good for us collectors tho - makes all the OG stuff even more valuable thanks to all this nonsense & good'ole Rian Johnson - there will never be any sequel merch to compete with - outside of some of the BB-8 stuff anyway cause I think we all can agree he was the real star of all of them.
All I care about now is LOTR and One Piece. Rings of Power blows, but it’s not like they’re going after every single fan favorite male legacy character and committing character assassination like what Disney and Kennedy are doing to Star Wars. Mando Season 3 and Ahsoka were it for me. Star Wars is finished. Sold a few of my vintage Star Wars autograph cards for over $1,500 this past week. The hype, lore, and excitement is gone.
Kathleen Kennedy answered the “were you always a Star Wars fan?” question exactly like non-fans would answer when they don’t want to hurt anyone’s feelings.
They bought the franchise to attract men, then the upper management said times have changed and you have to put women who will only run men down in charge. How did they not see the idiocy here?
What's craziest about that is that she's been there at Lucasfilm for DECADES and has been hiding in the grass biding time, having never been passionate about the material itself but the platform it provides her
As heretical as it sounds, I don't care if someone passes some kinda fandom litmus test, I just want them to have the right attitude, because God knows Dave Filoni is a huge fan, and he's always had a bad attitude that I don't like. And ofc, I'm not saying Kennedy has the right attitude either. But that's what I want. Someone to have the right attitude, and we don't get that from Disney-owned Lucasfilm.
Yep. If the only reason for this is to make me feel uncomfortable, then I'll stay comfortably at home watching the real star wars movies, those made by Goerge Lucas who had a story to tell not a message to push.
I don't get it: I *should* be uncomfortable because I'm a man, but the reason I'm bad is because I'm "threatened merely by a woman's existence"... I don't have a clue what these people are talking about -- like I just can't attach it to anything in reality anymore. And yeah, just totally apathetic at this point.
Rian Johnson already destroyed half the fanbase with his subversion of expectations and now they want to double down and make all of their male fans that are left feel uncomfortable? What kind of business model is this? It's like they actively want to kill the franchise.
Now is the time to stop consuming. Don't watch it, don't hate watch it, don't buy their products... Disney will only understand they need to change EVERYTHING about this when it stops bringing them money. A lot of people, however, will keep consuming, even when they don't like anything about it, and that's what gives them courage to keep pulling this crap.
This is one of the multitude of reasons why I cancelled my D+ subscription. I'm voting with my feet. Went to a secondhand shop and got the old disney properties that I care about on DVD/BluRay. My money will go to specific media to show that I appreciate that specific thing. (already had the OT and Prequel SW on DVD) No more money/countable views until they earn my support again.
It's pretty obvious that they don't want to have any legacy fans, the greatness is that we still have 30 years of content that can be loved and talked about. Buy third party EU Star Wars products and completely ignore this garbage.
@therotten6152 I'm not sure that has a positive affect for the studios. A few youtubers making content off bad productions isn't going to i crease their buttons in seats, its the opposite. What we have are hundreds of fiscal and exerts trashing bad films. While this might spike social media attentions. It doesn't result in views. The last few years have proven this.
The most psychotic thing about this whole debacle is that if a male director said the exact same thing about making women uncomfortable he would be cancelled faster than you can say "Harvey Weinstein" I'm sick of the blatant double standards.
To the psycho left it's perfectly fine to discriminate on the basis of race, sex, and sexual orientation as long as it's the 'right' ones being discriminated against. Meaning: white, male, hetero.
@@stizanley3987 It’s not a part of life. Anyone who I became friends with and had double standards are not my friends anymore. It’s weak minded to think it’s ok
Has everyone just forgotten about the great female characters like Ripley and Sara Connor and how well they were written ? Nowadays they're just all the same. They're just men with a birth canal. That's not fun to watch. That's just lazy.
I'm in this camp. I grew up with SW and was a die hard. Now I'm done with it. Didn't watch TROS in theaters. Didn't finish Mando S3. Just done with the franchise for the most part. I won't be seeing this new Rey movie either barring a shocking turn of events in which the reviews from people I trust come back raving! So many of my beloved franchises are just ruined at this point. I'm not "uncomfortable," as this lady would like me to be... I have never seen anything she's ever done and probably never will because she's one of those people who love to pat themselves on the back and preach to people who agree with her.... I'm just sad that people who hate me, hate my beliefs, hate my way of life, and hate my favorite characters and franchises, have hijacked those characters and franchises and destroyed them. Obviously no one at Disney has learned a single thing in the last 5 or so years. They are completely sold out on their agenda and are determined to preach it even if no one shows up.
She says "She likes to make men uncomfortable", and that's fine. And for me personally, "I like to avoid spending money". So I think we should get along fine.
@@Nio744 acid attacks and honor killings in Pakistan. The quote everyone is crying about is from 8 years ago yet I haven’t seen anyone tying it to the context in which why it’s actually said.
and EVEN MORE that had never been considered, much less included.. the OG Trilogy has TWO women.. Leia and Mon Mothma( who had a scene) with speaking roles... we joked about this prior to the prequels. George gave us One black character Star Wars is a franchise that speaks to EVERY demographic.. white makes can sit this one out if they have such an issue.. this OG fan is happy to see the Mouse bring it to a wider audience, even if it loses the toxic fans
Jeezus I'd never seen that clip of Kennedy being asked if she was a fan. That's a lot of words to say "no." Star Wars will continue to fail and hemorragh money as long as Kennedy is there. The fans loathe her and there is a permanent life-long boycott for literally billions of people.
Its like they never learn their lesson. They care more about their agenda than just making good movies/shows and making money. 2023 was one of the worst financial years in Disney's history and stuff like this wont help..I will never understand how alienating half of your customers is good for buisness
Michael Jordan said it best 30 years ago "Even Republicans buy sneakers." If you push stuff, ideological or whatever you want to call it, you alienate people. You get what you sow.
Truly mind boggling how incompetent Disney executives leadership is. "Rise of Skywalker had nearly a 50% decline in ticket sales from The Force Awakens, let's keep doing what we're doing, it's clearly working!"
Context: When she talked about ‘making men uncomfortable’ she was talking about a documentary she was making about honour killings. She wasn’t talking about Star Wars. So it’s likely she was only referring to men involved with honour violence. Anyone involved with something so heinous should be made uncomfortable, regardless of gender. This doesn’t mean that her movie will be good or that it won’t be woke. But it’s unfair to take something out of context and label her anti-men because of it.
Chloe Zhao is actually profitable when she is making low budget movies not made by committee. Also Eternals still turned a profit but as big as anticipated due to a global virus and getting banned in China because Zhao has principles.
Hey Thor, for me this is a lot worse than anything before. It's one thing to make creative decisions that people did not like and get backlash. It happens, and you can learn from it. It's another thing to choose staff that are specifically inflammatory towards the people frustrated by the creative decisions you made. Disney had every opportunity to make a Rey movie that could make people reconsider their opinion about the character. *I* was looking forward to it because I liked the character more than most. Now they have alienated everyone who might have given it a chance.
I saw Star Wars at 5 years old in '78, and I never thought my love for it would waiver. But Disney has totally injected a large dose of "MEH' inside of me. I really don't care much at this point what Disney Wars does next!
I was 6 when I saw Star Wars (not a new hope, Star Wars) in the theater. I'm with you. They tickled my Gen X whatever bone. I just don't care anymore. Look, I get that in my 40s/50s and beyond that I'm not the target audience. But I should still be able to go in and have a good time watching a fun movie. But instead they told me to fuck off (Forget the past, kill it if you have to). Ok, FU, I'm fucking off. Oh, and my 12 year old son and his friends? Zero interest in Star Wars. They didn't even appeal to their stated target audience.
@@Lynximussee but by doing that, ur not supporting andor, ur supporting all of the bullshit they’ve been doing, one half decent show is not good enough to justify everything else
No, no, no, no. It's dull, it’s artificial, and it never brought anything new to the table. It sucked, it means nothing because Rogue One already sealed Andor’s fate.
@@ALeaud Yes, if they stick to what made Season 1 good chances are that the follow-up too will repeat that. And people still won’t watch. Why? One good show is no longer enough to fix modern Disney’s and LucasFilm’s self-damaged reputation.
The only show that actually made me feel anything (besides anger) was Andor. That one was actually good. Mando Season 1 and 2 in parts was also not bad, but season 3 already did the same other shows did: it made me angry how bad you can fuck up by not understanding the lore or the universe (or both). These days I am just not interested anymore. Just with a few interviews I get into the "okay, will be bad, won't watch" decision.
Not looking forward to ANY upcoming Star Wars project is such a freeing feeling. I feel like the curse that Star Wars has held over me is finally broken and I can move onto other, more artistic entertainment.
I did it a while ago and it is liberating. Ignoring Rings of Power like it didn't exist taught me how to deal with the disappointment of IP destruction and reject it as non-cannon.
@@rawnchydeard4669 My kids rejected Starwars at the Obi Won series. They watched a couple of episodes and hated it. I didn't even need to encourage them to reject it. They got there all on their own. See ya Disney 👋🏼
According to KK's favorite Star Wars film, failure is the greatest teacher of all... yet they keep repeating the same mistakes. I wish Daisy and the crew the best in this venture, but I highly doubt we're getting something good out of this :(
@therotten6152 Valid stance, but I’m going to reserve judgement until the film comes out. Andor also got a lot of bad press prior to release due to the actors saying it would reflect modern politics and the K2SO kerfuffle. Yet that show turned out to be spectacular. So you never really know. I’m skeptical of this trilogy given Disney’s track record but if Thor and other SW fans I trust say it’s worth a watch then I’ll give it a fair shake. If not, I’ll just skip it.
When KK gives her non-answer about being a "Star Wars fan" I feel like she's desperately trying to avoid blurting out something about how she hates George Lucas for his success and wants to burn down Star Wars simply to destroy his legacy.
I think that she genuinely thought that she could automatically succeed in telling her stories by doing it via Star Wars And she might have, if her ideas were any good
You will never convince me that Kathleen Kennedy, this new director (I literally don't know her name and don't care), or the vast majority of people working at Lucasfilm actually like the original trilogy or prequel trilogy. I don't believe it for a second.
😆 When is he getting a shot at the Disney princesses? We need more testosterone in those movies! It's about time a man shape the world of Disney Princesses!
I feel like everything Kennedy does now is just under the intention of giving one last middle finger to us fans before she finally leaves. As of the time I’m typing this bad batch season three andor season two and the third Jedi game are the only things I’m looking forward to right now. I might sound like a broken record saying this again, but if this movie doesn’t bomb, I will be amazed. Finally, Thor you probably heard this many times but straight up. Some people are just gonna not return to Star Wars let alone take the new things seriously until Kennedy is gone they’re just tired of the slandering and insults…
This movie is like a bad April Fools joke from everything we've heard about it so far. It's like Kathleen Kennedy has scoured the Internet for everything fans have criticized her for and has decided to double down on that.
Given the fact they aren't going to be using any of the OG cast, its going to bomb for sure, even if they do put say Luke in as a force ghost, people will likely still give it the middle finger by not going to see it, we seen that happen back in the Summer, where people collectively gave Indi 5, the middle finger and never showed up, resulting in the film being a MAJOR bomb as apart of a string of failures that the Walt Disney company on the whole is suffering from, because they decided to get into politics and leaned heavily to one side and began hiring nut jobs or people who simply have no experience in making multi million dollar films, everything is falling apart, as Nelson Peltz has put it, their fly wheel is broken and Disney is meant to have multiable fly wheels and all of them are pretty much broken at this point, they wrecked Marvel, Lucasfilm, Pixar, Disney animation, Fox is going the same way, they plan to turn Hulu, AKA the profitable stearming service, into Disney plus by merging the two and having Disney plus be the primary service, when its not even generating a profit currently, so Disney is a company pretty much ready for collapse and if Peltz is prevented from getting on, this company will likely crash and burn within the next couple of years as they got NOTHING, Universal has beaten them at the box office, they got a major theme park coming and they plan to build one in the UK, what does Disney have in the works, a poorly planned retheming of what was considered the most popular theme park ride of all time, they cannot even get their lighting to work in a brand new piece of a park that just openned resently, so this company is rippe for collapse and hostile takeover!
Last night I watched the original Star Wars movie with my 9 year old daughter. She loved it. I asked her who her favorite character was and she responded Princess Leia. She also really liked farmboy Luke, R2 and C3P0. (Sorry Han and Chewie). We are going to watch Empire and maybe Jedi this weekend if we have time. It's fun seeing these movies though my daughter's eyes.
I saw a sentiment about why somebody doesn't really want her to be directing the movie being that she primarily directs documentaries and the only other non-documentary thing she directed was episodes of Miss Marvel that were terrible
Not to mention the accuracy of her "documentaries", considering her assessment of men and their "attitudes". Yes, there are certainly men out there who are a-holes, but also so many others of better character than what Chinoy is demonstrating hers to be. I can only imagine how unbiased and accurate her "documentaries" are.
@@BarefootPeasant In all honesty I am as filled with distaste for this lady and her pompous agenda as any fan, but perhaps it is worth remembering that she grew up in Pakistan, a country dominated by an oppressive patriarchal culture where women don't count for much. I'm kind of in sympathy with her personal crusade, whilst at the same time repulsed by her smugness and appalled by Disney's stubborn embrace of this agenda preaching.
@@Tal-gp7mx I get where you're coming from, but in fairness, I would expect someone close to 50, and living outside of her "oppressive patriarchal culture" for a good part of her life to have matured a bit more in her own attitudes and self-awareness. Or maybe she might have at least noticed the considerable differences between cultures? If what's coming out of her mouth is any indication, what she's got inside still needs work. I'd hope that the current attention she's receiving would be something of an education, but I'm not holding my breath.
@@Tal-gp7mx she's one of the privileged ones. Her mother was named in the Panama papers. She's an outlier, not the norm. Unlike Malala, her largest struggle would have been adjusting to a different climate.
@jamesarnold7253 I can't think of anyone I've met who would question how horrible these acts are. But, are you guilty of any of that stuff yourself? No? Neither am I. Nor are the huge majority of the men who occupy this planet. I have absolutely no expectation that you should answer for the heinous acts performed by any other person; only for those that you're guilty of yourself. Just as I have no intention of taking responsibility for the crimes of others, which I can't even imagine committing. Whatever gender we belong to is irrelevant.... if you, yourself, are willing to either accept or assign guilt, or shame, or "attitude" assumptions, based on mere gender affiliation, then you've got some issues that you need to sort out. Your indiscriminate finger-pointing is misplaced, not to mention far removed from anything reasonable. It's not up to you, or to me, or anyone, to "undo centuries" of past transgressions that obviously can't be undone. And holding anyone accountable who had absolutely no part in them ranges from intellectually dishonest to just plain malignant. It appears to me that you've read something into my original post that all of the other responders recognized was not my intent. Unless you wish to approach this from the standpoint I'd originally intended, I really don't see a need to engage any further.
We've come a long way from anonymous medieval writers and artists of whom only their masterpieces remain to these postmodern 'creators' who make everything revolve around themselves. When does she ever talk about story, aesthetics, characters, techniques...? It's all about her personality and the films seem to be her way of dealing with whatever issues she has with the world (of men?)
@@MobbJacket88 Nope, and that's why in her film the good girls will embody her values and bad guys will embody 'toxic masculinity' or whatever. Jeez even talking about her makes me go into these ridiculous divisions into male and female point of view, as if SW hasn't had its fair share of brilliant characters of both sexes
Part of the reason the writers were anonymous were if they were more public, they would be killed because they tended to make enemies out of someone. Agenda driven writing was always a thing. Procopious wrote two contradictory tales about who Justinian was. His official account was Justinian was the greatest ever while the other made him the Anti-Christ. Obviously he wanted to hedge his bets in case a coup happened.
I just want them to jump ahead 1000 years, fill a writers room with the most talent you can, and tell a new, fresh story. I don’t understand why it’s so hard for them to just hire people who actually want to work within this franchise just to tell good stories. How are people that don’t even like SW getting jobs directing and writing the projects? I’ll never get how Lucasfilm and Disney let this fall so far, dude. I just want to care again about the things I used to love. It’s so sad.
They get these jobs because they align themselves with KK and the rest of the senior management at Lucasfilm. When Kathleen says 'put a chick in it and make her gay and lame' they do what they're told. If you step out of line then you don't get to continue working there. I'd point to Favreau being edged out in favour of Filoni as a good example of this. Apparently Favreau blotted his copybook by daring to bring back Luke Skywalker in the second season of the Mandalorian.
@@LoneWolf-rc4go Its also the higher up management of Disney is apart of the problem, which is why they got to go, they are running the whole company into the ground, I fear by the time they are finally outsed, there will be nothing left, Disney only value will be the streaming platforms, parks and the boats, as they pretty much run everything else into the ground and nobody will be giving them money, despite the fact that its surpposely "Good!"
@@cahe6161 I expect they are likely thinking of simply walking away from Disney & Lucasfilm, I expect moral is at a all time low among the lower levels as things are failing left and right!
It's called nepotism and is rampant in practically all sectors and all levels of corporate America. Nearly everyone I know has a story about the jackass manager who got the position because a moderately better manager was friends with them prior to working at 'x'. All it takes is people to be buddy buddy with an executive to be given something they don't deserve.
Whenever i hear any artist talk about what they personally want to inject into the project they are in charge of, i rarely ever take concern. As artists, they get to explore themes that are close to them. The key issue at hand with the argument regarding adding anything political to Star Wars is not that someone wants to use it as a vehicle to get their point across, its more a matter of how well written and executed that point is. I always think of Jaws when it comes to this. Jaws is incredibly effective at introducing multiple themes that audiences can identify with without sacrificing all of the qualities that make it a brilliant movie. The island community, Amity, is a close minded xenophobic town where the permanent residents of the island are suspicious of outsiders unless they are summer tourists who are feeding into the local economy. The 3 main character's in the movie are all outsiders. Brody is the police chief who landed in the community months before the events of the movie occur. We see him being bullied by the Mayor and his entourage for not understanding the way the community operates. We overhear his wife on the beach asking when she gets to become an islander only to be informed never. If she's not born here, she's not an islander. A permanent outsider. Hooper is bullied by local fisherman because he knows what a tiger shark looks like. He is bullied by the Mayor because he is an educated man who has an understanding of the situation and knows there is still a shark out there. Quint appears to be a permanent resident of Amity who hates the locals as much as they hate him. Nonetheless, these 3 outsiders band together to fight an even bigger outsider threat for a town that could care less about any of them except for how they can be utilized to support the town. All of this is presented in a movie that has a primary goal of scaring you. These additional themes and character developments are not in place to overshadow the goal of the movie, but instead are subtly introduced to make audiences identify with, understand and care about the characters on screen. Spielberg has introduced themes of xenophobia into many of his movies without having those personal points derail his movie. If someone you know who has never seen Jaws asks you what its about, no one is ever going to say its about a xenophobic community, but those themes are there and they are important to how the story progresses and they are important to why we learn to love these characters. They are also themes that the artist who directed the movie holds close to his heart. For all of the recognition Jaws gets for being the grandaddy of blockbusters, i wish studios would look at it and realize one of the reasons it was a gigantic bottle of lightning was how well thought out it was.
Ultimately Star Wars as a movie made people fall in love with a fictional world and its characters. As a biproduct they fell in love with brand, that brand lives on today. And Now Star Wars as a brand. Is making people fall in love with the movies in a most shallow and empty way. It doesn’t matter what it is anymore. Just as long as it called Star Wars. -Mauler
It is important to look into the eyes of a Disney exec and say: “I am a customer. I am here.” and recognise that I am working to make you uncomfortable; and it *should* make you uncomfortable , because *you* need to change your attitude. And it’s only when you’re uncomfortable, when you’re shifty, when you have to have difficult conversations, that you will perhaps look at yourself in the mirror and not like the reflection, and then say: “Maybe, there is something wrong with the way I think”.
@@Soundwave1of9 Absolutely. We should all have it ready for when we get the chance to "look into the eyes of a Disney exec". It'll totally work to make them ashamed of their millions of dollars and elite lifestyle. For sure they'll be regretting and rethinking their lives...
i'm personally happy how vocal they are being right now, ever since the new sequal trilogy i'v seen fellow fans divied calling some of us crazy that there was agenda, now its very obviouse
I don't dislike the character of Rey because she's a woman. I dislike her because she's a junkyard scrounger who never saw a light saber before, but as soon as she picks one up she's instantly the most amazing Jedi ever, as well as a starship pilot and mechanic. She defeats Kylo after he trained with Luke for years. Her storyline DOESN'T MAKE SENSE!
4:54 that right there is the problem. The fact that it wasn't an immediate "Yes" shows that she has no interest in, or respect for, the material she's been handling. Saying a snide remark like your somehow above being a "fan" because you where in Film School when ANH came out means nothing. My Grandfather was a Ex-Vet working construction with two kids when Star Wars came out. He was a fan till the day he died and watching the childlike shine fade with each Sequel's releases killed me.
The comment about making men uncomfortable was something she said regarding a documentary she'd done about middle eastern women being the victims of acid attacks by sexist scumbags. She wasn't saying it about her Star Wars project, any more than Rian Johnson was saying he wanted half the audience to hate The Last Jedi when a decade-old clip of him talking about his first film got used to propagate the notion that he wanted to destroy the franchise. Context matters.
I skipped Solo as I was really burned by Last Jedi, and I regretted it as it's actually pretty good and didn't deserve to flop. That being said I'm really not keen on seeing this film. I fundamentally disagree with the concept behind this film - they've basically destroyed Luke to turn Rey into a female version of him. It's gross and his character did not deserve that.
I skipped every star wars movie after the force awakens. That movie was so bad it left a bitter taste in my mouth. After that i just pirated the movies
Same here. Following the terrible Rise of Skywalker and a bunch of mostly mediocre TV shows, what's the point? It will take a hell of a trailer and strong reviews to get me back in a theater.
100% agree, and I feel the same as your wife. As a woman with a life-long love of 'geek stuff', it's not only insulting to say I can't possibly like it unless its full of girls, but it also makes me feel like the existent female fandom is invisible to Hollywood. Or worse, that we're here but undernourished due to the lack of Female. 🙄 I don't relate to genders, I relate to people, something that seems an alien concept now. KK's answer is clear - she doesn’t love star wars, she loves it's bank-ability. As for making men uncomfortable, thats something I've never been interested in, nor do I seek to encourage it. As a decent person, I'm interested in making everyone feel included. Absolutely no one should be made to feel uncomfortable just because of their gender, to even suggest it is genuinely disturbing.
As an aspiring writer, A New Hope is THE the movie referenced when discussing how to tell the hero's journey story. It's how that story type is done. For Kennedy, an aspiring story teller at the time to dodge her understanding of the movie shows she is missing the point. She sees boys and girls, not universal themes of leaving home, battling against all odds, and returning home a better person. You know, the hero's journey. For me, that's the problem.
I never imagined a day I would have zero interest in a SW movie. Great job Disney! You managed to take someone who buys clothes, books, games, toys, replicas….spends a ton of money and finally broke me. Screw this lady. I hope and expect this movie to flop and I’ll be glad when it does. Won’t be getting my money
It is incredibly ironic that Disney's way to supposedly fight sexism by men in Star Wars movies and TV series is to be sexist against all men. Any optimism about the upcoming Rey movie is completely gone, this will be nothing more than a 'Women power' continuation of the sequels, but most likely ramped up ten notches. Of course they have their damage control specialists already practicing their typical lines about "They are critical about this movie because the critics are MEN WHO HATE WOMEN!" Wow, it is not looking good at all for SW on the big screen. Thanks, Thor and Naboo for covering this so well and sharing your thoughts on it, which match most of what all of us are feeling as well.
Well put, sir. I dig your points in this video. It's messed up to say she likes making all men uncomfortable. If men say the same stuff we're a-holes. I wish this silliness would right itself soon. I'm betting it won't though.. I'm losing hope right now
Reminds me of the Rían Johnson clip about wanting to make half the audience love his movie and half of his audience hate his movie. In her case it’s worse because I don’t see how someone could say something so controversial in public if they didn’t believe that to their core. Anything see makes will be an expression of her disdain for men. You could at least say Rían was younger and was more just intrigued by what he was saying than entirely committed to making divisive movies.
@@biotechdanc yeah.we have enough to celebrate from a fabulous tale that spanned from the time that I was 5 with my Dad at the movie theater back in 1977!
Their goal is burning it to the ground and reshaping it to their liking. They have to cull the old fanbase to do that as MOST people don't like seeing their favourite things destroyed.
@@Lucrei. There will be nothing left. Killing a brand/franchise is pure stupidity for me. I don't see an option for new fans getting on board. SW for decades had the power of old fans spreading their love to their family members and friends and that is gone
@@Lucrei. We are if we buy the tickets, merch etc. but if we don't... More and more don't but does not change things for those big fat arses. Maybe if the Rey movie hits The Marvels lows they will start using their brains
They lost me the first time when Rian Johnson took a machete to the established lore. Those bombers aren't Star Wars in nature due to the glaring design flaw that the First Order TIEs exploited, and weaponization of FTL is a deathknell for any ship-to-ship combat. They got me back with The Mandalorian. They lost me again when they bungled the handling of Grogu in Book of Boba Fett. Grogu should have stayed with Luke Skywalker; all the storytelling cues were pointing to that being Din and Grogu's final interaction. They haven't gotten me back again. All signs point towards me being one of those fans who will not follow them down their new direction.
@@saberiandream316what are you on? I don't know any fan who didn't complain about what OP is talking about, lots of people criticised Filonis direction, and also the Ahsoka show
@@alsmith9853 Well, I still remember how so many idiots insisted Filoni was going to restore the EU and undermine the sequels, back from 2019 to within the last year or so. That's completely false, Filoni's never been an EU guy, he just acts like he is. It's good he's getting more criticism, but he isn't getting enough, tbh. People are still not all the way there when it comes to holding him accountable, they'd rather blame George Lucas or Kennedy for his flaws.
@@saberiandream316 Filoni did it in a non-egregious way (as in, followed George's example and made it make sense in-universe). Johnson did it in an egregious way (made all warfare obsolete and overlooked design flaws that were blaringly obvious).
@@kennyholmes5196 George was both the creator and owner of Star Wars, so Filoni doesn't deserve that same privilege. Especially since George has admitted he never read the EU, while Filoni claims he does, over and over, and yet he butchers it entirely on a whim and insists he "doesn't" want to change it, he's a liar and a hypocrite. That he's still doing it even now should disabuse people of the notion that George was tying his hands, if you listen to the commentaries for the Clone Wars Microseries, George was very hands-off when it comes to lore. Filoni is not the same. Filoni is worse because he brings in an inherent deceit George never had.
Very well said, I'm a woman (and filmmaker, also!) and have been a fan of Star Wars ever since I was a kid. Lucas's own journey to getting SW made has inspired my own passions/aspirations. I've never felt alienated or not accepted from this fandom until KK swooped in. I'm so apathetic abut this franchise and have been for a while and that makes me sad.
Everything that Andor, Mandalorian and Bad Batch has added to the Star Wars universe and basically anything of quality that has come out the last few years has been undercut by the fact that it all leads to Rey standing over the ruins of the Death Star holding a dagger that somehow had a map etched to it that required her standing in that exact spot. No amount of worldbuilding can expunge that from my head sadly.
Considering this movie is two years out...my theory is they are trying to lay the groundwork for calling the fans misogynists when this movie bombs badly.
I think these directors need to avoid the social and political posturing that has been common place in Hollywood lately. Lucas’s first wife did a lot to shape the original trilogy. With her input with the dialog. All this grandstanding feminism and empowerment talk is getting old and is in instant turn off for the fan. We just want great movies. No matter if your male female black white gay or straight. Doesn’t matter, just make great content that everyone can enjoy.
The funny thing is the reason that I am is a Star Wars fan is because female Star Wars fans in my family introduced me to the franchise, I would have eventually discovered it but the reason it is so important to me is because it has been a part of my life for as long as I can remember
It's like they found the perfect mix of every attitude currently making Star Wars difficult to watch and enjoy and then gave her a movie to make. I'll wait till the trailers drop to really judge it but gotta say the attitude of the director doesn't give me a lot of confidence that this franchise is getting better or give any more focus to the quality of the story over the socio-political content they can put into it.
The tragic thing (okay, *one* of the tragic things) about this is that if they just made something good, if they brought us interesting, compelling, multi-faceted characters, if they told us a *good story*, no one (or almost no one) would care about any of this. Spin us a yarn, give us a reason to care about the people on screen, give them something nearly impossible to overcome and we’ll be there to cheer for them when they defy the odds and finally do. If you have a message you want to deliver, take a page from George’s book and imbed it in a tale as old as humanity and watch the world eat it up. But alas, that all seems to be a lost art.
Thor, I know she didn't say the line in the context of the upcoming SW movie but it speaks to her mindset as a director and we know how that turned out with RJ and his videos about how he wanted a divisive movie. Her recent comments about "it's time a woman led SW" to me indicates her mindset remains as it was back then.
I'm a woman and an author and I PREFER male characters. I don't know why but watching movies shows or even reading and especially writing I prefer male characters over most female ones. So I agree with you. The idea that people watch something and can't relate to it if it's different (like that they're implying women can't enjoy male characters) is ridiculous
When KK answered that question, I never actually heard a yes. She said it was a game changer and a big movie, but she never even hinted that she actually likes it.
Honestly, my feelings for Star Wars have done a complete 180. I started as a huge fan, then became totally indifferent, and now, I'm almost rooting for it to just implode. Each of their ridiculous decisions actually gives me a bit of a thrill, because I'm here for the spectacle of the whole thing crashing down. It's not about being spiteful, but more like hoping that a colossal flop might finally clear the decks of all these posers and activists and steer us back to what Star Wars truly used to be.
"It's not something to be used to make the viewer feel bad about themselves in order to make them change, it's something that was meant to inspire." Very well said, Thor. I feel like this is one of the main issues today. People - especially in the film-making industry - try to teach their values by hatefully criticizing and condemning those they don't agree with instead of trying to inspire by setting good and relatable examples.
The last person who said they wanted to make people feel uncomfortable was also the person who made cuties and...well. Regardless, relating to back then or not, the message usually is handled poorly.
Star Wars anything used to be auto-watch for me and my friends. Now - it's a default pass unless I've heard some glowing reviews first. Everything they make just sucks or goes to hell in short order.
Yeah....that non-answer from Kathleen Kennedy can roughly be translated as "I wasn't a Star Wars fan. I'm not a Star Wars fan. I never understood why it was popular despite many other people telling me exactly why they enjoyed it or what made it such a groundbreaking artistic endeavour"
I fully am on board for something to be for a certain group even when I am not a huge fan. I saw Dune a few years ago and thought it was fine I didn’t care to much but was glad it was made for the fans since that is what I want to see in my favorite franchises.
A few things: 1) People won't be shamed into watching this movie. People don't like to be told how they think. And if they think a certain way, a movie is not going to win them over. 2) Given Obaid-Chinoy's inexperience (in terms of Live-Action she only did two Episodes of _Ms.Marvel_ so far), I can already see how this is gonna go: Bad test screenings, massive reshoots and recuts, a ballooning budget. Unless Kennedy gives her complete creative control and has her back thorough the entire process no matter what, I don't think the finished product will feature much of the director's individual influence. Rather, this will probably feel and look like a Movie made by comittee.
This Star Wars film is going to bomb more than the Marvels. I now think to myself How does it feel to live long enough to see one of my favorite franchises go down in flames
Anyone who starts a sentence out with I enjoy making whomever uncomfortable loses my respect immediately. Rian Johnson did it and now this. If we truly want a level playing for both sexes, we must stop competing, comparing and tearing each other apart. We all have flaws, men and women are different and instead of celebrating those differences, people like this are more interested in watching the world burn, rather than progressing the human race.
At what point does sexism shift from women being oppressed to _men_ being oppressed? Cause I'm kind of concerned that we are starting to reach that threshold. Men shouldn't be shamed on or "made uncomfortable" just because of their gender. Its not right... Just because some men make stupid decisions doesn't mean all men are awful people. :( There are A LOT of men who are willing and supportive of women's rights. That's like saying all white people are racist... Its simply not true.
This is hardly the venue for it, but men are objectively more oppressed by society now than women are. The draft. Family and divorce court. Social security. The concept of you having reproductive rights is a joke but for women it's unassailably sacred. You ever heard one of these modern marxist-feminists call for more women in garbage picker or brick layer jobs even though those are heavily male dominated fields? Of course not, because it's all about giving women privileged and preferential treatment.
The narrative that men can't be oppressed because they are oppressors by virtue of being men is apparently powerful and will need time to be eroded away. The sooner the better, in my opinion.
What's worrying to me is that this shift is basically trying to say that we as a species are incapable of propping up one group without kicking another to the ground to stand on top of. I know it's not really like that, but it feels that way because the people working on these projects seem more interested in acting on spite than make something good and enjoyable.
5:22 Hearing her answer, along with what Spielberg has said about her, brings to mind a line from Neurosonic's song 'Too Many People'; "Who's ____ did you have to ____ to get the Number One song?"
Again Thor you so beautifully expressed what I feel are all the points within this subject. It's really hard to find anything more that needs saying as you covered it all so well. I think the worst element of this latest generation of femmanism is this whole notion that men are wrong and need fixing, that we are a problem, even THE problem, in society and these women have the solution. I believe that makes it pretty clear that they, and their movement, are the problem and it is they that are full of hate and desire to control and manipulate everyone else. I don't know if their goal is to actually convert men into queers, trans, or just serfs to serve their lesbian Amazonian fantasy world. It is only clear that we have no place in their world. This agenda isn't just being driven by her, KK, or even Iger, that whole company is nominated by these people as is almost all of the entertainment industry. The only answer I can see is a parallel one of basic, decent, and natural human sensibilities. It would be great if someone bought Star Wars back from them, but short of that it will take a regime change, followed by a massive purging of the woke, of Disney to save Star Wars. Now if only I could unsubscribe from Disney+ AGAIN.
She said that she likes to "make men uncomfortable" about men in Packistan who were participating in "honor killings" and throwing acid on women. She made a movie about that, it wasn't about "all men" it was about the men in Packistan. Can we maybe start including that context in these videos? Becauase it entirely changes what she said from being something that we should be concerned about to something we should honor her for.
Agenda before story, I’ll take “Why does Star Wars continue to lose $$$ for $1000 Alex” Just tell a good, fun story and it it works better with a female lead fine, but Lucasfilm/Disney has apparently learned nothing from their past few years of box office failures
I think we have ourselves in a highly polarized environment, and people on the fringe are going overboard. If you're someone who has an unpopular opinion, it's now popular to make it known and to be obnoxious about it. The vast majority doesn't subscribe to any of it, and any context or nuance that could explain it is left to the wayside.
As soon as the Mandoverse wraps up, I’m done with Disney Star Wars. I gave the Rey movie hope until the director made that comment about needing a woman in charge as if that’s not the past decade and as if that even matters. Even if Disney fires KK I’m convinced they’ll just replace her with someone worse.
I’m going to create a petition to designate the EU (Legends) continuity as the prime timeline of the Star Wars Universe, with its own numerical designation, like Earth 616 marvel, and the Star Wars Cinematic Universe (Disney Canon as they call it) as a separate, or alternate timeline. I’m also suspecting that Dave Filoni created The World Between World as a subtle way to explain the many alternate realities in the Star Wars galaxy. Either way, the Cinematic Timeline no longer has any interest of me. If I want to enjoy Star Wars I will read the vast library of novels, Dark Horse comics, and games we all enjoyed like Shadows, Dark Forces, Jedi Outcast, Kotor, Force Unleashed And Republic Commando.
I will admit Ive more of less jumped ship with starwars and made my way to Warhammer 40k. With Warhammer 40k i find all the things loved with starwars that are still in Warhammer and Disney hasnt ruined Warhammer. These days when I hear about a new starwars series or show. I turn the other way and get a new back if Warhammer miniatures
I've started creating my own IP, inspired by Lucas's wonderful universe, and I'll be dead before I ever sell it to some soulless corporation. Maybe someday you'll read and enjoy them.
As a woman, I'm offended by these remarks. I'm also ready to unsubscribe from Disney+, and walk away from Star Wars altogether. I might be willing to watch Andor if it is ever released, and possibly the Filoni movie. But aside from those, there is NOTHING about Star Wars I even care about anymore. It's basically become just another franchise. This makes me sad, as seeing Star Wars at a drive-in when I was 4 is one of my earliest memories, and I've loved Star Wars ever since. 😢
I think we as a fandom needs to seriously consider boycotting any future Star Wars movies. Like we probably still gonna check out what they make, but we sure as hell are not gonna give them any money for it
If your content cannot be reversed without being sexist in wine way, than don't say it. Imagine a male director saying he likes to make women uncomfortable
In 2024, it's only sexist in one direction, though. One way lands you interviews on CNN and wins you plaudits from Hollywood; the other way has CNN running stories about misogyny and sees you blackballed from Hollywood.
At this point it’s kinda like Weekend at Bernie’s . Disney/LF are using the Star Wars name dragging it along hoping to party off it hoping nobody notices it’s dead.
And. Woman don’t do bad things? I have a friend who is into the new feminist Star Wars. He kept repeating this quote from Obama that the entire world would probably be much better if only women were in charge. Someone, lefties like him seem to forget that Margaret Thatcher (who is hated by lefties to this day) ran the UK, that the govt of the late Benazir Bhutto (the leader of Pakistan) was dogged by the same allegations of corruption as male led ones, and Aung San Su-Kyii (Myanmar) hardly had a spotless human rights record when she was in charge. Such issues transcend gender and identity.
Thank you for bringing up that evil witch. Most today have no idea what that women did to many workers and their families here in UK with massive job losses and poll tax leading to riots in the streets along with mass suicide rates increase.
Its like taking the BARBIE franchise and say that women should feeel uncomfortable and insert the muscle-type guy with guns and shit because also men should like it.
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I'm just so burned out on all the franchises I've grown up with being run into the ground by people who actively despise everything
How do they despite everything?
good for us collectors tho - makes all the OG stuff even more valuable thanks to all this nonsense & good'ole Rian Johnson - there will never be any sequel merch to compete with - outside of some of the BB-8 stuff anyway cause I think we all can agree he was the real star of all of them.
@@michaelknox3715they do though.
Star Wars and Halo are the ones that got the most shafted and at around the same time too. Pain
All I care about now is LOTR and One Piece. Rings of Power blows, but it’s not like they’re going after every single fan favorite male legacy character and committing character assassination like what Disney and Kennedy are doing to Star Wars. Mando Season 3 and Ahsoka were it for me. Star Wars is finished. Sold a few of my vintage Star Wars autograph cards for over $1,500 this past week. The hype, lore, and excitement is gone.
Kathleen Kennedy answered the “were you always a Star Wars fan?” question exactly like non-fans would answer when they don’t want to hurt anyone’s feelings.
-Do you love star wars ?
-well... It was a movie... And it was popular
They bought the franchise to attract men, then the upper management said times have changed and you have to put women who will only run men down in charge. How did they not see the idiocy here?
What's craziest about that is that she's been there at Lucasfilm for DECADES and has been hiding in the grass biding time, having never been passionate about the material itself but the platform it provides her
As heretical as it sounds, I don't care if someone passes some kinda fandom litmus test, I just want them to have the right attitude, because God knows Dave Filoni is a huge fan, and he's always had a bad attitude that I don't like. And ofc, I'm not saying Kennedy has the right attitude either. But that's what I want. Someone to have the right attitude, and we don't get that from Disney-owned Lucasfilm.
She answered that like a politician, dodging the answer like Neo dodging bullets in The Matrix
Not uncomfortable, just not bothered anymore. Way to go Disney.
Yep. If the only reason for this is to make me feel uncomfortable, then I'll stay comfortably at home watching the real star wars movies, those made by Goerge Lucas who had a story to tell not a message to push.
Me too. I’m just apathetic. I don’t care. I’m enjoying my old Legends novels. Disney can’t take those away from me.
I don't get it: I *should* be uncomfortable because I'm a man, but the reason I'm bad is because I'm "threatened merely by a woman's existence"... I don't have a clue what these people are talking about -- like I just can't attach it to anything in reality anymore. And yeah, just totally apathetic at this point.
A recent survey found that six out of seven dwarves aren't Happy and one is Grumpy with the way Disney's been heading.
Rian Johnson already destroyed half the fanbase with his subversion of expectations and now they want to double down and make all of their male fans that are left feel uncomfortable? What kind of business model is this? It's like they actively want to kill the franchise.
Now is the time to stop consuming. Don't watch it, don't hate watch it, don't buy their products... Disney will only understand they need to change EVERYTHING about this when it stops bringing them money. A lot of people, however, will keep consuming, even when they don't like anything about it, and that's what gives them courage to keep pulling this crap.
They don’t need to change anything, they just need to STOP.
This is one of the multitude of reasons why I cancelled my D+ subscription. I'm voting with my feet. Went to a secondhand shop and got the old disney properties that I care about on DVD/BluRay. My money will go to specific media to show that I appreciate that specific thing. (already had the OT and Prequel SW on DVD)
No more money/countable views until they earn my support again.
It's pretty obvious that they don't want to have any legacy fans, the greatness is that we still have 30 years of content that can be loved and talked about. Buy third party EU Star Wars products and completely ignore this garbage.
Its already happening. Merch sakes are dead, the product is dead.
It has to be on purpose. Nobody can be this inept.
@therotten6152 I'm not sure that has a positive affect for the studios. A few youtubers making content off bad productions isn't going to i crease their buttons in seats, its the opposite. What we have are hundreds of fiscal and exerts trashing bad films. While this might spike social media attentions. It doesn't result in views. The last few years have proven this.
The most psychotic thing about this whole debacle is that if a male director said the exact same thing about making women uncomfortable he would be cancelled faster than you can say "Harvey Weinstein" I'm sick of the blatant double standards.
Totally agree
To the psycho left it's perfectly fine to discriminate on the basis of race, sex, and sexual orientation as long as it's the 'right' ones being discriminated against. Meaning: white, male, hetero.
But you understand why, right? It is a double standards, but double standards are apart of life and most of them actually help us men.
@@stizanley3987 It’s not a part of life. Anyone who I became friends with and had double standards are not my friends anymore. It’s weak minded to think it’s ok
@@stizanley3987 What double standards benefit men?
Somewhere along the line people just forgot that if you tell great stories it doesn't matter who tells them. They'll be loved by everyone
Has everyone just forgotten about the great female characters like Ripley and Sara Connor and how well they were written ? Nowadays they're just all the same. They're just men with a birth canal. That's not fun to watch. That's just lazy.
I'm in this camp. I grew up with SW and was a die hard. Now I'm done with it. Didn't watch TROS in theaters. Didn't finish Mando S3. Just done with the franchise for the most part. I won't be seeing this new Rey movie either barring a shocking turn of events in which the reviews from people I trust come back raving! So many of my beloved franchises are just ruined at this point. I'm not "uncomfortable," as this lady would like me to be... I have never seen anything she's ever done and probably never will because she's one of those people who love to pat themselves on the back and preach to people who agree with her.... I'm just sad that people who hate me, hate my beliefs, hate my way of life, and hate my favorite characters and franchises, have hijacked those characters and franchises and destroyed them. Obviously no one at Disney has learned a single thing in the last 5 or so years. They are completely sold out on their agenda and are determined to preach it even if no one shows up.
She says "She likes to make men uncomfortable", and that's fine.
And for me personally, "I like to avoid spending money". So I think we should get along fine.
Truer words have never been spoken.
And I will avoid KK's hypocresy for she have done to her actresses and Gina Carano.
Isn’t that related to Pakistan killings?
@@daryltor7608 what are you talking about ? 🤣
@@Nio744 acid attacks and honor killings in Pakistan. The quote everyone is crying about is from 8 years ago yet I haven’t seen anyone tying it to the context in which why it’s actually said.
So Disney acquired Star Wars to collect a huge audience that it actually doesn't want to make shows for. This is insanity.
well said
It does want to make PROGRAMS for us - just not ones that we want. It has an agenda.
@@constantobjects Yup. We know.
and EVEN MORE that had never been considered, much less included.. the OG Trilogy has TWO women.. Leia and Mon Mothma( who had a scene) with speaking roles... we joked about this prior to the prequels.
George gave us One black character
Star Wars is a franchise that speaks to EVERY demographic.. white makes can sit this one out if they have such an issue.. this OG fan is happy to see the Mouse bring it to a wider audience, even if it loses the toxic fans
@@SpinDoc420 you won’t get anything for shilling for Disney lol
Jeezus I'd never seen that clip of Kennedy being asked if she was a fan. That's a lot of words to say "no." Star Wars will continue to fail and hemorragh money as long as Kennedy is there. The fans loathe her and there is a permanent life-long boycott for literally billions of people.
Sadly she isnt the only problem. Her leaving won't fix anything
Its like they never learn their lesson. They care more about their agenda than just making good movies/shows and making money. 2023 was one of the worst financial years in Disney's history and stuff like this wont help..I will never understand how alienating half of your customers is good for buisness
If you know where the bodies are buried, you can keep getting away with anything.
Michael Jordan said it best 30 years ago "Even Republicans buy sneakers."
If you push stuff, ideological or whatever you want to call it, you alienate people.
You get what you sow.
More than half. Males are the majority of customers. And it also turns off females who liked it in the first place.
they don’t care about losing money anymore.
Right
Genuinely sad about this. What this woman said was the exact opposite of what Star Wars needs right now.
Star Wars doesn’t need anything. It’s a dead franchise. It isn’t coming back. Search your feelings and you will know it’s true.
Truly mind boggling how incompetent Disney executives leadership is. "Rise of Skywalker had nearly a 50% decline in ticket sales from The Force Awakens, let's keep doing what we're doing, it's clearly working!"
@@jasonreynolds6643 are you turning me to the dark side? Haha 😂
@@jasonreynolds6643 cause it's working
Context: When she talked about ‘making men uncomfortable’ she was talking about a documentary she was making about honour killings. She wasn’t talking about Star Wars. So it’s likely she was only referring to men involved with honour violence. Anyone involved with something so heinous should be made uncomfortable, regardless of gender.
This doesn’t mean that her movie will be good or that it won’t be woke. But it’s unfair to take something out of context and label her anti-men because of it.
If anything, I'm more annoyed by that toad than feeling "uncomfortable" as she wishes I were.
Same here.
As relatable as Rachel Zegler.
As profitable as Chloe Zhao.
Go Disney!
Who are those people
@@oldtownscouts3712filmmakers/directors
@@oldtownscouts3712 I think that's the point? Maybe not.
And Almost As Detestable as Amber Heard.
Chloe Zhao is actually profitable when she is making low budget movies not made by committee. Also Eternals still turned a profit but as big as anticipated due to a global virus and getting banned in China because Zhao has principles.
But how can she make men uncomfortable when they aren't going to watch her movie?
It's just gobbledygook to market the film to misandrists. Gross stuff
Hey Thor, for me this is a lot worse than anything before.
It's one thing to make creative decisions that people did not like and get backlash. It happens, and you can learn from it.
It's another thing to choose staff that are specifically inflammatory towards the people frustrated by the creative decisions you made.
Disney had every opportunity to make a Rey movie that could make people reconsider their opinion about the character. *I* was looking forward to it because I liked the character more than most. Now they have alienated everyone who might have given it a chance.
I saw Star Wars at 5 years old in '78, and I never thought my love for it would waiver. But Disney has totally injected a large dose of "MEH' inside of me. I really don't care much at this point what Disney Wars does next!
If you havent already, watch andor. That and rogue one are disneys saving grace for star wars
I was 6 when I saw Star Wars (not a new hope, Star Wars) in the theater. I'm with you. They tickled my Gen X whatever bone. I just don't care anymore. Look, I get that in my 40s/50s and beyond that I'm not the target audience. But I should still be able to go in and have a good time watching a fun movie. But instead they told me to fuck off (Forget the past, kill it if you have to). Ok, FU, I'm fucking off. Oh, and my 12 year old son and his friends? Zero interest in Star Wars. They didn't even appeal to their stated target audience.
@@Lynximussee but by doing that, ur not supporting andor, ur supporting all of the bullshit they’ve been doing, one half decent show is not good enough to justify everything else
@@ethanhong5466 "half decent" my guy Andor rivals the OT, hell IMO Andor is BETTER than the OT. Calling it half decent is an insult
No, no, no, no. It's dull, it’s artificial, and it never brought anything new to the table. It sucked, it means nothing because Rogue One already sealed Andor’s fate.
I don't think I can call myself a fan anymore.
Watching new stuff makes me feel nothing.
That's just because the new stuff is mostly dross.
At least Andor Season 2 will be good.
@ALeaud its been delayed, i cant be fucked being excited for a show over a year away from release that we already know how the story will go for it.
@@ALeaud Yes, if they stick to what made Season 1 good chances are that the follow-up too will repeat that. And people still won’t watch. Why? One good show is no longer enough to fix modern Disney’s and LucasFilm’s self-damaged reputation.
The only show that actually made me feel anything (besides anger) was Andor. That one was actually good.
Mando Season 1 and 2 in parts was also not bad, but season 3 already did the same other shows did: it made me angry how bad you can fuck up by not understanding the lore or the universe (or both). These days I am just not interested anymore. Just with a few interviews I get into the "okay, will be bad, won't watch" decision.
At this point i think every Starwars Fan could make a better Starwars movie than Disney
Not looking forward to ANY upcoming Star Wars project is such a freeing feeling. I feel like the curse that Star Wars has held over me is finally broken and I can move onto other, more artistic entertainment.
Same. I used to be a “midnight release fan”. Now I don’t care. My kids didn’t even ask for anything SW for Christmas.
They’ve lost the fans.
I did it a while ago and it is liberating. Ignoring Rings of Power like it didn't exist taught me how to deal with the disappointment of IP destruction and reject it as non-cannon.
@@rawnchydeard4669 My kids rejected Starwars at the Obi Won series. They watched a couple of episodes and hated it. I didn't even need to encourage them to reject it. They got there all on their own. See ya Disney 👋🏼
@@cameronjones8641 it’s so hard to believe they took a money printing machine and just annihilated it. Like they bought it to ruin it or something.
This!!!
According to KK's favorite Star Wars film, failure is the greatest teacher of all... yet they keep repeating the same mistakes. I wish Daisy and the crew the best in this venture, but I highly doubt we're getting something good out of this :(
@therotten6152 Valid stance, but I’m going to reserve judgement until the film comes out. Andor also got a lot of bad press prior to release due to the actors saying it would reflect modern politics and the K2SO kerfuffle. Yet that show turned out to be spectacular. So you never really know. I’m skeptical of this trilogy given Disney’s track record but if Thor and other SW fans I trust say it’s worth a watch then I’ll give it a fair shake. If not, I’ll just skip it.
When KK gives her non-answer about being a "Star Wars fan" I feel like she's desperately trying to avoid blurting out something about how she hates George Lucas for his success and wants to burn down Star Wars simply to destroy his legacy.
I think that she genuinely thought that she could automatically succeed in telling her stories by doing it via Star Wars
And she might have, if her ideas were any good
Disney: "Let Star Wars die, kill it if you have to."
They are doing just that.
I mean it's dead.
You will never convince me that Kathleen Kennedy, this new director (I literally don't know her name and don't care), or the vast majority of people working at Lucasfilm actually like the original trilogy or prequel trilogy. I don't believe it for a second.
It would be a lot like getting Andrew Tate to direct the remake of Steel Magnolias.
😆 When is he getting a shot at the Disney princesses?
We need more testosterone in those movies! It's about time a man shape the world of Disney Princesses!
That'd be funny, I'd love to see that😂
I feel like everything Kennedy does now is just under the intention of giving one last middle finger to us fans before she finally leaves. As of the time I’m typing this bad batch season three andor season two and the third Jedi game are the only things I’m looking forward to right now. I might sound like a broken record saying this again, but if this movie doesn’t bomb, I will be amazed. Finally, Thor you probably heard this many times but straight up. Some people are just gonna not return to Star Wars let alone take the new things seriously until Kennedy is gone they’re just tired of the slandering and insults…
This movie is like a bad April Fools joke from everything we've heard about it so far. It's like Kathleen Kennedy has scoured the Internet for everything fans have criticized her for and has decided to double down on that.
I doubt I'll ever go back. The Mandalorian was SW's last chance for me. And they totally ruined it.
Given the fact they aren't going to be using any of the OG cast, its going to bomb for sure, even if they do put say Luke in as a force ghost, people will likely still give it the middle finger by not going to see it, we seen that happen back in the Summer, where people collectively gave Indi 5, the middle finger and never showed up, resulting in the film being a MAJOR bomb as apart of a string of failures that the Walt Disney company on the whole is suffering from, because they decided to get into politics and leaned heavily to one side and began hiring nut jobs or people who simply have no experience in making multi million dollar films, everything is falling apart, as Nelson Peltz has put it, their fly wheel is broken and Disney is meant to have multiable fly wheels and all of them are pretty much broken at this point, they wrecked Marvel, Lucasfilm, Pixar, Disney animation, Fox is going the same way, they plan to turn Hulu, AKA the profitable stearming service, into Disney plus by merging the two and having Disney plus be the primary service, when its not even generating a profit currently, so Disney is a company pretty much ready for collapse and if Peltz is prevented from getting on, this company will likely crash and burn within the next couple of years as they got NOTHING, Universal has beaten them at the box office, they got a major theme park coming and they plan to build one in the UK, what does Disney have in the works, a poorly planned retheming of what was considered the most popular theme park ride of all time, they cannot even get their lighting to work in a brand new piece of a park that just openned resently, so this company is rippe for collapse and hostile takeover!
It probably won't bomb... but it won't rock the box office records, either.
Last night I watched the original Star Wars movie with my 9 year old daughter. She loved it. I asked her who her favorite character was and she responded Princess Leia. She also really liked farmboy Luke, R2 and C3P0. (Sorry Han and Chewie). We are going to watch Empire and maybe Jedi this weekend if we have time. It's fun seeing these movies though my daughter's eyes.
That's so awesome, I can't wait to show them to mine when she's a little older
I saw a sentiment about why somebody doesn't really want her to be directing the movie being that she primarily directs documentaries and the only other non-documentary thing she directed was episodes of Miss Marvel that were terrible
Not to mention the accuracy of her "documentaries", considering her assessment of men and their "attitudes". Yes, there are certainly men out there who are a-holes, but also so many others of better character than what Chinoy is demonstrating hers to be. I can only imagine how unbiased and accurate her "documentaries" are.
@@BarefootPeasant In all honesty I am as filled with distaste for this lady and her pompous agenda as any fan, but perhaps it is worth remembering that she grew up in Pakistan, a country dominated by an oppressive patriarchal culture where women don't count for much. I'm kind of in sympathy with her personal crusade, whilst at the same time repulsed by her smugness and appalled by Disney's stubborn embrace of this agenda preaching.
@@Tal-gp7mx I get where you're coming from, but in fairness, I would expect someone close to 50, and living outside of her "oppressive patriarchal culture" for a good part of her life to have matured a bit more in her own attitudes and self-awareness. Or maybe she might have at least noticed the considerable differences between cultures? If what's coming out of her mouth is any indication, what she's got inside still needs work. I'd hope that the current attention she's receiving would be something of an education, but I'm not holding my breath.
@@Tal-gp7mx she's one of the privileged ones. Her mother was named in the Panama papers. She's an outlier, not the norm. Unlike Malala, her largest struggle would have been adjusting to a different climate.
@jamesarnold7253 I can't think of anyone I've met who would question how horrible these acts are. But, are you guilty of any of that stuff yourself? No? Neither am I. Nor are the huge majority of the men who occupy this planet. I have absolutely no expectation that you should answer for the heinous acts performed by any other person; only for those that you're guilty of yourself. Just as I have no intention of taking responsibility for the crimes of others, which I can't even imagine committing. Whatever gender we belong to is irrelevant.... if you, yourself, are willing to either accept or assign guilt, or shame, or "attitude" assumptions, based on mere gender affiliation, then you've got some issues that you need to sort out. Your indiscriminate finger-pointing is misplaced, not to mention far removed from anything reasonable. It's not up to you, or to me, or anyone, to "undo centuries" of past transgressions that obviously can't be undone. And holding anyone accountable who had absolutely no part in them ranges from intellectually dishonest to just plain malignant. It appears to me that you've read something into my original post that all of the other responders recognized was not my intent. Unless you wish to approach this from the standpoint I'd originally intended, I really don't see a need to engage any further.
Female Ryan Johnson isn’t real she can’t hurt you.
Female Ryan Johnson:
One thing Disney has been successful at is making me NOT want new Star Wars things. It’s sad.
We've come a long way from anonymous medieval writers and artists of whom only their masterpieces remain to these postmodern 'creators' who make everything revolve around themselves. When does she ever talk about story, aesthetics, characters, techniques...? It's all about her personality and the films seem to be her way of dealing with whatever issues she has with the world (of men?)
And she's not going to stop. She standing in a room full of people cheering her on.
@@MobbJacket88 Nope, and that's why in her film the good girls will embody her values and bad guys will embody 'toxic masculinity' or whatever. Jeez even talking about her makes me go into these ridiculous divisions into male and female point of view, as if SW hasn't had its fair share of brilliant characters of both sexes
Part of the reason the writers were anonymous were if they were more public, they would be killed because they tended to make enemies out of someone. Agenda driven writing was always a thing. Procopious wrote two contradictory tales about who Justinian was. His official account was Justinian was the greatest ever while the other made him the Anti-Christ. Obviously he wanted to hedge his bets in case a coup happened.
I just want them to jump ahead 1000 years, fill a writers room with the most talent you can, and tell a new, fresh story.
I don’t understand why it’s so hard for them to just hire people who actually want to work within this franchise just to tell good stories. How are people that don’t even like SW getting jobs directing and writing the projects? I’ll never get how Lucasfilm and Disney let this fall so far, dude. I just want to care again about the things I used to love. It’s so sad.
They get these jobs because they align themselves with KK and the rest of the senior management at Lucasfilm. When Kathleen says 'put a chick in it and make her gay and lame' they do what they're told. If you step out of line then you don't get to continue working there. I'd point to Favreau being edged out in favour of Filoni as a good example of this. Apparently Favreau blotted his copybook by daring to bring back Luke Skywalker in the second season of the Mandalorian.
@@LoneWolf-rc4go Its also the higher up management of Disney is apart of the problem, which is why they got to go, they are running the whole company into the ground, I fear by the time they are finally outsed, there will be nothing left, Disney only value will be the streaming platforms, parks and the boats, as they pretty much run everything else into the ground and nobody will be giving them money, despite the fact that its surpposely "Good!"
The only few good writers Star Wars has right now are working in the smallest, most insignificant projects
@@cahe6161 I expect they are likely thinking of simply walking away from Disney & Lucasfilm, I expect moral is at a all time low among the lower levels as things are failing left and right!
It's called nepotism and is rampant in practically all sectors and all levels of corporate America.
Nearly everyone I know has a story about the jackass manager who got the position because a moderately better manager was friends with them prior to working at 'x'. All it takes is people to be buddy buddy with an executive to be given something they don't deserve.
This should go over just as well as RJ’s desire to have half the audience hate his film. #goals
The strangest part about that was he wanted people to hate it, then he got mad when exactly that happened.😂
@@JasonJJS right? 😂👍🏻🤦🏻♂️
Whenever i hear any artist talk about what they personally want to inject into the project they are in charge of, i rarely ever take concern. As artists, they get to explore themes that are close to them. The key issue at hand with the argument regarding adding anything political to Star Wars is not that someone wants to use it as a vehicle to get their point across, its more a matter of how well written and executed that point is. I always think of Jaws when it comes to this. Jaws is incredibly effective at introducing multiple themes that audiences can identify with without sacrificing all of the qualities that make it a brilliant movie. The island community, Amity, is a close minded xenophobic town where the permanent residents of the island are suspicious of outsiders unless they are summer tourists who are feeding into the local economy. The 3 main character's in the movie are all outsiders. Brody is the police chief who landed in the community months before the events of the movie occur. We see him being bullied by the Mayor and his entourage for not understanding the way the community operates. We overhear his wife on the beach asking when she gets to become an islander only to be informed never. If she's not born here, she's not an islander. A permanent outsider. Hooper is bullied by local fisherman because he knows what a tiger shark looks like. He is bullied by the Mayor because he is an educated man who has an understanding of the situation and knows there is still a shark out there. Quint appears to be a permanent resident of Amity who hates the locals as much as they hate him. Nonetheless, these 3 outsiders band together to fight an even bigger outsider threat for a town that could care less about any of them except for how they can be utilized to support the town. All of this is presented in a movie that has a primary goal of scaring you. These additional themes and character developments are not in place to overshadow the goal of the movie, but instead are subtly introduced to make audiences identify with, understand and care about the characters on screen. Spielberg has introduced themes of xenophobia into many of his movies without having those personal points derail his movie. If someone you know who has never seen Jaws asks you what its about, no one is ever going to say its about a xenophobic community, but those themes are there and they are important to how the story progresses and they are important to why we learn to love these characters. They are also themes that the artist who directed the movie holds close to his heart. For all of the recognition Jaws gets for being the grandaddy of blockbusters, i wish studios would look at it and realize one of the reasons it was a gigantic bottle of lightning was how well thought out it was.
Ultimately Star Wars as a movie made people fall in love with a fictional world and its characters. As a biproduct they fell in love with brand, that brand lives on today. And Now Star Wars as a brand. Is making people fall in love with the movies in a most shallow and empty way. It doesn’t matter what it is anymore. Just as long as it called Star Wars.
-Mauler
It is important to look into the eyes of a Disney exec and say: “I am a customer. I am here.” and recognise that I am working to make you uncomfortable; and it *should* make you uncomfortable , because *you* need to change your attitude. And it’s only when you’re uncomfortable, when you’re shifty, when you have to have difficult conversations, that you will perhaps look at yourself in the mirror and not like the reflection, and then say: “Maybe, there is something wrong with the way I think”.
Ingenious pastiche, but dream on.
Well done!
This comment needs pinning at the top of every video on this topic! Well done sir! 🙌
@@Soundwave1of9 Absolutely. We should all have it ready for when we get the chance to "look into the eyes of a Disney exec". It'll totally work to make them ashamed of their millions of dollars and elite lifestyle. For sure they'll be regretting and rethinking their lives...
Oh well, Thor, once you've started with the shadow-banning, you might as well go on, huh? Feck you.
i'm personally happy how vocal they are being right now, ever since the new sequal trilogy i'v seen fellow fans divied calling some of us crazy that there was agenda, now its very obviouse
I don't dislike the character of Rey because she's a woman. I dislike her because she's a junkyard scrounger who never saw a light saber before, but as soon as she picks one up she's instantly the most amazing Jedi ever, as well as a starship pilot and mechanic. She defeats Kylo after he trained with Luke for years. Her storyline DOESN'T MAKE SENSE!
4:54 that right there is the problem.
The fact that it wasn't an immediate "Yes" shows that she has no interest in, or respect for, the material she's been handling.
Saying a snide remark like your somehow above being a "fan" because you where in Film School when ANH came out means nothing.
My Grandfather was a Ex-Vet working construction with two kids when Star Wars came out.
He was a fan till the day he died and watching the childlike shine fade with each Sequel's releases killed me.
The comment about making men uncomfortable was something she said regarding a documentary she'd done about middle eastern women being the victims of acid attacks by sexist scumbags. She wasn't saying it about her Star Wars project, any more than Rian Johnson was saying he wanted half the audience to hate The Last Jedi when a decade-old clip of him talking about his first film got used to propagate the notion that he wanted to destroy the franchise. Context matters.
I just feel bad for Daisy. People only associate her with star wars and that it, and going forward, it looks like that all she will ever be known for.
The Rey movie will probably the first SW movie I will skip in cinemas. Great job, KK!
I skipped Solo as I was really burned by Last Jedi, and I regretted it as it's actually pretty good and didn't deserve to flop.
That being said I'm really not keen on seeing this film. I fundamentally disagree with the concept behind this film - they've basically destroyed Luke to turn Rey into a female version of him. It's gross and his character did not deserve that.
I skipped every star wars movie after the force awakens. That movie was so bad it left a bitter taste in my mouth. After that i just pirated the movies
Same here. Following the terrible Rise of Skywalker and a bunch of mostly mediocre TV shows, what's the point? It will take a hell of a trailer and strong reviews to get me back in a theater.
And it’s breaking our hearts..😭
I read this in Padme's voice. That's how much of a Star Wars fan I am lol
100% agree, and I feel the same as your wife. As a woman with a life-long love of 'geek stuff', it's not only insulting to say I can't possibly like it unless its full of girls, but it also makes me feel like the existent female fandom is invisible to Hollywood. Or worse, that we're here but undernourished due to the lack of Female. 🙄 I don't relate to genders, I relate to people, something that seems an alien concept now.
KK's answer is clear - she doesn’t love star wars, she loves it's bank-ability. As for making men uncomfortable, thats something I've never been interested in, nor do I seek to encourage it. As a decent person, I'm interested in making everyone feel included. Absolutely no one should be made to feel uncomfortable just because of their gender, to even suggest it is genuinely disturbing.
As an aspiring writer, A New Hope is THE the movie referenced when discussing how to tell the hero's journey story. It's how that story type is done. For Kennedy, an aspiring story teller at the time to dodge her understanding of the movie shows she is missing the point. She sees boys and girls, not universal themes of leaving home, battling against all odds, and returning home a better person. You know, the hero's journey. For me, that's the problem.
I never imagined a day I would have zero interest in a SW movie. Great job Disney! You managed to take someone who buys clothes, books, games, toys, replicas….spends a ton of money and finally broke me. Screw this lady. I hope and expect this movie to flop and I’ll be glad when it does. Won’t be getting my money
It is incredibly ironic that Disney's way to supposedly fight sexism by men in Star Wars movies and TV series is to be sexist against all men. Any optimism about the upcoming Rey movie is completely gone, this will be nothing more than a 'Women power' continuation of the sequels, but most likely ramped up ten notches. Of course they have their damage control specialists already practicing their typical lines about "They are critical about this movie because the critics are MEN WHO HATE WOMEN!" Wow, it is not looking good at all for SW on the big screen. Thanks, Thor and Naboo for covering this so well and sharing your thoughts on it, which match most of what all of us are feeling as well.
Well put, sir. I dig your points in this video. It's messed up to say she likes making all men uncomfortable. If men say the same stuff we're a-holes. I wish this silliness would right itself soon. I'm betting it won't though.. I'm losing hope right now
We should right it, I don't know if it can right itself
Reminds me of the Rían Johnson clip about wanting to make half the audience love his movie and half of his audience hate his movie. In her case it’s worse because I don’t see how someone could say something so controversial in public if they didn’t believe that to their core. Anything see makes will be an expression of her disdain for men. You could at least say Rían was younger and was more just intrigued by what he was saying than entirely committed to making divisive movies.
There are SIX Star Wars movies and some shows.I'll continue to enjoy those.
Rogue One was pretty good as was Andor, I gave up on the rest of the recent stuff.
@@biotechdanc yeah.we have enough to celebrate from a fabulous tale that spanned from the time that I was 5 with my Dad at the movie theater back in 1977!
People at Disney and Lucasfilm always know how to make things worse - stupidity has no limits for them
Considering it's all on purpose.. this is malice disguised as incompetence at best.
Their goal is burning it to the ground and reshaping it to their liking.
They have to cull the old fanbase to do that as MOST people don't like seeing their favourite things destroyed.
@@Lucrei. There will be nothing left. Killing a brand/franchise is pure stupidity for me. I don't see an option for new fans getting on board. SW for decades had the power of old fans spreading their love to their family members and friends and that is gone
@@wbfwbl8434 it's pure stupidity for me too, but unfortunately we're not the ones funding the projects
@@Lucrei. We are if we buy the tickets, merch etc. but if we don't... More and more don't but does not change things for those big fat arses. Maybe if the Rey movie hits The Marvels lows they will start using their brains
They lost me the first time when Rian Johnson took a machete to the established lore. Those bombers aren't Star Wars in nature due to the glaring design flaw that the First Order TIEs exploited, and weaponization of FTL is a deathknell for any ship-to-ship combat.
They got me back with The Mandalorian.
They lost me again when they bungled the handling of Grogu in Book of Boba Fett. Grogu should have stayed with Luke Skywalker; all the storytelling cues were pointing to that being Din and Grogu's final interaction.
They haven't gotten me back again. All signs point towards me being one of those fans who will not follow them down their new direction.
Filoni does that and gets cheers. Rian Johnson does it and he's the devil somehow. This fandom, man. SMH
@@saberiandream316what are you on? I don't know any fan who didn't complain about what OP is talking about, lots of people criticised Filonis direction, and also the Ahsoka show
@@alsmith9853 Well, I still remember how so many idiots insisted Filoni was going to restore the EU and undermine the sequels, back from 2019 to within the last year or so. That's completely false, Filoni's never been an EU guy, he just acts like he is. It's good he's getting more criticism, but he isn't getting enough, tbh. People are still not all the way there when it comes to holding him accountable, they'd rather blame George Lucas or Kennedy for his flaws.
@@saberiandream316 Filoni did it in a non-egregious way (as in, followed George's example and made it make sense in-universe). Johnson did it in an egregious way (made all warfare obsolete and overlooked design flaws that were blaringly obvious).
@@kennyholmes5196 George was both the creator and owner of Star Wars, so Filoni doesn't deserve that same privilege. Especially since George has admitted he never read the EU, while Filoni claims he does, over and over, and yet he butchers it entirely on a whim and insists he "doesn't" want to change it, he's a liar and a hypocrite. That he's still doing it even now should disabuse people of the notion that George was tying his hands, if you listen to the commentaries for the Clone Wars Microseries, George was very hands-off when it comes to lore. Filoni is not the same. Filoni is worse because he brings in an inherent deceit George never had.
It is no longer shocking how exclusionary and hateful these people sound.
Very well said, I'm a woman (and filmmaker, also!) and have been a fan of Star Wars ever since I was a kid. Lucas's own journey to getting SW made has inspired my own passions/aspirations. I've never felt alienated or not accepted from this fandom until KK swooped in. I'm so apathetic abut this franchise and have been for a while and that makes me sad.
Didn’t George Lucas’s ex wife also have a hand in helping to mold Star Wars into what it is now?
Yep
She saved a New Hope in the editing room...
The definition of insanity is repeating the same thing over and over again expecting a different result.
Everything that Andor, Mandalorian and Bad Batch has added to the Star Wars universe and basically anything of quality that has come out the last few years has been undercut by the fact that it all leads to Rey standing over the ruins of the Death Star holding a dagger that somehow had a map etched to it that required her standing in that exact spot.
No amount of worldbuilding can expunge that from my head sadly.
Considering this movie is two years out...my theory is they are trying to lay the groundwork for calling the fans misogynists when this movie bombs badly.
I think these directors need to avoid the social and political posturing that has been common place in Hollywood lately. Lucas’s first wife did a lot to shape the original trilogy. With her input with the dialog. All this grandstanding feminism and empowerment talk is getting old and is in instant turn off for the fan. We just want great movies. No matter if your male female black white gay or straight. Doesn’t matter, just make great content that everyone can enjoy.
The funny thing is the reason that I am is a Star Wars fan is because female Star Wars fans in my family introduced me to the franchise, I would have eventually discovered it but the reason it is so important to me is because it has been a part of my life for as long as I can remember
It's like they found the perfect mix of every attitude currently making Star Wars difficult to watch and enjoy and then gave her a movie to make. I'll wait till the trailers drop to really judge it but gotta say the attitude of the director doesn't give me a lot of confidence that this franchise is getting better or give any more focus to the quality of the story over the socio-political content they can put into it.
The tragic thing (okay, *one* of the tragic things) about this is that if they just made something good, if they brought us interesting, compelling, multi-faceted characters, if they told us a *good story*, no one (or almost no one) would care about any of this. Spin us a yarn, give us a reason to care about the people on screen, give them something nearly impossible to overcome and we’ll be there to cheer for them when they defy the odds and finally do. If you have a message you want to deliver, take a page from George’s book and imbed it in a tale as old as humanity and watch the world eat it up. But alas, that all seems to be a lost art.
I recommend Andor as a welcome exception to the rule.
I'm not even mad anymore, now I'm just laughing at how dumb Disney is for thinking that a Rey movie will get them the money they want so badly😂
I think that this time the people is going to vote with their wallets and that is going to reflect in the numbers in the box office and global
Thor, I know she didn't say the line in the context of the upcoming SW movie but it speaks to her mindset as a director and we know how that turned out with RJ and his videos about how he wanted a divisive movie. Her recent comments about "it's time a woman led SW" to me indicates her mindset remains as it was back then.
Makes we wonder if she ever even watched a Star Wars movie, because she's ignoring Princess Leia.
I'm a woman and an author and I PREFER male characters. I don't know why but watching movies shows or even reading and especially writing I prefer male characters over most female ones. So I agree with you. The idea that people watch something and can't relate to it if it's different (like that they're implying women can't enjoy male characters) is ridiculous
I'm moving to Warhammer 40k now. In Cavill I trust.
When KK answered that question, I never actually heard a yes. She said it was a game changer and a big movie, but she never even hinted that she actually likes it.
Honestly, my feelings for Star Wars have done a complete 180. I started as a huge fan, then became totally indifferent, and now, I'm almost rooting for it to just implode. Each of their ridiculous decisions actually gives me a bit of a thrill, because I'm here for the spectacle of the whole thing crashing down. It's not about being spiteful, but more like hoping that a colossal flop might finally clear the decks of all these posers and activists and steer us back to what Star Wars truly used to be.
"It's not something to be used to make the viewer feel bad about themselves in order to make them change, it's something that was meant to inspire." Very well said, Thor. I feel like this is one of the main issues today. People - especially in the film-making industry - try to teach their values by hatefully criticizing and condemning those they don't agree with instead of trying to inspire by setting good and relatable examples.
The last person who said they wanted to make people feel uncomfortable was also the person who made cuties and...well. Regardless, relating to back then or not, the message usually is handled poorly.
I'm getting Rian Johnson vibes... but with even less film-making competence
@@Lucrei. "Did you ever hear the Tragedy of Darth Ruin the Subverter?"
Totally nailed it, Thor. Inspiration is a much better motivation than lecturing.
Star Wars anything used to be auto-watch for me and my friends. Now - it's a default pass unless I've heard some glowing reviews first. Everything they make just sucks or goes to hell in short order.
Yeah....that non-answer from Kathleen Kennedy can roughly be translated as "I wasn't a Star Wars fan. I'm not a Star Wars fan. I never understood why it was popular despite many other people telling me exactly why they enjoyed it or what made it such a groundbreaking artistic endeavour"
I fully am on board for something to be for a certain group even when I am not a huge fan. I saw Dune a few years ago and thought it was fine I didn’t care to much but was glad it was made for the fans since that is what I want to see in my favorite franchises.
A few things:
1) People won't be shamed into watching this movie. People don't like to be told how they think. And if they think a certain way, a movie is not going to win them over.
2) Given Obaid-Chinoy's inexperience (in terms of Live-Action she only did two Episodes of _Ms.Marvel_ so far), I can already see how this is gonna go: Bad test screenings, massive reshoots and recuts, a ballooning budget. Unless Kennedy gives her complete creative control and has her back thorough the entire process no matter what, I don't think the finished product will feature much of the director's individual influence. Rather, this will probably feel and look like a Movie made by comittee.
This Star Wars film is going to bomb more than the Marvels.
I now think to myself How does it feel to live long enough to see one of my favorite franchises go down in flames
That comnent got old way to fast now it's annoying.
By “old”, you mean relevant…
Anyone who starts a sentence out with I enjoy making whomever uncomfortable loses my respect immediately. Rian Johnson did it and now this. If we truly want a level playing for both sexes, we must stop competing, comparing and tearing each other apart. We all have flaws, men and women are different and instead of celebrating those differences, people like this are more interested in watching the world burn, rather than progressing the human race.
At what point does sexism shift from women being oppressed to _men_ being oppressed? Cause I'm kind of concerned that we are starting to reach that threshold. Men shouldn't be shamed on or "made uncomfortable" just because of their gender. Its not right... Just because some men make stupid decisions doesn't mean all men are awful people. :(
There are A LOT of men who are willing and supportive of women's rights. That's like saying all white people are racist... Its simply not true.
This is hardly the venue for it, but men are objectively more oppressed by society now than women are.
The draft.
Family and divorce court.
Social security.
The concept of you having reproductive rights is a joke but for women it's unassailably sacred.
You ever heard one of these modern marxist-feminists call for more women in garbage picker or brick layer jobs even though those are heavily male dominated fields?
Of course not, because it's all about giving women privileged and preferential treatment.
The narrative that men can't be oppressed because they are oppressors by virtue of being men is apparently powerful and will need time to be eroded away. The sooner the better, in my opinion.
What's worrying to me is that this shift is basically trying to say that we as a species are incapable of propping up one group without kicking another to the ground to stand on top of. I know it's not really like that, but it feels that way because the people working on these projects seem more interested in acting on spite than make something good and enjoyable.
@@cybertramon0012 Yes, that's sadly very true. 😔
5:22 Hearing her answer, along with what Spielberg has said about her, brings to mind a line from Neurosonic's song 'Too Many People';
"Who's ____ did you have to ____ to get the Number One song?"
Again Thor you so beautifully expressed what I feel are all the points within this subject. It's really hard to find anything more that needs saying as you covered it all so well.
I think the worst element of this latest generation of femmanism is this whole notion that men are wrong and need fixing, that we are a problem, even THE problem, in society and these women have the solution. I believe that makes it pretty clear that they, and their movement, are the problem and it is they that are full of hate and desire to control and manipulate everyone else. I don't know if their goal is to actually convert men into queers, trans, or just serfs to serve their lesbian Amazonian fantasy world. It is only clear that we have no place in their world. This agenda isn't just being driven by her, KK, or even Iger, that whole company is nominated by these people as is almost all of the entertainment industry. The only answer I can see is a parallel one of basic, decent, and natural human sensibilities. It would be great if someone bought Star Wars back from them, but short of that it will take a regime change, followed by a massive purging of the woke, of Disney to save Star Wars.
Now if only I could unsubscribe from Disney+ AGAIN.
She said that she likes to "make men uncomfortable" about men in Packistan who were participating in "honor killings" and throwing acid on women. She made a movie about that, it wasn't about "all men" it was about the men in Packistan. Can we maybe start including that context in these videos? Becauase it entirely changes what she said from being something that we should be concerned about to something we should honor her for.
Agenda before story, I’ll take “Why does Star Wars continue to lose $$$ for $1000 Alex” Just tell a good, fun story and it it works better with a female lead fine, but Lucasfilm/Disney has apparently learned nothing from their past few years of box office failures
I think we have ourselves in a highly polarized environment, and people on the fringe are going overboard. If you're someone who has an unpopular opinion, it's now popular to make it known and to be obnoxious about it. The vast majority doesn't subscribe to any of it, and any context or nuance that could explain it is left to the wayside.
I had little appetite for this Rey movie before this weeks shenanigans, I have none now.
As soon as the Mandoverse wraps up, I’m done with Disney Star Wars. I gave the Rey movie hope until the director made that comment about needing a woman in charge as if that’s not the past decade and as if that even matters.
Even if Disney fires KK I’m convinced they’ll just replace her with someone worse.
I will never understand why they are going through with this Rey movie
Because no one wants to say "No." to them.
I’m going to create a petition to designate the EU (Legends) continuity as the prime timeline of the Star Wars Universe, with its own numerical designation, like Earth 616 marvel, and the Star Wars Cinematic Universe (Disney Canon as they call it) as a separate, or alternate timeline.
I’m also suspecting that Dave Filoni created The World Between World as a subtle way to explain the many alternate realities in the Star Wars galaxy. Either way, the Cinematic Timeline no longer has any interest of me. If I want to enjoy Star Wars I will read the vast library of novels, Dark Horse comics, and games we all enjoyed like Shadows, Dark Forces, Jedi Outcast, Kotor, Force Unleashed And Republic Commando.
I will admit Ive more of less jumped ship with starwars and made my way to Warhammer 40k. With Warhammer 40k i find all the things loved with starwars that are still in Warhammer and Disney hasnt ruined Warhammer. These days when I hear about a new starwars series or show. I turn the other way and get a new back if Warhammer miniatures
I've started creating my own IP, inspired by Lucas's wonderful universe, and I'll be dead before I ever sell it to some soulless corporation. Maybe someday you'll read and enjoy them.
@@rector0455 i will glady read the content your making just tell me where I can or send me a link my friend
As a woman, I'm offended by these remarks. I'm also ready to unsubscribe from Disney+, and walk away from Star Wars altogether. I might be willing to watch Andor if it is ever released, and possibly the Filoni movie. But aside from those, there is NOTHING about Star Wars I even care about anymore. It's basically become just another franchise. This makes me sad, as seeing Star Wars at a drive-in when I was 4 is one of my earliest memories, and I've loved Star Wars ever since. 😢
I'm not comfortable opening my wallet for this.
I felt more hope for Star Wars in 2018 than I did in 2023, and that is saying something.
I think we as a fandom needs to seriously consider boycotting any future Star Wars movies.
Like we probably still gonna check out what they make, but we sure as hell are not gonna give them any money for it
I'm not even going to check it out at this point, barring a total course correction by Lucasfilm
How is this madness continuing? Star Wars used to be about hope and redemption. Now it's about making people feel uncomfortable. Why?
If your content cannot be reversed without being sexist in wine way, than don't say it. Imagine a male director saying he likes to make women uncomfortable
In 2024, it's only sexist in one direction, though. One way lands you interviews on CNN and wins you plaudits from Hollywood; the other way has CNN running stories about misogyny and sees you blackballed from Hollywood.
At this point it’s kinda like Weekend at Bernie’s . Disney/LF are using the Star Wars name dragging it along hoping to party off it hoping nobody notices it’s dead.
was padmae and leia invisable to all the other female fans or was it just this old woman who saw them as good strong role models
And. Woman don’t do bad things? I have a friend who is into the new feminist Star Wars. He kept repeating this quote from Obama that the entire world would probably be much better if only women were in charge. Someone, lefties like him seem to forget that Margaret Thatcher (who is hated by lefties to this day) ran the UK, that the govt of the late Benazir Bhutto (the leader of Pakistan) was dogged by the same allegations of corruption as male led ones, and Aung San Su-Kyii (Myanmar) hardly had a spotless human rights record when she was in charge. Such issues transcend gender and identity.
Thank you for bringing up that evil witch. Most today have no idea what that women did to many workers and their families here in UK with massive job losses and poll tax leading to riots in the streets along with mass suicide rates increase.
I'm done with star wars. But lets all band together and give dune 2 a huge box office.
Its like taking the BARBIE franchise and say that women should feeel uncomfortable and insert the muscle-type guy with guns and shit because also men should like it.