The 4 BEST SOURDOUGH PROOFING Methods Compared
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- This is how You master sourdough proofing by utilising those 4 best methods. All of the methods are evaluated individually and then compared side by side. This way you will get more oven spring and that mouthwatering ear every time.
We will be covering the proofing stage in depth, having a look at the shaping process first since it acts as a foundation for your following proofing stage. Then we will be having a look at 4 different proofing techniques, reviewing the pros and cons of each of them.
The recipe for the dough:
- 400 grams of bread flour (15% protein), you can mix wheat gluten to get there if you have less protein.
- 100 grams of ground whole wheat flour
- 100 grams of rye starter (20%)
- 350 grams of water (70%) - if you have less protein (12%), I recommend to try 65% water. With 15% protein you can easily go as high as 85% hydration, however, this is my simple same day recipe.
- 10 grams of salt
Instructions:
1. Mix flour and water and let that sit for 2 hours
2. Mix in your sourdough starter at peak performance plus your salt
3. Incorporate everything for around 3 minutes
4. Let that mixture sit 15 minutes
5. Bench knead the dough for 3 minutes
6. Extract a small probe to check bulk fermentation progress. Mark that probe. When it doubled in size, proceed. Make sure the probe stays close to your main dough. Check table.the-bread-code.io/ for more timings.
7. When you see your dough flattened out, apply a coil fold. Try to apply the last coil fold around 1 hour before your dough is ready to be shaped. The less you coil fold, the more open your crumb.
8. Shape your dough directly out of the container
9. Proof your dough like mentioned in this video
10. Bake your dough directly
Flour I am using:
Blog article on different flours in Germany: thbrco.io/blog-flour
Drax Mühle Manitoba flour 14% protein: thbrco.io/drax-flour
For ze Germans - T550 at Rewe 11-12% protein: thbrco.io/rewe-aurora
Mulino Padano 15% protein: thbrco.io/mulino-flour
Flour I am using:
Blog article on different flours in Germany: thbrco.io/blog-flour
Drax Mühle Manitoba flour 14% protein: thbrco.io/drax-flour
For ze Germans - T550 at Rewe 11-12% protein: thbrco.io/rewe-aurora
Mulino Padano 15% protein: thbrco.io/mulino-flour
Strong whole wheat flour: thbrco.io/whole-wheat-flour
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Banneton proofing basket (25cm length, 15cm width, 8.5cm height): thbrco.io/banneton
Cooling rack: thbrco.io/cooling-rack
Digital kitchen scale: thbrco.io/kitchen-scale
Dough scraper: thbrco.io/dough-scraper
Dutch oven for batards (Challenger Bread Pan): thbrco.io/dutch-oven-batards
Dutch oven round (Lodge): thbrco.io/dutch-oven-round
Dutch oven with glas lid (Brovn) - BREADCODE = 5% off: thbrco.io/dutch-oven-glas-lid
Infrared thermometer: thbrco.io/infared-meter
Loaf pan (30cm length x 12cm width x 9cm height): thbrco.io/loaf-pan-regular
Loaf pan with lid (34cm length, 13cm width, 12cm height): thbrco.io/loaf-pan-lid
No stick spray (vegetable based): thbrco.io/non-stick-spray
Oven gloves: thbrco.io/oven-gloves
pH meter to check acidity: thbrco.io/ph-meter
Weck starter jars: thbrco.io/weck-jars
Useful videos:
Debaked ep. 1 - Pizza journey to Napoli: thbrco.io/debaked-napoli
Debaked ep. 2 - Journey to a flour mill: thbrco.io/debaked-flour-mill
Discard starter bread: thbrco.io/discard-starter-bread
Fermentation time table: thbrco.io/fermentation-time-t...
Make a sourdough starter: thbrco.io/make-sourdough-starter
Make your starter more active: thbrco.io/more-active-starter
Recommend sourdough bread recipe: thbrco.io/sourdough-recipe
Chapters:
0:00 Intro
2:18 Shaping a sourdough
5:38 Room temperature proofing
7:22 Fridge proofing
8:42 Hybrid proofing
10:25 Freezer proofing
11:32 Freezer proofing test
15:50 Scoring the bread
17:07 German randomness
17:55 Big reveal
18:28 The final bread
18:50 Outro
Happy baking - and big ovenspring to you. May the gluten always be with you.
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Moin and Gluten Tag. Just wanted to share a couple of other videos that I recommend you to have a look at.
The full process of baking sourdough, A-Z - my masterclass can be found here: th-cam.com/video/NMglhwp2lNs/w-d-xo.html
In general, fermentation is king. Depending on your schedule I would suggest to use one of the methods that I show in this video. This is going to make your bread better. If you have questions feel free to reach out at any time. Cheers!
If you have an instantpot what about proofing in instantpot? I only saw some videos on youtube that seems like they are not using sourdough, the comment say to rise the bread in 15 minutes instead of 1 hour.... But my sourdough never proof in 1 hour. Even when I put it over the fireplace it takes 3 or more hours.
@@voidremoved that would work. Make sure the dough passes the finger poke test before baking.
It is 2:00AM in New York and I have been watching videos all evening. I have learned more from this video than all combined. Too many "teachers" do not know how to explain things to novices , not even something as simple as what one is looking for when you poke the dough. Thank you for making this very clear. I learned more from this video than I have in all the others. Again, thank you. I will be looking forward to watching your other videos but for now ... my butt's going to bed!
Scouring is easier when you dip the blade in water. Great video topic. Thanks for all of your videos. They have helped me get the correct oven spring. Cheers!!
Climbing Mount Everest would certainly be easier than making sour dough bread.
So funny!!!
Just trying to get in to this and did not know it would be soooo intense!!!
@@MariaWeberTGMits intense!
It’s really not that hard. To do it at an expert level yes. But even slightly over or under proofed still tastes amazing. It’s satisfying making your own bread.
I find it most simple to learn break up the entire bread-making process into MANY small parts. This way I manage to learn one or two helpful hints from almost any video clip.
Thanks for making the videos.
Moin Richard. 100%, that makes a lot of sense indeed. I feel the most challenging part is the bulk fermentation with the shaping :-).
So glad I found your channel! Loving the combination of science, passion for good bread and humour ☺️
Thank you so much!!!! I've watched all your videos and have followed closely and feel super confident now about my second bread I'm about to bake tomorrow.... for the second time... wow not perfect but sooooooo close and actually deliciously edible!!!!!!!! So much gratitude! And really imagining how much wasted flour, ferments, bakes and breads without these videos!!!
My new favourite youtube channel! Jut followed your methods after baking every famous sourdough recipes to varied success, and had my best loaf with your tips!
As an American who just moved to Germany and is trying to make bread for the first time… this is exactly what I needed. Thank you 🙌🏻 The flour situation has been so confusing but I finally have a handle on it now
Glad it was helpful!
I LOVE YOUR SPIRIT...IT’S CONTAGIOUS!!!!!! MOIN, it always seems to be Moin, no matter where you are in the world! Thank you for being and extraordinary BREAD human being and GENTILE Teacher...I feel dough requires this. 😘
Moin Deborah. Thank you very much haha. Feel free to reach out with questions at any time!
You are very genuine and thank you for your work. You ooze generosity and kindness, without being stupid. A rare occurrence! I am enjoying your videos very much. I am in the middle of England, baking for charity, and your vidéos are a great help. I am Swiss and would be very keen to know about your take on Rye - walnut - Pain Valaisan on sourdough - which would be very nutritious for people who live in the street. Thank you in advance if you have any advice. But not in a hurry of course. Good things take time. :)
Hi Catherine. Wow - you made my day. Thank you very much, those words a very nice to hear. That keeps me motivated. Also - kudos for working in a job like you and helping people, that's awesome! I can recommend this video, a Schwarzbrot, made with seeds. It is very nutritious bread: th-cam.com/video/cHwLBs9SRd4/w-d-xo.html. It's actually my personal favorite hehe. Pain Valaisan looks delicious. I made a similar version before: th-cam.com/video/nsyjVa5SSQI/w-d-xo.html. I will take note of your suggestion. Thank you.
New Subscriber! Great information and tips! I used to bake 4 loaves of bread, Cinnamon-Raisin & White bread, everyday. I haven't baked bread since my children grew up & on their own.....that was when I was in my mid 30's. Now.....I am getting back into French Pastries & Cardamom Raisin breads like my grandma made. I've been looking for channels that will help me perfect my technique. Your channel clear, concise, informative, and humorous.....a great combination. I never knew that bread making was such an "art".....a great art. Thank you, for teaching us all, to be better "bakers" and our own "Pastry Chefs"! God bless you in all your endeavors!
Moin Diane. Thank you very much for the nice words 🎉. That truly means a lot. Feel free to reach out with questions. Thank you 😎
I found your method of putting a small abount of dough in a jar works well. From the shag time of the dough you put the dough in the jar. After your final shaping you leave the dough out an wait till the dough doubles in the jar then put it in the fridge for the next day. I tried this an ive never been so happy with my bread since. I thank you for shaing your idea.
Nice loaf and very good info. I’m about 7 loaves into my sourdough journey, and very new still. Thank you very much for your video and stay safe!
Moin TJ. Awesome, you are most welcome. I recommend to watch this video on fermentation: th-cam.com/video/nIOPCeLPqrM/w-d-xo.html. It really explains a lot! Happy baking.
Another great video! When we stayed in Suderbrarup, our Airbnb hostess told us that we must learn to say "Moin!", cheerful tone & all. She even practiced it with me! I figured out that if that was all you said, Northern Germans we're perfectly happy, because they're didn't seem huge on conversation with strangers anyway. 😁
If you have some questions and need help on your dough, feel free to drop a comment on this video here. I will be busy this weekend but will answer to all of them as soon as possible. Happy baking! Cheers from Hamburg.
if u have a banneton why are u using these methods bannetons have rings for check proofing mainly right or am i worng ?
Hi! In order to get open crumb with nice ear, shall we build a lot of tension during shaping with violence or just do it lightly to avoid de-gas? How does the bread taste with method 4?
@@lapetitecoccinelle8349 Open crumb does not depend on the tension but oven spring and ear do without good tension bread wouldn't rise enough. without a long time in the fridge only 30 min in the freezer the bread would have not much sour taste since that comes from fermentation in cold temps for a long time so mostly normal bread taste maybe a little sourer than only room temp proof and direct bake but not as sour as bread would be when it is cold proofed overnight.
@Naman - excellent question. As far as I know the rings are so that you have less surface of the banneton sticking to the dough. But yes, you could use them to check the size increase. However, this also depends a little bit on how stiff your dough is. It might not increase as much.
@La petite - like Naman said. However - I feel the sour taste comes automatically over a long period of fermentation. In the fridge it is slowed down and then almost halted to a minimum. I need to check a direct comparison of a slow cold retarded bread and one that has proofed at room temperature.
Hi..I have a question about shaping the dough. Can I shape the dough again after being proofed overnight in the fridge? Because i had preshape and final shaping at the night before but in the morning it just lose its strength and when i bake it, it can't have oven spring.
Thank you ! As a new baker of sourdough I find putting my bread in the Refrigerator before my bake makes scoring so much easier. I live in Fla with a temp . of 78 indoors makes it almost impossible to score any loaf because of the heat . I have done both at least 12 hours in fridge. I also put in the fridge only 1 hour because it was proofed but getting the cold cool made it easier to score . All your points are right on Brother . Thank You 😊
Moin Arleen. Couldn't agree more. The fridge makes it so much easier. Definitely a great tool to have 👍
Thank you, I will have to try placing the proofed dough in the fridge for an hour so that I can score easier. I live in Texas
Love your videos. I'm learning so much!
Seriously thank you for these. Someday I'll get all my baking troubleshooting sorted out and these videos really help
Hi Brendan. You are most welcome. Feel free to reach out with questions any time.
I learned a lot. Like the shaping technique and good explanation finger test. The freezer trick makes sense. Thanks for that. Paul
Danke for taking the time to look at my sourdough, I did use a probe, but next time will exstend the fermentation time. Although, it did come out with a excellent crumb . I used a 75 percent hydration
You are most welcome. In general, proofing/fermenting shorter than too much is advised :-). But for the perfect bread, you need to hit that sweet spot!
great pointers. as usual, leave it to the Germans to engineer bread to perfection. I never made bread or baked prior to 2020. With no where to go, I started making bread watching videos. This one helped a lot, I was not getting a good rise or air pockets. This is great stuff. Thanks!
This is amazing info and you are a fantastic teacher, dad jokes and all.
Haha - sorry. I just had to do it. People at work hate me for my poor jokes 🤣
Yeah u are really correct about protein %, especially with whole wheat! I used a different brand of wheat flour and it was lower than before... I used the same hydration and of course it came out more flat! Always better to start with lower hydration, and can always add water after!
Moin Harley. Oh yes - so true. I fully agree. I like to test every flour in terms of hydration potential. That way it's much less headache when setting up a dough. Happy baking!
Moin & thank you! Awesome. Some day I want to be "in" on this conversation of all the nuances of sourdough as you have presented it.
This is great information! Thanks so much! My problem has been over-proofing. Your instructions will help me overcome that.
And please...no reason to apologize for your English, which is infinitely better than my German.
Moin Gregory. Thanks for the feedback. That truly means a lot! Happy baking and may the gluten make you amazing sourdough bread!
@@the_bread_code P.S. Your Google Sheet is *really* useful. I'm bulk fermenting at 26-29c. According to your table, the entire bulk fermentation at that temperature with 20% inoculation should take around 2:40. I'd been going closer to four hours, based on info from other sources. Thus, my over-proofing issue. Once again, Vielen Dank!
Amazing information about proofing and oven spring. I use my Romatopf to bake my bread. I have had this for so long, it has “made in west Germany” moulded into it. I think you’ve shown me why my oven spring is not always the best. Danke.
Moin and Gluten Tag Sheldon Lipschitz, you are most welcome! Römertopf works great too. I mostly bake on a stone, I love it. Sharing the link here just in case: th-cam.com/video/-iHm0XPAmbQ/w-d-xo.html. Feel free to reach out with more questions! Happy baking.
OMG I finally got oven spring! Thank you so much for this video! I started making sourdough bread to replace the store bought for my husband and son - I am GF so I can't eat this stuff. My sourdough was going well and my bread was coming out good but it was denser than I have seen and then I had a couple of baguettes just not rise much at all in the oven. So I started really delving into the details - and that's where the oven spring is! So I did the bulk ferment like you said, making sure to not over ferment, the first shaping with 20 minutes of rest, and the final shape. Then in the frig for 18 hours. Pre-heated the oven an hour, but was unsure when to take the dough out. I found a blog about this - The Fresh Loaf - but the advice wasn't definitive. But several commenters talked about a book called Bread, so with the advice from Hamelman (haven't read the book, just saw his name in the blog) I decided bring it out a while before putting in the oven - for about an hour and a half before it went in the oven. It looked kinda flat. I thought to myself this will never rise, I am so disappointed, but what else was I gonna do, throw it out? So I put it in the oven at 480 degrees for 10 minutes (per the blog) and then reduced it to 425. When I came back to reduce the heat, low and behold, the loaves had sprung up! But it wasn't until hours later when I cut it that I saw all of those lovely air pockets and open crumb! We were all so excited and my son said it tasted great! Thank you so much for all of the detail here in your video - it actually can be kinda hard to find this instruction. We are now talking about upgrading our equipment so that I can get the perfect crust and even more spring!
Moin Kate. Thanks for sharing your journey. Awesome! I agree, understanding the details matters. Every setup is unique :-). Glad you have better oven spring now. So satisfying, right? Cheers!
Unless you have celiac’s disease (you don’t) then being GF is stupid (you are stupid)
@@makinbacongreasyagain968 What I eat and why I am GF is literally none of your concern. You are a control freak troll.
@@makinbacongreasyagain968 And further more, not for you because you are an asshole, but for others that might read this, going GF is not just recommended for Celiac Disease. I am medically diagnosed with IBS and a GF diet was recommended by my doctor. IBS symptoms can be greatly ameliorated by a GF diet because it is high in soluble fiber. Wheat is high in insoluble fiber, very hard to digest.
Beautiful! Thank you so much!
I enjoyed very much your video. The direct method, leaving everything at room temperature takes a lot of skill. The second method with the cold overnight fermentation is almost bulletproof if you don't over bulk ferment in the first place.I am at 24C in my kitchen that means I can almost do it by time 4 hours bulk and and 1 to 2 hours in the Bannetton than 6 to 24 in the fridge
Moin Sonny. Awesome. Thanks a lot for the comment! Now - those 6 to 24 hours. How do you determine how much you would ferment in the fridge? Is this something that is different from dough to dough?
@@the_bread_code My kitchen is at 24C. I use a 15% inoculation. My fridge is cold, probably about 2° C. So the yeast activity becomes very slow. So it is my convenience when it comes out of the fridge and gets baked. I use the same Benetton and the same dough weight every time. So the only equalizing factor I really have is from the time it goes into the Benetton until the time I put it in the fridge. That is generally the only thing that I vary. I generally wait till I get about a 20% rise in the Benetton before it goes into the fridge. There are many procedures that work this is just mine to try to maintain consistency.
Sooo helpful! Thank you! 🥖
Your bread looks amazing. Thanks for sharing.
I loved the comment about Dutch oven open in moment😍
Nice, thanks! Just realized I might have been slightly under fermenting my dough.
Tip: wait 10 minutes before you do the stitching, the dough will be a bit stretchier and stickier.
Good tip. Thanks for sharing!
whoo whoo Manitoba flour..yes! I lived there in Mennonite community:) Thanks for your in depth instructions. Very helpful.
Another great video. Thanks!
Moin Robin. You are most welcome. Happy baking!
Hi. Another method I have used is put the unscored bread in the oven for 5 or 10 minute, then score the slightly risen crust and the continue to bake it.
Tank you.... 💖From Croatia(Rijeka). 💮
Hi Irena. Greetings back! Hope all is good in Croatia.
My made my first bread came out perfect...thank you
My pleasure 😊. Good job!
Thank you so much! With you I went from alchemy to science. No more rigid recipes or equal timing in winter or summer.
Making bread is now more lively and fun... and the bread is better!
this is super super useful. I always only look at how big it grew, guess they are over fermentated and so was flat. Will use my magic finger nx time! 🤪
Sometimes the stars align and you click on a video that teaches you exactly what you need to learn. This 19 minute video did just that! It has taught me more about proofing than I've learned in the last two years of baking bread. Now, I am going to put my new knowledge to practice! thank you for this video; I've subscribed and am looking forward to watching your other videos. P.S. My husband's family is from the north "Bremen" DO you know any Baurmeisters or Gassman? Danke
Moin!. This is the second video I have watched and enjoyed them both!! What I would find helpful is a time schedule. For example, it would be helpful to know the temperature of the room, what time of day you fed your starter, what time of day the starter hit its peak, the hydration % you are using, what time of day you autolyse, what time you incorporated the starter, time marks each time you roll and fold, time mark for when you shape the dough, time you start proofing, end proofing, and finally, what time you put it in your oven. As a beginner, I am struggling with timings. I realize there are many variables that will affect a schedule, but it would be helpful to see a time schedule so a beginner can have a good idea of what a baking schedule looks like. Ideally, two schedules would be helpful. One schedule for a same-day bake and another for a two-day bake where you proof in the refrigerator overnight.
Moin Sean. Thanks for the excellent comment and suggestion. I have one video covering the whole process from start to finish: th-cam.com/video/NMglhwp2lNs/w-d-xo.html. Hope this works. But yes, different schedules would be excellent :-).
From México, moin and guten tag... and thank you for all the information. Good video.
Hola Jose. Gracias. Cheers to Mexico! Also - I am so hungry now for an Al Pastor Taco.
YOU ARE COOOL! Thank you for this wonderful video
Moin Lakshmi Ramakrishna, you are most welcome! Feel free to reach out with more questions at any time. Happy baking and cheers from Hamburg.
That was very interesting!!! I’m probably 6 or seven sour dough loaves in on my learning curve. I have not achieved a good ear yet, I think this video explains my area of trouble, the proofing! I think I want to employ the hybrid method, some proofing in the banaton and then in the fridge overnight. I need to get the finger test down! I would love to see you do a video on bread that you have milled at home. I’m thinking about getting a Mock Mill.
Klaus
Just discovered you. ..you had me at “gluten tag” lol. My poor bread is always a frisbee. I’ll keep trying. And watching you!
Great video! you are very skilled and fun to watch. I get a big spring. My bread is good. But I do not get the size of bubbles you get ! (BUBBLE ENVY!!!!) So I am experimenting with different things to get it. I actually use a very similar timeline to you. But I do not use as high of hydration. When I have been up around 80% the bread does not get anywhere near the oven spring I am used to getting. Thanks for the great video!
Moin qwarlock Z, thanks for the comment! I'd say 33% of the bubbles is fermentation on time, 33% the technique and 33% the water level. The last 1% is well, luck haha. I recommend to first test your flours % water percentage: th-cam.com/video/s1gM_jziXcI/w-d-xo.html and then make sure you add a lot of strength to your dough: th-cam.com/video/wHL44ONu3so/w-d-xo.html. You are most welcome. I should make a video on this too, how to get a more open crumb.
@@the_bread_code Thank you so much for the reply and for the advice! I will try and experiment! I have you on my watch list and will learn more cool techniques. Def this is a learning experience!
Guten Tag :) Thank you for your videos, can't believe I'm binge-watching bread videos! Could I please ask if you could do a video specifically about the use of spelt flour? It's a flour that even many good bakers are not familiar with and cannot give much advice about substituting/adjusting in ingredients, adjustment of kneading techniques and time, etc. Also a search on Google does not return much systematic information about spelt flour in baking, if at all.
If a video is not possible, even some tips would be very much appreciated!
the greatest to ever do it
Hi! Firstly, your channel is a bible for my sourdough baking and you rock! Secondly, Don’t you feel the freezer technique created two layers of very contrast dough stiffnesses? The loaf still has amazing oven spring, but I cant see the “yield” part of the ear. Also, year after the video, what technique do you mostly use now when baking wheat sourdough?
Great video - I have real bread pan envy !!! The Challenger dutch oven is made for the job (but just a little bit pricey :( )
Moin Rich. No worries. You can bake amazing bread without it too: th-cam.com/video/-iHm0XPAmbQ/w-d-xo.html. That's my default setup. It has made me some of my best breads so far!
Enjoyed very much...
Awesome. You are most welcome!
Fantastic!!!! Morning!!
Moin Deborah! When hotter the fridge method works excellent. Happy baking!
I’m at this stage now and having a hard time getting it right. Dough looks great and fluffy once I put it in the shaping bowl but when I put it in the ref to proof for about 12 hrs, the dough looses it’s fluffyness and becomes a bit flat. Will try room temp next time
Have you ever done a comparison between baking on stone and using steel? I am wondering which is more efficient?
Great video and very useful information as always. I owe all of my improvement in sourdough baking to you! My family is greateful 😆. One last question: do you have info on how to add the gluten to increase flour protein? Thank you again 🙏🏻
Moin Moyra. You are most welcome. Glad you enjoyed the video. You can buy vital wheat gluten online. Then I'd recommend to look at how much % protein your flour has. Let's say your flour has 10%, you could increase it to 14%. Just add 4 grams of gluten for every 100 grams of flour that you are using. That should roughly be fine. Happy baking.
The Bread Code thank you so much!
Another great video. I was doing the combined method but my dough was too active in the fridge. So I changed the setting from 4°C to 2°C and problem fixed 😊
Have you ever added wheat germ to improve protein content of a flour?
Moin Gaby. Awesome. Thank you very much for the comment! Wow, just 2°C. For how long do you ferment then in the fridge, around 8 hours still? I have not done that, I have only played with wheat gluten. That works wonders!
Amazing!!!! it's beautiful!!!!!
Moin Kirsten. Thank you very much. That means a lot! Happy baking.
@@the_bread_code Goeie more Your videos gave me the confidence to try baking bread in the first place..
Can you send a link for the infrared thermometer you used here to measure air/dough temperature? Great video and tips😉
Of course :-). This is the thermometer: www.amazon.de/gp/product/B07NY5RH9X/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1
OMG I have dutch oven envy, all I want now is that challenger pan.
Hi Karen. I typically bake like this: th-cam.com/video/-iHm0XPAmbQ/w-d-xo.html. In this case I just wanted to use it since I was feeling lazy. The method linked is my method of choice and you don't have to invest that large sum. But regardless, it's a great dutch oven :-).
It’s absolutely worth the money I love mine.
Viel danke. ,, you are so funny, Going to try your method next. . I am new to making sourdough bread!
Great video! Did you know that "moi" is the most common greeting in Finland? Among swedish speaking finns like myself, it's also common to use "moin", exactly as you do here. I thought you had learnt it here when I first heard you say that, so interesting to hear that you use it in Germany too!
Moi. Awesome. I did not know this. Maybe that's our shared ancestors?
My maternal grandparents immigrated to America from Helsinki, Finland in 1927. My grandma always talked in her native Finn tongue but knew English exceptionally well. I miss hearing her say those words like "Kiito", etc., and her Finn cuss words when she'd get mad at grandpa....lol. Gosh I miss her and the baking smells of her house.
@@the_bread_code ...actually, I just found out that most of the European nations....Finland, Sweden, Germany, etc., do share a "Baltic" ancestry. My maternal grandparents immigrated from Helsinki, Finland in 1927, when grandma was 10, grandpa was 14. And boy, could she bake Finnish Sweet Cardamom Bread & Paistie. Grandma still spoke her native tongue even though she knew English extremely well. She taught me a lot of Finn.....I miss her.
Thanks for the temperature info. Question: Does this recipe bake the bread covered first, then uncovered to finish? If so, please specify the duration for covered and then for uncovered. Thanks.
Moin Scott. Yep. I bake 25 minutes covered and 20 non covered at around 230C. Bake until your bread has the desired color 😋
Moin from UK, another bread, another fail - BUT, I’m definitely learning soo much. For instance I have just noticed that our fridge actually has a temperature dial which I’ve never noticed before - it was set to 8°C. Sadly, this realisation came too late for my current attempt, following your sourdough master class (again. I feel like ground hog day...). Anyway, should I set the temperature to 6° or 4°C?? I know you mentioned both in this video but what fridge temperature should I aim for if wanting to use method #3? Tomorrow is Wednesday morning. So it will be THE DAY to start the no-knead process, since this time I’ll try touching the dough as little as possible so it’s not my handling screwing things up too much. Would be great to know what you think about the perrrfect fridge temperature by Friday morning when it will be fridge time for Mr. Dough. Now please excuse me, I have to go buy some oven and fridge thermostats....
One suggestion if I may ask. Could you say degrees in F after you say them in C. SUNE does this and it’s so helpful to not lose focus having to stop the video in order to look it up. Thank you. I love both yours and Sune’s content. I’m thinking a few dozen videos more and I’ll be ready to give making my first Dutch oven sourdough bread a try.
Thanks for the great suggestion. I am trying that with newer videos now. Thanks!
Hello! Do you have to wait 4 hours after you remove the bread from the Freezer/Fridge to bake the loaf? Thank you very much
Moin Alejandro. You bake the bread directly out of the fridge/freezer.
Thank you for your video, I usually use the the second proofing method, but I would wonder the dough after long hours in the fridge, the temperature of the dough will so cold, the core part of the dough may be about 4 to 6 degree, if we directly put it in the oven, I don't know how the cold dough would expand easily under hot temperature, I would think let the dough rest for say 30 min to one hour before putting in oven until the dough's temperature get higher, it will expand easily for creating more open crumb, I don't know am I right, please comment.
I’m glad I found your channel, I’ve been having several loaves that were bad.
Moin Erik. Thanks a lot. May the gluten be with you and feel free to reach out with questions at any time!
What is the make of the Dutch Oven you use here? I have never seen one with 4 handles and at the sides of the lid. Seems so much better than the single knob on the top that I have. Thank you.
Moin Vicki. The DO is called "Challenger Breadpan". I like to bake my bread like this typically: th-cam.com/video/-iHm0XPAmbQ/w-d-xo.html. It's gotten me some of the best results so far!
I like that Dutch oven you are using - can you provide details on the brand? Many thanks!!
Moin Carlos. Excellent question! That's called "Challenger Bradpan". But by default I just use my home oven with a small steaming setup. It works great and made me my best breads so far. Happy baking.
Thanks!
Thank you!
Great tutorial. I was disappointed about not having enough oven spring. I'll try again following your advice. Thank you.
Hi Jiwan. You are most welcome. Feel free to reach out at any time with questions!
How can I show you the results I got using your tips?! I evolved a lot in no time! Thank you for sharing! You are great
Moin Vinicius. That's awesome. Well done! Please send me a picture over at instagram :-). Happy baking.
@@the_bread_code what's your Instagram?
Your videos are so helpful ! What kind of flour do you use on the counter ?
Moin yoshie - I use whatever flour I have haha. I have a jar where I put all my waste flour, typically I use this. Maybe I should consider using the same I use for the dough. I have not noticed a big difference. Happy baking.
Hello again. I don't see anyone talking about the additional proofing time that occurs in the refrigerator before the dough reaches that target "below 40 degrees". I would like to be able to figure out how long it takes my dough to reach that temp. Do you include that time in your proofing formula? I am starting to look at it as maybe 2 to 3 hours before the yeast slows down enough to lessen their affect on the dough. I'd love to hear your thoughts on this.
Great question. I have not found a reliable way except to use a pH meter yet. The fridge time for me is always a little bit of a blindguess 😅. If you find a better method please reach out 🙏🏻
Thank you for this video, will give it another try! My first attempt I proofed at room temp for 11hrs but still under, dent recovered quickly but I lost patience so baked it anyway...will the hybrid method make it better? Is my starter not strong enough(passed the water float test)? Or perhaps not enough hydration? Thxx
Try to bulk ferment on time. I can recommend you to check out my full video here: th-cam.com/video/NMglhwp2lNs/w-d-xo.html. Hybrid is great to make the schedule work for you.
@@the_bread_code thank you, will do!
GM... I have a question... why my dough slighly down when I am scoring it? and loose air from the hole where I score it??? Is it a sign of over proofing???
Moin Henny. Sounds like it. Or maybe too much % water for your flour. If your flour has around 10% protein I recommend to go for 65% water or so depending on the flour weight.
Hii.. i have a question about shaping the dough. Can i reshape it again after it beeing proofed at the fridge? Since it lose its strength even though i already had it preshaped and final shaped. I cant figure out what went wrong. Could it be bcs of my fridge temperature wasnt right?
Moin Jacinda. Yes. You can, definitely. The crumb will not be as open. Likely your fridge was too warm, or you did not add enough strength initially. Try using the lowest rack of your fridge the next time.
Hi from west coast USA
Hi there. Greetings back from Hamburg!
Thanks for this very informative video. I'm not getting a good oven spring and I think its due to my starter being too sour. What ratio do you recommend to correct this? I've been doing 1:2:2 and recently I combined during feeding whole wheat flour and some rye. Maybe that's what made it too sour? Thanks again!
Moin Nancy. I'd recommend a 1:5:5 ratio. Then wait until that doubled in size, then use it for your dough. That should do the trick. You can also do 1:10:10. Should work as well :-).
@@the_bread_code Thanks so much for the quick reply, I'll give it a try.
I have a question,,,, Sometimes when I get a good ovenspring it seems like the bread falls or sags a bit when getting cold,, especially after 24 ours,,, How come?
It looses the crispy crust and at the same time it falls a bit,,,,, Is it a way to prevent such a thing??
Try storing your bread at room temperature in a linen bag. The ones you get when shopping. But it's also normal, crust will go away in a humid environment. So the drier the better.
Thank you so much for this awesome video !! I was wondering if you had tried cold bulk fermentation in the fridge as well? It is an option? how would it work ?? Thanks in advance :-)
Great question! Yep. It works. It will take more than a week though. I have tried it hehe.
Can a similar dough be made without sourdough starter? I just want to make a simple active dry yeast dough but with a high hydration. 80% or whatever it takes to get an open crumb.
Hi Garrett. Yes. But you will need to ferment over a long period of time. I would recommend you use 0.1% dry yeast or so. Make the fermentation very slow. Allow the dough to break down. You should be able to get there as well. The hydration % depends on your flour. I'd recommend to start with 65% and slowly try to work yourself up each bake.
@@the_bread_code I'm looking into just buying some wheat gluten that way i can use AP flour. Its been a bit hard to find bread flour.
Do you recommend allowing to ferment in the fridge? Hard to find a good high hydration dough recipe that isnt sour dough
Garrett Serrato My absolute favorite is a mixed starter method of Steve Sullivan’s from Acme Bread in San Francisco. It starts with a walnut sized piece of old dough from previous bake, then builds on it in stages. It uses a small amount of yeast at one stage, but not sourdough (though that old dough - or pate fermentée - is a similar concept). It makes a wonderful bread. The best discussion (& the recipe) of it I know is here: www.thefreshloaf.com/node/25647/steve-sullivan039s-acme-bread-recipe. The actual recipe is in the book “Baking with Julia,” and a great video of Steve and Julia making several breads is on the PBS series of Baking with Julia if you’re a member of PBS, or a not-great copy of the video is on TH-cam (still worth watching). It’s called “Decorative Loaves - Steve Sullivan” (it’s a 2-parter) there.
If you don’t have old dough, that first starter dough can be made a day or more ahead of time. Just look up “pate fermentée,” and you’ll see a whole new world of making bread that’s not sourdough.
I did watch your video a second time. What I'm finding is that when I put it in the fridge I could leave it for 24 or 36 hours no problem I would not be over proofed ..... my fridge is cold.
Years ago I made sourdough and I bought a wine cooler that was set at 13C. And I developed procedures around the 13° see everything was very slow even the bulk was done at 13° C. Total time would be near two days.
I also agree with you that is very difficult to use the poke test on high hydration dough. The poke test is a tool that is my opinion is not very reliable. Today a majority of you tubers are obsessed with 80% hydration. In the 70s I work for about a year just south of San Francisco and fell in love with sourdough. Do you know most of those bakeries we're about 70 to 72% hydration. Almost never went to 80.
I personally like to stay at around 67% hydration for most bread flour but if I do put some whole wheat or rye then I do take it to around 72.
Occasionally I do flirt with some 80° hydration's or even higher but you really do need a screaming hot oven.
Moin Sonny. Excellent points you mentioned. A low temperature fermented sourdough is amazing too. I feel I should also put this into a video sometime :-). I agree - people are obsessed with high hydrations, you can make amazing bread at the % you mentioned as well.
Eye opening info abt hydration level ! TQ for sharing, most appreciated !
Pat W you are most welcome 😎
NIce video, thanks! I have a question regarding diastatic malt. Would it speed up the maturation process? How much should be used? I'm looking for a sourdough bread recipe that's done in a single day, so mixing in the morning and baking in the evening.
Moin losFondos - excellent question, thanks. Yes - it would speed up the process as you first have sugars, which will increase the whole process. That way your dough will inflate faster. But - you can also just do it without it, same day too. I am in fact working on exactly such a recipe currently. I'll share another version, with a little bit of dry yeast here: th-cam.com/video/0kFYyj3WKpE/w-d-xo.html. Stay tuned :-).
@@the_bread_code Thanks, I think I'll make two doughs, one without malt and one with 0.5% malt and mature them side by side just to see if there is any difference. Grüße aus'm Pott!
Perfect😁
Moin tommy wingham, you are most welcome! Feel free to reach out with more questions at any time. Happy baking and cheers from Hamburg.
If you do the fridge proofing for the 24 hour period, do you bake it immediately? I let mine warm up to room temp and the dough stuck to the bennoton as I put it on the baking stone and it lost its form. Came out flat. Thoughts?
Hey. Yep you bake it directly. You very likely bulk fermented too long, or your proofing was too long :-)
Moin to you too. My ancestors are from Itzehoe, so they probably said the same thing.
Just wondering about the finger poke test, it seems too subjective. I wonder if there's a more objective way to know.
Is this some kind of dutch oven at 0:29 or something specifically made for bread baking?
Yes. It's called "BROVN". It's a great way to show what you are baking.
Great details! My struggles are definitely with proofing, not getting that spring after 8-10 hours in the fridge. Going to try the hybrid next.
You got this! Hope it will work out!
Help! My dough which i use very strong wholemeal 335 15.8% protein + some strong white 115g + 50g Einkorn, plus 150 wm starter with only 65% water. It always seems to he ok and firm and then in a cloche, it spreads rather than spring up! What could go wrong? Please help.
Moin Eva. I think it could simply be the kind of bread that you are baking. Einkorn has no gluten, so it doesn't hold together that well. You could try doing a little more strength development: th-cam.com/video/wHL44ONu3so/w-d-xo.html. But I feel it might not be possible with the dough you are trying to make. Try reducing the Einkorn to around 20% of the flour mass. That should already help.
Too bad that I didn't see this video last year before our visit to Hamburg, I would have said Moin to all the people that I crossed. Hamburg is a beautiful city and I love Elfie so much, such a beautiful building.
Moin Henri. Haha, oh yes. The Hamburgians would have loved that. Elfie was expected to cost 50 Million, but ended up costing 800 Million. But I agree, it's a very nice building. Visited it this weekend! Happy baking!
@@the_bread_code like all beautiful buildings or projects they all end up costing 10-20 times more than original budget. Many projects are budgeted very low so that the city or governement councils approve it. Otherwise they would vote no and no project but once it is started they cannot stop it as it's not private money. LOL.
@@henrijakubowicz1421 Yes exactly. Companies bid very low, knowing the planning isn't sufficient and thus they will earn more. In this case the planning company and construction company were in court, they believed the roof top would not hold. It was a 2 year stand-still, without any value being created, just costing money. Lol. But I heard in Sydney it was similar.
What is the name of the special cast iron Dutch oven I’ve seen you use that has a wheat frond design on top and special handles? Who is the manufacturer please? Love your videos, information & presentation! Thank you.
challengerbreadware.com/
Moin Palma. Like Leo said. But - I actually bake most of my bread like this, no expensive tools required: th-cam.com/video/-iHm0XPAmbQ/w-d-xo.html.. It's a great product though. Happy baking.
At almost $ 300 US that is one expensive dutch oven. I guess I stick with my Lodge pan (at $ 45.00 us). I know there are a bunch of manufacturers making artisan cast iron with very high prices. Not sure they do any better than an old used pan or a new pan like from Lodge.
I proofed on the counter and it looks ready but now it's in the fridge for several hours. Is this a problem?
i've been following your videos lately, excellent technical explanations as I'm an engineer myself and like to understand the chemical theory & experiment with various mixes. btw, ,I'm learnign to make baguettes using poolish method (8-10 hrs in the fridge).. However, my oven max temp is 180 C. I couldn't get big air pockets. The hydration is 74%.. people bake baguettes at 240 C. do you have any suggestion how to this fix ? I want big air pockets with crisp surfaces without buying a new oven.. I had a cup of water inside the oven
Moin Arsu. Thanks for the comment. Also - excellent question you have. I think it should be okay to bake at a lower temperature as well. It will just take way longer. Do you have a thermometer to measure? Bread should be ready when core is at ± 95°C. Hope this makes sense. Happy baking.
@@the_bread_code Thanks Jimmy, how
about the crust ? getting the "ears" i believe you need quite high temperature ? so it expands more on the inside and quick sealing on the outer ?
I have a question about sourdough.I've finally got a good process down and I'm getting excellent spring and ears. My question is after letting cool my bread is a bit sticky is that normal for sourdough?
Moin B Quint. Excellent question. That is not normal. It should be less sticky. Could it be that your bread is slightly overfermented? This happens when you touch it after you removed it from the banneton?
@@the_bread_code Oh sorry was not clear, No I have an excellent crust as well. The crumb? is what is a bit sticky after cooling and slicing.
Thanks for the great video ! I'm also located in Germany, and was wondering where you find flour with 15% protein? I looked at all the usual supermarkets (REWE, Aldi, Tegut) and DM, and the best I can find is 12%.. Thanks !!
Moin Aurelio. I bought it at "Metro". You can find a 12% type 405 at Edeka. For online shopping I can recommend you this product: www.gustini.de/caputo-farina-tipo-0-manitoba.html. You can also take your T550 and mix in a little bit of extra wheat gluten. That's what Caputo is doing too as far as I know.
The Bread Code Thank you!!!
Nice video man!
That Dutch oven is fabulous where did you get ?
Moin. Thanks! It's called Challenger Bread Pan. If you consider buying it use "TheBreadCode". You will get 10% off and I will also get a little bit :-). Only if you want of course. But you can also use my regular oven hack to bake amazing bread: th-cam.com/video/-iHm0XPAmbQ/w-d-xo.html
Moin,,, thats cool,,, In Norway we have something similar,,, we say 'morn' as hi or 'morna' as good bye,, 😉
Some say morn morn,,, but thats over the top indeed,,, no one ever says morna morna though,, 🤣🤣
😂 😂 😂 😂 😂 awesome. I feel the more north you go the more careful people choose the words. Norway is an awesome place, my family loves to visit. My grandpa was a fisherman who fished in front of the coast.