I wish this documentary went into the real harm that was done by Camping. What about the woman who slit her daughters throats because she believed Camping's prediction? What about the people who gave All of their money to Camping? Sold their homes? What about the suicides? The people in this video were able to regroup but many were not. My cousin was one who was duped by Camping. He sent the guy $100 per month. In the last year prior to May 21st. my cousin received a letter from Camping asking him to Double his monthly donation, and my cousin did. He sent Camping $200 a month. So much for Camping claiming his literature was Free and rejecting the $5. That family became rich over it. They walked away with Millions $$$$$. Also, my father (not a Camping follower) who is a brilliant man, did the math based on Camping's self-proclaimed Biblical calculations and discovered Camping had miscalculated Biblical genealogy based on simple math.. He wrote Camping to show him his error but never heard back from him. He was a fraud.
Yeah....its hard to find info on them. Probably because the stories are way too dark and the media has always had a pro christian bias. The only person I could find info on was the transit engineer who gave him all his life savings. Of course he felt justified in it because he couldnt psychologically handle the fact he got defrauded.
When someone gets "sucked into a cult" it is next to impossible to get him or her out of it. Sometimes I don't know what to call them: "victims" or "fools"?
@@dissidentfairy4264 Karma? What are you talking about? The man died at 92, karma ain't got nothing to do with it, it was just time for him to go. I wish my mom could've live to 92.
That's because our human need for certainty is a basic survival instinct, as powerful as our need for food or water. From the cradle to the grave we crave certainty of what is true. That's especially true of people like the leader who was trained as a civil engineer. They have extreme difficulty simply saying "I don't know."
@@outlastthebacklash8049 We are getting better at saying "I don't know" Religion believe it or not, is declining in numbers across North America. Not so much globally. 99.999% of these beliefs are taught to children by their parents. It's indoctrination before the frontal cortex is fully developed, before a person under 18 years of age, and capable of critical thinking.
It’s the guy graduating with a degree in philosophy but still doesn’t possess the capabilities to question this. In addition to basing his beliefs on his feelings over logic… my mind is blown.
Im not too surprised. When I got my Masters I met people who couldnt write to save their lives. Some didnt even know what a debate was. At least three different professors praised my writing. So I guess that is sadly common
@@noname-by3qz No, he already had just received a bachelor's degree in philosophy and after the failed prophecy, he decided to get his master's degree in philosophy.
I think people who are hitting a sort of crisis in their lives might WANT the end of the world to come...Even a "good" crisis like his graduation. He was anxious about his final exams and anxious about disappointing his mom. I bet if all the true believers were interviewed they'd be in some sort of anxiety-provoking situation.
My gosh, I just got out of the Jonathan Kleck Cult! This is so spot on with the behaviors of people and the “prophet” that they listen too! Thank you so much for your work!
Ohhh I was caught up with Kleck for a while as well. Though I do believe some of what he explains, it got way to culty and ridiculous and I stepped away for good
Shame on those who perpetrated this. So many neighborhood teens and young adults showed up at my mother’s door terrified over this prediction. She did her best to calm them, but the fear in their eyes was awful.
But….those who spread this were mainly true believers, and who thought by warning as many as they could they were giving some the chance to repent and be saved for eternity. It’s like a person who has a dream that a particular highway overpass will collapse, and so thinks it will actually happen that day and run out into the road to block traffic and not let people drive onto the overpass….they are doing wrong, but for the “right” reason - they think they were helping people, and if correct, they WOULD be helping. So, are there “perpetrators?” And if so…of what? Not fraud, as they absolutely believed they were right. And it’s unlikely a fraud “preacher” would make a fake prediction, which they knew would be shown wrong, and thereby lose most or all of their income. I don’t think there was a perpetrator, just people who were very misguided and not correct.
@@Itried20takennames And in that day it shall come to pass, a great tumult from the Lord shall be among them; and they shall lay hold every one on the hand of his neighbor, and his hand shall rise up against the hand of his neighbor. Zec 14;13 Tumult = disbelief & confusion ...that IS 'spiritual judgement' Have you read the news since May 21, 2011? Because I have called, and ye refused; I have stretched out my hand, and no man regarded; But ye have set at nought all my counsel, and would none of my reproof: I also will laugh at your calamity, I will mock when your fear cometh; Pr 1; 24-26 FEAR is exactly what He said would happen... Surely the Lord GOD will do nothing, but he revealeth his secret unto his servants the prophets. Amos 3;7 READ THE BOOK ! In your patience possess ye your souls... We are only half way through judgement day, it is the 'storm' that separates those who built their house on sand and those who built upon the rock.
That is very unfortunate. I was lucky to be totally oblivious to the whole thing. I was newly married at the time, and my wife and I were too busy decorating the apartment and planning our upcoming first anniversary vacation. The news and world events were not even on my radar at the time.
@@Itried20takennames I agree. This whole thing doesn't make sense as a bad-faith scam. Just a bunch of people who were fooled by people who already fooled themselves.
“Humans aren’t rational creatures. We are RATIONALIZING creatures.” A person could take literally ANY stance/position and justify it to Hell until it makes some sort of sense. Truly fascinating.
Romans 8:7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be. 1 Corinthians 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. Matthew 24:36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only. Matthew 25:13 Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh.
Well the church age is over, so your parents can't get on you violating God's command, when they themselves, didn't obey the command to flee the churches since God brought Judgment upon them. The Churches are under the same wrath that is the world is currently under. Just as the churches went mad, with falling over backwards, speaking in tongues, holy laughter. So too has the world God mad. They've been given the same cup of wrath to drink as a Judgment upon them. Jeremiah 25:15 ¶ For thus saith the LORD God of Israel unto me; Take the wine cup of this fury at my hand, and cause all the nations, to whom I send thee, to drink it. 16 And they shall drink, and be moved, and be mad, because of the sword that I will send among them. 17 ¶ Then took I the cup at the LORD'S hand, and made all the nations to drink, unto whom the LORD had sent me: The churches were sent this cup of wrath because Judgment FIRST began upon them. What happens if they refused the cup? Jeremiah 25:28 And it shall be, if they refuse to take the cup at thine hand to drink, then shalt thou say unto them, Thus saith the LORD of hosts; Ye shall certainly drink. Jeremiah 25:29 For, lo, I begin to bring evil on the city which is called by my name, and should ye be utterly unpunished? Ye shall not be unpunished: for I will call for a sword upon all the inhabitants of the earth, saith the LORD of hosts. The city called by God's name is the churches in view.
@@c.a.t.732 Romans 9:20 Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus? Romans 9:21 Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?
My father believed in Harold Camping and his May 21, 2011 prediction. He was a dedicated follower of Mr. Camping and would listen to Open Forum on Family Radio daily. It was sad to watch his delusional decline. On May 21, 2011 at 6pm he gathered our family at the table. He prayed and wept. He genuinely believed. I remember being terrified. It had a very big impact on my departure from Christ.
that's unreal!,,, prayed and wept!,, sounds like a scene from a Movie!,,,, some crazy radio guy!. Im lost for words,,,, here in New England we shovel, rake leaves go fishin and huntin; and we'd call anyone out who was saying crazy sh*t like that. If your father Really believed that he shouldn't have been Afraid!,,,, (the world isn't going to end that way, the Bible lays out the final chapter in Revelation. the whole world is Not going to perish all at once,, the bible Never ever says that. Well,, can i say try God, He is our Father, we are His children, You want your Father to be happy with how you live our life. Ithe jesus story is very sketchy),, the bible says dont be around sinners, he went around sinners. and rode on tha Donkey,, That's not God,, God wouldn't ride on a donkey,,, There's a key verse 'Cursed is any man that dies on a tree',,,,,,,,, That was a Firm Jewish Belief. He died on a tree.. (he was a coward he tried to run away, ),,, God is dark skinned Alll Mighty, All Loving, Majestic. jesus was not jamestic at all. just be a God person.you get it,,, wow how old were you?? maybe a young teenager? Your father was a weak man ,,,,, He shoudl have had NO FEAR if he really trusted in God. That sexual abuse scaldal was the END of my church days,,, But i keep God in my life, it's One God with many gifts,, if you pray over your food peacefullly,, Just Dear God Thank you for this food... and remember He sends special angels to bring us what only God could give,,,
Don't throw the baby out with the bath water. I saw Camping's teachings and he's really not very bright and had some very disturbing views. Are you sure you want to throw away Christ simply because of one charlatan? Really?
Neuroscience is so fascinating. I am in my second year of studies in the psychology field. I just finished a sociology course and am in social psychology now. I love learning about these things whereas my mother would scare me to death about judgment day when I was younger. Granted, she was diagnosed with schizophrenia and quite intense. It's amazing how people form decisions and magnetize to such beliefs. I felt bad when the woman said they weren't illiterate or naive. I believe that, but people can get so sucked up into something when they seek the "truth" or just need something that feels tangible to them to believe in.
Same ppl who act like they are ready to die bcz of what's on the other side awaiting them (they think) are the same ones still wearing mask and getting injected over and over bcz they are scared to die 🙃
they just didn't want to work anymore.. they were ready for a heavenly vacation.. 🤣🤣🤣 how stupid they must feel.. that dad admitting he now has to seek employment.. twat a DERP his poor sons.. some people don't deserve to be parents
Why do you suppose in the next verses He mentions Noe ? I'm pretty sure your pastor didn't notice that, eh? Noah was warned 120 years in advance, then seven days. The Hebrews were told they would be in bondage 400 years, and they were. The Israelites were told they would be in Babylon 70 years, and they were. ...perhaps you would do well to read the whole bible - cherry picking is not acceptable nor honest. ...and what time zone is Manilla, or Moscow, or? ...Adam knew his wife ... The Lord is known by the judgement which he executeth. KNOW is not so simple as you might think...
YES!!! Apparently, Camping hasn't read the 24th chapter of Matthew, lol! That, or he did read it and thinks he has knowledge beyond the Son of God, which is very dangerous territory!
Interesting that Camping was worth $75 million and never gave it away before May 21, 2011. After telling others they would not need money, jobs, houses and to give those away.
I always wonder whether cult leaders buy into the bullshit they’re selling and abuse they’re inflicting and to what degree. Clearly this guy had at least one foot in reality.
Thank you for this thoughtful account of the Harold Camping debacle! I listened to his call-in radio show for several years prior to 2011, and the format Camping followed allowed him to manipulate and bully callers by just steamrolling over them. He would frequently begin an answer with, “well you see, the fact of the matter is…” thus allowing him time to pull something out of his hat. Sometimes he would not even answer a thoughtful question and just babble. What I found dangerous was his propensity to quote himself! He had been writing books and doing the show for so many years that he would quote earlier quotes from his own books! I also thought that many lonely people were soothed by his deep, sonorous voice, but his failure to take any responsibility for his own words was so disturbing. I hope and pray that his former followers have found some greater knowledge and peace.
I know, right? Those are the very hypocrites & false prophets the Bible warns us about, and I just don't know why people don't see that. The Bible clearly states that "no one" can tell when the so-called judgment day is. God never tells us to do some silly calculations to figure it out. Personally, I think that's everyday. God is watching us everyday & He knows which ones are which. God is all about Life & New Beginnings, so people should watch out for those hypo's & falso's spreading lies with their doomed ideas of endings & destructions. Our Lord Jesus Christ Lives On and so do we. There is no end.
So anyone who is not lazy to actually read the Bible would have a sneaking suspicion that those hypocrites are actually satanists pretending to be Christians & deliberately trying to make real Christians look bad, hence the moniker "hypocrites"! So beware of fake churches, folks. Remember, when they try to give you a specific date to scare you, that should be a clue of a satanic cult pretending to be Christian church.
Also be wary of anything that asks you for money. That's another clue right there. Also the Bible says not to cut or mark your skin, and also warns us against fortunetellers & psychic mediums. Remember just this bit and you can greatly avert the danger of falling as a victim of such fraud. So personally I would stay away from people-looking creatures with tattoos & piercings that like to see the stars in their cards. I know, it sounds too funny.
That's not why they were sad. They were not sad because people weren't destroyed. They we're sad because they were hoping to leave a world full of troubles. Why twist it in that way?
I got a job because the person who had it left to go spread this message. Our coworkers tried to get him to not quit, but he said he was an adult and would do what he wanted to do. After it didn't happen, his sisters tried to get his job back. The company told him no. He rebounded, but I always felt awkward
@@hermitcard4494 Did you hear what JW's said after the claim failed? "It's the beginning of the end", then gave another date for the end of the world. Do you know what they said after that one? "It's the final phases of the beginning of the end of the world" Religion always moves the goalpost. Pretty soon god will be the atom that created it all, after science proves it. "ALL PRAISE THE ATOM"
@@chrisccc22 i think you misunderstood my comment. Prediction failed yet those people feel not even shame. So why would the guy from comment feel any awkwardness with him? he feels no shame for himself.
I think that the key word that you used is, "claiming". There will always be people who know more than we do about many subjects. It's important to listen to experts in their fields; as we can't be experts everything. But, experts needs to have valid credentials and what they say needs to be supported by evidence.
yep,, that vaccine was Never approved. They had almost no human studies,,, they passed it through as a "emergency measure', but it's still not approved.. Vaccines have to Very thoroughly tested and monitored for years and years.
We’re not special in that way, and this is not the last generation. It continually astonishes me that people generally are very credulous. I don’t want to indulge in reckless generalizations, because I know many intelligent folk who are not credulous, who won’t fall for the slickest sounding snake-oil salesman. I think it may have something to do with how precarious the social structure of the US continues to become. It’s like the ground is shaking metaphorically under our feet. The need for something to hold onto, some kind of belief system becomes more important with each passing day. There’s panic in the air. That may sound extreme, yes, but the times are extreme manifesting in numerous ways, not least of which is the insane politics going on. A lot of people are scared about what’s happening to the USA.
I came home from church youth group in 1989 and told my dad how we just found out that we were the super hand-selected last days youth. Dad informed me he was told the same thing in the same group in 1960-ish. Yet somehow he continues with our lovely high-demand religion to this day. Now I have gray hair and my contemporaries have grandchildren who are being told that they are the extra-special last generation before the coming of Christ.
Absolutely. I gotta say I did laugh when the mom said her daughters reaction was “you messed up my perfect attendance” 😂 poor girl I’m sure it traumatized her more than she’d realize at the time but that day she was like mom you ruined my attendance for your bullshit again!
@@victoriousjoy9338the narcissism of this man to believe he is smarter than every other person in history is astounding. " look, I did some rudimentary math " . smh. His poor followers
I find it almost endearing how that woman was so convinced everyone on the planet had heard about this when I personally know plenty of people in my country who had not. I mean, it’s a detail in comparison of the belief in the end of the world itself but goes to show how America-centric the whole movement is.
@@silaton305 It’s stunning how little concern these people have for any other country than America. Did anyone around you hear about this whole “the world is gonna end!” business?
I remember kids in middle school freaking out over this. When I saw them next, I asked them what happened… they all got mad at me lol. Religious indoctrination is abuse, especially when it comes to children.
Just listen to Camping a couple of days later on the set of his show telling everyone that October 21 is the new date and deflecting from his failures by saying that the recession has been much harder on his members than his own failed prophesy. He was a narcissist whose business became end times prophesy.
I think the USA is sort of primed for this mentality. When I see them pledge allegiance to a flag, when they have bibles in every hotel room, they have prayer in schools and in congress, then we all saw 1/6 and it became clear to me. It's really sad how far the country has fallen due to all this "patriotism" and Fox N*ws and all these religious folk.
While it is true that religious indoctrination can be abuse, it does not mean it always is. Harold Camping was not part of a church and the churches went mad due to God's Judgment upon them. However, the world can not talk about abuse or indoctrination when children are allowed to change their gender, and mutilate body parts. Or when children are killed by the millions in the womb, some reports of limbs be ripped from limb. They can't talk about abuse when they allow Drag queens to dance in front of their children. Or take their children to a gay parade and watch half naked men lather baby oil over themselves. Or further more grow up with two Dads, or two moms. Or how about the high divorce rate that is permitted in society where children suffer trauma from their parents splitting up. No, the world has lost their sense of morality.
The brain is a powerful thing. That's probably why religion is so bent on 'keeping the faith'. You can literally believe in something so much that you make it your truth even if it's not. Multiply that by billions of people, all believing the same thing and there you go... This was super interesting to watch.
As someone who grew up in an end-of-days religious cult, I can 100% agree with your comment about "faith". It's all about magical thinking with these folks. They will pretzel-logic anything to make it fit their worldview.
Family radio also predicted the end of the world was gonna be in September 1994. My stepmother quit her job as a- well she had a VERY good job, liquidated her stocks n shit she had in the company, decided she had enough to live on for the last 6 months of the world. My dad was done. They divorced. The house got sold, we moved out. She told the people who bought it they could move on Oct 1, and never packed a box. This shit ruins lives.
The fool hath said in his heart: there is no God. Judgement day IS supposed to ruin the lives of the wicked by design! What? Did you expect a walk in the park? Because I have called, and ye refused; I have stretched out my hand, and no man regarded; But ye have set at nought all my counsel, and would none of my reproof: I also will laugh at your calamity, I will mock when your fear cometh; Pr 1; 24-26
I love how much this documentary focuses on understanding the behavior rather than passing judgment on it. The focus on analysis and treating the people involved the same as they would in any other study creates such a healthy outlook on it. While not involved in this sort of thing myself, I knew people who genuinely believed in Judgment Day, and the backlash they felt afterward ended up ruining some relationships, with some delving into deeper isolation and refusing any form of discussion. An approach to their situation like this makes me a little bit happier with humanity and academics. Completely unrelated to this fantastic documentary, but Harold Camping sounds like the king from Disney's Atlantis.
The “behaviors” of those who did unfortunate, dreadful things after this failed prediction: No One Knows the Day or Hour. But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, but My Father only. Is horrific and may be unforgivable.
@@beeintelligent3259 If only people really studied their Bibles instead of using self interpretation guided by some false religious leader. Jesus taught us to use Scripture to interpret the meaning of other Biblical passages. Many people just read passages in isolation and out of context or just believe what they are taught without doing their own prayerful research. None of us can know everything, but Scripture tells us that more would be revealed in these last days. 🙏🏽👍🏽
Back in the 1970s during my Jesus Freak daze I was in a hippie-dippie group called Shiloh Youth Revival that was based in Oregon. I was vulnerable and just graduated from college when I became part of this group as it offered a safe haven from the craziness of the times. We were big on 'the last days' and the rather bizarre leader of the group often did 'studies' on it. I cringe when I think about the things I told people. As I got older and realized that wishing 'the end of all things' on people was just a sideways way of hating people. Thank goodness I saw the light and have been a devout atheist for 30 years now. : )
Were you part of Children of God - or using the term "jesus freak" in its more colloquial sense? As much as they horrify me, I'm not aware of ever meeting one.
Different decade and different state, but yes, that was me too. I wasn't doing well in college, aimless and alone, and stumbled into a Bible study that was borderline cultish. Nice people, very sincere, instant friendship. But there were never more than a dozen core members plus some hanger-ons, so the pastor closed it and moved away. I'm good on the "sideways way of hating people" remark, but not the "devout atheist". Maybe God is real, just some of His followers are misguided.
This video makes me feel sadness that my fellow humans are in so much pain. They are not crazy out gullible, they are in pain needing something to fill their emptiness
They are gullible. If you can’t come to terms that the world is a cold, harsh place and you have to lie to yourself to make yourself feel better, you’re gullible. I don’t think it’s a terrible thing, I think it’s a coping mechanism.
@@bigwendigo2253 there is a difference between being stupid and ignorant and outright gullible However, just because the world can be unfair doesn’t mean we should continue to make it unfair or more unfair or outright do bad things.
5 times 10 times 17 equals "There's no way that's not going to happen." I really feel bad for Harold if he believe(d)(s) that. I feel ten times worse for those who were born into this world of lies and pessimism.
I strongly agree. I give fanatics a break if they don't hurt anyone (mainly the believers) because they truly meant well, and acted out of love, in a way that harmed no one. So they were wrong. So what? I'm wrong at least every day.
@@beeintelligent3259 I definitely realize people were harmed. I have sympathy for all but the cult leader. I still like a critique and honest view into the people in a way that doesn’t mock. Except the leader. Screw that guy.
Unfortunately, mocking is sometimes necessary. Simply "critiqueing" this doesn't give people the impression that religion is as inane and harmful as it is. It may seem tactless, but it sometimes takes people being told and shown how STUPID it is for them to grasp reality. Maybe when people realize how idiotic religion is, they will be less apt to continue in it in some other form.
There is a lesson and story that might be missed in this doc. They touch on it briefly. Harold Camping, for a generation, for many decades was a fairly orthodox, uncontroversial, 'family friendly', radio and sometimes television standard Christian pastor. Even if you were not an 'evangelical' type - few people could say a bad thing. Camping was a vanilla ice cream, reliable, steady stuff. So reliable, so admired, such a strong 'rock' of the church that when 'dementia' or call it 'senility' started taking its slow toll on Camping - nobody could see it. Nobody around him understood that Camping had to retire. Nobody could say anything. There should have been a time when all the younger people (by young I mean 50 to 70) they should have lovingly but firmly moved Rev Camping into a retired non-teaching position.
Jim Jones of Kool Aid infamy started out as fairly orthodox, a uniter of people who were normally at odds for the time. I don’t believe he had dementia, but due to unresolved trauma in his childhood and teens, the power went to his head and in the end, he became psychotic. These are cautionary tales for the ordinary people, members of the congregation. Very few of us will become a Harrold Camping or Jim Jones, but most fall prey to the idolatry of such.
@@mariekatherine5238 No, Jim Jones didn't start out like that. He started out as a miserable communist, a 60s radical Leftist and really was 'Woke' ahead of his time. He maintained quite a lot of that through and through his communist movement. Harold Camping and Jim Jones are nearly the very opposite of each other. People like you and KKK members may not be able to see that but most people can.
I don’t know, dude was already predicting the end in 1994. Did he already have dementia then? I mean, it’s possible but still. I think the problem runs deeper. If you accept magical thinking as valid- old holy texts with predictions and hidden codes- the exact content does not even matter: you can be made to believe anything.
@@Nocturnalux You can even make people believe there is no 'afterlife' or any kind of god and death is no more or less than what you were before you were born. Anyway, contrary to your beliefs, a statistical zero people believed this was the last day on earth. statistically a 'zero' with a odd little sprinkle and they didn't believe 'anything' but instead very very specific things.
Hearing Val say, "how can a man who retired, doesn't take a salary, and spends 10hrs a day studying..." that got me, I'm an exvangelical. Minister, teacher, member...the date setters are some of the most passionate people you'll find, but, so are cult leaders. If what comes from the mouth behind the Pulpit doesn't match up with the Book, that should be a red flag. The saddest of all, is to think about how many families followed an old man to the brink and were left there. Some places won't rehire a recent employee who quit. "Hey, so, the rapture didn't happen, can I have my desk back?" The kids involved are the ones who suffer the most, in these situations. They can't control what the parents do, but it directly controls everything about the child's life. talk about trust issues.
The rapture is a part of the cult you are in. The evangelicals in America have become hate and fear mongers. Misogynistic teachings that oppress women. Hate for gay and transgender people. Support of a political leader that tried to overturn and election by cheating and attacking our capital. I am Catholic. Our pope denounces such things and we were the first Christians. The false hateful prophets in this country calling themselves evangelical are ungodly and not if God. Jesus didn’t teach what your churches teach. I feel very sad for people in your churches being led astray, away from the heart of Jesus. I feel sorry for what your churches have become and pray you find your way back to the Prince of Peace and away from your reliance on your own Biblical interpretations instead of the Holy Spirit.
44:33 Q:.."how can a man who retired, doesn't take a salary, and spends 10hrs a day studying...get everything so wrong?" A: ...frankly he starts out with wrong assumptions to begin with...how can he not go wrong...note this dismissive quote from Camping's "End of the Church Age, and After...it was a fatal error... "...The Preterit Position Before we continue our study, we should look at the contention of those who insist that the teaching of Matthew 24 concerning the destruction of the temple was completely fulfilled in A.D. 70. In that year, the Roman Titus completely destroyed Jerusalem. Their contention is, therefore, that we are not to look at Matthew 24 or any other chapters of a similar nature to assist us with an understanding of the events in the church or the world near the end of time. This is theologically called the preterit position. Preterit simply means that which has already happened. The preterit position was held by many theologians in years gone by.... ...Thus, we must understand that the so-called preterit position has no Biblical validity of any kind. WE must understand that the whole chapter is discussing the Great Tribulation and the end of the world. (Harold Camping, " End of the Church Age... and After", pg 126-127)
The similarities to the Jehovah's Witness religion and all its failed prophesies is stunning, yet sad to see. The sunk costs fallacy, along with cognitive dissonance, has such a strong grip on these cults
Dude and honestly, this guy is way more tame than the whack jobs on the jw governing body. I was born in and escaped. For months after I left, all I could do was feel stunned as I looked back at what born-ins are put through. It’s wholesale institutionalized abuse.
i grew up as a little kid in a Pentecostal church that basically told me that world was going to end any minute now back in the late 1970s/early 1980s. it's very surprising to be alive and well in 2022! Who would have imagined that?
The current cult is the climate activists/ alarmists who claimed the world is going to end. First the entire world was going to be under water by 2012. Now it is extinction of all life by the end of 2031.
It's all crap we're out here and we suffer its never ending we smile for the world while we are dying inside a little more each time until eventually you just stop caring about any of it all together
@@peggyself4012 I am at 52 years of decay. When I die, I turn to dust and that's it. I'm living the "only life I KNOW I have" to the fullest. I will be kind, caring, considerate, sympathetic, empathetic, and happy. No book is needed to tell me how to possess those character traits.
What is worst someone saying “elephants can fly” or people not using any critical or rational thinking and believing it? He is only one person that telling nonsense on purpose or actually being delusional and believing it vs hundreds if not more who though “well he is holding a bible, the most accurate and harmless book ever written he must be right”.
Camping was a delusional malignant narcissist. He couldn't give up the idea that he was the one who had predicted the end. When he tried to explain his failure by claiming that "God has come spiritually" he did the same thing that Jehova's Witnesses did long ago when their prophesy of the end of the world failed. The prophesy fails and these liars just make a claim that is unfalsifiable.
They followed him like blind 🤡. Humans cant cope with taking responsibility for their support of outrageousness- so its easy to put all blame on this guy, and not on the idiots who helped build him
But God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty; And base things of the world, and the things which are despised, hath God chosen, yea, and things which are not, to bring to nought things that are. That no flesh should glory in his presence. The fear of the Lord is the beginning of understanding, but fools despise wisdom and instruction. ...That's what Harold was up to - FEAR (the great divider?) Because I have called, and ye refused; I have stretched out my hand, and no man regarded; But ye have set at nought all my counsel, and would none of my reproof: I also will laugh at your calamity, I will mock when your fear cometh. ...it was a TEST Some blew their life savings for fear of missing out (no patience, which is a fruit of the Spirit) Some ignored completely (proving they never were a child of God) Some gave heed and looked much deeper into the bible (hunger and thirst for righteousness, a trait of them which are saved) Some cried out for mercy at the last possible time (like the thief on the cross) ...and YES: May 21, 2011 was the day the Lord SHUT the door to heaven; there are many more time-paths Harold knew nothing about which have been found since.
Some ppl think some magical outside force is coming to save us from ourselves. The older I get the more I've moved from thinking this is a harmless preoccupation, to believing that it is quite harmful.
I also used to think religion was harmless. If it makes their lives better, who am I to judge? But now that I’m older I’ve realized that beliefs inform our actions or lack thereof. If a person believes someone is watching out for us and would never let anything bad happen to his creations, then they may not take climate change seriously, for example. They think god wouldn’t let that happen to us. Another perfect example is the Catholic Church moving around “troublesome” priests. They felt a “higher authority” would punish those men, and so they shielded and protected child molesters for their faith.
@@Emiliapocalypse The central belief of the communist party in Russia was the same thing that you have stated. They thought a rejection of faith and religion would bring good outcome, in the process thousands of religious people were killed. If all religion ended tomorrow, we would find other reasons to oppress, control, kill, etc. Whether your cause is following God or atheism, if you think you are right and the other is wrong, and that you must 'fix' the other, you will quickly go from being a protector to being a persecutor.
There are a lot of Christians who believe in "the rapture." It's an invention of recent years. The word rapture isn't even in the Bible. The Bible tells us that in the last days, we will be tortured and killed...like Christ was. Some people can't accept that, they took one scripture and made up that, instead of suffering, we'll be caught up in the clouds... It ain't happening. There is no "out" from the persecution to come. The stage is being set. No one will rescue us. I believe what the Bible says is true. And it looks like the extremists, the evangelicals, will do the persecuting. They feel they have the right to hate and kill people who don't think like they do. They have perverted the word of God to fit their agenda. They scare me more than all the unbelievers. They have that cult mentality. Cults never end well...
@@miapdx503 it's a self-fulfilling prophesy. They can't wait for God to do it in their time, so they've decided to dictate to God when and how it will happen... in their time, not in God's. Not only that, the whole suffering thing is misrepresented. We are to be comforted by the resurrection when suffering comes our way, we're not suppose to be going out to find or cause suffering. When someone we love dies, we are meant to be comforted during our suffering that there will be a resurrection, we're not meant to kill them so we can suffer.
I have held to the idea that ‘Christian’s’ are so easily led off into foolishness because they don’t know what they read. They believe in a person who has taught the same rhetoric and error because they were taught error, but I always ask the same question, ‘ If Jesus the Son of God said ONLY the Father knew the day and time of the end, how is it you think you have more insight than the Son of God?’ I’m repeatedly told in a condescending tone I don’t understand the mathematics of the Bible. Mathematics is not the problem.
I truly think that if any of the people whom had their hopes up for the end of the world that day and the disappointment of the mis-judgement wouldn't have had to go through those emotions if they had read the Bible for themselves. It clearly states "no one will know the time nor the day"
@@barbarascott9174 Most of Europe thought Armageddon was going to happen, and Jesus would return, in the year 1000 A.D. Much more spectacular signs than now. Volcanic eruption,plagues of locusts and other insects, earthquakes, floods, along with all the other endemics and pandemics of malaria, TB, syphilis, etc. etc., they also had The Black Death (plague) sweeping across Europe wiping out a large percentage of the population. They had no understanding of what was happening, and no vaccinations. They couldn't communicate with each other, except by messenger. That really was like hell on Earth. Now here we are, in 2023, on the other side of a global pandemic, with understanding and vaccinations. Also, with fear-mongering being profitable. Global poverty is much lower than 50 years ago, life expectancy is higher than 50 years ago, globally, more people have access to medical care, clean water, and education, the holes in the ozone layer have repaired, people are re-wilding forrests, restoring ecosystems, re-introducing native animals that became extinct in those regions/ countries due to World War 2, etc, saving coral reefs, etc. Sure, there are many things that aren't ideal. But there is no time in history without the Biblical signs of Armageddon. And 2023 is pretty minimal compared to 999 A.D.! 😅 I mean, Jesus could have at least shown up during the height of the recent Global Pandemic ! But....he didn't. It's been approx. 2000 years. I don't think that dude is going to show up. Maybe it's time to move on, and make the most of this extraordinary and wondrous life! 😊✨️
Hello, my name is Casey Allen and I grew up in a religious cult in southeastern Ohio that began in 1998 and ended in 2015 when the church elder and one of the main pastors took a ride for 7 miles on a child’s bicycle to commit a murder and attempted kidnapping. During the reign of our Elders a lot of Abuse , physical and sexual occurred , financial fraud , tax fraud and rituals that were never uncovered or investigated . We never used medication and we never said we were ill , we were always “resisting” . We are not Mormons , We are “We The Church”
People were mad as hell the next day. We're all still here. Can you believe how much people were driven to give away or abandon what and whom means the world to them?
It's up to each individual to understand the Bible, according to the Bible. These people have no one to blame but themselves. The Bible literally says "NO MAN SHALL KNOW THE END OF DAYS." Hard to misinterpret that. Also, he has a clear narcissistic personality. Claiming he has everything correct, even after not getting it correct, makes it blatantly clear.
@@croaton07 Exactly. Many cultures have very similar prophesies about the end times. Most are for faith and hope for a wonderful future. 🫠 Jesus, told us what signs to watch for, and Bible chronology gives us an approximate period of time, but Jesus also said the final hour would “suddenly be upon us” and come as a “thief in the night” with only His Father knowing the exact day and hour. He only wanted us to have our lives in order when that time came. If we are right with God, we should not fear that day, but rather look forward to it. Better times are ahead.👍🏽🥰💞✌🏽🫠
The end of days comes when a person passes away. Jesus and God will be with you then. Anything else is not worth worrying too much about that you lose any sleep over
@@andyprompt True. 🙂 The world won’t end, because God’s original purpose for it and for us was to live forever. When humans decided they could function without God, He allowed us to use our freewill. That has been a disaster for us because we took the wrong path. We need our Creator. He sent Jesus to bail us out, but we can still screw things up as we have amply demonstrated. We have never been able to successfully govern ourselves. Evidence-based historical events have shown that when we’ve put our faith and trust in God and His Son, they’ve rescued us. It’s only a matter of time when Jesus will be the only ruler governing the earth, so we have a lot to look forward to. Only those who are blinded or have been led astray have reason to fear the future. For those who have accurate knowledge through prayer and evidence-based faith (as those mentioned in Hebrews 11), that paradise on Earth is a promise we can count on❣️👍🏽🙏🏼✌🏽🥰 We don’t have all the answers or full understanding because we are mere humans, but God provides the answers that we need. We just need to put arrogance aside and trust our Creator instead of putting our faith in imperfect humans. 🫶🏽💞😊
This is where you know people are not in the right mindset psychologically when you’re quitting your job, because at the end of the world. If the actual end of the world was going to happen, you wouldn’t have to quit your job trying to survive because your job would be there.
@@issamharrabi7514 Ive been trying to find online stories about what happened to his followers but there is almost nothing about them. I imagine ol Camping was in for a surprise when he died. Can't imagine his God would be happy over the harm he caused
This happens with cultists all the time, and they just double down on a different date. Their followers usually swallow it willingly. They would rather believe that it was just a simple misunderstanding, over believing that they’re complete fools.
There has been many predictions done by cult leaders that proved to be wrong. I wonder how they can still maintain their credibility as a leader after people found out that nothing happen on that day...
@@fritzsmith3296 Because English is not my mother tongue, I guess I used the word "wonder" in a wrong way. I am not concerned whether these cult leaders can maintain their "credibility as a leader" after the flop (the missed prediction). What I meant was, it baffles me that the followers can be so blind to what is so obvious to a non-follower (that the leader isn't a true leader but just a delusional person). Yes, we do learn from mistakes. I hope these mistakes are small ones, if they want to call themselves a "leader". By the way, this point has nothing to do with Buddhism. I am from a country where Buddhism is widely practiced. So no need to give me a lecture on this.
the same way that millions follow any religion.. they're ALL cults.. ALL of them.. how can they "believe" in talking donkeys and talking snakes and burning bushes that communicate?? how can they say their god is LOVE yet believe that he destroyed the earth and allllllllllllllllll his creations in a mass flood that killed animals and humans and innocent children AND infants?? how can they BELIEVE in a diety who they claim is omniscient.. omnipotent.. and omnipresent YET have no answer as to why or how this omni "god" couldn't see or know how badly he would disappoint himself with his own creation.. to them.. they believe that a GOD who COMMANDS that "thou shalt NOT kill" yet orders the destruction and genocide of the Amalekites isn't contradicting himself.. believers suspend logic and reason to BELIEVE in a "god" that would murder all first born male babies and thrash babies against ROCKS *yet* believe this same diety believes abortion is murder.. none of it makes any sense to anyone using their brains.. but.. to them?? it's allllllllllllllllll "good" and loving.. xtians are koo koo.. PERIOD
I remember this, when I was 14. The worst thing that happened that year for me was my Grandpas death. I hate these things though. The amount of panic I felt as a child. These were some of the reasons.
A similar religious cult happened in Uganda, East Africa back in 1999 when one, Kibwetere told his congregation that the world was to end come the year 2000. He told his followers to sell all their belongings and bring the money to his church with all their family members that God was coming to take them to heaven in an airplane. Poor believers brought and gave all their money to their leader (Kibwetere) as they entered the church. Fast forward; they all entered the church which was then tightly closed from windows to the main door with nails with Jerrycans of fuel for which they were asked to pour the fuel onto themselves. After that, they were asked to light up the candles which were in the church at that time. That was the end of their lives. Meanwhile, Kibwetere, their leader was not in the church. He gathered what he could and eyewitnesses sighted him vanishing in a government vehicle towards DRC. To date, Kibwetere has never been convicted or even hunted down. Rumors are, he and his wife are in the USA.
The mass murder/ suic*de was greater than that of Jonestown. The cult was called "Movement for the Restauration of the Ten Commandments". Yet I heard that a woman as the prophetess was the leading figure. She and her family.
This wasn't because they believed it, it was a scam. I remember at the time this happened I was quite young(middle schooler), I started to believe it in the back of my mind and felt scared. Decided to do little google search on the topic and ended up on their website. Books selling for 30 dollars! While their followers were giving up all of their possessions. I felt immediate relieved to know that this pastor didn't have any special revelations to continue to sell 30 dollar books a week before apocalypse!
Yeah the paranoia about Y2K freaked the crap out of me too growing up. It was the last time I gave any credence to paranoid doomsayers. People were jumping up and down in the Christian church. Hoping for the world's nuclear arsenal to deploy as a result of only have two digits in the year place of computer systems.
yes exactly, there's always a collection of massive amounts of money around these world ending panics Think about how much money they've stolen due to the climate change scam. "The world will end in 2007 oh wait I mean 2016, wait actually 2050" 30 years of predicting the end of the world due to climate change and NOTHING has happened except certain people getting rich🤣🤣
So nicely done. Thank you for not mocking these people. When i was in school, it was Hal Lindsay's Late Great Planet Earth. I ended up in a church that didn't believe in the second coming. We ended up turning into a cult eventually anyway 😮
@@wryckingbaul8612 I have read every religious text from the three main faiths to all the others I could get my hands on. There are some truths in those books.
“One of the saddest lessons of history is this: If we’ve been bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle. We’re no longer interested in finding out the truth. The bamboozle has captured us. It’s simply too painful to acknowledge, even to ourselves, that we’ve been taken. Once you give a charlatan power over you, you almost never get it back.” -Carl Sagan, astronomer and writer (1934-1996)
If you just read the Bible, it tells you plainly that NO MAN knows the date or hour. As someone who lived through both of these 'end days', I took comfort in knowing that camping didn't know but only The Father. Even Christ doesn't know the date but he knows us as believers. THAT is the comfort.
AMEN to that! This the reason that only the Holy Scriptures, from the mouth of God Himself can we, as believers, put our complete trust in Him through Jesus Christ.
@@vll9915 These ones? Leviticus 25:44-46 As for your male and female slaves whom you may have: you may buy male and female slaves from among the nations that are around you. You may also buy from among the strangers who sojourn with you and their clans that are with you, who have been born in your land, and they may be your property. You may bequeath them to your sons after you to inherit as a possession forever. You may make slaves of them, but over your brothers the people of Israel you shall not rule, one over another ruthlessly. Exodus 21:1-36 “Now these are the rules that you shall set before them. When you buy a Hebrew slave, he shall serve six years, and in the seventh he shall go out free, for nothing. If he comes in single, he shall go out single; if he comes in married, then his wife shall go out with him. If his master gives him a wife and she bears him sons or daughters, the wife and her children shall be her master's, and he shall go out alone. But if the slave plainly says, ‘I love my master, my wife, and my children; I will not go out free, 1Peter 2:18 Servants, be subject to your masters with all respect, not only to the good and gentle but also to the unjust. Titus 2:9-10 Slaves are to be submissive to their own masters in everything; they are to be well-pleasing, not argumentative, not pilfering, but showing all good faith, so that in everything they may adorn the doctrine of God our Savior. Ephesians 6:5 Slaves, obey your earthly masters with fear and trembling, with a sincere heart, as you would Christ Exodus 21:20-21 “When a man strikes his slave, male or female, with a rod and the slave dies under his hand, he shall be avenged. But if the slave survives a day or two, he is not to be avenged, for the slave is his money. Exodus 21:26-27 “When a man strikes the eye of his slave, male or female, and destroys it he shall let the slave go free because of his eye. If he knocks out the tooth of his slave, male or female, he shall let the slave go free because of his tooth. Exodus 21:32 If the ox gores a slave, male or female, the owner shall give to their master thirty shekels of silver, and the ox shall be stoned.
@@vll9915 What about these ones? Genesis 38:24 About three months later Judah was told, “Tamar your daughter-in-law has been immoral. Moreover, she is pregnant by immorality.” And Judah said, “Bring her out, and let her be burned.” Hosea 13:16 Samaria shall bear her guilt, because she has rebelled against her God; they shall fall by the sword; their little ones shall be dashed in pieces, and their pregnant women ripped open Samuel 12:14 Nevertheless, because by this deed you have utterly scorned the Lord, the child who is born to you shall die.”
Also, the Gospel has to be preached to EVERY tribe, nation, and tongue, before the end comes! Y'all, its 2024 and there are still unevangelized people in the world! That should have been their first clue because back then, we weren't even allowed to proselytize in every country! People don't use their brains sometimes!
It's easy people, we don't remember life before we were born and we aren't going to remember when we die the only people that suffer and the ones left behind. Live your life and be kind and help others where you can and enjoy the ride called life. And be kind to the planet for future generations.
Asking seriously, does anyone REALLY care about future generations? There's nothing we could do, other than not make it worse, that guarantees any future for anyone. The damage that has been done thus far has largely been in only the last 100 years. See how the work of generations before us didn't matter?
Yeah, I quit listening at that time. Do they not know their own book? "However, no one knows the day or hour when these things will happen, not even the angels in heaven or the Son himself. Only the Father knows." Matt 24 36
I the early 00s I lived in Pennsylvania and could not escape Camping's voice. He was all over the radio and it drove me nuts to hear that droning pavement voice. Ten years later I'm living in Los Angeles and imagine my dismay when every billboard near the 101 Freeway seemed to have these wretched end-of-the-world Family Radio doomsday adverts. I felt like he'd chased me across a continent. This is a great documentary, but I think it comes up a little short in demonstrating the sheer ferocity of the ridicule Camping and his followers had to deal with the day after the apocalypse that wasn't: also just how many people quit their jobs, sold everything they had, and spent months preaching about this event only to find themselves ruined and living out of their campers -- if they were lucky enough to own one. One family racked up six-figure debts running up dozens of credit cards so they could have a good time, "knowing" they'd never have to pay it off. How'd that feel, the day after? Camping and his inner circle ruined a lot of lives and then told their victims, quite literally, to "cope."
It's absolutely horrible when people are led to believe these fantasies that they change their lives over & they willingly go into it ignoring the logic that stares them in the face. Logic that they probably used throughout their lives to cope with life's difficulties. Suddenly it all goes out the window for a god. The zaniest ideas seem believable, so they go with it, & keep going & going. Making up excuses along the way.
It strikes me that most if not all of these cultists are/were caring, intelligent, articulate, educated people. And yet they believed such an extreme hypothesis with no physical evidence to support it, such as major seismic anomalies or an asteroid bearing down on the Earth. It makes me wonder how many of my own beliefs are irrational.
@tandme2342I suppose but some people define evidence differently. I personally never really bought into any kind of spiritual higher power growing up. Until I witnessed and felt various things that made me consider maybe something is out there that’s supernatural. I have no way to show that to you personally though.
I worked with 5 people who swore that our global civilization was going to collapse in 2006. Their whacky rhetoric created such a disturbance in our workplace, that all of them were fired. They were such an odd group of people. 😆
For the life of me I will never understand why anyone with a measurable form of intelligence fall for religious scammers. The single moment money becomes an item in any discussion with any religious person, run like there is no tomorrow. Nobody can predict the future!
The power of the cult depends upon the vulnerability of people. There is something desperately missing in peoples lives that they hang onto such irrational rhetoric. As said in the film by Dr Tavris, the more someone proclaims their belief in this organisation publicly, the more they’re invested in upholding this view. That’s when you see people rationalising the irrational. Now that really is the dangerous bit. People will say or do things not to look foolish, or ‘batting for the wrong team’. So do we see this happening now? If so Where? Well, It’s happening right now, right under our noses, in the most dangerous of ways. We only need to look at the political activity in the USA over recent years, more specifically in relation to Donald Trump. His language, his actions, his target group, his ability to say such utterly inaccurate things that are believed by so many without question. These for me, are undoubtedly the components of a cult which has no regard for the individual follower, only their leader and his ‘fixers’. There are many other examples across the planet. But for me this is the one that presents the greatest danger for so many today.
I was a part of his first false prophecy in 1994, and I thank God for taking me out of that cult. Did false prophet Harold Camping wreck my faith? Not at all! My faith is in JESUS CHRIST, not in any man. Today, I am blessed to be in full-time Christian ministry, teaching and preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God from a King James Bible. Amen! This documentary was very well done and totally fair.
I remember the Priest in my parish making fun about this type of nonsense. He had a special day every year dedicated to the end of the world. He had a ferocious sense of humour.
@@johnbrowne2170 Yeah, as a matter of fact he did. It is a difficult topic. This is a problem in all organisations. Sometimes you get the wrong kind of people in and power and prestige get the better of the institution.
@@laurentdrozin812 Did he talk about the Roman Catholic Church's practice of sending abusive priests to other parishes were they continued to abuse children? Did he talk about how the church covered up the abuse or denied it? There have been cases of abuse in other churches but the Catholic church wallows in it. I know I'm a former Catholic. Isn't that far worse than making fun of pastors who believe in the Rapture (which isn't the end of the world)?
When my kids were small, probably 2002, i used to listen to this guy on repeat. By the time 2011 came around i had moved on but i still remember the sense of urgency in the prophetic world in general. The tsunami was supposed to strike NYC, everyone was having visions.
I guess they knew nothing about every other Doomsday cult, the Great Disappointment and the "corrected" date shortly after that when absolutely nothing happened.
It's so arrogant to believe that everyone has has it wrong but among the billions of people, they have the truth. They can see the foolishness and wishful thinking in others but are not humble enough to question their own beliefs
I absolutely love this kind of stuff. These moron cult leaders and religious leaders that preach these end times dates are so damn entertaining. The people that eat this stuff up are so very sad. It's crazy how susceptible some people are to just accepting this utter nonsense.
It's weird I remember I was a teenager in 2011. I'd heard the end of the world stuff, but never took it seriously. Crazy how there were adults getting ready for The End.
I wish this documentary went into the real harm that was done by Camping. What about the woman who slit her daughters throats because she believed Camping's prediction? What about the people who gave All of their money to Camping? Sold their homes? What about the suicides? The people in this video were able to regroup but many were not. My cousin was one who was duped by Camping. He sent the guy $100 per month. In the last year prior to May 21st. my cousin received a letter from Camping asking him to Double his monthly donation, and my cousin did. He sent Camping $200 a month. So much for Camping claiming his literature was Free and rejecting the $5. That family became rich over it. They walked away with Millions $$$$$. Also, my father (not a Camping follower) who is a brilliant man, did the math based on Camping's self-proclaimed Biblical calculations and discovered Camping had miscalculated Biblical genealogy based on simple math.. He wrote Camping to show him his error but never heard back from him. He was a fraud.
Yeah....its hard to find info on them. Probably because the stories are way too dark and the media has always had a pro christian bias. The only person I could find info on was the transit engineer who gave him all his life savings. Of course he felt justified in it because he couldnt psychologically handle the fact he got defrauded.
This guy should be in Wall Street!
@@eleazarlopez3292 He fleeced the flock and then he died. Karma has a way of catching up.
When someone gets "sucked into a cult" it is next to impossible to get him or her out of it. Sometimes I don't know what to call them: "victims" or "fools"?
@@dissidentfairy4264 Karma? What are you talking about? The man died at 92, karma ain't got nothing to do with it, it was just time for him to go. I wish my mom could've live to 92.
It's actually very sad how people go so far as quitting their jobs, etc...the power of cult thinking is astonishing...
That's because our human need for certainty is a basic survival instinct, as powerful as our need for food or water. From the cradle to the grave we crave certainty of what is true. That's especially true of people like the leader who was trained as a civil engineer. They have extreme difficulty simply saying "I don't know."
There was a cult 2 years ago. Most ppl believed it and many ppl died or injured, young and old.
Yea i agree christianity sucks
@@outlastthebacklash8049 We are getting better at saying "I don't know" Religion believe it or not, is declining in numbers across North America. Not so much globally.
99.999% of these beliefs are taught to children by their parents. It's indoctrination before the frontal cortex is fully developed, before a person under 18 years of age, and capable of critical thinking.
Fiction doesn't deliver certainty
It’s the guy graduating with a degree in philosophy but still doesn’t possess the capabilities to question this. In addition to basing his beliefs on his feelings over logic… my mind is blown.
Im not too surprised. When I got my Masters I met people who couldnt write to save their lives. Some didnt even know what a debate was. At least three different professors praised my writing. So I guess that is sadly common
Nicy.. You mean the young black man? He decided to study philosophy AFTER the failed prophecy.
@@noname-by3qz No, he already had just received a bachelor's degree in philosophy and after the failed prophecy, he decided to get his master's degree in philosophy.
I think people who are hitting a sort of crisis in their lives might WANT the end of the world to come...Even a "good" crisis like his graduation. He was anxious about his final exams and anxious about disappointing his mom. I bet if all the true believers were interviewed they'd be in some sort of anxiety-provoking situation.
@@lwscijunkie That's an excellent point! 🎯👍🏼💯💯
My gosh, I just got out of the Jonathan Kleck Cult! This is so spot on with the behaviors of people and the “prophet” that they listen too! Thank you so much for your work!
Ohhh I was caught up with Kleck for a while as well. Though I do believe some of what he explains, it got way to culty and ridiculous and I stepped away for good
Shame on those who perpetrated this. So many neighborhood teens and young adults showed up at my mother’s door terrified over this prediction. She did her best to calm them, but the fear in their eyes was awful.
For real. God Bless your mother.
But….those who spread this were mainly true believers, and who thought by warning as many as they could they were giving some the chance to repent and be saved for eternity. It’s like a person who has a dream that a particular highway overpass will collapse, and so thinks it will actually happen that day and run out into the road to block traffic and not let people drive onto the overpass….they are doing wrong, but for the “right” reason - they think they were helping people, and if correct, they WOULD be helping.
So, are there “perpetrators?” And if so…of what? Not fraud, as they absolutely believed they were right. And it’s unlikely a fraud “preacher” would make a fake prediction, which they knew would be shown wrong, and thereby lose most or all of their income. I don’t think there was a perpetrator, just people who were very misguided and not correct.
@@Itried20takennames And in that day it shall come to pass, a great tumult from the Lord shall be among them; and they shall lay hold every one on the hand of his neighbor, and his hand shall rise up against the hand of his neighbor. Zec 14;13
Tumult = disbelief & confusion
...that IS 'spiritual judgement' Have you read the news since May 21, 2011?
Because I have called, and ye refused; I have stretched out my hand, and no man regarded; But ye have set at nought all my counsel, and would none of my reproof: I also will laugh at your calamity, I will mock when your fear cometh; Pr 1; 24-26
FEAR is exactly what He said would happen...
Surely the Lord GOD will do nothing, but he revealeth his secret unto his servants the prophets. Amos 3;7
READ THE BOOK ! In your patience possess ye your souls... We are only half way through judgement day, it is the 'storm' that separates those who built their house on sand and those who built upon the rock.
That is very unfortunate. I was lucky to be totally oblivious to the whole thing. I was newly married at the time, and my wife and I were too busy decorating the apartment and planning our upcoming first anniversary vacation. The news and world events were not even on my radar at the time.
@@Itried20takennames I agree. This whole thing doesn't make sense as a bad-faith scam. Just a bunch of people who were fooled by people who already fooled themselves.
“Humans aren’t rational creatures. We are RATIONALIZING creatures.” A person could take literally ANY stance/position and justify it to Hell until it makes some sort of sense. Truly fascinating.
@@TheGhostOfMichaelJackson source?
Romans 8:7
Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
1 Corinthians 2:14
But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
Matthew 24:36
But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.
Matthew 25:13
Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh.
Yes i believe we are living in it..
Yes we see what we want to see.
@@LunaLaLove33
Psalm 10:3
For the wicked boasteth of his heart's desire, and blesseth the covetous, whom the Lord abhorreth.
What CHILDREN of people like this have to endure breaks my heart.
Well the church age is over, so your parents can't get on you violating God's command, when they themselves, didn't obey the command to flee the churches since God brought Judgment upon them.
The Churches are under the same wrath that is the world is currently under. Just as the churches went mad, with falling over backwards, speaking in tongues, holy laughter. So too has the world God mad. They've been given the same cup of wrath to drink as a Judgment upon them.
Jeremiah 25:15 ¶ For thus saith the LORD God of Israel unto me; Take the wine cup of this fury at my hand, and cause all the nations, to whom I send thee, to drink it. 16 And they shall drink, and be moved, and be mad, because of the sword that I will send among them. 17 ¶ Then took I the cup at the LORD'S hand, and made all the nations to drink, unto whom the LORD had sent me:
The churches were sent this cup of wrath because Judgment FIRST began upon them. What happens if they refused the cup?
Jeremiah 25:28 And it shall be, if they refuse to take the cup at thine hand to drink, then shalt thou say unto them, Thus saith the LORD of hosts; Ye shall certainly drink.
Jeremiah 25:29 For, lo, I begin to bring evil on the city which is called by my name, and should ye be utterly unpunished? Ye shall not be unpunished: for I will call for a sword upon all the inhabitants of the earth, saith the LORD of hosts.
The city called by God's name is the churches in view.
@@lrak13 An all-knowing all-powerful god foreordained everything that happens and then blames it on us. Your deity is insane.
@@lrak13OK, whatever you're on, count me. 😊
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Romans 9:20 Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus?
Romans 9:21 Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?
@@lrak13 That's like saying a father can do whatever he wants with his children, no matter how cruel, because he made them.
My father believed in Harold Camping and his May 21, 2011 prediction. He was a dedicated follower of Mr. Camping and would listen to Open Forum on Family Radio daily. It was sad to watch his delusional decline. On May 21, 2011 at 6pm he gathered our family at the table. He prayed and wept. He genuinely believed. I remember being terrified. It had a very big impact on my departure from Christ.
Thank you for your story? Did your father continue to follow Camping alter and how did he réaction after the 21st
How sad that another human could convince, or contribute, to your departure from Christ Jesus!
that's unreal!,,, prayed and wept!,, sounds like a scene from a Movie!,,,, some crazy radio guy!. Im lost for words,,,, here in New England we shovel, rake leaves go fishin and huntin; and we'd call anyone out who was saying crazy sh*t like that. If your father Really believed that he shouldn't have been Afraid!,,,, (the world isn't going to end that way, the Bible lays out the final chapter in Revelation. the whole world is Not going to perish all at once,, the bible Never ever says that. Well,, can i say try God, He is our Father, we are His children, You want your Father to be happy with how you live our life. Ithe jesus story is very sketchy),, the bible says dont be around sinners, he went around sinners. and rode on tha Donkey,, That's not God,, God wouldn't ride on a donkey,,, There's a key verse 'Cursed is any man that dies on a tree',,,,,,,,, That was a Firm Jewish Belief. He died on a tree.. (he was a coward he tried to run away, ),,, God is dark skinned Alll Mighty, All Loving, Majestic. jesus was not jamestic at all. just be a God person.you get it,,, wow how old were you?? maybe a young teenager? Your father was a weak man ,,,,, He shoudl have had NO FEAR if he really trusted in God. That sexual abuse scaldal was the END of my church days,,, But i keep God in my life, it's One God with many gifts,, if you pray over your food peacefullly,, Just Dear God Thank you for this food... and remember He sends special angels to bring us what only God could give,,,
Don't throw the baby out with the bath water. I saw Camping's teachings and he's really not very bright and had some very disturbing views. Are you sure you want to throw away Christ simply because of one charlatan? Really?
@@beeintelligent3259it’s their right to believe or not believe on anything they choose.
"The more I learn about people, the more I like my dog."---Mark Twain ❣️ 🐶 🐕
So Very Very True 👍
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@@jataim4197 That goes for my kitty too
Neuroscience is so fascinating. I am in my second year of studies in the psychology field. I just finished a sociology course and am in social psychology now. I love learning about these things whereas my mother would scare me to death about judgment day when I was younger. Granted, she was diagnosed with schizophrenia and quite intense. It's amazing how people form decisions and magnetize to such beliefs. I felt bad when the woman said they weren't illiterate or naive. I believe that, but people can get so sucked up into something when they seek the "truth" or just need something that feels tangible to them to believe in.
Religions and Beliefs begun thousands years ago when the fist Idiot meet the first Slick.
His true nature is revealed when asked about the people who are left with nothing due to his teachings.
He was a little old man sad
A monster in desguise!
“Calling names doesn’t help anything.” -Camping, after the failure of his prophesy, to a FR caller who asked him “What say ye now?”
Yes!
These people are sad/disappointed because they didn't die... that's a new level of craziness.
Lmao 😂
They are mad that OTHERS didn’t die. They get saved.
Not really, they were brainwashed to believe they would have a better life after death.
Same ppl who act like they are ready to die bcz of what's on the other side awaiting them (they think) are the same ones still wearing mask and getting injected over and over bcz they are scared to die 🙃
they just didn't want to work anymore.. they were ready for a heavenly vacation.. 🤣🤣🤣
how stupid they must feel.. that dad admitting he now has to seek employment.. twat a DERP
his poor sons.. some people don't deserve to be parents
“But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father. Mathew 24:36
Why do you suppose in the next verses He mentions Noe ? I'm pretty sure your pastor didn't notice that, eh?
Noah was warned 120 years in advance, then seven days.
The Hebrews were told they would be in bondage 400 years, and they were.
The Israelites were told they would be in Babylon 70 years, and they were.
...perhaps you would do well to read the whole bible - cherry picking is not acceptable nor honest.
...and what time zone is Manilla, or Moscow, or?
...Adam knew his wife
... The Lord is known by the judgement which he executeth.
KNOW is not so simple as you might think...
Love and kisses Jim.......@@jim9930
YES!!! Apparently, Camping hasn't read the 24th chapter of Matthew, lol! That, or he did read it and thinks he has knowledge beyond the Son of God, which is very dangerous territory!
Interesting that Camping was worth $75 million and never gave it away before May 21, 2011. After telling others they would not need money, jobs, houses and to give those away.
I always wonder whether cult leaders buy into the bullshit they’re selling and abuse they’re inflicting and to what degree. Clearly this guy had at least one foot in reality.
Thank you for this thoughtful account of the Harold Camping debacle! I listened to his call-in radio show for several years prior to 2011, and the format Camping followed allowed him to manipulate and bully callers by just steamrolling over them. He would frequently begin an answer with, “well you see, the fact of the matter is…” thus allowing him time to pull something out of his hat. Sometimes he would not even answer a thoughtful question and just babble. What I found dangerous was his propensity to quote himself! He had been writing books and doing the show for so many years that he would quote earlier quotes from his own books! I also thought that many lonely people were soothed by his deep, sonorous voice, but his failure to take any responsibility for his own words was so disturbing. I hope and pray that his former followers have found some greater knowledge and peace.
“.........and shall we take our next caller?” 😮
And we are watching another one do the same on the right.🤦♂️
It's amazing to me how sad and disappointed everybody looks that millions of people didn't perish.
I know, right? Those are the very hypocrites & false prophets the Bible warns us about, and I just don't know why people don't see that. The Bible clearly states that "no one" can tell when the so-called judgment day is. God never tells us to do some silly calculations to figure it out. Personally, I think that's everyday. God is watching us everyday & He knows which ones are which. God is all about Life & New Beginnings, so people should watch out for those hypo's & falso's spreading lies with their doomed ideas of endings & destructions. Our Lord Jesus Christ Lives On and so do we. There is no end.
So anyone who is not lazy to actually read the Bible would have a sneaking suspicion that those hypocrites are actually satanists pretending to be Christians & deliberately trying to make real Christians look bad, hence the moniker "hypocrites"! So beware of fake churches, folks. Remember, when they try to give you a specific date to scare you, that should be a clue of a satanic cult pretending to be Christian church.
Also be wary of anything that asks you for money. That's another clue right there.
Also the Bible says not to cut or mark your skin, and also warns us against fortunetellers & psychic mediums. Remember just this bit and you can greatly avert the danger of falling as a victim of such fraud. So personally I would stay away from people-looking creatures with tattoos & piercings that like to see the stars in their cards. I know, it sounds too funny.
That's not why they were sad. They were not sad because people weren't destroyed.
They we're sad because they were hoping to leave a world full of troubles.
Why twist it in that way?
@@lrak13 I don't know,... Maybe because for them to "leave their troubles" as you put it... The entire human race has to die....
I got a job because the person who had it left to go spread this message. Our coworkers tried to get him to not quit, but he said he was an adult and would do what he wanted to do. After it didn't happen, his sisters tried to get his job back. The company told him no. He rebounded, but I always felt awkward
If I were you I would've thanked him. Hey! Sometimes it's hard to get a job.
Dont be, hes doesn't feel awkward the prediction failed, I bet he even rationalized and still believes happily.
@@hermitcard4494 Did you hear what JW's said after the claim failed?
"It's the beginning of the end", then gave another date for the end of the world. Do you know what they said after that one?
"It's the final phases of the beginning of the end of the world"
Religion always moves the goalpost. Pretty soon god will be the atom that created it all, after science proves it.
"ALL PRAISE THE ATOM"
@@chrisccc22 i think you misunderstood my comment. Prediction failed yet those people feel not even shame. So why would the guy from comment feel any awkwardness with him? he feels no shame for himself.
@@hermitcard4494 I don't think I missed it at all. It's not shame though. It's cognitive dissonance. The very topic of the video.
We have to think for ourselves, not give our power to someone claiming to know more than us.
I think that the key word that you used is, "claiming". There will always be people who know more than we do about many subjects. It's important to listen to experts in their fields; as we can't be experts everything. But, experts needs to have valid credentials and what they say needs to be supported by evidence.
Exactly what Socrates proposed. And they killed him.
LIKE doctors ,scientist, engineers etc
yep,, that vaccine was Never approved. They had almost no human studies,,, they passed it through as a "emergency measure', but it's still not approved.. Vaccines have to Very thoroughly tested and monitored for years and years.
@@susanmcdonald9088exactly, never give power or your allegiance to anyone!
"We're special and everyone else isn't" is a cornerstone of milking money from the sheeples.
One of the hallmarks of a cult.
I love this comment! Sheeple is the perfect name for them!
If someone with bigger house tells you "we" stop listening.
Apocalyptic entitlement lives in every generation. “We’re so special that this is the last generation.”
Refreshing to see another mind stating this same obvious observation.
We’re not special in that way, and this is not the last generation. It continually astonishes me that people generally are very credulous. I don’t want to indulge in reckless generalizations, because I know many intelligent folk who are not credulous, who won’t fall for the slickest sounding snake-oil salesman. I think it may have something to do with how precarious the social structure of the US continues to become. It’s like the ground is shaking metaphorically under our feet. The need for something to hold onto, some kind of belief system becomes more important with each passing day. There’s panic in the air. That may sound extreme, yes, but the times are extreme manifesting in numerous ways, not least of which is the insane politics going on. A lot of people are scared about what’s happening to the USA.
I came home from church youth group in 1989 and told my dad how we just found out that we were the super hand-selected last days youth. Dad informed me he was told the same thing in the same group in 1960-ish. Yet somehow he continues with our lovely high-demand religion to this day. Now I have gray hair and my contemporaries have grandchildren who are being told that they are the extra-special last generation before the coming of Christ.
This kind of stuff terrifies and traumatises children
Children? I'm in my 50's and scares the living tihs out of me.
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Absolutely. I gotta say I did laugh when the mom said her daughters reaction was “you messed up my perfect attendance” 😂 poor girl I’m sure it traumatized her more than she’d realize at the time but that day she was like mom you ruined my attendance for your bullshit again!
And adults.
Not strong children.
My favorite part is how they think people are going to experience the end of the world at different times, because they are in a different time zone.
That's actually pretty hilarious
For all of his claims to have studied the Bible, it's curious that he never read the part where Jesus tells us not to set dates in eschatology!
Really dumb of him to do this when Jesus clearly warns not to set dates!
Can't help but being reminded of Gremlins. Never feed them after midnight.
@@victoriousjoy9338the narcissism of this man to believe he is smarter than every other person in history is astounding. " look, I did some rudimentary math " . smh. His poor followers
I find it almost endearing how that woman was so convinced everyone on the planet had heard about this when I personally know plenty of people in my country who had not.
I mean, it’s a detail in comparison of the belief in the end of the world itself but goes to show how America-centric the whole movement is.
Thank you. The comment I was looking for. I kept waiting to hear them mention us Africans even in the slightest… ❤
@@silaton305 It’s stunning how little concern these people have for any other country than America.
Did anyone around you hear about this whole “the world is gonna end!” business?
Apparently, God only cares about America and sends his message about his second coming only to them
@@silaton305 not everything is about you.
@@Nocturnalux I just heard about this non event in 2022.
I remember kids in middle school freaking out over this. When I saw them next, I asked them what happened… they all got mad at me lol.
Religious indoctrination is abuse, especially when it comes to children.
Just listen to Camping a couple of days later on the set of his show telling everyone that October 21 is the new date and deflecting from his failures by saying that the recession has been much harder on his members than his own failed prophesy. He was a narcissist whose business became end times prophesy.
I think the USA is sort of primed for this mentality. When I see them pledge allegiance to a flag, when they have bibles in every hotel room, they have prayer in schools and in congress, then we all saw 1/6 and it became clear to me.
It's really sad how far the country has fallen due to all this "patriotism" and Fox N*ws and all these religious folk.
Religion is the most dangerous concept of mankind
While it is true that religious indoctrination can be abuse, it does not mean it always is.
Harold Camping was not part of a church and the churches went mad due to God's Judgment upon them.
However, the world can not talk about abuse or indoctrination when children are allowed to change their gender, and mutilate body parts. Or when children are killed by the millions in the womb, some reports of limbs be ripped from limb. They can't talk about abuse when they allow Drag queens to dance in front of their children. Or take their children to a gay parade and watch half naked men lather baby oil over themselves. Or further more grow up with two Dads, or two moms. Or how about the high divorce rate that is permitted in society where children suffer trauma from their parents splitting up.
No, the world has lost their sense of morality.
@@brentwalker8596 "Prophecy" is the noun you want. "Prophesy" is the verb: "He promised to prophesy to the population."
He studied for 10 hours a day, for years, and the one passage he missed was Mark 13:32.
And Matthew 24:36
The brain is a powerful thing. That's probably why religion is so bent on 'keeping the faith'. You can literally believe in something so much that you make it your truth even if it's not. Multiply that by billions of people, all believing the same thing and there you go... This was super interesting to watch.
Have you seen the documentary Dominion here on TH-cam. That is the strongest evidence of cognitive dissonance.
@@mariemaier5630 I have not, but I will definitely give it a look. Thank you 👍🏼
As someone who grew up in an end-of-days religious cult, I can 100% agree with your comment about "faith". It's all about magical thinking with these folks. They will pretzel-logic anything to make it fit their worldview.
What's interesting, is that even within those billions that believe...something, none of them can agree on what it is.
Religion makes you believe that people levitate and resurrect!
Family radio also predicted the end of the world was gonna be in September 1994. My stepmother quit her job as a- well she had a VERY good job, liquidated her stocks n shit she had in the company, decided she had enough to live on for the last 6 months of the world. My dad was done. They divorced. The house got sold, we moved out. She told the people who bought it they could move on Oct 1, and never packed a box. This shit ruins lives.
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😅😅😅😅😅 im sorry but that hilarious
The fool hath said in his heart: there is no God. Judgement day IS supposed to ruin the lives of the wicked by design! What? Did you expect a walk in the park?
Because I have called, and ye refused; I have stretched out my hand, and no man regarded; But ye have set at nought all my counsel, and would none of my reproof: I also will laugh at your calamity, I will mock when your fear cometh; Pr 1; 24-26
The sad part is, they're still out there.
I'm sorry, but I laughed so hard at this comment ! So brilliantly written !
I love how much this documentary focuses on understanding the behavior rather than passing judgment on it. The focus on analysis and treating the people involved the same as they would in any other study creates such a healthy outlook on it. While not involved in this sort of thing myself, I knew people who genuinely believed in Judgment Day, and the backlash they felt afterward ended up ruining some relationships, with some delving into deeper isolation and refusing any form of discussion. An approach to their situation like this makes me a little bit happier with humanity and academics.
Completely unrelated to this fantastic documentary, but Harold Camping sounds like the king from Disney's Atlantis.
The “behaviors” of those who did unfortunate, dreadful things after this failed prediction: No One Knows the Day or Hour. But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, but My Father only. Is horrific and may be unforgivable.
@@beeintelligent3259 🤡
@@beeintelligent3259it’s forgivable but you’re right-Jesus Himself said he didn’t know when the day of His return would be.
@@beeintelligent3259 If only people really studied their Bibles instead of using self interpretation guided by some false religious leader. Jesus taught us to use Scripture to interpret the meaning of other Biblical passages. Many people just read passages in isolation and out of context or just believe what they are taught without doing their own prayerful research. None of us can know everything, but Scripture tells us that more would be revealed in these last days. 🙏🏽👍🏽
know you are right and go ahead
Back in the 1970s during my Jesus Freak daze I was in a hippie-dippie group called Shiloh Youth Revival that was based in Oregon. I was vulnerable and just graduated from college when I became part of this group as it offered a safe haven from the craziness of the times. We were big on 'the last days' and the rather bizarre leader of the group often did 'studies' on it. I cringe when I think about the things I told people. As I got older and realized that wishing 'the end of all things' on people was just a sideways way of hating people. Thank goodness I saw the light and have been a devout atheist for 30 years now. : )
Were you part of Children of God - or using the term "jesus freak" in its more colloquial sense? As much as they horrify me, I'm not aware of ever meeting one.
Different decade and different state, but yes, that was me too. I wasn't doing well in college, aimless and alone, and stumbled into a Bible study that was borderline cultish. Nice people, very sincere, instant friendship. But there were never more than a dozen core members plus some hanger-ons, so the pastor closed it and moved away.
I'm good on the "sideways way of hating people" remark, but not the "devout atheist". Maybe God is real, just some of His followers are misguided.
“Religion poisons everything”
Hitchens
This Documentary has Everything.
Drama, Hope, Comedy, Suspension.
Well Edited, Good Show!!😁
I couldn’t agree with you more. It’s EVERYTHING and MORE
It's crazy 😂😂😂😂🎉🎉🎉🎉
Yep. That's why I keep watching it over and over again ! I'm almost addicted. 😊
The fact that Family Radio studios were located next to a building with a sign advertising a psychic made me laugh out loud.
The psychic was probably more legitimate 😂
They are the same to me. Both prey on people who will believe anything.
They all follow the same mumbo jumbo
Me too
Me too
This video makes me feel sadness that my fellow humans are in so much pain. They are not crazy out gullible, they are in pain needing something to fill their emptiness
Unfortunately your sadness will be spent for nothing........even when you fill their cup, they will grab another empty cup to fill.
They are gullible. If you can’t come to terms that the world is a cold, harsh place and you have to lie to yourself to make yourself feel better, you’re gullible. I don’t think it’s a terrible thing, I think it’s a coping mechanism.
Yep they need psychiatrist's appointment
They are not crazy but they are gullible by definition.
@@bigwendigo2253 there is a difference between being stupid and ignorant and outright gullible
However, just because the world can be unfair doesn’t mean we should continue to make it unfair or more unfair or outright do bad things.
Happy to report that we are still here watching your crap on May 24th 2023
Where's an eschatologist when you need one?
@@IbnBahtutaThere is one on every corner. I enjoyed watching this yesterday ✌🏾
Now, March 10, 2024
May 31st, 2024😂
@@moondarkness 😂
5 times 10 times 17 equals "There's no way that's not going to happen."
I really feel bad for Harold if he believe(d)(s) that. I feel ten times worse for those who were born into this world of lies and pessimism.
This was a really compassionate look into what happened. It’s nice to see critique without mocking people.
I strongly agree. I give fanatics a break if they don't hurt anyone (mainly the believers) because they truly meant well, and acted out of love, in a way that harmed no one. So they were wrong. So what? I'm wrong at least every day.
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Seriously? Read a couple comments before her comment! No one got harm? WRONG! Some lost everything. Some committed suicide!!
@@beeintelligent3259 I definitely realize people were harmed. I have sympathy for all but the cult leader. I still like a critique and honest view into the people in a way that doesn’t mock. Except the leader. Screw that guy.
Unfortunately, mocking is sometimes necessary. Simply "critiqueing" this doesn't give people the impression that religion is as inane and harmful as it is. It may seem tactless, but it sometimes takes people being told and shown how STUPID it is for them to grasp reality. Maybe when people realize how idiotic religion is, they will be less apt to continue in it in some other form.
i'm mocking them inwardly.
There is a lesson and story that might be missed in this doc. They touch on it briefly. Harold Camping, for a generation, for many decades was a fairly orthodox, uncontroversial, 'family friendly', radio and sometimes television standard Christian pastor. Even if you were not an 'evangelical' type - few people could say a bad thing. Camping was a vanilla ice cream, reliable, steady stuff. So reliable, so admired, such a strong 'rock' of the church that when 'dementia' or call it 'senility' started taking its slow toll on Camping - nobody could see it. Nobody around him understood that Camping had to retire. Nobody could say anything.
There should have been a time when all the younger people (by young I mean 50 to 70) they should have lovingly but firmly moved Rev Camping into a retired non-teaching position.
Jim Jones of Kool Aid infamy started out as fairly orthodox, a uniter of people who were normally at odds for the time. I don’t believe he had dementia, but due to unresolved trauma in his childhood and teens, the power went to his head and in the end, he became psychotic. These are cautionary tales for the ordinary people, members of the congregation. Very few of us will become a Harrold Camping or Jim Jones, but most fall prey to the idolatry of such.
@@mariekatherine5238 No, Jim Jones didn't start out like that. He started out as a miserable communist, a 60s radical Leftist and really was 'Woke' ahead of his time.
He maintained quite a lot of that through and through his communist movement.
Harold Camping and Jim Jones are nearly the very opposite of each other.
People like you and KKK members may not be able to see that but most people can.
@@topsuperseven7910 Not as a teen preacher in church. It was when he was a young adult that he turned all radical.
I don’t know, dude was already predicting the end in 1994. Did he already have dementia then? I mean, it’s possible but still.
I think the problem runs deeper. If you accept magical thinking as valid- old holy texts with predictions and hidden codes- the exact content does not even matter: you can be made to believe anything.
@@Nocturnalux You can even make people believe there is no 'afterlife' or any kind of god and death is no more or less than what you were before you were born.
Anyway, contrary to your beliefs, a statistical zero people believed this was the last day on earth. statistically a 'zero' with a odd little sprinkle and they didn't believe 'anything' but instead very very specific things.
Hearing Val say, "how can a man who retired, doesn't take a salary, and spends 10hrs a day studying..." that got me, I'm an exvangelical. Minister, teacher, member...the date setters are some of the most passionate people you'll find, but, so are cult leaders. If what comes from the mouth behind the Pulpit doesn't match up with the Book, that should be a red flag.
The saddest of all, is to think about how many families followed an old man to the brink and were left there. Some places won't rehire a recent employee who quit. "Hey, so, the rapture didn't happen, can I have my desk back?" The kids involved are the ones who suffer the most, in these situations. They can't control what the parents do, but it directly controls everything about the child's life. talk about trust issues.
The rapture is a part of the cult you are in. The evangelicals in America have become hate and fear mongers. Misogynistic teachings that oppress women. Hate for gay and transgender people. Support of a political leader that tried to overturn and election by cheating and attacking our capital. I am Catholic. Our pope denounces such things and we were the first Christians. The false hateful prophets in this country calling themselves evangelical are ungodly and not if God. Jesus didn’t teach what your churches teach. I feel very sad for people in your churches being led astray, away from the heart of Jesus. I feel sorry for what your churches have become and pray you find your way back to the Prince of Peace and away from your reliance on your own Biblical interpretations instead of the Holy Spirit.
44:33 Q:.."how can a man who retired, doesn't take a salary, and spends 10hrs a day studying...get everything so wrong?"
A: ...frankly he starts out with wrong assumptions to begin with...how can he not go wrong...note this dismissive quote from Camping's "End of the Church Age, and After...it was a fatal error...
"...The Preterit Position
Before we continue our study, we should look at the contention of those who insist that the teaching of Matthew 24 concerning the destruction of the temple was completely fulfilled in A.D. 70. In that year, the Roman Titus completely destroyed Jerusalem. Their contention is, therefore, that we are not to look at Matthew 24 or any other chapters of a similar nature to assist us with an understanding of the events in the church or the world near the end of time. This is theologically called the preterit position. Preterit simply means that which has already happened. The preterit position was held by many theologians in years gone by....
...Thus, we must understand that the so-called preterit position has no Biblical validity of any kind. WE must understand that the whole chapter is discussing the Great Tribulation and the end of the world. (Harold Camping, " End of the Church Age... and After", pg 126-127)
@Madame d'Badger Thank you❤
@Madame d'Badger Well written. The ego can be a devil in disguise.
I wouldn't rehire someone who quit because they thought the world was about to end. That's a potential mass shooter right there.
The similarities to the Jehovah's Witness religion and all its failed prophesies is stunning, yet sad to see.
The sunk costs fallacy, along with cognitive dissonance, has such a strong grip on these cults
It’s so amazing to me that the JWs were able to continue their cult following such a clear and public fiasco, and yet they did. Ugh.
Dude and honestly, this guy is way more tame than the whack jobs on the jw governing body. I was born in and escaped. For months after I left, all I could do was feel stunned as I looked back at what born-ins are put through. It’s wholesale institutionalized abuse.
There's an old slogan that fits this group perfectly. "Man plans & God laughs".
Whenever I'm watching this, I often wonder if God didn't actually have a good laugh about this !
i grew up as a little kid in a Pentecostal church that basically told me that world was going to end any minute now back in the late 1970s/early 1980s. it's very surprising to be alive and well in 2022! Who would have imagined that?
This reality has spiritually died/ended. Physically without spirit is death.
The current cult is the climate activists/ alarmists who claimed the world is going to end. First the entire world was going to be under water by 2012. Now it is extinction of all life by the end of 2031.
It's all crap we're out here and we suffer its never ending we smile for the world while we are dying inside a little more each time until eventually you just stop caring about any of it all together
@@peggyself4012 I am at 52 years of decay. When I die, I turn to dust and that's it. I'm living the "only life I KNOW I have" to the fullest.
I will be kind, caring, considerate, sympathetic, empathetic, and happy. No book is needed to tell me how to possess those character traits.
The bible itself says no human knows the time or the date
it's quite impressed me, how this old guy has a very thick mentality and such calmness while he made great mistakes for people around the world.
What is worst someone saying “elephants can fly” or people not using any critical or rational thinking and believing it? He is only one person that telling nonsense on purpose or actually being delusional and believing it vs hundreds if not more who though “well he is holding a bible, the most accurate and harmless book ever written he must be right”.
Camping was a delusional malignant narcissist. He couldn't give up the idea that he was the one who had predicted the end. When he tried to explain his failure by claiming that "God has come spiritually" he did the same thing that Jehova's Witnesses did long ago when their prophesy of the end of the world failed. The prophesy fails and these liars just make a claim that is unfalsifiable.
They followed him like blind 🤡. Humans cant cope with taking responsibility for their support of outrageousness- so its easy to put all blame on this guy, and not on the idiots who helped build him
But God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty; And base things of the world, and the things which are despised, hath God chosen, yea, and things which are not, to bring to nought things that are. That no flesh should glory in his presence.
The fear of the Lord is the beginning of understanding, but fools despise wisdom and instruction.
...That's what Harold was up to - FEAR (the great divider?)
Because I have called, and ye refused; I have stretched out my hand, and no man regarded; But ye have set at nought all my counsel, and would none of my reproof: I also will laugh at your calamity, I will mock when your fear cometh.
...it was a TEST
Some blew their life savings for fear of missing out (no patience, which is a fruit of the Spirit)
Some ignored completely (proving they never were a child of God)
Some gave heed and looked much deeper into the bible (hunger and thirst for righteousness, a trait of them which are saved)
Some cried out for mercy at the last possible time (like the thief on the cross)
...and YES: May 21, 2011 was the day the Lord SHUT the door to heaven; there are many more time-paths Harold knew nothing about which have been found since.
Some ppl think some magical outside force is coming to save us from ourselves. The older I get the more I've moved from thinking this is a harmless preoccupation, to believing that it is quite harmful.
I also used to think religion was harmless. If it makes their lives better, who am I to judge? But now that I’m older I’ve realized that beliefs inform our actions or lack thereof.
If a person believes someone is watching out for us and would never let anything bad happen to his creations, then they may not take climate change seriously, for example. They think god wouldn’t let that happen to us.
Another perfect example is the Catholic Church moving around “troublesome” priests. They felt a “higher authority” would punish those men, and so they shielded and protected child molesters for their faith.
@@Emiliapocalypse The central belief of the communist party in Russia was the same thing that you have stated. They thought a rejection of faith and religion would bring good outcome, in the process thousands of religious people were killed. If all religion ended tomorrow, we would find other reasons to oppress, control, kill, etc. Whether your cause is following God or atheism, if you think you are right and the other is wrong, and that you must 'fix' the other, you will quickly go from being a protector to being a persecutor.
@@Emiliapocalypse Everything in high dose always bad. That includes drugs, food, water, idea, dreams, illusion, etc
There are a lot of Christians who believe in "the rapture." It's an invention of recent years. The word rapture isn't even in the Bible. The Bible tells us that in the last days, we will be tortured and killed...like Christ was. Some people can't accept that, they took one scripture and made up that, instead of suffering, we'll be caught up in the clouds...
It ain't happening. There is no "out" from the persecution to come. The stage is being set. No one will rescue us. I believe what the Bible says is true. And it looks like the extremists, the evangelicals, will do the persecuting. They feel they have the right to hate and kill people who don't think like they do. They have perverted the word of God to fit their agenda. They scare me more than all the unbelievers. They have that cult mentality. Cults never end well...
@@miapdx503 it's a self-fulfilling prophesy. They can't wait for God to do it in their time, so they've decided to dictate to God when and how it will happen... in their time, not in God's. Not only that, the whole suffering thing is misrepresented. We are to be comforted by the resurrection when suffering comes our way, we're not suppose to be going out to find or cause suffering. When someone we love dies, we are meant to be comforted during our suffering that there will be a resurrection, we're not meant to kill them so we can suffer.
I have held to the idea that ‘Christian’s’ are so easily led off into foolishness because they don’t know what they read. They believe in a person who has taught the same rhetoric and error because they were taught error, but I always ask the same question, ‘ If Jesus the Son of God said ONLY the Father knew the day and time of the end, how is it you think you have more insight than the Son of God?’ I’m repeatedly told in a condescending tone I don’t understand the mathematics of the Bible. Mathematics is not the problem.
40:00 - where can I get a "Richter scale"? I'd like to buy one
I truly think that if any of the people whom had their hopes up for the end of the world that day and the disappointment of the mis-judgement wouldn't have had to go through those emotions if they had read the Bible for themselves. It clearly states "no one will know the time nor the day"
It's near now than ever. 😮
I was just going to write the exact same thing. Those that think they are so smart and only they know will be sadly disappointed in the end.
@@barbarascott9174 Most of Europe thought Armageddon was going to happen, and Jesus would return, in the year 1000 A.D. Much more spectacular signs than now. Volcanic eruption,plagues of locusts and other insects, earthquakes, floods, along with all the other endemics and pandemics of malaria, TB, syphilis, etc. etc., they also had The Black Death (plague) sweeping across Europe wiping out a large percentage of the population. They had no understanding of what was happening, and no vaccinations. They couldn't communicate with each other, except by messenger. That really was like hell on Earth.
Now here we are, in 2023, on the other side of a global pandemic, with understanding and vaccinations. Also, with fear-mongering being profitable. Global poverty is much lower than 50 years ago, life expectancy is higher than 50 years ago, globally, more people have access to medical care, clean water, and education, the holes in the ozone layer have repaired, people are re-wilding forrests, restoring ecosystems, re-introducing native animals that became extinct in those regions/ countries due to World War 2, etc, saving coral reefs, etc. Sure, there are many things that aren't ideal. But there is no time in history without the Biblical signs of Armageddon. And 2023 is pretty minimal compared to 999 A.D.! 😅 I mean, Jesus could have at least shown up during the height of the recent Global Pandemic ! But....he didn't.
It's been approx. 2000 years. I don't think that dude is going to show up. Maybe it's time to move on, and make the most of this extraordinary and wondrous life! 😊✨️
Exactly 💕
Hello, my name is Casey Allen and I grew up in a religious cult in southeastern Ohio that began in 1998 and ended in 2015 when the church elder and one of the main pastors took a ride for 7 miles on a child’s bicycle to commit a murder and attempted kidnapping. During the reign of our Elders a lot of Abuse , physical and sexual occurred , financial fraud , tax fraud and rituals that were never uncovered or investigated . We never used medication and we never said we were ill , we were always “resisting” . We are not Mormons , We are “We The Church”
That’s awful. I hope you’re doing okay these days. These insane cults and religious beliefs really harm the child and other family.
You had the experience and you can handle better than us.
Mormons didn’t need to be included in this post. They have nothing to do with this.
I would caution you about posting your name on youtube.
People were mad as hell the next day. We're all still here. Can you believe how much people were driven to give away or abandon what and whom means the world to them?
It's up to each individual to understand the Bible, according to the Bible. These people have no one to blame but themselves. The Bible literally says "NO MAN SHALL KNOW THE END OF DAYS." Hard to misinterpret that.
Also, he has a clear narcissistic personality. Claiming he has everything correct, even after not getting it correct, makes it blatantly clear.
@@croaton07 Exactly. Many cultures have very similar prophesies about the end times. Most are for faith and hope for a wonderful future. 🫠 Jesus, told us what signs to watch for, and Bible chronology gives us an approximate period of time, but Jesus also said the final hour would “suddenly be upon us” and come as a “thief in the night” with only His Father knowing the exact day and hour. He only wanted us to have our lives in order when that time came. If we are right with God, we should not fear that day, but rather look forward to it. Better times are ahead.👍🏽🥰💞✌🏽🫠
The end of days comes when a person passes away. Jesus and God will be with you then. Anything else is not worth worrying too much about that you lose any sleep over
@@andyprompt True. 🙂 The world won’t end, because God’s original purpose for it and for us was to live forever. When humans decided they could function without God, He allowed us to use our freewill. That has been a disaster for us because we took the wrong path. We need our Creator. He sent Jesus to bail us out, but we can still screw things up as we have amply demonstrated. We have never been able to successfully govern ourselves. Evidence-based historical events have shown that when we’ve put our faith and trust in God and His Son, they’ve rescued us. It’s only a matter of time when Jesus will be the only ruler governing the earth, so we have a lot to look forward to. Only those who are blinded or have been led astray have reason to fear the future. For those who have accurate knowledge through prayer and evidence-based faith (as those mentioned in Hebrews 11), that paradise on Earth is a promise we can count on❣️👍🏽🙏🏼✌🏽🥰 We don’t have all the answers or full understanding because we are mere humans, but God provides the answers that we need. We just need to put arrogance aside and trust our Creator instead of putting our faith in imperfect humans. 🫶🏽💞😊
This is where you know people are not in the right mindset psychologically when you’re quitting your job, because at the end of the world. If the actual end of the world was going to happen, you wouldn’t have to quit your job trying to survive because your job would be there.
Religion seeks reward spirituality seeks understanding organized religion is a dangerous thing
Secular humanism is FAR more dangerous and has historically caused FAR more death
So now that Mai 2011 has past as well as July 2021. Where are those people? Can someone interview them again?
Many people have committed suicide over this coz their life was ruined by this conman
I wonder how many became atheists.
@@issamharrabi7514
Ive been trying to find online stories about what happened to his followers but there is almost nothing about them. I imagine ol Camping was in for a surprise when he died. Can't imagine his God would be happy over the harm he caused
This happens with cultists all the time, and they just double down on a different date. Their followers usually swallow it willingly. They would rather believe that it was just a simple misunderstanding, over believing that they’re complete fools.
Just give it every day from now until the end of time and they'll be correct eventually! Lol
There has been many predictions done by cult leaders that proved to be wrong. I wonder how they can still maintain their credibility as a leader after people found out that nothing happen on that day...
@@fritzsmith3296 Because English is not my mother tongue, I guess I used the word "wonder" in a wrong way. I am not concerned whether these cult leaders can maintain their "credibility as a leader" after the flop (the missed prediction). What I meant was, it baffles me that the followers can be so blind to what is so obvious to a non-follower (that the leader isn't a true leader but just a delusional person).
Yes, we do learn from mistakes. I hope these mistakes are small ones, if they want to call themselves a "leader".
By the way, this point has nothing to do with Buddhism.
I am from a country where Buddhism is widely practiced. So no need to give me a lecture on this.
They've ALL been wrong. Last time I checked the earth is still spinning and nothing has changed.
the same way that millions follow any religion.. they're ALL cults.. ALL of them..
how can they "believe" in talking donkeys and talking snakes and burning bushes that communicate??
how can they say their god is LOVE yet believe that he destroyed the earth and allllllllllllllllll his creations in a mass flood that killed animals and humans and innocent children AND infants??
how can they BELIEVE in a diety who they claim is omniscient.. omnipotent.. and omnipresent YET have no answer as to why or how this omni "god" couldn't see or know how badly he would disappoint himself with his own creation..
to them.. they believe that a GOD who COMMANDS that "thou shalt NOT kill" yet orders the destruction and genocide of the Amalekites isn't contradicting himself..
believers suspend logic and reason to BELIEVE in a "god" that would murder all first born male babies and thrash babies against ROCKS *yet* believe this same diety believes abortion is murder..
none of it makes any sense to anyone using their brains.. but.. to them?? it's allllllllllllllllll "good" and loving..
xtians are koo koo.. PERIOD
The togetherness was real!
Like trumps false prophets. Yet naive christians still give them their money.
Live your life, treat others well, have compassion and empathy. Walk away from what is out of your hands.
Dude was 89, he just couldn't come to terms with the fact he was nearing the end of his. So he decided to drag the rest of the world with him🤣🤣
Bingo
I remember this, when I was 14. The worst thing that happened that year for me was my Grandpas death. I hate these things though. The amount of panic I felt as a child. These were some of the reasons.
A similar religious cult happened in Uganda, East Africa back in 1999 when one, Kibwetere told his congregation that the world was to end come the year 2000.
He told his followers to sell all their belongings and bring the money to his church with all their family members that God was coming to take them to heaven in an airplane.
Poor believers brought and gave all their money to their leader (Kibwetere) as they entered the church.
Fast forward; they all entered the church which was then tightly closed from windows to the main door with nails with Jerrycans of fuel for which they were asked to pour the fuel onto themselves. After that, they were asked to light up the candles which were in the church at that time. That was the end of their lives.
Meanwhile, Kibwetere, their leader was not in the church. He gathered what he could and eyewitnesses sighted him vanishing in a government vehicle towards DRC. To date, Kibwetere has never been convicted or even hunted down. Rumors are, he and his wife are in the USA.
That's really horrific. And, yes, he should be hunted down & brought to justice.
The mass murder/ suic*de was greater than that of Jonestown.
The cult was called "Movement for the Restauration of the Ten Commandments". Yet I heard that a woman as the prophetess was the leading figure. She and her family.
This wasn't because they believed it, it was a scam. I remember at the time this happened I was quite young(middle schooler), I started to believe it in the back of my mind and felt scared. Decided to do little google search on the topic and ended up on their website. Books selling for 30 dollars! While their followers were giving up all of their possessions. I felt immediate relieved to know that this pastor didn't have any special revelations to continue to sell 30 dollar books a week before apocalypse!
Yeah the paranoia about Y2K freaked the crap out of me too growing up. It was the last time I gave any credence to paranoid doomsayers. People were jumping up and down in the Christian church. Hoping for the world's nuclear arsenal to deploy as a result of only have two digits in the year place of computer systems.
yes exactly, there's always a collection of massive amounts of money around these world ending panics
Think about how much money they've stolen due to the climate change scam. "The world will end in 2007 oh wait I mean 2016, wait actually 2050"
30 years of predicting the end of the world due to climate change and NOTHING has happened except certain people getting rich🤣🤣
No one knows the future
Um I hate to break it to you but you just described all religions. They’re all scams.
@@rationallyruby oh you're one of those people
“Religion began when the first scoundrel met the first fool.”
-Voltaire
So nicely done. Thank you for not mocking these people. When i was in school, it was Hal Lindsay's Late Great Planet Earth. I ended up in a church that didn't believe in the second coming. We ended up turning into a cult eventually anyway 😮
Great documentary, thank you for sharing!
First class documentary. Well produced. The conflation of mystical truth and material time lines is as old as the hills.
Anytime I hear of those professing the end I always return to my trusty bible. "No one shall know the day nor the hour of my return"-JC
😂 "Trusty Bible?!" 🤣
@@wryckingbaul8612 hahaha!!
Cause he ain't coming he's in rehab for the last 5,000 years .....too much weed man
@@SurajGupta_3D 🤣
@@wryckingbaul8612 I have read every religious text from the three main faiths to all the others I could get my hands on. There are some truths in those books.
“One of the saddest lessons of history is this: If we’ve been bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle. We’re no longer interested in finding out the truth. The bamboozle has captured us. It’s simply too painful to acknowledge, even to ourselves, that we’ve been taken. Once you give a charlatan power over you, you almost never get it back.”
-Carl Sagan, astronomer and writer (1934-1996)
"But concerning that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son,but the Father only." - Matthew 24:36.
"How could somebody believe this?! On the outside they look crazy. On the inside everything makes... No, they still look crazy."
I wonder how they feel a decade later.........
No worries, they just joined QAnon
@@Grimm299 you win 😂😂😂
@@Grimm299 lmaooo
If you just read the Bible, it tells you plainly that NO MAN knows the date or hour. As someone who lived through both of these 'end days', I took comfort in knowing that camping didn't know but only The Father. Even Christ doesn't know the date but he knows us as believers. THAT is the comfort.
AMEN to that! This the reason that only the Holy Scriptures, from the mouth of God Himself can we, as believers, put our complete trust in Him through Jesus Christ.
@@vll9915 None of them read Matthew 24v36.
I agree
@@vll9915 These ones?
Leviticus 25:44-46
As for your male and female slaves whom you may have: you may buy male
and female slaves from among the nations that are around you. You may
also buy from among the strangers who sojourn with you and their clans
that are with you, who have been born in your land, and they may be
your property. You may bequeath them to your sons after you to inherit
as a possession forever. You may make slaves of them, but over your
brothers the people of Israel you shall not rule, one over another
ruthlessly.
Exodus 21:1-36
“Now these are the rules that you shall set before them. When you buy
a Hebrew slave, he shall serve six years, and in the seventh he shall
go out free, for nothing. If he comes in single, he shall go out
single; if he comes in married, then his wife shall go out with him.
If his master gives him a wife and she bears him sons or daughters,
the wife and her children shall be her master's, and he shall go out
alone. But if the slave plainly says, ‘I love my master, my wife, and
my children; I will not go out free,
1Peter 2:18
Servants, be subject to your masters with all respect, not only to the
good and gentle but also to the unjust.
Titus 2:9-10
Slaves are to be submissive to their own masters in everything; they are
to be well-pleasing, not argumentative, not pilfering, but showing all
good faith, so that in everything they may adorn the doctrine of God our
Savior.
Ephesians 6:5
Slaves, obey your earthly masters with fear and trembling, with a sincere
heart, as you would Christ
Exodus 21:20-21
“When a man strikes his slave, male or female, with a rod and the slave
dies under his hand, he shall be avenged. But if the slave survives a day
or two, he is not to be avenged, for the slave is his money.
Exodus 21:26-27
“When a man strikes the eye of his slave, male or female, and destroys it
he shall let the slave go free because of his eye. If he knocks out the
tooth of his slave, male or female, he shall let the slave go free
because of his tooth.
Exodus 21:32
If the ox gores a slave, male or female, the owner shall give to their
master thirty shekels of silver, and the ox shall be stoned.
@@vll9915 What about these ones?
Genesis 38:24
About three months later Judah was told, “Tamar your daughter-in-law
has been immoral. Moreover, she is pregnant by immorality.” And Judah said,
“Bring her out, and let her be burned.”
Hosea 13:16
Samaria shall bear her guilt, because she has rebelled against her God;
they shall fall by the sword; their little ones shall be dashed in pieces,
and their pregnant women ripped open
Samuel 12:14
Nevertheless, because by this deed you have utterly scorned the Lord,
the child who is born to you shall die.”
Also, the Gospel has to be preached to EVERY tribe, nation, and tongue, before the end comes! Y'all, its 2024 and there are still unevangelized people in the world! That should have been their first clue because back then, we weren't even allowed to proselytize in every country! People don't use their brains sometimes!
"No interviews today, gimme a day"
😂😂😂😂
"No man knows the day nor the hour. " Why didn't they believe the Bible? They weren't born again, that's why. So sad.
It's easy people, we don't remember life before we were born and we aren't going to remember when we die the only people that suffer and the ones left behind. Live your life and be kind and help others where you can and enjoy the ride called life. And be kind to the planet for future generations.
There are some people I tell this to and they act like I’m crazy.
100 percent Michelle Davies!! this is the most sane comment in the comment section so far
I absolutely agree with every word in your statement!! A great philosophy for living!! Well done!
Asking seriously, does anyone REALLY care about future generations? There's nothing we could do, other than not make it worse, that guarantees any future for anyone. The damage that has been done thus far has largely been in only the last 100 years. See how the work of generations before us didn't matter?
And you are confident about what happens after death because..... any different reasoning than Camping followers?
It is constantly amazing to me how many brains want to be/are willing to be washed so thoroughly and completely.
Safe and effective
It's a process. Do some study on the B.I.T.E. model.
@@nataliehilton1537And leaves no bathtub ring!
Yeah, I quit listening at that time. Do they not know their own book?
"However, no one knows the day or hour when these things will happen, not even the angels in heaven or the Son himself. Only the Father knows." Matt 24 36
I the early 00s I lived in Pennsylvania and could not escape Camping's voice. He was all over the radio and it drove me nuts to hear that droning pavement voice. Ten years later I'm living in Los Angeles and imagine my dismay when every billboard near the 101 Freeway seemed to have these wretched end-of-the-world Family Radio doomsday adverts. I felt like he'd chased me across a continent. This is a great documentary, but I think it comes up a little short in demonstrating the sheer ferocity of the ridicule Camping and his followers had to deal with the day after the apocalypse that wasn't: also just how many people quit their jobs, sold everything they had, and spent months preaching about this event only to find themselves ruined and living out of their campers -- if they were lucky enough to own one. One family racked up six-figure debts running up dozens of credit cards so they could have a good time, "knowing" they'd never have to pay it off. How'd that feel, the day after? Camping and his inner circle ruined a lot of lives and then told their victims, quite literally, to "cope."
It's happened before.
I really don't know exactly how I feel sad or angry that people can be influenced like this
It's absolutely horrible when people are led to believe these fantasies that they change their lives over & they willingly go into it ignoring the logic that stares them in the face. Logic that they probably used throughout their lives to cope with life's difficulties.
Suddenly it all goes out the window for a god. The zaniest ideas seem believable, so they go with it, & keep going & going. Making up excuses along the way.
I would say both feelings are appropriate
It strikes me that most if not all of these cultists are/were caring, intelligent, articulate, educated people. And yet they believed such an extreme hypothesis with no physical evidence to support it, such as major seismic anomalies or an asteroid bearing down on the Earth. It makes me wonder how many of my own beliefs are irrational.
Yeah, that’s the eternal question for everyone.
if your belief ends with the eternal torment of beings that are not exactly like you, then yes.
@tandme2342I suppose but some people define evidence differently. I personally never really bought into any kind of spiritual higher power growing up.
Until I witnessed and felt various things that made me consider maybe something is out there that’s supernatural. I have no way to show that to you personally though.
I would have asked him to give me all his money a day before his socalled "judgementday". I bet he would not have done that. 😂
I worked with 5 people who swore that our global civilization was going to collapse in 2006. Their whacky rhetoric created such a disturbance in our workplace, that all of them were fired. They were such an odd group of people. 😆
My first question would be for Louie who’s unemployed. If the world is coming to an end in a month or so, why continue looking for another job?
When you are crazy , you say crazy things
I had a party May 21, 2011 just for fun. "Party like it's the end of the world" was the theme. We had fun w it.
I hope someone showed up dressed like Prince and partied like it was 1999 🎉
I had my Birthday dinner every year I celebrate the end of the world on May 21st.
For the life of me I will never understand why anyone with a measurable form of intelligence fall for religious scammers. The single moment money becomes an item in any discussion with any religious person, run like there is no tomorrow. Nobody can predict the future!
I grew up in a religious household and my dad always said the passage of the Bible of “nobody knows the day or hour”
The power of the cult depends upon the vulnerability of people. There is something desperately missing in peoples lives that they hang onto such irrational rhetoric. As said in the film by Dr Tavris, the more someone proclaims their belief in this organisation publicly, the more they’re invested in upholding this view. That’s when you see people rationalising the irrational. Now that really is the dangerous bit. People will say or do things not to look foolish, or ‘batting for the wrong team’.
So do we see this happening now? If so Where? Well, It’s happening right now, right under our noses, in the most dangerous of ways.
We only need to look at the political activity in the USA over recent years, more specifically in relation to Donald Trump. His language, his actions, his target group, his ability to say such utterly inaccurate things that are believed by so many without question. These for me, are undoubtedly the components of a cult which has no regard for the individual follower, only their leader and his ‘fixers’.
There are many other examples across the planet. But for me this is the one that presents the greatest danger for so many today.
I support Trump. 😊
@@JohnGalt1960then you really are a meat puppet! LMAO
Bless ur❤…must be a wild ride walking through life with eyes wide shut
I was a part of his first false prophecy in 1994, and I thank God for taking me out of that cult. Did false prophet Harold Camping wreck my faith? Not at all! My faith is in JESUS CHRIST, not in any man. Today, I am blessed to be in full-time Christian ministry, teaching and preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God from a King James Bible. Amen! This documentary was very well done and totally fair.
I'm not a KJV only person but had a similar experience. It's good indeed to be still standing.
Was reprogramming done after getting out of this cult like atmosphere? Pardon my questions.
nice, good work
I remember the Priest in my parish making fun about this type of nonsense. He had a special day every year dedicated to the end of the world. He had a ferocious sense of humour.
humor is a sign of intelligence 😂
I bet he never talked about child abuse in the Catholic Church.
@@johnbrowne2170 Yeah, as a matter of fact he did. It is a difficult topic. This is a problem in all organisations. Sometimes you get the wrong kind of people in and power and prestige get the better of the institution.
@@laurentdrozin812 Did he talk about the Roman Catholic Church's practice of sending abusive priests to other parishes were they continued to abuse children? Did he talk about how the church covered up the abuse or denied it? There have been cases of abuse in other churches but the Catholic church wallows in it. I know I'm a former Catholic. Isn't that far worse than making fun of pastors who believe in the Rapture (which isn't the end of the world)?
The stupidity of such people should always be pointed out rigorously. They exploit gullible naiv people.
When my kids were small, probably 2002, i used to listen to this guy on repeat. By the time 2011 came around i had moved on but i still remember the sense of urgency in the prophetic world in general. The tsunami was supposed to strike NYC, everyone was having visions.
Not visions...delusions.
Wow! I was living in NYC at that time. Why wasn’t I notified?
So let me get this straight....this guy decided the world would end because the square root of 722500 is 850?
He erred.
It's actually ±850.
😝
They should have arrest him for scamming the people.
That would involve eliminating every religious protection in the United States, a pretty silly ask, even under the best intentions.
@@kbbrown8154 no
I guess they knew nothing about every other Doomsday cult, the Great Disappointment and the "corrected" date shortly after that when absolutely nothing happened.
That's why they don't teach critical thinking in the school.
Yeah we learned nothing about any of that growing up. Probably because the school board didnt want to piss off the Christian parents
It's so arrogant to believe that everyone has has it wrong but among the billions of people, they have the truth. They can see the foolishness and wishful thinking in others but are not humble enough to question their own beliefs
Its scary that so many people still believe in the supernatural and magic and there are millions from the U.S.
This has been happening for 2000 years, and nothing, and they are doing it again.give it up
Crazy how people are sucked in by this BS.
His followers may not realize this but he OWNS THE $70 MIILION DOLLAR RADIO STATION!! Of course he takes no salary!
These people really listened to a stuttering geriatric and threw their lives away
I absolutely love this kind of stuff. These moron cult leaders and religious leaders that preach these end times dates are so damn entertaining. The people that eat this stuff up are so very sad. It's crazy how susceptible some people are to just accepting this utter nonsense.
I would have asked Camping for all his money and cars and property since he was being "Raptured" 😂
Surprisingly I never heard of this prediction until now.
It's weird I remember I was a teenager in 2011. I'd heard the end of the world stuff, but never took it seriously. Crazy how there were adults getting ready for The End.
Wow. Totally missed this piece of 2011 craziness. 😲