You can find the Atmosfär series for people with Autism and Anxiety disorders right here. www.youtube.com/@atmosfar2661 If the link doesn't work (youtube is fussy like that) just search on here for Atmosfär Project Thumper is located over on my classroom-appropriate channel called Chaotic Good. You can find it here. th-cam.com/video/K85W3JeOUPs/w-d-xo.html
The stamping/clamping forces are monstrous. Note small injection molding machines are 20-150 ton(ish) Large are 750-3000 ton(ish) A pretty big little brother. A midsize molding machine will turn you 2 dimensional quicker than you can say Schwarzenegger. (actual events not in theory)
Two handed is pretty normal for anything that can just flatten whatever body part ends up in there. Running a press for days will make anyone complacent.
or a rare example of workers going "nah im not dying to make the owner of this place a few more dollars" but either way, it is scarily rare to see safety mechanisms which havent been bypassed
As the only manual machinist in a large tool and die shop, I light up like a kid on Christmas when our kind of work receives the appreciation from people I can look up to in other industries. The feeling of mutual respect and recognition between various masters of craft is truly something.
meanwhile our leaders, well most of them, would rather you have 200K in college load debt, making powerpoint presentations for a living, while somewhere in the turd wurld, a kid is running a completely unsafe version of what you were-[splat]--wait, a new kid is running,,,
as someone who has found himself in management, i try to get people who are both CNC and manual (or a mix if people who know both are not available). CNC is generally the winner but some stuff just doesn't make sense on a CNC if you got a shaper and someone who knows how to use one.
My dad was a tool maker for years used to love listening to stories of how he’d sit and listen to a press hit and he could tell where and what wasn’t right by the sounds it made and was able to fix them using his ears and eyes only truly a master of his craft
It's also like National geographic wilderness video, but into shorts and machines. For normal people that have to operate a machine like that is pretty annoying, sometimes stressful (here comes automatization into help), but for the ones that create the molding negative/positive for perforation and bending, it's like an intricate project, that once is done is somehow relieving. I think more complex than this has to be the molding for plastic parts, which benefits for a pretty accurate process to implement all the tech there's inside for thak kind of mold.
Was lucky to do electrical work in several tool & die shops and plants that had stamping presses. One was so large they had to cut out the roof to make room for very high machine. Something that is seldom mentioned is close tolerances cause a higher # of workers to go nuts. While working at one shop a supervisor ruined a mold after spending over a week making it. He went in the owners office and quit he was so upset. Owner called him up the next day and talked him into returning to work. One time worked 12 hours next to a giant old stamping press that the ground vibrated with every blow. After I went home felt like I was still experiencing vibrating.
I worked at a machine shop with nothing but presses. Sounds like they had one close to the size at that place. Dies came in over 40 tons and needed a forklift the size of a 2 story house to move the dies into place. Conveyer belt under the plant always needed work because the vibrations from the machines wrecked havoc on it. They had maybe 40 presses total in the place and atleast 15 of them shook the entire plant so bad you could feel it in the parking lot Infront of the plant.
Watching a series of 100ton punch press machines using progressive dies all running in sync with continuous cycle is something to watch. Like a huge industrial sowing machine in it's rhythmic operation and the bass like thumping felt in the ground as all the dyes slam down at once.🎶🥁🎶🥁🎶🥁🎶🥁🎶🥁
I used to work/will be working in a plant that does stamping as an engineering intern. I got to play around near, not with, the “small experimental” press that they use to test dies. It’s an 800 ton press.
Rahhhh! Tool and Die makers rise up! But seriously, we're a dying breed, not enough young folks with the tism are getting into machining much less Tool & Die work.
I worked at a stamping shop a while back. It was cool using shadows to measure tolerances via optical comparators, gauges blocks, micrometers, etc. those had tolerances within 0.002”, my favorite was the spo2 sensors which had tolerances within 0.0004”. Those were measured via focal points with a 50x microscope. We also did a lot of parts for NASA, Lockheed, and a whole lot of government departments
It's surprising how many mom&pop machine shops have contracts to make parts for Big Companies that end up in MilSpec and aerospace gear. “We can't tell you what it's for so don't ask and don't tell anyone else, either.”
"...skills evolved past engineering and into art" is such a beautiful line. Between military and private sector I've been doing electronics/communications for about 20 years and have had the pleasure of working with such individuals on occasion. Bravo sir!
Electrical discharge machining (EDM) and it's new baby brother CNC EDM has become the artist's brush of the tool and die world, cutting molds, dies and shaping tools in fractions of the time and cost of precision machining of 15 years ago.
My first job was in a tool shop with 7 cnc wire EDM's. I didn't run any of them, but I got to watch them all run. I was a brazer, installing the carbide inserts and guide pads into the tools before they got ground/wired to size. They are some of the coolest machines around. Makes my cnc lathe look like a kids toy
So glad you’re doing a series on this sort of stuff. My grandfather was a tool and die maker originally with Ford, but later with a few other companies before finally running the machine shop at a coal plant. I came up through the “little brother” in medical plastics, although not as a tool and die maker. I’m in automation/mechatronics and maintenance. I’ve since moved on from the plastics industry and work in utility level battery storage, but I really really loved my time in injection molded plastics. It was a pretty well rounded experience between electrical, mechanical, engineering, and programming and had the opportunity to get my greasy paws into all sorts of cool projects and trials. These days I mostly just reset estops and run the recovery file on some six axis Fanucs. 🤣
I've run mechanical brakes and shears, nothing that big, but they can get pretty dangerous. On one press a coworker tried to run it, and set up the height wrong. Then instead of inching it down to make sure it was right, he slammed it down at full speed. When the punch bottomed out in the die, it split the front edge off with enough force that it broke his hand and dented the wall next to my bench. I was the only one allowed to operate it after that.
Due to working in automotive collision repair and being around the individual stamped pieces all day i would love to see some stamping from a car plant. They will stamp entire unisides from a single peice of steel, but sometimes aluminum. Id also like to scream at whoever decides to not swap out the dies because over time those dies will wear out snd you end up with replacement parts that do not fit correctly.
Thats what i do for a living but scaled up quite a bit. I run a 5000 ton transfer press. Once you start exceeding 2000 tons per stroke, thats were the fun is....and most everyone goes deaf.
@jamesrivettcarnac one of the dies I run is a Caterpillar part, and currently my biggest die. The coils of steel alone are 32 tons, 72in wide and 3.2mm thick. Part come out almost 70in wide and is nothing more than a mostly flat plate with trapezoidal holes punched in it weighing almost 75 pounds a piece.
A am in a place with a previous CAT electrical engineer who is at the top of his game and his brother running a tool and die shop equally incredibly talented at his craft. Just got a Robot running with an UNMATCHED Miller welder. This Fanig robot is mated with Lincoln welder originally. The engineer was able to bypass digital switching and get analog working good enough to automate a process for his brother. Fanig is requesting now that he "SHARE" that knowledge!
I got to work with diesel like that for a couple years. Giant flywheel presses and hydraulic presses. It was only a few years ago but the tool and die makers have not been replaced for decades now and the supply seems to be running low. Maybe their all on the east coast .
I grew up in a small town in Ontario Canada that had bunch of factories that used stamping presses and had some of the best tool and die shops in the world. I might have ended up running one of these, but then China started going full bore when I was in high school in the 90s and all the factories shut down in a few short years. I believe there is still a couple tool and die shops left but it's just a shadow of what it once was.
I used to work on a Hydraulic Fin Press in a major factory here in the US. I started as a Machine Operator but quickly got tapped to be a Die Setter for it and the various other die machines throughout the factory. To this day, one of the best jobs I ever had as far as allowing me to use my natural "knack" for tinkering...until the day I broke my back from some dumbass new operator bypassing the machines lockout-tagout by removing my Supervisor key from the machine panel. He was running a few minutes late, was on his final warning for it, and "just wanted to hurry up and get the machine running" in hopes that the supervisor wouldn't notice he was late yet. He didn't understand why the machine didn't start, was panicking, and yanked the key when he saw it was inserted and turned to "manual override" because again he was panicking and didn't understand. He also didn't see that I was halfway inside the guts of the machine with my partner on the other side. I am alive and also still able to walk today only because my partner immediately saw what was happening and SPRINTED to hit the emergency stop at the last possible second.
Holy shit. I hope the safety tag out process was improved to prevent a manual override, terribly sorry for what happened to you. At my fathers place of business they were doing 'routine emergency' machine maintenance (unplanned troubleshooting) WITHOUT properly tagging out the section the person was working on. His partner (supposed to stay with him) left him to go troubleshoot elsewhere and well. There's a reason everyone on that team was retrained or fired.
My dad works with a guy who got his arm stuck in one. They stopped the process, but the press needed to finish the cycle before it came back up. The operator refused to finish the cycle, so the guy who was stuck demanded that they bring the pedal over so he could do it himself.
@@Ahsad-Afghan Every press I have personally worked on (quite a few) has the ability to "reverse" at least in a step by step manner, just in case. That is what saved me from being stuck in there for several hours waiting for the machine to be taken apart. In all honesty, I dont blame the operator for not wanting to finish the cycle. That is a major ask of someone who didnt sign up for those sorts of decisions. That is a crisis of morals, conscious, and possible legal/financial trouble on top of it possibly years after the incident.
When the big press was running it used to make engine covers for catapiller the buildings across the road would vibrate, it eventually cracked the building.
Holy shit, i never thought you'd cover stamping/shear/form press work. Happy to see a bit of what i do show up here and getting some love it so desperately deserves!
I can sit and watch this type of machine for hours! Each tamp on the metal creates artwork! The people who develop the set-ups so that each beat of this metal heart pumps out exact pieces are to be admired. They truly are artists. We need more of them.
My first factory job was at a place that made grills (for cook outs) and I ended up working in fabrication setting the dies for these presses. We had a Niagara 400 or larger ton press similar to the one you show here as well as about 10 other similarly sized presses all in a row packaged together so tightly that it made me a wizard on the forklift setting and pulling the dies. Our Niagara was so close to its neighboring presses that when you would set and pull dies, the ass end of the forklift would be hitting the bed of the neighboring press. One die was so large that it took up nearly every square in of that Niagara’s press bed and so heavy that even with our larger forklift, it had to be set in two separate pieces. There was only one path to victory when setting a die that size in that tight of space, and you had to be at least a savant with the lift to get that top half of the die into place in such tight quarters and then lower it ever so gingerly onto the bottom section so that you didn’t break any part of the die. The press room was adjacent to a large room with a 10 ton I-beam crane that we called the “steel bay”. This long bay with its high ceiling was filled end to end with rolls of steel starting from 6in wide all the way up to 42in wide. We as “set- up technicians” would handle the steel, load it onto the de- coilers, and feed it through the rollers where the ‘curl’ would be set to flatten out the steel so that it would run flat through the machine and die. For some parts with large, flat panels, which would become the cabinet doors of the grill, we would need to set the die in a very specific location on the bed so that the roller mark left on certain types of steel wouldn’t show up in the middle of the parts but rather close to the cut- off. We had about 110 different dies of all shapes and sizes. One other guy and myself were responsible for setting up all of the machines for our shift. A busy day for us would be around 6 change- overs on the big machines. I worked there for a little over 2 years and made about $12 and hour by the time I left. I was still considered a temp worker.
My grandfather was a die maker at Ford about 30 years ago now. He would often talk about how we loved his job and more than that the folks he worked with. I may work in a different field, but he's given me more useful electrical knowledge than any JW I've worked for.
Very cool to see you feature this, my grandfather has been a tool and die maker since high school, 66 years using nothing but manual mills and lathes, it truly is a lost art.
currently work in the maintenance department of a forge shop, similar to what you're seeing here but much more violent. these machines are just so cool to watch run.
I went through a Chrysler plant about 30 years ago and was amazed at all the robotics robots and stamping machines. It was fantastic. Very few people working there in the section that I was in thank you
Where it gets weird is plastic injection molding. The mold is not just made to the reverse of the desired part; it must be built to allow for shrinkage of the part as the heat from molding tightens up the long-chain polymers. Don't forget about glycol coolant lines in the mold! If you hook them up with the wrong flow, the part cools improperly and ends up the wrong shape. That's where art plus science equals wizardry, and that's pretty cool.
My grandfather was a blanker operator for Ford I remember going on the tour every year and getting to see him on the job. That press was bigger than a house and absolutely shook the floor! He's very proud of his career and all the F150 cab backs he stamped out.
As someone who used to work in a press shop, I love seeing these things get some love. A good portion of our machines were old enough to be eligible for social security but they still pounded away regardless. Also, nothing makes heads turn and supervisors run quite like the sound of a progressive die jamming and crashing the press. So supervisors, make sure your guys are well trained before you leave them by themselves. 😆
Its crazy seeing people be fascinated by these, when I started working on them when i was 18. Mechanical/electrical side, not the die. I'm no toolmaker. 400 ton rated presses that shook the concrete on every hit. Just seemed so normal after awhile of hearing the thumps. Felt like yesterday getting on top of them with a cherry picker to inspect the tops of the connecting rods that were the size of a car. Left for the air force, now being 21, but damn do I miss those marvels of engineering.
Great video! I work as a control design engineer for a manufacturer of press safety control systems. It’s been great to see some of these in the field!
I appreciate this little short since i grew up in a tool and die shop. My dad owned one for for over 30 years until he recently sold it (still stayed on as foreman tho). I still love going down and helping him out with stuff even tho being a machinist wasnt my calling.
I work at mercedes benz germany as a service electrican ( googel Presswerk Bremen) We have 2 "press hall's" with around 150 presses combined The mold's weigh around 22 . The sounds and vibration shake the hole building but it is fazinating to watch steal coils go in and a car dore com out arund 100m later
I used to work at a fineblanking facility in their die shop. It’s amazing to see the complex shapes with perfect 100% shear all around on a part that is half an inch thick. Die timing is a really awesome art as well.
I worked for a certain refrigerator company for a co-op and one of my favorite machines was this one. It was super cool to see the different steps of the part being stamped out hit by hit into a finished part. It makes for a very fast high output machine for products that require many thousands of the same part each day
I was trained as a tool and die maker and loved my time in it. I went into it because I wanted to learn my craft to the best. And here in Wisconsin we got some of the best and hardest program. There is even a award program when I was in it that the tool and die maker association called surgeons of steel awarded by the teachers to there best student and I got one and it was a Kennedy box. Sadly I left the feild to work in the feild for personal reasons but I went into feild machining and it's just as hard. Now I refurbish the embed parts of hydro stations of all size, steel mills, and pretty much anything.
I was a remanufacturer mechanic/welder at minster machine for a while coolest machines I learned so much there. DAC 300 baby power house of long stoke punch presses!!!!!!
yup guns made from stamping like the STG 44 are still up to snuff almost a 100 years later. giant machines making tiny detailed steel parts. its AMAZING❤
There are days that I miss machining, but I would have to leave the area that I love and call home to find any real machining jobs. It really is an art form
I worked in so many press shops. It turns into torture when 200 machines are going bang bang bang all day with oil mist in the air. Even with ear plugs your head rings all night.
Hey sir. Im getting ready for my asvab test for the army, im a commercial pilot for work and have done 4 years of marine outboard mechanics. But I still dont understand electricity as much as I wish I would. If you could do a series on the basics that would be awsome.
You're gonna do FINE on your ASVAB. And the new series is ALREADY STARTING! It's on my other channel and it's EXACTLY what you're asking for. th-cam.com/video/3G9jjOs1M20/w-d-xo.html
Glad some people are kicking their chops over this. Just starting to work on these types of presses, and I cringe when I get calls to them. We have several old Niagara presses. Dirty as hell and all the control systems are older than dirt and about 20 years overdue for an upgrade. We do have a brand new 700 ton servo press we just installed but they haven’t commissioned it yet for production.
I use to work at a machine shop with a ton of presses. The largest press had dies that came in around 40 tons. The forklift used to that pressed dies was an old dockyard container forklift with forks mounted to it. Operator sat about 20 feet in the air and the wheels were well over 12 ft tall in the front not much taller then me on the back putting them around 7ft or so. It had stairs at the rear to go up to the cockpit. Osha didn't require it to have any of those fancy blue lights and other things you now see on lift vehicles due to the entire section being shut down and barricaded when it does move.
The amount of "figuring things out" for tool clearances, deformation, springback (does this even apply?), and more is crazy. As a machinist, don't think I could hack it as a sheetmetal mechanic 😁
I ran transfer presses right out of high school for about 3 years at a Toyotetsu plant in southern Kentucky. Everything from little coil fed ones that made tiny brackets to give blank fed ones that turned out control arms and structural sheet metal parts of cars. Fun job, but super physically demanding manually offloading the big stuff. Moved up to die setter, using a huge overhead crane to swing around pickup truck sized chunks of solid steel. Hard to believe that was 20 years ago!
Used to work at a facility that had two 600 ton presses, one 500 ton, one 400 ton, and a few smaller presses. They made the shells and collars of steel pressure cylinders. Really neat to see how things we use are made.
I work at a company that employs hundreds of those machines to build their products. Whenever I get the chance to walk through our production facilities it is absolutely amazing to see the combination of high speeds, brute force and unbelievable precision
Sweet, at one time in my past I used to work on stamping dies when I worked in automation for an injection molding facility. A whole lot of interesting interactions occur on those machines besides rhythmic pounding.
Used to make Chain with these bad boys. It was EXTREMELY loud and when you got these BIG boys running at 120+ Strokes a minute, you tend to forget what an indoor voice is. I was not only responsible for placing the dies inside the press but also to fine tune some of the pieces and programming for the dies. All in all, while making a lot of pieces fast, youre biggest tell of how the Die is interacting with the steel is the sound of the machine, cause usually youre not really able to see inside and even if you could, its moving too fast and has too many pieces inside to actually keep track of everything.
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’Angry big brother of injection molding‘ is so accurate 😂
The stamping/clamping forces are monstrous. Note small injection molding machines are 20-150 ton(ish) Large are 750-3000 ton(ish) A pretty big little brother.
A midsize molding machine will turn you 2 dimensional quicker than you can say Schwarzenegger. (actual events not in theory)
I have presses of familiar variety and hammers that will send vibrations through you.Those hammers are the Angry Father of Hammers.
@@anullhandlebiggest maschine go up to 8000 metric tons
@Sevi_4738 milacron 24 foot stroke 122lb × 2 shot 420,000lb mold...that can make some interesting scrap in a hurry!
Two-handed, shrouded dead-man switch? That machine has done some serious damage in the past.
Two handed is pretty normal for anything that can just flatten whatever body part ends up in there. Running a press for days will make anyone complacent.
I'm sure if you tried hard enough you could bypass the safety switch. Will be handy for the guy that originally caused it to require two hands
or a rare example of workers going "nah im not dying to make the owner of this place a few more dollars" but either way, it is scarily rare to see safety mechanisms which havent been bypassed
@@JasonW. heard of a guy that placed hot dogs on the sensors to bypass them.
@@flaming_ace usually because the safeties slow you down a little while the boss wants you to work faster.
As the only manual machinist in a large tool and die shop, I light up like a kid on Christmas when our kind of work receives the appreciation from people I can look up to in other industries. The feeling of mutual respect and recognition between various masters of craft is truly something.
Same here
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meanwhile our leaders, well most of them, would rather you have 200K in college load debt, making powerpoint presentations for a living, while somewhere in the turd wurld, a kid is running a completely unsafe version of what you were-[splat]--wait, a new kid is running,,,
@@ameyer7825 amen makes the heart happy
as someone who has found himself in management, i try to get people who are both CNC and manual (or a mix if people who know both are not available).
CNC is generally the winner but some stuff just doesn't make sense on a CNC if you got a shaper and someone who knows how to use one.
My dad was a tool maker for years used to love listening to stories of how he’d sit and listen to a press hit and he could tell where and what wasn’t right by the sounds it made and was able to fix them using his ears and eyes only truly a master of his craft
I love how poetic you sound sometimes. Truly beautiful!
This new Carl Sagan is incredible
It's also like National geographic wilderness video, but into shorts and machines. For normal people that have to operate a machine like that is pretty annoying, sometimes stressful (here comes automatization into help), but for the ones that create the molding negative/positive for perforation and bending, it's like an intricate project, that once is done is somehow relieving. I think more complex than this has to be the molding for plastic parts, which benefits for a pretty accurate process to implement all the tech there's inside for thak kind of mold.
Was lucky to do electrical work in several tool & die shops and plants that had stamping presses. One was so large they had to cut out the roof to make room for very high machine. Something that is seldom mentioned is close tolerances cause a higher # of workers to go nuts. While working at one shop a supervisor ruined a mold after spending over a week making it. He went in the owners office and quit he was so upset. Owner called him up the next day and talked him into returning to work. One time worked 12 hours next to a giant old stamping press that the ground vibrated with every blow. After I went home felt like I was still experiencing vibrating.
I worked at a machine shop with nothing but presses. Sounds like they had one close to the size at that place. Dies came in over 40 tons and needed a forklift the size of a 2 story house to move the dies into place. Conveyer belt under the plant always needed work because the vibrations from the machines wrecked havoc on it. They had maybe 40 presses total in the place and atleast 15 of them shook the entire plant so bad you could feel it in the parking lot Infront of the plant.
Watching a series of 100ton punch press machines using progressive dies all running in sync with continuous cycle is something to watch.
Like a huge industrial sowing machine in it's rhythmic operation and the bass like thumping felt in the ground as all the dyes slam down at once.🎶🥁🎶🥁🎶🥁🎶🥁🎶🥁
I used to work/will be working in a plant that does stamping as an engineering intern. I got to play around near, not with, the “small experimental” press that they use to test dies.
It’s an 800 ton press.
For the full experience, turn up the bass until you can feel it
Rahhhh! Tool and Die makers rise up! But seriously, we're a dying breed, not enough young folks with the tism are getting into machining much less Tool & Die work.
I worked at a stamping shop a while back. It was cool using shadows to measure tolerances via optical comparators, gauges blocks, micrometers, etc. those had tolerances within 0.002”, my favorite was the spo2 sensors which had tolerances within 0.0004”. Those were measured via focal points with a 50x microscope.
We also did a lot of parts for NASA, Lockheed, and a whole lot of government departments
What part of an SPO2 was it? I can't imagine why they need such tight tolerance.
@@phillyphakename1255 they were probably making Nokias or DSi batteries
It's surprising how many mom&pop machine shops have contracts to make parts for Big Companies that end up in MilSpec and aerospace gear.
“We can't tell you what it's for so don't ask and don't tell anyone else, either.”
@graaaby what use do Nokia's and batteries have with SPO2 sensors?
I love the idea of a channel dedicated to autism friendly videos. You’re amazing for creating that!
I've never been called out so specifically and quickly. 😂 Love these videos!
"...skills evolved past engineering and into art" is such a beautiful line. Between military and private sector I've been doing electronics/communications for about 20 years and have had the pleasure of working with such individuals on occasion. Bravo sir!
Electrical discharge machining (EDM) and it's new baby brother CNC EDM has become the artist's brush of the tool and die world, cutting molds, dies and shaping tools in fractions of the time and cost of precision machining of 15 years ago.
I'm here for it. Finally getting some respect on this channel
@@Bear-cm1vl plus the crazy advancements in cutting tool tech!
My first job was in a tool shop with 7 cnc wire EDM's. I didn't run any of them, but I got to watch them all run. I was a brazer, installing the carbide inserts and guide pads into the tools before they got ground/wired to size.
They are some of the coolest machines around. Makes my cnc lathe look like a kids toy
Now we're talking. Hope you show how the punches and dies and everything else get made. Working on the wire machine's is an awesome and rewarding job
So glad you’re doing a series on this sort of stuff. My grandfather was a tool and die maker originally with Ford, but later with a few other companies before finally running the machine shop at a coal plant. I came up through the “little brother” in medical plastics, although not as a tool and die maker. I’m in automation/mechatronics and maintenance. I’ve since moved on from the plastics industry and work in utility level battery storage, but I really really loved my time in injection molded plastics. It was a pretty well rounded experience between electrical, mechanical, engineering, and programming and had the opportunity to get my greasy paws into all sorts of cool projects and trials. These days I mostly just reset estops and run the recovery file on some six axis Fanucs. 🤣
I've run mechanical brakes and shears, nothing that big, but they can get pretty dangerous. On one press a coworker tried to run it, and set up the height wrong. Then instead of inching it down to make sure it was right, he slammed it down at full speed. When the punch bottomed out in the die, it split the front edge off with enough force that it broke his hand and dented the wall next to my bench.
I was the only one allowed to operate it after that.
Praise the Omnissiah! The Machine Spirit is strong in this one.
Mad respect for helping up other neuro-divergent scientists
Due to working in automotive collision repair and being around the individual stamped pieces all day i would love to see some stamping from a car plant. They will stamp entire unisides from a single peice of steel, but sometimes aluminum. Id also like to scream at whoever decides to not swap out the dies because over time those dies will wear out snd you end up with replacement parts that do not fit correctly.
I get chubbies watching her come down with such precision and grace
You know something cool that I really want to see? An EDC channel!! I can't wait to support the second channel:)
I work in this industry. Angry Big Brother is the best description I have ever heard. Love it.
I love seeing tool and die stamping at work, a very fascinating crafts with very fascinating skills behind it!
Thats what i do for a living but scaled up quite a bit. I run a 5000 ton transfer press. Once you start exceeding 2000 tons per stroke, thats were the fun is....and most everyone goes deaf.
@@neetzduts how big a part can you press with that?
@jamesrivettcarnac one of the dies I run is a Caterpillar part, and currently my biggest die. The coils of steel alone are 32 tons, 72in wide and 3.2mm thick. Part come out almost 70in wide and is nothing more than a mostly flat plate with trapezoidal holes punched in it weighing almost 75 pounds a piece.
A am in a place with a previous CAT electrical engineer who is at the top of his game and his brother running a tool and die shop equally incredibly talented at his craft. Just got a Robot running with an UNMATCHED Miller welder. This Fanig robot is mated with Lincoln welder originally. The engineer was able to bypass digital switching and get analog working good enough to automate a process for his brother. Fanig is requesting now that he "SHARE" that knowledge!
@timbrown9305
Never share...Have a NANO TIGHT contract that keeps on giving to you ...
I got to work with diesel like that for a couple years. Giant flywheel presses and hydraulic presses. It was only a few years ago but the tool and die makers have not been replaced for decades now and the supply seems to be running low. Maybe their all on the east coast .
Theres a lot of em out here in Michigan at least. We have quite a few Ford and GM stamping plants, and they employ a lot of Tool & Die people.
I grew up in a small town in Ontario Canada that had bunch of factories that used stamping presses and had some of the best tool and die shops in the world. I might have ended up running one of these, but then China started going full bore when I was in high school in the 90s and all the factories shut down in a few short years. I believe there is still a couple tool and die shops left but it's just a shadow of what it once was.
I used to work on a Hydraulic Fin Press in a major factory here in the US. I started as a Machine Operator but quickly got tapped to be a Die Setter for it and the various other die machines throughout the factory.
To this day, one of the best jobs I ever had as far as allowing me to use my natural "knack" for tinkering...until the day I broke my back from some dumbass new operator bypassing the machines lockout-tagout by removing my Supervisor key from the machine panel. He was running a few minutes late, was on his final warning for it, and "just wanted to hurry up and get the machine running" in hopes that the supervisor wouldn't notice he was late yet. He didn't understand why the machine didn't start, was panicking, and yanked the key when he saw it was inserted and turned to "manual override" because again he was panicking and didn't understand.
He also didn't see that I was halfway inside the guts of the machine with my partner on the other side. I am alive and also still able to walk today only because my partner immediately saw what was happening and SPRINTED to hit the emergency stop at the last possible second.
Holy shit. I hope the safety tag out process was improved to prevent a manual override, terribly sorry for what happened to you.
At my fathers place of business they were doing 'routine emergency' machine maintenance (unplanned troubleshooting) WITHOUT properly tagging out the section the person was working on. His partner (supposed to stay with him) left him to go troubleshoot elsewhere and well. There's a reason everyone on that team was retrained or fired.
My dad works with a guy who got his arm stuck in one. They stopped the process, but the press needed to finish the cycle before it came back up. The operator refused to finish the cycle, so the guy who was stuck demanded that they bring the pedal over so he could do it himself.
@@Ahsad-Afghan Every press I have personally worked on (quite a few) has the ability to "reverse" at least in a step by step manner, just in case. That is what saved me from being stuck in there for several hours waiting for the machine to be taken apart.
In all honesty, I dont blame the operator for not wanting to finish the cycle. That is a major ask of someone who didnt sign up for those sorts of decisions. That is a crisis of morals, conscious, and possible legal/financial trouble on top of it possibly years after the incident.
It's hard to understand what you're saying but hearing you talk makes my brain go YEAHHHHHH
I’ve worked in a few stamping plants for Toyota. When they are making parts the whole plant knows. ❤
When the big press was running it used to make engine covers for catapiller the buildings across the road would vibrate, it eventually cracked the building.
Holy shit, i never thought you'd cover stamping/shear/form press work. Happy to see a bit of what i do show up here and getting some love it so desperately deserves!
I can sit and watch this type of machine for hours! Each tamp on the metal creates artwork! The people who develop the set-ups so that each beat of this metal heart pumps out exact pieces are to be admired. They truly are artists. We need more of them.
Man your content is excellent! Authenticity and technical knowledge!
My first factory job was at a place that made grills (for cook outs) and I ended up working in fabrication setting the dies for these presses. We had a Niagara 400 or larger ton press similar to the one you show here as well as about 10 other similarly sized presses all in a row packaged together so tightly that it made me a wizard on the forklift setting and pulling the dies.
Our Niagara was so close to its neighboring presses that when you would set and pull dies, the ass end of the forklift would be hitting the bed of the neighboring press. One die was so large that it took up nearly every square in of that Niagara’s press bed and so heavy that even with our larger forklift, it had to be set in two separate pieces. There was only one path to victory when setting a die that size in that tight of space, and you had to be at least a savant with the lift to get that top half of the die into place in such tight quarters and then lower it ever so gingerly onto the bottom section so that you didn’t break any part of the die.
The press room was adjacent to a large room with a 10 ton I-beam crane that we called the “steel bay”. This long bay with its high ceiling was filled end to end with rolls of steel starting from 6in wide all the way up to 42in wide. We as “set- up technicians” would handle the steel, load it onto the de- coilers, and feed it through the rollers where the ‘curl’ would be set to flatten out the steel so that it would run flat through the machine and die. For some parts with large, flat panels, which would become the cabinet doors of the grill, we would need to set the die in a very specific location on the bed so that the roller mark left on certain types of steel wouldn’t show up in the middle of the parts but rather close to the cut- off.
We had about 110 different dies of all shapes and sizes. One other guy and myself were responsible for setting up all of the machines for our shift. A busy day for us would be around 6 change- overs on the big machines.
I worked there for a little over 2 years and made about $12 and hour by the time I left. I was still considered a temp worker.
Tool and die maker with Asperger’s here. Your Chanel is awesome
I work in factories servicing equipment like this, and it tickles my plums seeing Chris cover stamping machines finally! 😂
I’m in my last year of mechanical engineering, I could take a class on tool and die next semester, but I’m not sure yet
My grandfather was a die maker at Ford about 30 years ago now. He would often talk about how we loved his job and more than that the folks he worked with. I may work in a different field, but he's given me more useful electrical knowledge than any JW I've worked for.
Very cool to see you feature this, my grandfather has been a tool and die maker since high school, 66 years using nothing but manual mills and lathes, it truly is a lost art.
currently work in the maintenance department of a forge shop, similar to what you're seeing here but much more violent. these machines are just so cool to watch run.
Hell yeah!! My dad was a machine tool maker!!
Welcome to my world....25 years....I had 28 Tool & Die Makers, 4 Draftsmen, 2 Heat Treaters....Everyday was an exciting challenge...Loved! it
I went through a Chrysler plant about 30 years ago and was amazed at all the robotics robots and stamping machines. It was fantastic. Very few people working there in the section that I was in thank you
You always have such a way with words lol it's amazing and I love it.
Where it gets weird is plastic injection molding. The mold is not just made to the reverse of the desired part; it must be built to allow for shrinkage of the part as the heat from molding tightens up the long-chain polymers. Don't forget about glycol coolant lines in the mold! If you hook them up with the wrong flow, the part cools improperly and ends up the wrong shape.
That's where art plus science equals wizardry, and that's pretty cool.
As a young engineer, I have never and will never fathom the brains that build complex press dies. Incredible stuff.
My grandfather was a blanker operator for Ford I remember going on the tour every year and getting to see him on the job. That press was bigger than a house and absolutely shook the floor! He's very proud of his career and all the F150 cab backs he stamped out.
As someone who used to work in a press shop, I love seeing these things get some love. A good portion of our machines were old enough to be eligible for social security but they still pounded away regardless.
Also, nothing makes heads turn and supervisors run quite like the sound of a progressive die jamming and crashing the press. So supervisors, make sure your guys are well trained before you leave them by themselves. 😆
As an apprentice Tool and Die maker I am hype
Its crazy seeing people be fascinated by these, when I started working on them when i was 18. Mechanical/electrical side, not the die. I'm no toolmaker. 400 ton rated presses that shook the concrete on every hit. Just seemed so normal after awhile of hearing the thumps. Felt like yesterday getting on top of them with a cherry picker to inspect the tops of the connecting rods that were the size of a car.
Left for the air force, now being 21, but damn do I miss those marvels of engineering.
Great video! I work as a control design engineer for a manufacturer of press safety control systems. It’s been great to see some of these in the field!
I appreciate this little short since i grew up in a tool and die shop. My dad owned one for for over 30 years until he recently sold it (still stayed on as foreman tho). I still love going down and helping him out with stuff even tho being a machinist wasnt my calling.
I work at mercedes benz germany as a service electrican ( googel Presswerk Bremen)
We have 2 "press hall's" with around 150 presses combined
The mold's weigh around 22 .
The sounds and vibration shake the hole building but it is fazinating to watch steal coils go in and a car dore com out arund 100m later
I used to work at a fineblanking facility in their die shop. It’s amazing to see the complex shapes with perfect 100% shear all around on a part that is half an inch thick. Die timing is a really awesome art as well.
Smarter Every Day also has a fantastic video on these machines!
My dad's a tool and dye maker, the level of detail and creativity that man has is mind-blowing
The ingenuity it takes not to just make 1 die, but multiple that in the end form a precision metal part is amazing.
We've got a 630 ton servo press, and it's easy to just stand and watch it.
I work Maintenance at a metal stamping plant, love it and it’s a huge change from injection molding
I worked for a certain refrigerator company for a co-op and one of my favorite machines was this one. It was super cool to see the different steps of the part being stamped out hit by hit into a finished part. It makes for a very fast high output machine for products that require many thousands of the same part each day
I run and maintain these! Awesome! I currently main the two-track dies and they run around 700 strokes/min. Pretty sweet for a glorified hammer!
I was trained as a tool and die maker and loved my time in it. I went into it because I wanted to learn my craft to the best. And here in Wisconsin we got some of the best and hardest program. There is even a award program when I was in it that the tool and die maker association called surgeons of steel awarded by the teachers to there best student and I got one and it was a Kennedy box. Sadly I left the feild to work in the feild for personal reasons but I went into feild machining and it's just as hard. Now I refurbish the embed parts of hydro stations of all size, steel mills, and pretty much anything.
I was a remanufacturer mechanic/welder at minster machine for a while coolest machines I learned so much there. DAC 300 baby power house of long stoke punch presses!!!!!!
As a technician in injection molding I say the " big brother statement is accurate". I love this channel
yup guns made from stamping like the STG 44 are still up to snuff almost a 100 years later. giant machines making tiny detailed steel parts. its AMAZING❤
There are days that I miss machining, but I would have to leave the area that I love and call home to find any real machining jobs. It really is an art form
As a tool and die guy we don't get much time in the spotlight but thank you for adding this!
I sure thoroughly enjoy you.
I wish I could take y'all into the chemical world. It's fun and fascinating
I worked in so many press shops. It turns into torture when 200 machines are going bang bang bang all day with oil mist in the air. Even with ear plugs your head rings all night.
Literal metal concert
Hey sir. Im getting ready for my asvab test for the army, im a commercial pilot for work and have done 4 years of marine outboard mechanics. But I still dont understand electricity as much as I wish I would. If you could do a series on the basics that would be awsome.
You're gonna do FINE on your ASVAB. And the new series is ALREADY STARTING! It's on my other channel and it's EXACTLY what you're asking for. th-cam.com/video/3G9jjOs1M20/w-d-xo.html
Working these channels like a man with a spreadsheet and a mission from God 😎
Brings back memories. Used to run a bunch of different kinds of presses.
Used to work for a manufacturing company and watching the various presses was always fascinating
Changing the clutch was exciting.
So Wise , thank You
Glad some people are kicking their chops over this. Just starting to work on these types of presses, and I cringe when I get calls to them. We have several old Niagara presses. Dirty as hell and all the control systems are older than dirt and about 20 years overdue for an upgrade. We do have a brand new 700 ton servo press we just installed but they haven’t commissioned it yet for production.
Man, you really need to do some unpacking, reviews, etc of electric vehicles. Tesla has some fascinating engineering advances.
I used to be a tool setter for those presses and injection molding presses. Probably one of my favorite jobs I’ve had. And that’s pretty cool 😊
God damn it, now that song is stuck in my head!
Thanks, Chris.
This is beautiful
I use to work at a machine shop with a ton of presses. The largest press had dies that came in around 40 tons. The forklift used to that pressed dies was an old dockyard container forklift with forks mounted to it. Operator sat about 20 feet in the air and the wheels were well over 12 ft tall in the front not much taller then me on the back putting them around 7ft or so. It had stairs at the rear to go up to the cockpit. Osha didn't require it to have any of those fancy blue lights and other things you now see on lift vehicles due to the entire section being shut down and barricaded when it does move.
The amount of "figuring things out" for tool clearances, deformation, springback (does this even apply?), and more is crazy. As a machinist, don't think I could hack it as a sheetmetal mechanic 😁
a whole manufacturing line of 20-30 steps in a single machine, truly incredible
I ran transfer presses right out of high school for about 3 years at a Toyotetsu plant in southern Kentucky. Everything from little coil fed ones that made tiny brackets to give blank fed ones that turned out control arms and structural sheet metal parts of cars. Fun job, but super physically demanding manually offloading the big stuff. Moved up to die setter, using a huge overhead crane to swing around pickup truck sized chunks of solid steel. Hard to believe that was 20 years ago!
Smarter Every Day did a video on presses last year, highly recommend
Come for the videos about machines or tech, end up paying more attention the the captions because the commentary is its own entertainment in itself 😂
Massive machines are so cool!
Keep up the 'tistic geekfest my dude, this is great.
I used to be a toolmaker, I built multi stage stamping die and roll former and welding, assembly and quality control jigs.
Used to work at a facility that had two 600 ton presses, one 500 ton, one 400 ton, and a few smaller presses. They made the shells and collars of steel pressure cylinders. Really neat to see how things we use are made.
We just have trust issues. Please continue to be yourself and always explain the world to us though your eyes.
I work at a company that employs hundreds of those machines to build their products. Whenever I get the chance to walk through our production facilities it is absolutely amazing to see the combination of high speeds, brute force and unbelievable precision
Sweet, at one time in my past I used to work on stamping dies when I worked in automation for an injection molding facility. A whole lot of interesting interactions occur on those machines besides rhythmic pounding.
Used to make Chain with these bad boys. It was EXTREMELY loud and when you got these BIG boys running at 120+ Strokes a minute, you tend to forget what an indoor voice is.
I was not only responsible for placing the dies inside the press but also to fine tune some of the pieces and programming for the dies. All in all, while making a lot of pieces fast, youre biggest tell of how the Die is interacting with the steel is the sound of the machine, cause usually youre not really able to see inside and even if you could, its moving too fast and has too many pieces inside to actually keep track of everything.
Every F N time I chuckle...well done
Mold and die really does take engineering to an art.
I worked with some old dudes at my last job in tier one automotive... they worked 6 axis CNC and were def gods
Destin did a video on this topic - mind blowing.