Do you feel like you're getting a real sence of all these different shocks abilities riding these glorified footh paths. I don't want to seem like im dogging you as im a big fan of the channel and watch every video but it just seems like you're barely scratching the surface of these shocks capabilities thus giving a review where you're not pushing the shock to its potential on more challenging terrain. I heard you saying you're most comfortable on flowey blue trails but it just seems you're not targeting the majority of riders who will use these burley shocks on harder more DH/ Enduro type terrain. And please, don't take this as me insulting your abilities or your channel, you and the channel are awesome.
@@alexandrepopa4917 Whenever I question the performance of a shock or setup of it, I take it to a DH line, and the same goes true. So the simple flow line is enough for me to compare it. Sorry to hurt your Rockshox fan boy feelings, but brands like DVO, EXT, Fox do damping better. I didnt need to try it elsewhere. I am EXT fan boy that was worth trying somwhere else. Blue flow trails are the hardest on bikes, AKA bike park moon dust carpidly cyclcing the shock and linkage, is more rough on a bike that DH loamer. Granted a Rocky DH line is proably worse
C1 is the designation for the model generation, not the tune. The previous generation Vivids (imperial sized) were B1 and the model before that was A2. Your box shows the tune codes, R55 for rebound and C30 for compression.
I got the fox X2 2024 recently after your video yet to be fitted to new bike not had time still got the float X on it but cant get it set up to good, but still looking for a coil shock i have fix 38s so not sure with RS and fox but the ohlins is peaking my interest more cause of that eyelet end as you mentioned being thicker and im a heavier rider just parra with the dhx2
Yeah yeah.. for anybody coming in looking for tune information can now realize there are many Tunes available. You must suck to be you having to call everybody a whiner when they make a comment providing extra information that you left out.
I appreciate Your deep dives on the suspension, and there is no other content like that- it's very helpful and fun to watch:) Can You please help me make a decission for a coil? I'm thinking between the Vivid ultimate coil tuned for my Santa Cruz Nomad, and the EXT Storia V3 which I found on sale now. The cheapiest I found them is 520e with one coil for Vivid and 830e with 2 coils for EXT, so the price difference is significant but I'm ready to pay more if is is worth it. I'm an average in terms of weight and skills but I spend most of the time on more demanding black diamond trails often in bikeparks. I'm just curious what would be Your pick😊
It’s harder to get ext serviced. Something to be said when you have matching Zeb and vivid. It looks cool. The performance of the EXT is substantially better the true step up if setup right on EXT. Vivid is hard to setup wrong The bladder style EXT on another universe. Those are never on sale.
@@OtterMTBtech Thanks a lot! Seems like I'll stick to the Vivid this time. The V4 has fixed all the issues from the V3 (bladder, adjustment and noise) but it costs way more then I'd like to spend, and the Vivid with its features and ease of use and service seems like a reasonable offer, with a bit of weight panalty. Santa Cruz often mix brands, so as I have a Fox 38 upfront it doesn't matter for me to stick to one brand.
Do you know if the high speed compression dial should be able to be turned all the way around? I was able to change it from the one setting to the zero to five without going all the way around clockwise. I thought that was odd, but maybe I'm misremembering how their other shocks work
Jah jah jah vivid shmivid. Otter sport bike pants! 1 year review solid AF epic fit. The best riding upgrade you can find for 9 months out of the season. Cheers otter...
Some linear designs have some progression built in further in the stroke or like the VVP has a regressive curve to start with and then becomes progressive with a quick ramp up to the bottom end... It's not always black and white like Maestro etc
6:10 when you say "damping theory" are you saying that the shocks perform in a similar manner or that you can just adjust the coils settings to the zebb settings?
I have the jade x on my giant it's surprisingly good for this application at 185 psi with the 500 lbs LS spring. Just saying in case you have a "linear" design...
@@OtterMTBtech, do you mean that the uncompressed length of the EXT or Formula springs is too short so that it rattles when threaded all the way down? How much? I had this issue with an EXT spring on my Formula shock and used a 2mm thick 38mm ID/50mm OD PTFE washer which was enough. WPS makes 21mm and 30mm spring extenders as well.
@@OtterMTBtech , if you can find one, Nukeproof springs are light and come with a bunch of adapters and extenders. I have been using these to make things work. They are 38mm ID so would work. Formula springs are longer than EXT but similar weight.
$619. WHATS hella funny the new linear can is looking like the old progressive large can. It was impossible to get the right feeling from the old version
Sup Otter, I've watched several of your videos and I take your opinion seriously. I'm on the market for a coil shock for an Orbea Wild, as you mentioned on a previous video there are fitment issues on this frame. After learning from you I know I want good trail sensitivity so bladder and as much pop as possible. I'm not made out of money 🤣 so I'm looking at the first gen DVO jade or an used Ohlins TTX. What's your opinion or recommendations, thanks. Keep up the good work!
@@davidguzman8992 there is inherent amount of risk buying used. 90% of the shocks I rode here are used. As long as it’s not getting used Cane Creek you’re clear for take off. Despite the hater comments here saying I suck, which I do and only ride green loops, ( pounding blue flow trails are the most demanding terrain) I test ride the same trail over and over on every shocks the bladder will not give you the pop of an air shock, Unfortunately, I just read the reviews of the wild and it’s only 24 progressive in the rear and so you may run into problems with the DVO so we need at least a progressive spring. And it may not be enough to stop bottom out. Depending on your weight and how big you send. I would carefully select a used EXT shock with hydraulic bottom out, then ohlins. Vivid is getting good so it’s a good option because the HBO. It’s just a few milli second delay for the pop. Even the EXT is delayed when they used the IFP. That’s why they discontinued the IFP shocks. I didn’t get the Wild because Fitment, so all those shocks may not fit
@@OtterMTBtech Man don't worry about people's opinion. You know who's opinion matter to your community? Yours! BTW thanks for the quick reply. I found a killer deal on an Ohlins that was recently serviced with paperwork, I hope is true 🤣. Just need to find me a 450 EXT coil like you did on your video. Again, thank you bro and keep doing what you are doing 👍🏼
Do you feel like you're getting a real sence of all these different shocks abilities riding these glorified footh paths. I don't want to seem like im dogging you as im a big fan of the channel and watch every video but it just seems like you're barely scratching the surface of these shocks capabilities thus giving a review where you're not pushing the shock to its potential on more challenging terrain. I heard you saying you're most comfortable on flowey blue trails but it just seems you're not targeting the majority of riders who will use these burley shocks on harder more DH/ Enduro type terrain. And please, don't take this as me insulting your abilities or your channel, you and the channel are awesome.
Blue pounding flow trails are most demanding terrain. Had the same question in the back of my head.
@@OtterMTBtech wait how are blue flow trails more demanding than black dh type tracks, which most people are going to use these types of shocks for?
@@alexandrepopa4917 Whenever I question the performance of a shock or setup of it, I take it to a DH line, and the same goes true. So the simple flow line is enough for me to compare it. Sorry to hurt your Rockshox fan boy feelings, but brands like DVO, EXT, Fox do damping better. I didnt need to try it elsewhere. I am EXT fan boy that was worth trying somwhere else.
Blue flow trails are the hardest on bikes, AKA bike park moon dust carpidly cyclcing the shock and linkage, is more rough on a bike that DH loamer. Granted a Rocky DH line is proably worse
C1 is the designation for the model generation, not the tune. The previous generation Vivids (imperial sized) were B1 and the model before that was A2. Your box shows the tune codes, R55 for rebound and C30 for compression.
Thanks
"rock shox has been using DU bushings since the forties"
Could also be said about that hateful Motion Control adult toy thing... 😂
I got the fox X2 2024 recently after your video yet to be fitted to new bike not had time still got the float X on it but cant get it set up to good, but still looking for a coil shock i have fix 38s so not sure with RS and fox but the ohlins is peaking my interest more cause of that eyelet end as you mentioned being thicker and im a heavier rider just parra with the dhx2
What bike?
Yeah yeah.. for anybody coming in looking for tune information can now realize there are many Tunes available. You must suck to be you having to call everybody a whiner when they make a comment providing extra information that you left out.
✌🏿 dog. The tunes are even listed on the shocks for sale.
Best channel on here for the info
Any plans to review zeb's 3.1 damper?
I'm confused now which one to buy. Watched your both videos about RS coils. RS SDU coil RC2T 300euros, vivid coil 400 euros, both used.
Vivid is better, if you’re not picking super deluxe is fine
@@OtterMTBtech While thinking, vivid coil just went down to 400e new on BikeDiscount, so no more doubts, ordered. Thank you.
I appreciate Your deep dives on the suspension, and there is no other content like that- it's very helpful and fun to watch:)
Can You please help me make a decission for a coil? I'm thinking between the Vivid ultimate coil tuned for my Santa Cruz Nomad, and the EXT Storia V3 which I found on sale now. The cheapiest I found them is 520e with one coil for Vivid and 830e with 2 coils for EXT, so the price difference is significant but I'm ready to pay more if is is worth it. I'm an average in terms of weight and skills but I spend most of the time on more demanding black diamond trails often in bikeparks. I'm just curious what would be Your pick😊
It’s harder to get ext serviced. Something to be said when you have matching Zeb and vivid. It looks cool.
The performance of the EXT is substantially better the true step up if setup right on EXT.
Vivid is hard to setup wrong
The bladder style EXT on another universe. Those are never on sale.
@@OtterMTBtech Thanks a lot! Seems like I'll stick to the Vivid this time. The V4 has fixed all the issues from the V3 (bladder, adjustment and noise) but it costs way more then I'd like to spend, and the Vivid with its features and ease of use and service seems like a reasonable offer, with a bit of weight panalty. Santa Cruz often mix brands, so as I have a Fox 38 upfront it doesn't matter for me to stick to one brand.
F*ck it, just orderded the EXT V3 on sale, it's a toy so why not😂 cheers!
Prepare to be ruined for life. All suspension below it will feel like peasant tears
Do you know if the high speed compression dial should be able to be turned all the way around? I was able to change it from the one setting to the zero to five without going all the way around clockwise. I thought that was odd, but maybe I'm misremembering how their other shocks work
Jah jah jah vivid shmivid. Otter sport bike pants! 1 year review solid AF epic fit. The best riding upgrade you can find for 9 months out of the season. Cheers otter...
F yeah 👍👍👍 and what is progressive bike, examples?
Rocky Mountain, Intense, not really a bike guy, lots more
Some linear designs have some progression built in further in the stroke or like the VVP has a regressive curve to start with and then becomes progressive with a quick ramp up to the bottom end...
It's not always black and white like Maestro etc
@@LaurentiusTriarius maestro is a bad ass suspension platform. I couldn’t find one so I got a Rocky Mountain. I’ll be slurping on the maple syrup.
The touchdown tech is not in the res, its the piston and damper body
The piggy back changed, Thanks for the update.
What hase changed in the peggy back?
Piggy*
On my super deluxe the rebound adjuster snapped off. 😢
Vivid Coil Ultimate Tunes:
Rebound tune R23, R25, R55, R85
Compression tune C26, C30, C34, C37, C43
Lockout force X0, X2, X4
I said the shock is good so no need to wine about the wrong tune on this one 😎
6:10 when you say "damping theory" are you saying that the shocks perform in a similar manner or that you can just adjust the coils settings to the zebb settings?
Not entirely and it may be placebo, however I always find it to be easy match.
What do you think is the best coil shock?
Ext, ohlins, Dvo, push vivid, suntour, fox currently in that order, the top 3 use bladders
I have the jade x on my giant it's surprisingly good for this application at 185 psi with the 500 lbs LS spring. Just saying in case you have a "linear" design...
@@OtterMTBtech my favorite is ohlins
EXT and Formula springs fit (38mm ID).
Do you know what spacer, the stubby spring don’t fit
@@OtterMTBtech, do you mean that the uncompressed length of the EXT or Formula springs is too short so that it rattles when threaded all the way down? How much?
I had this issue with an EXT spring on my Formula shock and used a 2mm thick 38mm ID/50mm OD PTFE washer which was enough. WPS makes 21mm and 30mm spring extenders as well.
@@pauls1128 yeah you need the extender it wouldn’t thread on and then it needs to be the right inner outer diameter is complete nightmare
@@OtterMTBtech , if you can find one, Nukeproof springs are light and come with a bunch of adapters and extenders. I have been using these to make things work. They are 38mm ID so would work.
Formula springs are longer than EXT but similar weight.
hi, do you generally set up shocks with 30% SAG even on less progressive linkages?
30 pretty much every shock, haven’t played to much with shocks.
Forks is where it needs the most attention I felt like . Zeb 20% fox 38 15
another great video....thanks for posting
taiwan and china are not the same
Free china
@@OtterMTBtech west Taiwan
Would love to hear your thoughts on the super deluxe c2 version
$619. WHATS hella funny the new linear can is looking like the old progressive large can. It was impossible to get the right feeling from the old version
Ok get my super deluxe ultimate coil serviced for the first time, or buy this?
Ride the SD tell it blows then buy a vivid. Service $200. It’s worth $less than $300
It's rockshox. Not rockshock lol
Sup Otter, I've watched several of your videos and I take your opinion seriously. I'm on the market for a coil shock for an Orbea Wild, as you mentioned on a previous video there are fitment issues on this frame. After learning from you I know I want good trail sensitivity so bladder and as much pop as possible. I'm not made out of money 🤣 so I'm looking at the first gen DVO jade or an used Ohlins TTX. What's your opinion or recommendations, thanks. Keep up the good work!
@@davidguzman8992 there is inherent amount of risk buying used. 90% of the shocks I rode here are used. As long as it’s not getting used Cane Creek you’re clear for take off.
Despite the hater comments here saying I suck, which I do and only ride green loops, ( pounding blue flow trails are the most demanding terrain) I test ride the same trail over and over on every shocks the bladder will not give you the pop of an air shock,
Unfortunately, I just read the reviews of the wild and it’s only 24 progressive in the rear and so you may run into problems with the DVO so we need at least a progressive spring. And it may not be enough to stop bottom out. Depending on your weight and how big you send.
I would carefully select a used EXT shock with hydraulic bottom out, then ohlins. Vivid is getting good so it’s a good option because the HBO. It’s just a few milli second delay for the pop. Even the EXT is delayed when they used the IFP. That’s why they discontinued the IFP shocks.
I didn’t get the Wild because Fitment, so all those shocks may not fit
@@OtterMTBtech Man don't worry about people's opinion. You know who's opinion matter to your community? Yours! BTW thanks for the quick reply. I found a killer deal on an Ohlins that was recently serviced with paperwork, I hope is true 🤣. Just need to find me a 450 EXT coil like you did on your video. Again, thank you bro and keep doing what you are doing 👍🏼
...riding on gravel
What do you think of the Vivid air?
It was good, I was just on the upper weight limit
Vivid Coil VS EXT Storia?
No contest bro. Kia vs Ferrari
@@OtterMTBtech sounds like I made the right choice. My V4 storia should be here in 3 weeks. Did you order one as well?
@@kaijuoncrack6198 no I had to buy a new bike.
@@OtterMTBtech most financially responsible mountain biker 🤣