Here is what is weird about this adaptation to me. Them supposedly not thinking you can show a evil mastermind and have audiences sympathetic to them. Both Disney and Branagh should know better because of one of Branaghs previous films.... THOR. Ya know, the movie that introduced the world to LOKI? Branagh literally directed the movie with a villainous character who was so sympathetic and liked he stole the entire goddamn franchise and is now having his own series on Disney Plus and he doesn't think he can do what's basically a kid version of it?
Realistically? Probably never. We got lucky with the HP movies series, and the Hunger Games movie quartet. I don't foresee any studio staying as true to the source material as they should at any time. (Should I include the LotR/ Hobbit movies in the 'we got lucky' category? I couldn't get even get through the first two chapters of the trilogy, and I've not seen the Hobbit movies.)
I tried so hard to watch this with an open mind. So hard. I literally couldn't make it 5 minutes and the surfing was the kicker. I don't know if the rest of the movie was good but I refused to sit by and watch them completely shit on the entire concept of the character.
...as a side project whilst he was also developing ways of further monetising his contact with the fairy world without actually revealing it; running hedge funds invested in various international markets; pioneering a form of A.I. that is on the brink of revolutionising brain surgery; researching the viability of having a personal low-orbit comms network in the sky, and transcribing some Mozart in his spare time, for fun.
@@undertakernumberone1 Disney's long overdue a lawsuit. Remember that woman who confirmed they've been fudging numbers for years? She's mysteriously disappeared.
Book Artemis would probably arrange for a Mind Wipe, and set Movie Artemis up to live the rest of his life in a beach in Australia teaching people how to surf. Artemis might be a conniving crook, but he's not evil, at least not maliciously evil.
Oof, ya... At least for Jake and the Neverland Pirates they had the excuse of the show being aimed towards a very young audience and that the main cast saying this were original characters. Here though, there's no bloody excuse
"...they legally buy the Intellectual Property RIGHTS, take a long slow satisfying shit on them, then blame everyone else for not liking the shit-coated product."
@@Longingtobesomeone Often pirates wouldn't have to kill the crew of the ship you're raiding. The smart ones flew false flags (where we get the term from now) and did a bunch of other stuff to make themselves seem like a slow merchant ship. Get close, drop the pretence and raise the black flag, and often enough that was enough to scare the other ship into surrender - better to hand over your stuff and live than get into a fight, where you either win but a lot of you are dead/maimed, or lose and everyone dies/is maimed and you lose all the stuff anyway. And if the captain does give the order to fight, the crew very well could mutiny, and let the pirates aboard. This usually ended in the captain being executed and the crew left be while the pirates made off with the spoils. This possibility weighed on the captains mind making resistance even less likely. All in all, it worked out for the pirates - because now you can steal all their shit without risking dying. However, this means the owners are still alive... but I suppose this could be seen as extortion rather than theft?
Disney Artemis: “Boy I love friendship! I love being happy and I can’t wait to make new friends with the elves!” Original Artemis: “Hippity hoppity, your officer’s life for your property.”
Artemis Fowl in the film: “we can succeed through the power of friendship!” Artemis Fowl in the novel: “I’d sell your soul to Satan for a couple bucks.”
@Emperor Ssraeshza You absolutely should at least try them. Book!Artemis is a fantastic character. Physically frail while highly intelligent. He's a villain protagonist, at least in the first few books.
"Butler doesn't like being called a butler" Doesn't the book literally specify that Butlers have been serving Fowls for so long some scientists believe the word "Butler" originated from their family name? How would Butler not liking being addressed as a word literally derived from his surname even work?
Probably since there had been a long tradition of slaves as butlers, so no amount of polishing would have prevented this from being awkward. They were still pretty content making Juliet a little "servant girl" with no other role than that.
"Call him Dom" BUTLERS NAME IS BUTLER, HE TELLS ARTEMIS TO CALL HIM DOMOVOI BECAUSE HE THINKS HES GONNA DIE ITS THE BIGGEST GUT PUNCH IN THE SERIES NEXT TO ROOT [REDACTED].
I know right? How did they mess that up? Its a whole joke that the term 'butler' meaning close servant might have come from the Butler family and they fuck it up and call him Dom all the bloody time. Like...how little attention were you paying?
'But call him the butler and he'll snap you in half' Artemis literally calls him a butler in the first chapter of the first book. And yes, Butler wouldn't hurt his charge, but if he was in any way uncomfortable with the term, Artemis would not be using it.
Loki isn't a kid. It's more about not showing kids in villain roles. Why you ask? Because they're afraid that kids would want to become criminals if their hero is one.. It's stupid because no kid reading the books became a criminal mastermind because of it. Also, in Robocop 2 they showed a young 12 year old boy killing people and taking drugs.
@Paulina Kuch It's really the proof that other than MCU and Star Wars stuff, current Disney doesn't care about their own movies which is sad because I don't want kids in current day or in future to know and remembered Disney because of current Star Wars and MCU movies.
Not to mention the environmental message. I wish they gave us the Whaler scene, everyone likes explosions! Oh wait that would mean Artemis would have to be a villain.
It isn't trying to be diverse, it's trying to be shakespearian One day there'll be a movie with like 5 actors, one jolly funny chubby one, one black actor and no girls. Cause shakespeare!
Couple of adaptations did that lately in my opinion. Like the book had X on page, the show/movie went and replaced it by something very ambiguous that could be confirmed or denied depending on which view gets the majority. wth
@@Apesrock12 when the movie got pushed back for edits I thought that disney had realised they cut out too much of the (admittedly in the books sometimes anvilicious) environmentalism
By the time they'd got to Artemis "allergic to exercise" Fowl on a surfboard I knew my childhood being murdered was the biggest crime the movie was going to have.
And another aspect of him being an atypical teen is that he prefers formalwear. At the start of the fourth book he and Butler go undercover as father and bratty teenage son, and one of the first things Artemis thinks upon departing is that he can’t wait to get out of the t-shirt and jeans and back into the suit. He would never recreationally go for a wetsuit.
I almost laughed when he said Artemis fighting. The one time he got remotely close to a combat situation in that book was Holly giving him a rather cathartic punch to the face.
@@Pseud0nymTXT Yeah exactly! I liked how Colfer made his characters have flaws so that when they were faced with them it was a genuinely nailbiting moment.
Artemis Fowl writers: "Fowl as a villain, with complex morality? Could my personal ideas and innovations be wrong? Could I be out of touch? No... it's the readers that are wrong."
@@anna-flora999 Technically they wrote an AU that was greenlit by Disney for some reason. I don't know if that's more or less work than just sticking to the damn books.
So Artemis’ twin brothers are effectively erased from existence...I feel like I should be surprised that the people responsible for this clearly only skimmed far ahead enough to introduce a non-Artemis villain and learn Butler’s full name instead of READING the entire series and realizing that not only were there characters and plot elements that haven’t been and SHOULDN’T be introduced yet, but now there are characters and plot elements that CANNOT be introduced anymore thanks to their actions. *sigh* It’s gonna be a long time before we get direct answers for this fiasco as well as a better shot at a good film adaption.
Actual quote from Branagh about his decision to change Artemis' character: "It was a decision based on a sort of inverse take on what I saw in the books, which was Eoin introducing Artemis gathering a sense of morality across the books. He said that he had him performed as an 11-year-old Bond villain. It seemed to me that for the audiences who were not familiar with the books, this would be a hard, a hard kind of thing to accept." A HARD THING TO ACCEPT? SERIOUSLY? WHY DID HE EVEN SIGN ON TO MAKE THE FREAKING MOVIE, TO BEGIN WITH?
Like wasn't the fact that the protagonist is a child and a criminal mastermind kinda the whole freaking draw to the first book? I mean I sure as hell got it because of that. Way to hold your audience for uwu idiots who can't handle the slightest moral ambiguety.
@@helenakri7282 Yeah, that was the main draw for me here. All Artemis books at their hearts are like heist stories with a clever twist (sometimes a twist like they did in films like Oceans' 11 and ilk) and the protagonist is the one pulling it all off. It's basically Oceans' 11/the Sting/Hustle (the tv series) with fairies. But they made it shit.
If we ever find out that he only did the movie because he lost a bet or something I would totally believe it. He seemed like he wanted nothing to do with the source material and I doubt he read even a full chapter of the first book. Hell, I doubt he even read the graphic novel adaptation of the first book.
The implication of Butler’s casting makes me uncomfortable. The Butler family has been serving the Fowls for centuries, and if said ancestors were of African descent, then the implication seems to be that the Fowls had a slave that they chose to keep in their service along with their descendants when slavery was abolished and that Artemis is somehow fine with this. I really wish they’d given this some thought when choosing the cast. Insofar as representation goes, Holly was right there for a book-accurate dark-skinned character that they made white for no reason.
vbarreiro plus there’s other races. Butler is supposed to be half Asian. Make him Asian! Root is supposed to be red. Cast a white person and make them flushed. Foley is the tec guy DO NOT CAST AN INDIAN MAN TO PLAY THE TEC SUPPORT YOU RACIST BASTARDS
vbarreiro ikr! plus there’s other races. Butler is supposed to be half Asian. Make him Asian! Root is supposed to be red. Cast a white person and make them flushed. Foley is the tec guy DO NOT CAST AN INDIAN MAN TO PLAY THE TEC SUPPORT YOU RACIST BASTARDS
@@GeeklingNo1 Root is not supposed to be "Red". He is supposed to be in a constant state of "Pissed off" and therefore having a reddish face due to the blood being pumped into the face. About Foley: Don't cast a handsome guy for him... he was described as a bit paunchy, and is basically a bit of a stereotypical nerd. Tbh, going with Sheldon or Leonard from Big Bang theory in Style would work. With adjustements.
@@undertakernumberone1 You could also go the opposite route, like in the manga where they make him a super pale stick person. Playing up the Vampire like aspects the book described him as having.
Calling him Dom which undermines an important character moment from later, having him do absolutely nothing and just telling us he's supposed to be the badass he is in the books, not including the scene where he suits up in plate armour and beats the shit out of that troll with a mace...
I liked the actor that played him, and even though I don't think he was a great fit for the role I still would have been ok with it (honestly it's one of the least upsetting changes)--but they destroyed the character so bad in this movie.
Artemis did absolutely nothing himself in this movie. It's so cool in the books how Butler just follows his orders even tho he doesn't understand them at all. And then here Butler is just telling him everything he needs to know like why movie🙃🙃🙃
It came off to me that Artemis knew it was there but needed a dwarf to unlock it. Because he was for some reason unable to open the safe himself. Though I may be giving it more credit than it deserves. 🤷
Because of his seriousness, wealth and intelligence Artemis was sometimes compared to an evil Batman. (I myself made that comparrision sometimes too.) I guess, Disney heard that, overheard the "evil" part and did not research on "why" they got compared...
Disney and/or the director want to show how progressive they are by changing the commander from a man to a woman, but by doing so they take away Holly's (a female) determination to rise above a patriarchal society to become the first female officer. They want to show how accepting they are of black people by changing the Russian/Japanese martial artist Butler into a black man, yet by doing so put the black man in a servant hood position. They want to show that they are connected with the modern family by making a popular kids book into a movie, yet fail to add anything that made the book successful, fail to show a seemingly bad person's story arc, and fail to simply tell the story for the story's sake rather than attempt to start a franchise. ... why are we still supporting Disney?
The only thing made by Disney that's actually worth something is their animation department. Disney didn't create the MCU, or the original Star Wars trilogy. They simply have the rights to them now.
it's funny because if they wanted to start a franchise the best thing they could have done is just... tell the story the way it appears in the book, because that story is naturally built off of in the following books.
Didn't read the books or watched the movie, but as an ATLA fan I like to rage with other victims, so I watched Dominic's video. All the things above are facepalm-worthy, but personally as a woman, the first thing in particular pisses me off. When I was younger, the problem of glass ceilings/patriarchy in certain professions was barely addressed in any media, it would have been so cool to give girls awareness of the issue (which still exists) through a popular movie - of course you can also show women in power positions, but the struggle to get there also needs to be portrayed. But no, let's make it instead a "I need to redeem my family's name" type of thing, which has NEVER been done before.
@@Ariel_emerald Exactly! If they had actually taken advantage of what they had access too, they could have made a good modern fantasy thriller. Instead, we get... this.
Disney: "Audiences, especially children, will never like or identify with a character who's a criminal with a heart of gold." Also Disney: "One of our biggest breakout characters of the last twenty years is a drunken, thieving, whoremongering, gun-happy pirate. He literally opened his last movie by robbing a bank." Also Disney, Too: "Let's have a Villains After Dark event at the theme parks! In addition to their walk-around characters, prime hosting spots during Halloween events/parades, and Villain-centered stores!"
Taiya001 i wouldn’t say Artemis suffers from psychopathy or sociopathy, rather his incredibly high intellect, his family, and his young age makes him think he is better than everyone else. So in the first book, he’s greedy and selfish but there are hints that he’s not completely irredeemable. That’s one of the best part of the series, seeing Artemis grow from this arrogant criminal mastermind to someone who genuinely wants to help people
There was a whole thing in the books about how Butler's somewhat generic and racially ambiguous looks made him blend in easily in any and every crowd, so why they decided to make him look how he does in the movie is just...strange. And the only thing Holly in the movie shares with book!Holly is a name. They did my man Artemis dirty. Loved those books in middle school.
I'm starting to build a theory that the filmmakers took the idea of Butler being racially ambiguous and twisted it into "has features from different ethnicities". Which is why he's a black man with pale hair and blue eyes, features usually associated with white europeans. Which also misses the mark, because he's specifically described as 'Eurasian' in the books, but oh well. Much as I hate to parrot what so many other people are saying, it wouldn't be so big of a deal if they didn't also whitewash Holly.
Anthony J. Crowley how do hide something from a lot of people that so big that it could change everything they ever knew well as a smiling clown said before hide it right under there noes he decided to because he couldn’t save the world by telling the truth so he just did the same as his dad
Writer: So in the books Artemis' mom suffers from psychosis due to the dad having died but for this movie I decided the dad has been kidnapped and the mom is dead. Disney Executive: Oh dead moms are tight. Writer: I know what company I'm writing for.
And it's honestly a bit weird that the Butlers, their entire family identity being serving their masters, are now black. Like, the Fowls kind of own a family of black people?
@@Powersd451 Say that to a Disney executive and watch them pull at their shirt collars uncomfortably. George Lucas outright called them "white slavers".
@@Powersd451 i honestly think they added the he doesnt want to be called a butler because of that... which honestly is solving an issue that needed no solving
@@Powersd451 also in the second book the butlers are described as a mix of caucasian and asian. sooo i really don't get why Disney tried to make the fowls look like slave owners
After how much petty nerd rage I've witnessed over the years, I forgot that there actually is good reason for people to be upset over something they're emotionally attached to. This video reminded me of that.
I've never gotten why when a studio buys the rights to a wildly popular book they sometimes change it beyond recognition. A well selling book is as screen-tested as something is going to get! Just. Make. The. Book. Move.
While that doesn't work all the time, for books like these (preteen-teen fiction) it DEFINITELY has been proven time and time again that it works better when you just follow the book
In all honesty,I believe there was no way to fix the movie from the start.Even if they pulled a sonic movie where the trailer was shit and they fixed it,it would be impossible and they would have to continue being in development hell again.The movie just should have been straight up cancelled from the start.
His deal with Holly is the first step where you see there's something he wants more than money - his family back (which is how he diminished the family fortune in the first place - not believing that his father was dead and sinking money into the search).
Its a defining moment of his character in the books. After all the subtle hints that theres something more to him than a lust for wealth and power he gives in and trades half a ton of gold for his mothers restoration to health. And the movie just throws it out...Like, how little do you care about the books to do that?
Wait, they called Butler by his first name? Isn’t that one of his most closely guarded secrets? I haven’t read the books for ages, but I remember that thing at least
YUP. I legit RAGED when they did this. They made his character African American. Then, so as to not seem 'racist' they use his real name. Fucking seriously?
Y’a it’s a point that Artemis will only refer to Butler by his first name when things have gone horribly wrong. Like his sister gets a look of “oh $hit” when she hears his first name. It doesn’t make sense that this massive clue to the severity of the scenario was just used to refer to the character
@@crkinjiraretaai not to be that guy but the character is meant to be Irish so he'd be an Irish black person, not African-American (he also wouldn't be black Irish as that is an ethnic group of white Irish people with black hair and Mediterranean features likely descended from Spanish sailors that crashed in Ireland following the storm that wiped out the Spanish Armada). It's only Americans that insist on referring to a whole ethnic group by the name of a continent that very few of them have lived in or have ever known for the past 150 years.
There's a random thought. Anyone else have a copy of the eighth book that shows him holding a sword in the cover art?... Where the hell was that sword?
I Lost it when Artemis turns to the captive Holly, says "can i trust you?" and immediately rips off his anti mind control shades and lets her out of the cage he had been taunting her in minutes earlier. Then i realized that this sudden character swing was supposed to have been from the earlier scene where Artemis found out that Holly missed her dad to. Someone watched Batman Vs Superman and thought the Martha twist was a much better plotline than Holly outfoxing the protagonists and escaping only to return and help save Juliet from the troll because shes a good person.
@Turd Ferguson To be fair, I didn't know their mothers had the same name. I also thought it was an actual joke. I laughed at that line in the middle of a theater. And then the idiot who wrote the "Martha!" line went on to cowrite Rise of Skywalker, so I guess who's really laughing now?
@@vsGoliath96 I mean all the crap that "Martha!" bit got never made since to me. It made sense the entire movie Batman had been seeing Superman as this alien who was this terrible threat with nothing to check him. Then when he's working himself up to end this threat he finds this humanizing connection between them that Clark is also a son with a mom that he loves just like Bruce.
im just having flashbacks to when the actor list came out and it asked for an actor with a “sunny disposition” for the lead... we knew it’d be downhill
Artemis also showed his intelligence in spiking the Hu Chi Min City fairy’s alcohol with a bit of holy water. This was basically how he got access to her book
@@Grim_Sister that was kind of disturbing; it was really good character building to show how ruthless and dangerous he was, but also that while Artemis is totally okay with threatening people, he has no interest in causing harm for it's own sake
Ellen Boldt ruthless, yes. But you have to remember, the shot he gave her was also supposed to help her heal the alcohol damage (along with a drug to make this particular memory fuzzy). It was a brilliant move: spike the booze, lay the deal and sweeten it a bit, and then give her what she wants with a little extra. Fair? No. Devious? Yes. Strategically brilliant? Most definitely
@@butterknife1066 Artemis wasn't cruel for cruelty's sake, but he was determined, cunning, ruthless, and had a sadistic streak. It's mentioned that he enjoyed winding his teachers and therapists up whenever they tried to pry and the entire plot of the first book is him kidnapping an innocent in order to ransom her off. Artemis's dubious morality was one of the most interesting parts of the book.
"I said 'Artemis wouldn't surf, it's not his thing.' Disney said 'look, we need him to appeal to as many people as possible just to get this movie seen." -Actual quote from the book's author. This film is one of the most shocking misfires of heavy-handed, harebrained executive meddling I have ever seen. The fundamental emotional and moral core of the story is missing. The heart of Artemis Fowl is that Holly mesmerizes Juliet to escape, and as a result Butler is mortally wounded protecting her from the troll. Holly then heals Butler. In turn, Artemis gives back half the gold to Holly in exchange for her healing his mother's mysterious ailment. This is very significant. Holly demonstrates kindness towards the people who kidnapped her, and Artemis demonstrates that he doesn't really care about the gold itself. One of the most bleak moments in the novel is when Holly reluctantly agrees to allow the LEP forces to blue rinse the manor, killing everyone inside. She doesn't want to let it happen. But Artemis has a plan. He manages to escape the blue rinse weapon, and while Holly isn't his friend, she is very glad that they all escaped. There is so much that could be drawn from this emotionally and morally. Holly doesn't like Artemis, but she respects him. And at the end of the film, we see the future before them and know their paths will cross again. It's good stuff. The movie destroys this. And I can't fathom why. This movie was butchered in post-production. Flayed alive and put back together with paper glue. But I don't know if there's any cut of this movie that understood the fundamental moral heart of the story. The emotional core. There's a very good chance a cut exists where Artemis's mother is alive, for instance. But does Artemis bargain for his mother's health with Holly in that cut, the moment that reveals the humanity behind the criminal mastermind facade? We don't know. Could this movie be fixed in some belated Highland 2: Renegade Cut-style affair? I don't know. But I cannot understand why Disney completely misunderstood the fanbase of this property and its appeal to wider audiences. We've got plenty of evidence that scenes all throughout this movie were ripped apart and put back together again with worse dialogue, worse editing, and a shitty McGuffin plot that completely undermines the core thrust of the original story. Quite frankly, if this movie was blessed with a "We're sorry" director's cut, they could salvage a few things by adding in a scene or two where Artemis Sr talks to someone like Holly or someone like Holly's father. There are certain messages about honour and making difficulty choices that could have been patched in via Artemis Sr scenes. Get rid of the shitty framing device. Redo the shitty Opal scenes. The dialogue in the Opal scenes is waaaaaay off the mark for that character. That could be redone. After all, literally none of the Opal dialogue in the trailers is in the movie. So they've already rewritten it and made it worse already. This film is a morbid dumpster fire. But there is... something there. I think a film that isn't a total disaster could be salvaged from the ashes, freed from the insane rewrites the studio likely imposed.
I have a difficult time arguing with you on this. I see where you're coming from with that. I also do understand why some of the changes were made. Yes, the core element is with his mother, but that also is a very uncomfortable scenario to film altogether. She was very much on the deep end. The dummy part still haunts me... But it does still showcase that Arty has some heart there, and in the books he does change dramatically whenever his family is even mentioned. This side of Artemis was exposed, and he did prove how intelligent he was. (Personally, I find that cracking the entire language in less than two days versus four months is way more impressive) All in all, I do agree they should at least release a version including the deleted scenes, but a few reshoots would be expensive at this stage. Who knows? Maybe they will, because they did show they do care about it. All the Easter Eggs, the character portrayals in the subtle details (Mulch having a 'gravelly' voice, Root sounding like she was forced to quit cigars and cursing at the same time, as two examples), and such gave me that impression. Nevertheless, yes there is a lot changed here. And because of that, it's too much for many to bear. I take what I'm given, but I still have hope Disney will mend this somehow to appeal better. Otherwise, they're setting up for failure in all Realms but the MCU...
They killed off his mother?? I'm genuinely shocked, she's a real important morality chain for him in the first book. I guess she's not an important character on her own, but.. damn.
I hate that because she is such an important part of the end of the first book, when Artemis is finally able to put his plans on the back burner and see that he actually has a family who cares about him, and he cares about her. And then they embrace. Such a powerful moment, especially as she's been rather crazy with depression throughout the book, making a fake dad out of pillows and pretending it's him.
Yeah... Angeline's delusions and Artemis' reactions to her and his love for her were a key point of the first book and one of the strongest aspects to make us empathize with ActuallyACriminal!Artemis. But then, they decided they didn't need the core premise of Artemis anyway so I guess she wasn't necessary. Also, for more long reaching consequences that this film was never going to get to: No Miles and Beckett.
I do suggest people watch that deleted scene with the drunk fairy, though. Ironically it's the best (cut) scene of the entire film--and partially because at least it has SOME grit, at least it VAGUELY tries to be like the books.
Ok We’re not going to talk about how Juliet is supposed to be 16-17 years old not 12 and that she’s not Butler’s niece. Nor the fact that Butler’s first name is supposed to be a secret, Hell Artemis doesn’t even learn it til Eternity code and that’s only because Of what happened in the book. I must have missed the part where they say Mrs. Fowl is dead but the lack of her presence made me rage.
@@Shtoops And in the grand scheme of things, I normally wouldn't consider it a big deal, but the book makes mention of Butler's very specific appearance over and over! I'm pretty sure it's actually like a semi-important plot point that Butler can easily pass as Russian. I just don't think I've ever seen such a blatant act of diversity quota filling.
Maybe butler hates being called a butler because they didn't want to feature a black men who's comfortable with and dedicated to a position of servitude, in the source material his family has a heritage of serving the fowls and his family name is how we got the word "butler".could they have fixed it by making butler and juliet white like they were in the source material? yes could they have still make the movie diverse by making holly a woc like she was in the source material? yes why didn't they do it? I don't know, somehow they managed to make diversity bad.
@Olivier Dubreuil-Gagnon butler was described as being possibly mistaken for a chinese so he must have some serious asian blood in him for that to happen and while i have not been down there myself i doubt someone from bosnia to be mistaken for a chinese
@@Coolbond2 Well depending on the region, some ethnic groups in Eurasia do have similar features to peoples of central Asia, like Mongolians and Han Chinese. That doesn't necessarily include most people in Bosnia, because most of them may not be descended from more Asian-looking ethnic groups.
Epilogue: *And so the Artemis Fowl fans were forced to wait another ten years for a proper adaptation of their story to be announced, this time via a TV series, because this was yet another instance where a movie just wouldn't work when adapting these books. But never fear, for the Avatar: The Last Airbender and Percy Jackson fans were here to provide comfort and support.*
You forgot Tolkien's fans. We who suffer endlessly...for the art of our beloved author was rewritten by morons all for the sake of an insipid, unnatural romance that makes bad fanfiction pairings look like Romeo and Juliet. We're here for you. We suffer together. One sorrow to rule them all.
I'm just imagining Artemis surrounded by the protagonists of Percy Jackson, Avatar the last airbender, Eragon etc, all with their hands on his shoulder in solidarity with the newest member of the shitty adaptation club.
@@silversiren7046 I so wish P Jackson could have got more time to do things properly. From what I understand he had to do everything with no storyboards, and no planning. Such missed potential...
But that simply isn't the case -- Artemis Fowl *shouldn't* need a TV show. Eragon, ATLA, Percy Jackson, etc. were epic stories that were always going to need to drop things in adaptation. But this? This was the most cinematic book I've ever read! It's a concise, narrowly scoped plot in which 80% of the action happens in a single night, and 90% happens in a single location. You could literally put *everything* in the book into a movie, and it wouldn't be overly long -- and it would be pretty cheap, too. Plus, it's already paced like a movie -- that's why it's so easy to read the book in a single sitting. The reason this fandom has been so much more vocal about its desire for a movie than many others is that this movie should have been an effortless slam dunk. I'd say it writes itself, but it doesn't even need to -- it's *already written.*
My problems with the movie: 1. Commander Root is not Commander "Julius" Root 2. Butler is called by his first name, despite it being against the rules for him to reveal his first name 3. Butler's sister is now his niece 4.Artemis Fowl's mother is gone 5. Artemis Fowl Sr. is captured by Opal Koboi instead of the Russian Mafia, and he knows about the fairies 6. Artemis Fowl is said to be a genius but the movie does not show it 7. Artemis Fowl is extremely childish(in the books he was very adult-like and many people were scared of him) 8. Artemis Fowl does not learn to read Gnomish 9. Artemis Fowl does not escape the time stop, and the bio-bomb is never used 10. They just took the characters, changed them so they are almost unrecognizable, and make a completely different story. Fanfiction writers are better at storytelling
@@Ramsey276one If you're not familiar with the book, when the LEP locate the Fowl estate, the lock in a time barrier to keep in night, because the fairy folk are much stronger at night. It also functions an area for them to set off the Blue Rinse, a bio-weapon that disintegrates all living matter in the blast radius, which they planned to use on Artemis when they were forced to pay the ransom he demanded, or if they couldn't get Holly out of the manor, to ensure no one would know about the fairies. If you don't much care for spoilers, I can explain how Artemis gets out of that if you want.
@@endlessmisery15 that was one of the coolest part of the books, as it showed artemis using his genius and deduction to escape the LEP. His genius was his main character trait in the books, and they take it away.
@@alexturlais8558 Well, they seemed to be hellbent on removing it from the canon in this film. Killed off Angeline Fowl, made Artemis the good guy. Disney like to do a "tell, don't show" approach with Artemis' genius as well. "He's a genius!" "OK. How?" "Because."
Disney movie management must have so many layers, information gets the 'party game' treatment - by the time either the top or bottom get their instructions/status reports, it doesn't even closely resemble what was originally said.
OH NO THEY KNOW OUR SECRET! The seductive power of A.I. was too great, ever since the current C.E.O. saw his kid watching procedurally-generated finger family videos and thought "this... this is THE FUTURE!"
So, positives: They hired good actors? Negatives: *literally everything including the positives,* because it sucks to see good actors associated with a bad production? Accurate summary, or did I miss something?
To quote Nostalgia Critic, "the only bigger insult than having a bad actor in a bad film is having a good actor in a bad film." Also my dad thinks Kenneth Branagh's an arrogant wanker. He's completely wrong about Donald Trump being an idiot - say what you will about the man's politics and methods but anybody who calls him stupid is either ignorant or downright idiotic - but he's right about Branagh. Actually you can see Branagh's overinflated ego when he hires legends like Judi Dench, Johnny Depp, Michelle Pfeiffer and Derek Jacobi for Murder on the Orient Express. To Branagh's credit, that's actually a pretty good movie but he insisted on making it all about him.
Believe it or not, i could see from the Trailer alone that this would be Last Airbender Levels of Failure. And i also didnt not tell people, but no, you all had to go and watch it, at least make some money for the creators of this disgrace, had you? Had you? People, we need to stop letting such things go though, we need to make all the companys and whatnot understand this is not ok. Doctor Who or Pokemon or whatever, WE NEED QUALITY.
@@slevinchannel7589 well, luckily they didn't release it in theaters, so they did not earn any money from it. I seriously doubt anyone paid for Disney + just to see this garbage movie, the people who watched it most likely either watched it for free or already had an account. The teaser was decent, there it seemed like they would stay kinda close to the book at leased, and that coupled with how Eoin had been talking positively about it, it did look kinda promising. That seriously changed when the real trailer dropped though. The biggest part was the fact that he seemed to be doing it to save his father, completely messing up the whole motivation of the character. Even so, as Dom said in his video about the trailer and predictions, people were still not 100% sure it would be as bad as the trailer made it out to be. I on the other hand was just hoping it would not be worse than Percy Jackson or Eragon. However, I could not have dreamed it would be this bad. I wholeheartedly agree we need more quality adaptations, and I have hopes in the Percy Jackson TV show in development right now. It will however probably be several years until that is ready to be released.
Disney are scam artists who destroy everything they touch. They buy IPs and then cash them out like the above comment explains. Why don't they do it justice? 1. Then how could they fit in their political propaganda. 2. That takes effort and planning (see lotr trilogy)
@@kyleledermann2473 I'm not saying politics has no role in movie casting (it obviously has) But I don't see how this movie is pushing any agenda? Tbh it just feels like they went out of their way to make every character not as described in the book
And then Eoin Colfer all like "no guys, it's an adaptation of the first book, it's fine, don't worry!" Like bruh, stop trying to defend this piece of trash. You should be ashamed of thinking this was good. They destroyed every good piece of your story.
@@HarleysCompass Either he's signed some contract meaning he's got to promote the film or it's just really heavy denial from seeing his books torn apart. Or both.
I've been saying since I watched it that it feels like a big F you to the fandom. Like they gave us a multimillion-dollar middle finger instead of a birthday present.
I agree. I personally hated him, but I wholeheartedly blame the casting director for choosing him in the first place, and the writing for everything else. Kid did the best with the garbage he was given. Hope he gets some better roles soon.
I thought the kid did his best work in the opening scenes that they cut out of the picture. I liked Lara as Holly Short in the film. In her reading from the book, you can see that she has a much better grasp of the book's characters than the writers and director of this movie. I wonder if she might some day become a director providing her career is not tarnished by the disgruntled critics.
Reminds me of the poor kid who played that one tyrant child king in GoT. Apparently he vanished off the face of the earth because he got so many death threats over his role.
To quote the Wizard of Oz in Wicked, "the most celebrated are the rehabilitated." Who doesn't love a good redemption arc? Disney needs to remember that kids aren't idiots.
@@noble_hermit2133 Eragon "works" as a movie. A D-Movie. Everything was so so bad. It was this kind of Fantasy Movie that is done by TV-Channels to fill Saturday Afternoon. The costumes: Cheap The CGI: wihtout any inspiration. The actors: Just bad. All was just bad. The Props: Just as the costumes. And the plot was cut down for the mentally impaired. But you know what really tops it? The Neverending Story. The absolutely worst adaption ever.
@@noble_hermit2133 4 Harry Potter movies that still hold up today came out before Eragon and show that fantasy and magic can be done well if you have a studio that cares.
There’s a part in one of the later books where Holly mentions that the fairies are making a movie about her and artemis’s adventures (I think specifically the goblin thing in book 2). I am firmly convinced that this is the movie they made. Like that play in avatar the last air bender. It’s the only way I can think of this movie without getting...mad.
Then it would even make some kind of sense that Artemis is kind of a good guy because in the later books the fairies are working with him, so that is a propaganda film.
I think the most baffling decision was the decision to make Artemis the good boy out of some sort of misplaced cowardice about making an evil child. The books became popular enough for an adaptation, didn't they?! And Artemis was the villain in those books! So clearly people were okay with that story choice! The mind, it boggles.
@@tylittlefield4756 that's because in one of the books while time/dimension traveling he accidentally swapped one eye with Holly, which is also how he was able to use magic in the 6th book.
Geohie Kim but since the movie takes place in the time of book 1, he shouldn’t have different coloured eyes yet,,, he might’ve been wearing mirrored contacts but I feel like that’s giving the movie too much credit
The giant dwarf thing feels really insensitive. They didn’t cast a little person for the dwarf starring role, while casting little people for the background dwarves, and then retconned mulch into a giant dwarf to justify his size, instead of just hiring a fucking little person.
Or even if they still wanted Josh Gad, they couldn't have employed some of the force-perspective or green screen techniques that Lord of the Rings used for their hobbits and dwarfs?
I haven’t even read the books, and after I saw the movie, I was hit with a wave of sympathy for the fans of the books. As a fan of the Percy Jackson series, I feel your pain. The movie was horrible, even as just a movie. It was rushed, and the plot was hard to keep track of, so that sucks.
It's very strange. The plot of the first book is basically a straightforward heist. Artemis kidnaps Holly for the pot of gold that all LEP-Recon agents have in case of capture. And the LEP enlists Mulch to get Holly back. Shenanigans ensue. I don't see the point of replacing that plot with something as convoluted and illogical as what we saw in the film.
Artemis: "I'm Artemis Fowl, and I'm a criminal mastermind." Viewers: "What crimes have you commited?" Artemis: "Character Assassination, attempted Grand Larceny (stupid Corona closing the movie theaters), and making this movie."
Kenneth Brannagh, who was in Harry Potter: I don't believe any young person could get attached to a character who isn't a good guy. Draco Malfoy Stans: Am I a joke to you.
*Spoiler Warning for those reading the books* What pisses me off most about them using Butler’s first name is that In the book no one is supposed to know it, especially the Fowl’s so that way neither family gets too attached to the other. His name is only revealed in the third book just as he decides to sacrifice himself for Artemis, which makes the scene that much more heartbreaking. And later when Artemis time travels he uses it to get Past Butler to believe him. THAT is how important Butler’s first name is and they pissed away all that good will and film series gold on a whim.
Yeah. With Butler dying in the third book, there was also a lot of relationship built between the two and that made it really hard to bear and clear why Artemis would move heaven and hell to get Butler back.
@@deadacc2816 just put one in there, though tbh I don't see the point of putting up a spoiler warning for a book series that's been out and completed for 8 years ¯\(°_o)/¯
@@deadacc2816 Plus let's be honest you're kinda asking for it looking at the comments section for a youtuber known for comparing books to their movie counterparts....
Yes!! That's hilarious! Even if it doesn't have the in-universe gag about Mr. D calling Percy something different from his name all the time, it's still funny. I'd go with Apollo Bird, personally
"It was a decision based on a sort of inverse take on what I saw in the books, which was Eoin introducing Artemis gathering a sense of morality across the books. He said that he had him performed as an 11-year-old Bond villain. It seemed to me that for the audiences who were not familiar with the books, this would be a hard, a hard kind of thing to accept." Kenneth Me: "your intentions are like a bad underpant: transparent, and unclean,"
@@aileenzhao7951 exactly the people that where excited to watch it where fans of the book, there where little to no new people wanting to watch the movie
I'll never understand why we get this type of thing where it's like: "The main hook of the popular book is that this guy hates dogs." "Well, can't have a hero who hates dogs, let's make sure he loves ALL the dogs!"
@@fermintenava5911 Gotta raise the money for that puppy orphanage because Cruella wasn't the bad guy at all, you just thought she was because the people telling the story were lying. In reality, the family was bad and Cruella was the tragic hero trying to save the dogs from a bad situation, lol.
@@gothicanimeangel96 I was actually looking forward to some genuine nature tones given how they were described in the books. This is possibly one of the worst series to change ethnicities around in. It just adds another sin to the pile committed by the people adapting it.
They absolutely missed the mark with Artemis. What makes him so remarkable as a character, is how despicable and scheming he is, and yet the audience still absolutely loves him and roots for him. That is truly amazing writing, and Disney just missed the whole point of his evilness.
As someone who’s waited over 3 years for these books I’m so heartbroken, these books got me through a dark time with there whimsy and amazing plot and to see it defaced this was actually painful
I remember growing up with these books. They're part of my childhood and they made this mess out of them...On the plus side, really made me want to reread the books again
I did the math, and I've waited nearly 15 years. This book series helped define what I am and I just wanted to see a few of my favorite scenes acted out and I saw none of that. At least it got me to pick up the book again.
I haven't read Artemis Fowl in a long time, but I remember loving it. I'm touched by your pain,but if these books inspired you or helped you get through some dark times, I am glad that no shitty movie can take the love that you have for the series from you.
I knew it would be bad, but not this bad. They took away the most important character trait of everyone except Mulch (although the "giant dwarf" thing was weird and pointless) *Butler walks on screen, and Mulch says, "Don't call him Butler, call him Dom or Domovoi". HOW DO YOU MESS THAT UP!?* Book Juliet: Butler's teenage sister. Movie Juliet: Butler's useless child niece. Book Holly: First female LEP, can't mess up or she will ruin the chance of others in the future. Movie Holly: "We think her dead dad betrayed us, any time she messes up, assume she's a traitor" Artemis is such a mess it isn't worth talking about. Artemis Sr. Exists. Opal Koboi is a name they only attached to their new villain to pretend they were using the books.
The thing with Butler sounds like that thing older superhero movies pre-mcu would do where they'd try really really hard not to call the protagonist by their superhero name except maybe make a joking reference to it. Like they think no one who reads the comics will watch it and the movie audiance would deem the movie "too cheesy" if they actually just called them by their name.
@@Troublethecat except what's weird is butler is 1) his last name and 2) part of a long line of butlers who were the origination of the title 'butler' also his first name was supposed to be a secret as it was part of his training to have his first name only known by a small number of people.
Butler only revealed his first name to Artemis when he thought it would no longer matter, encouraging Juliet to recognise the urgency of Artemis' message in the third book. In the movie, that's completely different.
Honestly, if they really wanted to use a character in the story as a narrator, they should have gone with Artemis, Holly, or Foaly. All three of them are more involved with the general plot of the book series than Mulch, who tends to be a late arrival to the plot in most of the books. As a side note, They messed up the depiction of goblins. They still have fire powers but they look more like stereotypical goblins, rather than the lizard-like goblins from the books.
I'll never understand why these adaptations get changed so much. You have a dedicated fanbase that made the original intellectual property so popular, but then change what made it popular in the first place!
*Movie/Book Differences* the ones that stood out *ARTEMIS II* is essentially a villain, and 12yo genius. First inspired by rebuilding the Fowl Family fortune after his dad's disappearance , and lost of most of the family's net worth. He is naturally a mischievous smart-a$% with a bad personality (which is why the name 'Fowl' was chosen by the author). *DOM BUTLER* in the 1st book he was described as being almost 7 feet tall around 200 pds with deep blue eyes, and EURASIAN (think Belarus or Kyrgyzstan) like a white dude with a hint of Asian ancestry *JULIET BUTLER* Dom's youngest sister was a tall 16yo carefree beauty pageant chick (like a valley girl) who became an expert marksman. *HOLLY SHORT* is a 3ft tall elf with a slender body, and rounded face like her great-grandfather Cupid, long fingers, hazel brown eyes, auburn hair, and nut-brown skin (book 1 chapter 3) or coffee-brown skin (TAFF, chapter 3: The Seventh Dwarf) like a medium light-skinned black girl, or Latina. *JULIUS ROOT* commander of LEPrecon, and most successful officer in history, Holly's boss, avid smoker, and most definitely a man. *FOALY* The centaur who is a tech genius, former classmate of Opal Kobai, conspiracy theorist, and inventor of most of Haven City's advanced technology (his role was understated). *DR. ANGELINE FOWL* arty's mom who has fallen ill after his dad's disappearance, and is definitely not dead. *THE PLOT* It's all different! They are suppose to be stealing 1 ton of 24 karat gold, Arty discovers the fairy book in Vietnam then learns of magic on his own, also Holly is captured doing a magically ritual near a tree, not an investigation. if I missed anything (which i'm sure I did) add in
OPAL KOBOI- genius pampered pixie bent on world domination, both fairy and human, but is incapable of doing any labor herself, instead having a team of lunkheads to do the heavy lifting while she plans and schemes. Also with a high pitched voice that isn't very intimidating on its own.
Artemis can't preform any physical activity. Buttler don't have white hair. Everyone in the Fowl mansion escapes the time freeze, when Artemis learns about the disappearance of his mother, though Juliet. He uses sleeping pills that he tricks everyone to drink whit champagne, because of Santa Claus.
Juliet Butler: Received the same training as her brother though at the time her Training was incomplete. She was also extremely find of professional wrestling. Mulch Digguns: A normal sized kleptomaniac Career Criminal Dwarf. Ex-Miner, skilled in breaking & entering, lock picking, scaling building, robbery, tunneling, escaping, be plotting, etc. Knowledgeable about geology, law enforcement tactic/protocol, and human security system/habits.
Ferdia Shaw (Artemis) actually did a pretty good job from what he had to work with. I could easily see him actually pulling off book Artemis (for example, the therapist scene started off really really well [until they pulled his dead mom into it]) if the screenwriters and director could have got their crap together and written book Artemis instead of this low-budget spy kid.
Wow, they turned Artemis Fowl into the most generic thing ever. Anyone want to play Young Adult Fantasy Tropes Bingo? 1) one or both of the protagonist’s parents are dead or missing 2) our protagonist discovers that his parent had information on a secret underground society of fantastical creatures 3) our protagonist is lauded to be an absolute genius and does everything with minimal effort 4) we have a female protagonist trying to redeem her family name because her father fucked everything up for everybody 5) turns out the reason daddy dearest dragged their name through the mud was because their society couldn’t be trusted with the magical mcguffin 6) our female protagonist and our male protagonist bond over daddy issues. 7)an intense fear of presenting our protagonist with any faults or ill-intentions towards anyone else who isn’t obviously a bad guy, and only retroactively reminding the audience that they’re really outlaws
undertakernumberone1 yes, but she is alive, and that is one of the most important things. It's like the only thing keeping Artemis from being a complete monster
@@tommerker8063 It seems like Dench is having some real issues with her agent, Who knows what she knew when she signed the contract and how it was worded.
Well yeah, it's not like it's the actor's fault for fucking up the story. Sure they can fuck up a _good_ story with bad acting but I'm pretty certain the writing here is self evident.
Thankfully it is. I wouldn’t want a repeat of Jake Lloyd where a child actor gets all the blame for ruining a beloved series when the blame should be going to the adults writing and directing and producing it.
You're assuming this garbage was ever meant to have sequels. The entire second book was gutted to bring saving his father and Koboi into this movie, and one of the major reveals of the third book was thrown in as well with no thought. I shudder to think what a sequel would even try to do for a plot.
The plot twist is that she never died, but been in hiding. For no particular reason than plot, end of the movie she's pregnant. Next movie, she's nine months pregnant, incapable of doing any yet overly capable of anything. Child is born.
Ankford Well, I think it’s pretty clear we have a “how to train your dragon 2” - “Aquaman” - “Antman and the wasp” situation where the mom is trapped in a fantastical world and has been developing survival skills and a connection to the land. I’m sure Artemis and Colin Farrell will go rescue her in the next movie.
@@MGSBigBoss77 I specifically said Gilderoy Lockhart and not Kenneth Brannagh. I was making a joke about Lockart twisting stories to make up his own narrative.
To be fair to Lockhart, he did have his brain scrambled so it makes sense this movie adaptation would be pretty scrambled too 😂 It all makes sense now!
I never actually read the books, but I watched the movie last night. It was really just. Eh. It was so weird that Artemis and Holly became buddy buddy so quickly. And the end where he says he’s a criminal mastermind was royally confusing, like really? He’s hardly done anything to deserve that title. Hearing what was supposed to happen makes so much more sense now.
Oh god, I gotta see this trainwreck. Drunk. I reread Artemis Fowl in anticipation of this movie. One thing is that Bulter and Juilet are not half-Irish. They’re mixed European/Asian (Eastern European going by Butler’s first name) and explicitly described as “Eurasian”. They have been serving the Fowl Family for centuries though so making the Butlers black is just unfortunate. They took an already diverse character and racebent him but whitewashed Holly wtf ;-;. This feels even worse than Eragon. Eragon was a hot mess that left out half the book but at least it didn’t completely change the core plot and characters.
@@NotyourAngel162 One failing does not exclude another failing. By that I mean just because this movies is a very terrible adaption, don't let it be an excuse not to call out other bad (though maybe not as bad) movie adaptations. Imagine this, a family is relatively low income, living paycheck to paycheck and just barely managing to put food on the table, but they aren't starving, at least. Then compare them to someone homeless, even more destitute and hardly knows if he is going to eat one day or the next. The first family may say "well, at least we aren't suffering like that guy" refering to the homeless person and feel the need to no longer complain about their situation and see a need to improve it. But in reality, both parties are still suffering, and just because one person happens to be suffering even more, it does not exclude the suffering of another (albeit, a little more fortunate). This should be a call to all screenwriters and directors to make better movie, and not whitewash them for the generic audience. We don't need "safe" movies, we need movies that will actually engage the audience in an adventure not told before. Anyways, enough rambling... XD
Butler's race and name had a purpose too, though not so important. I just can't fathom why studios like to adapt stories with existing audiences and change it so gd much like they don't exist. I'm just happy LOTR and Interview got treated well way back when. Movies today... 😢
@@deadacc2816 But novel Juliet was a blonde ditz. As any Disney executive will tell you, a teenage girl that's beaten in terms of intelligence by her much older and more experienced brother as well as by one in a billion child prodigy, is a firm no-no. An interesting side effect: fans of the books were actually angry at Colfer for sidelining Juliet in the latter novels. But how was it possible? Could it be that she was the closest to an audience surrogate in this cesspool of geniuses and supernatural beings known as the Fowl gang? I wonder how many will ever desire any more "Juliet" from the movie.
you know what this made me do? reread the books. I'm genuinely sad that the studio/team/director/whoever didn't trust the source material or the audience and instead made a mess of a baddddd movie.
Honestly, this makes me sad I didn't pack the books when I moved, opting to bring my harry potter books instead. XD The tables have turned something fierce.
My response to the previous video was to reread the whole series in audio. Very enjoyable. Then I saw the full trailer. Yelled at the screen. Feeling much better after this - absolutely no need to ever see the film and every reason to add Artemis back in to the regular relistening list. Thanks Dom for watching so I don't have to.
The moment I heard the mom was killed off was the moment I knew the entire series was torched. Minor spoilers ahead, but... At least one entire later book hinges on Artemis's mom being alive to spark the book(s) entire plot. All I'll say is mom can't get sick if she's dead.
The Paradox book needs his mother to be alive to be part of that paradox to find the cure back in time to get it back. If she's not alive then you can tell there's no point.
Also, her having two more kids is kinda important. There's two characters (admittedly not my favorite characters) who can't exist with her being dead now.
@@lastsonoftennessee9895 Disney completely ruined their chances of adapting any more of the Fowl books because of this very reason, the last two or three have main plot points that are using the twins and Artemis's mother - Angeline getting ill, the twins getting possessed, etc. Even the second book couldn't be turned into a movie now, seeing as Artemis already has his dad. Disney was just digging its own grave with this crappy adaptation.
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Cats was good dom!!!! I won't take the slander! >:D
Percy Jackson was gold compared to The Spooks Apprentice adaptation Seventh Son. Edit: AKA Seventh Son = Trash Panda quality
Here is what is weird about this adaptation to me.
Them supposedly not thinking you can show a evil mastermind and have audiences sympathetic to them. Both Disney and Branagh should know better because of one of Branaghs previous films.... THOR.
Ya know, the movie that introduced the world to LOKI?
Branagh literally directed the movie with a villainous character who was so sympathetic and liked he stole the entire goddamn franchise and is now having his own series on Disney Plus and he doesn't think he can do what's basically a kid version of it?
I don't think Luke will like this Dominic Noble
But then again he's your best friend
On the plus side I've been finding that the mutual suffering of fans new and old has really brought us all together.
One of your "Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy" videos was removed by WMG. Could you please do something about it?
It certainly has
I haven't seen you this tortured since... yesterday.
I skipped this part of the livestream cause I didn't want to be spoiled. Now that I've watched the movie.... There are no words.
Dominic Noble Even some non-fans are brought in this.
2000s: Eragon
2010s: Percy Jackson
2020s: Artemis Fowl
When will we be free from this bullshit?
when studios start to realize not every young adult series should be the next harry potter...
Realistically? Probably never. We got lucky with the HP movies series, and the Hunger Games movie quartet. I don't foresee any studio staying as true to the source material as they should at any time. (Should I include the LotR/ Hobbit movies in the 'we got lucky' category? I couldn't get even get through the first two chapters of the trilogy, and I've not seen the Hobbit movies.)
Tough shit, rare good ones.
Before this Northern lights... Oh wait sorry Adaptors "Golden Compass" was my top rage inducing adaptation.
When studios actually read the book and use it as a reference!!!!!
Book Artemis: •nearly dies trying to climb a ladder•
Movie Artemis: SURFS UP BROS!!
In Ireland?
@@Allangulon Where both seas on each side get dangerously rough and are cold enough to give you hypothermia? Yup!
i know😭
I tried so hard to watch this with an open mind. So hard. I literally couldn't make it 5 minutes and the surfing was the kicker. I don't know if the rest of the movie was good but I refused to sit by and watch them completely shit on the entire concept of the character.
@@Allangulon yeah it's filmed onthe North Coast a few surf schools up there... Check out the amazing Al Meany the big ginger of big wave surfing
Book Artemis would probably have movie Artemis killed for slandering his family's name
...as a side project whilst he was also developing ways of further monetising his contact with the fairy world without actually revealing it; running hedge funds invested in various international markets; pioneering a form of A.I. that is on the brink of revolutionising brain surgery; researching the viability of having a personal low-orbit comms network in the sky, and transcribing some Mozart in his spare time, for fun.
@@mickey4125 While gearing up a massive lawsuit against Disney for this slander of the Fowl name... and winning.
@@undertakernumberone1 Disney's long overdue a lawsuit. Remember that woman who confirmed they've been fudging numbers for years? She's mysteriously disappeared.
Book Artemis would probably arrange for a Mind Wipe, and set Movie Artemis up to live the rest of his life in a beach in Australia teaching people how to surf. Artemis might be a conniving crook, but he's not evil, at least not maliciously evil.
Auria potestas est.
To summarize Disney's understanding of crime: "A good pirate never takes another person's property."
Oof, ya... At least for Jake and the Neverland Pirates they had the excuse of the show being aimed towards a very young audience and that the main cast saying this were original characters. Here though, there's no bloody excuse
"...they legally buy the Intellectual Property RIGHTS, take a long slow satisfying shit on them, then blame everyone else for not liking the shit-coated product."
Well, when you've killed off all the crew, there are no owners left, so, technically, not stealing?
@@Longingtobesomeone Often pirates wouldn't have to kill the crew of the ship you're raiding. The smart ones flew false flags (where we get the term from now) and did a bunch of other stuff to make themselves seem like a slow merchant ship. Get close, drop the pretence and raise the black flag, and often enough that was enough to scare the other ship into surrender - better to hand over your stuff and live than get into a fight, where you either win but a lot of you are dead/maimed, or lose and everyone dies/is maimed and you lose all the stuff anyway. And if the captain does give the order to fight, the crew very well could mutiny, and let the pirates aboard. This usually ended in the captain being executed and the crew left be while the pirates made off with the spoils. This possibility weighed on the captains mind making resistance even less likely. All in all, it worked out for the pirates - because now you can steal all their shit without risking dying.
However, this means the owners are still alive... but I suppose this could be seen as extortion rather than theft?
@@lilyjackson6460 I see someone has watched CGP Grey's latest videos.
Disney Artemis: “Boy I love friendship! I love being happy and I can’t wait to make new friends with the elves!”
Original Artemis: “Hippity hoppity, your officer’s life for your property.”
Hahahahahaha👌🏼
Best comment.
Bravo
Beautiful
I just had the image of Orion saying this and Artemis being completely mortified when he woke up. XD
Artemis Fowl in the film: “we can succeed through the power of friendship!”
Artemis Fowl in the novel: “I’d sell your soul to Satan for a couple bucks.”
That completely misrepresents Book! Artemis. He’d totally be able to get a better deal out of the devil for someone else’s soul.
@@Waffletimewarp came here to make this comment lol, that kid would swindle the devil
Artemis how can you trade their soul for 62 cents?
Artemis: You think I could have got more?
@@Waffletimewarp and surely he would get it in euro
@Emperor Ssraeshza
You absolutely should at least try them.
Book!Artemis is a fantastic character. Physically frail while highly intelligent. He's a villain protagonist, at least in the first few books.
"Butler doesn't like being called a butler"
Doesn't the book literally specify that Butlers have been serving Fowls for so long some scientists believe the word "Butler" originated from their family name? How would Butler not liking being addressed as a word literally derived from his surname even work?
Probably since there had been a long tradition of slaves as butlers, so no amount of polishing would have prevented this from being awkward.
They were still pretty content making Juliet a little "servant girl" with no other role than that.
@@fermintenava5911 They could've prevented it from being awkward by not changing his race, for one.
@@HunterTracks Or not overly dwelling on it which the book does as well.
Unknown Error... Yeah , like , give us our Eurasian representation that we all the deserve Disney !
@@SakiBlablabla If you want lots of African servant representation there a lot of very progressive 1930s films I can direct you towards.
I guess Disney just couldn't resist killing the lead's mom. Does this make Artemis Fowl a Disney princess?
Its closer then a criminal mastermind.
This version of him yes
I’ll look forward to seeing him in the next Wreck-It Ralph movie then. 😂
that will make him a shonen protagonist
Doesn't help that Artemis is a gender neutral name.
So yes he is a Disney princess.
Disney doesn’t make adaptions of books, they make Disney movies and use the names of characters from the books.
And they didn't even do it good like with DreamWorks and how to train your dragon
i mean, holes was good
Winnie the Pooh being one of the worst cases. They even acknowledged it, albeit with certain subtlety, in Saving Mr. Banks.
@@liampeterson8299 it was a direct adaptation of the book. besides Stanley not being fat in the film, it was a pretty faithful adaptation
@@minako10 that was marry poppins.
"Call him Dom" BUTLERS NAME IS BUTLER, HE TELLS ARTEMIS TO CALL HIM DOMOVOI BECAUSE HE THINKS HES GONNA DIE ITS THE BIGGEST GUT PUNCH IN THE SERIES NEXT TO ROOT [REDACTED].
D’Arvit
AND IT'S THE KEY FOR THE REVEAL IN BOOK 4!
I know right? How did they mess that up? Its a whole joke that the term 'butler' meaning close servant might have come from the Butler family and they fuck it up and call him Dom all the bloody time. Like...how little attention were you paying?
"Hang in there, buddy." broke me.
'But call him the butler and he'll snap you in half'
Artemis literally calls him a butler in the first chapter of the first book. And yes, Butler wouldn't hurt his charge, but if he was in any way uncomfortable with the term, Artemis would not be using it.
Disney: Nobody likes a villain, we can't build a franchise with that!
Also Disney: Let's give Loki his own TV show, fans love him.
Loki isn't a kid. It's more about not showing kids in villain roles.
Why you ask? Because they're afraid that kids would want to become criminals if their hero is one.. It's stupid because no kid reading the books became a criminal mastermind because of it.
Also, in Robocop 2 they showed a young 12 year old boy killing people and taking drugs.
@Paulina Kuch It's really the proof that other than MCU and Star Wars stuff, current Disney doesn't care about their own movies which is sad because I don't want kids in current day or in future to know and remembered Disney because of current Star Wars and MCU movies.
not to mention maleficent. no one really asked for that...
Was literally just thinking this
@@asamoya19 That movie was at least better than Artemis Fowl. If you talking about the sequel than it's a diferent thing.
Artemis Fowl: Movie tries to be more diverse, accidentally leaves out pro-diversity message from the source material
Not to mention the environmental message. I wish they gave us the Whaler scene, everyone likes explosions! Oh wait that would mean Artemis would have to be a villain.
It isn't trying to be diverse, it's trying to be shakespearian
One day there'll be a movie with like 5 actors, one jolly funny chubby one, one black actor and no girls. Cause shakespeare!
Couple of adaptations did that lately in my opinion. Like the book had X on page, the show/movie went and replaced it by something very ambiguous that could be confirmed or denied depending on which view gets the majority. wth
MeltingPenguins but we also have the graphic novels, which are more accurate than the damn movie
@@Apesrock12 when the movie got pushed back for edits I thought that disney had realised they cut out too much of the (admittedly in the books sometimes anvilicious) environmentalism
"Worse than percy Jackson"
As a PJ fan, I'm worried
Saaamme
At least Percy Jackson kept the most basic structure of the plot even if they changed the reasons that scenes happened
@@DreadBirate same
Repeat after me, rick riordan is writing the script, rick riordan is writing the script ...
We can just hope and crossed our fingers :/
@@DreadBirate only the first film
I can't think about a secound one of this one
By the time they'd got to Artemis "allergic to exercise" Fowl on a surfboard I knew my childhood being murdered was the biggest crime the movie was going to have.
same i saw him surfing and i went _"hold up"_
do people even surf in Ireland?
And another aspect of him being an atypical teen is that he prefers formalwear. At the start of the fourth book he and Butler go undercover as father and bratty teenage son, and one of the first things Artemis thinks upon departing is that he can’t wait to get out of the t-shirt and jeans and back into the suit. He would never recreationally go for a wetsuit.
@@TrevorOFarrell apparently yeah it’s pretty popular but _REALLY_ cold.
@@jbcatz5 "These high tops are ridiculous. How are you supposed to run in soles 4 inches high? I miss my suits"
I almost laughed when he said Artemis fighting. The one time he got remotely close to a combat situation in that book was Holly giving him a rather cathartic punch to the face.
Don’t forget: Less than a year later he struggles to climb up a 20 foot ladder with his life at stake...
@@mrghilliesmadhouse6286 I always loved how Colfer made sure we knew that Artemis is very very bad at physical stuff
@@viella90 his lack of physical ableness, along with his overconfidence was kinda his foil
@@Pseud0nymTXT Yeah exactly! I liked how Colfer made his characters have flaws so that when they were faced with them it was a genuinely nailbiting moment.
He notes down he has to work out some, and then in a later book, due to said exercising, he manages to escape a situation.
Artemis Fowl writers: "Fowl as a villain, with complex morality? Could my personal ideas and innovations be wrong? Could I be out of touch? No... it's the readers that are wrong."
"i wasn't wrong, the world was!"
Can you guess where this is from?
@@herbertwalter8693 Ah another story where the main can be seen as the villain, nice CG reference
Are they really considered writers if they just throw a bunch of tropes together with a coating of detail and call it a functioning story?
@@frostfang1 technically, they wrote stuff
@@anna-flora999 Technically they wrote an AU that was greenlit by Disney for some reason. I don't know if that's more or less work than just sticking to the damn books.
"kills his mother off"
That's the Walt Disney guarantee.
the weird thing was they had her cast so where did she go?
@@noble_hermit2133 The actress held them at gunpoint until they removed all reference to her ever being in the movie.
I can't help but find this funny because it basically CONFIRMS the jokes about Disney hating mothers.
In the book his mom wasn’t even dead
So Artemis’ twin brothers are effectively erased from existence...I feel like I should be surprised that the people responsible for this clearly only skimmed far ahead enough to introduce a non-Artemis villain and learn Butler’s full name instead of READING the entire series and realizing that not only were there characters and plot elements that haven’t been and SHOULDN’T be introduced yet, but now there are characters and plot elements that CANNOT be introduced anymore thanks to their actions. *sigh* It’s gonna be a long time before we get direct answers for this fiasco as well as a better shot at a good film adaption.
Actual quote from Branagh about his decision to change Artemis' character:
"It was a decision based on a sort of inverse take on what I saw in the books, which was Eoin introducing Artemis gathering a sense of morality across the books. He said that he had him performed as an 11-year-old Bond villain. It seemed to me that for the audiences who were not familiar with the books, this would be a hard, a hard kind of thing to accept."
A HARD THING TO ACCEPT? SERIOUSLY? WHY DID HE EVEN SIGN ON TO MAKE THE FREAKING MOVIE, TO BEGIN WITH?
"I thought this thing in a massively successful book with a ton of sequels wouldn't be popular so decided to change it"
Like wasn't the fact that the protagonist is a child and a criminal mastermind kinda the whole freaking draw to the first book? I mean I sure as hell got it because of that. Way to hold your audience for uwu idiots who can't handle the slightest moral ambiguety.
@@helenakri7282 Yeah, that was the main draw for me here. All Artemis books at their hearts are like heist stories with a clever twist (sometimes a twist like they did in films like Oceans' 11 and ilk) and the protagonist is the one pulling it all off. It's basically Oceans' 11/the Sting/Hustle (the tv series) with fairies. But they made it shit.
Umm. . . What do u think ur job as director is?
If we ever find out that he only did the movie because he lost a bet or something I would totally believe it. He seemed like he wanted nothing to do with the source material and I doubt he read even a full chapter of the first book. Hell, I doubt he even read the graphic novel adaptation of the first book.
The implication of Butler’s casting makes me uncomfortable. The Butler family has been serving the Fowls for centuries, and if said ancestors were of African descent, then the implication seems to be that the Fowls had a slave that they chose to keep in their service along with their descendants when slavery was abolished and that Artemis is somehow fine with this.
I really wish they’d given this some thought when choosing the cast. Insofar as representation goes, Holly was right there for a book-accurate dark-skinned character that they made white for no reason.
vbarreiro plus there’s other races. Butler is supposed to be half Asian. Make him Asian! Root is supposed to be red. Cast a white person and make them flushed. Foley is the tec guy DO NOT CAST AN INDIAN MAN TO PLAY THE TEC SUPPORT YOU RACIST BASTARDS
vbarreiro ikr! plus there’s other races. Butler is supposed to be half Asian. Make him Asian! Root is supposed to be red. Cast a white person and make them flushed. Foley is the tec guy DO NOT CAST AN INDIAN MAN TO PLAY THE TEC SUPPORT YOU RACIST BASTARDS
@@GeeklingNo1 Root is not supposed to be "Red". He is supposed to be in a constant state of "Pissed off" and therefore having a reddish face due to the blood being pumped into the face.
About Foley: Don't cast a handsome guy for him... he was described as a bit paunchy, and is basically a bit of a stereotypical nerd. Tbh, going with Sheldon or Leonard from Big Bang theory in Style would work. With adjustements.
@@undertakernumberone1 You could also go the opposite route, like in the manga where they make him a super pale stick person. Playing up the Vampire like aspects the book described him as having.
@@alexblake5369 the "vampire" was Artemis... I was talking about Root and Foaly
I don't mind getting spoiled, I avoided the movie like the plague.
I haven't even read the books and I avoided it like the plague!
Good!
I don't mind getting spoiled and after i've been spoiled i still don't understand anything
@@JackedThor-so
The better question should a fantasy lover buy the books?
@@bachtrinh8783 That right there is the definition of a incoherent script.
They did Butler so dirty in this film. Calling him Dom.
Awful. Just awful.
Maybe they realised this movie was DOA?
Calling him Dom which undermines an important character moment from later, having him do absolutely nothing and just telling us he's supposed to be the badass he is in the books, not including the scene where he suits up in plate armour and beats the shit out of that troll with a mace...
My brain was screaming NO NOT ONE OF THE MAIN TEAR JERKERS OF THE ETERNITY CODE REEE
the worst is that his name is not revealed till at least the fourth book
I liked the actor that played him, and even though I don't think he was a great fit for the role I still would have been ok with it (honestly it's one of the least upsetting changes)--but they destroyed the character so bad in this movie.
Artemis Fowl is SO intelligent, he couldn't even find the magical mcguffin hidden in his own house!
He didn’t want the movie to begin
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He failed at that
He didn't even know about his dad's secret stash. This movie made him seem like any kid that thinks they're smart.
Artemis did absolutely nothing himself in this movie. It's so cool in the books how Butler just follows his orders even tho he doesn't understand them at all. And then here Butler is just telling him everything he needs to know like why movie🙃🙃🙃
It came off to me that Artemis knew it was there but needed a dwarf to unlock it. Because he was for some reason unable to open the safe himself.
Though I may be giving it more credit than it deserves. 🤷
Disney: *remakes classics that don't need **_live action_** remakes*
Also Disney: *Wastes a perfectly good property that had great potential*
The only decent Disney remake is 101 Dalmatians
@@cooperminion825 Alice on the other side of the mirror seems good too.
@@blade7y156 u mean Through the Looking Glass?
@@cooperminion825 yes sorry ^^'
My English is not yet very good...
And I translated the French name directly
@@blade7y156 no problem. On another note, Through the Looking Glass isn't technically a remake. Neither is the 2010 film. That's technically a reboot
Artemis in the books: (Gets heavily winded just going up some stairs)
Artemis in the movies: "IMMA WRESTLE AN ELF COP"
Because of his seriousness, wealth and intelligence Artemis was sometimes compared to an evil Batman. (I myself made that comparrision sometimes too.) I guess, Disney heard that, overheard the "evil" part and did not research on "why" they got compared...
Disney and/or the director want to show how progressive they are by changing the commander from a man to a woman, but by doing so they take away Holly's (a female) determination to rise above a patriarchal society to become the first female officer.
They want to show how accepting they are of black people by changing the Russian/Japanese martial artist Butler into a black man, yet by doing so put the black man in a servant hood position.
They want to show that they are connected with the modern family by making a popular kids book into a movie, yet fail to add anything that made the book successful, fail to show a seemingly bad person's story arc, and fail to simply tell the story for the story's sake rather than attempt to start a franchise.
... why are we still supporting Disney?
The only thing made by Disney that's actually worth something is their animation department.
Disney didn't create the MCU, or the original Star Wars trilogy. They simply have the rights to them now.
it's funny because if they wanted to start a franchise the best thing they could have done is just... tell the story the way it appears in the book, because that story is naturally built off of in the following books.
Didn't read the books or watched the movie, but as an ATLA fan I like to rage with other victims, so I watched Dominic's video. All the things above are facepalm-worthy, but personally as a woman, the first thing in particular pisses me off. When I was younger, the problem of glass ceilings/patriarchy in certain professions was barely addressed in any media, it would have been so cool to give girls awareness of the issue (which still exists) through a popular movie - of course you can also show women in power positions, but the struggle to get there also needs to be portrayed. But no, let's make it instead a "I need to redeem my family's name" type of thing, which has NEVER been done before.
@@Ariel_emerald Exactly! If they had actually taken advantage of what they had access too, they could have made a good modern fantasy thriller. Instead, we get... this.
I swear Disney has a separate division for their live action movies. Why else has most of them been terrible and uninspired?
Disney: "Audiences, especially children, will never like or identify with a character who's a criminal with a heart of gold."
Also Disney: "One of our biggest breakout characters of the last twenty years is a drunken, thieving, whoremongering, gun-happy pirate. He literally opened his last movie by robbing a bank."
Also Disney, Too: "Let's have a Villains After Dark event at the theme parks! In addition to their walk-around characters, prime hosting spots during Halloween events/parades, and Villain-centered stores!"
Taiya001 i wouldn’t say Artemis suffers from psychopathy or sociopathy, rather his incredibly high intellect, his family, and his young age makes him think he is better than everyone else. So in the first book, he’s greedy and selfish but there are hints that he’s not completely irredeemable. That’s one of the best part of the series, seeing Artemis grow from this arrogant criminal mastermind to someone who genuinely wants to help people
@@taiya001 You come off as just a wee bit basic friendo.
@@taiya001 dude, the books ate great, dont judge them before you read them
@@taiya001 But it does make for an interesting character.
Taiya001 thats understandable, but yeah he’s definitely not made out to be an irredeemable evil twelve year old
There was a whole thing in the books about how Butler's somewhat generic and racially ambiguous looks made him blend in easily in any and every crowd, so why they decided to make him look how he does in the movie is just...strange. And the only thing Holly in the movie shares with book!Holly is a name.
They did my man Artemis dirty. Loved those books in middle school.
I'm starting to build a theory that the filmmakers took the idea of Butler being racially ambiguous and twisted it into "has features from different ethnicities". Which is why he's a black man with pale hair and blue eyes, features usually associated with white europeans.
Which also misses the mark, because he's specifically described as 'Eurasian' in the books, but oh well. Much as I hate to parrot what so many other people are saying, it wouldn't be so big of a deal if they didn't also whitewash Holly.
The main thing that made me mad is when Artemis calls himself a criminal mastermind after doing literally nothing to be considered one.
Also, before that he's super offended when they call his father a criminal?
@@terrylynn7936 LOL Good point. I guess, multiple screenwriters much?
Anthony J. Crowley how do hide something from a lot of people that so big that it could change everything they ever knew well as a smiling clown said before hide it right under there noes he decided to because he couldn’t save the world by telling the truth so he just did the same as his dad
@@Seeker118 What does that have to do with anything? Did you have a stroke?
GiganticTumor 😂😂😂
Writer: So in the books Artemis' mom suffers from psychosis due to the dad having died but for this movie I decided the dad has been kidnapped and the mom is dead.
Disney Executive: Oh dead moms are tight.
Writer: I know what company I'm writing for.
Barely an inconvenience
making artemis good is very easy, *barely an I N C O N V E N I E N C E*
@@diffrnent Don't worry there is.
So there was already diversity in the books, and they still messed up the casting?
Yeah, guess they felt micromanaged *eyeroll*
And it's honestly a bit weird that the Butlers, their entire family identity being serving their masters, are now black.
Like, the Fowls kind of own a family of black people?
@@Powersd451 Say that to a Disney executive and watch them pull at their shirt collars uncomfortably. George Lucas outright called them "white slavers".
@@Powersd451 i honestly think they added the he doesnt want to be called a butler because of that... which honestly is solving an issue that needed no solving
@@Powersd451 also in the second book the butlers are described as a mix of caucasian and asian. sooo i really don't get why Disney tried to make the fowls look like slave owners
After how much petty nerd rage I've witnessed over the years, I forgot that there actually is good reason for people to be upset over something they're emotionally attached to. This video reminded me of that.
“People don’t like movies about villains, those will never be popular!”
Do these people live in the real world
"I'll take Joker for 500, Alex"
Of course they don't, they're Disney execs.
ironic cus theyre also villains themselves the just dont know it haha
“I’ll take A Clockwork Orange for 300”
Gee, that must be why Death Note was so unpopular. 😒
I've never gotten why when a studio buys the rights to a wildly popular book they sometimes change it beyond recognition. A well selling book is as screen-tested as something is going to get!
Just. Make. The. Book. Move.
While that doesn't work all the time, for books like these (preteen-teen fiction) it DEFINITELY has been proven time and time again that it works better when you just follow the book
In all honesty,I believe there was no way to fix the movie from the start.Even if they pulled a sonic movie where the trailer was shit and they fixed it,it would be impossible and they would have to continue being in development hell again.The movie just should have been straight up cancelled from the start.
THERE WAS QUITE LITERALLY A GRAPHIC NOVEL. THE SCREENPLAY WAS DONE.
I still can't believe they killed Angeline. His trade with Holly at the end of the book was one of the HIGHLIGHTS, but they just killed her
Not only that, but by killing Angeline they've also erased Myles and Beckett.
His deal with Holly is the first step where you see there's something he wants more than money - his family back (which is how he diminished the family fortune in the first place - not believing that his father was dead and sinking money into the search).
It is diensy, they always kill mothers. (For no good reason)
@@LittleHobbit13 You have more hope that I that they would actually adapt enough books in the series to get to Myles and Beckett.
Its a defining moment of his character in the books. After all the subtle hints that theres something more to him than a lust for wealth and power he gives in and trades half a ton of gold for his mothers restoration to health. And the movie just throws it out...Like, how little do you care about the books to do that?
Wait, they called Butler by his first name? Isn’t that one of his most closely guarded secrets? I haven’t read the books for ages, but I remember that thing at least
YUP. I legit RAGED when they did this. They made his character African American. Then, so as to not seem 'racist' they use his real name.
Fucking seriously?
@@crkinjiraretaai It’s because of Kenneth Branagh’s knack for colorblind casting.
Y’a it’s a point that Artemis will only refer to Butler by his first name when things have gone horribly wrong. Like his sister gets a look of “oh $hit” when she hears his first name. It doesn’t make sense that this massive clue to the severity of the scenario was just used to refer to the character
You're right. I'm pretty sure Artemis doesn't learn his name until the third book (The Eternity Code) and only then its right when Butler is dying.
@@crkinjiraretaai not to be that guy but the character is meant to be Irish so he'd be an Irish black person, not African-American (he also wouldn't be black Irish as that is an ethnic group of white Irish people with black hair and Mediterranean features likely descended from Spanish sailors that crashed in Ireland following the storm that wiped out the Spanish Armada).
It's only Americans that insist on referring to a whole ethnic group by the name of a continent that very few of them have lived in or have ever known for the past 150 years.
Is Artemis a villain? No. But he HAs a sWOrd yoU guYS!
There's a random thought. Anyone else have a copy of the eighth book that shows him holding a sword in the cover art?... Where the hell was that sword?
“You idiots, we’ve ALL got swords!”
Sorry that quote was the first thing I immediately thought of reading this
Yeah that was weird.
Kept expecting artemis to cut opal down at the end.
Wich he kinda did, just not with a physical sword.
Reminds me when the secondary school was having an open evening and in one room there was swords, never saw those swords again.
Real Artemis would have difficulty ~even steadily holding~ a sword, much less actually fight with it...
I Lost it when Artemis turns to the captive Holly, says "can i trust you?" and immediately rips off his anti mind control shades and lets her out of the cage he had been taunting her in minutes earlier.
Then i realized that this sudden character swing was supposed to have been from the earlier scene where Artemis found out that Holly missed her dad to.
Someone watched Batman Vs Superman and thought the Martha twist was a much better plotline than Holly outfoxing the protagonists and escaping only to return and help save Juliet from the troll because shes a good person.
Too
But holy crap that’s not supposed to happen
@Turd Ferguson To be fair, I didn't know their mothers had the same name. I also thought it was an actual joke. I laughed at that line in the middle of a theater.
And then the idiot who wrote the "Martha!" line went on to cowrite Rise of Skywalker, so I guess who's really laughing now?
My brain read Artemis and immediately went, "but what about apollo?"
@@vsGoliath96 I mean all the crap that "Martha!" bit got never made since to me. It made sense the entire movie Batman had been seeing Superman as this alien who was this terrible threat with nothing to check him. Then when he's working himself up to end this threat he finds this humanizing connection between them that Clark is also a son with a mom that he loves just like Bruce.
The main thing I'm mad about:
Foaly didn't have a tin hat
You are SO valid. And correct.
Please explain
@@Ramsey276one Foaly is a huge nerd in the book, and wearing a tin foil hat is one of his many quirks
@@Ramsey276one a literal tinfoil hat for the exact reason of blocking mind rays, noi really this is in the book
Luis-Raul Diaz-Rios Folay is paranoid and think a tin hat would prevent potential alien from reading his mind if i remember
Artemis fowl in the book : *Kidnapped holly and wanted to trade her for money*
Artemis fowl in the movie : *will you trust me?*
Me : Ugh D’Arvit
Really! D'Arvit
D'Arvit.
Izzieobel D'Arvit I love that word
D'Arvit
D'arvit
im just having flashbacks to when the actor list came out and it asked for an actor with a “sunny disposition” for the lead... we knew it’d be downhill
Artemis also showed his intelligence in spiking the Hu Chi Min City fairy’s alcohol with a bit of holy water. This was basically how he got access to her book
@@Grim_Sister that was kind of disturbing; it was really good character building to show how ruthless and dangerous he was, but also that while Artemis is totally okay with threatening people, he has no interest in causing harm for it's own sake
Ellen Boldt ruthless, yes. But you have to remember, the shot he gave her was also supposed to help her heal the alcohol damage (along with a drug to make this particular memory fuzzy). It was a brilliant move: spike the booze, lay the deal and sweeten it a bit, and then give her what she wants with a little extra.
Fair? No. Devious? Yes. Strategically brilliant? Most definitely
@@butterknife1066 Artemis wasn't cruel for cruelty's sake, but he was determined, cunning, ruthless, and had a sadistic streak. It's mentioned that he enjoyed winding his teachers and therapists up whenever they tried to pry and the entire plot of the first book is him kidnapping an innocent in order to ransom her off. Artemis's dubious morality was one of the most interesting parts of the book.
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"I said 'Artemis wouldn't surf, it's not his thing.' Disney said 'look, we need him to appeal to as many people as possible just to get this movie seen."
-Actual quote from the book's author.
This film is one of the most shocking misfires of heavy-handed, harebrained executive meddling I have ever seen. The fundamental emotional and moral core of the story is missing. The heart of Artemis Fowl is that Holly mesmerizes Juliet to escape, and as a result Butler is mortally wounded protecting her from the troll. Holly then heals Butler. In turn, Artemis gives back half the gold to Holly in exchange for her healing his mother's mysterious ailment. This is very significant. Holly demonstrates kindness towards the people who kidnapped her, and Artemis demonstrates that he doesn't really care about the gold itself. One of the most bleak moments in the novel is when Holly reluctantly agrees to allow the LEP forces to blue rinse the manor, killing everyone inside. She doesn't want to let it happen. But Artemis has a plan. He manages to escape the blue rinse weapon, and while Holly isn't his friend, she is very glad that they all escaped. There is so much that could be drawn from this emotionally and morally. Holly doesn't like Artemis, but she respects him. And at the end of the film, we see the future before them and know their paths will cross again. It's good stuff. The movie destroys this. And I can't fathom why.
This movie was butchered in post-production. Flayed alive and put back together with paper glue. But I don't know if there's any cut of this movie that understood the fundamental moral heart of the story. The emotional core. There's a very good chance a cut exists where Artemis's mother is alive, for instance. But does Artemis bargain for his mother's health with Holly in that cut, the moment that reveals the humanity behind the criminal mastermind facade? We don't know. Could this movie be fixed in some belated Highland 2: Renegade Cut-style affair? I don't know. But I cannot understand why Disney completely misunderstood the fanbase of this property and its appeal to wider audiences. We've got plenty of evidence that scenes all throughout this movie were ripped apart and put back together again with worse dialogue, worse editing, and a shitty McGuffin plot that completely undermines the core thrust of the original story.
Quite frankly, if this movie was blessed with a "We're sorry" director's cut, they could salvage a few things by adding in a scene or two where Artemis Sr talks to someone like Holly or someone like Holly's father. There are certain messages about honour and making difficulty choices that could have been patched in via Artemis Sr scenes. Get rid of the shitty framing device. Redo the shitty Opal scenes. The dialogue in the Opal scenes is waaaaaay off the mark for that character. That could be redone. After all, literally none of the Opal dialogue in the trailers is in the movie. So they've already rewritten it and made it worse already. This film is a morbid dumpster fire. But there is... something there. I think a film that isn't a total disaster could be salvaged from the ashes, freed from the insane rewrites the studio likely imposed.
you need paragraphs, this is so hard to read.
This makes some excellent points.
I feel so bad for Eoin Colfer
20 fucking years only to see his series butchered like this
i feel like the fanbase can make a better movie than what disney done
I have a difficult time arguing with you on this. I see where you're coming from with that. I also do understand why some of the changes were made. Yes, the core element is with his mother, but that also is a very uncomfortable scenario to film altogether. She was very much on the deep end. The dummy part still haunts me...
But it does still showcase that Arty has some heart there, and in the books he does change dramatically whenever his family is even mentioned. This side of Artemis was exposed, and he did prove how intelligent he was. (Personally, I find that cracking the entire language in less than two days versus four months is way more impressive)
All in all, I do agree they should at least release a version including the deleted scenes, but a few reshoots would be expensive at this stage. Who knows? Maybe they will, because they did show they do care about it. All the Easter Eggs, the character portrayals in the subtle details (Mulch having a 'gravelly' voice, Root sounding like she was forced to quit cigars and cursing at the same time, as two examples), and such gave me that impression.
Nevertheless, yes there is a lot changed here. And because of that, it's too much for many to bear. I take what I'm given, but I still have hope Disney will mend this somehow to appeal better. Otherwise, they're setting up for failure in all Realms but the MCU...
They killed off his mother?? I'm genuinely shocked, she's a real important morality chain for him in the first book. I guess she's not an important character on her own, but.. damn.
I hate that because she is such an important part of the end of the first book, when Artemis is finally able to put his plans on the back burner and see that he actually has a family who cares about him, and he cares about her. And then they embrace. Such a powerful moment, especially as she's been rather crazy with depression throughout the book, making a fake dad out of pillows and pretending it's him.
not to mention that killing her also effects any future plot points involing her or artys siblings
Why are you shocked? Disney loves killing off parents.
@@FalconDove what future plot points. This is straight to DVD, they (hopefully) won't make a sequel.
Yeah... Angeline's delusions and Artemis' reactions to her and his love for her were a key point of the first book and one of the strongest aspects to make us empathize with ActuallyACriminal!Artemis. But then, they decided they didn't need the core premise of Artemis anyway so I guess she wasn't necessary. Also, for more long reaching consequences that this film was never going to get to: No Miles and Beckett.
The guy who played Five in Umbrella Academy would have been the perfect Artemis Fowl.
Worse than the trailer, that’s impressive considering the trailer made it look terrible and cringy.
I do suggest people watch that deleted scene with the drunk fairy, though. Ironically it's the best (cut) scene of the entire film--and partially because at least it has SOME grit, at least it VAGUELY tries to be like the books.
@@carlotta4th exactly
You really should. Here's the one:
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Ok We’re not going to talk about how Juliet is supposed to be 16-17 years old not 12 and that she’s not Butler’s niece. Nor the fact that Butler’s first name is supposed to be a secret, Hell Artemis doesn’t even learn it til Eternity code and that’s only because Of what happened in the book. I must have missed the part where they say Mrs. Fowl is dead but the lack of her presence made me rage.
its right in the begining when hes in schools with the counslor, he said "//// your mother is gone or not with us anymore"
Also the fact that Butler is Eurasian/Russian, but that can sit at the end of a long list of other issues, I suppose.
@@vsGoliath96 they should've gotten Kane to play him
@@vsGoliath96 yeah they switched Holly and Butler's "race" lmao
@@Shtoops And in the grand scheme of things, I normally wouldn't consider it a big deal, but the book makes mention of Butler's very specific appearance over and over! I'm pretty sure it's actually like a semi-important plot point that Butler can easily pass as Russian. I just don't think I've ever seen such a blatant act of diversity quota filling.
Maybe butler hates being called a butler because they didn't want to feature a black men who's comfortable with and dedicated to a position of servitude, in the source material his family has a heritage of serving the fowls and his family name is how we got the word "butler".could they have fixed it by making butler and juliet white like they were in the source material? yes
could they have still make the movie diverse by making holly a woc like she was in the source material? yes
why didn't they do it? I don't know, somehow they managed to make diversity bad.
it was honestly race/gender flipping for race/gender flippings sake
making Dench the first female (or was she even) and taking that whole plotline out of the story actually makes the movie less 'woke' than the source
@Olivier Dubreuil-Gagnon butler was described as being possibly mistaken for a chinese so he must have some serious asian blood in him for that to happen and while i have not been down there myself i doubt someone from bosnia to be mistaken for a chinese
I think in the book universe the word butler stems from the name of his family, the Butlers. Thus he is THE butler.
@@Coolbond2 Well depending on the region, some ethnic groups in Eurasia do have similar features to peoples of central Asia, like Mongolians and Han Chinese. That doesn't necessarily include most people in Bosnia, because most of them may not be descended from more Asian-looking ethnic groups.
Artemis Fowl in the movie: I’m nice, kind, and happy.
Artemis Fowl in book: Kidnaps innocent fairy for money.
Ah, but movie artemis insulted his therapist's chair that one time.
"Bippity boppity, while I'm alive, no fairies on MY property"
Artemis Fowl, slightly adapted
Epilogue: *And so the Artemis Fowl fans were forced to wait another ten years for a proper adaptation of their story to be announced, this time via a TV series, because this was yet another instance where a movie just wouldn't work when adapting these books. But never fear, for the Avatar: The Last Airbender and Percy Jackson fans were here to provide comfort and support.*
You forgot Tolkien's fans. We who suffer endlessly...for the art of our beloved author was rewritten by morons all for the sake of an insipid, unnatural romance that makes bad fanfiction pairings look like Romeo and Juliet. We're here for you. We suffer together. One sorrow to rule them all.
I'm just imagining Artemis surrounded by the protagonists of Percy Jackson, Avatar the last airbender, Eragon etc, all with their hands on his shoulder in solidarity with the newest member of the shitty adaptation club.
@@silversiren7046 I so wish P Jackson could have got more time to do things properly. From what I understand he had to do everything with no storyboards, and no planning. Such missed potential...
But that simply isn't the case -- Artemis Fowl *shouldn't* need a TV show. Eragon, ATLA, Percy Jackson, etc. were epic stories that were always going to need to drop things in adaptation. But this? This was the most cinematic book I've ever read! It's a concise, narrowly scoped plot in which 80% of the action happens in a single night, and 90% happens in a single location. You could literally put *everything* in the book into a movie, and it wouldn't be overly long -- and it would be pretty cheap, too. Plus, it's already paced like a movie -- that's why it's so easy to read the book in a single sitting. The reason this fandom has been so much more vocal about its desire for a movie than many others is that this movie should have been an effortless slam dunk. I'd say it writes itself, but it doesn't even need to -- it's *already written.*
We need to start a support group
My problems with the movie:
1. Commander Root is not Commander "Julius" Root
2. Butler is called by his first name, despite it being against the rules for him to reveal his first name
3. Butler's sister is now his niece
4.Artemis Fowl's mother is gone
5. Artemis Fowl Sr. is captured by Opal Koboi instead of the Russian Mafia, and he knows about the fairies
6. Artemis Fowl is said to be a genius but the movie does not show it
7. Artemis Fowl is extremely childish(in the books he was very adult-like and many people were scared of him)
8. Artemis Fowl does not learn to read Gnomish
9. Artemis Fowl does not escape the time stop, and the bio-bomb is never used
10. They just took the characters, changed them so they are almost unrecognizable, and make a completely different story. Fanfiction writers are better at storytelling
On 9... INTRIGUED DIO BRANDO NOISES
@@Ramsey276one If you're not familiar with the book, when the LEP locate the Fowl estate, the lock in a time barrier to keep in night, because the fairy folk are much stronger at night. It also functions an area for them to set off the Blue Rinse, a bio-weapon that disintegrates all living matter in the blast radius, which they planned to use on Artemis when they were forced to pay the ransom he demanded, or if they couldn't get Holly out of the manor, to ensure no one would know about the fairies.
If you don't much care for spoilers, I can explain how Artemis gets out of that if you want.
I agree with the statement of "fanfiction writers can do better" I read dome fanfic that were pretty great.
@@endlessmisery15 that was one of the coolest part of the books, as it showed artemis using his genius and deduction to escape the LEP. His genius was his main character trait in the books, and they take it away.
@@alexturlais8558 Well, they seemed to be hellbent on removing it from the canon in this film. Killed off Angeline Fowl, made Artemis the good guy.
Disney like to do a "tell, don't show" approach with Artemis' genius as well.
"He's a genius!"
"OK. How?"
"Because."
It’s like the films producers just pressed “randomize movie creation” for most of the story.
Disney movie management must have so many layers, information gets the 'party game' treatment - by the time either the top or bottom get their instructions/status reports, it doesn't even closely resemble what was originally said.
OH NO THEY KNOW OUR SECRET! The seductive power of A.I. was too great, ever since the current C.E.O. saw his kid watching procedurally-generated finger family videos and thought "this... this is THE FUTURE!"
Disney: I forced an AI to read all the Artemis Fowl books and watch every book-to-film adaptation ever made. This is the movie it made.
So, positives: They hired good actors?
Negatives: *literally everything including the positives,* because it sucks to see good actors associated with a bad production?
Accurate summary, or did I miss something?
To quote Nostalgia Critic, "the only bigger insult than having a bad actor in a bad film is having a good actor in a bad film."
Also my dad thinks Kenneth Branagh's an arrogant wanker. He's completely wrong about Donald Trump being an idiot - say what you will about the man's politics and methods but anybody who calls him stupid is either ignorant or downright idiotic - but he's right about Branagh. Actually you can see Branagh's overinflated ego when he hires legends like Judi Dench, Johnny Depp, Michelle Pfeiffer and Derek Jacobi for Murder on the Orient Express. To Branagh's credit, that's actually a pretty good movie but he insisted on making it all about him.
Eh... Not a fan of angel Artemis over there.
- They fucked up the Races/looks And the "Representation"😂
Holly is a empowered Woman!!! of COLOR. They could have had the biggest cake and eat it!!
Believe it or not, i could see from the Trailer alone that this would
be Last Airbender Levels of Failure.
And i also didnt not tell people, but no, you all had to go
and watch it, at least make some money for the creators
of this disgrace, had you?
Had you?
People, we need to stop letting such things go though, we
need to make all the companys and whatnot understand this is not ok.
Doctor Who or Pokemon or whatever, WE NEED QUALITY.
@@slevinchannel7589 well, luckily they didn't release it in theaters, so they did not earn any money from it. I seriously doubt anyone paid for Disney + just to see this garbage movie, the people who watched it most likely either watched it for free or already had an account.
The teaser was decent, there it seemed like they would stay kinda close to the book at leased, and that coupled with how Eoin had been talking positively about it, it did look kinda promising.
That seriously changed when the real trailer dropped though. The biggest part was the fact that he seemed to be doing it to save his father, completely messing up the whole motivation of the character.
Even so, as Dom said in his video about the trailer and predictions, people were still not 100% sure it would be as bad as the trailer made it out to be. I on the other hand was just hoping it would not be worse than Percy Jackson or Eragon. However, I could not have dreamed it would be this bad.
I wholeheartedly agree we need more quality adaptations, and I have hopes in the Percy Jackson TV show in development right now. It will however probably be several years until that is ready to be released.
Also the most insulting part was probably how casually they threw around Butler’s first name...and killing off Angeline.
I genuinely wonder what the point of adapting a book is if you're going to change everything about the source material.
They know the name power gets butts in seats, st least until reviews are out. By which point they've already taken the money and run.
Disney are scam artists who destroy everything they touch. They buy IPs and then cash them out like the above comment explains.
Why don't they do it justice?
1. Then how could they fit in their political propaganda.
2. That takes effort and planning (see lotr trilogy)
@@kyleledermann2473 I'm not saying politics has no role in movie casting (it obviously has) But I don't see how this movie is pushing any agenda? Tbh it just feels like they went out of their way to make every character not as described in the book
Free, low-effort money
@@MaMastoast all the "black washing" and gender swapping of characters just scream political agenda.
So basically they got every single character wrong? It almost seems like a deliberate insult.
pretty sure the most-used words in the writers room was "how about instead"
And then Eoin Colfer all like "no guys, it's an adaptation of the first book, it's fine, don't worry!" Like bruh, stop trying to defend this piece of trash. You should be ashamed of thinking this was good. They destroyed every good piece of your story.
@@HarleysCompass Either he's signed some contract meaning he's got to promote the film or it's just really heavy denial from seeing his books torn apart. Or both.
I've been saying since I watched it that it feels like a big F you to the fandom. Like they gave us a multimillion-dollar middle finger instead of a birthday present.
That or gross incompetence. Honestly can't tell which one.
I feel so sorry for the kid who plays Artemis! He's just a kid! I realy hope, he doesn't get bullied because of this!
Poor him right? He's too innocent to play Artemis.
I agree. I personally hated him, but I wholeheartedly blame the casting director for choosing him in the first place, and the writing for everything else. Kid did the best with the garbage he was given. Hope he gets some better roles soon.
yeah... i really hope the kid gets some fitting roles and has a great career... he sure deserves it after this trainwreck xD
I thought the kid did his best work in the opening scenes that they cut out of the picture. I liked Lara as Holly Short in the film. In her reading from the book, you can see that she has a much better grasp of the book's characters than the writers and director of this movie. I wonder if she might some day become a director providing her career is not tarnished by the disgruntled critics.
Reminds me of the poor kid who played that one tyrant child king in GoT. Apparently he vanished off the face of the earth because he got so many death threats over his role.
To quote the Wizard of Oz in Wicked, "the most celebrated are the rehabilitated." Who doesn't love a good redemption arc? Disney needs to remember that kids aren't idiots.
"Worst adaption since Percy Jackson"
Looks like somebody wasn't tortured with the Mortal Engines film...
Or Eragon.
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Mortal Instruments called.
They're slowly ruining all my favourite book series, please to God I hope they don't do a Sabriel film. I can't trust them ;_;
Actually I think this is a much worse adaptation of a much better book.
Percy Jackson fans: *First time......?*
Eragon fans: *Welcome to the club.....*
Eragon at least works as a movie it completely takes away from the books and doesn't work for anyone that has read the book but I enjoyed it at least
*I WAS A FAN OF BOTH ALREADY THIS ISN'T FAIR*
@@noble_hermit2133 Eragon "works" as a movie. A D-Movie. Everything was so so bad. It was this kind of Fantasy Movie that is done by TV-Channels to fill Saturday Afternoon.
The costumes: Cheap
The CGI: wihtout any inspiration.
The actors: Just bad. All was just bad.
The Props: Just as the costumes.
And the plot was cut down for the mentally impaired.
But you know what really tops it?
The Neverending Story. The absolutely worst adaption ever.
@@profezzordarke4362 well it was done in 2006 I don't really expect it to be like anything today.
@@noble_hermit2133 4 Harry Potter movies that still hold up today came out before Eragon and show that fantasy and magic can be done well if you have a studio that cares.
There’s a part in one of the later books where Holly mentions that the fairies are making a movie about her and artemis’s adventures (I think specifically the goblin thing in book 2). I am firmly convinced that this is the movie they made. Like that play in avatar the last air bender. It’s the only way I can think of this movie without getting...mad.
Then it would even make some kind of sense that Artemis is kind of a good guy because in the later books the fairies are working with him, so that is a propaganda film.
@@salomefredericks6652 This is headcanon now
I think the most baffling decision was the decision to make Artemis the good boy out of some sort of misplaced cowardice about making an evil child.
The books became popular enough for an adaptation, didn't they?! And Artemis was the villain in those books! So clearly people were okay with that story choice!
The mind, it boggles.
This little genius is like 'can i trust you?' and just takes off his sunnies. ARGHHH!!!
the Book Artemis probably already had a mirrored contact lens just in case.
Geohie Kim i think he did have at least one in in the movie if you look closely his eyes do look different colors i think
@@tylittlefield4756 that's because in one of the books while time/dimension traveling he accidentally swapped one eye with Holly, which is also how he was able to use magic in the 6th book.
Geohie Kim but since the movie takes place in the time of book 1, he shouldn’t have different coloured eyes yet,,, he might’ve been wearing mirrored contacts but I feel like that’s giving the movie too much credit
The giant dwarf thing feels really insensitive. They didn’t cast a little person for the dwarf starring role, while casting little people for the background dwarves, and then retconned mulch into a giant dwarf to justify his size, instead of just hiring a fucking little person.
Exactly, if you want to hire a famous actor as Mulch, get Peter Dinklage or Warwick Davis, but make them, you know, a dwarf.
Or do what Lord of the Rings did, use clever scene composition to make a normal sized person look smaller
Or even if they still wanted Josh Gad, they couldn't have employed some of the force-perspective or green screen techniques that Lord of the Rings used for their hobbits and dwarfs?
@@alexturlais8558 Dinklage would be expensive and Warick Davis is the fucking worst
@@anderssorenson9998 Oi, he's a delight!
Dude, Artemis went from: I'll sell your soul to Satan for a couple of bucks.
To: No, the bad TV insulted my daddy **cries**
I haven’t even read the books, and after I saw the movie, I was hit with a wave of sympathy for the fans of the books. As a fan of the Percy Jackson series, I feel your pain. The movie was horrible, even as just a movie. It was rushed, and the plot was hard to keep track of, so that sucks.
It was, and I've never read the books either
Fan of PJO? Same. I'd recommend actually reading the books, they're really good.
At least the first Percy Jackson movie was watchable if you didn’t know it was an adaptation
It's very strange. The plot of the first book is basically a straightforward heist. Artemis kidnaps Holly for the pot of gold that all LEP-Recon agents have in case of capture. And the LEP enlists Mulch to get Holly back. Shenanigans ensue. I don't see the point of replacing that plot with something as convoluted and illogical as what we saw in the film.
Let’s just hope the PJ Disney plus series does better but uhh... from this adaptation... I’m very worried.
Artemis: "I'm Artemis Fowl, and I'm a criminal mastermind."
Viewers: "What crimes have you commited?"
Artemis: "Character Assassination, attempted Grand Larceny (stupid Corona closing the movie theaters), and making this movie."
He stole 90 minutes of my life.
chaoticjusticezero when you put it like that, he's almost as bad as book Opal, who is my most hated villain ever, except maybe Ramsay Bolton
I can hear my younger Artemis obsessed self screaming out in agony
I can hear my currently Artemis obsessed self screaming out in agony very loudly and clearly.
Kenneth Brannagh, who was in Harry Potter: I don't believe any young person could get attached to a character who isn't a good guy.
Draco Malfoy Stans: Am I a joke to you.
Snape fans: HELLO?!
*Spoiler Warning for those reading the books*
What pisses me off most about them using Butler’s first name is that In the book no one is supposed to know it, especially the Fowl’s so that way neither family gets too attached to the other. His name is only revealed in the third book just as he decides to sacrifice himself for Artemis, which makes the scene that much more heartbreaking.
And later when Artemis time travels he uses it to get Past Butler to believe him. THAT is how important Butler’s first name is and they pissed away all that good will and film series gold on a whim.
Yeah. With Butler dying in the third book, there was also a lot of relationship built between the two and that made it really hard to bear and clear why Artemis would move heaven and hell to get Butler back.
ngl you really should have put a spoiler warning bro
@@deadacc2816 It actually doesn't amount to all that much later down the line though.
@@deadacc2816 just put one in there, though tbh I don't see the point of putting up a spoiler warning for a book series that's been out and completed for 8 years ¯\(°_o)/¯
@@deadacc2816 Plus let's be honest you're kinda asking for it looking at the comments section for a youtuber known for comparing books to their movie counterparts....
how about we call this movie 'Arthur Bird' or something, like how we call Percy Jackson 'Peter Johnson'
Yes!! That's hilarious!
Even if it doesn't have the in-universe gag about Mr. D calling Percy something different from his name all the time, it's still funny. I'd go with Apollo Bird, personally
Or “Artemis the hunter” another percy Jackson movie reference
Unfortunately, Artemis is a guy, otherwise you could call it 'Diana Bird' and it would still be correct.
Apollo Chicken
So, basically, it became 'Spy Kids: Artemis Fowl' the movie then?
How dare you insult Spy Kids.
Spy Kids was fun because it knows it's stupid and goofy and leans into it. This was if spy kids unironically thought it was a serious movie
Yep, except Spy Kids is earnest and made with love.
"It was a decision based on a sort of inverse take on what I saw in the books, which was Eoin introducing Artemis gathering a sense of morality across the books. He said that he had him performed as an 11-year-old Bond villain. It seemed to me that for the audiences who were not familiar with the books, this would be a hard, a hard kind of thing to accept." Kenneth
Me:
"your intentions are like a bad underpant: transparent, and unclean,"
"audiences that were not familiar with the books" The people watching this movie are people familiar with the books, dumbass.
@@aileenzhao7951 exactly the people that where excited to watch it where fans of the book, there where little to no new people wanting to watch the movie
I'll never understand why we get this type of thing where it's like:
"The main hook of the popular book is that this guy hates dogs."
"Well, can't have a hero who hates dogs, let's make sure he loves ALL the dogs!"
You mean like if Cruella DeVille opened an animal shelter? :-D
That's gonna be the plot of "Cruella", ain't it?
@@fermintenava5911 Gotta raise the money for that puppy orphanage because Cruella wasn't the bad guy at all, you just thought she was because the people telling the story were lying. In reality, the family was bad and Cruella was the tragic hero trying to save the dogs from a bad situation, lol.
@@dracocrusher
They did end the movie with a puppy mill...
did...did they just blackwash the 'servant' characters? oh...oh no...
Probably also why they didn't want us being reminded through the whole movie that he was a butler.
Kya B and the fact he was never supposed to give his first name
@@gothicanimeangel96 Green Lives Matter xD
@@gothicanimeangel96 I was actually looking forward to some genuine nature tones given how they were described in the books. This is possibly one of the worst series to change ethnicities around in. It just adds another sin to the pile committed by the people adapting it.
They absolutely missed the mark with Artemis. What makes him so remarkable as a character, is how despicable and scheming he is, and yet the audience still absolutely loves him and roots for him. That is truly amazing writing, and Disney just missed the whole point of his evilness.
That requires good writing, and there's a reason Disney is desperately pumping out remakes of movies/books that already exist......
As someone who’s waited over 3 years for these books I’m so heartbroken, these books got me through a dark time with there whimsy and amazing plot and to see it defaced this was actually painful
I remember growing up with these books. They're part of my childhood and they made this mess out of them...On the plus side, really made me want to reread the books again
I did the math, and I've waited nearly 15 years. This book series helped define what I am and I just wanted to see a few of my favorite scenes acted out and I saw none of that. At least it got me to pick up the book again.
I haven't read Artemis Fowl in a long time, but I remember loving it. I'm touched by your pain,but if these books inspired you or helped you get through some dark times, I am glad that no shitty movie can take the love that you have for the series from you.
I knew it would be bad, but not this bad. They took away the most important character trait of everyone except Mulch (although the "giant dwarf" thing was weird and pointless)
*Butler walks on screen, and Mulch says, "Don't call him Butler, call him Dom or Domovoi". HOW DO YOU MESS THAT UP!?*
Book Juliet: Butler's teenage sister.
Movie Juliet: Butler's useless child niece.
Book Holly: First female LEP, can't mess up or she will ruin the chance of others in the future.
Movie Holly: "We think her dead dad betrayed us, any time she messes up, assume she's a traitor"
Artemis is such a mess it isn't worth talking about.
Artemis Sr. Exists.
Opal Koboi is a name they only attached to their new villain to pretend they were using the books.
The thing with Butler sounds like that thing older superhero movies pre-mcu would do where they'd try really really hard not to call the protagonist by their superhero name except maybe make a joking reference to it. Like they think no one who reads the comics will watch it and the movie audiance would deem the movie "too cheesy" if they actually just called them by their name.
@@Troublethecat except what's weird is butler is 1) his last name and 2) part of a long line of butlers who were the origination of the title 'butler'
also his first name was supposed to be a secret as it was part of his training to have his first name only known by a small number of people.
Butler only revealed his first name to Artemis when he thought it would no longer matter, encouraging Juliet to recognise the urgency of Artemis' message in the third book. In the movie, that's completely different.
Regarding the giant dwarf that seems to be a new Disney theme as I’m sure that Marvel Dwarfs where normal dwarf size not towering over all.
"There will be spoilers and there will be nerd rage"
Now that's one way of willingly committing me to sitting though the entire video 😁
Honestly, if they really wanted to use a character in the story as a narrator, they should have gone with Artemis, Holly, or Foaly. All three of them are more involved with the general plot of the book series than Mulch, who tends to be a late arrival to the plot in most of the books.
As a side note, They messed up the depiction of goblins. They still have fire powers but they look more like stereotypical goblins, rather than the lizard-like goblins from the books.
Personally I find Holly to be the obvious choice. But maybe that's just me reading to much into the last lines of The Last Guardian.
Doesn't Foaly narrate the prologue in book four?
In the books the narrator is Root. He's making an incident report and it starts and ends with him.
@@GeeklingNo1 i thought that they were reports filed by the 2 witch doctor psychologists
@@universallyepicnarwhal9102 Yep, and one of them is in the fourth book - Opal's comatose body is kept in (and broken out of) his clinic.
*thing is popular*
Studio execs: "Well people will never understand this. We'll have to dumb it down."
Me: "WHY ARE YOU LIKE THIS??"
The last time I was this early Artemis was still a criminal mastermind.
I'll never understand why these adaptations get changed so much. You have a dedicated fanbase that made the original intellectual property so popular, but then change what made it popular in the first place!
My suspicion: fans are gonna see it either way, and the changes are made to appeal to a wider audience. That's the logic.
@@AGrayPhantom but what audience?
*Movie/Book Differences* the ones that stood out
*ARTEMIS II* is essentially a villain, and 12yo genius. First inspired by rebuilding the Fowl Family fortune after his dad's disappearance , and lost of most of the family's net worth. He is naturally a mischievous smart-a$% with a bad personality (which is why the name 'Fowl' was chosen by the author).
*DOM BUTLER* in the 1st book he was described as being almost 7 feet tall around 200 pds with deep blue eyes, and EURASIAN (think Belarus or Kyrgyzstan) like a white dude with a hint of Asian ancestry
*JULIET BUTLER* Dom's youngest sister was a tall 16yo carefree beauty pageant chick (like a valley girl) who became an expert marksman.
*HOLLY SHORT* is a 3ft tall elf with a slender body, and rounded face like her great-grandfather Cupid, long fingers, hazel brown eyes, auburn hair, and nut-brown skin (book 1 chapter 3) or coffee-brown skin (TAFF, chapter 3: The Seventh Dwarf) like a medium light-skinned black girl, or Latina.
*JULIUS ROOT* commander of LEPrecon, and most successful officer in history, Holly's boss, avid smoker, and most definitely a man.
*FOALY* The centaur who is a tech genius, former classmate of Opal Kobai, conspiracy theorist, and inventor of most of Haven City's advanced technology (his role was understated).
*DR. ANGELINE FOWL* arty's mom who has fallen ill after his dad's disappearance, and is definitely not dead.
*THE PLOT* It's all different! They are suppose to be stealing 1 ton of 24 karat gold, Arty discovers the fairy book in Vietnam then learns of magic on his own, also Holly is captured doing a magically ritual near a tree, not an investigation.
if I missed anything (which i'm sure I did) add in
this is why i say that the fandom can make a better arty movie than the "proffesionals"
OPAL KOBOI- genius pampered pixie bent on world domination, both fairy and human, but is incapable of doing any labor herself, instead having a team of lunkheads to do the heavy lifting while she plans and schemes. Also with a high pitched voice that isn't very intimidating on its own.
Artemis can't preform any physical activity. Buttler don't have white hair. Everyone in the Fowl mansion escapes the time freeze, when Artemis learns about the disappearance of his mother, though Juliet. He uses sleeping pills that he tricks everyone to drink whit champagne, because of Santa Claus.
@@justsomeguy2825 OPAL KOBOI: NOT IN THIS STORY. Seriously though.
Also, ARTEMIS SR: NOT IN THIS STORY.
Juliet Butler: Received the same training as her brother though at the time her Training was incomplete. She was also extremely find of professional wrestling.
Mulch Digguns: A normal sized kleptomaniac Career Criminal Dwarf. Ex-Miner, skilled in breaking & entering, lock picking, scaling building, robbery, tunneling, escaping, be plotting, etc. Knowledgeable about geology, law enforcement tactic/protocol, and human security system/habits.
Ferdia Shaw (Artemis) actually did a pretty good job from what he had to work with. I could easily see him actually pulling off book Artemis (for example, the therapist scene started off really really well [until they pulled his dead mom into it]) if the screenwriters and director could have got their crap together and written book Artemis instead of this low-budget spy kid.
Wow, they turned Artemis Fowl into the most generic thing ever.
Anyone want to play Young Adult Fantasy Tropes Bingo?
1) one or both of the protagonist’s parents are dead or missing
2) our protagonist discovers that his parent had information on a secret underground society of fantastical creatures
3) our protagonist is lauded to be an absolute genius and does everything with minimal effort
4) we have a female protagonist trying to redeem her family name because her father fucked everything up for everybody
5) turns out the reason daddy dearest dragged their name through the mud was because their society couldn’t be trusted with the magical mcguffin
6) our female protagonist and our male protagonist bond over daddy issues.
7)an intense fear of presenting our protagonist with any faults or ill-intentions towards anyone else who isn’t obviously a bad guy, and only retroactively reminding the audience that they’re really outlaws
holy crap i just realized this is why the Amazing Spider-Man series felt off
to be fair 1) holds true in the first novel as well. Or in Angeline's case: bedridden and a screw loose
Bingo
undertakernumberone1 yes, but she is alive, and that is one of the most important things. It's like the only thing keeping Artemis from being a complete monster
@@undertakernumberone1 another thing, after the first book, she gets cured, which shows what anatol said
It seems like "Ferdia Shaw didn't deserve this" is a general consensus
lost some real respect for dench and the guy that played butler though, they had to know what they were getting into
@@tommerker8063 It seems like Dench is having some real issues with her agent, Who knows what she knew when she signed the contract and how it was worded.
Well yeah, it's not like it's the actor's fault for fucking up the story. Sure they can fuck up a _good_ story with bad acting but I'm pretty certain the writing here is self evident.
Thankfully it is. I wouldn’t want a repeat of Jake Lloyd where a child actor gets all the blame for ruining a beloved series when the blame should be going to the adults writing and directing and producing it.
Michal Soukup Makes sense, she also did Cats.
Did you read the book?
Disney: Yeah, I bought it
Buuut, did you READ it?
Disney: ummm I'm supposed to read it?
didn't Artemis have younger siblings after the timeskip? How will they be born now?
You're assuming this garbage was ever meant to have sequels. The entire second book was gutted to bring saving his father and Koboi into this movie, and one of the major reveals of the third book was thrown in as well with no thought.
I shudder to think what a sequel would even try to do for a plot.
The plot twist is that she never died, but been in hiding. For no particular reason than plot, end of the movie she's pregnant.
Next movie, she's nine months pregnant, incapable of doing any yet overly capable of anything. Child is born.
@@matthewwilliams8267 yep she's on a tug boat in the amazon and looses her toes to trench foot.
Hell did anyone catch Senior Arty spoiling the last guardian in a throwaway line?
Ankford Well, I think it’s pretty clear we have a “how to train your dragon 2” - “Aquaman” - “Antman and the wasp” situation where the mom is trapped in a fantastical world and has been developing survival skills and a connection to the land. I’m sure Artemis and Colin Farrell will go rescue her in the next movie.
I love how the main draw to the Artemis Fowl series is...... well...... ARTEMIS FOWL and he isn't even in the movie
This is what happens when you let Gilderoy Lockhart direct a movie.
And yet; Mary Shelly's Frankenstein and Thor were decent films?
It wasn't KB's fault. Watch this space. The truth is coming. Hopefully over the weekend.
To be fair, Thor and live-action Cinderella were pretty good...
@@MGSBigBoss77 I specifically said Gilderoy Lockhart and not Kenneth Brannagh. I was making a joke about Lockart twisting stories to make up his own narrative.
To be fair to Lockhart, he did have his brain scrambled so it makes sense this movie adaptation would be pretty scrambled too 😂 It all makes sense now!
I never actually read the books, but I watched the movie last night. It was really just. Eh. It was so weird that Artemis and Holly became buddy buddy so quickly. And the end where he says he’s a criminal mastermind was royally confusing, like really? He’s hardly done anything to deserve that title. Hearing what was supposed to happen makes so much more sense now.
The only similarity between the books and the movie are the character names. The books are excellent tho, at least 1-4 were.
@@kayleestephens6774 oh I don't know, books 5 and 6 were alright.
7 and 8 lost me.
@@justsomeguy2825 yeah the later ones were okay but 1 thru 4 were my faves
Do read the books, they are so good!
Thier friendship was special " bonded by trauma" and it took them 3 books to be good frnds, disney spoiled that beautiful friendship.🙁
Likes surfing
Is a nice guy
Practices Kendo
Annoyingly good-natured
This lad ain't Artemis, he's flipping Orion. (Atlantis Complex confirmed?)
Oh crap u right! Theory alternative universe where Orion was the one in control
That's what his name was! Good golly, that was bugging me for way too long.
Oh, and Orion was real flirty with Holly.
Oh God you're fucking right
Oh good lord....youre right
I have no words.
So his love for his mother changed from his only redeeming quality to the motivation for his only character flaw
.... dear god this movie.
Wow
How the hell did they do that.
@Just some Guy Complete and utter incompetence, or vastly calculated idiocy
Oh god, I gotta see this trainwreck. Drunk. I reread Artemis Fowl in anticipation of this movie.
One thing is that Bulter and Juilet are not half-Irish. They’re mixed European/Asian (Eastern European going by Butler’s first name) and explicitly described as “Eurasian”. They have been serving the Fowl Family for centuries though so making the Butlers black is just unfortunate. They took an already diverse character and racebent him but whitewashed Holly wtf ;-;.
This feels even worse than Eragon. Eragon was a hot mess that left out half the book but at least it didn’t completely change the core plot and characters.
Exactly, and I will never complain about the Eragon movie again after this
@@NotyourAngel162 One failing does not exclude another failing. By that I mean just because this movies is a very terrible adaption, don't let it be an excuse not to call out other bad (though maybe not as bad) movie adaptations. Imagine this, a family is relatively low income, living paycheck to paycheck and just barely managing to put food on the table, but they aren't starving, at least. Then compare them to someone homeless, even more destitute and hardly knows if he is going to eat one day or the next.
The first family may say "well, at least we aren't suffering like that guy" refering to the homeless person and feel the need to no longer complain about their situation and see a need to improve it. But in reality, both parties are still suffering, and just because one person happens to be suffering even more, it does not exclude the suffering of another (albeit, a little more fortunate). This should be a call to all screenwriters and directors to make better movie, and not whitewash them for the generic audience. We don't need "safe" movies, we need movies that will actually engage the audience in an adventure not told before.
Anyways, enough rambling... XD
Butler's race and name had a purpose too, though not so important. I just can't fathom why studios like to adapt stories with existing audiences and change it so gd much like they don't exist.
I'm just happy LOTR and Interview got treated well way back when. Movies today... 😢
they also made Juliet YEARS younger. in the original she was 16.
@@deadacc2816 But novel Juliet was a blonde ditz. As any Disney executive will tell you, a teenage girl that's beaten in terms of intelligence by her much older and more experienced brother as well as by one in a billion child prodigy, is a firm no-no.
An interesting side effect: fans of the books were actually angry at Colfer for sidelining Juliet in the latter novels. But how was it possible? Could it be that she was the closest to an audience surrogate in this cesspool of geniuses and supernatural beings known as the Fowl gang?
I wonder how many will ever desire any more "Juliet" from the movie.
I like how he freaks out being called a Butler, when in the fowl books, the word Butler came from bring compared to that family.
I can feel the intense dissatisfaction emanating from from him, like a smell.
Is the smell quite (Artemis) foul
No, I think it's all of us collectively.
This movie felt like a prank on the fandom. It's so bad that it has to be intentional.
If only it were truly just a prank.
I hope it was
Megfreakx3 - It’s like The Last Airbender.
@@gamestation2690 noooooope
Sadly, it's really just corporatism. Disney being too cowardly to take a risk and create a truly unique product unlike all their other kids movies.
you know what this made me do? reread the books. I'm genuinely sad that the studio/team/director/whoever didn't trust the source material or the audience and instead made a mess of a baddddd movie.
Me too. I'm planning on going to the book store next day to get them or I might listen to an audiobook
Honestly, this makes me sad I didn't pack the books when I moved, opting to bring my harry potter books instead. XD The tables have turned something fierce.
My response to the previous video was to reread the whole series in audio. Very enjoyable. Then I saw the full trailer. Yelled at the screen. Feeling much better after this - absolutely no need to ever see the film and every reason to add Artemis back in to the regular relistening list. Thanks Dom for watching so I don't have to.
The moment I heard the mom was killed off was the moment I knew the entire series was torched. Minor spoilers ahead, but...
At least one entire later book hinges on Artemis's mom being alive to spark the book(s) entire plot. All I'll say is mom can't get sick if she's dead.
The Paradox book needs his mother to be alive to be part of that paradox to find the cure back in time to get it back. If she's not alive then you can tell there's no point.
Also, her having two more kids is kinda important. There's two characters (admittedly not my favorite characters) who can't exist with her being dead now.
@@lastsonoftennessee9895 Disney completely ruined their chances of adapting any more of the Fowl books because of this very reason, the last two or three have main plot points that are using the twins and Artemis's mother - Angeline getting ill, the twins getting possessed, etc. Even the second book couldn't be turned into a movie now, seeing as Artemis already has his dad. Disney was just digging its own grave with this crappy adaptation.