I very much liked your idea when trying to decide on a light weight, packable climbing method for saddle hunting. I combined yours and another guy that used board to climb. Instead of the webbing steps I girth hitch a second tether around the tree and attach a DIY 3 step rope ladder (made entirely from 8mm climbing rated rope, steps alternate right-left-right up to platform board)suspended from a piece of oak lumber about 2x3x21 inches in size. Once at hunting height I secure the oak board to the tree with a ratchet strap transforming it from a climbing tool to a sturdy platform. Everything except the board/rope ladder fits in a couple ammo dump bags attached to the molle webbing on the saddle. This may not work for everyone, and I’m sure there’s multiple opinions on how one should climb a tree, who should or shouldn’t be climbing etc. I’m writing this for the person that isn’t quite satisfied with the method they use or just wants to try something different. I’ve tried climber stands, sticks, ladder stands etc. and at this point this works for me in most situations. If this gets enough likes I’ll consider posting my own video and link to yours and the other guys video. I like your content, keep posting videos, very informative.
The OG youtuber to all the mobile stuff. I remember watching your 1 stick video. Man people just dont know you have all these old videos before all the big marketing stuff came out
FYI I just made one of these and I joined the two ends with a frost knot, and then tied overhand knots every five inches for the first 40 inches, and then left 36 inches untied before making three alternating steps (which I reinforced with tygon tubing and a cobra weave of paracord at the bottoms to hold shape). This gives me a lot of options for how much goes around trees of different diameters, and then also allows me a lot of versatility in how far up the girth hitch is above the lowest step. Thanks for doing all these videos, they've been invaluable in my learning process.
Rick Finsta Awesome. With the overhand knots you tied you could also probably use a carabiner instead of girth hitch. The way mine was tied, it would often loosen up and slip down the tree if using a carabiner.
That's a great idea! My first time out trying to use this I was going up a red pine and the constant attaching and detaching of the girth hitches was problematic since I had to do it constantly (branches every three feet or so and climbing to a height of about 30'). I ended up just climbing the tree like a kid would except with a safety attached all the time. I thought about using carabiners instead of a girth hitch on my safety tether there as well - it would be much faster! BTW the little 5" loops also mean that you've got a dangling line of little handles if you get in a bind and need to pull yourself up or steady yourself with your arms.
My kitty cat Oreo is up a pine tree right now. Shes about 35' up on the lowest branch. There are several old dead stubs of branches on the way to her. Thank you for this video. I had already come to the conclusion that this was the best way, you have now given me the confidence to go attempt. She has been there for about 30 hours and its cold and rainy. Wish me luck. (Oh, and I have none of the proper gear, just a couple old ropes and a tow strap.)
Scott Adkins has an excellent series of videos on a similar two rope method. I haven’t tried it yet but he makes it look easier, safer and quicker. Very interesting.
Yes Scott’s idea I great and he does give credit where it is due his method was originally used for getting coconuts. Just please wear a safety belt or harness if you use it.
Thanks for the video. Its funny, I was tinkering around with the same idea on Jan 31 in my backyard. The one thing you shouldn't overlook is a piece of string that connects both the tether and the tree climbing aid. Having the tree climbing aider fall down the tree would be pretty crappy. Stuck up the tree without a way down. By the way, this would be a good way to get down the tree if you happen to fall and you can't reach your stand.
+Matthew Struven Good point. I think someone mentioned something like that for the one stick method also. When the webbing is around the tree it catches so easily that it's very hard to drop, but if you're transferring around a limb, or climbing a very smooth tree, there's always the possibility. In a pinch, the lineman's belt can also be used to create a foothold to get down. Tying a connection to the aider like you suggested eliminates the hassle though.
+Matthew Struven Yes, the bright green one in my setup. But the stopper knot on the free end needs to have a loop that can clip into the carabiner to create the foot hold.
+DIY Sportsman Can you explain this further? How exactly would you use your linesmans belt to descend if you lost your aider (or climbing stick)? I'm not clear on what the carabiner and loop on one end of your belt would do for you...Thanks in advance.
What are the concerns with swapping the girth hitch in the tree tether with a load bearing carabiner? I imagine it being quicker, quieter and less cumbersome when moving the tree tether up and down the tree. What about doing the same for the girth hitch atop the etrier/rope steps? I understand crossloading threatens a carabiner's gate, but it *appears this wouldn't happen in this application. I'm interested in your hunting engineer mind's perspective. Really appreciate the great ideas and videos, they've inspired and informed my hunting a great deal. Thank you and hope you had a great season,
For both of those ideas, they can work on the right tree. The biggest thing is that they're more likely to loosen and slight before you put weight on them. When you girth hitch, the friction of the rope or webbing holds itself in place when you tighten. When you just have it in a carabiner, the rope or webbing slides much easier, so when you pull tight, it can loosen right back up and start sliding downwards. On bigger trees with deep bark it can be fine. But on smaller or smooth barked trees it's more challenging. But you're right, theyd be much easier to use that way.
This is how I climb. But I use a tree wrap designed for camping hammocks with sewn loops every 3 “. Then add a carabiner and a 5 step loop aider. The hammock straps come in a 2 pack of course since designed for camping hammocks. The second one I carry and use to go around limbs detach the carabiner and steps and clip to new wrap above limb leave first one on the tree below and pick Up when coming down. No need for lineman’s belt.
I can almost feel myself starting to sweat out my hunting clothes just watching you do that. Sounds like you're a little out of breath making that climb and you didn't even go super high. I think I'm going to go look for that 1 stick method...
Thanks for this video, as well as your others. One other use I could think of is as an emergency backup if you were using the one- (or two-) stick climbing method to ascend/descend the tree. It looks like this would pack down pretty small, and if you don't have/carry a weighted grappling hook to attempt to retrieve a fallen climbing stick, this would seem to be a less cumbersome solution than using the lineman's belt and tether to get back down the tree.
You mentioned you lone wolf small platform. Hawk has one. They sell it as a seat that straps to the tree but you could remove the pad and us it in the same way. There rated for 300lb.
The main difference between the Hawk Hang Out seat and the old LW Assassin platform is where the platform is located relative to the strap. On the Hawk seat, the strap is below the platform, whereas on the Assassin, the strap is above the platform, which makes it less likely to kick out. Cbigbear made a custom platform where he mounted a lone wolf seat onto a mini climbing stick beneath the versa button. I'll see if I can find the link for that to share.
True Ultralight for just using the ladder or a poor man's method. Let there be some ice on that tree and not so easy. I would just scout on off season, put in presets with a twine, phillips head to anchor and use rope & Ascenders to be up to hunting with a saddle / rock harness in a few minutes quietly. Tree Ninja. Weight carried? Hunting pack and rope / harness / bow or rifle. Sticks are great for speed and more stable.
great idea. Im a mushroom forager and hunter. State land they "frown" on damaging trees. So this or the one stick method would get me up there. On state land you gotta get way back in or you aren't going to see anything to.
Unless I'm mistaken, that's no water knot in ur webbing...both tag ends are coming out the same side...essentially an overhand knot...water knots ends come out opposite ends of the knot like a figure 8 bend...I'd tie safeties on the tags as well... I do like that method tho...
Why not use two strap set ups, one for each side of the tree. Step up on the right, slide the left up. Step up on the left, slide the right up and so on then rappel down?
+John Moye Semi permanent solutions are nice for land where you can utilize them. Quite often I'm only on land where you can't pierce the bark and need to remove everything from the woods at the end of the day.
Cool trick. If ya added a prussic on to your higher rope you could add another couple feet before you raise the lower ? Over all though great idea. Some of the comments are goofy. If your not fit you shouldn't be climbing trees anyway. Even with a ladder!
Another quick q - just wondering why you use a tether and lineman's rope instead of two separate tethers. You could put to a tether over the limb and remove the lower one and be done in 2 steps instead of 3. Thanks again!
Yes I suppose you could do it that way. You would have two carabiners clipped into the same belay loop, so some potential for noise there, but I think that might be the only issue. To be honest I haven't looked into this method too much since the video.
One of my good hunting buddies uses only screw ins also. He uses the cheap ones when he leaves them in the trees on private land and the expensive ones when hunting mobile. I must not be as strong as him, because I always worked up a sweat trying to get them started into bark in sub freezing temps when we'd hunt together. A lot of the places I hunt they are illegal.
+DIY Sportsman Start them in between the cracks in the bark and find a thinner type step. I have a thicker version and they are not as pointy and thus hard to start. I often use the same holes for a season, then a new hole the next season. I carry them in a pouch and get up the tree in under 5 minutes.
At point 3.00 in your video, what are you doing to make the tether hold itself tight without flopping down again? What knot are you using on the tether there? Thanks!
I'm just using a girth hitch here. The rough bark and tension holds in in place. You can use a little gear tie wrapped around thr rope beneath thr hitch as a stopper though too
+DIY Sportsman Got it. Thanks. I'm thinking I am going to try a harness with leg strap releases for next years. Snugging those things up around insulated pants can be a real pain.
Have you ever thought of using climbing spikes to go up the tree during scouting or hanging stands. Sure they poke little holes in the trees but they heel over fine. This is what I do.
+Eric Maisch I have never tried them because of the general consensus from threads like this one: www.thehuntingbeast.com/viewtopic.php?f=21&t=1566 But I know some people in the saddle hunting community use them too.
I couldn't open the link but I imagine it has to do with damaging the tree or leaving open wounds for diseases to enter. I am an arborist and it is more then frowned upon to use them in landscape trees but I've climbed trees In the woods for 15 years with them and the marks were always heeled over the next growing season.
Hmm, the link might be to a private forum. There were a few remarks on bark damage, but most guys that had tried them at some point remarked about ease of use, discomfort, and noise. I'd imagine there is likely a learning curve, and the need for quality professional spurs for comfort? In theory they should be about the fastest way to climb.
+dee gee Yes, the only way I could see a technique like this really being worth the tradeoff is when I want to put a lot of mikes on scouting and don't plan on climbing a tree, or if I were, say, backpacking on a week long hunt in the mountains and wanted to have the option to climb up overlooking a fresh elk wallow or similar without having to carry in an additional climbing setup.
+Eby/Long Outdoors Something like a nylon climbing runner? I haven't tried it, but I imagine that while it can be done, the amount of phisical effort might not be worth the weight savings.
Lol who in their right mind would try this in the dark? There's much simpler ways to safely climb a tree. If carrying a couple climbing sticks is that big a burden then the hunter should consider giving it up and taking up crocheting.
Sorry, but I had to down vote your video. It is all based on a girth hitch. But you didn’t show it, and didn’t explain how it works. So what’s the point? Sorry dude… your other videos have been great!
Hi DIY, I'd be really interested in your take on "Sam's Stealth Climb" video th-cam.com/video/GMkAMZo5ggI/w-d-xo.html where he's climbing a tree like a human climbing tree stand. No sticks, no steps, just a saddle system and a board for his feet connected to the tree with a prussic that he raises as he goes.
Actually, for me is a good idea for light weight, even the sticks are made of aluminum there still weight, least weight for me in the mountains is better
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I very much liked your idea when trying to decide on a light weight, packable climbing method for saddle hunting. I combined yours and another guy that used board to climb. Instead of the webbing steps I girth hitch a second tether around the tree and attach a DIY 3 step rope ladder (made entirely from 8mm climbing rated rope, steps alternate right-left-right up to platform board)suspended from a piece of oak lumber about 2x3x21 inches in size. Once at hunting height I secure the oak board to the tree with a ratchet strap transforming it from a climbing tool to a sturdy platform. Everything except the board/rope ladder fits in a couple ammo dump bags attached to the molle webbing on the saddle. This may not work for everyone, and I’m sure there’s multiple opinions on how one should climb a tree, who should or shouldn’t be climbing etc. I’m writing this for the person that isn’t quite satisfied with the method they use or just wants to try something different. I’ve tried climber stands, sticks, ladder stands etc. and at this point this works for me in most situations. If this gets enough likes I’ll consider posting my own video and link to yours and the other guys video. I like your content, keep posting videos, very informative.
The OG youtuber to all the mobile stuff. I remember watching your 1 stick video. Man people just dont know you have all these old videos before all the big marketing stuff came out
FYI I just made one of these and I joined the two ends with a frost knot, and then tied overhand knots every five inches for the first 40 inches, and then left 36 inches untied before making three alternating steps (which I reinforced with tygon tubing and a cobra weave of paracord at the bottoms to hold shape). This gives me a lot of options for how much goes around trees of different diameters, and then also allows me a lot of versatility in how far up the girth hitch is above the lowest step. Thanks for doing all these videos, they've been invaluable in my learning process.
Rick Finsta Awesome. With the overhand knots you tied you could also probably use a carabiner instead of girth hitch. The way mine was tied, it would often loosen up and slip down the tree if using a carabiner.
That's a great idea! My first time out trying to use this I was going up a red pine and the constant attaching and detaching of the girth hitches was problematic since I had to do it constantly (branches every three feet or so and climbing to a height of about 30'). I ended up just climbing the tree like a kid would except with a safety attached all the time. I thought about using carabiners instead of a girth hitch on my safety tether there as well - it would be much faster! BTW the little 5" loops also mean that you've got a dangling line of little handles if you get in a bind and need to pull yourself up or steady yourself with your arms.
My kitty cat Oreo is up a pine tree right now. Shes about 35' up on the lowest branch. There are several old dead stubs of branches on the way to her. Thank you for this video. I had already come to the conclusion that this was the best way, you have now given me the confidence to go attempt. She has been there for about 30 hours and its cold and rainy. Wish me luck. (Oh, and I have none of the proper gear, just a couple old ropes and a tow strap.)
8 months later.....we are still wondering if Lamont made it OK!
@@fordguyfordguy pretty sure he called the firefighters :'D
Good demonstration. I definitely think this method would be perfect for long scouting trips.
Scott Adkins has an excellent series of videos on a similar two rope method. I haven’t tried it yet but he makes it look easier, safer and quicker. Very interesting.
What is his channel?
Yes Scott’s idea I great and he does give credit where it is due his method was originally used for getting coconuts. Just please wear a safety belt or harness if you use it.
Thanks for the video. Its funny, I was tinkering around with the same idea on Jan 31 in my backyard. The one thing you shouldn't overlook is a piece of string that connects both the tether and the tree climbing aid. Having the tree climbing aider fall down the tree would be pretty crappy. Stuck up the tree without a way down. By the way, this would be a good way to get down the tree if you happen to fall and you can't reach your stand.
+Matthew Struven Good point. I think someone mentioned something like that for the one stick method also. When the webbing is around the tree it catches so easily that it's very hard to drop, but if you're transferring around a limb, or climbing a very smooth tree, there's always the possibility. In a pinch, the lineman's belt can also be used to create a foothold to get down. Tying a connection to the aider like you suggested eliminates the hassle though.
I did not know that about the webbing. The linemans belt as a foothold is something else I haven't heard of as well.
Are you talking about a rope style linemans belt?
+Matthew Struven Yes, the bright green one in my setup. But the stopper knot on the free end needs to have a loop that can clip into the carabiner to create the foot hold.
+DIY Sportsman Can you explain this further? How exactly would you use your linesmans belt to descend if you lost your aider (or climbing stick)? I'm not clear on what the carabiner and loop on one end of your belt would do for you...Thanks in advance.
What are the concerns with swapping the girth hitch in the tree tether with a load bearing carabiner? I imagine it being quicker, quieter and less cumbersome when moving the tree tether up and down the tree. What about doing the same for the girth hitch atop the etrier/rope steps? I understand crossloading threatens a carabiner's gate, but it *appears this wouldn't happen in this application. I'm interested in your hunting engineer mind's perspective.
Really appreciate the great ideas and videos, they've inspired and informed my hunting a great deal. Thank you and hope you had a great season,
For both of those ideas, they can work on the right tree. The biggest thing is that they're more likely to loosen and slight before you put weight on them. When you girth hitch, the friction of the rope or webbing holds itself in place when you tighten. When you just have it in a carabiner, the rope or webbing slides much easier, so when you pull tight, it can loosen right back up and start sliding downwards. On bigger trees with deep bark it can be fine. But on smaller or smooth barked trees it's more challenging. But you're right, theyd be much easier to use that way.
This is how I climb. But I use a tree wrap designed for camping hammocks with sewn loops every 3 “. Then add a carabiner and a 5 step loop aider. The hammock straps come in a 2 pack of course since designed for camping hammocks. The second one I carry and use to go around limbs detach the carabiner and steps and clip to new wrap above limb leave first one on the tree below and pick
Up when coming down. No need for lineman’s belt.
Oh and is use ROS
I can almost feel myself starting to sweat out my hunting clothes just watching you do that. Sounds like you're a little out of breath making that climb and you didn't even go super high. I think I'm going to go look for that 1 stick method...
I searched for this after watching the movie "The Fall" xD Awesome demo good sir!
Thanks for this video, as well as your others. One other use I could think of is as an emergency backup if you were using the one- (or two-) stick climbing method to ascend/descend the tree. It looks like this would pack down pretty small, and if you don't have/carry a weighted grappling hook to attempt to retrieve a fallen climbing stick, this would seem to be a less cumbersome solution than using the lineman's belt and tether to get back down the tree.
You mentioned you lone wolf small platform. Hawk has one. They sell it as a seat that straps to the tree but you could remove the pad and us it in the same way. There rated for 300lb.
The main difference between the Hawk Hang Out seat and the old LW Assassin platform is where the platform is located relative to the strap. On the Hawk seat, the strap is below the platform, whereas on the Assassin, the strap is above the platform, which makes it less likely to kick out. Cbigbear made a custom platform where he mounted a lone wolf seat onto a mini climbing stick beneath the versa button. I'll see if I can find the link for that to share.
True Ultralight for just using the ladder or a poor man's method. Let there be some ice on that tree and not so easy. I would just scout on off season, put in presets with a twine, phillips head to anchor and use rope & Ascenders to be up to hunting with a saddle / rock harness in a few minutes quietly. Tree Ninja. Weight carried? Hunting pack and rope / harness / bow or rifle. Sticks are great for speed and more stable.
great idea. Im a mushroom forager and hunter. State land they "frown" on damaging trees. So this or the one stick method would get me up there. On state land you gotta get way back in or you aren't going to see anything to.
Unless I'm mistaken, that's no water knot in ur webbing...both tag ends are coming out the same side...essentially an overhand knot...water knots ends come out opposite ends of the knot like a figure 8 bend...I'd tie safeties on the tags as well...
I do like that method tho...
I like this method. Simple and effective. Thanks.
I throw rope around a limb and use spruce knot with big loops and shimmy up the rope
Why not use two strap set ups, one for each side of the tree. Step up on the right, slide the left up. Step up on the left, slide the right up and so on then rappel down?
I have actually done that before. It worked.
I use 10" galvanized wood stakes and hammer in as I go, never had an issue. A lot quicker too.
+John Moye Semi permanent solutions are nice for land where you can utilize them. Quite often I'm only on land where you can't pierce the bark and need to remove everything from the woods at the end of the day.
John Moye
I have a lot of trees on my land I could do that with. Think I should??
great video. smart for young guys with strong body's. keep up the great work.
Cool trick. If ya added a prussic on to your higher rope you could add another couple feet before you raise the lower ? Over all though great idea. Some of the comments are goofy. If your not fit you shouldn't be climbing trees anyway. Even with a ladder!
Another quick q - just wondering why you use a tether and lineman's rope instead of two separate tethers. You could put to a tether over the limb and remove the lower one and be done in 2 steps instead of 3. Thanks again!
Yes I suppose you could do it that way. You would have two carabiners clipped into the same belay loop, so some potential for noise there, but I think that might be the only issue. To be honest I haven't looked into this method too much since the video.
Cool idea, but I like screw in steps and have never killed a tree...they always heal over.
One of my good hunting buddies uses only screw ins also. He uses the cheap ones when he leaves them in the trees on private land and the expensive ones when hunting mobile. I must not be as strong as him, because I always worked up a sweat trying to get them started into bark in sub freezing temps when we'd hunt together. A lot of the places I hunt they are illegal.
+DIY Sportsman Start them in between the cracks in the bark and find a thinner type step. I have a thicker version and they are not as pointy and thus hard to start. I often use the same holes for a season, then a new hole the next season. I carry them in a pouch and get up the tree in under 5 minutes.
At point 3.00 in your video, what are you doing to make the tether hold itself tight without flopping down again? What knot are you using on the tether there? Thanks!
I'm just using a girth hitch here. The rough bark and tension holds in in place. You can use a little gear tie wrapped around thr rope beneath thr hitch as a stopper though too
How to use platform with aider instead of sticks
Very cool demo video, great info, keep up the great videos man.
what type of rock climbing harness are you using?
Seems like it would be a lot easier to rappel down instead of using the tether / aider. Yes no?
With this type method absolutely. Back when I had made this video rapelling setups weren't really popularized in hunting yet.
Probably use a platform when you get to hunting height, ay?
What model of rock climbing harness is that? I know you said it could couldnt quite hear. Thanks.
It's a Mammut Ophir 3 slide. I have an REI link to it in the description.
+DIY Sportsman Got it. Thanks. I'm thinking I am going to try a harness with leg strap releases for next years. Snugging those things up around insulated pants can be a real pain.
Have you ever thought of using climbing spikes to go up the tree during scouting or hanging stands. Sure they poke little holes in the trees but they heel over fine. This is what I do.
Are you talking about the arborist spurs or screw in steps?
Arborist spurs
+Eric Maisch I have never tried them because of the general consensus from threads like this one: www.thehuntingbeast.com/viewtopic.php?f=21&t=1566 But I know some people in the saddle hunting community use them too.
I couldn't open the link but I imagine it has to do with damaging the tree or leaving open wounds for diseases to enter. I am an arborist and it is more then frowned upon to use them in landscape trees but I've climbed trees In the woods for 15 years with them and the marks were always heeled over the next growing season.
Hmm, the link might be to a private forum. There were a few remarks on bark damage, but most guys that had tried them at some point remarked about ease of use, discomfort, and noise. I'd imagine there is likely a learning curve, and the need for quality professional spurs for comfort? In theory they should be about the fastest way to climb.
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Looks like an easy way to tree climb with shit I already have. I’d tie into the aider as well as the tether for deadly heights tho
is it just me or does he look like Connor Murphy
Oh yeah yeah
I’m still looking for your 1 stick method. Don’t see it on your playlist.
Neither do I!
You were ahead of the times, 2TC is just now catching on.
I would just make about 4 or 5 of these and leave the bottom one attached. and put a new one up higher.
Yep doing that right now. Making 4 and should get me to 20' or so. That way if you drop something and have to come down, it's not so bad...lol
The steps swinging in the wind may be a deterrent.
Good luck if you drop the adder 20 foot down.
6' of Paracord would save your life.
.....good idea, but it take longer time to get to your treestand, and coming back down..
+dee gee Yes, the only way I could see a technique like this really being worth the tradeoff is when I want to put a lot of mikes on scouting and don't plan on climbing a tree, or if I were, say, backpacking on a week long hunt in the mountains and wanted to have the option to climb up overlooking a fresh elk wallow or similar without having to carry in an additional climbing setup.
nice!!! thx for the video.
Thanks man!
Good idea for self rescue if you drop your stick.
Have you ever tried climbing with just a foot loop?
+Eby/Long Outdoors Something like a nylon climbing runner? I haven't tried it, but I imagine that while it can be done, the amount of phisical effort might not be worth the weight savings.
yes I have done it and its extremely physical. way too time consuming for sure.
You should sell these
Lol who in their right mind would try this in the dark? There's much simpler ways to safely climb a tree. If carrying a couple climbing sticks is that big a burden then the hunter should consider giving it up and taking up crocheting.
Kinda like trimming trees.
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that's not a water knot
what kind of knot is it then? Overhand bit on a retrace?
Sorry, but I had to down vote your video. It is all based on a girth hitch. But you didn’t show it, and didn’t explain how it works. So what’s the point? Sorry dude… your other videos have been great!
Hi DIY, I'd be really interested in your take on "Sam's Stealth Climb" video
th-cam.com/video/GMkAMZo5ggI/w-d-xo.html
where he's climbing a tree like a human climbing tree stand. No sticks, no steps, just a saddle system and a board for his feet connected to the tree with a prussic that he raises as he goes.
Thumbs up buddy
awsome sistem
Your smart your the best
No way get some tree climbing accenders way easier srt climbing or even if ur just hunting drt blakes hitch will do fuck this method looks dangerous
I did it too. This is what I used Woodprix designs for
Just throw a throw line ove a nice strong branch
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no way................join the circus ..looks harder then doing a high wire act
Might be a solution for broke fellas or husband's with their hunting allowance cut off🤔
Actually, for me is a good idea for light weight, even the sticks are made of aluminum there still weight, least weight for me in the mountains is better
oh boy ...this way will take you on anyone all day to cut a tree down..go back to school boy
We aren't cutting down trees, we are climbing them to hunt from them. Go cut down a tree and get off the internet.