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In this episode we show how to check the air suspension for leaks and how to rebuild a valve. We got a little distracted in this video with other things but we hope that you still watch it to the end.
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Ah another Sunday morning with my two favourite presenters
The entertainment is brilliant makes me laugh every episode, but the precision knowledge education we get is priceless I as an l320 rrs can't owe them enough for their videos thank you so much 😉👌😍👍👍👍
English expat living in Denmark here, absolutely loving your English language LR channel - you guys are hilarious. Completely changed my position on German peoples humour listening to you two! Very elegant and graceful delivery of top tips, thank you both!
Ive been watching you guys for around a year now, since i bought my disco 3, and i dont just watch for tips and how to's. I love the energy and chemistry between you guys, and the humour is second to none 😂 Thankyou for your guides and videos in general, from the UK 😊
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One of your best tutorials, thank you.
Mr Bodsy is the TH-cam channel and he did updated version of the valve block video from 4 years ago. Your video is excellent as are all of your videos. Totally agree 16"+ bar, high voltage, quality battery chainsaw is the way to go. So much more convenient than gas. Thank you guys!!
It’s Sunday evening here and I always enjoy sitting back and seeing you guys tinkering with your Landrover. You are very entertaining! 😀👍
Beautiful countryside view 24.28min. Wow! I love that roof top tent
Great idea on how to clean wheels. Thanks for sharing!
With you two it’s now a great Sunday morning
Excellent video, thank you for the information on this rebuild 👍👍
Your skills know no bounds. Well done to you both👏 having just watched you're crank failure lr4 rebuild videos.
Great advert for visiting Germany! Lovely views over the countryside….. great video :)
i just started watching your videos; I find your videos quite instructional, detailed and precise in many ways... there is easiness within the complexity of the projects from the point oof view of anything can be done if you are up to it, thank you and please continue with your weekly projects.. for your next project perhaps you can work on explaining how all the exterior lights work, specially how to turn on the city light which in some countries is disable like USA, perhaps it requires a hook up or programming...etc once gain thank you
Excellent work once again, thank you Vera and Christian.
Your TH-cam valve rebuild hero, Mr Bodsy, is the famous Bodsy from the Disco3UK forum. He wrote “Bodsy’s Brake Bible” the authoritative DIY MANUAL on Disco brakes.
Thank you once again. Superb work.
Enjoyed. You are very talented people with lovely personalities.
we left a bolt out on my coolant pump on my freelander and was wondering why it was leaking but no now LOL and chain saws are handy if you live in a very wooded area when a tree falls onto the road ,and your jack sounds like my jack creaking thank you for the video.
Love your channel! Very informative and entertaining!
One of your best with lots of variety. Well done kids.
Thanks for the video, very helpful.
Thank you for another insight into the LR3. I will have to do or let the garage do a lot on the suspension this year (now 275 tkm and 14 years). I still try to figure out how to split tasks between me (cheaper ;-) ) and the garage. Most likely I will do the air suspension parts that can be done without disassembling the wishbones etc. and let all the parts that require re-aligning and measuring to the professionals.
Good morning. Lovely to wake up to a video release from you. I was up from 6am. It's too hot in the UK right now
Great job! I hope this is fixed, after all. And I loved your dialogue today. You guys made me laugh sooo many times! 😆😆 Thanks!
Have done this - valve service and airbag replacement on a Range Rover L322 - most difficult part was freeing a seized/rusted pinch bolt on a front shock absorber. There are several suppliers of these service kits - some are better than others - I remember I bought kits from different suppliers in order to track down the best kit - the o-rings are not expensive.
Another great video, thanks guys
Another informative video many thanks.
Excellent stuff guys.
Thanks for showing us how easy it is to service the suspension valve block. Mine was replaced 3 years ago with an OEM unit by the dealer I bought the LR3 from. It cost me nothing, they paid for it in the name of customer service which was nice. PS, I don't know if there is a non-genuine unit.
Vera, you don't have to take the ARB Deluxe bull bar off to unscrew the wheel arch screw. There is enough room to push the lights out a little bit to access the screw. It is a tight fit, but can be done easily.
I've had air suspension on my Teslas but no problems in over 100,000 miles. Nice smooth ride and I do like the ability to raise the suspension for "off road" use (not that I do much off road in the Teslas... that's what the LR is for).
mir gefällt deine vorgehensweise bei der arbeit und wie du es erklärst !! geil !!
That's amazing what those engineers did building those valve units, it is just as amazing to see Christian Service the unit with all those O-rings and stuff, Vera and I are in suspense watching!
I was surprised that it actually fixed the leak and that is was still working. Would not touch the internal rings again. Just the big ones. Christian
@@Vera_and_Christian You can fix anything you put your mind to, Christian!
I changed my Stihl petrol saw to a battery Stihl 220c , the battery saw is scary as it doesn't really give you an indication of what power it has , takes a bit of getting used to.
Absolutely love it for convenience and we're now going to be getting Stihl battery tools for my work too.
Hi Great job but I found Waffle square guy who fix the walves and it might be useful for next time . I enjoy your work very much keep up as I am in process of finding the right disco 3 so your work and advice is precious.
Yeah, the air suspension has amazing ride quality and it's also great for off roading as well. I concede that it adds some unreliability to the vehicle (especially if neglected), but it's worth the trouble. In fact, the air suspension is the main reason why I recently added a Range Rover to my fleet 👍
I rebuilt my front valve block on my Disco 3 over a year ago and I never figured out where that small O-ring went 😂
I agree. The system is worth the eventual trouble. Pretty sure the valve was leaking internally. Vehicle stays raised and no more faults. Enjoy your Range Rover. Christian
I'm using Arnott 2809 shocks for the front suspension on my LR3. So far are good, and were easy to install
I'm at 170K+ miles on my original LR4 shocks. I think I'm going to replace them with the Arnotts.
Very informative as always......great video! From your Aussie friends who dont drive Toyotas although half the country does...so they need a hammer and shifter and oh what a feeling!
Its 10 deg c here, yes we get cold too but not much.usualky we walk a round in our budgy smugglers snd thongs (flip flops)
Amazing video.
A word of advice when you replace the Air Strut , torque the bottom shock bolt from your pit after fitting the new strut/shock with the car in normal ride height and all 4 wheels on the ground . Oxyman in the US does a good TH-cam video on quickly replacing LR3 Airshocks
I think the Mr Bodsey video on servicing the valve block is The Brake bible guy, Ian Bodsworth.
Nice to see the "Voyager 1" Tent heater getting used again .
Vera stressing about the car evertime it's on axle stands is priceless!!!
Yes, I tightened them before wrong and it twists the bushing badly. Christian
Vera " don't break it or i will take your car" you pair are a delight to watch .
😅👍 And I mean it, and he knows it. 🙋♀️Vera
Germans eating sausages for supper!! What ever next! Where were the vegetables?
I really hate it when something gets fixed without really changing any parts. I bet Christian found that frustrating! Still with valves and contamination its possible as long as the seal is undamaged.
Anyway the nice thing about a Land Rover is there are always things to fix, and even if there aren't any, there soon will be. Try to get a PCM-Engine Diesel 3.0L, P1247-00 (AF), Turbocharger boost pressure low ( on 19-07-2022 12:22:03 at 123342 mi ) fault code for next time then we can see how the professionals do it!
Loved the video, I might ditch my Netflix account as you guys are far more entertaining! Great job.😃
Thanks. There are multiple potential causes for low boost pressure. The LR4 workshop manual has a in depth diagnostic procedure. Christian
@@Vera_and_Christian What manual do you recommend, I have the workshop manual pdf version from Ebay but its huge (7423 pages of LR Time), searching for P1247 gives no hits, but Turbo gets you into the right ball park. Can you show us what you use (and study) in another episode?
Grüße aus Messel, Ich hab Mir auch ein LR4 gekauft. da werd ich dann auf das Vid öfters zurückgreifen müssen :D
Gutes Vid 🤗
Another Sunday video yup yup 👍👍👍👍
oh mannn this is so suspenseful, shouldn't be watching this before sleep!
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Hello Christian and Vera, the noise the valve makes, is because de EAS Computer, instead of sending a continuous 12 V signal, it sends a PWM signal in order to actuate the valve. This PWM signal lowers the amperage needed to actuate the valve spool. Its a common practice in order to reduce the load on the electrical system.
Thank you.
Not very German i know but I'd not refit that liner screw behind the light 😊. Great video as always.
Me neither 😅👍🙋♀️Vera
Great video guys! I find it so very frustrating when you buy a kit to repair something, and find that none of the contents fit...Christian behaved a lot better than I would have done 😂. I love the fact that the two of you can just "go" and have a night away from home, we have a caravan that takes forever to load up 🙈. Have a great week and take care.
😅👍It's the same with a car. It doen't matter if you go for one night or 4 weeks. You got to pack it all. It's really time consuming. That's why I actually want to have a van, packed at all times.😃 🙋♀️Vera
Hi Vera. Be careful what you wish for, we found that the bigger caravan we bought the more stuff you find to take with you 🙄😂
Ah yes, the old hidden screw in the wheel arch trick. I didn't need to take my bullbar off to get it out as I forgot it completely and ripped it out. Vera I still think the cracks in the strut are just baked on dirt. Are you going to replace the complete strut or just the shock absorber? I went Koni FSD for my shocks, and had to order them from GB as not available in Oz. Good work with the valves, I really should do mine!
Vera , I love Your "Oh my god" al the time :)
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It was going so well until 27 minutes and then the disaster ..... Making coffee in an LRO video OMG 🤣🤣 so glad you blurred it out 😁👍great video but Vera..... Christian says he's going to get you some new OEM air shocks but you didn't hear it from me ok 👍shhhh 😁
😅👍But the shocks are still just fine. I really want a walkie talkie first.💪🙋♀️Vera
Hi Vera & Christian. Greetings from the Toyota front down under. Another day with our Landcruiser 105 series ... and again ... nothing to repair. I really getting bored. Shall I damage something purposely? Mmmhh? I should better have bought a Disco. 🤣🤣🤣
I do love Vera's oh my god 👍👍🤗🤗🤗🤣🤣
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Another great video..I am also looking for a leak but in the rear..Vera have you ever thought about the patches on a baseball cap? I think the badge would look great 👍
We are working on our merch. But it's diffficult to find one single online store who is shipping all over the world for reasonable shipping cost. If I would have to ship them personally, a package to Australia or the UK would cost 15€ shipping alone. And that is where most of our viewers live who would actually order something. 🙋♀️Vera
18:30 - Good bullbars don't need to 🙃 My ECB bar has the hole just big enough to trap your fingers while holding the light, and extract it, with some skin. SO awesome
I rebuilt the front valve block on ours which in 2 years of ownership is the only single issue we had with the air suspension and caused a slow leak, which didn't affect the driving but would occasionally throw an error. One tip is I bought 100% silicone lubricant and made sure all o rings had a coating of this before reassembly. Not a single leak since :)
We use silicone lube. 😃👍🙋♀️Vera
@@Vera_and_Christian good stuff, I thought it was unlikely I knew something you didn't! Always amazed by your work, be nice to meet one day.
@@chrisoverson 😅👍🙋♀
Great works you guys….Tried to do this myself last year & I got the rings all mixed up….long story short it didn’t go very well for me, ended up just getting a brand new front valve block
At least you only got 1. Ordered a cheap non land rover one from eBay only to find the electrical socket was leaking air after fitting 🤔 so then had to buy another proper new one from LR - still wasn't fixed so then new compressor... and now we have suspension again 🤗
😅👍You just need someone like me helping you, then that will not be happening again. 🙋♀️Vera
Thanks man really appreciate it. Such a cool wife too! cheers
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OOOh. Nice set of Micrometers.
Great job, but I have a leak on my driver's side. Will track the leak and hopefully get it back to normal. One question though, could you show how you plugged the oil pressure gauge? Thanks Christian. Vera's comments are so funny :)
The leak is coming from your sunroof most likely. Have you seen this video yet? th-cam.com/video/604513GUKws/w-d-xo.html🙋♀️ Vera
When you consider that air suspension has been pretty standard on commercial vehicles running at 44 tonnes plus for over fifty years, it's obvious that the system works. I know the ride in my Disco 3 is very comfortable and I have an after market suspension control which allows me to level the vehicle side to side as well as front to rear and has a 'trailer hitch up' setting as well. Yes, it can be problematical but then so is most everything if you don't look after it. I certainly wouldn't change it for a mechanical system.
Oh don't get us wrong, we praise the air suspension. It's the best thing going for the Discovery, we would not want to change it, and have stated so in many, many videos. Did I say many videos? 😃 It's one of the biggest sins, changing over to coil spring just because someone does not take care and service the air suspension.🙋♀️Vera
HaHa! Awesome video, great info, and entertaining.
Worms! I didn't realize you lived near there. I would like to go someday to see where the Reformation started.
We live close by, about 45 min. It's our backup trainstation when trains at the closer one are running late or getting canceled. 👍🙋♀️Vera
Hallo Christian. Ob ich die Radhausschale auch heraus bekomme, ohne die Kotflügelverbreiterung abzubauen? Und ich glaube zu wissen, das man die Luftleitungen, auch vorne und hinten separat entleeren kann. Gute Arbeit, aber das weißt du ja.
Just wonder about those wheel spacers? Do they increase the stress on the wheel bearings?
ooo , You see , as I type to You via email with the same issue in my Disco4. Im during changing front and rear air valve. in my case every morning only front was 2.5cm down and was pumped to normal high. We will see if after changing air valve will be OK :) Regards
Am so glad I stumbled across this! What a brilliant take on Land Rover ownership - really engaging and very funny in parts, thoroughly enjoyed this video. I have had 3 RR classics, a P38 and D3 and currently D4. One of my classics and my P38 both reached 300,000 miles with no major failures, just very regular high quality servicing by someone who knows what they are doing. Maintenance is not cheap but if you keep on top of it these are very reliable cars. PS - if you want decent drinkable coffee watch a jeep channel, the toyota ones make awful stuff!!
😅👍I know how to make good coffee. 🙋♀️Vera
The big issue with the old Classic and P38 was that everytime the system detected a fault it would put the vehicle down to the bumpstops. The "cure" was worse than the fault. I think that soured a lot of people on it. The air suspension on my L322 has been flawless. You need to buy a 2006-2011 L322 so I can learn more about my truck. Please.......
Guys, the valve block affects the compressor when one of air spring valves (or both of them) are leaking. Center valve does not affect neither height nor compressor time. The spring valve leak when the rubber bump in the center of stock is worn. Use sharp tool to pull rubber bumps off of stock, then use metal or plastic spacer to displace bump out of stocks and then use sand paper to remove worn part of rubber. It will have immediate results, but after 5-10 months you will see leaking is back, so yeah new valve block.
Just a thought; have you taken into consideration the temperature drop in the air bellows during the night? Could it explain the drop in height?
I was thinking this as well, and air barometric pressure which does change by the hour, or is so little air in the system not to matter?
@@WhosPhotoTube Of course, it would have to be measured, but my guess is that it is enough air in the bellows to give a 1,5cm drop with a 10-15°C temperature differential.
If the car rises again towards the afternoon, we have our answer.
The air spring system in my E39 Tourings is unaffected by the outside barometric pressure. There are two steel air reservoirs, one per side, which equalise the pressure. I suspect that the Land-Rovers have a similar system given their BMW heritage.
What is your preferred tool/method for removing the plastic rivet/clips which hold on the wheel arch (and other things)? I always seem to make this take forever and also damage the clips!
I build a special plier and showed it in many videos before but not in this one. I don’t know if a good commercial tool. Christian
i have a 2011 mall crawler and sometimes it only starts when i push the break down extremely hard (the break pedal gets very hard sometimes). it rides fine and no lights flashing. any thoughts or ideas?
PS - you guys are great!
Bull bar or Nudge Bar ...that is the question Vera? Which looks better?
Hey guys. Great video. I had the same problem. I ended up buying a D4 used valve block front. Sorted. Also what gap tool do you use?? Great video as always.
We have the GAP tool for Land Rover vehicles. There are no other versions for the same vehicle brand, like with the icarsoft tool. 🙋♀️Vera
@@Vera_and_Christian thanks Vera. Appreciate your reply. 👍🏻👍🏻
Hello! Trying to solve a EAS relay puzzle. Thought I'd ask you guys. Relays for AMK compressors are 80 amp and Hitachi are 70 amp, yes? I have a 3rd type among my spares which is stamped "70A Cont - 140A Peak." I'm assuming that this 3rd style is simply a 70 amp relay with more words on the case. Any opinion about this question and compressor relay amperage? Thanks!
Are you considering that the air in the struts cools down overnight, thus reducing the pressure by a few hPa ??
And have you connected that DAB+ aerial to the Pure Highway ? If yes, how did you connect that ?
No, definitely not. The system is under pressure. So there was a leak somewhere. 🙋♀️Vera
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Check out the Koni Heavy Track suspension for the Discovery 3. It’s semi active and May be a worthy update.
When we finally do change the shocks, I will definitly consider the Koni ones. They are about the same price as OEM ones here in Germany. 🙋♀️Vera
@@Vera_and_Christian Good stuff! Love the content, thank you for everything!
Hi Christian and Vera, the snorkel is noisy... Could foam inside reduce the noise? Thanks, take care 👏
😅👍We love the sound of the snorkel and would never do anything about it. 🙋♀Vera
Had some trouble with mine, two new front valves and a new Hitachi compressor later - it works muahahahaha
Sehr schönes How To Video. :) ich denke mal ne Werkstatt hätte die ganze Moduleinheit für die Luftfederung getauscht. ;) Wartet ihr auch gelegentlich eure Winde? Meine hat sich beim Disco nach 30 Jahren von selber zerlegt, weil ich der zu wenig Aufmerksamkeit geschenkt habe. Kleine Anmerkung noch, beim aufbocken des Fahrzeugs empfiehlt es sich hinten noch einen Keil gegen wegrollen unter die Räder zu legen. ;)
Ja das wissen wir natürlich. Dafür hat dieses mal die Anhängerkupplung hergehalten. 👍💪🙋♀️Vera
Noticed on my D4 there is no need to take the light out anymore, the bolt is now on the inside of the fender :)
What model electric chainsaw? Been looking at these for a while. Means we don't have to carry smelly fuel in the car when we go away. Also reduces the noise pollution 😊
I got the Stihl because it is available here in Germany. Don’t buy cheap as you need the battery to last and basically bigger (capacity) is better. Christian
Hello, what scanner do you use to identify the errors and adjust the suspension? i need one
GAP IID
27:02. 😂😂😂😂
(Coffee)
Yes I drink coffee. But we have enough funny content to not fill out precious time with coffee making. 😅👍🙋♀️Vera
Timely for me, thank you! Was the GAP tool picking up an error, or the car for that matter?
BTW - Martin Luther posted the 95 theses to the church door in Wittenberg. He was summoned to the Diet of Worms where he was excommunicated.
We used to laugh about Martin Luther and his diet of worms. Tasty!
Hi. Which OBD 2 you are using? Thanks
Gap tool, but we also have an icarsoft🙋♀️
Hi Christian. The gap tool you are using 17min 21 sec, did this come with the Disco 3 or is it a separate purchase? I thought it may be a separate purchase
It is a separate purchase and quite expensive. Google GAPIID or Gap Diagnostic. It’s the best unit available. Christian
@@Vera_and_Christian Thank you for the info Christian
@@Vera_and_Christian There are 2 versions of the tool, the IIDTool BT at £440 & the IIDTool Pro at £1,650. Were you referring to the pro tool? If so, it is expensive but needed if one wants a good diagnostic tool
@@life107familyfitnessboxing8 you don't need the Pro version unless you plan on using it on multiple vehicles. The BT version is good for one vehicle ( it is locked to the VIN No. You can purchase a new code to transfer it to another vehicle if needed).
@@AndyK.1 it is pricey, but you can sell the Gap Tool when you sell the car. No other tool is as comprehensive as the GAP tool. Why spend a fraction of the cost to save some money, when you just have to pay a dealership in the end to do a task that an Autel can't do. Not worth it in my book, but to each their own.
May I know what OBD scanner that you were using on your phone?
We use the Gap iid tool. 🙋♀️Vera
I think the chain needs a sharpening 👍👍👍🤗🤗🤗🇮🇪🇮🇪
I've done my work for the day. I can put my feet up now.
Oh my God!
Using rocks to level the vehicle for camping?!?! I thought this was NOT a Toyotal channel... 😂
I have two 'Lev-o-gauge' inside the D3 and use service/test valves in IID to get the vehicle just how I like it.
What's that awesome app and OBD adapter?
Gap diagnostic tool 🙋♀️
I have a very odd question I have been chasing a fault on my discovery 3 and found that when testing the power and ground on my center valve block solenoid I have 12v live on both wires. I unplug power to the suspension module and retest the solenoid there's nothing and when I plug the module back in I have a negative reading on both wires from my power probe but no continuity to ground it's blown my mind I'm not sure what to do next to be honest
You can find the wiring diagram in the www. The solenoids are PWM controlled. It’s not simple 12v Stuff. Not sure about the ground so. Check the wiring diagram.
I stopped a leaking air bag with a tire puncture repair aerosol can - was still going strong when I sold the car 3 years later
Vera what do I do to get one of your patches ?? !:)
You need to send me email. Then I can send you my paypal adress and you can send me your adress. That cannot be done here in the comment section. And unfortunately, I can't write my email here, and you neither, you will be spamed by bots. 🙋♀️Vera
At 8:04 what was plugged into the OBD II Port before he plugged in the Gap Tool?
That ist the hardware of the Gap tool. Costs 600€🙋♀️
@@Vera_and_Christian Thank you, my Gap tool came in today I'm no longer a sinner. :-)
I have had a timing belt go prematurely (aftermarket) while cruising on the highway. Ive bent a valve and broken the oil pump so the Cylinder heads have had to come off to ensure no further valves are bent. At 330k the bottom end of the engine still looks great with no ridge on the cylinders. Moral of the story. Rather replace with OEM components on critical areas.
You probably still had the old oilpump we always warn about. We cannot mention enought that everyone with a Disco from 2005 till 2009 should have checked what oilpump they have installed. 👍🙋♀Vera
What tool set is that you have?
We have a Gedore Tool Kit. Christian
Here in the UK we used to collect hospital statistics on the causes of injuries, which were published. Last time they were published, more people had been seriously injured in accidents involving trousers than those involving chainsaws. Ok, so more people wear trousers than use chainsaws, but I'm still somewhat puzzled as to how an accident with trousers is possible...
I belong to those peole getting hurt while putting on pants in a rush, loosing balance and falling down the stairs. I really don't think that I would kill myself with a chainsaw and protective wear. 😅👍🙋♀️Vera
Ze Bosch wiper blades for ze win 🤜
I am not appreciating being mocked about my pronounciation. I'll bet you speak your second language not perfect either.😅👍🙋♀Vera