P320 Does Not Fire Out of Battery
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 9 เม.ย. 2023
- My breakdown and analysis of the video where a shooter’s custom P320Max on an AXG grip module detonates supposedly due to an out of battery (OOB) condition, and why I don’t think that is the case.
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case head separations that I have personally had in the past look a lot like that right there. Weak or used up brass, shooting heavy bullets, with super fast powders....
“Custom assembled “ that says it all right there.
Expert analysis Riley. Thank you for the detailed play-by-play
everyone want's to bash the P320. since the trigger update none of the "Gun going off by it self" has been able to be replicated. I've owned a few and have never had any issue with any of them .
You can tell by the amount of discharge that there was much more in the case than the loads shot prior. He's just looking for compensation for his bonehead mistake.
Yep! Typical.
Why would that make it explode?
@@920WASHBURN Because the expanding gasses travel much faster than the bullet so it looks for the path of least resistance, which is usually to the rear.
@@jado4149 so if there's not enough gas to push the bullet out, the gas will escape somewhere else?
@@920WASHBURN you’re really asking why putting too much powder in a cartridge will cause unintended effects?
That is evidence of a double or triple charged round there. I’ve reloaded 100k+ 9 mm loads, and I have to triple check the charger in each case to avoid issues exactly like this. With evidence like this, it’s obvious to me that he overcharged that case big time. He’s got a lot of balls trying to claim otherwise.
i swear i was finna ask was he shooting reloads until i read your comment. Thats an ammo problem 100 percent. He may not admit it, but yes is the ammo and how that round was loaded.
My 229 did this but no visible damage on mine and I know it wasn’t a double charge. It blew out the right side of the case and the case was clearly not all the way in battery on inspection. One thing we all have to realize is that machines is fired enough wear out and sometimes bad stuff happens. Fortunately, nothing happened to me.
Great analysis Riley!
Solid analysis. Thanks, Riley.
The second I saw that round go off I was thinking over charge. The second you said reloads I dismissed this shooters claim. Even his video has visible proof of his mistake.
Great analysis!
Awesome job, Determining the failure
Very interesting, especially considering reloads.
Funny he's like, nope not my fault. Are those reloads? Uuuh well, yeah, but ignore that nothing to see here.
Bubba's pissin hot reloads lol
Great analysis Riley, thanks. Did his kids help him reload?
Great analysis. Defiantly looked like a hot rd IMO
That looks to be either contaminated powder, or even a completely different powder. The smoke is considerably massive. The slide didnt cycle. Something is definitely wrong with the charge imo.
Looks like a spicy round detonating to me.
It would be nice to see the spent casing….all of the answers are right there…
I have a 320 Xcompact have shot 400rds through it and its ran well except one stove pipe due to a mag, but other than that its been good. There seems to be too many people hopping on the sig hate train, i think what Sig should do is release a video addressing the concerns.
It’s not all of their guns that have problems. It’s the fact their QC is spotty at best. I have 5 Sigs currently, so I am not at all a Sig hater and love many of their products, it’s just that their QC sucks. I don’t believe they fire out of battery, but the issues I’ve seen from people I know personally with Sig like a 365 that rusted basically out of the box. One buddy got a 320 that was just a lemon out of the box. Then the thighs you see online about 365 not firing unless you shake while you pull the trigger. I also have a 365 XL with a new optic plate mount that was impossible to get the optic plate off. I had to send to Sig to remove. It’s a lot of little things like that shows they are much more worried about quantity over quality. I know everyone can have a lemon, but I have never personally seen or had someone I knew have a negative experience with a Glock or S&W or CZ pistol. But Sig has a lot of problems and it’s hard for me to trust one right out of the box or even prior to 1,000 rounds.
I own the Macro and XTen. Nothing wrong with the Macro, but I still don't trust it enough to be an EDC. The XTen mags aren't reliable, the rounds will fall out of it because the mag spring and follower stick and don't 'follow' the rounds as they are ejected. I don't trust SIG at all at this point. Sticking to Glock and H&K.
I put 1200 rounds through my xcompact no issues. Was a reliable gun but I traded it in for a Glock 19
I’m not a 320 guy if I go Sig I go 226 229 series but that’s just me. Walther for me 🙏
Walther makes a fine gun. 👍
@@RileyBowman sure do!! I love my PDP so much so I’m getting another lo l
Im a Sig guy but just recently picked up a PDP and all i have to say is man why did i wait so long lol?
@@straplyfedj that’s what I’m saying. My PDP I’m in love with… better trigger more crisp way better ergos and it’s just as accurate as any Sig.
@@tacticalbt1023 im looking for a lie i cant find one lol
Looks like a, " Case " of tired Brass ?
Wonder how many times that Brass was recycled ?
🤔....?
Frivolous lawsuits from different negligent discharges
this happened to me. the p320 has a very unsupported chamber, where a good portion of the rear of the case isnt even in the barrel. as to why sig designed it like that, have no idea. a double charge would have sent that gun flying
Keep telling yourself that
At what point in the loading process did this “out of battery” detonation occur? Because the round is not fully seated on the slide until the round is in the chamber. Unless you have figured out how to make a P-320 into an automatic weapon in which the round is somehow seated on the face of the slide prior to going into the chamber you did NOT have an out of battery detonation. So you are either full of $hit or you don’t understand how a pistol works. What you had was most likely a ruptured cartridge. Guns don’t work the way you want them to work just because you want them to work that way:
Mine jams quite often
@@fullfire0 by all means keep kissing sig's ass. They will return the favor and discharge a round into yours.
@@kevinallies1014 I absolutely love when people try to fan boy so hard that they pretend manufacturing errors have never happened 😂.
I don't even have anything against the gun/company But it's pretty obvious your a bit too naive to even give advice or criticism 😂
I've been eyeing that gold grip pads going to have to get them soon
My first thought when I saw this was, “that’s a spicy reload”. Reminds me of the round that almost killed Kentucky Ballistics.
Looks like a hot round to me too. Nice brake down!
Looks in battery to me!
That is absolutely NOT an out of battery firing...that gun would be completely destroyed
Excellent analysis of a gun range day gone bad. Can’t blame anyone but yourself for being there. Sh#t happens.
If gunpowder is not contained in a barrel and case during detonation it produces way more smoke and fouling due to incomplete ignition.
There would be way more smoke in a out of battery detonation when a case head ruptures
That seemed like a hot hand load.
Interesting. I’m no expert and what you are saying makes complete sense. But it does make very leery concerning this brand with the other problems that have been reported. 😬
Had to be a double charged hand load. This happened once to me on my G35 .40. Miss load on my part. Blew off the extractor.
Who's video is that of the P320 firing ?
Say what you I witnessed a sign P320 discharge in a man's holster at a range, thank goodness the round deflect off the Iphone he had in his cargo pocket. Luckily he wasn't hurt but I'm sure the phone cost more than the the gun. Sig knows there's an issue and they are to fix it quietly!
Absolutely 100% an overloaded round, smoke, out of battery, broken glass
Looks like bad round! Back of case blew out!
I've personally had 4 different p320s in various configurations, including a contract overrun M18, constantly fail to go into battery. I've never had one be able to fire without being in battery tho. Still an absolute trash pistol regardless.
Where these hand loads? To cheap of ammo can cost way more than we think.
Optic saved his eye.
IMO.. it's a case of an overcharge💥
To me personally; none of this requires explanation. As soon as I hear: "handloads, reloads or user-modified" equipment; my default position is "user error".
For me, anytime a pistol or rifle is out of battery, I get a light strike and no bang, if the trigger is even able to be pulled.
Yeah, bad round. To hot, bad case, overpressure, all seem more likely, based on the video and most people's experience.
Need an explanation or fix before i rely on this platform outside of work. Gonna have to carry the fnx or the p229 until this is fixed and not settling out of court and forcing nda
People think just because of sig past they can get a easy lawsuit or just want to attack sig when most of them are user error. Milwaukee police i 100% believe its from lack of training. What cop would admit they shot themselves? Egos. Those that cry about sig guess what you bought the gun. Lol. You can trash em break em bash em. Someone paid for it.
Custom assembled=Frankengun
No gun with an internal firing pin block safety can fire out of battery. That passive safety makes sure that only the trigger bar can disengage that block that is located in the slide. For that to happen the block has to be positioned in line with the trigger bar and that means the slide must be forward fully in battery.
Exactly!!!
Firing block safety can be designed poorly or grossly out of spec. Many competition guns have shitty firing pin blocks in order to have better "trigger feeling", not uncommon with some custom CZs and other european pistols.
I know various M17s that had a safety notice because the firing pin block was shearing off. The M17 has its FPB built into the striker assembly -- it's not a separate component in the slide like most other striker fired designs.
@@Nuke-China Well we know why the P320 has had the problems it has had when SIG tried to put a striker FCU into the double action frame of the P250 rather than designing a striker frame in the first place. There was not enough room for the striker FCU in a P250 frame. It was SIG's first striker pistol and they had a learning curve that was rectified in the P365. But the problems have been fixed in the P320 as they have come up. If a FPB safety was breaking then it was because they had a bad batch of them that were not heat treated right in the MIM process.
@@lucastonoli3256 I have also seen Canik TP9s where the FPB safety had too small of a surface area for the trigger bar to disengage it if the bar went out of alignment. This caused a dead trigger because the FPB safety was not disengaged. Like you said, some have been designed out of spec. Then there is the hair trigger crowd that compromises the safe function of the pistol with aftermarket parts just to have a lighter trigger and yes they pay the price in the long run. No striker pistol trigger is ever going to have a clean breaking trigger compared to a 1911 hammer fired no matter how its modified and even if it is then the pistol will no longer function safely. The striker trigger design is just inherently sloppy on the break.
Enhance...enhance...enhance.
Yeah doesn't look like it was OOB.
Seriously, stick to factory ammunition and stock firearms for functional parts (add optics, lights, lasers as you see fit). When you start to mix and match parts and use hand loads, you're asking for trouble!
Why am I seeing this happen so much more? 308 zsr incident now this
This gun has been nothing but trouble.
It's highly dangerous and has been called so by numerous law enforcement who have had problems with this gun. It's hard to believe that Sig keeps denying there is a serious problem. It is and will do a great deal of harm to their reputation.
most problems were due before the recall. All other problems are idiot related, like this one. Sig even won all court cases hands down. Also when u customize and reload, the gun isnt stock anymore, like this one. Bottom line, u have to know what you are doing, or just stay stock.
Looks like he blew a primer
It’s weird any claim would be made beyond ammo.
Looks to me like he pulled the trigger. Overloaded round for sure. Too much discharge from gun powder
Amateur reloader. Over pressured ammo with lots of white smoke. It’s been a minute since I’ve done it myself, but that looks like some incomplete combustion. (Don’t confuse that with low order detonation. That has to do explosives and white smoke is a welcome visual besides the boom.)
I don’t get all the self videoing. Just get out and shoot and enjoy it. If you’re using hand loads for self defense, then I would suggest keeping an attorney on retainer.
The Sig Armorer has a video on FB that describes how the P320 can fire out of battery. I'm not saying this one was the result of OoB but it seems this has been happening a lot with the P320.
Obviously not the failure of the firearm. Don’t play with guns folks because they do have their limitations!
I was reading to this person make his posts. Stopped listening to the moment he says reloads. I apologize, maybe he did, maybe he didn't. If you reload this is a chance you take. Much like the mysterious Glock Kaboom we have all forgotten about.
Memories are short…
Your memory might be a bit foggy, but Glock solved their KBs through modifications to the amount of support offered by their .40 models chambers.
@@lucastonoli3256 no it’s pretty good…..
Occasionally a 9mm one would kaboom in the competition circles but yes predominant it was .40 Glocks.
@@rurouniad 9mm KBs were never associated to an issue with the pistol itself. People do make silly mistakes while reloading, no gun is immune to that.
Faulty designs are a different issue entirely. A lot of the SIGs blowing up lately (one competition in particular had 3 different SIG owners with exploding pistols) shown cases with deformation in 9 o'clock area, chamber support in the P320 isn't great.
@@lucastonoli3256 there is some assumptions about chamber support and 9mm p320 being made but the biggest common denominator is the likely use of reloads and the potential for accelerated wear or even maybe a “bad run” of barrels by an unquantified amount.
Double Charge is my Guess
P320s have out of battery safeties built into the gun. So no, it was not an out of battery detonation. The gun literally cannot do that. It was 100% an ammo issue.
Lol
"anything that can go wrong will go wrong"
Whose to say a part didn't get worn down, or messed with when deep cleaning, messed with by a gunsmith, had issues that did not get caught by the company before being sent to a shop. It's hilarious to see people claim it's impossible. Like it or not nothing is perfect.
I've never shot one of them so I don't even have anything against the gun or company lol however You could spend 1000s on a gun just to have a literal sliver of metal fall into a place where it's not supposed to be.
Just ask the guy that is currently having problems with the aft over an accidental full auto from a sliver of sheard off metal.
Having something built into the gun doesn't mean it will work. Tolerance stacking is a bitch.
@@Nuke-China when the gun has 4 safeties. Then redundant safeties behind those 4 safeties, and half of those safeties have springs to deactivate or hard stops your going to have to explain how those springs and hard stops magically move themselves. That's like saying my bow and arrow shot itself. It's also why SIG has won every single case that has gone to court on this because not a single "victim" has been able to prove how all of the safeties failed mechanically. It's simply impossible without the trigger being pressed.
That last shot looked like blk powder lol
I’m not an expert but just by the white smoke seems like overcharge. But I’m just an armchair quarterback…. So just ignore me and thank you for your time lol 😘
Bubbas "Pissin Hot" Reloads, strike again!
Yeah I agree with your evaluation of what happened it almost had to be to hot of a charge he made a human booboo is what happened.
Ive never understood reloading rounds. Unless you shoot competitively and are putting 10s of thousands of rounds through your guns or you run a true race gun that needs tailored loads, i see no point. Never have and never will. My dad reloads his and is meticulous about it and i still refuse to use them. The juice just isnt worth the squueze imo. Granted i know you can get bad factory ammo too but the amount of kabooms you see from reloaded ammo vs the millions of rounds of factory new ammo, should be enough to sway you away from reloading.
I’m just here to read all the sig fan boys doing damage control
It’s funny that you waste your time looking for “fan boys.”
@@RileyBowmanwas taking a shit so not much else to do
@@Ben-lo7cy fair enough. Lol
I don’t trust SIGs 🥴. R.I.P. the Romeo lol.
Over pressure round.
ReF...ing Loads.....as most of the time........
You play around long enough mistakes are made. Even you you think you are careful. Overcharge
RELOADS...! Say no more...🤪
people will do anything but accept the fact that their favorite gun is unsafe lol
I love this breakdown! And your opinion!
But last I checked I gave you 0 permissions to use my video.
We can discuss it!
Or I can report it. I’m glad it’s up! I want people to talk about what happened! And share their opinions!
But I won’t have videos of me being posted on TH-cam without consent.
Let’s talk about it.
Yikes...
My dude, youtube allows for this kind of content.
I think you’re dead on
Definitely bad brass..
Still too many bizarre issues with the 320 being reported for my liking.
I can tell you from personal experience. I have had my p320 max blow up twice with factory ammo. There is a situation with these guns.
Avoid all this plastic fantastic garbage-just get a Staccato and avoid all these clown town guns
SQUIB…
No, because we can see that the round immediately before the last one discharges normally.
No squib. You hear bullet impact on steel on previous shot.
Yes. The Sigs do fire out of battery. This whole video is EASILY disproven. Why are we seeing p320s fail at a significantly higher rate than any other gun? Do you think that gun idiots that hand load their ammo only buy Sigs? No. They buy all kinds of guns, but you don't see nearly as many Glocks, CZs, HKs break when you shoot hot ammo through them.
Siggers are just in denial that their gun is trash. From P320 drop safety issues, Poor p365 and MPX rollouts, x macro rust issues, FOB issues from “bad ammo,” $2500 MCXs with bending barrels/hand guards, and now Monteville PD released a video of a P320 going off in a level 3 retention holster.
I've never seen a company with so many qc issues, yet their fan boys continue to pretend and tout the company as a gucci and premium brand. Cope harder sig fan boy
My 5x legion has 5000 flawless rds with many different ammo manufacturers. Belmo 9mm is the only ammo I had problems with but it was with all my 9mm hand guns and some friends. Junk ammo
Looks like a double charge. It's out of battery because of over charge.