Something Very Serious is Wrong with this 2010 Acura RL! What did the CAR WIZARD find???
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- What does the CAR WIZARD 🧙♂️ find on this 2010 Acura RL SH-AWD!
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Keep in mind, as clearly stated in the video. Customer wanted NEW or REMAN ONLY.
Refused used engines whatsoever, regardless of miles, or money savings. You guys keep reccomending used engines. Its not your car. Customer refuses used engines.
I love my Acura RDX I only use OEM AND NEW. Used is just going to make me cry later.
I would imagine that if he was presented with an option for a used engine with 40K miles to match the rest of his car, and if the price was thousands less, he'd go for that -- but as you say, it's his car and his decision. Interesting that they don't offer replacement engines. Nice video.
Picky customer for a guy that can't keep oil in his engine.
@@kennethfromkin6141 you imagine what you want. Not what he wants. His dime.
@@jjmarz1001 it's his money money. He gets to be picky. Not your cash. He can do whatever he wants with his money. He has it, he spends it. Seems simple to me.
"That engine is hardly broken in".
Yup. It's broken completely in.
@Car Wizard, hey man I don't want to sound too 'ricey' but couldn't you swap out for a K20 engine from Japan? They have some really incredible low mileage and the price is considerably less than 7 thousand dollars no?
@@battosaijenkins946 Turbo K swap RL? Spend $5k and have much more fun!
@@battosaijenkins946 i was wondering about that. they do do it in Japan where you have to swap in a new motor after x time and they don't put that many miles on it, but i guess it's the stigma of it being a used engine or the shipping is a real killer.
@@jorgey4 Japan has all sorts of rules / incentives to make sure people buy a new car every five years or so. The old cars get exported to places like New Zealand or scrapped.
Keep in mind, as clearly stated in the video. Customer wanted NEW or REMAN ONLY.
Refused used engines whatsoever, regardless of miles, or money savings. You guys keep reccomending used engines. Its not your car. Customer refuses used engines.
I’ve got a 2010 RL with 46k miles...also in pristine condition. I can absolutely understand wanting this poor customer’s heartbreak. I’d probably spend $7k to do the same thing.
the old 3.0 Legends were well lengendary...
there is no "probably" involved. it's worth the ticket without question.
Yeah it’s definitely worth it
46,000 mi what a garage baby
I have an Acura MDX with a similar engine, and I do all the work on it myself. Here's a tip: The low frequency of the sound indicates that the problem is in the valve train, since cam shafts rotate at half the speed of the crank shaft. If there's no cross contamination between coolant and oil (and you showed no leaks of either), then the block is probably okay. So they haven't thrown a rod. Also, since it starts up, that also indicates no damage to the block. Since that seems to be the case, remove the valve covers and inspect for damage in the variable valve timing and cam shafts. If no damage is visible, drop the engine and remove the cylinder heads. Most likely the damage will be somewhere in the valve train, but this will also allow you to inspect the block very thoroughly. Repair/replacement of cylinder heads or valve gear is certainly better and lower cost than a new engine.
An even better tip is; DONT BUY EXPENSIVE CARS! They’re just disposable status symbols. Find yourself a good cheap car that you CAN afford to repair or replace if they go tits up! (A broken-down Lamborghini Murceliago sitting in your garage rotting away is not impressing anybody)
@@chrismayer3919hat’s debatable. There’s pricier cars that are priced the way they are. A good example of this is the inflated price of older sports/performance cars that cost tens of thousands, even though they’re well over the 90-100k+ mileage range. People know those cars are reliable, and most do the math to calculate how much it might cost if things aren’t the way they are when they decide to settle on buying the car (since other options might not be able now or even later).
But, of course, this is coming from an average car enthusiast, and not some millionaire who buys the top trim level Ferrari with like every practical available option, and doesn’t even know how typical oil changes work, or how a typical dual clutch transmission operates.
I, myself, have bought a semi-unique car, knowing parts and whatnot are semi-hard to come by. This means that I should be ready to pay for parts and do certain repairs if I decide to drive it hard and break things on the car. I’m most likely going to even have a whole donor car on the side if I can help it. This will pretty much alleviate most to all of the issues I might encounter, on a rather basic level. But hey, that’s just my particular take on it.
Some people just buy cheap(er) cars and have the crappiest luck. I suggested someone to get a 1998 Toyota Camry V6 sedan with only 98k miles, yet they decided to opt for a 2013 Ford Fiesta base model sedan. Needless to say, the car didn’t last more than a year or two, esp with lack of maintenance.
Some shops prefer to cover themselves on these things and provide a limited warranty.
In the UK, this model is called a Honda Legend - owned 5 and they were all brilliant family cars
Very very unusual for a 3.5 or 3.7 to go wrong. We only had the 3.5 in the UK.
owner ran it low on oil unfortunatly
I miss the old Acura Legend in the US
@@modernconflict9888 Oh no. :(
Miss the old shape Leg-ends, decent car, bet the manual was great, only ever driven slushbox versions :-(
I want to say this RL is actually pretty rare, they don't sell many RL in general, especially this generation towards the end
No doubt! I have 2012 TL 3.7 and I love that ride. But this one looks sweet. Never seen RL with this front design on the road..?? Looks really. Nice.
@@Corkoth55 I have a 05 TL, with RLX being discontinued, I'm thinking of getting a used RLX hybrid (if good price lol), really want to try that SHAWD thing
I have a 2010 RL I just picked up a few months ago from its original owner. I like the car a lot but it gets pretty terrible gas mileage
@@alecedmisten7639 I'd suggest checking the oil level periodically, been seeing they have oil consumption issues apparently. That's probably how this one got low on oil and ended up getting rod knock
@@garykong7597 the RLX sport hybrid looks cool as hell
The transmission is at the front of the car on these, with a drive to the rear axle. The rear differential has a planetary gear set attached that can overdrive the rear axle about 5% faster than the front axle in some situations. This was done in order to make the rear torque-vectoring system work better. This car does not have a rear transaxle, just an extra overdrive.
Then why does it say ATF?
a differential uses heavy gear oil......
@@MrPaige222 Acura used ATF for the rear diff.
4WD systems can be really complex.
@@MrPaige222 they used in some cases the same fluid in both transmission and differential, a planet gearset in the rear diff would for sure support the need for atf regardless of a transmission or not
I have no idea--I had just heard of rear transmissions 5-6 years ago, but dude that is a HUGE differential if there is no transmission back there.
(As of April 2022): New and used vehicle prices have gotten so far out of hand that $7 grand put into THAT particular car is no longer unreasonable. Great video - thanks.
You remind me of a great childhood memory I have --
16 year old me watching Stacy David rebuild cars at 4am with my father before going to work. We used to do that almost religiously. Anytime I watch your videos Wizard, I get that same memory every time, and it's a wonderful memory to me!
Also --- WHAT A MINT of an Acura!
I drove a brand new MDX that got rodnock within the first 3 miles. They found it was a manufacturing defect and gave me 10k off the price I paid for my troubles.
Lmfaoooo I could only IMAGINE you're face after paying for it and driving it home and all of a sudden ride knock engine toast. I'd be FURIOUS. so did they give you a different mdx or did you keep that one, get the new engine and the 10k back in cash?
That's what I would expect. If a car with 3 miles develops rod knock, they better give me a new engine.
Wow only 3 miles . atleast you saved 10 k
what year?
If this was my car, I wouldn't hesitate to fix it. My big worry would be how good a job will the rebuilders do?
Sure... But only if you got 7k spare laying around.
@@computerdeals What is the alternative? I'd rather take out a 7K loan than a 30k+ new car loan to get something in this condition.
Yup, that's the fear.
@@lorencooper6043 You are the owner? I saw you make a couple of comments? If they are going to do that, are you having the car shipped back to that dealer? That would be great news. You should write a comment and have the Car Wizard "pin" it to the top so people can follow your progress.
@@louiswilliamhicks yep! I’ll definitely keep you posted on it! I’ll keep the wizard posted on it too
If it was my car, I'd see about the possibilities of putting the widely available 3.5 in it.
He would lose 50 horsepower though
a bunch of engines can be imported from Japan,Russia.
@@sergeihanush2262 at what cost?
@@aaronshensky9385 2000 engine in Vladivostok, plus probably a 1000 for delivery.
@Duncan Macleod lkq has one engine with 137k miles
Thank you for saving this car. As an enthusiast, I love seeing cars that are obviously loved by their owners saved even if it doesn't make "economical" sense.
Not everything is about money.
You are like the only guy who gets this. :D
I DO THE SAME WITH MY CAR. I HAVE KEPT IT ALIVE FOR 26 YEARS.
RIGHT????? I am so happy and I would do the SAME THING. This car is worth it. It’s that special.
@@805NAVE LIKE NEW. INSIDE OUTSIDE, AND UNDERNEATH.
this one actually makes sense to save.
Thank you for making a video on this RL. As an Acura owner, it saddens me to hear the bad news regarding the engine. Glad the customer is fixing it the right way.
It would be so good to actually see it being pulled apart and actually see what has died
To cause the knocking 😍😍👍👍
I sure hope they'll do a video on it!
I'm retired now,but when I still had my shop I used to explain to customers the difference between oi pressure and level,I would compare oil pressure to blood pressure,If your blood pressure is zero,you die pretty quick,the same with an engine,zero oil pressure means a quick death unless you immediately turn off the key and coast to the side of the road,you may be lucky and save the engine from major damage.---People don't know the difference between oil level and oil pressure,they think that when the oil light comes on that they have to add oil.
Yes, most definitely, I’d be willing to bet it was due to lack of use or improper maintenance.
1. Oil changes/checking the level was being based on mileage. It could’ve had 2,500 miles since the last change but if it had been a year or two the oil would’ve degraded to the point that it failed to protect the delicate components.
2. Seals had deteriorated.
thats def a rod knocking 100% that noise is always easy to verify
These 3.7s had a recall for faulty piston design. I work on em every day.
I'd love to hear what the Wizard or the rebuilder thinks really happened. My gut says it was run out of oil, except that the exterior of the engine is really nice and dry.
EDIT: notes in the comments below say that the oil pump failed.
No. There was a recall for these 3.7s. poor piston/ring design leads to excessive oil consumption
@@supersabrosinho i have Legend 3.7 for 13 years now and no recalls except of passenger airbag 250000 miles on it
I would like to know what the root cause is. oil pump failure? failed rings causing high oil consumption =low oil level .It would be interesting to see in a follow up video.
It's the piston rings/liner. It's highly documented. 3.7 j series. They all do it.
Yeah wondering what caused it too
I would like to see a video on the re build if they decide on that option.
My guess oil pump failure and spun a bearing, its not a hard rebuild folks, people have been rebuilding DOHC V6's for decades. It does not need to be sent to Michigan, they truly are confusing it with a Ferrari. Its a Honda, find a Honda guy, they are everywhere.
Root cause is son driving it like a race car.
Why don’t you pull it, strip it down to the block and head, send it off to your local machine shop, and have them rebuild it for you? They’ll clean it, deck it, put new bearings in it, reassemble. I’m not understanding why that isn’t an option in your mind. There is nothing special about a Honda 3.7. It’s just got a bigger stroke probably. My local machine shop here in the Valley would probably charge 2k for that.
I kinda wondered that. That is, of course, assuming that 𝒔𝒑𝒂𝒓𝒆𝒔 are available.
Surely, unless the actual block is damaged, the engine can be repaired? I didn't hear anything about the customer not wanting a repair. Are we not talking about a guy called the "Car 𝑾𝒊𝒛𝒂𝒓𝒅"?
Don't get me wrong, I'm no mechanic but, if parts are available, why can't the engine be repaired? The way the Wizard spoke, he hasn't investigated too much. Do we know exactly what's wrong with it?
we miss you 50skid! Please do some more videos or tell us about your life! Do a video soon! I fixed my BMW alone so many times cause of your instructions and i really really thank you for that!
As stated by others, the 3.7 from the TL SH-AWD(J37A4) and ZDX(J37A5) with the dual VTEC heads will be a near direct swap. Might be some accessory or sensor differences, but they're nearly identical.
The car is worth $12K tops in perfect condition---not sure throwing a rebuilt engine in there at $7K is smart. Just let it go, use the $7K on a 2011 Prius or Camry and the kid will finish his PhD with value left in either of those.
@@trevorsutherland5263 - Yep. Sell the car for $3k-$4k and move on. Let the next person deal with a used engine replacement.
@@OMGWTFLOLSMH Acura of Roseville has agreed to cover the costs because of the issue and regular maintenance preformed at that dealer. According to the owner.
@@trevorsutherland5263 some people when they rebuilt the engine or motor they know they're not going to get their money back they just want to have a reliable car to take them from point a to point b it's more like an investment personal investment
Could I out the j37 air intake manifold on a j35a8 motor in a kb1 '05
YES! Finally some Acura Videos and I'm glad it's of a 2nd Gen RL. They're the most under-rated Acura ever next to the 2003 CL Type S with the Manual Transmission. Unfortunately oil burning is a common issue with ALL Honda/Acura J37 3.7L Engines because of faulty piston rings from the factory. You can read all about the class action lawsuits that are STILL on going with these engines. They burn oil like crazy and unfortunately that's what probably happened to this car and the owner didn't realize that it was so low on oil until it was too late.
Prime example of the saying: "anything mechanical can fail at any time."
Exactly!
This makes me afraid of driving my car long distances
I have a 92 Camry I bought for $500 and put 400k miles in it till the engine blew at 500k. I won't hesitate to put $3k in it and drive it for another 20 years. $7k on this clean car is a bargain because the alternative is anothet $60k for a new car.
Engine blew at only 500K?
The Camry engine would literally run for ever if it could be resleeved
Sure but it is still a lot of money that the owner may or may not have..to spend on it.
May I suggest you get out and live life a little? We are only here for a short time you know----go buy a Hellcat.
No one runs a car with that many miles in my country.. We just scrap them. Socialists can afford because we ain't paying for healthcare.
I have a 1998 Acura tl that my dad bought in 1999 from a doctors wife. Dad didnt drive the car for a few years due to his health, and when he passed, I said to my wife, dad loved that acura, its time to fix it up a little and drive it. First was the exhaust system. That was a heck of a hunt, but parts were available, then it came to the brake rotors and pads, from sitting they rusted and glazed over, called dealership both acura and honda. They said not available. Ended up napa was able to them over a week for them to source all the parts. Then I had to take it in for inspection, abs light periodically came on, mechanic said it's the front right abs sensor starting to go bad. Bad news though, no one makes a replacement... a shame this happens to something like a Honda/acura. Oh well we still love the car and it only has 68,000 miles on it.
RE: Hoovie's Leisure VAN
The VCR probably just has dirty heads from sitting so long. There's a good chance you can just run a good quality HEAD CLEANER thru a few times and it will work just fine. That or you can adjust the TRACKING... Take it from this old guy...!
Love your show... good luck!
have you thought about a 3.5l or 3.7l short engine from ebay? also asking Honda direct rather than through dealer? Honda America or even Honda in Japan direct? It can be more useful as middle men might not want to say "we can get one in 3 months" might be worth seeing which parts are needed and pricing the parts up as they are known to support parts long term even is don't have a spare engine. you could look into marine engines from Honda too.
That's a real shame. The customer must really love that car to throw $7k at it. There choice and respect that. Be good to see a couple of video's on this one - engine out and back in, if you're allowed, Wizard. Thanks for a great video.
I know the owner IRL and I can tell you he takes great pride in taking care of his belongings.
@@adamgraham6265 Tell him that this is an amazing car and that it is 100% worth saving!
@@Shabbe02 an acura dealer in cali is paying for the damage since there was such a massive defect.
@@adamgraham6265 interesting so they are paying the wizard to do the job??? why won’t the Acura dealer do it themselves?
@@Shabbe02 it's his choice to use a mechanic of his choosing or the dealership. Honestly he may be paying partial so it may be in his benefit to keep it safe with the wizard vs some young tech.
I got an 06 RL currently as a loaner from a friend while my cars alternator gets rebuilt and it has just shy of 300k miles and the car only looks like a high mile car on the seats. They are torn in some areas but the body is clean, no dings hardly and all straight panel gaps. Rides like a dream
The RL is one of the best made Honda’s ever...it’s NSX level, made in japan
I can confirm that. I took pot holes, a few curbs, a steel lane dividing cone and hell even a ladder (dropped off a truck in front of me at highway speed)....and absolutely nothing happened to the car, except for a few scratches to the underside plastic. This car is a tank.
@@gbriank1 yes the built quality between the RL and TL is night and day, it was basically Honda of the early 2000s showing off their engineering ability, similar to Mercedes of the late 80s. If you read about some of the tech introduced in this car it is astonishing.
Actually all J series Honda engines are made in the US
@@kingmarz3635 Is that the Marysville, OH plant?
@@gbriank1
The J-series is Honda's fourth production V6 engine family introduced in 1996, after the C-series, which consisted of three dissimilar versions. The J-series engine was designed in the United States by Honda engineers. It is built at Honda's Anna, Ohio, and Lincoln, Alabama, engine plants.
I've been working at an Acura dealer for 4 years, unfortunately I have never seen one this nice, most of them are trashed cause the current owners can't afford to fix them, just buy them because it's the former Acura flagship
This car is in truly amazing condition... oh besides the BLOWN ENGINE!
At 3:37 that's the ATF cooler, not the PS one. And regarding the engine knock - with J37 the odds are it can be just the rocker arm spring, that's a common problem with these and a cheap and easy fix with the engine left unharmed even though it sounds like it's falling apart.
If it turns out that the engine is indeed toast, then one can easily import a low mileage J37 from Japan between 2000-3000$ tops.
I did a swap on my RL and spent $500 on a used engine and swapped accessories. Did everything my self and it’s running good.
There is a used 3.7 on eBay imported from Japan for 1899.99 with Free Shipping from San Diego-approx 50k miles and compression tested.
At 5:30...
I'm impressed that a 4 door Acura has a carbon fiber reinforced driveshaft!
Composite driveshaft?
Not Reinforced. It a carbon fiber driveshaft.
Cool in an S2000. Not so Cool in that RL. Why bother?
It also has torque vectoring. They'll haul around a corner.
so the son was driving it and he is going to school. it sounds like he was racing it around and over revved it and blew up daddy’s car
that's what I'm thinking, those cars are pretty quick so I wouldn't doubt the kid was beating on it
Yeah, that sounded suspect to me. There's got to be more to the story than he was told.
@@LN997-i8x I’ll tell you the story, it was only out here for five days until the engine blew up going to the car wizards. I was going from McPherson to Newton. Driving 78 in high gear until I saw a flashing check engine light then a low oil light. Pulled off in Hesston and I was hearing knocking. Called AAA to take it to the wizards and that’s where it sat for this video to be made
Also they don't like 87 gas
Nice car. I would fix it. We need not know how it happened, it just happened. Now we need to deal with the problem.
You are the most honest mechanic I have seen but the true about this car engine bad problem is that these cars including mdx.rdx and beyond have a manufacturing recalls from 2008,2009 2010,,11,,and 12, is a oil consumption that results in piston rings and more that happens to my mdx too and I every one who owns one of these vehicles have a mail notice to get fish at no cost from Acura’s manufacture
Lol , wizard is so amazed at a car like this. Since he is used to Hoovie's hooptie patrol
I have a 2010 tech package in the same color, great car. Bought it with 180k miles for a whopping $3500, it was a one owner with great service history but I stole it because of the miles. Now it has 232 on it going strong. Best car I have ever owned, and probably will ever own.
3.7 or 3.5? And have the piston rings been replaced?
MDX also had the 3.7
I think the MDX had dohc and the RL had sohc.
@@zippySquirrelface both were 300 hp sohc
@@jackiejorpjomp I'm pretty sure they can use the 3.7 V6 from the SH-AWD TL I'm not sure why they are making it a hassle to find a used engine for this RL when theirs hundreds of TL of the ERA on the road or in the junkyard.
@@jackiejorpjomp regardless, Mr wizard said no engine swaps allowed.
@@kimitsu20 yeah very strange, although I'd bet it's not the exact same design. The engine in the RL seems flatter and wider than what was in the TL.
What caused the rod to through, .was it low oil ?. That 7k price for a quality rebuild seems like best bet.
That’s such a shame. I dislike how a manufacturer can just walk away even though it’s obvious it’s a manufacturer defect. They should at least pay half the bill.
According to the owner the dealer where he is from is paying for the bill because of the meticulous service and having taken the car exclusivly to one dealer.
@@adamgraham6265 Wow!! That’s great.
@@adamgraham6265 then why isn't the dealer installing the engine?
@@gregh7457 it might be i don't know
@@adamgraham6265 oh i figured it out. the car is serviced at the dealer in roseville calif and the car is in kansas. cost of shipping it is expensive and they get great customer service exposure on car wizards channel
Must of been driven very low on oil these 3.7s had a warranty extension on the piston rings which causes them to burn oil.
I had a 2012 Acura TL here in Canada with the same engine and I had the piston rings replaced for free at the dealer due to excessive oil consumption.
The 2010 RL engine didnt have that recall. I know for a fact that the engine was full of oil.
@@lorencooper6043 If that’s the case that is pretty disappointing for such a low mileage Honda engine to have such catastrophic failure. I’ve had several 3.7l Mdx’s in the family with well over 300k kms still running like new.
He makes more of the engine rarity than it actually is.
Same engine is in TL SH-AWD.
Also, you can buy a used one from LKQ, or car-part.com or a rebuilt from Jasper.
And it was in the MDX and the ZDX.
The reason why there aren't any 3.7's out there is because they're typically bulletproof and don't need replacing. This is an extremely rare and unfortunate case. Acura isn't to blame and neither is the owner - just terrible luck!
That wouldn't be why you couldn't find a good used motor, that's the exact opposite reason.
actually the are prone to lots of oil consumption problems a quart every 1000 miles and need timing belt servers from 50k to 100k depending on the weather and rls are not the only ones with 3.7 j series tls also have it
You cant find them cause they were only produced from 09-14, I believe. Oil consumption is a big issure. Acura dealer replaced pistons and piston rings on my 2010 TL out of warranty for free. It's about $5k job!
3.7 had an issue with oil consumption and dealers swapped out hundreds of engines.
Not surprised there aren't anymore out there.
TH-cam AHC garage did a complete tear down of that same 3.7 engine and discovered the cause of a similar problem. They heads went and the rocker arms failed. They recommended the same engine replacement. The video was dated 12-25-2021
Rip
How come a 3.7 Acura TL Shawd won’t work as a replacement engine???
That's exactly what I'm thinking as well. This engine shouldn't be any different than the TL's. They came with 3.5 for the FWD and 3.7 for the SH-AWD.
Won’t jive with the computers...all about computers
they made different versions of the 3.7 depending on application, with the RL and ZDX engines being the rarest
Yeah, the TL 3.7L engines used electric power steering but the RL still used Hydraulic power steering. You can even see the high pressure line when Wizard zooms in around the Serpentine belt. Small differences like that can change an engines serial number.
The engine is cast differently, different internals, and different engine tune. Pretty much nothing is the same. The RL was very special, and they made very few.
We had a 2005 RL and now we drive a 2011 RL. They ARE very nice cars but do have some frustrating quirks, like... windshield wiper blades were a 'dealer item' only until recently!! Couldn't get 'em anywhere else! Oh, BTW, that beautiful wood on the dash?... not wood: it's plastic. Mr. Honda Sr. didn't do wood. Now, Mr. Honda Jr. does put real wood in cars!
Although a crate or rebuild would be preferable...
It’s still an 11 year old car, regardless of how nice it is, and a junk yard motor will b just fine.
Note: they ran it out of oil folks !
My 99' Honda Prelude is just like this TL, in immacualte condition. It has 180k miles & the head gasket blew. Went in to repair it & my trusted mechanic told me at the machine shop they noticed the valves and rocker arms were too worn down & they didnt even want to refinish the head. No to mention due to the FRM sleeves in the H series engines, my engine was burning a ton of oil, which is common in these. Ended up getting a used European dosmetic market H23A engine, the ones that went in Preludes & Accord SiR in Europe, for about $2600 with 45-60k miles on it. The main diffrrence being a smaller oil pan & oil pumped being needed. Being that the 5th gen Prelude only had about 50k of them made, the USDM H22A was very hard to get a hold of, decents ones upwards of $3000+. I had a mountain of things replaced on the "new" engine and ended up with about a $7000 bill. But, like this owner, I love my car & know its rarity. I have rarely ever driven it & somebody not compliment , honk, wave, or let me know how nice & rare they are to find one in mint condition, and a manual tranmission!
I’m assuming you mean a new engine is hard to find. Used 3.7’s are everywhere
Wonder why they are so common used though, not new. Mayhaps supply is so greatly overcoming demand that it's oversaturating the used market with more than likely, dead or dying engines?
I wish they made these with manual transmissions in the US.
you can get the same engine/awd system in the TL with a manual
@@chrisriley557 Those are rare, and if you can find it then it's very expensive. RL's are a lot cheaper, albeit Automatics.
@@Roosyer I just checked autotrader and their are 7 for sale in the whole country, didnt realize they are that rare...
@@chrisriley557 Yup, those are hard to find unfortunately.
My 93 Topaz made the same noise when it threw a rod. 😑
Open the engine get the crack shaft cut to 10% and service oil pump and install new bigon barring. all will cost 8,500 rupees in Pakistan. 60$ dollars american...
With oil and filter....
That’s the nice thing about living where there’s no snow. My 2005 mustang gt still looks almost new underneath. The paint and the top is another story. 8 months of 93 plus heat every day and insane sun just eats your paint away in Florida. The heat drys out plastic. The sun is so strong that you buy new wipers and the next week they will be dried and dragging on the windshield
Wasn't no factory defect the kid probably just never changed the oil .
Bout to say it still has the factory honda oil filter, probably still on the 2010 factory oil. LoL
@@eldonerc2524 It would still run... Those Honda engines are helluva tough! The engine should have been worn at worst, not "broken". If you want to trash a Honda engine draing it of oil completely... Maybe there wasn't enough oil?
There's a TSB about piston rings on that gen 3.7 J series engines. They're known to burn oil cuz of it. They have a program where they monitor your oil consumption for 3k mi & they do piston rings for you free if you're burning enough oil. Tons of info on it. I was shopping 2010 tl's for a bit & it scared me away from them. Used to have a 2010 tsx & those K series also had the oil burning issue
@@RothBeyondTheGrave what about the 2009 TSX? I read those are great and almost purchased one in manual.
@@jamesmedina2062 that's the same gen as the 2010 actually. One MAJOR reason had me get rid of mine. Intermittent failure of the vsa modulator. It's married to the abs, the sensors go bad & it lets air into the braking system. 90% loss of brakes. Mostly happens during hard braking over rough patches, but can literally happen anytime. Scariest shit I've ever experienced in a car. No aftermarket solutions, $2,200 part only from Acura which 2 Acura techs told me to my face will also likely fail cuz they're bad from factory. Other than that & rear rotor warping, (which I also had) it's seemingly bulletproof. Enormous bang for buck & wish I had gotten the manual, but if you get that vsa issue.....sometimes it lasts for months & you literally have 10% of your brakes. It happened at 57k mi on mine.
The 2010 RL is a really cool car!
Big question. Where did the oil go?? Surely it wasn't burning it up? Or rather, was the oil level ok?
Can you shoehorn an Odyssey engine in it?
The mounting should be the same.
My buddy has this same engine in his 2013 TL - and this motor is always low on oil - lot of guys on forums have same issue with 3.7 burning oil - interesting the Honda/Acura went quickly back to the 3.5L - the 3.5L in my 07 tl type s has 220k miles no issues - dealer did replace the oil pump at 200k mile timing belt job.
So did you say it was nice? I must have missed that 🤣🤣🤣
RLs are actually really rare.
Isn’t it possible throw a 3.5 Honda engine in there?
That's what I was thinking. If they just changed the stroke to get a 3.7, then shoehorn a 3.5 in it.
Or just use a Acura TL 3.7 engine
It might have extra sensors or the computer tuning for it might be different.
That model year they added more features to the engine to get it over 300hp it would fit but the converion wouldn't be work the money the engine cats and full exhaust have to be swapped since the 3.7 has extra piping to feed exhaust gas back into the engine
Im pretty sure this RL has the 3.7L V6 which made 300HP
For everyone that keeps talking about the 3.7 L being readily available in the MDX and TLS - The 3.7 in the RL is a J37A2. The MDX was an A1 and a TL was an A4. Yes, there are lots of A1s and A4s available but you can't just pop one of those in the RL when the ECU is programmed for the A2. That's not the way it works.
There are several motors under 100k miles on eBay right now for that Acura. Most of them are around $2500. At about a $5000 savings over the option you are looking at now, it may be the way to go.
I do that over a questionable rebuild but hard to check out those engines.
Yeah. I don't understand The " you can't possibly buy a replacement" lol
That price on Ebay is engine only. No re and re labor. Plus all the "while you are in there" parts. Can you trust the Ebay seller enough to risk getting an unknown history engine? That's the dilemma here.
You guys clearly didnt pay attention to the video. Customer demands new or rebuilt only. Refuses used engines altogether. No matter the miles
@@CarWizard - The customer is being unreasonable. They need to sell the car for parts. Or, I'll give them 10¢ on the dollar and put in a salvage engine myself. Why so fussy on a 10 year old Honda sedan?
Well here is the thing unlike the 3.5 the 3.7 wasn't used in a lot of cars. It was on the MDX for like 2 years, the TL 4th gen (2009-2014), and the acura rl
What about getting a new engine directly from Japan?
Was the oil amount checked? Maybe dealer put the incorrect quantity/wrong oil?
How much would shipping on an entire engine be from the other side of the world?
@@Jetfuture737 the guys that import the K24 vtec Honda engines pay around $1500-2000 for Japanese engines. I would imagine an Acura 3.7 being so rare would cost around $3k
The oil pump failed. the dipstick read full.
I am surprised there are not any engines from salvage yards of cars that were low mileage in accidents
I watched a shop mechanic take a chance on an older Taurus. He took the pan off. Found a spun rod bearing. The journal has some aluminum transfer from the bearing. He cleaned it up with bands of emery cloth getting the aluminum off put a new bearing in lots of assembly lube and that was it. The other bearings were ok.He cleaned up the debris. He won that one.
Motor swap? Pop in the motor from the Ridgeline/MDX/Pilot?
Wizard says the customer wants a New or Remanufactured engine. If they were less picky, the identical 3.7 V6 engines to this RL was also in Late 2nd gen MDX, SHAWD 4th gen TLs, and All Acura ZDX.
These 3.7’s are documented to have oil consumption problems. I almost bought one of these today and decided to read the forums and thank goodness I did. Dodged a huge bullet
Does this guy have a lift and polish the bottom of his car?
nope haha all of its life its been in a garage and its only been driven in the rain 3 times.
Plate is from CA, so unless he lives really close to the ocean, the sun is the major culprit. It's amazing what a dry salt free climate will do, especially if it's kept in a garage most of the time.
@@VC-Toronto Its from Sacramento
If I had a lift in my garage, I would!
@@300DBenz House next to my buddies place is a house built in the 60's, has a 2 car garage, and one of the "bays" has a walk down pit. Don't know the backstory to know why the prior owner or builder wanted a house in a residential area to have a pit, but likely a car-guy/gal at heart.
Funny thing my wife has a 2019 Acura TLX 3.5L V6 with a recall for a journal pin defect in the crankshaft and were told to listen for that engine noise 🙂 The RL is a well built car that just did not sell for Acura.
Guessing maybe they never changed the oil?
They never checked the oil and ran it dry. 3.7 engines burn oil and need to be monitored closely. It wouldn't shock me if the kid was thrashing the shit out of it too.
@@OMGWTFLOLSMH yup i bet that's it
My 2007 Acura TL has over 260,000 miles on it and still going strong very good engines.
The Kid was beating the Piss out of it, goes with not having any skin in the game,
If it were a Kia/Hyundia it would have still been under warranty.
You would be doing neutral drops or something
Thats what I thought too. But with the body, interior, and undercarriage being in such good shape I doubt it a little. If the oil light came on then maybe the oil pump failed or the kid neglected the maintenance. Even then it only had 42,000 miles on it and wasn't leaking. If The Wizard suspected intentional misuse he certainly kept his mouth shut about it.
One of the reasons I chose to be a Honda and Acura tech was their quality hardware. And they are designed to be serviced.
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Thats how all of us gearheads get when we see/touch carbon fiber parts Mr.Wizard. You are a man of culture sir!
That sucks for that guy!! Nice car and great video showing what can happen to the best specimens.
Side note: I had my engine fail on my plane, cost me $40,000 to get it replaced with a factory reman (after core exchange and labor). The plane was worth about $65k.
Find a low mileage car thats smashed in the back on Copart or IAAI.
Weird. In Canada, the TL SH-AWD from 09-14 (12-14 for sure) were equipped with the 3.7L, whereas the FWD models had the ubiquitous 3.5L. I'm surprised the 3.7L is so unavailable.
As a honda and an acura owner I would say checking the oil level should be considered a standard thing to do.
It's a California car...so that explains why it *otherwise* looks good.
People that was the sound of death. The car timing chain tensioner failed and the vtc solenoid started it all on that car. I can tell you from experience. First it started with a little noise(sometimes not noticeable)on cold start up. That’s was the solenoid getting weaker. Then the solenoid gave out locked up the cams jumping the timing and eat up the valves. Hey Wizard can you check the timing on the old motor. I can almost bet my life on it being off by a couple of teeth. Don’t forget to look at the tensioner to see if it’s any good.
Finally, a V6 Honda that has an engine that lasts as long as its transmission.
This was far beyond their early 2000s transmissions. Laaaame old joke 😘😘
I have own 3 honda Odyssey(02,05,11) and have 1 08Acura Tl and have never had a transmission problem ever and all except our recent odyssey had well over 250,000 and my Tl has 181,000. I hear the Autos are weak but never seen any receipts.
Buy the engine from Japan, there surely are shitloads of those engines there at the wreckers. Japanese change their car at about 100,000 miles, so there is hope. And if no Acura with this particular engine was sold in Japan, sorry for my stupid comment.
I really do hope you find an engine for this beautiful car!
nope, none available
Plus, why replace a 42k miles engine with a 100k one?
@@G0ZERIAN japanese engines are postive grounded, they have a different ecu configuration and socket
@@G0ZERIAN because the 40 k miles one is buggered?
@@millionaireidealist4459 I didn't know that. Makes it a definitely harder job but still an option, though a half-assed one (I mean the Wizzard would have to strip the Japanese motor for the good parts and put those parts on the buggered engine and make it great again) ;)
Hey guys I had this same issue on my Acura TL. That noise is actually the timing belt slapping around. The TENSIONER is bad and not putting enough tension on the belt! I would check the tensioner before anything! I promise this was the EXACT noise. When you rev it up does the noise go away slightly? I replaced my entire engine just to find out it was only the tensioner as well, so hopefully I can save someone else the time and hassle.
Are you against buying them on eBay?EDIT: [THE BUYER IS AGAINST A MOTOR FROM EBAY. Customer wants new or reman only] there's a few on there 2010 RL 3.7 right? Yeah theres some on Ebay, one with 68k on it!!!!!
I know, and MDX and TL used pretty much the same exact engine.
My boss had that exact car, and it started burning a quart of oil per month. It was still under warranty, but Honda said that "burning a quart of oil every thousand miles is normal". So he took it to a different dealer where he personally knew the service manager. So they replaced the pistons, rings, crankshaft, rods, heads (basically almost everything) and both cats under warranty. He was told it was a known issue...
I looked at these when I was shipping a few years ago. Started reading about the oil issues on the SH-AWD models with the 3.7l... I passed hard on it.
That engine is toast nasty valve tap
Proof that getting in and just driving is better than looking after anything. I've bought cars brand new, never washed them, never changed the oil in them, never put a spanner on them and they've run forever.
Did not know that the transmission was in the rear of these. Always loved these cars for their tech and engineering at the time...
The transmission is in the front, it’s just the rear differential works like a transmission because it is a torque vectoring differential. It achieves that by overdriving the wheels.
@@johnnieburkhalter5265 thanks for clarifying. Very interesting
in 2008 and 2009 Honda experience serious issues with their VCM system (variable cylinder management) a whole lot of 3.5 liter honda pilots along with some honda accords and odissey minivans were recalled, perhaps that may shed some light on the issue.
I'm the proud owner of an o-6 r.l. with super handling all-wheel drive, 300K on the odometer and I still absolutely love it
Wow u got lucky tranny died at 130 n i fixed things all 4 engine mounts 3 radiators 3 alternators 3 batteries water pump n so much other shot smh
Revvv up you engines 💨
Scotty Kilmer 😆: i warned yaa
The 2009 - 2012 Acura RL had an updated 3.7L J-series engine, and it has notoriously high oil consumption. If you wait between oil changes (usually a year) the engine will become bone dry. I wonder if this is what happened. But he should have had a engine oil light in the dash. The 2005-2008 RL with the 3.5L do not have this issue. His best option is to find a junkyard 3.5L J-series from the earlier years and put it in. It'll fix the high oil consumption issue too. But he wanted a new or reman only, oh well.......
Can the 3.5 be swapped by the 3.7 in the 2011 RL?
I've been researching sporty sedans that have enough space for 2 rear facing car seats. I landed on the Acura TL and Lexus ES350. I've always been a big Honda fan boy, my wife is a Toyota fan gal. After researching the TL. The 3.7L Honda used has a lot of oil consumption issues, some customers reported 1-2qts of oil in 1000 miles! Acura did issue a TSB on all Acura 3.7L v6s BUT you have to jump through hoops in order to get them to fix yours. They make you do all sorts of oil consumption testing and stuff. Silly, in my research I'm probably gonna sacrifice 20hp and awd to be able to have a more reliable car. I wanted to know why Honda quit using the 3.7L and I found out pretty quickly.
That’s like one in a million for that to happen in a low mileage Honda.
no, they changed the engine design and used Alusil, instead of iron sleeves,, it's junk.
Honda has routinely made crap since 2007-08...
Unfortunately not so rare with the J37 engines.
Honda still skating on their 1990s reliability reputation. Those days are gone.
I’m guessing none of these people own a Honda
The customer was right, with this engine I would definitely not put a used engine in the car. The 3.7's had serious piston ring issues and most of them will have oil burning issues. There was a TSB and some of the 3.7 engines were fixed by the dealer. But if you buy a used motor you don't know if it has been fixed or if it still has the bad piston rings. If you buy new, reman or rebuild the engine you have, you know that the engine will have the updated rings.