Hey Zsolt! I have followed a lot of your stuff and already implemented something similar using breadcrumbs. We share the same sticking point. I have, in some ways, tried to get around this by telling more upon maps of content than on individual notes as continuations of ideas. One of my major issues, as someone whose field required extensive lit reviews, is that many of my notes are on a parallel plane. Thus, instead of making a single permanent note the parent with a large number of children, I make an MOC the parent until I can split it into even more MOCs. I try to cap any MOC at 10-15 links to children notes. Once I split them off into lower MOCs, I go into the metadata and change their parent note into those MOCs. This has worked reasonably well for a line of thought consisting of 150+ permanent notes. I always know where to put new notes. When my notes are the child of multiple notes, such as a double bouble map of the key ideas of two notes, I make both the parent. This isn't standard ZK, but lets me see how it relates to both sides.
I'm also working on a comprehensive workflow on my personal obsidian site, from acquiring sources and putting them into zotero all the way through creating a final product and recycling biproducts for future use. I use Excalidraw in it for idea generation in several steps. Let me know if you would like to see it once it's done 👍🏼!
Great. This is very helpful. Especially the idea to collect permanent notes under a subject until I have enough collected that it makes sense to break the MoC and organize thoughts into a hierarchy... I don't think there is a "standard" ZK, only a practice by Luhmann that we can learn from. His approach was limited by technology. Also in biology everybody has two parents... so why not with thoughts?
Great video thanks for putting in all the time and effort. I am tempted to turn your videos into drinking games where we take a shot every time you say double bubble, but I dont think I'd make it 😂
yes, I was thinking about that as well... I got similar feedback on another video about the double bubble map:) I promise I'll have a different word for drinking the next time
Deep stuff. I need to watch this a few times and build something similar to have it sink in. A downloadable starter vault with a super-simplified example would be great, but I realize it is a big ask and I probably need to do it myself to fully grasp your concepts. I'm thinking Parent1 ("P1") has Child1 ("P1C1") and Child2 ("P1C2") is related to child of another parent "P2C2", with these displayed in ExcaliBrain and ExcaliDraw like the HtTSN example reviewed. Thanks again.
Hi Zsolt, is there any way to show at a glance the notes (Markdown) into an excalidraw mindmap? I'm creating a Mindmap for a large topic, and making small notes to explain every detail of the topic. But the option "Excalidraw: Insert markdwon file from vault" will insert all the information/text into Excalidraw, which makes my Mind Map difficult. I just want to have a glimpse of the small-notes(atomic-note) when I look at the mind map. Please share your thoughts on this Zsolts. Thank you for your time and effort to make this wonderful thing happen.
Open excalibrain settings. Scroll down to the bottom of settings where you can set the link styles. Select base link type (selected by default) and turn on "show label on link", set text color and opacity and you should be able to see the link text.
Such a helpful video, thank you! I really like the idea of including a md document into a double bubble map! One thing i wonder if it is possible to change, is the fact that 'the idea' heading is currently bigger than other text on the slip note, but it does not carry unique information (the structure of the double bubble map already tells us that it is the idea). Is it possible to change the font size or exclude the heading all thogether?
It is possible to hide or format how the "Idea" header is displayed. See this video about styling of markdown embeds: th-cam.com/video/K6qZkTz8GHs/w-d-xo.html As an example solution, add the following front matter to the permanent note that you want to include in the double bubble map. This will hide the "Idea" header section. --- excalidraw-css: "h1 {display: none;}" ---
Where do you get emoji's for the styling prefix? I installed Emoji Toolbar, but it won't open in the prefix dialog. I can only copy/paste from the .md file and end up with a monochrome icon instead of the colorful one that shows up in reading view.
@@VisualPKM Thanks for the reply, I didn't know about the emoji picker. I'm on Linux KDE Neon and Win + [period] opened it. The problem, however stemmed from noto fonts not being recognized; once I fixed that, the black and white icon was already colorful when I opened ExcaliBrain settings. My permanent notes now have a red push pin 📌 Thanks again!!
Monotone - hard to listen and follow when you do not express any order of priority or sequence to your presentation. Thank you for effort though. Sounds like interesting and complex ideas, but no sense of story.
Thank You!
"Double-bubble-map" ist now my favourite word! 🙂
Hey Zsolt! I have followed a lot of your stuff and already implemented something similar using breadcrumbs.
We share the same sticking point. I have, in some ways, tried to get around this by telling more upon maps of content than on individual notes as continuations of ideas. One of my major issues, as someone whose field required extensive lit reviews, is that many of my notes are on a parallel plane. Thus, instead of making a single permanent note the parent with a large number of children, I make an MOC the parent until I can split it into even more MOCs. I try to cap any MOC at 10-15 links to children notes.
Once I split them off into lower MOCs, I go into the metadata and change their parent note into those MOCs. This has worked reasonably well for a line of thought consisting of 150+ permanent notes. I always know where to put new notes.
When my notes are the child of multiple notes, such as a double bouble map of the key ideas of two notes, I make both the parent. This isn't standard ZK, but lets me see how it relates to both sides.
I'm also working on a comprehensive workflow on my personal obsidian site, from acquiring sources and putting them into zotero all the way through creating a final product and recycling biproducts for future use. I use Excalidraw in it for idea generation in several steps.
Let me know if you would like to see it once it's done 👍🏼!
I would absolutely be interested to see it (even before its ready :) )
Great. This is very helpful. Especially the idea to collect permanent notes under a subject until I have enough collected that it makes sense to break the MoC and organize thoughts into a hierarchy...
I don't think there is a "standard" ZK, only a practice by Luhmann that we can learn from. His approach was limited by technology. Also in biology everybody has two parents... so why not with thoughts?
@@VisualPKM I will send you the link to the first draft once it's in working order. As it stands now, it's half in my head and half in Obsidian 😁.
Great video thanks for putting in all the time and effort.
I am tempted to turn your videos into drinking games where we take a shot every time you say double bubble, but I dont think I'd make it 😂
yes, I was thinking about that as well... I got similar feedback on another video about the double bubble map:)
I promise I'll have a different word for drinking the next time
Deep stuff. I need to watch this a few times and build something similar to have it sink in. A downloadable starter vault with a super-simplified example would be great, but I realize it is a big ask and I probably need to do it myself to fully grasp your concepts. I'm thinking Parent1 ("P1") has Child1 ("P1C1") and Child2 ("P1C2") is related to child of another parent "P2C2", with these displayed in ExcaliBrain and ExcaliDraw like the HtTSN example reviewed. Thanks again.
A starter kit is a good suggestion. Thanks. I'll see what I can do.
Hi Zsolt, is there any way to show at a glance the notes (Markdown) into an excalidraw mindmap?
I'm creating a Mindmap for a large topic, and making small notes to explain every detail of the topic. But the option "Excalidraw: Insert markdwon file from vault" will insert all the information/text into Excalidraw, which makes my Mind Map difficult.
I just want to have a glimpse of the small-notes(atomic-note) when I look at the mind map.
Please share your thoughts on this Zsolts.
Thank you for your time and effort to make this wonderful thing happen.
Hi Zsolt. How do you enable the ontology to show in the Exalibrain chart on the link? (relateto, friends, etc...) Many thanks
Open excalibrain settings. Scroll down to the bottom of settings where you can set the link styles. Select base link type (selected by default) and turn on "show label on link", set text color and opacity and you should be able to see the link text.
Such a helpful video, thank you! I really like the idea of including a md document into a double bubble map! One thing i wonder if it is possible to change, is the fact that 'the idea' heading is currently bigger than other text on the slip note, but it does not carry unique information (the structure of the double bubble map already tells us that it is the idea). Is it possible to change the font size or exclude the heading all thogether?
It is possible to hide or format how the "Idea" header is displayed. See this video about styling of markdown embeds: th-cam.com/video/K6qZkTz8GHs/w-d-xo.html
As an example solution, add the following front matter to the permanent note that you want to include in the double bubble map. This will hide the "Idea" header section.
---
excalidraw-css: "h1 {display: none;}"
---
Where do you get emoji's for the styling prefix? I installed Emoji Toolbar, but it won't open in the prefix dialog. I can only copy/paste from the .md file and end up with a monochrome icon instead of the colorful one that shows up in reading view.
what operating system are you on? On Windows you can open the built in emoji picked by pressing Windows logo key + . (period)
@@VisualPKM Thanks for the reply, I didn't know about the emoji picker. I'm on Linux KDE Neon and Win + [period] opened it. The problem, however stemmed from noto fonts not being recognized; once I fixed that, the black and white icon was already colorful when I opened ExcaliBrain settings. My permanent notes now have a red push pin 📌 Thanks again!!
Monotone - hard to listen and follow when you do not express any order of priority or sequence to your presentation. Thank you for effort though. Sounds like interesting and complex ideas, but no sense of story.
Thanks for the feedback. I know this is an area I need to work on - but it is easier said than done :)