Guys, I'm greek and I understood 95% of all you said ! I guess I missed the rest 5% probably for accent reasons.. After 30 seconds i stopped reading the subtitles ! You do amazing work !!
Absolutely fantastic! It is the first time I hear people talking like this. I only hear Koine Greek in our Church and read it in the Holy Bible, but in everyday conversation is so funny! Sometimes my husband and I are trying to speak like this in frond of our kids so they can't understand us, but they DO...
They are using the reconstructed attic pronunciation, albeit with their own accent and without the pitch accent, which is most probably the closest thing that we have in regards to what ancient Greek would have sounded like until early Koine in regards to how each letter was pronounced. Though from the way the language flows in a bit of an awkward way I still think that we certainly miss some aspects.
This channel is such a joy, it's amazing to see you having such a fluent conversation. I can use my Greek A-level knowledge from 1983 (!) to get the gist of most of what's said, despite getting lost occasionally :)
Fantastic. I cannot write in ancient Greek but I could follow most of the conversation, and I love how you are having fun, joking etc. Makes it feel so alive. Looks like a fantastic book - it would be interesting to know more about the process he has gone through to compile it. And it would also be interesting to have a digital resource where you could click directly into the texts mentioned. But fantastic - something for my Christmas wish list! :)
I was struggling to find Ancient Greek words for modern things. Some like “ηλικοπτρον” were simplicity itself. Most were more difficult. Some extremely hard. I found one reference that listed “ταινα” as scarf, and “ταινιδιον” as “a colored ribbon worn for decoration” (a good description for a “necktie”) Sadly I couldn’t locate it again to list the reference. My feeble list is nothing compared to “Φαρος”. I’ve compared my list to your entries and all are the same. Now to learn how to speak as well as you two. Ευχαριστώ πολύ!
how the heck is that possible? I understood almost everything. I was never a good student in ancient greek, i certainly do not know how to write an ancient Greek sentence
because these two were not using Erasmian pronunciation. They were using a more natural, almost modern Greek pronunciation which makes the language sound more fluid, natural and is somewhat comprehensible for modern Greek speakers.
Thank you so much for this magnificent video. I am born and raised Greek but i was born kind of dumb and i don't know how to properly express myself. So i don't know if this will make sense. Always struggled with the accent of foreigners when they speak Ancient. But this here is different. I could catch most of it. I have noticed that when i understand Ancient Greek, the speaker always sounds like Cypriot Greek to my ears. The same applies to Griko speaking Italian people. I catch much of it. But in many other cases, when i hear a foreign scholar speak Ancient Greek i struggle to understand what they are saying. Like i would not even catch names that i know from 5 years old, and i am 47 now. Thucydides name alone has caused me several mini episodes of absolute confusion. The K becomes C but i was used to that. But they also change the tone. Instead of Thu-kee-DEE-dees, they would say Thu-CEE-dee-dees. In some videos my beloved Stephen Fry completely obliterates some names. Like, he annihilates some of them. But he realizes that pronunciation of Ancient Greek is a complex matter and he apologizes beforehand. With text i do much much better. By reading again and again Ancient Greek texts with the modern Greek translation on the next page, i managed to evolve. But i have to say, i only managed that because Ancient texts cover so many different areas. I can read poems, philosophy, history and history of war, geography..If i had to read only about a specific subject, i would probably lose interest. These days i am reading Strabo/Stravon and his Geographika. His description of my local area is 100% spot on! And he never talks just about Geography. He talks mostly about myths, customs of the people, how they dress, how they got their name, how they won their land and who they had to defeat, etc. It fascinates me. Not in a silly egocentric and Greek centric way. I devour all stuff from all cultures. We would need ten lives to properly study all these magnificent ancient cultures. Any way, i wish i could understand why i understand one Ancient speaking person and not the next one. I have seen some videos about Erasmian and non Erasmian pronunciation, but as a dumb person i found the explanations to be too complex for me to understand. In any case, i am not anxious about solving this. My passion is about understanding Ancient Greek culture. And i can do that by simply reading everything in modern Greek. But Ancient Greek has this weird almost mystic magnetism on me.. Thank you again for this fantastic video. My love and respect to both of you.
Πολύ καλο βιντεο! Κατάλαβα αρκετό ποσοστο των λεγόμενων με την χρήση υποτίτλων. Αναρωτίεμαι αν έχετε την ίδια ευκολία κατανόησης Νεοελληνικών κειμένων / σχολίων.
On the cluelessness of us USAmericans due to our monoglot population: USAmerican: "What language do you speak?" Greek native: "Helleniké." USAmerican: "It's all Greek to me."
Do you teach Koine Greek or Classical Greek in your classes? This video says to learn one at a time, but it sounds like most of the sources for this book are koine, right?
Well, with an hour every day you will improve very fast. You will be able to read and understand a lot of the New Testament, a book written in koine, hellenistic greek, a simplified form of ancient greek. You will be also able to understand some modern greek, as, in this language, many words have not change for thousants of years.
@@vassilisbabaletakis3488that is true...I live in Dodecanissa and local people speak a language very close to the language of gospels...they also use pre greek forms inside words: not ...κ...but...κχ, not ...π...but...πφ...and not...τ...but...τθ...
Koine, taken in the broad sense of the term. "Biblical Greek" and "New Testament Greek" are essentially marketing terms. The Greek of Luke and Paul is the same Koine as the pagans were writing, albeit spiced up by phrases from the LXX (a Greek translation of Hebrew Scriptures so literal as to be awkward in many places). Literary Koine was not far removed from Attic, and this lexicon also indicates which words and phrases appeared in 5th- and 4th-century BC Attic prose.
@@adrianhundhausen2522Thank you so much. 🙏 My son will be turning five years old and starting his “kindergarten” homeschooling lessons in just a couple months. This book is going to be SO much help for teaching him his vocabulary words for his grammar studies. This is exactly what I’ve been wishing for and at the perfect time! 😃 🙏 I am so thankful!
@@jodown5584 Nice to hear that! I think you will find the book quite useful. Just be aware that this guide really is complete and encyclopedic, so there is a page or two in the chapter on human biology/physiology that I wouldn't put in the curriculum in elementary school 🙈😁 BTW another book has recently been released that might be good for your purposes: Logos, Lingua Greca. All in Greek but from the beginning with pictures. Best of luck to your son!💪
@@adrianhundhausen2522 😂 Thank you for the warning! And thank you so much for putting together such a useful tool. 🙏 It feels like the world is about to experience another Renaissance, with the Greek language and mind being more accessible than ever for the common man, due to the work being done by people like yourself. ☺ I can't wait for my copy of the book to arrive! 😃
Ήδομαι μεν ακούων την γνησίαν ελληνικήν φωνήν, οχληρον δε μοι χρησθαι υμας τη ερασμια προφορά. Ει γαρ κληθησοίμην λαλείν περί είδους ανθρώπου γεγονότος ενενήκοντα ετών, ουκ αν ειποιμι τουτον ειναι ως εφαίνετο προ εβδομηκονταετιας αλλά ως φαίνεται νυν, πολιόν τε και αυχμηρόν. Πέραν τούτου, αναμνήσθε οτι ο ιωτακισμός ηρχετο ηδη απο του 3ου αιώνος π.Χ (το "ει" εν αρχή) και υμεις χρησθε τη κοινή ελληνική, ή καθιερώθη μεταγενεστερον
As a proud owner of the book, and as someone who favors Attic, I can tell you, you should still buy it: more than 75% of the lemmas listed are also Attic. Where a term is Koine only is clearly specified.
Hearing ancient greek with a german accent . The problem with foreign speakers who try to speak modern or ancient greek is that they cant pronounce letters like Δ or Θ properly.
Have you ever thought that ancient Greek was learnt by a lot of not Greeks and that probably there was not an ideal Greek pronunciated language? Besides the fact that there were many Greek dialects. Latin and Greek were the English of those centuries. What's the proper English to learn now? The Californian one, the BBC one, the Australian one, the Jamaican one? They all sound differently.
@@christophjasinski4804 Interesting note, the times on this present vid that both the interviewer and the writer MISS on the Erasmian spelling (thus pronouncing the phthongs correctly), are quite a lot. Erasmian is not only ugly sounding, it's so hard to spell that most of the time your tongue will just refuse to obey.
@@ddpmk355 Then it may have seemed much more unfamiliar to medieval Dutch speakers, such as Erasmus... But just to save you from guessing at how ugly would Erasmian have sounded to ancient Greeks, there's this specific condition in phonology that the Greeks notoriously disliked and preferred to steer well clear of - it's called Χασμωδία (vowel hiatus). Now, keeping in mind what Χασμωδία was, can you perhaps pronounce for us the word Αἰάντειος in Erasmian??
Oh God...not THAT thing again. Ok, I'll try to explain ONE MORE TIME. When you see the letters οι, ει, αι, υι, ου, they are NOT read or pronounced as two separate letters but as ONE letter. For example the word είμαι (I am) is NOT pronounced as e-i-ma-i but as ee-me. You know the Greek language is STILL alive and not that far away from the ancient form in the pronunciation and orthography. It's more than 95% the same. Please stop pronouncing those letters separate because it is brutal to the sounding of our language and let's be honest. You are NOT speaking Greek (old or new) this way. This thing started as a prank a couple of hundred years ago and it HAS to stop.
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Guys, I'm greek and I understood 95% of all you said ! I guess I missed the rest 5% probably for accent reasons.. After 30 seconds i stopped reading the subtitles ! You do amazing work !!
I have never heard someone speak Ancient Greek with such fluency!!! Bravo!!!
Absolutely fantastic! It is the first time I hear people talking like this. I only hear Koine Greek in our Church and read it in the Holy Bible, but in everyday conversation is so funny! Sometimes my husband and I are trying to speak like this in frond of our kids so they can't understand us, but they DO...
Εxcellent , Greek being my mother tongue , i could follow quite a lot of your conversation, its amazing how this sacred language has survived ..
Thank you for the dual language subtitles! This is the only channel I can find of people speaking Ancient Greek like this.
Thank you for not using Erasmian pronunciation. I could actually understand what you were saying. Kudos!
I think they unfortunatly use erasmian , but not so strong.
They still use erasmian is some words its bad
They are using the reconstructed attic pronunciation, albeit with their own accent and without the pitch accent, which is most probably the closest thing that we have in regards to what ancient Greek would have sounded like until early Koine in regards to how each letter was pronounced. Though from the way the language flows in a bit of an awkward way I still think that we certainly miss some aspects.
They are using erasmian ancient grammar and more modern Greek
@@lefterismagkoutas4430
They pronounce φ as [f], not [pʰ], for example. So not really the reconstructed pronunciation.
Congrats to you both! Impressive and that's from someone who's Greek.
This channel is such a joy, it's amazing to see you having such a fluent conversation. I can use my Greek A-level knowledge from 1983 (!) to get the gist of most of what's said, despite getting lost occasionally :)
Ἀρέσκει μοὶ πολλά! Δοκεῖ μοὶ κάλλιστον βιβλίον!
Fantastic. I cannot write in ancient Greek but I could follow most of the conversation, and I love how you are having fun, joking etc. Makes it feel so alive. Looks like a fantastic book - it would be interesting to know more about the process he has gone through to compile it. And it would also be interesting to have a digital resource where you could click directly into the texts mentioned. But fantastic - something for my Christmas wish list! :)
Εύγε! ΚΥΔΟΣ!!!
Τρέχω νῦν πρὸς καπηλεῖον ἵνα τὸ βιβλίον ἀγοράσωμαι. Χάριν ὑμῖν δίδωμι!
Τρεχεις προς καπηλειον ινα αγορασεις βιβλιον η μηπως οινον?
Χθὲς ἦλθεν ἐμοὶ τὸ βιβλίον. Ἔστιν ἀληθῶς θαυμάσιον.
μεγάλως χαίρω τοῦτο ἀναγινώσκων, ὦ Παῦλε
I love that his name is "Hundhausen" (Dog Houses in German) and he's holding a cat the whole time :)
"Hunde"="Κύων" (e.g. Procyon).
"Heim" relates to the verb "κείμαι"= to lie down, to exist somewhere
I have the book. Amazing work, thank you!
Great! Non Erasmian pronunciation helps a lot to understand nearly 95% of what they say.
I was struggling to find Ancient Greek words for modern things. Some like “ηλικοπτρον” were simplicity itself. Most were more difficult. Some extremely hard. I found one reference that listed “ταινα” as scarf, and “ταινιδιον” as “a colored ribbon worn for decoration” (a good description for a “necktie”) Sadly I couldn’t locate it again to list the reference. My feeble list is nothing compared to “Φαρος”. I’ve compared my list to your entries and all are the same. Now to learn how to speak as well as you two. Ευχαριστώ πολύ!
παραδείγματος ένεκεν... love it!
how the heck is that possible? I understood almost everything. I was never a good student in ancient greek, i certainly do not know how to write an ancient Greek sentence
because these two were not using Erasmian pronunciation. They were using a more natural, almost modern Greek pronunciation which makes the language sound more fluid, natural and is somewhat comprehensible for modern Greek speakers.
Με τα σχολεία έχετε επαφή;
Υπέροχοι!
Thank you so much for this magnificent video. I am born and raised Greek but i was born kind of dumb and i don't know how to properly express myself. So i don't know if this will make sense. Always struggled with the accent of foreigners when they speak Ancient. But this here is different. I could catch most of it. I have noticed that when i understand Ancient Greek, the speaker always sounds like Cypriot Greek to my ears. The same applies to Griko speaking Italian people. I catch much of it. But in many other cases, when i hear a foreign scholar speak Ancient Greek i struggle to understand what they are saying. Like i would not even catch names that i know from 5 years old, and i am 47 now. Thucydides name alone has caused me several mini episodes of absolute confusion. The K becomes C but i was used to that. But they also change the tone. Instead of Thu-kee-DEE-dees, they would say Thu-CEE-dee-dees. In some videos my beloved Stephen Fry completely obliterates some names. Like, he annihilates some of them. But he realizes that pronunciation of Ancient Greek is a complex matter and he apologizes beforehand.
With text i do much much better. By reading again and again Ancient Greek texts with the modern Greek translation on the next page, i managed to evolve. But i have to say, i only managed that because Ancient texts cover so many different areas. I can read poems, philosophy, history and history of war, geography..If i had to read only about a specific subject, i would probably lose interest. These days i am reading Strabo/Stravon and his Geographika. His description of my local area is 100% spot on! And he never talks just about Geography. He talks mostly about myths, customs of the people, how they dress, how they got their name, how they won their land and who they had to defeat, etc. It fascinates me. Not in a silly egocentric and Greek centric way. I devour all stuff from all cultures. We would need ten lives to properly study all these magnificent ancient cultures.
Any way, i wish i could understand why i understand one Ancient speaking person and not the next one. I have seen some videos about Erasmian and non Erasmian pronunciation, but as a dumb person i found the explanations to be too complex for me to understand.
In any case, i am not anxious about solving this. My passion is about understanding Ancient Greek culture. And i can do that by simply reading everything in modern Greek. But Ancient Greek has this weird almost mystic magnetism on me..
Thank you again for this fantastic video. My love and respect to both of you.
@4.41 and 4.49 I heard the word the word απόπατον which my father used when referring to the toilet.
Same here 😂
Μέγιστον εφαίνετο τὸ βιβλίον πρίν με ιδεῖν αυτὸ μᾶλλον εγγύτατα τῆς καμέρας! Ώιμην χερσὶ γίγαντος άξιον πριάσθαι βιβλίον...
Χαῖρε, πόθεν εἶ;
@@oraetlabora1922 Διὰ τί ερωτᾶις; Άτοπόν τι έγραψα;
ναί, μέγα ἐστὶ τὸ βιβλίον ὅτι καὶ ἡ ἑλληνικὴ γλῶττα μεγάλη ἐστίν :)
@@MenelmacarLG Διὰ περιεργίαν. Ἄτοπον οὐδὲν ἔγραφας.
@@oraetlabora1922 Ἁπλῶς αποκρίνει. Εν τῆι Αμερίκηι καλουμένηι κατοικῶ. Τί δὲ περί σου; Ποῦ ἡ οικία; Καὶ πόθεν Ἑλληνίζειν έμαθες;
Total respect.
Πολύ καλο βιντεο!
Κατάλαβα αρκετό ποσοστο των λεγόμενων με την χρήση υποτίτλων.
Αναρωτίεμαι αν έχετε την ίδια ευκολία κατανόησης Νεοελληνικών κειμένων / σχολίων.
Εύγε
On the cluelessness of us USAmericans due to our monoglot population:
USAmerican: "What language do you speak?"
Greek native: "Helleniké."
USAmerican: "It's all Greek to me."
καλῶς!
As a greek this is awesome although the accent sounds suspiciously like the Cyprus accent
ἄρτι ἀγοράσας τοῦτο τὸ βιβλίον περιμένω προθύμως παραλαβεῖν ἀπὸ τοῦ ΑΜΑΖΟΝ ἵνα ἄρξωμαι ἀναγιγνώσκειν αὐτό. Δοκεῖ μοι ἐπαγωγόν εἶναι.
Do you teach Koine Greek or Classical Greek in your classes? This video says to learn one at a time, but it sounds like most of the sources for this book are koine, right?
Γιατί δεν μας τα μάθανε έτσι στο σχολείο;
Does anyone have a podcast of Alexander the Great’s lessons with Aristotle? 🤓
No macrons in the text, right? Why?
I still wonder what’s the fastest way to learn AG. Still going the Modern Greek route?
Also how far can you go with 1h every day for a year?
Well, with an hour every day you will improve very fast. You will be able to read and understand a lot of the New Testament, a book written in koine, hellenistic greek, a simplified form of ancient greek. You will be also able to understand some modern greek, as, in this language, many words have not change for thousants of years.
@@vassilisbabaletakis3488that is true...I live in Dodecanissa and local people speak a language very close to the language of gospels...they also use pre greek forms inside words: not ...κ...but...κχ, not ...π...but...πφ...and not...τ...but...τθ...
Don't learn modern Greek if you want to learn ancient Greek, just focus on one.
❤📜🏛️❤🙏🏼
The pronounce is a little wrong αι=ε and οι =ι if you want to pronounce separately the 2 letters there is a sign αϊ and οϊ
in koine Greek they were pronounced separately, what you say applies to Byzantine Greek
@@TMPOUZI thank you for the information
@@TMPOUZI Erasmian pronounce is wrong
Η ερασμιακή προφορά ακούγεται πολύ "περίεργα" σε εμάς τους Νεοέλληνες!!!🌞🇬🇷
ἀρέσκει
Ωραία είναι.
Αλλά το συντακτικό είναι νεοελληνικό.
Το αρχαίο είναι λίαν σύνθετο.
Με πολλές μετοχές.
Γιατί βάζετε διαλυτικά στους διφθόγγους?
Η προφορά που χρησιμοποιούν λέγεται Ερασμιακή προφορά ή Ητακισμός..
διοτι τους παρεσυρε εκεινος ο γελοιος ο Ερασμος...
Ερασμιακή προφορά... Και το "η" το διαβάζουν "ε".
γαλέη-γαλή is the ancient greek word for cat
Girl pronounces αυ like o, man pronounces αυ like af/v. Am I hearing this correctly?
English: wotah
American: water
If you understand - that's the right way to pronounce
Is this biblical, Koine?
Koine, taken in the broad sense of the term. "Biblical Greek" and "New Testament Greek" are essentially marketing terms. The Greek of Luke and Paul is the same Koine as the pagans were writing, albeit spiced up by phrases from the LXX (a Greek translation of Hebrew Scriptures so literal as to be awkward in many places). Literary Koine was not far removed from Attic, and this lexicon also indicates which words and phrases appeared in 5th- and 4th-century BC Attic prose.
@@adrianhundhausen2522Thank you so much. 🙏 My son will be turning five years old and starting his “kindergarten” homeschooling lessons in just a couple months. This book is going to be SO much help for teaching him his vocabulary words for his grammar studies.
This is exactly what I’ve been wishing for and at the perfect time! 😃 🙏 I am so thankful!
@@jodown5584 Nice to hear that! I think you will find the book quite useful. Just be aware that this guide really is complete and encyclopedic, so there is a page or two in the chapter on human biology/physiology that I wouldn't put in the curriculum in elementary school 🙈😁 BTW another book has recently been released that might be good for your purposes: Logos, Lingua Greca. All in Greek but from the beginning with pictures. Best of luck to your son!💪
@@adrianhundhausen2522 😂 Thank you for the warning! And thank you so much for putting together such a useful tool. 🙏 It feels like the world is about to experience another Renaissance, with the Greek language and mind being more accessible than ever for the common man, due to the work being done by people like yourself. ☺
I can't wait for my copy of the book to arrive! 😃
@@jodown5584 also try googling Koinegreek kids :)
Ήδομαι μεν ακούων την γνησίαν ελληνικήν φωνήν, οχληρον δε μοι χρησθαι υμας τη ερασμια προφορά. Ει γαρ κληθησοίμην λαλείν περί είδους ανθρώπου γεγονότος ενενήκοντα ετών, ουκ αν ειποιμι τουτον ειναι ως εφαίνετο προ εβδομηκονταετιας αλλά ως φαίνεται νυν, πολιόν τε και αυχμηρόν. Πέραν τούτου, αναμνήσθε οτι ο ιωτακισμός ηρχετο ηδη απο του 3ου αιώνος π.Χ (το "ει" εν αρχή) και υμεις χρησθε τη κοινή ελληνική, ή καθιερώθη μεταγενεστερον
Κατάλαβα τα πάντα χωρίς κανέναν απολύτως υπότιτλο
Congratulations on this mammoth achievement. But Tip No. 1 is enough not to buy this Koine-heavy book so as not to interfere with my Attic Greek.
As a proud owner of the book, and as someone who favors Attic, I can tell you, you should still buy it: more than 75% of the lemmas listed are also Attic. Where a term is Koine only is clearly specified.
@@ScorpioMartianus Alright, thanks - An SM recommendation is hard to resist! 🙂
Τούτον εστί πολλάν καλόν κινηματογράφημα
Hearing ancient greek with a german accent . The problem with foreign speakers who try to speak modern or ancient greek is that they cant pronounce letters like Δ or Θ properly.
Why not?
Have you ever thought that ancient Greek was learnt by a lot of not Greeks and that probably there was not an ideal Greek pronunciated language? Besides the fact that there were many Greek dialects. Latin and Greek were the English of those centuries. What's the proper English to learn now? The Californian one, the BBC one, the Australian one, the Jamaican one? They all sound differently.
This is not Homeric Greek, this is Koine Greek.
Why should it be homeric?
Γι αυτο είναι σπουδαίο να υπάρχουν οι φυσικοί εκ γενετής ομιλητές.
Έλεος και ήμαρτον!!!! Αν τα άκουγαν αυτά οι πρόγονοί μας, δεν είμαι σίγουρος για το αν θα γελούσαν, ή αν θα έκλαιγαν, για τούτο το χάλι.
The Erasmian pronounciation is pure medieval rubbish, so don't use it.
Actually, I heard it was an academic joke but nobody got it.
@@christophjasinski4804 Interesting note, the times on this present vid that both the interviewer and the writer MISS on the Erasmian spelling (thus pronouncing the phthongs correctly), are quite a lot.
Erasmian is not only ugly sounding, it's so hard to spell that most of the time your tongue will just refuse to obey.
@@geogeo2299Ancient Greek was not ugly. It may just seem unfamiliar to modern Greek speakers.
@@ddpmk355 Then it may have seemed much more unfamiliar to medieval Dutch speakers, such as Erasmus...
But just to save you from guessing at how ugly would Erasmian have sounded to ancient Greeks, there's this specific condition in phonology that the Greeks notoriously disliked and preferred to steer well clear of - it's called Χασμωδία (vowel hiatus).
Now, keeping in mind what Χασμωδία was, can you perhaps pronounce for us the word Αἰάντειος in Erasmian??
@@geogeo2299 I don’t think so. He didn’t say anything like that.
Oh God...not THAT thing again.
Ok, I'll try to explain ONE MORE TIME.
When you see the letters οι, ει, αι, υι, ου, they are NOT read or pronounced as two separate letters but as ONE letter.
For example the word είμαι (I am) is NOT pronounced as e-i-ma-i but as ee-me.
You know the Greek language is STILL alive and not that far away from the ancient form in the pronunciation and orthography.
It's more than 95% the same.
Please stop pronouncing those letters separate because it is brutal to the sounding of our language and let's be honest.
You are NOT speaking Greek (old or new) this way.
This thing started as a prank a couple of hundred years ago and it HAS to stop.
μέγα βιβλίον, μέγα κακόν! 😂