Thanks so much, Cenk and especially Mr. Halvorson. One of the best interviews I have ever seen. Could you post this on every member of Congress' s website?
My 5 year old son just had surgery at Kaiser two weeks ago and the whole procedure cost $100. Friends of ours spent a month in the NICU with their newborn and flew via helicopter from LA to Oakland and I don't think they paid anything for that. I've only been with Kaiser for 6 months but I hope we can stay with them for a long time.
In Germany insurance companys can't deny you the standard plan, cost is calculated as a percentage of your income, if you become unemployed social security aka the state covers insurance costs, and if you for some reason manage to not have an insurance plan, you never owe any hospital or doctor their fee - you owe your last insurance company (who can not end your plan for not paying) your monthly payments, and if you never had one, the one that covered your parents has to cover your costs. With a standard insurance plan you will hardly ever even get to see a doctors or hospital bill - you have to pay a bit extra if you want something special like the holes in your teeth filled with gold instead of the standard material - and thats about it... It really amazes me that this is such a big topic in the US - and that it is regarded as something complicated when all that would have to be done is essentially copy paste an existing, working system from any of the dozens of countries where it already is in place...
First, this needs to be aired to Congress, second to every Black parent and third to every White parent in America. This was a hugely important discussion. Thank you, TYT.
you need to be neglected for first 3 years in order to get elected so they wouldn't understand a thing from this anyway, call fake news, and blame scientists for wasting money and harming ('testing') children
My parents talked and read to me a lot as a young child. When I was 9 months old my top favorite book was Mark Twain's "A Connecticut Yankee in King Arthur's Court." I obviously did not understand all of it, but there are certain passages I wanted to hear mom read to me over and over again as I understood some of the jokes enough to find them hilarious. I started talking (saying "mama" and soon "dada") at 5 months old, and was using simple sentences (like "daddy go byebye in car" when watching my dad leave for work) at 7 months. Also at 9 months old I alluded to another favorite book, saying "Huh, that daddy-man choo-choo train thinks he can" when watching my dad run a marathon and struggling to get over a big hill. In high school, even my lowest SAT verbal score was still considered a perfect 800.
George almost insinuates that all of Europe has private health care system. In Sweden for example, while there are certain private hospitals and care givers, most of the healthcare bill is subsidized or paid for by the government through taxes in some way or another.
All that good shit about Kaiser being said, back in 2004 my dad left his job and by extension his Kaiser plan. I was diagnosed with Athsma and A.D.H.D. by Kaiser doctors while on my dad's plan, and when we tried to buy our own Kaiser plan, I WAS DENIED FOR A PRE-EXISTING CONDITION THAT *KAISER* DIAGNOSED AND PRESCRIBED FOR.
Clarification: I think the phrase, "pressure ulcers" (used here by Halvorson), means, essentially "bed sores", and has nothing to do with stress-induced gastric ulcers.
CENK: It has been known for a long time how crucial for brain AND PERSONALITY development the first three to four years of life are. Even forgetting intelligence levels, children "record" deeply the level of psychological comfort, love, etc., they experience in their earliest years, as well as their experiences of early psychic discomfort, pain, misery, etc.
I'm glad to be Canadian, and always thought the USA would jump leaps and bounds if the people had the security of good public health care. Think of the entrepreneurs and healthy financial risks the small people could make in business and life if they were not worried about their health care bills. Would be great to see
As a provider of behavioral health KP works their providers to the bone - they demand extremely high productivity and burn out their providers. Cutting cost on the backs of providers is no way to run healthcare.
What a precious thing a child is. Carry your newborn everywhere with you in a sling next to your body. At night have their cradle next to your bed. Surround and submerge them in loving stimuli. Play music around them constantly. Play games with them. Talk to them and sing to them. Watch them grow and develop with wonder and awe. If your child is really wanted, the love should come naturally. Parents ideally will want nothing more than to be in the company of their wee one, sharing experiences,watching with fascination and wonder as they react to every discovery they make in their world. Children should be planned for and part of that plan should be ensuring parents have plenty of time and energy to enjoy parenthood. This can be difficult to do if you're trying to build a career, but it can be done or alternatively wait until you are settled in your work if you can. If you have an unplanned kid then something else has to give because baby must come first for the rest of your life and if you can't or don't want to do that then give the child to someone who can and will.
in sweden we have something called "high cost protection" so if you get sick you go to the doctor. you pay about 15$ to get an apointment. and if you need something like CAT scan you get that for about 50-100$ (dont know the exact number) but when you have had hospital/medicin cost of about 200$ the rest of the year all care is free for you. so my brother for example has kidny failure and need Dialasys he pays about 10$ per Dialasys the first month and the rest of the year its free.
Kaiser kicked my mom out of the hospital early. Doctor said 10 years ago, he would have recommended her to stay longer, but he can't now. Kicked my father out to after they botched the operation too.
I'm in the UK, time for me to get a GP (primary care) provided I call the surgery first thing in the morning... typically 2 to 3hrs.. thanks NHS months??.... somebody would be fired
Milwaukee, WI started a program in the 1980's or 1990's where they choose the Visiting Nurse Association to service the at risk parent before delivery. VNA was selected over social workers because of the SW association with the criminal justice system by the target population. The nurses were to maintain a supportive, medical and educative role to the new parents until the child was 3(?) years old. It would be interesting if your reporting could followup particularly if a longitudinal study was done.
Kaiser Permanente really is unique. There's a reason why they rate much higher (4-5 stars) than any other ACA exchange here in CA. My husband is all for single payer & he loves KP. If we switched to a single payer system, all that would happen is that KP, for example, would focus solely on the caregiving part of their organization & their health insurance billing part would cease to exist. Which means that they wouldn't have to spend any $ billing their patients. So instead of getting half (approx) their $ from the government (thru the subsidies that we each get thru Obamacare) & the other half from us (thru the monthly premiums, copays, deductibles, etc, that we each pay). They would just get paid the total by the government thru our taxes & it would cost each of us a lot less in taxes than what we're paying now in monthly premiums, copays, etc, plus we would also no longer have to worry about things like deductibles, etc.
Healthcare isn't as hard as they say it is IF you make 95% of the focus be on providing healthcare to all people at the lowest rate without regard to profit or risk.
One potential problem I can see in the US adopting the Swiss model is the higher degree of inequality in the United States. There will be a greater reluctance to adopt (vote in) a mandate system because so many people already ride the cusp of the poverty line. On the other end of the economic scale, the already rich can afford to pay their medical bills, they just want tax cuts.
An error by Uygur. Switzerland does not take it directly from our checks. Plans are mandatory, so is personal liability insurgence. What we choose are our options like private or semi private rooms, and our deductibles.
We should have an assortment of public and private insurance coverage, the government should ppa 70 % of all healthcare Bills for those who choose the public option. All citizens can have supplemental private insurance coverage, but the federal government should handles the majority of hospital bills in the US. If one does not wish to use public healthcare, they can use their own private healthcare.
William Davenport They have that in Spain. It's a clever way of maintaining the infrastructure of private for-profit healthcare and an incentive to defund the public system.
The Brocialist It depends on who's in charge. If you have a fair person then you wouldn't defund the public option. I think it's a healthy balance. Let the Middle to low class enjoy universal healthcare and let the rich use their own private health care system.
The NHS wasn't always like it is now with long waits and shit. it's being slowly killed by our lovely conservative government. it is still a good thing, it's saved my life a couple of times, same goes for several people I know, but it's sad that it is in genuine crisis now due to underfunding, when it used to be a national treasure.
I have long thought about, "What creates a "True Believer" in addition to the social forces so well described but the author of the classic book by that name? "What creates a greedy, insensitive to the suffering of "Others," and What sustains them in their bubbles and keeps them from hating themselves in deep shame? Failure to develop mirroring neurons alluded to by Cenk, earlier experiences of not being comforted when in distress, and, I would suggest a higher level of fearful anxiety and lack of trust and faith in one's fellow human. The evolution of wolves into dogs probably was facilitated by the less fearful wolves could tollerate being closer to humans(were the less anxious of the litter?), and could thus eat their discarded food, and discover human potential for kindness and companionship. Many possible actions and postures come to mind that support these people, helping the to think they are good people, but for now, I wonder if anyone has suggestions for further reading on these questions?
Y the hell cant we have a president like this man .thy are out there. I all so have Kaiser for last 12 YEARS thy send me bills that say $0000 low copay $25 MEDS $10 $240 A MONTH THY ARE THE BEST
Cenk should educate himself a little before conducting these interviews, so he could correct the interviewed's half-truths. From Wikipedia: "Healthcare in the Netherlands is financed by a dual system that came into effect in January 2006. Long-term treatments, especially those that involve semi-permanent hospitalization, and also disability costs such as wheelchairs, are covered by a state-controlled mandatory insurance. ... In 2009 this insurance covered 27% of all health care expenses." This contradicts what Halvorson says at 11:05: "if you're in the Netherlands, there's not one single person that has government coverage". I guess 27% equals 0 in Mr Halvorson's mind.
Furthermore, health insurance in the Netherlands is highly regulated, with a lot of restrictions and mandates put on the insurance companies by the government to ensure citizens get good health care, which is a far cry from the "free market competing health plans" that Mr Halvorson implies.
Oh, and also from Wikipedia: "The French health care system is one of universal health care largely financed by government national health insurance." Does Mr Halvorson know that France is in Europe, when he claims "Europe doesn't use single payer system" at 10:55?
You should know better than to trust Wikipedia! Though I thing that your misinterpretation of this text might also be an issue. Halvorson and Cenk are 100% correct, I know because I live there. In the Netherlands all health insurances are being bought from commercial private companies. A lot of essential healthcare is not being covered by those insurances and the state gives a subsidy to the poorest people to cover a part (up to around 80%) of the 'basic' health insurance. The basic health insurance includes the general practitioner and everything they do in hospitals, however you have to pay the first 350 euro out of your own pocket. The basic health insurance does NOT include dental healthcare, orthodontics (essential for many people), physiotherapy, psychotherapy etcetera. In Belgium and Gemerny the system is different but I am not going to make any statements about that (I would have to do some research myself) other than that in Belgium and Germany most citizens pay a small insurance fee (compared to the Netherlands) to the insurance company of their choice and the government pays the rest. Let me also destroy the fairy tale that you always get good healthcare in the Netherlands, you don't. For example, I know of an unlucky person who had an anal fissure (extremely painful) which didn't get diagnosed for much too long because the general practitioners in general don't know how to do that (the patient has to take a certain position, otherwise you easily miss a lot of those because the sight on the wound is being obstructed), he got to a specialist for something else and the specialist discovered the real problem. Yes, the Dutch governments regulates mores, that much is true. I would rank the Netherlands somewhere in the middle with regard to healtcare, the USA is all the way in the back and some more 'socialistic' countries are on the top.
So it's not true that in the Netherlands "Long-term treatments ... are covered by a state-controlled mandatory insurance"? Also, you yourself Peter Jansen contradict Halvorson: he says "in the Netherlands, there's not one single person that has government coverage", while you say " the state gives a subsidy to the poorest people to cover a part (up to around 80%)". Well, what are those 80% if not "government coverage"? When the government gives people money to cover (part of) their healthcare costs, in my book it's called "(partial) government coverage".
You see a contradiction that isn't there. The citizen pays the insurance company and IN SOME CASES the government pays A PART OF the insurance fee back to the citizen. It would be government coverage if the government pays all the bills for doctors, hospitals, nurses...directly from the income of the taxes. You can call it PARTIAL government coverage if you like that, for what part is very difficult to determine given that researching the Dutch healthcare is complicated, too complicated for any ordinary educated citizen who hasn't specialized in it. Also partially because it is difficult to acquire all the required sources (see the financial books). Obviously part of the healthcare is also financed directly by the government, though declining. Unfortunately it is embarrassing how the Dutch take care of their senior citizens, or other groups of 'weak' people, like handicapped people... The prisons are also crappy, little attention to rehabilitation, emphasis on punishment (12-16 hours a day in the cell, SHU as punishment for prisoners who don't follow the rules, little therapy and education...) , not anything like in Norway. Not nearly as bad as in the USA but certainly not up to northern European standards. The best system would be what Americans call single payer healthcare or one public insurance company, given that it is organized well (negotiating prices with pharmaceutical companies...).
The info about pressure ulcers is incorrect. If someone gets a pressure ulcer during a hospital stay, that hospital is not reimbursed for the care of that ulcer. The only way a hospital is reimbursed for pressure ulcer care is if it is documented at the time of admission. The fact that he is so off on this issue makes me distrust everything this guy says.
If you read reviews KAISER AY DIFFER What about consistancy of care i.e.. seeing the same doctor each time. What about access to specialists. i had a friend in her 70's who had both a history of heart problems that had required a cardiac ablation that was only partially sucessful and also scarring in her lungs from having Q Valley fever. The program did not provide her ANY access to a cardiologist or a pulmonologist. his statement that specialists should not make more money if just BAD plain and simple!. Med school costs 200- 300 thousand dollars for four years ( that s after a four yera undergrad degree) specialities can be 7 more years. They have to be able to pay that money back. If they a=won't be able to pay it back only the very wealthy will be able to do it. I'm all for what he says is happening. but being stuck in a system (not kaiser) where I had no choice i my doctors led to about five years of a significant to severe Vit D deficieny despite having obvious signs and symptoms. And the failure to diagnose a genetic disorder of elevated iron despite syntos that included lab tests that included an elevated blood iron. Any system like this needs to include a mechanism fpr patient choice. That way incompetent or uncaring providers can be left behind while patients seek someone who can help them .
are there alternative health care choices in KP like acupuncture?, chiropractor?, massage therapy? What do you do if one travels - how is medical care covered? how is it paid for if you are far from home? what about mental health care? Is KP drug oriented or therapy oriented? out-patient? in patient? what about things like alcoholism, drug addiction do the treatments go beyond just drugs and medica? Do ALL doctors want to be 'part of a team' like at KP? Perhaps some don't want to do that? Does KP cover eyeglasses? dental work?
I would like TYT would do a show on the New Zealand health care system. Some of the features include patient paid doctor visits, government managed medical pricing but only charge patient $5, centralized medical data system accessible by all providers and government operated hospitals and an accident care program. I have had an MRI, angioghm, and stress ekg at no cost to me.
I did better with obamascare than I do now with medicare. Obamacare paid 3 times as much as I paid but my last bill on medicare was $103 and medicare paid $47.
In the Netherlands there also isn't single payer healthcare. If you get any dental problems you are fucked, you can pay a lot of money or keep the dental problems.
That's no contradiction to single payer. Any dental treatment that does more than just preserving the ability to chew/speak properly and ending toothache is basically a kind of esthetic surgery.
Your point is mute because also the functional dental treatment is not being covered by health insurance. I guarantee you that there are a lot of examples of such required treatment. Regardless it is more than just about the looks if it wouldn't hinder such function given that it has strong social and economical (job solicitation) disadvantages if you visibly miss teeth. Furthermore the Netherlands USED TO BE a civilized country a lot less long ago, it has been declining since the 90's. In the USA they might be used to it, in that part of Europe it should be better. All due to neoliberalism.
Partly or even completely pritvatized dental care is nevertheless compatible with a single-payer system. Dental care is at least in part pritvatized in most single payer systems and I think this is perfectly reasonable. Functional dental treatment isn't expensive in comparison with other health issues, dental problems are not life threatening and individual behaviour plays a particularly big role in how much professional care is needed. It's also highly unlikely that someone is all of a sudden on the verge of bankruptcy because he needs 6 new teeth all at once. In contrast to other branches of medicine it's relatively easy to calculate the cost of dental care in advance.
You are dead wrong about functional dental treatment not being expensive! It is! Contrary to what you seem to think dental problems can certainly be very detrimental to people their health, also detrimental to their well being and their earning potential. Other than that there is a civilization issue, in a civilized society people take care of each other if one person has got bad luck, that ensures that those who take care of that person will be taken care off when they have got bad luck. It might not fit your political ideology but it is a fact that it is better for a society if something like this is being taken care of by either single payer healthcare or 1 obligated public insurance. Just do some research to Richard Wilkinson his work if you have trouble believing that.
You're misrepresenting what I was saying. "Expensive" doesn't mean anything, which is the exact reason I said " in comparison with other health issues". Functional dental care is really cheap in this perspective, actually. Civilized people take care of their teeth, because they know for a fact there is an undeniably strong causal relationship between their own dental care and the number of professional dental treatments they'll have to undergo during their life. It's not at all a fact that it is better for a society if self inflicted damage of teeth just gets paid by the collective. Any treatment of detrimental effects (which are are very unlikely to be caused by dental problems) getting payed by "1 obligated public insurance" anyway, which is a good thing imo.
I would like to know more details of Canada's health system, didn't hear enough except for it being single-payer. This guy Halvorson seems to be pushing mandatory for profit healthcare system. We have that now.
Styzor, thank you. That sounds close to John Conyers Bill HR 676 National medicare for all. Price controlled not for profit single-payer healthcare is the best way forward. F*** defense spending.
Great interview . . . though if you think deeply about the consequences and logical implications, you may be driven to vomit over the extreme negative consequences for the patient and family. George Halvorson describes how the existing system is incented to provide sub-optimal care . . . sadly this includes in extreme cases the death of the patient. It is horrifying to look at the death statistic comparison Halvorson alludes to.
Stop using "capitalist" "socialist" "communist" etc. as terms to describe microeconomic and political processes, Cenk, and I don't say that in a judgmental way with a political bias, it's just painfully obvious that he has no clue about political theory.
So we're okay with concluding that the main reason people drop out of school is because they aren't smart enough, and that's because their parents were ignorant and neglectful? Really? I am not discounting the importance of early childhood brain development, but come on. There is a reason that rich people are far, far more likely to end up with college degrees, and it isn't because they all magically have superior parents and superior brains.
Its not because they have superior brains its because they have superior salaries. They can pay for private schools and tutors. Also because they have better connections and networking to get their children the best education and easy access to jobs thereafter.
Exactly. And yet they somehow managed to have this entire conversation without any reference to the social factors involved in educational disparities and mass incarceration. Taken to its logical extreme, this argument is essentially a neurological justification for inequality.
Devera G Uh, The Authors book was discussed,vwhich was written in response to THIS specific resesrch as the basis for concentrating efforts on stimulating the brain cells of infants at a much younger age than was before thought important. These predictors are simple and come into play before nore compkex social factors. Christ, the negativity blows me away.. whinging, cynical, negative complainers.
Look, this is not criticism for criticism's sake. As I said in my original post, I am not questioning the value of research on early brain development--of course that is important. I am, however, disputing the overreaching implications the author seems to draw from this research--that this early development is almost entirely determinative of an individual's life trajectory. He specifically says that you can predict who is going to drop out of school when kids are 3 years old, and from there who is going to end up in prison. Again, am I saying that brain development has no impact on these outcomes? No, of course not. But it is irresponsible not to mention that there are social factors equally at play--because there are plenty of people who actually do believe that poor people (and particularly poor black people) are simply not cut out for success, and this argument could be seen to justify that belief.
I see your point about poor black ppl not being cut out for success but he never mentions race while describing the needs of infants in early development. Any implications of race are brought into the discussion through the people that are on the receiving end of this information. Which at this point includes you. White ppl are also poor and also suffer the same social factors that black people suffer from. Any one that can conclude that poor black ppl are just not cut out for success from this information have deep rooted opinions on race and will attach those opinions to anything that will validate their point.
This dude sounds like a walking paid promotion for Kaiser Permanente. And he keeps talking about specifically private healthcare mandates. Smells like a lobbyist to me. Also that nations in the eu don´t have single payer is just false. Granted there are many different systems. But to claim non of them is single player is just not true.
RasakBlood HE ALSO lobbies for the Single payer Canadian system. Does he sound like a Canadian too? He actually lobbied for "the expansion of medacaid" and said it was criminal too cut it. I didn't like the amount of times he said the name "Kaiser Permanente." but, I'm not going to dismiss everything he says and treat him with such suspicion whenever's thing he says makes sense and I haven't done the research to be able to counter any statistics and say differently.
fuck you, pay attention or delete yourself from the internet! all you 4chan/infowars trolls have to say is misinformed dishonest smears against any thing of intellectual integrity and honesty. if you wont pay attention and use your brain GTFO! you don't know the facts of the seth rich killing, yet you already have your pitchforks out for the democrats, just like pizza gate. ps the young Turks revolution started from a group of progressive dental students that included Armenians and the role of the movement was to overthrow the Turkish theocratic rule. afterward, the movement was hijacked by the industrial military complex of turkey. but all the minutia and intricacy is lost on your tiny minds because you simply are brainwashed to hate and distrust progressives because they deal in facts and you deal is preconceived dispositions. don't talk about the Armenian genocide if you know nothing about it and don't talk about seth rich, because you know nothing about it. you aren't clever, you are sheeple!
Great interview! It's rare to find such an in-depth discussion of healthcare in the modern media.
Thanks so much, Cenk and especially Mr. Halvorson. One of the best interviews I have ever seen. Could you post this on every member of Congress' s website?
Damn Cenk, that was a great interview. I learned so much from that.
Fantastic. Thank you both for enlightening me. Please keep up the good work. Our country needs this.
My 5 year old son just had surgery at Kaiser two weeks ago and the whole procedure cost $100. Friends of ours spent a month in the NICU with their newborn and flew via helicopter from LA to Oakland and I don't think they paid anything for that. I've only been with Kaiser for 6 months but I hope we can stay with them for a long time.
Awesome interview. Also, my health care is with Kaiser so this is very interesting!
I called my dr for a check up today, appointment is tomorrow. O Canada
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UNBELIEVABLE WORK - THANK GOD FOR THIS TYPE OF MEDIA
This is F-ing GENIUS. Thanks Cenk and the rest of TYT!
Quality Cenk. Kudos Mr Halvorson. Thanks again TYT
One the best interviews. Amazing! Thank you Cenk
This is a very informative interview. Good on ya TYT
Cenk interviews are underrated.
This was a damn good and informative interview.
Watched every minute of it. Good stuff.
Damn this was simple great. You gotta invite him back. Thanks
Great interview Cenk and George, thank you.
Secretary of the Department of Health and Human Services spot on my Fantasy Executive Branch has been filled. Thank you.
This was a great interview.
love this interview
In Germany insurance companys can't deny you the standard plan, cost is calculated as a percentage of your income, if you become unemployed social security aka the state covers insurance costs, and if you for some reason manage to not have an insurance plan, you never owe any hospital or doctor their fee - you owe your last insurance company (who can not end your plan for not paying) your monthly payments, and if you never had one, the one that covered your parents has to cover your costs. With a standard insurance plan you will hardly ever even get to see a doctors or hospital bill - you have to pay a bit extra if you want something special like the holes in your teeth filled with gold instead of the standard material - and thats about it...
It really amazes me that this is such a big topic in the US - and that it is regarded as something complicated when all that would have to be done is essentially copy paste an existing, working system from any of the dozens of countries where it already is in place...
First, this needs to be aired to Congress, second to every Black parent and third to every White parent in America. This was a hugely important discussion. Thank you, TYT.
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Why in that order😄?
you need to be neglected for first 3 years in order to get elected so they wouldn't understand a thing from this anyway, call fake news, and blame scientists for wasting money and harming ('testing') children
Great interview, great info! Thank you, TYT!!!
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I love that he points to Cenk when he says "if you're overweight."
He mentions "weight issues" and "being overweight" twice lol
excellent conversation.
This is a GREAT interview! @tyt GREAT!
My parents talked and read to me a lot as a young child.
When I was 9 months old my top favorite book was Mark Twain's "A Connecticut Yankee in King Arthur's Court." I obviously did not understand all of it, but there are certain passages I wanted to hear mom read to me over and over again as I understood some of the jokes enough to find them hilarious.
I started talking (saying "mama" and soon "dada") at 5 months old, and was using simple sentences (like "daddy go byebye in car" when watching my dad leave for work) at 7 months. Also at 9 months old I alluded to another favorite book, saying "Huh, that daddy-man choo-choo train thinks he can" when watching my dad run a marathon and struggling to get over a big hill.
In high school, even my lowest SAT verbal score was still considered a perfect 800.
But the racists tell me intelligence is all genetic...
George almost insinuates that all of Europe has private health care system. In Sweden for example, while there are certain private hospitals and care givers, most of the healthcare bill is subsidized or paid for by the government through taxes in some way or another.
All that good shit about Kaiser being said, back in 2004 my dad left his job and by extension his Kaiser plan. I was diagnosed with Athsma and A.D.H.D. by Kaiser doctors while on my dad's plan, and when we tried to buy our own Kaiser plan, I WAS DENIED FOR A PRE-EXISTING CONDITION THAT *KAISER* DIAGNOSED AND PRESCRIBED FOR.
THAT WAS BE FOR THE ACA
Clarification: I think the phrase, "pressure ulcers" (used here by Halvorson), means, essentially "bed sores", and has nothing to do with stress-induced gastric ulcers.
last 15 mins v. important and needs to be made into a separate clip and re-issued.
at 7:00 "pressure ulcer" is commonly known as "bedsores" and, as Mr Halvorson says, they are very easy to prevent.
I love that everything he says is supported by data and based on results in the real world.
CENK: It has been known for a long time how crucial for brain AND PERSONALITY development the first three to four years of life are. Even forgetting intelligence levels, children "record" deeply the level of psychological comfort, love, etc., they experience in their earliest years, as well as their experiences of early psychic discomfort, pain, misery, etc.
I'm glad to be Canadian, and always thought the USA would jump leaps and bounds if the people had the security of good public health care. Think of the entrepreneurs and healthy financial risks the small people could make in business and life if they were not worried about their health care bills. Would be great to see
As a provider of behavioral health KP works their providers to the bone - they demand extremely high productivity and burn out their providers. Cutting cost on the backs of providers is no way to run healthcare.
Great show. Thanks for illuminating these facets of a greedy industry. Too bad this doesn't get MSM air time.
Australia has medicare for all and it works.
What a precious thing a child is.
Carry your newborn everywhere with you in a sling next to your body. At night have their cradle next to your bed. Surround and submerge them in loving stimuli. Play music around them constantly. Play games with them. Talk to them and sing to them. Watch them grow and develop with wonder and awe.
If your child is really wanted, the love should come naturally. Parents ideally will want nothing more than to be in the company of their wee one, sharing experiences,watching with fascination and wonder as they react to every discovery they make in their world.
Children should be planned for and part of that plan should be ensuring parents have plenty of time and energy to enjoy parenthood. This can be difficult to do if you're trying to build a career, but it can be done or alternatively wait until you are settled in your work if you can. If you have an unplanned kid then something else has to give because baby must come first for the rest of your life and if you can't or don't want to do that then give the child to someone who can and will.
in sweden we have something called "high cost protection" so if you get sick you go to the doctor. you pay about 15$ to get an apointment. and if you need something like CAT scan you get that for about 50-100$ (dont know the exact number) but when you have had hospital/medicin cost of about 200$ the rest of the year all care is free for you.
so my brother for example has kidny failure and need Dialasys he pays about 10$ per Dialasys the first month and the rest of the year its free.
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Wish I had that plan
Jhordan Stoutmire i hope you get it.
Yes, we have to broaden the sense of us!
Kaiser kicked my mom out of the hospital early. Doctor said 10 years ago, he would have recommended her to stay longer, but he can't now. Kicked my father out to after they botched the operation too.
I'm in the UK, time for me to get a GP (primary care) provided I call the surgery first thing in the morning... typically 2 to 3hrs..
thanks NHS
months??....
somebody would be fired
Milwaukee, WI started a program in the 1980's or 1990's where they choose the Visiting Nurse Association to service the at risk parent before delivery. VNA was selected over social workers because of the SW association with the criminal justice system by the target population. The nurses were to maintain a supportive, medical and educative role to the new parents until the child was 3(?) years old. It would be interesting if your reporting could followup particularly if a longitudinal study was done.
ELIMINATE corporate sociopaths = predatory corporations....
Is there any way to have Mr. Halvorson debate Tom Price?
How can we sanction this "fight"? My money's on Mr. Halvorson...........
Kaiser Permanente really is unique. There's a reason why they rate much higher (4-5 stars) than any other ACA exchange here in CA. My husband is all for single payer & he loves KP. If we switched to a single payer system, all that would happen is that KP, for example, would focus solely on the caregiving part of their organization & their health insurance billing part would cease to exist. Which means that they wouldn't have to spend any $ billing their patients. So instead of getting half (approx) their $ from the government (thru the subsidies that we each get thru Obamacare) & the other half from us (thru the monthly premiums, copays, deductibles, etc, that we each pay). They would just get paid the total by the government thru our taxes & it would cost each of us a lot less in taxes than what we're paying now in monthly premiums, copays, etc, plus we would also no longer have to worry about things like deductibles, etc.
never been so glad, my kids are not born yet
gonna give them an earful everyday
so introduce aliens and all of a sudden we can expand their sense of us to the whole of humanity
Healthcare isn't as hard as they say it is IF you make 95% of the focus be on providing healthcare to all people at the lowest rate without regard to profit or risk.
One potential problem I can see in the US adopting the Swiss model is the higher degree of inequality in the United States. There will be a greater reluctance to adopt (vote in) a mandate system because so many people already ride the cusp of the poverty line. On the other end of the economic scale, the already rich can afford to pay their medical bills, they just want tax cuts.
This interview panicked me to my core. More to the mother guilt.
An error by Uygur. Switzerland does not take it directly from our checks. Plans are mandatory, so is personal liability insurgence.
What we choose are our options like private or semi private rooms, and our deductibles.
Kaiser Permanenta is a super powerful insurance company with some of the most restrictive coverage policies and treatments programs.
We should have an assortment of public and private insurance coverage, the government should ppa 70 % of all healthcare Bills for those who choose the public option. All citizens can have supplemental private insurance coverage, but the federal government should handles the majority of hospital bills in the US. If one does not wish to use public healthcare, they can use their own private healthcare.
William Davenport They have that in Spain. It's a clever way of maintaining the infrastructure of private for-profit healthcare and an incentive to defund the public system.
The Brocialist
It depends on who's in charge. If you have a fair person then you wouldn't defund the public option. I think it's a healthy balance. Let the Middle to low class enjoy universal healthcare and let the rich use their own private health care system.
The NHS wasn't always like it is now with long waits and shit. it's being slowly killed by our lovely conservative government. it is still a good thing, it's saved my life a couple of times, same goes for several people I know, but it's sad that it is in genuine crisis now due to underfunding, when it used to be a national treasure.
I have long thought about, "What creates a "True Believer" in addition to the social forces so well described but the author of the classic book by that name? "What creates a greedy, insensitive to the suffering of "Others," and What sustains them in their bubbles and keeps them from hating themselves in deep shame? Failure to develop mirroring neurons alluded to by Cenk, earlier experiences of not being comforted when in distress, and, I would suggest a higher level of fearful anxiety and lack of trust and faith in one's fellow human. The evolution of wolves into dogs probably was facilitated by the less fearful wolves could tollerate being closer to humans(were the less anxious of the litter?), and could thus eat their discarded food, and discover human potential for kindness and companionship. Many possible actions and postures come to mind that support these people, helping the to think they are good people, but for now, I wonder if anyone has suggestions for further reading on these questions?
Y the hell cant we have a president like this man .thy are out there. I all so have Kaiser for last 12 YEARS thy send me bills that say $0000 low copay $25 MEDS $10 $240 A MONTH THY ARE THE BEST
Only over 7,000 views, need 350 million views, and that's just in the U.S. Better still, buy the book!
Very very interesting and I agree I wish had read/known about this earlier for my God kids.
Why is the two-panel frame so asymmetric?
no kaiser in my area :(
Fascinating
i'd rather have medicare for all b/c then you can see any provider nationwide
Beyond disgusting. Now I see why Bernie hates the pharmaceutical companies with such passion.
Kaiser is awesome.
Cenk should educate himself a little before conducting these interviews, so he could correct the interviewed's half-truths.
From Wikipedia:
"Healthcare in the Netherlands is financed by a dual system that came into effect in January 2006. Long-term treatments, especially those that involve semi-permanent hospitalization, and also disability costs such as wheelchairs, are covered by a state-controlled mandatory insurance. ... In 2009 this insurance covered 27% of all health care expenses."
This contradicts what Halvorson says at 11:05: "if you're in the Netherlands, there's not one single person that has government coverage". I guess 27% equals 0 in Mr Halvorson's mind.
Furthermore, health insurance in the Netherlands is highly regulated, with a lot of restrictions and mandates put on the insurance companies by the government to ensure citizens get good health care, which is a far cry from the "free market competing health plans" that Mr Halvorson implies.
Oh, and also from Wikipedia:
"The French health care system is one of universal health care largely financed by government national health insurance."
Does Mr Halvorson know that France is in Europe, when he claims "Europe doesn't use single payer system" at 10:55?
You should know better than to trust Wikipedia! Though I thing that your misinterpretation of this text might also be an issue. Halvorson and Cenk are 100% correct, I know because I live there. In the Netherlands all health insurances are being bought from commercial private companies. A lot of essential healthcare is not being covered by those insurances and the state gives a subsidy to the poorest people to cover a part (up to around 80%) of the 'basic' health insurance. The basic health insurance includes the general practitioner and everything they do in hospitals, however you have to pay the first 350 euro out of your own pocket. The basic health insurance does NOT include dental healthcare, orthodontics (essential for many people), physiotherapy, psychotherapy etcetera.
In Belgium and Gemerny the system is different but I am not going to make any statements about that (I would have to do some research myself) other than that in Belgium and Germany most citizens pay a small insurance fee (compared to the Netherlands) to the insurance company of their choice and the government pays the rest.
Let me also destroy the fairy tale that you always get good healthcare in the Netherlands, you don't. For example, I know of an unlucky person who had an anal fissure (extremely painful) which didn't get diagnosed for much too long because the general practitioners in general don't know how to do that (the patient has to take a certain position, otherwise you easily miss a lot of those because the sight on the wound is being obstructed), he got to a specialist for something else and the specialist discovered the real problem. Yes, the Dutch governments regulates mores, that much is true. I would rank the Netherlands somewhere in the middle with regard to healtcare, the USA is all the way in the back and some more 'socialistic' countries are on the top.
So it's not true that in the Netherlands "Long-term treatments ... are covered by a state-controlled mandatory insurance"?
Also, you yourself Peter Jansen contradict Halvorson: he says "in the Netherlands, there's not one single person that has government coverage", while you say " the state gives a subsidy to the poorest people to cover a part (up to around 80%)". Well, what are those 80% if not "government coverage"? When the government gives people money to cover (part of) their healthcare costs, in my book it's called "(partial) government coverage".
You see a contradiction that isn't there. The citizen pays the insurance company and IN SOME CASES the government pays A PART OF the insurance fee back to the citizen. It would be government coverage if the government pays all the bills for doctors, hospitals, nurses...directly from the income of the taxes. You can call it PARTIAL government coverage if you like that, for what part is very difficult to determine given that researching the Dutch healthcare is complicated, too complicated for any ordinary educated citizen who hasn't specialized in it. Also partially because it is difficult to acquire all the required sources (see the financial books). Obviously part of the healthcare is also financed directly by the government, though declining. Unfortunately it is embarrassing how the Dutch take care of their senior citizens, or other groups of 'weak' people, like handicapped people...
The prisons are also crappy, little attention to rehabilitation, emphasis on punishment (12-16 hours a day in the cell, SHU as punishment for prisoners who don't follow the rules, little therapy and education...) , not anything like in Norway.
Not nearly as bad as in the USA but certainly not up to northern European standards.
The best system would be what Americans call single payer healthcare or one public insurance company, given that it is organized well (negotiating prices with pharmaceutical companies...).
The info about pressure ulcers is incorrect. If someone gets a pressure ulcer during a hospital stay, that hospital is not reimbursed for the care of that ulcer. The only way a hospital is reimbursed for pressure ulcer care is if it is documented at the time of admission.
The fact that he is so off on this issue makes me distrust everything this guy says.
joseph3357 yes
joseph3357 medical resident at a large county hospital. We see patients that the local Kaiser won't.
Seamus Connolly Your reply is so vague it's irritating. " ...We see the people these guys won't". WHAT people?
Sasha Lyn actually sick people. Kaiser kicks the truly ill off their plan to lower their cost, then acts like they figured out how to fix healthcare.
Kaiser Permanente commercial.
To be fair, if they're doing something well I don't think we should fault them for tooting their horn.
If you read reviews KAISER AY DIFFER What about consistancy of care i.e.. seeing the same doctor each time. What about access to specialists. i had a friend in her 70's who had both a history of heart problems that had required a cardiac ablation that was only partially sucessful and also scarring in her lungs from having Q Valley fever. The program did not provide her ANY access to a cardiologist or a pulmonologist. his statement that specialists should not make more money if just BAD plain and simple!. Med school costs 200- 300 thousand dollars for four years ( that s after a four yera undergrad degree) specialities can be 7 more years. They have to be able to pay that money back. If they a=won't be able to pay it back only the very wealthy will be able to do it. I'm all for what he says is happening. but being stuck in a system (not kaiser) where I had no choice i my doctors led to about five years of a significant to severe Vit D deficieny despite having obvious signs and symptoms. And the failure to diagnose a genetic disorder of elevated iron despite syntos that included lab tests that included an elevated blood iron. Any system like this needs to include a mechanism fpr patient choice. That way incompetent or uncaring providers can be left behind while patients seek someone who can help them .
are there alternative health care choices in KP like acupuncture?, chiropractor?, massage therapy? What do you do if one travels - how is medical care covered? how is it paid for if you are far from home? what about mental health care? Is KP drug oriented or therapy oriented? out-patient? in patient? what about things like alcoholism, drug addiction do the treatments go beyond just drugs and medica? Do ALL doctors want to be 'part of a team' like at KP? Perhaps some don't want to do that? Does KP cover eyeglasses? dental work?
I would like TYT would do a show on the New Zealand health care system. Some of the features include patient paid doctor visits, government managed medical pricing but only charge patient $5, centralized medical data system accessible by all providers and government operated hospitals and an accident care program. I have had an MRI, angioghm, and stress ekg at no cost to me.
I wish he hadn't worked at Kaiser.
I did better with obamascare than I do now with medicare. Obamacare paid 3 times as much as I paid but my last bill on medicare was $103 and medicare paid $47.
bs. medicare pays 80% unless your $105 deductible hasnt been me. bet you in a hmo network under obamacare
In the Netherlands there also isn't single payer healthcare. If you get any dental problems you are fucked, you can pay a lot of money or keep the dental problems.
That's no contradiction to single payer. Any dental treatment that does more than just preserving the ability to chew/speak properly and ending toothache is basically a kind of esthetic surgery.
Your point is mute because also the functional dental treatment is not being covered by health insurance. I guarantee you that there are a lot of examples of such required treatment. Regardless it is more than just about the looks if it wouldn't hinder such function given that it has strong social and economical (job solicitation) disadvantages if you visibly miss teeth. Furthermore the Netherlands USED TO BE a civilized country a lot less long ago, it has been declining since the 90's. In the USA they might be used to it, in that part of Europe it should be better. All due to neoliberalism.
Partly or even completely pritvatized dental care is nevertheless compatible with a single-payer system. Dental care is at least in part pritvatized in most single payer systems and I think this is perfectly reasonable. Functional dental treatment isn't expensive in comparison with other health issues, dental problems are not life threatening and individual behaviour plays a particularly big role in how much professional care is needed. It's also highly unlikely that someone is all of a sudden on the verge of bankruptcy because he needs 6 new teeth all at once. In contrast to other branches of medicine it's relatively easy to calculate the cost of dental care in advance.
You are dead wrong about functional dental treatment not being expensive! It is! Contrary to what you seem to think dental problems can certainly be very detrimental to people their health, also detrimental to their well being and their earning potential. Other than that there is a civilization issue, in a civilized society people take care of each other if one person has got bad luck, that ensures that those who take care of that person will be taken care off when they have got bad luck. It might not fit your political ideology but it is a fact that it is better for a society if something like this is being taken care of by either single payer healthcare or 1 obligated public insurance. Just do some research to Richard Wilkinson his work if you have trouble believing that.
You're misrepresenting what I was saying. "Expensive" doesn't mean anything, which is the exact reason I said " in comparison with other health issues". Functional dental care is really cheap in this perspective, actually. Civilized people take care of their teeth, because they know for a fact there is an undeniably strong causal relationship between their own dental care and the number of professional dental treatments they'll have to undergo during their life. It's not at all a fact that it is better for a society if self inflicted damage of teeth just gets paid by the collective. Any treatment of detrimental effects (which are are very unlikely to be caused by dental problems) getting payed by "1 obligated public insurance" anyway, which is a good thing imo.
I would like to know more details of Canada's health system, didn't hear enough except for it being single-payer. This guy Halvorson seems to be pushing mandatory for profit healthcare system. We have that now.
Styzor, thank you. That sounds close to John Conyers Bill HR 676 National medicare for all. Price controlled not for profit single-payer healthcare is the best way forward. F*** defense spending.
Great interview . . . though if you think deeply about the consequences and logical implications, you may be driven to vomit over the extreme negative consequences for the patient and family. George Halvorson describes how the existing system is incented to provide sub-optimal care . . . sadly this includes in extreme cases the death of the patient. It is horrifying to look at the death statistic comparison Halvorson alludes to.
Just a foreigners point of view as the president of Kaiser did he not condon the USA unfair system
If he was so moral why did he work there. Money?
*Note to Self:* Invest in Keiser Permanente $$$
It's a non-profit. No investors.
Stop using "capitalist" "socialist" "communist" etc. as terms to describe microeconomic and political processes, Cenk, and I don't say that in a judgmental way with a political bias, it's just painfully obvious that he has no clue about political theory.
YOU SHOULD'VE ASKED HIM WHY IT TAKES 15 YEARS TO GET A DAMN MENTAL HEALTH APPOINTMENT AT KAISER!
So we're okay with concluding that the main reason people drop out of school is because they aren't smart enough, and that's because their parents were ignorant and neglectful? Really? I am not discounting the importance of early childhood brain development, but come on. There is a reason that rich people are far, far more likely to end up with college degrees, and it isn't because they all magically have superior parents and superior brains.
Its not because they have superior brains its because they have superior salaries. They can pay for private schools and tutors. Also because they have better connections and networking to get their children the best education and easy access to jobs thereafter.
Exactly. And yet they somehow managed to have this entire conversation without any reference to the social factors involved in educational disparities and mass incarceration. Taken to its logical extreme, this argument is essentially a neurological justification for inequality.
Devera G Uh, The Authors book was discussed,vwhich was written in response to THIS specific resesrch as the basis for concentrating efforts on stimulating the brain cells of infants at a much younger age than was before thought important. These predictors are simple and come into play before nore compkex social factors. Christ, the negativity blows me away.. whinging, cynical, negative complainers.
Look, this is not criticism for criticism's sake. As I said in my original post, I am not questioning the value of research on early brain development--of course that is important. I am, however, disputing the overreaching implications the author seems to draw from this research--that this early development is almost entirely determinative of an individual's life trajectory. He specifically says that you can predict who is going to drop out of school when kids are 3 years old, and from there who is going to end up in prison. Again, am I saying that brain development has no impact on these outcomes? No, of course not. But it is irresponsible not to mention that there are social factors equally at play--because there are plenty of people who actually do believe that poor people (and particularly poor black people) are simply not cut out for success, and this argument could be seen to justify that belief.
I see your point about poor black ppl not being cut out for success but he never mentions race while describing the needs of infants in early development. Any implications of race are brought into the discussion through the people that are on the receiving end of this information. Which at this point includes you. White ppl are also poor and also suffer the same social factors that black people suffer from. Any one that can conclude that poor black ppl are just not cut out for success from this information have deep rooted opinions on race and will attach those opinions to anything that will validate their point.
This dude sounds like a walking paid promotion for Kaiser Permanente. And he keeps talking about specifically private healthcare mandates. Smells like a lobbyist to me. Also that nations in the eu don´t have single payer is just false. Granted there are many different systems. But to claim non of them is single player is just not true.
I have Kaiser and it's awesome, this stuff is legit.
RasakBlood HE ALSO lobbies for the Single payer Canadian system. Does he sound like a Canadian too? He actually lobbied for "the expansion of medacaid" and said it was criminal too cut it. I didn't like the amount of times he said the name "Kaiser Permanente." but, I'm not going to dismiss everything he says and treat him with such suspicion whenever's thing he says makes sense and I haven't done the research to be able to counter any statistics and say differently.
cenk seems to be slurring a lot lately. is he alright?
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Seth Rich.
fuck you, pay attention or delete yourself from the internet! all you 4chan/infowars trolls have to say is misinformed dishonest smears against any thing of intellectual integrity and honesty. if you wont pay attention and use your brain GTFO! you don't know the facts of the seth rich killing, yet you already have your pitchforks out for the democrats, just like pizza gate.
ps the young Turks revolution started from a group of progressive dental students that included Armenians and the role of the movement was to overthrow the Turkish theocratic rule. afterward, the movement was hijacked by the industrial military complex of turkey. but all the minutia and intricacy is lost on your tiny minds because you simply are brainwashed to hate and distrust progressives because they deal in facts and you deal is preconceived dispositions. don't talk about the Armenian genocide if you know nothing about it and don't talk about seth rich, because you know nothing about it. you aren't clever, you are sheeple!
This guy steals everyone else's ideas and research and then vomits it all back up with big chunks of me, me, me and my donor promotion.
Kaiser is awesome.
writernthesky until you get sick...
No, especially if you get sick.