For years I was one of those folks who believed that weight = quality. It all chenged when I've conneted a Virpil grip to the Warthog. It just changed my views of what quality actually means. But also showed me how big of a strain those +/- 1kg grips put on the joystick base. BTW. I did bought myself an old TM FLCS(which I hope to marry with MSFFB2 base) and it feels so much better than my Warthog. Especially in the center, compared to newer TM, it allows for almost smooth transition in the center. Using it as a part donnor for a project, almost feels bad TBH.
One thing that makes me want to upgrade to MCGU from the current MCGP is the swappable ministick/hats. Like you, I don't like to bind the cursor control on the (right) stick since most western aircraft don't have it there. Having that said, I do wish they make the center-up hat a non-swappable hat(perfect for the trim switch) while making the center-down hat a swappable slot, specifically for the Apache right TEDAC grip. If it was the case, it would be so close to a perfect 1:1 mapping among the grips available on the market(still, it's the closest regardless). Another wish could be making the connecter more "standardized", or more "idiot"-proof so to speak. One issue I've observed a lot on the HOTAS\VKB discord server is the bad connection due to an incorrectly seated grip. A more standard PS/2-like pin+socket and ring locker(?) approach like TM, Virpil and WW would reduce it and the potential damage to the connector pad, while make it easier to swap btwn grips so that we don't need to buy multiple GF bases just for saving the hassle of swapping grips lol
The software certainly needs some attention to make it more intuitive. As for the connector, there are plenty of issues with the TM style connector too. I just wish the connector was toolless. Now that I know it needs to be properly seated, hasn't been a problem.
I love my SCG because of my small hands. Thats why i didnt go with the Virpil sticks also. They are like the MCG and MCGU too large for me. Good video.
You are a lucky simmer to get so many flight sticks to review. They are so damn expansive! I'm currently trying to save up to get a one of these or something similar. I had a VKB NXT and the gimbal went bad, i'm not buying a plastic gimbal again.
@@FalconsLedge you say that but do you mena that for both hands? I use the omni Gladiator NXT EVO for left hand use (which you seem to be doing in this video) and it seems fine for that use even for long term. I do agree that I need the metal gimbal in my right hand though.
Great review, as with you I watch Noobifier all the time also and was checking more reviews on the VKB sticks. I need to be cheap at the moment so will be trying out the NXT Evo dual sticks in the future as I have a feeling they will be much more accurate than my overly sensitive T16000.M's.
How does it compare to the Virpil mt-50 grip? They seem pretty similar, the main thing I knowticed from looking at them is that the Virpil handrest looks flatter and comfier.
My personal standpoint. I've got the MCG Pro and I think it's enough for pretty much anybody. The price difference is not really worth it in my opinion since while flying you really don't care what material the stick is made of. The plastic is super comfortable and the hats and base are the same anyway. I mean if you have the money and want the more premium materials go for it but for anybody else, the MCG Pro is easily enough.
Waiting on the shipping of my first VKB stick. The lower end one, SCG versus the Eastern Block one you show here. If it's really what I'm looking for I imagine I'll spring for a second one; likely the omni throttle per your other review. I *do* hope VKB develops another grip like this, but for left hand. My right hand took some serious damage overseas so I've lost a lot of dexterity with it for hats and such; left hand hats are going to have to be the way for me in Star Citizen.
Thanks for this review. I've been debating on this stick for months now, waiting for the gunfighters to come back into stock, and this pretty much secured my decision.
MCG Ultimate 500 hours in. Love it, look forward to flying with it every day. Have a permanent mount in the floor with the 20cm extension. Have gotten pretty good at takedown and cleaning, there's a few mods you can do to make it even better. I owe much of my enjoyment of DCS to this stick.
@@FalconsLedge Special ordered a lighter spring for the twist grip and polished the ramp up for better precision with lighter force applied. Made a wrap around grip rest on the right side that humps higher than stock.
I’m definitely looking at this to play the ka50 black shark 3. What collective do you use for your apache and if you don’t would you consider doing a review on one.
love the honest and open review of this stick, you have made up my mind after many weeks of not knowing what direction i wanted to go in. Thanks from Australia
Nice one! Might have mentioned price differences though. In the EU-store, they upped the price on the Ultimate quite significantly. When I ordered my GF MCG Pro a few weeks ago, the Pro was (and still is today) €419 while the Ultimate was around €520 or so. Now the Ultimate GF is €598. It's a bit more scary looking with stand-alone grips. MCG Pro (non twist) is €175 while the Ultimate is €329. While I'm pretty sure I would've done the irresponsible thing and ordered the Ultimate had it been in stock, I'm not super sure it would've given me the "better" grip. Sadly (or luckily) there was only one MCG GF in stock in the EU store when I ordered and that was a Pro with Russian labels. Pretty sure I wouldn't consider the Ultimate now because €600 is very close to what I'd have to pay for a CM3 Virpil with an Alpha or T50 grip.
love this stick, but unfortunatly, i can't get used to the vkb base the warbrd is just too superior in the central region against the gunfighter 3... that's why i'm considering the vpforce rhino
Just ordered the VKB Omnithrottle based on a lot of reviews iv watched on your channel. I held off on the right hand stick for now as I play space Sims and want to try HOTAM before dropping another $200. I do like this stick though
Great insight as always. I’m currently using a 15 ish year old Saitek Cyborg Evo and really want to upgrade for DCS, SC, IL2 and MSFS. I really want one of these and think I’d regret getting the NXT Evo. Also need a throttle but I also want the honeycomb setup. Too much money and not enough space.
This stick on an extension is awesome. If you are keeping a stick for 15 years, the MCG ultimate is a no brainer. It's like $30-40 a year over that period. If you really don't want to spend all the money up front you could get the gunfighter base with the ww2 grip, and buy the MCG at a later time. The gunfighter base is really the important part. When you switch to a customizable base with an extension it totally changes the feel for flight sims. It's so much more precise.
@@JackManiacky Thanks for the feedback. I got back into PC gaming about 18 months ago and am concerned I won’t use it enough. But a stick with an extension is what I really want to get.
@@doifeellucky my only problem, since you said you star citizen too, is I rarely want to go back to my dual stick setup for space sims. It's that good.
40 and 50 lb on the same axis? Does that not make it un-even? Just wondering as I'm forced to use a hard centre cam for it to centre correctly. Mind you I am only 30 lb springs as I haven't got it hard mounted yet. If this did work was you able to use the smooth centre cam?
While the premium build of this is appealing an "SCGU" would definitely be necessary to sway me from the gladiator series of sticks. While this could serve as a right stick in space games, they really nailed the 6dof optimization with the SCG grip.
I love the how many hat switches this has. I'm missing my left hand so having multiple hats and buttons really helps me customise the controls so I can fly. I'm currently running a Thrustmaster twcs and a warthog flight stick but have just ordered a vkb gladiator Evo to try, hopefully it's big enough for me though as I've got a pretty large hand
@@FalconsLedge awesome I've got the scg coming so if it's a similar size to the warthog that should work well for me, fingers crossed! If not I might have to upgrade again, thanks for the the info I appreciate it!
@@cardona54321 for me it was more comfortable if I removed the wrist rest pad that comes on it by default. There is a built in rest that is just right for my hand size
@@FalconsLedge cheers mate, I definitely will be removing the palm grip but I think it's going to be pretty close, hopefully it's comfortable, I'm a pretty big guy 6'4", it arrives Friday so I'm hoping I can make it work. It will be perfect for me if my hand fits it 😂
The alpha prime just came out, I haven't had a chance to buy one. Feature wise, they are comparable. Quality wise, they are also comparable. It will likely mostly come to preference, but there is one feature that stands out on the Virpil gimbal that I wish was offered by the VKB base and that is an option to adjust the clutch tension without any disassembly.
For anyone perhaps considering, I'd recommend the Space Combat Stick VKB do. Sure, it doesn't have the Russian writing on the side or look as sexy with the kudos of being modelled upon the Su-27's stick, but owning both I find the Space Combat stick has everything you could want and is easier to access all the buttons and hats. The only real downside being it doesn't have the brake lever the MCG has. I wish VKB would of made all the Coolie Hat styled controls button activated with an option to replace one with the 'gamepad' style stick, instead of the x2 gamepad controls that they went with. All in all though, it's a great stick and you wouldn't be disappointed either way. It's just I'm finding it difficult to justify swopping over from the Space Combat Grip as it's more versatile.
I'm fairly sure the software can do just that. It's a bit daunting, though. I want to do exactly that, just haven't been arsed to figure out the software.
@@ArchOfficial Hi, the control Hats I am talking about use a different switch type - something similiar to what you'd see with an Xbox or PlayStation gamepad. Which granted gives you 8 directions of travel, where you can gauge your movement speed and distance moved plus the push button, so is perfect for things such as slewing the targeting cursor, radars, and such like, where as the other is just a four way plus push Hat using micro button switches and has a more solid positive either On/Off action. Even though there may be a work around with the software, you wouldn't get the same feedback. This is not to say how it is is bad or poor in any way at all, don't get me wrong, it is a brilliant grip all round and highly recommended. Anyone getting one will be more than satisfied and it'll do everything they could want. It's just for me, it'd be great if I could swop over one of the 8 ways to a 4 way with push on this grip and out of both of them what I own I find the Space Grip as it's known does everything that well already, though it doesnt have the brake lever so for those flying without rudder set ups the MCG would perhaps be better for those playing flight sims especially with the WW2 propeller aircraft that'll shift weight so fast if too much brake is applied, the nose tips forward and wrecks the engine. Using a on/ off key press can be deadly here.
@@ryansta Oops, I was thinking this was the SCG. I just watched a video on that. My bad. Hopefully VKB adopts their MCG-U/STECS style swappable modules on everything going forward.
Not yet, VKB has said its the next product to be released, and though I didn't see this one specifically, a user on their discord said that they want to release it before the end of the year. Take it with a grain of salt, its very close, but delays can obviously happen. In the next two weeks I'll have out my 2022 state of HOTAS/HOSAS out. I'm hoping to see something before then.
I think that it is the best if you want a professional grip for Soviet aircraft but too big for a lot of people and to … yea like you need a lot of money
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could anyone please help me?
I want to assign buttons for the GATE CONT axis
Have absolutely no idea how do this
Go to the VKB discord, ask in the software section, I'm positive you will get your answer
would it be practical to use this grip in an omni configuration with it's size? I prefer omni in both hands.
Yeah you could do that
I wish they make scg premium as mcg is really comfortable only for large hands and is not suitable for desktop mounts as the stick is tall.
It's in the works as far as I've heard
star citizen key binding is .. very uncompleted
Tier 0 😅
I own the MCGU with a 200mm extension/50# springs. It is great! Support staff were awesome quickly answering any questions I had.
crap. I was aiming to buy this stick but i have fairly small hands
If you don't mind reaching a bit, is a great stick. Otherwise I'd go with the scg.
For years I was one of those folks who believed that weight = quality.
It all chenged when I've conneted a Virpil grip to the Warthog.
It just changed my views of what quality actually means. But also showed me how big of a strain those +/- 1kg grips put on the joystick base.
BTW. I did bought myself an old TM FLCS(which I hope to marry with MSFFB2 base) and it feels so much better than my Warthog. Especially in the center, compared to newer TM, it allows for almost smooth transition in the center. Using it as a part donnor for a project, almost feels bad TBH.
One thing that makes me want to upgrade to MCGU from the current MCGP is the swappable ministick/hats. Like you, I don't like to bind the cursor control on the (right) stick since most western aircraft don't have it there. Having that said, I do wish they make the center-up hat a non-swappable hat(perfect for the trim switch) while making the center-down hat a swappable slot, specifically for the Apache right TEDAC grip. If it was the case, it would be so close to a perfect 1:1 mapping among the grips available on the market(still, it's the closest regardless).
Another wish could be making the connecter more "standardized", or more "idiot"-proof so to speak. One issue I've observed a lot on the HOTAS\VKB discord server is the bad connection due to an incorrectly seated grip. A more standard PS/2-like pin+socket and ring locker(?) approach like TM, Virpil and WW would reduce it and the potential damage to the connector pad, while make it easier to swap btwn grips so that we don't need to buy multiple GF bases just for saving the hassle of swapping grips lol
The software certainly needs some attention to make it more intuitive. As for the connector, there are plenty of issues with the TM style connector too. I just wish the connector was toolless. Now that I know it needs to be properly seated, hasn't been a problem.
Thanks mate! Very in-depth and good review that answers all important questions and beyond.
Have a great day, cheers!
I love my SCG because of my small hands. Thats why i didnt go with the Virpil sticks also. They are like the MCG and MCGU too large for me. Good video.
You are a lucky simmer to get so many flight sticks to review. They are so damn expansive! I'm currently trying to save up to get a one of these or something similar. I had a VKB NXT and the gimbal went bad, i'm not buying a plastic gimbal again.
I fly enough that metal is necessary for sure.
@@FalconsLedge you say that but do you mena that for both hands? I use the omni Gladiator NXT EVO for left hand use (which you seem to be doing in this video) and it seems fine for that use even for long term. I do agree that I need the metal gimbal in my right hand though.
@@exodus4889 I don't use a metal gimbal for the left hand. Eventually I will
If i where to adcice somone into symflight 1st would be lexip pu94 mouse just to get cheap into it, after that go crazy with other things :)
Great review, as with you I watch Noobifier all the time also and was checking more reviews on the VKB sticks. I need to be cheap at the moment so will be trying out the NXT Evo dual sticks in the future as I have a feeling they will be much more accurate than my overly sensitive T16000.M's.
I have a review on the Evo, great stick
How does it compare to the Virpil mt-50 grip? They seem pretty similar, the main thing I knowticed from looking at them is that the Virpil handrest looks flatter and comfier.
Better, this grip is metal whereas the mt50 is plastic. This uses better quality materials all around
This is more comparable to the constellation alpha prime
Oh actuals, thats good to know cheers, i think i might try work toward this paired with a vkb nxt evo omni throttle for space sims.
It's heavily based on the SU-57's stick. Almost exact replica to some models of SU-57.
Very inspired yes but not replica like the f16 and f-18 sticks where they are nearly 1:1
My personal standpoint. I've got the MCG Pro and I think it's enough for pretty much anybody. The price difference is not really worth it in my opinion since while flying you really don't care what material the stick is made of. The plastic is super comfortable and the hats and base are the same anyway.
I mean if you have the money and want the more premium materials go for it but for anybody else, the MCG Pro is easily enough.
Waiting on the shipping of my first VKB stick. The lower end one, SCG versus the Eastern Block one you show here. If it's really what I'm looking for I imagine I'll spring for a second one; likely the omni throttle per your other review.
I *do* hope VKB develops another grip like this, but for left hand. My right hand took some serious damage overseas so I've lost a lot of dexterity with it for hats and such; left hand hats are going to have to be the way for me in Star Citizen.
Thanks for this review. I've been debating on this stick for months now, waiting for the gunfighters to come back into stock, and this pretty much secured my decision.
So ... Where to get these ?
VKB website, under Gunfighter
MCG Ultimate 500 hours in. Love it, look forward to flying with it every day. Have a permanent mount in the floor with the 20cm extension.
Have gotten pretty good at takedown and cleaning, there's a few mods you can do to make it even better.
I owe much of my enjoyment of DCS to this stick.
Do share the mods!
@@FalconsLedge Special ordered a lighter spring for the twist grip and polished the ramp up for better precision with lighter force applied. Made a wrap around grip rest on the right side that humps higher than stock.
@@lakota2-1warden did your lighter spring come from VKB? I think I'd like that
@@FalconsLedge nah had a friend get me one from a local industrial machine supply
The design actually inspired on the Sukhoi Flanker variant. Looks dope
Yup, I'm aware, it's a great stick
I have it and I love it
this helped me decide on buying. Thanks!
I’m definitely looking at this to play the ka50 black shark 3. What collective do you use for your apache and if you don’t would you consider doing a review on one.
I use a gladiator NXT EVO as a collective. Check out my review on this channel it outlines how that is done
Big gloves are hard to find. :)
love the honest and open review of this stick, you have made up my mind after many weeks of not knowing what direction i wanted to go in.
Thanks from Australia
What direction did you go? This gunfighter or Winwing or virpil?
Nice one! Might have mentioned price differences though. In the EU-store, they upped the price on the Ultimate quite significantly. When I ordered my GF MCG Pro a few weeks ago, the Pro was (and still is today) €419 while the Ultimate was around €520 or so. Now the Ultimate GF is €598. It's a bit more scary looking with stand-alone grips. MCG Pro (non twist) is €175 while the Ultimate is €329. While I'm pretty sure I would've done the irresponsible thing and ordered the Ultimate had it been in stock, I'm not super sure it would've given me the "better" grip. Sadly (or luckily) there was only one MCG GF in stock in the EU store when I ordered and that was a Pro with Russian labels.
Pretty sure I wouldn't consider the Ultimate now because €600 is very close to what I'd have to pay for a CM3 Virpil with an Alpha or T50 grip.
I always go by MSRP, I don't cover shipping or differing costs for the eu store.
This does look to be a well build stick. Which base does it attach to?
VKB gunfighter
love this stick, but unfortunatly, i can't get used to the vkb base the warbrd is just too superior in the central region against the gunfighter 3... that's why i'm considering the vpforce rhino
Just ordered the VKB Omnithrottle based on a lot of reviews iv watched on your channel. I held off on the right hand stick for now as I play space Sims and want to try HOTAM before dropping another $200. I do like this stick though
Great insight as always. I’m currently using a 15 ish year old Saitek Cyborg Evo and really want to upgrade for DCS, SC, IL2 and MSFS. I really want one of these and think I’d regret getting the NXT Evo. Also need a throttle but I also want the honeycomb setup. Too much money and not enough space.
This stick on an extension is awesome. If you are keeping a stick for 15 years, the MCG ultimate is a no brainer. It's like $30-40 a year over that period. If you really don't want to spend all the money up front you could get the gunfighter base with the ww2 grip, and buy the MCG at a later time. The gunfighter base is really the important part. When you switch to a customizable base with an extension it totally changes the feel for flight sims. It's so much more precise.
@@JackManiacky Thanks for the feedback. I got back into PC gaming about 18 months ago and am concerned I won’t use it enough. But a stick with an extension is what I really want to get.
@@doifeellucky my only problem, since you said you star citizen too, is I rarely want to go back to my dual stick setup for space sims. It's that good.
I got the MCG (Strandard) and i is also a grate Stick, also Support from VKB is 1st class
Now i want this grip, but for my NXT
Unfortunately it's just too much for the NXT gimbal
7:02 GET SOME!!
40 and 50 lb on the same axis? Does that not make it un-even? Just wondering as I'm forced to use a hard centre cam for it to centre correctly. Mind you I am only 30 lb springs as I haven't got it hard mounted yet. If this did work was you able to use the smooth centre cam?
No it doesn't make it uneven because both axis has two springs on it. Each cam/spring mount has two grooves on it
@@FalconsLedge Did you use the soft centre cams and did it recentre correctly?
@@Joemate23 I do use soft center cams, it does center properly.
@@FalconsLedge thank you!
While the premium build of this is appealing an "SCGU" would definitely be necessary to sway me from the gladiator series of sticks. While this could serve as a right stick in space games, they really nailed the 6dof optimization with the SCG grip.
I love the how many hat switches this has. I'm missing my left hand so having multiple hats and buttons really helps me customise the controls so I can fly. I'm currently running a Thrustmaster twcs and a warthog flight stick but have just ordered a vkb gladiator Evo to try, hopefully it's big enough for me though as I've got a pretty large hand
I have a large hand and it is very large, larger than the Warthog by quite a bit. The Warthog is the size of the SCG
@@FalconsLedge awesome I've got the scg coming so if it's a similar size to the warthog that should work well for me, fingers crossed! If not I might have to upgrade again, thanks for the the info I appreciate it!
@@cardona54321 for me it was more comfortable if I removed the wrist rest pad that comes on it by default. There is a built in rest that is just right for my hand size
@@FalconsLedge cheers mate, I definitely will be removing the palm grip but I think it's going to be pretty close, hopefully it's comfortable, I'm a pretty big guy 6'4", it arrives Friday so I'm hoping I can make it work. It will be perfect for me if my hand fits it 😂
I like it a lot but its sadly too big for my hand.. may go with Winwing
Have you compared this to the Virpil Alpha Prime? I would appreciate your opinion between the two! Thanks
The alpha prime just came out, I haven't had a chance to buy one. Feature wise, they are comparable. Quality wise, they are also comparable. It will likely mostly come to preference, but there is one feature that stands out on the Virpil gimbal that I wish was offered by the VKB base and that is an option to adjust the clutch tension without any disassembly.
@@FalconsLedge Awesome, I didn't know that. Thankyou for taking your time and input!
Looks like a real nice stick
For anyone perhaps considering, I'd recommend the Space Combat Stick VKB do. Sure, it doesn't have the Russian writing on the side or look as sexy with the kudos of being modelled upon the Su-27's stick, but owning both I find the Space Combat stick has everything you could want and is easier to access all the buttons and hats. The only real downside being it doesn't have the brake lever the MCG has. I wish VKB would of made all the Coolie Hat styled controls button activated with an option to replace one with the 'gamepad' style stick, instead of the x2 gamepad controls that they went with. All in all though, it's a great stick and you wouldn't be disappointed either way. It's just I'm finding it difficult to justify swopping over from the Space Combat Grip as it's more versatile.
I'm fairly sure the software can do just that. It's a bit daunting, though. I want to do exactly that, just haven't been arsed to figure out the software.
@@ArchOfficial Hi, the control Hats I am talking about use a different switch type - something similiar to what you'd see with an Xbox or PlayStation gamepad. Which granted gives you 8 directions of travel, where you can gauge your movement speed and distance moved plus the push button, so is perfect for things such as slewing the targeting cursor, radars, and such like, where as the other is just a four way plus push Hat using micro button switches and has a more solid positive either On/Off action. Even though there may be a work around with the software, you wouldn't get the same feedback. This is not to say how it is is bad or poor in any way at all, don't get me wrong, it is a brilliant grip all round and highly recommended. Anyone getting one will be more than satisfied and it'll do everything they could want. It's just for me, it'd be great if I could swop over one of the 8 ways to a 4 way with push on this grip and out of both of them what I own I find the Space Grip as it's known does everything that well already, though it doesnt have the brake lever so for those flying without rudder set ups the MCG would perhaps be better for those playing flight sims especially with the WW2 propeller aircraft that'll shift weight so fast if too much brake is applied, the nose tips forward and wrecks the engine. Using a on/ off key press can be deadly here.
@@ryansta I'm fairly sure that, at least if you ordered a Premium, it will have come with the standard style hat as an option. Check in your box.
@@ArchOfficial Naw, it's the standard MCG Grip, the switches are molded in with that one.
@@ryansta Oops, I was thinking this was the SCG. I just watched a video on that. My bad.
Hopefully VKB adopts their MCG-U/STECS style swappable modules on everything going forward.
Sort of off topic but has there been anymore news on the VKB Tecs throttle?
Not yet, VKB has said its the next product to be released, and though I didn't see this one specifically, a user on their discord said that they want to release it before the end of the year. Take it with a grain of salt, its very close, but delays can obviously happen. In the next two weeks I'll have out my 2022 state of HOTAS/HOSAS out. I'm hoping to see something before then.
@@FalconsLedge glad to see that they just made a video featuring the throttle
@@jraylon105 soon! (tm)
I think that it is the best if you want a professional grip for Soviet aircraft but too big for a lot of people and to … yea like you need a lot of money