Elden Ring: The Problem With Spirit Ashes
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- Another video on Elden Ring. It's about my thoughts on Spirit Ashes and their inclusion within Elden Ring, and how they change boss design as a whole compared to previous entries. Watch till the end! Hope you enjoy.
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Bosses sometimes are way too easy with them and borderline broken without them.
Pretty much this exactly.
@@thatguybis1997 It’s like they made the bosses super aggressive to account for possible summons but when you try to solo them they feel unfair and bs.
@@BBQcheese I don’t know what it is about this game. I’ve played every other game and bosses almost always felt challenging while still engaging and fun. Except for some bad ones here and there. Elden Ring to me seems like they increased the challenge but forgot to add the fun and engagement. It’s just hard in an annoying way. Especially solo melee play. But everyone is different I guess.
@@zachtaylor5312 yeah, pretty much. Except Godskin duo. Fuck Godskin duo.
But apparently some people still live in denial that this is the case - there is no way in hell they balanced late game bosses for solo. No other souls game had so much BS with bosses, and I've played every single one + also Nioh, Nioh 2, Code Vein. Now speaking of Code Vein - it's the only game that does companions right - it doesn't ruin challenge, they're tied into the story, you can interact with your companions, you can play solo if you have balls ofc, but even with companions - the challenge in that game is very solid - plus they're very cool.
For the majority of the game, the difficulty is balanced enough that you never really need to use spirit ashes for any encounter, and you end up being too powerful for a lot of the fights regardless as it's not hard to overperform since this is an open world. Later though the difficulty jumps up so high, that you're doing yourself a disservice by not summoning spirits, because even at 50 vigour bosses start doing ungodly amounts of damage and their HP is turned up to 11, that soloing them isn't fun or challenging, but boring and unfair.
Right. When I say aggressive bosses I mainly mean the ones post-Morgott.
@@thatguybis1997 Yeah, post-Margott are horrible experiences. The sad thing is Elden Ring isn't the first game to do this. This issue started subtly creeping in from Dark Souls 3 bosses, where they were fairly balanced in the main game, but when the DLCs were released, Elfriede, Midir, the Demon Prince and to some extent Gael had insane damage output and bloated HP bars. Wasn't as bad as they made it in ER, but it was a fear I had all 5 years ago that they would keep this philosophy for future instalments.
@Quik reviews u must suck ass if u think the game is to hard without summons
From my experience the answer to any aggressive boss is being aggressive back like you're the boss, when I started getting more aggressive bosses like hoarah loux maliketh (which I think is very misunderstood btw) and even malenia felt more natural I'd say and not as overtuned as I orginally thought which got me thinking, maybe this is the intended experience and we were playing the game wrong? Fromsoft is surely more into this playstyle ever since bloodborne
I don't like using spirit ashes against the main bosses for that reason but they're useful to clear the trash mobs and reused bosses but I agree some of them are too strong
Thats exactly how i felt. I used to hate fighting maliketh and godfrey. After learning to be more agressive and use the tools given to me like poise breaking and switching ash of wars damage, Maliketh is now my favorite fight in the game.
I remember when I got around to fighting Malenia, I was going to try and do it solo, being fully aware of the bullshit Waterfowl dance. I managed to beat phase 1 solo, but I kept dying to phase 2... Eventually, I just caved and decided to use the Mimic Tear and instantly beat her.
It's very frustrating that the lategame bosses in Elden Ring demand the use of such tools to beat them and sets a dangerous precedent for bosses in future games, speaking as someone who wasn't a big fan of DS3's boss design to begin with...
Tf u mean demand the game doesn’t demand u to do anything. You probably spent 30 minutes on the boss and as u said caved in u must seriously lack skill and brains if u cant beat Melania without summons. “Bullshit waterfowl” just dodge it u scrub it ain’t that hard like honestly u noobs are so dramatic.
My 2 cents - There's so many ashes, people can try out like A and B tier ashes. Everyone runs in with a maxed out mimic tear or tiche and then is upset that it's powerful. Take my boy Engvall for a spin, or one of the soldier groups. They'll help ease some of the later boss aggro without outright murdering them. I just fought the golden Godfrey yesterday (NG+) and used the Radahn soldiers. They got his attention a few times but they barely hurt him, that was all me. Then for Morgott I summoned the Jellyfish lol. It is tanky and harrasses enemies but no one is complaining that jelly solos bosses.
So Elden Ring introduces spirit summons and encourages players to use them to the point that there are 64 summons. Yet you pluck the strongest ones and use them has a basis for all of them. Thats the same has using the Rivers of blood Katana and saying that Elden rings weapons deal too much damage. You can't grab the objectivley strongest tools and use them as a metric for the rest of the game.
They finally nerfed rivers of blood, it was obviously too OP. And BSH.
I'm ok with some weapons being better, but not this OP
Bosses being weak to bleed or poison or whatever... I don't even think that's particularly valuable. Why? Well, tell me... how do you know that? Is there any sort of clever tell for it incorporated into the boss design? Were you then able to adapt your tactics on the fly, playing smartly as you went? _No and no,_ because there's generally nothing to intuit what anything has a weakness to, and because such status and elemental things are tied to the build you make before actually entering the fight.
I get the feeling they included spirit ashes just so they could make bosses more aggressive. Unlike summons in previous souls games they are not just an option, they are borderline a necessity
Good to see ya back Quik
I neva left!
@@thatguybis1997 I just mean to Elden Ring. I've been counting the minutes for your next vid
I personally don't think ashes are the problem. It's more like there's a few that are the problem, like tiche and mimic tear because they are flat out broken
Well I'm a guy that started playing Nioh and Nioh 2 then I decided to play FS games I started with demons souls remake then BB and sekiro. My take is that the more options (builds, weapons, ashes of war or weapon skills and spirit ashes) the game gives you the better as it feels like the game rewards you for the hours you put it in. What I did in ER is fight the boss solo and try to beat them and only use ashes if its a duo or if I struggle alot against a certain boss. Except for malenia I had to beat her on my own as a challenge and I managed to do that after so many deaths. Overall I feel the more options the game gives the better it is for the players as any player can play with self imposed rules that would make it more challenging and I think that's a thing for souls games as I see many people go on speedruns or level 1 runs.
Thanks for the video!!
I think, if anyone harbors doubts that these affect game design, then we can look towards an area in another game with a similar mechanic in mind: DS2.
DS2's not a game I've played so this is stuff I've had relayed to me, but the infamous "co-op areas" speak for themselves. There's also that one boss, whose name I'm forgetting, whose main gimmick is "summoning," for lack of a better term, NPC help you can find around the map (who also stops hostile NPCs from spawning later on).
In both cases, if you reject the help that the area's designed around, you're subjected to borderline unfair and unfun gank fights. It cannot be understated that the design philosophy of having multiple players is significantly different than just having one. Sekiro is a standout example of a solely single player title (it didn't even have messages at launch iirc), and it's praised by many (myself included) as the best work From has put out.
I don't think it's a coincidence that ER is so contested in that souls players either love or hate it, while Sekiro is either loved by its' fans or is viewed apathetically from its' opposition.
Great video! I hope FromSoft continues to balance out the bosses and spirit ashes. I really like them, it's a great addition to the game but I do think they could tone them down some more.
Thanks for watching!
And yeah, I think they have their place in their own weird way. Partly, I'm sure I feel this way because I've been playing since Demon's Souls.
no they are already toned down smh
Ashes are completely optional and if you would like more of a challenge dont use them. Also none of the bosses are balanced around summons thats what aids them powerful
The steam achievemnt for beating the game is not 18%. That's how many peope got that ending. More people actually got the Ranni ending than that one.
Yeah, this is how I feel about Spirit ashes. I'm still on my first playthrough with 200+ hours in. Currently stuck on Malenia with over 200 to 300 deaths counts. I am clearly not under-leveled. If I can't beat her myself, I'll never be able to beat her in NG+.
Getting close!
When I stared the game they where good for helping me learn the bosses attacks being little meat shields they did not beat bosses for me but late game I started getting frustrated at the boss design so I upgraded them then they became way to powerful they where better at fighting the boss then I was I felt like I was being babysitting by them.
This sentiment that Elden Ring makes you rely on spirit ashes only applies with duo bosses which admittedly suck. Otherwise I can't name a single boss which feels like it was balanced with spirit ashes in mind and cannot be managed PROPERLY with your own given gameplay options.
No openings you say? Maliketh's entire ass is open the entire fight.
Bosses don't stop combos? Hit between attack not between combos. Even Greatswords/hammers/axes are fast enough to do so.
Bosses do area wide attacks? POSITIONING. Hug Mohg to avoid his flaming piss and hug maliketh's fat booty to avoid the judgement cut.
At this point it just feels like half are simply playing the game with the wrong mindset and are simply pointing at something else to avoid re-evaluating their approach.
I do agree that the spirit ashes are not well implemented but the idea that Elden Ring bosses are build around it is straight up wrong imho.
I can think of several bosses that I feel can't be managed properly with only your own gameplay options.
His entire ass? I'm not really sure what you mean here, being completely honest lol.
Hitting between attacks sounds like a surefire way to get punished, I have no idea where you got that from.
I can somewhat agree with the positioning call though, but sometimes you get hit and need to back off to heal, and if you do that, you're straight up dead.
Bosses do feel built around them. Hence why my video about the end-game bosses within Elden Ring are filled with people exclaiming "why didn't you use Spirit Ashes!?" This is basically my answer to that question.
@@thatguybis1997
"Hitting between attacks sounds like a surefire way to get punished, I have no idea where you got that from."
Morgott. Most of his usual attacks had enough time between them with my knight's gs.
Godfrey as well.
Mohg even more since he is slow as shit.
Rykard you will probably know since he is your favorite.
"I can somewhat agree with the positioning call though, but sometimes you get hit and need to back off to heal, and if you do that, you're straight up dead." Try to do it behind the bosses. Or make enough distance where you are sure that even if the boss input reads you can avoid it. Healing near the boss is a bad idea but then again mohg and Maliketh are usually generous with them not really attacking the players while positioned behind them.
"His entire ass? I'm not really sure what you mean here, being completely honest lol."
Absolutely no attack in his entire aresenal reaches his back. And luckily most actually push the player towards his furry butt. For example, judgement cut doesn't reach you if you manage to get to his back. This is way safer than trying to run away. In fact running away in that entire fight is a terrible idea since his range and closing speed is a lot and his back is a literal free damage zone.
"Bosses do feel built around them. Hence why my video about the end-game bosses within Elden Ring are filled with people exclaiming "why didn't you use Spirit Ashes!?" This is basically my answer to that question."
Ignore those comments. They won't be of any help. That's like asking someone to euthanize themselves after losing eyesight instead of helping them adapt with the new circumstances. And tbph, I don't think that they are built around them. Influenced? Maybe. But at least I don't notice anything aside from the suck-ass duo bosses. Even the large aoes can be avoided with positioning or in a lot of cases, simply jumping. And the increased aggression imo is just an influence from Sekiro. The constant keeping pressure on the boss and staying close to them at all times also feels more sekiro than anything else. While the game's combat admittedly isn't as good as sekiro's, Elden Ring still follows some basic principles set by sekiro. I usually find using things I've learnt from all the previous souls games and applying them at full force at the bosses being the most effective.
DeS-Ds2's influence of positioning and spacial awareness.
BB's being as aggressive and not staying idle for a single moment.
Ds3's roll timing
Sekiro's keeping pressure and using most of the boss's moves to inflict some form of damage.
Granted the sekiro part isn't as fleshed out but it is present. Also all of them have to work in connundrum. You can't just rely on either positioning or roll timing to win: you have to use both.
This is way more fun than spirits and also the most viable as well. Make a good duo boss in the dlc tho pls Michael Zaki.
Anyways this is an end to my long comment. G'day to ya.
I beat Demon's Souls as a Royal and sensed a lot of accomplishment. Now I'm playing Elden Ring as an astrologer with Spirit Ashes, and enjoying a great deal. I am 36, with a daily job, there is not time to "get gud" playing naked with just a melee weapon to prove a point.
Oh no!! Devs added mechanics to be used??!!! 😱 how could they!!
🌸😹It would be a trigger point for any seeking a legitimate experience and I find myself one hundred percent in agreement with your take here😹🌸
This was my number one issue with Elden Ring. The majority of my boss hits ended up being stabbing them in the back whilst they were trying to get my spirit ashes. I play fromsoftwares games to feel like a boss, not Wormtongue.
Just dont use spirit ashes than, i dont
@@majorandras7474 yeah i get that. But its lame having to put your own limitations on a game to make it enjoyable.
@@TomHinkley Yeah, but we did the same since demon souls, not using npcs or summons was your only option in every game except sekiro
@@majorandras7474 Again I get what youre saying. I never used summons or NPC's in the others. But I dunno, to me those moments were few and far in-between. Where in Elden Ring it feels a lot more ingrained in the mechanics and a lot of the rewards for exploration are summons related. I started a second play-through without summons which was definitely more enjoyable, but yeah it's clearly a me issue. But to be honest, Elden Ring missed the mark for me quite a bit. I'm an anomaly though, everyone seems to love it.
Everyone talk about the mimic and tiche but no in the dung eater, nepheli or the cristalian
I’ve never played Dark Souls but using spirit ashes I was walking through many of the late game bosses on my first attempt. That’s not good.
I am one of the sweaty ubervirgins who completed elden ring 100% (on stream, no way i could have sat through this by myself lol) and even with the ashes, i got stomped by most bosses to the point where it just felt like pure luck when i finally killed them. I had almost zero satisfaction the whole game, and after every fight, i was just happy it was over and that i never had to go through that again. As you can imagine i havent touched new game plus and not sure when i will 🤣
I love when nerds tell me how I "should" enjoy a game. If MY idea of fun is running around in my undies, hitting enemies once, then run away giggling like a schoolgirl, how does thar affect anybody else? And before the fanboys wet their beds......I played Sekiro up to NG+21.....and stopped playing elden ring on NG+7. Sekiro was hard......elden ring is poorly made, yet entertaining. It's only a "great accomplishment" to finish a game if one has a very small ego. I've been a gamer for over 40 years. Here's some free advice......GET OVER URSELVES, NERDS. Let ppl play how they wana. Ur no better that anyone else cause u found the holy rune of the cucumber queen.
This one right here
yea fcking limit yourselves to feel challenging but not have the skill to back it up so cry instead of improve so much ego lmao. if you want no spirit that cool but don't cry when it hard, the spirit don't make the game easy it make them balance bc elden ring is not ds. You would know that most boss will wipe spirit before the hp even haft too.
@@AgentYellowWang try dungeater. Tankiest mf
The first playthrough was hard for me the other 2 times was a cakewalk.
People get my at ashes cause it makes the game easy but have no problem with a mage user who runs around and blasts high level sorcery for the entire game
Man hasn't had one video talking about the good sides of the game. It's always "I love the game but"
If you don't like it it, you should be upfront about it, not saying "while I do like the game, but"
If you don't like Spirit Ashes, don't use them. My first playthrough, my Mimic Tear and I were best friends. Went everywhere together, we beat every boss together.
My second playthrough, I soloed the whole game, including Malenia, Mohg, and Radagon.
Both are valid ways to play the game.
a) Without them, the game has a lot of bullcrap design. With them, it becomes too easy. There's only two extremes with no middle ground that would strike a good balance like (most of) the previous games did.
b) If it's part of the design, part of the game, then "just don't use it" isn't an excuse. It's not my job to "fix" the game for the devs, it's their job to design the game so it will be intuitively played in the most enjoyable way.
I disagree. Simply because most bosses in this game were designed with BS moves to punish not just the player, but the spirit ashes too
Idk, I don't disagree, but I'm enjoying playing with the shitty skeletons that take some of the agro off me for a bit. They certainly don't do ANY dmg as I have never upgraded them, but the skeletal respawn allows them to be repeatable meat shield while I dart in and out so I don't feel like the entire boss fight is, dodge dodge dodge dodge hit, dodge dodge hit.
Def the ones that play the game themselves are a pass.
so why didn't you use some of the less powerful mid tier summons if the strong ashes are too good or whatever. Does using a +10 somber weapon early steal away from your enjoyment of the game? don't upgrade to +10 then. the game doesn't force you to go out of your way to pick up powerful summons. very few are obtained by just meandering around, and most don't survive five seconds against end game bosses either. I literally have no words for how you could possibly come up with this take unless you looked up "most broken summons" and then only used those. Try a playthrough with just the wolves or the jellyfish. please, for the love of god.
I prefer to not use them. My first playthrough was difficult going mele only. And I used a mimic tear on placidusax and wish I hadn't. It was too easy.
elden ring is my 1st from soft game and i love it and want to play other from soft games after, I think spirit ashes were put in the game specifically for new players, i try to beat bosses without them first but if the boss is bs i will use them, for instance Mohg his lifesteal is complete bs. Most bosses are balanced in my opinion but the duo battles are complete garbage, and the only way you can beat them is with ashes.
TLDR: ahes should be used for bs bosses only, if possible (godskin duo)
You could not use them?
I have waited next to a summon area for 15 minutes without seeing a player summon at what point do you say fuck it and just use ashes
I'm using the wrong spirits.
The bosses always kill them and I never have enough magic to summon the most powerful spirits....I can fix that by grinding but...
I guess this is a me problem because I just can't do it.
Yeah the FP can be a bit of a problem.
On a complete surface level without watching the video dark souls as a whole or the soul series as a whole to be more accurate has a problem with how their bosses work in relation to multiple entities as they're trying to fight if there are multiple players it's always easier and spirits abuse quite easy and without having to get a friend to join in,
Personally I feel like there should have been more variance for the spirits like there should have been tank spirits but with how they have it balanced almost every spirit is a tank Spirit except what black knife? Every good Spirit has a boatload of HP at max level they may not do a lot of damage unless you're using mimic tear(or Black knife) and some status building build but they can take a lot of hits so it allows you to do a lot of damage by abusing the fact that bosses really hate facing multiple people it's not really easy to do in the first place because if you make a spirit do too much damage then people are just going to find a way to make it kill all the bosses for them or you make everything tanky and you allow the player to win with a distraction,
I know it's a lot more work but I really wish your bosses had extra moves in their moveset to deal with multiple people especially if you're facing a true warrior boss or an predatory animal of some kind because it doesn't make sense that a legendary warrior that hasn't lost their mind would only focus on one person when they're fighting upwards of six people depending on the summon.... It just extraneuates a problem in their boss design like they have never went the extra mile to make a boss capable of handling multiple people in a fun way with new moves and interactions but not a lot of game companies do that in the first place,,
Personally I have no problem with the system it is a noob crutch because you can get a good summon however early in the game you want just with a quick guide which a lot of people play games with guides and then they can make your fights easier it just it is very hard to balance around which has always been their problem since they started in the first place multiple people always break fights
I had a thought that came to mind as soon as I saw Malenia I really wish they had a system to tone down input reading when you did not have a spirit summon or another player with you because split aggro really helps at the endgame but then you could have the system to turn it up because with her in particular and you can judge the range pretty well and especially by the time you get there you should have all the health potions you need and if you're over level like I was it's not super difficult but you get caught a lot because you heal and she instantly does a lunge or she instantly does a combo it's just difficult,
I never used Finley kind of forgot and also by the time I got her I was basically hollow talking about how good she is 😂
New players use them, but you really shouldn't. Just play the game without all the bs
Work smarter not harder
The problem is only one is worth using and the rest use fp.
Just get good. I'm chasing last ending for that sweet Sweet Platinum
Not every spirit ash is on the level of mimic tear, like everything in this game, some are better than others. If the top tier ones are too good, use a weaker one. Spirit ashes range from a scale of "waste of FP" to "Im a pokemon trainer now" so find the balance that suits you. Whats the point of outright ignoring a game mechanic and complaining that the game expects you to use it? It feels like saying "Demon's Souls didnt have poise, so I refuse to upgrade it here. Back in the day i couldnt just power through attacks with a one handed weapon"
Spot on. Spirit Ashes almost ruined this game for me. I think Dark Souls 1 & 3 better games, largely because of this one factor.
I agree with you except, I don't like online play, so summoning multiplayer isn't happening.
Spirit ashes are fun asf
Its also fun watching someone else play the game on youtube by that logic
@@majorandras7474 Nahh I love going into a boss fight with two soldiers of Godrick and having a good fight yk
@@SnoppleWopple i dont, ashes taking the agro while hitting the boss in the back doesnt seem fun
@@majorandras7474 everyone has different play styles. It’s not ruining anyone else’s experience what you do in your single player game so it’s fine
Previous video complaints boss too hard now with mimic on boss too easy... WHAT DON THOU WANT BRO?
I'm in complete agreement, the bosses are designed around spirit ashes and honestly it sucks.
This might be the best video explaining the issue with spirit ashes.
Elden Ring has been out for a long time by now. There are many things I don’t agree with first playtrough opinions now.
I refuse to use ashes, but not because I want to challenge myself.
I like to fight with Melee, and having an Ash messes with your dodge/dancing fights. Ashes make it hard to perfect a boss with melee… so in truth they are and Agro taker for Magicians to cast their strongest spells with long cast times.
And now my main point, NG+7, ASHES ARE USELESS!
Please, tell me how long you Black knife Tich lasted when she ate a Slam of Placidusax when the lord flew away. How many ground destructions of Hoarah Loux can any of the ashes survive? Did the Greatshield Squad survive the opening attack of the Elden Beast?
Ashes suck, and any no Death NG+7 player knows that the game is about you dancing against the boss. And the boss aren’t as bad/aggressive as people claim. They do linger on the edge of too fast, but they can still be fought beautifully with the player’s kit.
And to end the point about Ash survivability, I know and it’s basically the meta to use humanoid/NPC ashes like Dung Eater, Nepheli and Mimic. Purely because said attack I mentioned that delete the other ashes, for NPC ashes they will be knocked back rather than stunned/stance broken. So their survivability is longer… they take 2-3 hits instead of 1!
It's sad that new players won't get the true Souls experience because of summons. It's just too comfy to push the skip boss button whenever you feel like it
this game bosses are just boring I miss how the nameless king pontif Sullivan etc were really good fights with no BS and actually very good fights on ng+ when u understand them but this game meh I won't play it again when I finish it I still got like 3 bosses left and bosses I defeated just because of luck and the mimic not dying and me spamming their back because it's impossible to fight 1 on 1 because of the 30 hit combos
Pancakes instead of waffles???
Come oooooon. Pancakes are king!
My man you are just bad if you are complaining about recovery, either dont use strenght weapons if you are too impatient to wait for your attack window, either use something else or leart boss attack patterns
imagine sekiro
i know this video is old but id just like to say that i highly disagree that spirit summons were "deeply ingrained" in the boss design, I actually dont think it effected the boss design at all.
My biggest problem with the ashes in this game is that it's horribly balanced with them. But this is most evident with Godfrey. Fighting him solo with the build I was using was just too hard with how aggressive he is and how slow your recovery animation is when doing literally anything in ER. So after losing to Godfrey 7-8 times I decided to use mimic tear and absolutely shredded him in 2min. I was not happy with my victory but I would rather do that than suffer with the terrible solo combat
110% AGREE. I have no interest in playing this game again due to how FS balanced the bosses and spirit ashes. You either go w/ a SA and trivialize the fight or you dont and spend hours or days grinding in hopes that the next attempt RNG will be in your favor. NTY ill go play BB, DS3, or DS1.
i find that elden ring boss is good design if they not hard why would you use cool spirit that's like adding useless cool content that have no purpose. if you want no spirit run just do it but don't cry when it hard. Pretty sure spirit ashes doesn't make the fight too easy, the boss that easy to beat with sprit ashes is usually will be as easy to beat in other game too most souls game have boss that easy and elden ring have double the boss so it would make sense that some boss will be easy to beat with spirit. Boss in this game will always wipe the spirit out before half hp unless it's a mini boss who is just a big enemies. it all come down to ego at this point you have no skill but immediately set a limit to yourselves and instead of getting good you complain.
i agree skill based combat is missing and heavily relied on spirit ashes
Well we'll agree to agree!
They should remove spirit ashes and invest more points into their multiplayer system
every single boss is beatable without spirit ashes. you complain about the recovery of your weapon not being high enough. simply a skill issue. use a faster attacking weapon. and learn how to Dodge. in essence. get good.
i totally agree with you
I don't use spirit ashes if I can help it and I don't upgrade them. To be honest I would prefer the option to be able to remove them from the game entirely.
me too.
I’m so let down by spirit ashes because I love playing summoner classes in video games but I also love the challenge of Fromsoft games. Such a shame I can’t have both.
Just don’t level the summon
@@quinpeck8532 THANK YOU FUUCK LIKE COMPLAING U CAN GET TO MUCH HEALTH IN ZELDA LIKE BRUH U DECIDED TO GET THIS.
then don't f use them if u want fake challenge lol
they have them in the game for a reason because the boss design is broken
@@SonGoku-ep4wj you suck at the game
Using them against bosses like gargoyles and godskin duo is reasonable the rest is ng
Pacifist runs
Mentions spirit ashes negating the reason most people play fromsoft games
Shows a clip of scarlet rot, a status effect.
Nice.
Lol I don’t use spirit ashes so it’s not like I had any great footage, chill out.
@@thatguybis1997 But you mentioned the game gets played for you with spirit ashes, then showed a clip of a status effect.
Bend the truth any further and it'll come full circle eventually
its easy to fix the game. remove spirit ashes and slow the bosses down
Spirit ashes is the real easy mode in Elden Ring.
Some can solo the bosses, some can attack while you are doing range attacks.
I think the concept is cool but are broken.
I think Rennala is the one that uses the summons well, they last 15-20 secons.
The developers are aware that, for example, mimic teas is really broken xD.
C'mon, is your character but with 1200% your health.
not broken concept at all, you would find that most boss will wipe them out easily before they got half hp and mimic teas is really hard to get to it's the equivalent of ds op weapon that you got early by go certain path but elden ring is hard to get like 10 time harder to get that op weapon and you to go to a geat length+ fight hard boss and it's like late game already at that point. But mimic tear does put other spirit to shame so it really specifically bad design ashes by ruining the other ashes purpose not much of the ashes systems.
@@AgentYellowWang tf you are saying you gotta follow a quest to get the mimic tear and beat a random boss
@@thiccupcake wrong, that quest is cut content
@@majorandras7474 you mean ranni's quest?
I played my first playthrough with colossal weapons and did not use spirit ashes on 1v1 boss fights and they were totally doable . i am so tired to hear people bitching about elden ring boss fights that they are balanced around spirit ashes that claim is utterly bullshit. Git gud fellow gamers. I really enjoyed using and testing spirit ashes in the open world and gank fights and there are a lot of other ashes than mimic and tiche also you dont have to upgrade your summons to + 10 if you want to have more challenge.
Even when youre complaining about broken stuff like spirit ashes you still find a way to complain about the difficulty
It's a series staple at this point.
In all seriousness, I don't mean the game in its entirety. Just the difficulty towards the very end that I have a problem with.
There's good difficulty with learning how to optimize your strats, then there's bad difficulty with arbitrary big numbers and mechanical jank.
That’s because the bosses in this game are mechanically broken in a lot of cases
I dunno, used ashes from the start of the game and for the most part thought it was reasonably challenging throughout and had a few that I really struggled with. I mean you said at the beginning 18% completion on steam so I don't buy that the game is "too easy" with ashes for most players, especially with all the updates to balance out some of the ashes. Said this on another video you did but I don't think this game is broken at all. I think certain people just really want to solo this game with no ashes and they're either already really good from playing a ton of FromSoft games or they just get really f&*^ing good from trying to beat it without Ashes so it becomes "too easy" when they finally use them
18 percent beat the game? Skill issue
Don't like 'em, don't use them! Problem solved!👌None of them even remotely require spirit ashes to complete. To be completely honest, having watched several of your other videos, you'd benefit a ton from developing better habits against bosses. Try rolling *into* and *against* attacks rather than away from them and avoid panic rolling like the plague, for example. And if you're finding you're killed in too few hits, swallow your pride and level Vigor. It gives you room to learn bosses faster and makes for a far more enjoyable experience.
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Completely disagree.
1. As you said, you can choose not to use them.
2. Summoning other players is still an option.
3. There are a variety of Spirit Ashes to choose from, you are not forced to pick the strongest Spirit Ashes.
4. Did I mention Git Gud is still an option?
I do find it refreshing to hear someone complain that the game is too easy. Thank you. 🤣🤣
@@bigfiretogetherforever5047 Niall o'neil and Rennala alredy do that
Lol! You literally skipped the hard part of the cuphead boss.
You say skip, I say strategy.
So much bs in this video..
You start the video explaining how difficult ER is and how few people actually beat it and then go over to "ashes solo the game for you".
The Steam statistic you showed youself says somethimg else, tho.
Ashes are not as overpowered as you claim, especially in the endgame.
The only footage you could come up with to underline your narration was Tiche(Endgame Ashes) jumping around Malenia (we both know she didnt solo that fight) and your MimicTear (strongest summon in the game) against one of the earliest bosses in the game...wow..
There are easy weapon builds that outdamage any ashes. Bleed, frost, colossal weapons. There is so much you can use for an "easy mode".
Yet people only do critique on ashes being "easy mode"..
Also the bosses aren't designed around ashes.
Everyone who did a solo playthrough with even a little skill can confirm that.
Most people have that impression because they used ashes in their first playthrough, didnt learn the fight and then call it unfair when they try to solo it.
And at the end. No one forces you to use them. Game is perfectly managable without them.
I don’t care that Tiche didn’t solo the fight.
The point is, he took half her health bar BY HIMSELF, with the host not helping AT ALL.
That alone is INSANE. Think about any tool in souls games that took half a health bar literally for free from the TOUGHEST BOSS IN THE GAME.
I don’t care what you have to say in defense of that, because there’s really no excuse.
So yeah, I’d say that’s pretty damning footage, as much as you wanna act like it’s not.
This video also comes from someone who solo’d the entire game so…yeah. This comment ain’t it chief.
@@thatguybis1997 Sorry bro he is right. Half of her first phase is actually a quarter since she has 2 phases. Btw about no other item can do that much damage to a boss, um, black fire bombs.
I do agree
@@thatguybis1997 You are aware there are 1-shot builds in this game right?
So yeah.. there are tools that kill her for free.
You literally got no point, bro.
"I dont care Tiche didn't solo the fight"
But claiming ashes solo bosses and play the game for you in the video.
What a clown..
@@thatguybis1997 "I don’t care what you have to say in defense of that" Sounds like you already know you are in the wrong but just don't wanna admit it..
You must have no experience in challenge runs to think there are no tools in other souls games that are ridiculous strong.
- Crystal soulmass and dark magic in Ds1 trivialises every boss in the game. Not to mention that Solaire as a summon solos Gargoyles and O+S.
- Ds2 had that spell (climax) which consumed souls for damage and you melted everything with it.
Also Toxic mist was a very casual way to melt bosses.
- Ds3 the answer again is spells. You can melt bosses with them quite easily.
There is btw a tool in all of the souls games that deals huge amount of damage for free and is is called parry.
I'm more of a waffle guy...
Woooooow you’re not welcome here buddy