I love my Thursday vanguard, I went with the French roast. I don't wear them everyday, but when I'm not working in a machine shop, which I have to have safety boots, I wear these boots and been loving them!
My favorite part about this video is that you beat these boots a little bit. It’s a great example of proof on how durable the leather is. Not a lot of guys are really beating their Thursday’s and I really appreciate it.
Thanks man! Yeah I always wear them around and beat them up, although sometimes (like with Taft Jack boot) they're not really made for that and it's not a great idea haha.
Stridewise I agree, you do a great job. I did like that you took these on a trip and really gave them a test. It also showed what Thursday says on their site, that they do look better after getting some wear and scratches. How did they hold up to water? Still a bit slushy here in MN and I curious if they hold up any better or worse when they get splashed with water or in light rain
I ordered the Vanguard in French Roast, which I just got a couple of weeks ago. My true-to-size is 10.5, and I ordered a 10, which fit well, even with a thicker sock, which is how I like to wear them. Great boots.
Hey Stridewise.... just received my third pair of Thursday boots. Vanguard Indigo. You were right Bro; size up 1/2 from the Captains. Very comfortable! Keep up the good work; really enjoy your channel!
When are they going to edit their site to say Vanguards are true to size?! There must be so many sad feet out there haha. Glad you liked the vid Andrew!
Just received my pair of vanguard burnt copper. I usually wear a 9.5 so ordered the size 9 and they fit great. The leather is a little stiff, but they are comfortable, even during break in period. I got these over the captains but can already tell speed hooks would make these boots better. The burnt copper color is nice in that it changes shades depending on the lighting and angle. Although I thought the leather would be a little darker overall. Not sure if there’s something I can do to darken the leather… hopefully it naturally darkens a little over time. Great boots though, can tell these will hold up over time.
I bought the President tobacco and it’s made of the rugged leather like the USA vanguard. This leather is tough and stiff out of the box. The first two days concerned me because they absolutely killed my feet. But now they are really shaped to my feet and feel amazing. The Thursday chrome leather need no break in period at all. I have the explorers boot by Thursday in brown and it’s a much softer leather
Thank you for a very thorough and extremely helpful review. I purchased this version of the Vanguard based on your review and I ordered true to my Brannock size - perfect! I have now placed an order for the French Roast Vanguard, same size. Again, many thanks.
Glad it was helpful! Yeah sizing with direct to consumer brands can be tricky, I was surprised these were smaller than advertised. But that's what I'm here for!
I was waiting on this review. I recently bought their Captains in natural chromexcel and loved it. I am certainly thinking about buying one of these. I am leaning towards the color #8. Those look beautiful. As always a thorough review.
I know this is an old video, but I've been watching too many boot videos for some reason. Trenton and Heath say to not use mink oil or any kind of liquid on the rugged and resilient leathers from Thursday is basically a form of a roughout or suede.
Great video as always! I've got the same model and see them more as a fashion focused version of my Copper IRs. I really like them, just wish they had speed hooks. I changed out the laces because I am not a huge fan of leather ones. Size wise, I have them in the same size as my IRs and they are much more snug. It is certainly not unbearable though.
I got these in the French Roast, I'm in love! Luckily I live in NYC and work a few blocks away from their 21 Street showroom. I was able to go in and try them on, I definitely, recommend you get the Vanguards in true to size!
Bout time I tried these out! I’m rotating these, my Blacksmiths, my Iron Rangers, and my Tecovas Earls each week. Love my Vanguards. Customer service rocked too...
Glad I stumbled upon this review. I was looking at the Vanguards but was a little hesitant to size down until I saw this. Interestingly, I noticed on their website if you click "what's my size" they take you through a quick sizing Q&A which ended up recommending my normal size. They should probably just remove the 1/2 size down verbiage from their description of the Vanguard.
Bought a pair of Vanguards in Essex about 2-years ago and thought I share my experience. The quality is really good, although the sizing on their website is totally arbitrary and off. They recommend sizing 1/2 a size down on your dress shoes. I have a pair of Allen Edmonds in 10.5 that fit really well so I bought a size 10. They were tight and hurt my feet, but they say they should be tight so they can stretch out. I thought I would see how they go because as an international customer it is really expensive to return them. Over time the leather stretched out so much that my foot is over the welt and very uncomfortable. I am a size 11D - E on a Brannock device, the average North American male is an E width. Basically, the sizing recommendation pointed me towards a size 10 when I should be a size 11 (this is not based on the Brannock device as companies do fit does not follow this). I emailed customer service and they take no responsiblity for their sizing recommendation, it is totally arbitrary. The customer service representative did say straight out the Vanguard is designed to fit D and E widths. Their customer service is not good, in my experience, a real shame because these boots have so much potential. Unfortunately, it was a big waste of money for me and a bad experience. Hope this helps anyone thinking about Thursday Boot.
Haha I totally agree this boot is true to size, not a size down. I'm hoping I saved some guys your experience by specifying that in the video, no idea why they haven't changed the recommndations on the site though.
I’d really like to try this boot in the dogger/Cuban heal with the waxed flesh leather, but they only going to 11 on that one. I wear a 12 in sneakers and 11-11.5 in most boots with a slightly wider than D width foot. If that last is narrower fitting, then I’m worried that it won’t work. Thanks for the great content as per usual. I basically only consider boots reviewed by you, Rose Anvil, and/or Trenton & Heath at this point. Y’all are the best!
Great review of what looks like a great pair of boots. Please do an update of some of the boots you own like how they are holding up after months/years of use and how well they look and feel after taking care of them. Cheers....
I just ordered a pair of the Vanguards with a Vibram lug sole. Reminds me of Timberlands. I can't find any real info about them. From what I can tell the called the leather color Honey and the sole color Honey. Looking forward to giving them that bear up worn in look. I've really been into USA made boots as of late so I when I learned that they were made in the US I was stoked. Do you happen to know which factory produces them? All I could learn was it was a plant in Arkansas. I suspect is was Munro & Co Inc. They have produced some of the limited run boots for Timberland in the past.
your reviews are fantastic.. Super detailed and you cover all areas . You are like a high level black belt boot reviewer . I get pulled in on all your reviews from the start and they play a big part in which boots I will buy. I would love if you ever did a review on Mark ALbert boots. A small company in PA . they look a lot like viberg service boot and the Truman service boot.
7th degree black belt in Goodyear welts haha thank you, this gave me my first laugh of the day. I have done a Mark Albert review! It's not published yet but if you want to read the script you can email me
I was going to buy these Vanguard boots, but I quit. Because the Cap toe in these boots is a faux fake toe cap. I asked a question about Thursday boots Vanguard's cap toe structure. The QA staff answered me. " The cap toe is solely aesthetic and the leather is not doubled. " Unlike the Red Wing iron Ranger boots (iR is double layer leather toe cap), Vanguard's Cap toe is just each leather's edge part overlap stitched. Vanguard boots are not suitable for those who often work rugged activities because their toes scratch and wear quickly. Faux Cap toe's Overlap stitched structures may cause water to potentially flooded inside toe box. Vanguard use very good leather on the outside upper of the shoes and leather lining inside shoe. These shoes are great for light use and outdoor fashion, not for harsh use.
It's super common for the cap toe to be an aesthetic thing instead of the leather folded over. You're right that it makes it not quite as 'functional' for working in if you're concerned about protecting the toes, but I don't think the cap toe makes it less water resistant.
I'm looking for a classic style for cap boot that I can casually wear around town and at the pub, but also in the woodshop or on a easy going trail. Basically I want an all rounder for everyday, light work, adventure, and even motorcycle riding. I'd like if there was a Thursday option but I think IRs are gonna be my go to. Would you agree?
@@Stridewise [ inside area -> Toe Lining(soft Calf leather or soft fabric ) -> Toe box(Molded plastic or thick fabric) -> Upper leather -> outside air ] is common boots structure. Genuine double layer leather toe cap have no crack. It just added another Upper layer. so outside water can't pass through in to the toe area. Faux aesthetic fake toe cap have crack and gap. Because faux Cap is only overlapped edge of each leathers. long walking will bend the boots, and a Gap in the toe cap will slightly open. When the faux Cap's gap is opened, the water can seep in through the crack. If Toe box is a plastic material, The water is blocked and cannot penetrate. If Toe box is a fabric material, The water soak in toe lining and feet. When I was in the army, I had this problem in my one year old military boots. I used beeswax based product as a temporary measure to keep water from leaking.
@@cam-asherbond5316 I agree. Red wing iron Ranger 8084 or 8111 (new model with vibram 430 mini lug) looks great on you. iR 8084 and iR 8111 Can be useful for multiple rugged purposes. 8084 BLACK HARNESS and 8111 AMBER HARNESS Leather is strong and tough. However, it can be painful when the ankle bone and heel are chafed with friction. Because it has no inner lining and the inside leather surface is rough and stiff. You will find it less painful and no blister to wear long thick socks when you wear boots. The floor is very hard and no cushioning insole. Maybe you should put in a soft cushioning insole to relax your feet. If you wear it for a long time, you must put in a cushioning insole.
Do yourself a favor, save your money a little longer, and buy some White's, Nick's, Wesco's, or Vibergs instead. The difference in quality will blow you away.
@@Stridewise don't take it as a dig, because it wasn't. It really was a good video with all your traveling and showing Petra. I wouldn't have subscribed if I thought your videos sucked.
Definitely size up a half side from your typical boot size. I got mine in size 7, which is my normal size for Wolverine 1000 and Taft, and my toes are super uncomfortably packed if I'm not wearing super thin socks. They're fairly new right now so I'm hoping they'll stretch as they're worn in, but I don't see being able to walk long distance with them on as of this moment. Besides that, super beautiful boots (mine is in French Roast). I've had them for two weeks and I've gotten a ton of unsolicited compliments. Pretty much every time I went out with them really.
Hey Ddreadster! So glad you're enjoying your boots. The leather will naturally give with time and wear. What may help is to wear the boots a few hours a day in your home so you can slowly break them in!
Excellent review Nick. I always look forward to seeing a notification pop up regarding one of your latest productions available on You Tube. This one did not disappoint. You do a great job of discussing the various pros and cons of Thursday’s Vanguard Boot. I really like the look and texture of the leather, which appears similar to an Allen Edmond’s Normandy Boot I recently purchased. The AE Normandy boot is quickly becoming one of my favorites, thus, I can see why you are excited about The Vanguard Boot, which comes in at around $100 less than the AE Normandy. It sounds like you really did an exhaustive “road test” on the Vanguard and from all appearances they seem to have held up quite well. I’m curious if you foresee Thursday making more of its boots in the U.S? If so, it would seem like Thursday would need to partner with a major U.S. Footwear manufacturer to pull it off. What are your thoughts as to what direction Thursday might be going? Getting back to the review, I think you covered all the bases quite adequately. Another fine Stridewise production! Well done...
Thanks, Ed! I think Thursday's $199 boots are like a big deal for them but they might do more American made stuff. For now though I think they're focusing more on apparel - they made the jacket I wear in this video and I think they're working on more clothing items
Just picked up this exact pair, I have a pair of captains and I got them true to my sneaker size and there are just a hair big so I wen a half size down on the vanguards. Looking forward to putting them through the paces this fall/winter
What's the difference between the Captain and this? Other than it being made in America, where is the extra markup going? There is already no shank in this, so to me the Captain in Burnt Copper leather would be a better option.
These do have a shank actually. The extra cost is just for the labor in the US, otherwise pretty similar but I mention the differences with the captain in the video and written review. Mostly the Vanguards don't have the EVA strip.
Great review and good looking boot. Nick! Should I go down a half size or stick with my regular shoe size...sounds like these are pretty tight going down a half size??
Perfect timing as I've literally got a pair of French Roast in my cart but not a lot of reviews on the Vanguard! I'm also between a 11.5-12 in size and this made me reconsider getting an 11D. Interested to know which boot you like more between this and the Captain! Thanks
The Captain is sort of a more exciting boot with the EVA strip, like it feels like something very different while these feel more traditional. It depends on what you like.
J G A cobbler (Trenton and Hearth I think) took the standard captain made in Mexico boots and actually really liked the build quality. Pros included: a full leather liner when many boots at higher prices would have a 3/4 leather lining. They use a real leather heel block. Many manufacturers use a wood or even a plastic heel block. The heel pad and heel sole is glued and tacked on very strongly; they aren’t going to fall off. They have a high quality 360 Goodyear welt so sole replacements are easier.
You took the right colour boots to the wadi rum desert. I went there with some merrels and I could see the red sand in them 10 years later. How quickly does the poron get compressed or lose cushion? Once it does maybe there will be space so can you put another thin poron insole on top.
You said it’s not as slim as the Captain in the introduction but also later that you found it too snug in the same size as the Captain and wish you got true to size. How come it’s not as slim as the Captain but also more snug? Thanks.
Curious if you've heard any other feedback in vanguard sizing? I have two pairs of captains in brandy and Old English and they fit extremely comfortably, but I do have to loosen the laces of bit to wear boot socks and prefer a bit more toe room.I size down 1/2 size as Thursday recommended on my captains and I'm about to pull a trigger on some burnt copper vanguard's and wanted your fellow up opinion on comfort. Do you still think that you would have preferred to go true size on the Vanguard model? Thanks much. Your videos are superb and have been very helpful in my purchasing and care decisions.
There are a lot of comments on this video from people agreeing with my concerns on sizing, and yeah I would recommend going true to size. Worth reaching out and asking if they've changed the last/sizing since I did this video just to double check but if not go TTS!
Great review as always. The Vanguard Horween French Roast/Color #8 have thicker leather. However the construction is pretty consistent. You can't beat the price for that level of expertise/quality.
Hello sir, love your reviews. Copped the Vanguards after watching your reviews over n over. I had them for over a year and wear them over my Vibergs, Truman’s, and Aldens. Absolutely my daily wear. Do you recommend using a saddle soap to clean and condition? Thank you.
Hey Jay, so glad you like them!! I'd agree they feel better than Vibergs and Trumans, I think I like my Aldens a bit more for comfort but they're not as versatile as the Vanguards. I haven't used Saddle Soap ever, which I know is crazy. I'm going to try it on my Iron Rangers some time, but for now I can't speak to it!
Hey Nick, I was thinking of buying either Thursday Vanguards or Red Wing Merchants. What do you suggest? In terms of Cost, there is not a big difference (RW Merchant costs 60 USD more) right? I would really appreciate your opinion on that. Thanks
Hmm. Red Wing is super long lasting, though it isn't as comfy in my experience, the arch support/shock absorption isn't as good as Thursday. Red Wing's leather is easier to take care of but it doesn't have as much luster. It is tough, it's just matte.
I have a pair of Thursday diplomats, and the leather IS kind of thin, and it DOES scuff up pretty easily (they polish up easily) but they are nice comfortable, semi-casual dress boots. But for work I almost daily hike outdoors in a variety of terrains 6-12 miles a day so I don't believe they'd hold up very well. I have worn Chippewas , Aldens, Redwing Iron Rangers and others but I think these may have to be my next boot.
Oh you got them in the same leather? Yeah I mean it does get beat up easily but I feel like that's the point of the leather, like it looks better as it looks uglier. I think I said that in the review. The leather is thinner than Red Wings, I think that makes them more versatile/fashionable, like easier to wear in urban environments but I definitely see why you'd want something thicker when you're going hiking.
@@Stridewise I went ahead and bought a pair of the Captains in the Arizona Adobe Rugged & Resilient Leather. I have to admit I really like them. They seem comparable to my Iron Rangers, but don't have that "clown shoe" look about them. I haven't put them through the grinder yet (They look way too good at the moment . ;)) but once I do, I'll leave an update.
I ordered the Vanguards in waxed cacao. Beautiful leather but there was puckering around the whole welt (holes forming where the stitching is like if it’s ripping through). I was so bummed and returned. Then they sent me another pair that was worse! A manager reached out to me after and she said that she spoke to the factory manager or whoever and said it was normal...? Ha! I said “yea normal for you guys but nobody else”. Such a let down and their shipping takes 2 weeks So a month in total!
How does this copper leather compare to the Copper Rough & Tough Red Wing leather? I assume it's sort of a similar tanning process and a similar use-case for the boots.
I’ve been watching tons of your videos. Love them, but would like to see more styles reviewed such as engineer boots (Frye, Welco, Ranch Road) and maybe Tecovas boots and some other styles.
This year I want to do a lot more chelseas, which are more popular and would make more sense for me like, traffic wise. But engineer boots are on the to do list! It's a big world out there.
@@Stridewise I'm glad you did because I've been eyeing these Burnt Copper Vanguards for a while now. Will you be reviewing some of their other styles as well? Also, are you planning on reviewing dress shoes in the future?
@@Stridewise Nice, I remember the video you released recently in which you bought the hoodies, denim, and watches. Any hints as to which you are going to review first?
If I had a pair of Thursday boots in black and wanted to put on some protectant, could I use Obenaufs oil or LP? I don't care if it gets darker because it will be black anyways. Thanks for your help!
I got these because of the overwhelmingly high praise Thursday Boots have among the youtube community. Sadly my experience was terrible. Ordered a pair of the vanguards 3 weeks ago and the 1st pair had a melted portion on the welt of the sole. Reached out to them and they offered an exchange. 2nd pair just came in today but it had a worse defect. The part of the heel where it meets the sole had a crack on it. After all the hassle they offered a measly $10 gift card which can be used when purchasing another product. Other companies offered way better compensation for lesser issues. At this point, I'm beginning to think that all these positive reviews were paid promotions.
Great review. Definitely looking at picking these up in French Roast. How would you say they compare to Iron Rangers, in terms of sizing? My IRs are a US 12/D. Would you say I'd be beet picking up a 12 in these, too? Sizing needs to be right from the word go, as return shipping from the UK could get a little pricy.
I'm an 11 in Iron Rangers and 11.5 in Vanguards, so I'd suggest going up a half size. Double check with Thursday that they haven't changed the sizing since I made the video though ;)
Nice. First and foremost, I look for quality, comfort and style. Once that is met, I try to purchase shoes made in the US. Like Germans, Canadians and other nation’s citizens... I understand that large trade deficits are not good for long term prosperity and jobs. I really appreciate that you take the time to review shoes and give us your knowledgeable opinion. Quality shoes are extremely important to the health of our feet, knees, legs and yes even our backs. If a individual learns to take care of their shoes, they can last a lifetime and rather than throw the shoes away as they are worn, take or send them to a quality shoe Cobbler and keep for a very long time. I’ve found that most American made shoes are very, very good. The older the design, quite often the longer the break in period. Red wing boots, in particular seem to take a good long time to truly break in. I have a pair of American made Redwings that were just under $300. They have a wedge sole and are in between a Chukka and a 6”. They have been the most uncomfortable work boot I’ve ever owned. Now, as I’ve aged, I’ve needed significantly better arch support and more padding in the shoe. As we age, most of us loose the fat/padding on our feet and also our arches begin to break down if we don’t wear shoes that provide that support. For example, at 26, I wore a 9 d. Today I wear a 10 d or 10 E. 40 years ago it was common to have shoe stores measure your arch and then install (glue in place) arch support cookies. Back then they were often rubber or leather. It helped a lot if you had large arches. Anyway, thank you for the review and your insights.
Seems weird to do another video on the same boot with a different leather, like most of the video would be the same! I do keep getting requests to do that though.
Awesome video and review. I just ordered the same ones today and look forward to them. I have bought other boots from Thursday's and feel these ones will be a great addition! Also..... new subscriber
Yeah but to be fair the Captain comes in leathers like Arizona Adobe that are pretty tough and outdoorsy as well. The main difference is they're American made and they have a more traditional type of construction (like without the EVA footbed)
Planning to buy a pair of Thursday Boot Majors and I normally wear a size US9 in Jordan 1s (I'm a 9.5 on the Brannock device). What size should i get for the Majors? Thanks
A couple questions: I don't have any boots in chromexcel. As far as the leathers outside the rough and ready ones, would you recommend going with horween or Thursday's in house tannery based on your experience? Also, I work outside in a lot of mud. Do you think the leather from this video would be substantially better than the other leathers on offer for getting muddied up and hosed down? Is this model substantially tougher than the president/captain, etc. in your experience?
I'd say yes it's better for getting muddy than the other leathers. As for Chromexcel versus Thursday leather, honestly I think it's worth getting a pair of nice Chromexcel boots. It's the most famous boot leather there is. That said I think it creases more easily than Thursday's leather, at least in my experience.
Other than made in US, is there enough difference between these and the captains to justify the + USD65 price? You can also get the same leather in the captains. what would you reccomend?
@@Stridewise Thank you for the answer. These will be my first Thursday boots. I decided I wanted to try the boot that launched Thursday and go with the captain.
Can some of these attributes be applied to any of the rugged and resilient boots from the company? Or is it specifically only the fully American made stuff?
I’ve worn em enough to say that I wish I could fit a higher arch insole in there, but it’s not bad at all. I was honestly sore a few times back further toward heel. But this is 12+ hrs of wear in a shipyard walking around.
Hi Nick, I've been wearing 8.5 sneakers. I've ordered a Thursday Boot Chukka and still have about an 1" of toe room. Then, recently got an actual feet measurements and I'm actually size 7...on Captain do you think I'll be on going with 7.5? Thanks in advance!
I really enjoy my Vanguards, but it's odd how my right boot is breaking in differently than my left. The left is taking longer and the wrinkles in the leather are much finer, while the right has become much softer and the wrinkles are larger and more pronounced. I'm not a boot expert so I'm not sure what this is about, but it's noticeable. Overall though I like them and Thursday's customer service is top notch.
So I have these exact pair. And I'm about to clean them but I'm not sure if to use a conditioner on them. They have scratches that I would like to minimize as possible. What would you recommend? I just order an imperial venetian leather balm.
It's tough with this leather because Thursday themselves really kind of told me they don't condition it, it's not meant to need much conditioning. I'd go with neatsfoot oil myself and see what happens. Giving it a vigorous brush should help with scratches.
Oh, and maybe a Red Wing Sheldon review? I was looking at getting some Iron Rangers but then I saw the Sheldons and they appealed to me more; they looked a little more "dressy" to me.
I say it all in this video, the main difference is that the Captain has a squishier insole, it feels a little more sneaker like while the Vanguard feels more like a traditional American boot. So it depends on your preference - Nick
i have considered buying an american made version of the thursday boot for about a year. my size 12 was waitlisted a year running! all but possibly one leather in my size has been out of stock for months. im like i want to give you my money but nothing is restocked. has anyone else had this problem? customer service just said maybe soon then the last two times ive reached out no response at all. what gives?
Have used the redwing leather cream on my Arizona adobe rough and tough leather and it darkened slightly, changed the texture a bit.... but looks great.
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I love my Thursday vanguard, I went with the French roast. I don't wear them everyday, but when I'm not working in a machine shop, which I have to have safety boots, I wear these boots and been loving them!
Goes to the place where Indiana Jones finds the holy grail......... and doesn't wear indy boots
i JUST realized how stupid that was of me!!!!
For shame.
Remember, in Latin...Jehovah begins with an "I"
@@kevinpascual I chose my footwear... poorly
Stridewise that’s hilarious! At least you had comfortable shoes/boots 🤷♂️
use Brian The Bootmaker for your project boot resole...
@Jason Stewart Why not?
My favorite part about this video is that you beat these boots a little bit. It’s a great example of proof on how durable the leather is. Not a lot of guys are really beating their Thursday’s and I really appreciate it.
Thanks man! Yeah I always wear them around and beat them up, although sometimes (like with Taft Jack boot) they're not really made for that and it's not a great idea haha.
Stridewise I agree, you do a great job. I did like that you took these on a trip and really gave them a test. It also showed what Thursday says on their site, that they do look better after getting some wear and scratches. How did they hold up to water? Still a bit slushy here in MN and I curious if they hold up any better or worse when they get splashed with water or in light rain
Thursday Boots Presidents are my daily beater boots, I work in a warehouse and they’re still looking great
Cool!
I honestly don't know why the Captains get more love than the Presidents.
Amazing :) So glad you're enjoying you boots!
I ordered the Vanguard in French Roast, which I just got a couple of weeks ago. My true-to-size is 10.5, and I ordered a 10, which fit well, even with a thicker sock, which is how I like to wear them. Great boots.
Oh glad the fit worked for you!
Great review, Nick. I have way too many boots and now I want a pair Thursday's Vanguard boots. So many boots and only two feet...
The eternal dilemma!
Looking forward to having you a part of the Team :) !
Hey Stridewise.... just received my third pair of Thursday boots. Vanguard Indigo. You were right Bro; size up 1/2 from the Captains. Very comfortable! Keep up the good work; really enjoy your channel!
When are they going to edit their site to say Vanguards are true to size?! There must be so many sad feet out there haha. Glad you liked the vid Andrew!
Just received my pair of vanguard burnt copper. I usually wear a 9.5 so ordered the size 9 and they fit great. The leather is a little stiff, but they are comfortable, even during break in period.
I got these over the captains but can already tell speed hooks would make these boots better.
The burnt copper color is nice in that it changes shades depending on the lighting and angle. Although I thought the leather would be a little darker overall. Not sure if there’s something I can do to darken the leather… hopefully it naturally darkens a little over time.
Great boots though, can tell these will hold up over time.
I bought the President tobacco and it’s made of the rugged leather like the USA vanguard. This leather is tough and stiff out of the box. The first two days concerned me because they absolutely killed my feet. But now they are really shaped to my feet and feel amazing. The Thursday chrome leather need no break in period at all. I have the explorers boot by Thursday in brown and it’s a much softer leather
Thank you for a very thorough and extremely helpful review. I purchased this version of the Vanguard based on your review and I ordered true to my Brannock size - perfect! I have now placed an order for the French Roast Vanguard, same size. Again, many thanks.
Glad it was helpful! Yeah sizing with direct to consumer brands can be tricky, I was surprised these were smaller than advertised. But that's what I'm here for!
I was waiting on this review. I recently bought their Captains in natural chromexcel and loved it. I am certainly thinking about buying one of these. I am leaning towards the color #8. Those look beautiful. As always a thorough review.
I was looking for someone who bought or owns the naturals colorway. Does it look better than the brown ones? Does it look lighter?
@@troyjusticecabrera7284 Naturals definitely look beautiful, but I won't be able to say if they look better than brown as I don't own the brown.
@@nikhilsrl Thank you for the insight!
I know this is an old video, but I've been watching too many boot videos for some reason. Trenton and Heath say to not use mink oil or any kind of liquid on the rugged and resilient leathers from Thursday is basically a form of a roughout or suede.
I love my Captains and Vanguard. They do feel different, but both are awesome! Thanks for the video!
Glad you liked it my man!
jr4chargers Which do you prefer and why?
Great video as always! I've got the same model and see them more as a fashion focused version of my Copper IRs. I really like them, just wish they had speed hooks. I changed out the laces because I am not a huge fan of leather ones. Size wise, I have them in the same size as my IRs and they are much more snug. It is certainly not unbearable though.
I got these in the French Roast, I'm in love! Luckily I live in NYC and work a few blocks away from their 21 Street showroom. I was able to go in and try them on, I definitely, recommend you get the Vanguards in true to size!
For sure, Steven!
I just got the same one today
Bout time I tried these out! I’m rotating these, my Blacksmiths, my Iron Rangers, and my Tecovas Earls each week. Love my Vanguards. Customer service rocked too...
That's a fine collection, Steve!
Haha I have these Blacksmiths and Iron Rangers in my rotation too! Nice!
Glad I stumbled upon this review. I was looking at the Vanguards but was a little hesitant to size down until I saw this. Interestingly, I noticed on their website if you click "what's my size" they take you through a quick sizing Q&A which ended up recommending my normal size. They should probably just remove the 1/2 size down verbiage from their description of the Vanguard.
Bought a pair of Vanguards in Essex about 2-years ago and thought I share my experience. The quality is really good, although the sizing on their website is totally arbitrary and off. They recommend sizing 1/2 a size down on your dress shoes. I have a pair of Allen Edmonds in 10.5 that fit really well so I bought a size 10. They were tight and hurt my feet, but they say they should be tight so they can stretch out. I thought I would see how they go because as an international customer it is really expensive to return them. Over time the leather stretched out so much that my foot is over the welt and very uncomfortable. I am a size 11D - E on a Brannock device, the average North American male is an E width. Basically, the sizing recommendation pointed me towards a size 10 when I should be a size 11 (this is not based on the Brannock device as companies do fit does not follow this). I emailed customer service and they take no responsiblity for their sizing recommendation, it is totally arbitrary. The customer service representative did say straight out the Vanguard is designed to fit D and E widths. Their customer service is not good, in my experience, a real shame because these boots have so much potential. Unfortunately, it was a big waste of money for me and a bad experience. Hope this helps anyone thinking about Thursday Boot.
Haha I totally agree this boot is true to size, not a size down. I'm hoping I saved some guys your experience by specifying that in the video, no idea why they haven't changed the recommndations on the site though.
Made in the USA! Awesome!
I’d really like to try this boot in the dogger/Cuban heal with the waxed flesh leather, but they only going to 11 on that one. I wear a 12 in sneakers and 11-11.5 in most boots with a slightly wider than D width foot. If that last is narrower fitting, then I’m worried that it won’t work. Thanks for the great content as per usual. I basically only consider boots reviewed by you, Rose Anvil, and/or Trenton & Heath at this point. Y’all are the best!
Great review of what looks like a great pair of boots. Please do an update of some of the boots you own like how they are holding up after months/years of use and how well they look and feel after taking care of them. Cheers....
Got these based in part on this review. I love them. Instant favorite in my rotation. Thanks!
Glad you like them Jason!
I just ordered a pair of the Vanguards with a Vibram lug sole. Reminds me of Timberlands. I can't find any real info about them. From what I can tell the called the leather color Honey and the sole color Honey. Looking forward to giving them that bear up worn in look. I've really been into USA made boots as of late so I when I learned that they were made in the US I was stoked. Do you happen to know which factory produces them? All I could learn was it was a plant in Arkansas. I suspect is was Munro & Co Inc. They have produced some of the limited run boots for Timberland in the past.
your reviews are fantastic.. Super detailed and you cover all areas . You are like a high level black belt boot reviewer . I get pulled in on all your reviews from the start and they play a big part in which boots I will buy. I would love if you ever did a review on Mark ALbert boots. A small company in PA . they look a lot like viberg service boot and the Truman service boot.
7th degree black belt in Goodyear welts haha thank you, this gave me my first laugh of the day. I have done a Mark Albert review! It's not published yet but if you want to read the script you can email me
I was going to buy these Vanguard boots, but I quit.
Because the Cap toe in these boots is a faux fake toe cap.
I asked a question about Thursday boots Vanguard's cap toe structure.
The QA staff answered me.
" The cap toe is solely aesthetic and the leather is not doubled. "
Unlike the Red Wing iron Ranger boots (iR is double layer leather
toe cap),
Vanguard's Cap toe is just each leather's edge part overlap stitched.
Vanguard boots are not suitable for those who often work rugged activities because their toes scratch and wear quickly.
Faux Cap toe's Overlap stitched structures may cause water to potentially flooded inside toe box.
Vanguard use very good leather on the outside upper of the shoes and leather lining inside shoe.
These shoes are great for light use and outdoor fashion, not for harsh use.
It's super common for the cap toe to be an aesthetic thing instead of the leather folded over. You're right that it makes it not quite as 'functional' for working in if you're concerned about protecting the toes, but I don't think the cap toe makes it less water resistant.
I'm looking for a classic style for cap boot that I can casually wear around town and at the pub, but also in the woodshop or on a easy going trail. Basically I want an all rounder for everyday, light work, adventure, and even motorcycle riding. I'd like if there was a Thursday option but I think IRs are gonna be my go to. Would you agree?
@@Stridewise [ inside area -> Toe Lining(soft Calf leather or soft fabric ) -> Toe box(Molded plastic or thick fabric) -> Upper leather -> outside air ] is common boots structure.
Genuine double layer leather toe cap have no crack. It just added another Upper layer.
so outside water can't pass through in to the toe area.
Faux aesthetic fake toe cap have crack and gap.
Because faux Cap is only overlapped edge of each leathers.
long walking will bend the boots, and a Gap in the toe cap will slightly open.
When the faux Cap's gap is opened, the water can seep in through the crack.
If Toe box is a plastic material, The water is blocked and cannot penetrate.
If Toe box is a fabric material, The water soak in toe lining and feet.
When I was in the army, I had this problem in my one year old military boots.
I used beeswax based product as a temporary measure to keep water from leaking.
@@cam-asherbond5316 I agree. Red wing iron Ranger 8084 or 8111 (new model with vibram 430 mini lug) looks great on you.
iR 8084 and iR 8111 Can be useful for multiple rugged purposes.
8084 BLACK HARNESS and 8111 AMBER HARNESS Leather is strong and tough.
However, it can be painful when the ankle bone and heel are chafed with friction.
Because it has no inner lining and the inside leather surface is rough and stiff.
You will find it less painful and no blister to wear long thick socks when you wear boots.
The floor is very hard and no cushioning insole.
Maybe you should put in a soft cushioning insole to relax your feet.
If you wear it for a long time, you must put in a cushioning insole.
Damn bro, you convinced me to get the captains and the iron rangers now I’m gonna get me a pair of vanguards.
Instead of getting 3 mid tier models. Why not look at some higher end stuff. You're spending the money anyway
Do yourself a favor, save your money a little longer, and buy some White's, Nick's, Wesco's, or Vibergs instead. The difference in quality will blow you away.
Jonathon Wood what would you say is the better boot between the Viberg and Whites boots...
Thanks nick. Gonna go through your link when I pick these up
This is probably the coolest video about boot reviews I've ever seen.
I can't tell if this is a dig or not. It's not about boot reviews?
@@Stridewise don't take it as a dig, because it wasn't. It really was a good video with all your traveling and showing Petra. I wouldn't have subscribed if I thought your videos sucked.
Definitely size up a half side from your typical boot size. I got mine in size 7, which is my normal size for Wolverine 1000 and Taft, and my toes are super uncomfortably packed if I'm not wearing super thin socks. They're fairly new right now so I'm hoping they'll stretch as they're worn in, but I don't see being able to walk long distance with them on as of this moment. Besides that, super beautiful boots (mine is in French Roast). I've had them for two weeks and I've gotten a ton of unsolicited compliments. Pretty much every time I went out with them really.
Yeah I'm glad I was able to give people that tip! Glad you still like yours. Thin socks for a while and I think you'll be OK.
Hey Ddreadster! So glad you're enjoying your boots. The leather will naturally give with time and wear. What may help is to wear the boots a few hours a day in your home so you can slowly break them in!
I just bought a pair of the Vanguards. I don’t think there’s a better value boot anywhere for the money. Beautiful boots.
Excellent review Nick. I always look forward to seeing a notification pop up regarding one of your latest productions available on You Tube. This one did not disappoint. You do a great job of discussing the various pros and cons of Thursday’s Vanguard Boot. I really like the look and texture of the leather, which appears similar to an Allen Edmond’s Normandy Boot I recently purchased. The AE Normandy boot is quickly becoming one of my favorites, thus, I can see why you are excited about The Vanguard Boot, which comes in at around $100 less than the AE Normandy. It sounds like you really did an exhaustive “road test” on the Vanguard and from all appearances they seem to have held up quite well. I’m curious if you foresee Thursday making more of its boots in the U.S? If so, it would seem like Thursday would need to partner with a major U.S. Footwear manufacturer to pull it off. What are your thoughts as to what direction Thursday might be going? Getting back to the review, I think you covered all the bases quite adequately. Another fine Stridewise production! Well done...
Thanks, Ed! I think Thursday's $199 boots are like a big deal for them but they might do more American made stuff. For now though I think they're focusing more on apparel - they made the jacket I wear in this video and I think they're working on more clothing items
Just picked up this exact pair, I have a pair of captains and I got them true to my sneaker size and there are just a hair big so I wen a half size down on the vanguards. Looking forward to putting them through the paces this fall/winter
Wooo thanks for the great review! Always a pleasure to watch one of your vids
Glad to see you back in the comments, Lu!
What's the difference between the Captain and this? Other than it being made in America, where is the extra markup going? There is already no shank in this, so to me the Captain in Burnt Copper leather would be a better option.
These do have a shank actually. The extra cost is just for the labor in the US, otherwise pretty similar but I mention the differences with the captain in the video and written review. Mostly the Vanguards don't have the EVA strip.
This is the video that got me to buy a pair of Thursdays👌
Awesome dude, glad to be of use!
Great video man, thanks! You have a great channel and I appreciate all the work you do and wisdom you give.
Means a ton!
Thank you! I've been waiting for this video!!!
These are rugged! Love the colour
Going crazy for boots this season
Get after it!
Great review and good looking boot. Nick! Should I go down a half size or stick with my regular shoe size...sounds like these are pretty tight going down a half size??
Yeah I think regular size is best for these
Perfect timing as I've literally got a pair of French Roast in my cart but not a lot of reviews on the Vanguard! I'm also between a 11.5-12 in size and this made me reconsider getting an 11D. Interested to know which boot you like more between this and the Captain! Thanks
The Captain is sort of a more exciting boot with the EVA strip, like it feels like something very different while these feel more traditional. It depends on what you like.
Great review! touched upon everything this potential buyer was looking for. Thank you!
Is tough to tell if these boots are really good, or if they're just really good at their marketing...
J G A cobbler (Trenton and Hearth I think) took the standard captain made in Mexico boots and actually really liked the build quality.
Pros included: a full leather liner when many boots at higher prices would have a 3/4 leather lining.
They use a real leather heel block. Many manufacturers use a wood or even a plastic heel block.
The heel pad and heel sole is glued and tacked on very strongly; they aren’t going to fall off.
They have a high quality 360 Goodyear welt so sole replacements are easier.
Another great review brother. I got the captain and am definitely getting this.
Right on Brandon!
You took the right colour boots to the wadi rum desert. I went there with some merrels and I could see the red sand in them 10 years later. How quickly does the poron get compressed or lose cushion? Once it does maybe there will be space so can you put another thin poron insole on top.
You said it’s not as slim as the Captain in the introduction but also later that you found it too snug in the same size as the Captain and wish you got true to size. How come it’s not as slim as the Captain but also more snug? Thanks.
I got these boots and so far they're my favorite.
So glad to hear! Enjoy :)
@@Thursdayboots Speaking of which, any chance you guys will work on a vegan variants for men as I see that you already have some for women?
@@grav3h3art - It is something we are considering. Please be on the lookout :)
Curious if you've heard any other feedback in vanguard sizing? I have two pairs of captains in brandy and Old English and they fit extremely comfortably, but I do have to loosen the laces of bit to wear boot socks and prefer a bit more toe room.I size down 1/2 size as Thursday recommended on my captains and I'm about to pull a trigger on some burnt copper vanguard's and wanted your fellow up opinion on comfort. Do you still think that you would have preferred to go true size on the Vanguard model? Thanks much. Your videos are superb and have been very helpful in my purchasing and care decisions.
There are a lot of comments on this video from people agreeing with my concerns on sizing, and yeah I would recommend going true to size. Worth reaching out and asking if they've changed the last/sizing since I did this video just to double check but if not go TTS!
Great review as always. The Vanguard Horween French Roast/Color #8 have thicker leather. However the construction is pretty consistent. You can't beat the price for that level of expertise/quality.
Agreed, James
Just curious…why did you choose the rugged and resilient vanguard over the Horween leathers? Is that just what they sent you?
Hello sir, love your reviews. Copped the Vanguards after watching your reviews over n over. I had them for over a year and wear them over my Vibergs, Truman’s, and Aldens. Absolutely my daily wear. Do you recommend using a saddle soap to clean and condition? Thank you.
Hey Jay, so glad you like them!! I'd agree they feel better than Vibergs and Trumans, I think I like my Aldens a bit more for comfort but they're not as versatile as the Vanguards. I haven't used Saddle Soap ever, which I know is crazy. I'm going to try it on my Iron Rangers some time, but for now I can't speak to it!
Hey Nick, I was thinking of buying either Thursday Vanguards or Red Wing Merchants. What do you suggest? In terms of Cost, there is not a big difference (RW Merchant costs 60 USD more) right? I would really appreciate your opinion on that. Thanks
Hmm. Red Wing is super long lasting, though it isn't as comfy in my experience, the arch support/shock absorption isn't as good as Thursday. Red Wing's leather is easier to take care of but it doesn't have as much luster. It is tough, it's just matte.
@@Stridewise thanks you for your opinion. I think i might go this time for RW merchants, Though vanguard seems to be really nice as well.
Thank you for addressing the size. That was the last thing that for the life of me I could not find an opinion on outside of the company lol
Yeah I feel like I'm going crazy the only guy who finds them true to size hahah
Very thorough review, but what about the toe? it looks quite constructed compared to Captain's. thanks
I have the captains. Good shoes, but the sole gets really hard after half a year, and I am really not a fan of the pointy toe aesthetic.
I have a pair of Thursday diplomats, and the leather IS kind of thin, and it DOES scuff up pretty easily (they polish up easily) but they are nice comfortable, semi-casual dress boots. But for work I almost daily hike outdoors in a variety of terrains 6-12 miles a day so I don't believe they'd hold up very well. I have worn Chippewas , Aldens, Redwing Iron Rangers and others but I think these may have to be my next boot.
Oh you got them in the same leather? Yeah I mean it does get beat up easily but I feel like that's the point of the leather, like it looks better as it looks uglier. I think I said that in the review. The leather is thinner than Red Wings, I think that makes them more versatile/fashionable, like easier to wear in urban environments but I definitely see why you'd want something thicker when you're going hiking.
@@Stridewise I went ahead and bought a pair of the Captains in the Arizona Adobe Rugged & Resilient Leather. I have to admit I really like them. They seem comparable to my Iron Rangers, but don't have that "clown shoe" look about them. I haven't put them through the grinder yet (They look way too good at the moment . ;)) but once I do, I'll leave an update.
I'm just waiting till a review comes out for the thursday logger
I ordered the Vanguards in waxed cacao. Beautiful leather but there was puckering around the whole welt (holes forming where the stitching is like if it’s ripping through). I was so bummed and returned. Then they sent me another pair that was worse! A manager reached out to me after and she said that she spoke to the factory manager or whoever and said it was normal...? Ha! I said “yea normal for you guys but nobody else”. Such a let down and their shipping takes 2 weeks So a month in total!
Puckering is something I never spent enough time looking out for. Sorry for the experience, Anthony!
How does this copper leather compare to the Copper Rough & Tough Red Wing leather? I assume it's sort of a similar tanning process and a similar use-case for the boots.
I’ve been watching tons of your videos. Love them, but would like to see more styles reviewed such as engineer boots (Frye, Welco, Ranch Road) and maybe Tecovas boots and some other styles.
This year I want to do a lot more chelseas, which are more popular and would make more sense for me like, traffic wise. But engineer boots are on the to do list! It's a big world out there.
You finally reviewed the Vanguards! :D
Yeah I really don't pay as much attention to Thursday as I should haha but I really like this boot
@@Stridewise I'm glad you did because I've been eyeing these Burnt Copper Vanguards for a while now. Will you be reviewing some of their other styles as well? Also, are you planning on reviewing dress shoes in the future?
I'm trying to stay in the more ruggedy men's fashion area for now, like I want to review denim and jackets and stuff. Maybe dress shoes in the future!
@@Stridewise Nice, I remember the video you released recently in which you bought the hoodies, denim, and watches. Any hints as to which you are going to review first?
If I had a pair of Thursday boots in black and wanted to put on some protectant, could I use Obenaufs oil or LP? I don't care if it gets darker because it will be black anyways. Thanks for your help!
I got these because of the overwhelmingly high praise Thursday Boots have among the youtube community. Sadly my experience was terrible. Ordered a pair of the vanguards 3 weeks ago and the 1st pair had a melted portion on the welt of the sole. Reached out to them and they offered an exchange. 2nd pair just came in today but it had a worse defect. The part of the heel where it meets the sole had a crack on it. After all the hassle they offered a measly $10 gift card which can be used when purchasing another product. Other companies offered way better compensation for lesser issues. At this point, I'm beginning to think that all these positive reviews were paid promotions.
Great review. Definitely looking at picking these up in French Roast. How would you say they compare to Iron Rangers, in terms of sizing? My IRs are a US 12/D. Would you say I'd be beet picking up a 12 in these, too?
Sizing needs to be right from the word go, as return shipping from the UK could get a little pricy.
I'm an 11 in Iron Rangers and 11.5 in Vanguards, so I'd suggest going up a half size. Double check with Thursday that they haven't changed the sizing since I made the video though ;)
I just ordered a pair in black. It looks like the toe is slightly more rounded than captains. Is this true?
Hi Nick. Mate, did you find this leather very similar to the Chippewa service boot Crazy Horse leather?
Nice. First and foremost, I look for quality, comfort and style. Once that is met, I try to purchase shoes made in the US. Like Germans, Canadians and other nation’s citizens... I understand that large trade deficits are not good for long term prosperity and jobs. I really appreciate that you take the time to review shoes and give us your knowledgeable opinion. Quality shoes are extremely important to the health of our feet, knees, legs and yes even our backs. If a individual learns to take care of their shoes, they can last a lifetime and rather than throw the shoes away as they are worn, take or send them to a quality shoe Cobbler and keep for a very long time. I’ve found that most American made shoes are very, very good. The older the design, quite often the longer the break in period. Red wing boots, in particular seem to take a good long time to truly break in. I have a pair of American made Redwings that were just under $300. They have a wedge sole and are in between a Chukka and a 6”. They have been the most uncomfortable work boot I’ve ever owned. Now, as I’ve aged, I’ve needed significantly better arch support and more padding in the shoe. As we age, most of us loose the fat/padding on our feet and also our arches begin to break down if we don’t wear shoes that provide that support. For example, at 26, I wore a 9 d. Today I wear a 10 d or 10 E. 40 years ago it was common to have shoe stores measure your arch and then install (glue in place) arch support cookies. Back then they were often rubber or leather. It helped a lot if you had large arches.
Anyway, thank you for the review and your insights.
Nice review. Thank you! I'm still not sure which size to get... How wide is your foot in cm? Is the EVA in the Captains replaceable?
Good video and great boots. You should of chose the French roast version imo. Much better looking boot.
Seems weird to do another video on the same boot with a different leather, like most of the video would be the same! I do keep getting requests to do that though.
Awesome video and review. I just ordered the same ones today and look forward to them. I have bought other boots from Thursday's and feel these ones will be a great addition! Also..... new subscriber
Thanks for subscribing Scott! Stoked you liked it. Remember to order a half size bigger than Captains with Vanguards
Great Video! Would you consider these as a more rugged/outdoorsy version of the Captain?
Yeah but to be fair the Captain comes in leathers like Arizona Adobe that are pretty tough and outdoorsy as well. The main difference is they're American made and they have a more traditional type of construction (like without the EVA footbed)
Are you compensated by Thursday? Just wondering...
Since I started the channel we've talked about working on an ad together, but nothing has happened yet
Planning to buy a pair of Thursday Boot Majors and I normally wear a size US9 in Jordan 1s (I'm a 9.5 on the Brannock device). What size should i get for the Majors? Thanks
A couple questions: I don't have any boots in chromexcel. As far as the leathers outside the rough and ready ones, would you recommend going with horween or Thursday's in house tannery based on your experience? Also, I work outside in a lot of mud. Do you think the leather from this video would be substantially better than the other leathers on offer for getting muddied up and hosed down? Is this model substantially tougher than the president/captain, etc. in your experience?
I'd say yes it's better for getting muddy than the other leathers. As for Chromexcel versus Thursday leather, honestly I think it's worth getting a pair of nice Chromexcel boots. It's the most famous boot leather there is. That said I think it creases more easily than Thursday's leather, at least in my experience.
I wish they did these boots in the Arizona Adobe R&R Leather.
Me too
What trousers are you rocking? Grey Chino pants? Thanks 🙏
how is the sizing compared to the iron rnagers? im a 10 in iron rangers a 11 in sneakers cus i got quite wide feet so im a little confused
Other than made in US, is there enough difference between these and the captains to justify the + USD65 price? You can also get the same leather in the captains. what would you reccomend?
The Vanguard is a little shorter and the leather's a little thicker. It's a little more rugged feeling but both are great
@@Stridewise Thank you for the answer. These will be my first Thursday boots. I decided I wanted to try the boot that launched Thursday and go with the captain.
Can some of these attributes be applied to any of the rugged and resilient boots from the company? Or is it specifically only the fully American made stuff?
Yes, it can be! I think the leather is all the same on the rugged and resilient boots, like tanned the same way
How’s the arch support. That’s the most important aspect for me.
AHHH-CHESS
I’ve worn em enough to say that I wish I could fit a higher arch insole in there, but it’s not bad at all.
I was honestly sore a few times back further toward heel. But this is 12+ hrs of wear in a shipyard walking around.
Marc Possoff... I think you have a comment on every shoe-related video on TH-cam ever.
Great review. Would you be willing to do a review for Thursday's Chelsea Boots?
Yep I have two pairs! Will review soon
@@Stridewise Looking forward to it!
Thursday need to make it easier to buy these in the UK!
Hi Nick, I've been wearing 8.5 sneakers. I've ordered a Thursday Boot Chukka and still have about an 1" of toe room. Then, recently got an actual feet measurements and I'm actually size 7...on Captain do you think I'll be on going with 7.5? Thanks in advance!
If you're a 7 on a Brannocok device I'd go with a 7 or a 6.5 with the Vanguards. Maybe start with a 7?
I would love to get the vanguards, but they don't offer them in wide size like the captains 😒
I really enjoy my Vanguards, but it's odd how my right boot is breaking in differently than my left. The left is taking longer and the wrinkles in the leather are much finer, while the right has become much softer and the wrinkles are larger and more pronounced. I'm not a boot expert so I'm not sure what this is about, but it's noticeable. Overall though I like them and Thursday's customer service is top notch.
I’ve had the same “issue”
So I have these exact pair. And I'm about to clean them but I'm not sure if to use a conditioner on them. They have scratches that I would like to minimize as possible. What would you recommend? I just order an imperial venetian leather balm.
It's tough with this leather because Thursday themselves really kind of told me they don't condition it, it's not meant to need much conditioning. I'd go with neatsfoot oil myself and see what happens. Giving it a vigorous brush should help with scratches.
Please review Cobbler union. Specifically their Winchester boot, how does it compare to Thursday captain boot for a dress boot
Oh, and maybe a Red Wing Sheldon review? I was looking at getting some Iron Rangers but then I saw the Sheldons and they appealed to me more; they looked a little more "dressy" to me.
Iron rangers are far from dressy
May i just ask how did you lighten the colour of these? The colour is a lot lighter when they come out of the box
Your comment on sizing is interesting. I wear a 9 in AE 65 last, but in the Captains 8.5 works for me. Looks like I may have to go with 9 on these.
I've got like half the people in the comments agreeing and half disagreeing on the sizing :/
Thanks for your review. Do you think that this and captain boots look good with chinos and khaki pants?
Chinos and khakis? This particular leather is a bit rugged tbh but there are dressier leathers in both shoes
how would you compare the sizing to an iron ranger ? Would you stay the same size as the iron ranger or go up 1/2 size ?
Go up half a size for the Vanguards.
Hi great video. Can you tell me what the sizing is like please? I'm in the UK and don't want to order the wrong size
They're true to size with American sizes. So in the US I'm 11.5 on a Brannock device and these are 11.5.
You should review the cadet boots!
How would you compare the Captain and the Vanguard - which is best for different people/purpose?
I say it all in this video, the main difference is that the Captain has a squishier insole, it feels a little more sneaker like while the Vanguard feels more like a traditional American boot. So it depends on your preference - Nick
Great now im not shure should i go for this or Iron ranges. How do they shipp to Europe?
i have considered buying an american made version of the thursday boot for about a year. my size 12 was waitlisted a year running! all but possibly one leather in my size has been out of stock for months. im like i want to give you my money but nothing is restocked. has anyone else had this problem? customer service just said maybe soon then the last two times ive reached out no response at all. what gives?
That sucks! I don't know how to help you out. Keep bugging 'em, maybe ask for a refund, go looking on eBay? I don't know hey.
Are these similar to the loggers? Are they built the same I really wanna get the loggers :)
Vanguards and Logers use the same 1776 last.
Have used the redwing leather cream on my Arizona adobe rough and tough leather and it darkened slightly, changed the texture a bit.... but looks great.
Good to know! It's so confusing when you're told a leather just doesn't need conditioner haha