Fallout: The World Was Broken Before The Bombs
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 4 มิ.ย. 2024
- I got way too into the Fallout TV show and now I'm replaying New Vegas. So have a collection of thoughts about the show, the characters, the setting and whether or not it's all actually good or not.
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Timestamps:
00:00 - Intro
05:57 - Now I am become death the destroyer of worlds
13:11- How To Make Good Characters for a Video Game Adaptation
18:12 - Lucy
22:51 - The Ghoul/Cooper Howard
30:05 - Maximus
36:03 - Embrace Democracy, or you will be eradicated
47:43 - The Actual Review
57:07 - Outro
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Fun fact: project van Buren aka the scrapped black isles fallout 3 was actually planned to allow you to play as a ghoul or a super mutant and was gonna be a party based rpg a la baldur's gate
Ah, the better future we were denied.
@@SKTheCrusader At least in the Fallout tabletop rpg made by Modiphius, you can still play a Super Mutant or Ghoul. As well as: Robobrains, Assaultrons, Mr. Handies, Protectrons, Securitrons, and Gen 3 Synths.
Oh well.. we can only speculate @@SKTheCrusader
@@SKTheCrusaderI enjoy New Vegas. Even if the game insists on being broken.
@@SleightWryderregardless of any crashes you might experience, you cannot deny that for a game of its size and scope, to be created in only 18 months from inception to launch is an absolutely INSANE feat!
I like how almost all of the main evils in fallout are extensions or remnants of the old world US establishment like the enclave the brotherhood institute all the corporations etc. and distinctly basically never their enemies i.e. the Chinese or the USSR
Me too.
Not only does it make sense (why would another nation invade a whole continent after the bombs fell?), it also provides valid critique of the 50s systemic issues (commie panic, rampant consumerism, a military industrial complex that got far to much influence,....).
I'm completely with you on it being a solid 8/10 show. Story and setting wise it's much more on the Bethesda level than Black Isle/Obsidian, but it succeeded spectacularly at the most important thing: Feeling like it slots in with the games rather than being a completely separate adaptation.
Appreciated your analysis of the characters, although my reading of Maximus is that he's a child who was never allowed to grow out of the trauma of what happened at Shady Sands. I'm most interested to see how his character develops in future seasons.
Maximus is definitely a character with a lot of interesting narrative potential because there’s room for growth, but also just because he’s traumatised doesn’t mean he isn’t a worm at heart. I guess we’ll see.
Lmfao. The show is an IQ test that most people failed
3:18 Fallout Nuka Break is one of the greatest fan projects of all time, by Mennen!
It's a part of my favourite memories of Fallout because me and my friends would talk about it in school.
@@SKTheCrusader I WISH I had people to discuss it with in school! I finally got around to showing it to my friends earlier this year. One of them is tapping me for lore, which really makes me wish I played more than NV and 4. (But that's hardly my fault: Fallout 3's GOTY Steam version simply refuses to run, on 3 different laptops.)
Highly reccomend playing the first 2 games. They're by far the best in my opinion and you can literally play them on any potato laptop or even your phone.
Fallout 3 is overrated as hell in my opinion and sent fallout in the "perpetual wasteland" world of Bethesda fallout.. And now because of the show the west coast as well
I think the reason Beth will never let us play a ghoul is because they very often use radiation as a progress blocker. Being immune to that breaks their planed flow. Sure there is items and armor to overcome it I don't think they want players to ever just be immune to it. Same reason we probably will never get to play a robot or super mutant. if they do ever give us player ghoulification it will probably be locked away to something mid game or later and not a starting or early game option. But I would love to be wrong and FO5 drop with full options for non-vault/non-human players.
Good vid, counterpoint on maximus though-
He's less a conniving worm and more a 1 intelligence 1 charisma 10 strength build, and as mentioned by someone else, a neutral karma playthrough. Wouldnt have nuked megaton but would bitch out of sacrificing himself for project purity lol
I can see neutral karma low int low charisma, but also wouldn't a neutral karma character come off as more of a survivor and a moral coward? Maximus really intrigues me so he may just get his own video at this point.
Solid video, love the computer screen text style you went for to display info. Probably bad that i don't click on smaller view vids. But this was solid.
I appreciate it and I'm glad someone enjoyed the terminal style because I was regretting it halfway through the edit.
@@SKTheCrusaderI appreciate that you stuck with it, I learned recently how tedious and boring editing can get
@@ryanmccolloch4734 It's one of those things where once you learn the shortcuts it's not so bad, but you have to do it the hard way to realise what the shortcuts are.
@@SKTheCrusader I really liked it too.
I think the Moldaver Cult is more like she was reborn. But I think we might say that Moldaver is a Synth.
Or she found her way into a vault and escaped.
@@RexJacobus-bb1vw That is hard to believe because Vault-Tec bought all her companies. And she wouldn't have access to a vault anywhere in the world. If Vault-Tec knew she was alive after the war. It's easier to believe that she is a Synth.
Going to be a hoot when Knight Maximus meets her again and his Idiot Savant perk ticks.
On the point of the base games don’t give the option of ghoulification there is a perk that sort of leans into that in fallout 4 but like a lot of ideas in that game they didn’t really run with it too much because it might rock the boat and upset players or something
Yeah I think that's certainly part of the reason why they've never taken that route. Especially given what a ghoul player character would require in terms of how they're interacted with. It'd be a recipe for upset players.
If I could make mods I would go home after work and make "The Spice Ghouls" today.
Still hoping that Season 2 features a settlement of ghouls from the Repcon Facility. I always hoped Jason Bright and his followers made it to their promised land. He was such a nice fella.
Fallout isnt people living in the 50's for over 200 years its what the people of 1997 thought the people of the 1950s would think what living in the 2000's would be like Bethesda never understood this
Maximus reminds me of a youtube video I watched and he started off by saying he had almost 300 hours of gameplay, yet he had never FINISHED THE MAIN QUEST! 😮😅
Yeah that actually nails it.
They will probably write it so that any NV ending besides the Legion could have happened. For example:
The NCR annexes NV but after getting their capital nuked they completely pull out of the Mojave leaving it to tear itself apart in complete anarchy once all law and order is gone, turning it into a desolate wasteland picked apart by raiders and scavengers.
Mr House/Yes Man take over NV, the NCR mount a huge counterattack causing NV to be largely destroyed due to it being a warzone. Whoever wins, the NCR gets nuked and pulls out and NV is left so destroyed and depleted it is no longer able to defend itself or maintain law abd order and so becomes a lawless wasteland picked apart by raiders and scavengers.
The supposedly inevitable invasion of the tunnelers and potentially the storms from the divide could also contribute to these outcomes.
I would recommend playing the NV mod called Dust, as it may well be canon now, and it depicts a lot of what I proposed for the House/YM endings.
7:53 “Mr. House, who’s what Elon Musk wishes he was” 😂😂🤣
I had to get my shot in
If your audio was a bit better, there was a few times where I seriously thought this was being narrated by Matt Berry lolol.
This comment made me smile, so I think I may do some Matt Berry-isms in the next few videos.
I think you misunderstand Maximilian. He's the inherent sadness of the last vestiges of hope. The only way he's actually a worm is that he's searching for a way to keep that tiny hope functional. In a way he's sort of a Greek chorus of one.
He says he wants to get back at whoever ruined his world, but he has no idea how that can happen .
He's in love with the acolyte girl who ruins her foot rather than go out into the world, But only enough to engender the rage born of her impending departure.
He has hope in Knight Titus, which he then has to morph into hope for his own survival when Titus turns out to be the ultimate disappointment.
Maximilian is a barely flickering flame struggling for the circumstantial air to keep himself from going dark.
At each moment he's looking for any just cause that will let him take the next step rather than fall into the lastitudes of despair.
Key to this is in fact what he says of others, he's a case of someone who's trying to fix the world but cannot find any one to agree with him on how.
And finally he is not innocent per se but unsophisticated because nothing has given him the chance for sophistication.
He's Been taught to believe orgasm is a flaw, but he knows enough to know that he hasn't. We are left to assume, from his phrasing, that he has masturbated to self-denial rather than completion. A goal installed into him rather than instilled in him.
That's part of why that one cringe scene is so cringe.
There's Lucy, who's been doing "cousin stuff", who has technically been married and widowed. Who has sexually advanced mores built on various layers of necessary free love I guess. And there's Maximilian who has been raised to be a drone. And yet the dronishness has not totally taken root within him because of that last flickering of Hope.
He is not a callow worm, he's an emotional survivor in an emotional hellscape, but just barely. He's a sneak thief of Hope more than a worm.
His camp buddy first Love was a template, but he is instantly taken by Lucy because she has the dynamism that he has been forced to swallow and suppress for his entire life.
Even his very first salute as a child, stepping out of Indiana Jones's fridge, he knows to salute the military, to fit in, to confirm, even though he's probably never seen someone in power armor before that very moment.
The gunslinger never risks emotionally really, he is the dude remnant of the past being forced into paradigm against his will. And Lucy risks without knowing it. But Maximilian risks knowing exactly what he has to lose, which is a completely different kind of bravery.
The thing is that all of his hope is remembered from a childhood and so seems childish despite his knowledge as A young adult that he is in fact hiding in plain sight.
*unironic applause*
the acolyte "girl" is a dude 😭
@foreverie2626 No, they're non-binary. (Also, it's Aspirant, not acolyte. The Acolyte is a Star Wars thing.)
I think Cooper is the most interesting character. I am likly biased because I relate most to him personally. I dont hear it talked about, but Cooper is very Naive. He is the end of the storyline of naivety. He went to Anchorage in service to what he truly believed was the way. He comes home and has his little piece of the dream. He has a distinct moment where he realizes his view of the world is not the reality. Thats hard when you get the world pulled out from under you, especially when you have done a lot of killing in service to that cause. He then see's the destruction of that world only to live eternally to see the destruction of many other micro worlds. How many ideological recreations of the new way has he seen in over 200 years of the wasteland rise and fall the same way? Thats Fallout to me, thats war never changing. Cooper as the ghoul is the end of the road of your ideologies. I have fought all over the world and seen all sorts of people fighting for the cause, the belief, the preservation, or the revolution. The left, the right, the center, and the fringe. At the bitter end the vast majority of the people fighting end in a nihilistic place where their world got pulled out from under them. Thats Cooper. I am not a leftist. I dont even know why I saw your video. I just like good conversation and I have a different perspective that doesnt get talked about much. We always end in the same place, its almost a preset tripwire in humanity. We lose sight of it and wind up setting up for it again, much like the worlds current state.
being a ghoul should be one of the opening perk choices
The point about playable ghouls is a real missed opertunity with fallout76 the cloest you get in that game is mutations that only add gameplay effects never change your character model physically, and the only thing you ever get out of the npc as a reaction is the bos will occaitonally comment demandingly to get your mutation cured, but the actual faction heads never comment or even enforce it. I think modus has a comment if you managed to gain a natural mutation before the enclave segement of the msq, but your finally so detached to the concrete backstory with the ability to become ghoulified, or mutated, in some manner but it never happens on a physical level like with skyrims werewolf/vampire system which elder scrolls online not only has, but has numerous times npc will comment on it, even some will refuse to speak or even react hostile to you if you use the abilities that are labeled crimes. Alot of my friends say 76 isnt/shouldnt be a mmo but at this point until the next but expansion releases its just been a skinnerbox with daily chores whci ultimately feels like an mmo, without alot of the ways players communicate normally forcing users to use voicechat with no text like its some gmod larp style rp server. I really hope fallout 5 allows us to become a ghoul, or other form of mutant, physically change, and gain new abilities based on said change.
During my first time in Fallout 3 I blew up Megaton and was blown away the game actually let you do that. I was only curious where the mission was going and kept thinking “no way the game will let this happen, something’s gonna stop me at the last minute.” And then when I finally pushed the plunger and saw the boom, along with the “You lost karma” message, I turned off the game and never touched it again until New Vegas. Couldn’t live with myself.
Nuka Cola and Vault Tec were the most shady and devilish company’s in Fallout
6:32 Isn't this verse came from Bhagavat Gita? in an incident that Krishna reveals himself to be God Vishnu in person. so to encourage Arjun to initiate a fight before the Battle of Guru Ksetra?
I love running into things like, “how tf did they know what a super mutant looks like for the vault boy animations?” But then I remember this is a video game
I like Maximus. I found his character to be the most relatable. He has the skills to survive in the wasteland, yet he still has this idealism about him. I think we’d like to think that we’d be more honorable or badass like the Cooper/Ghoul, or Lucy, but I think most of us would probably be more like Maximus…and that’s why most people don’t like him…because deep down that’s who we’d most likely be like.
But I liked all the main protagonists.
Isn't Sunset Sasaparila a softdrink seen in Mojave? (New Vegas)
That's right
Yes, but... Why, of all the available surfaces in the vicinity, would you choose to place your PS4 controller on the far corner table?
Serious answer is we were just eating dinner and were using the PS4 to watch TH-cam so the controller was just hanging out there
Rly awesome video man can’t wait to see more!
Sad thing is that our world is just as broken as Fallout's. Obviously the corruption, greed, and violence of our world is where the inspiration was drawn so it would be, but we often look at the world of Fallout as being so much worse than ours when in reality (prewar wise at least) they're pretty similar.
You brought up Fallout being kind of what the world would be if the 50s never ended and then said you'd do the late 90s/early 2000s, but if you think about it that's exactly what's happened. Since the 90s things have changed very little culturally. Really the only changes are technology advancing and people becoming more hostile, oddly just like in Fallout.
make a video on cathulu.. i dont know why but it seems fitting for someone as yourself.. also, liked and subbed.. keep making vid about cool stuff?
The fallout world was not sustainable?!
I never could have guessed 😂😂😂
Good video
Found you through this video, subbed, moar fallout plz and ty.
I'll see what I can do after the current backlog is cleared.
I did not like the show as much as you, because to me it felt like watching a Star Wars tv show...
Too many same scenes, everybody goes the same direction, it does kinda feel like fallout characters now that you pointed that out, but still felt very Fallout 4.
Every armor has the same animation... And it's that weird I took a shit in my pants kind of walk that came from Fallout 4...
Really this could have been better, like Fallout 4 and 76 (thankfully I got 76 at that time when it sold for $2 on G2A 🤑)
If I dont make fallout a reality. How will I fulfill my fantasy of a raspy voice ghoul gf
max is a pure 1 intel char dont know if you ever played a low intel char but thats what he has to be imo
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Incredibly based video
76 has a perk called Ghoulish. I'm going to go ahead and say that 76 is canon, possibly, and everyone needs to give 76 another shot because it is currently the best Fallout game.
Edit: Maximus is a neutral karma playthrough.
No, it’s objectively not the best Fallout Game
I'm coming around to neutral karma as the structure for Maximus, but I've never really "got" 76 and maybe now is the time to try again? Though it'd have to bring a lot to the table to live up to best Fallout game.
Fallout 4 had that same perk, you’re aware a lot of perks from 76 were ported from previous games, right?
Why wouldn't 76 be canon?
@@alexandertiberius1098 because its garbage... bought it day 1. tried desperately to like it. gave up. its fallout adjacent but it IS NOT FALLOUT.
Someone is still sour about Twitter
Watched the first 5 minutes and decided to check out the TV show
Still played the vid on mute ❤️
Appreciate the watch time and I hope the show matches the 8/10 I gave it.
:) D
The Moldaver cult, while funny to watch, seemed out of place to me since Moldaver was still alive.
You are doing Maximus dirty. To call him a “spineless worm” is evil and I feel some racism at work in your analysis.
To be fair, isn't he pretty much Titus, but younger? - with a potential to change. He has impulses to be a better person, but ultimately when he isn't - he's still benefitting, more so even when he's not trying to be a better person. He literally wears armor that he doesn't deserve... As of yet. He might, but at the time he's a knight, not *the* knight. Kind of the *idea* of the character, no? Deeply flawed, but potential for growth. With painful costs to pay for choosing to be better.
New vegas was most un fallout game is it lack vault dweller protagonist..
Fallout 2's protagonist was not s vault dweller either. Obsidian just followed what they originally planned for the franchise, and that is for there to be a wide variety of "backgrounds" for the player character.