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- Nick Wright, Chris Broussard and Kevin Wildes react to Team USA loss vs. Lithuania in the 2023 FIBA World Cup.
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Lol, the NBA champs can't be world championship because they don't represent their country.
Wildes saying Denver would win but their best player is nit American 😂😂😂😂
If all our NBA stars actually cared about the World FIBA Championship, we would destroy this tournament. Stop it Broussard. It's better they don't. Individual countries haven't caught up yet, this way is more fair and will grow the game more worldwide.
@@Nexta12321 you meant best 2 players. Murray is from Canada.
@@FEARNoMore our players are getting soft and have no post presence.
Denver Nuggets would win this tournament? REALLY? HOW?
Their two best players are canadian and serbian.
There is no way Nuggets could win without Murray and Jokič, because those two would have played for their own countries.
I love Brou's fire and passion for team USA basketball. It's entertaining but also true. Hit the paint kids. You get a lot of easy buckets down there and it makes those 3s a whole lot easier.
brou has a point about team usa. your best ability is availability and the "top" american nba stars aren't available, it's as simple as that. nobody gets crowned champion because they had the "potential" to be the best.
But we sent the C team not the Ateam not even the B team.
@@jobunaga4178it's not that they aren't available it's that they don't want to play the Fiba and team USA tend to go younger on Fiba in order to give them experience. Team USA next year is gonna go through the Olympics without a sweat
💯% Brou is becoming one of my best Basketball analysts.
Brou was preaching! He is 1000% right.
Thank you Chris Broussard for saying that loud and clear. We need the post game back in the NBA. We need dominant big men in the post. Like a Shaq, Demarcus Cousins, Dwight Howard, etc. Having big men in the game helps the game it doesn't hurt it.
"we need dominate big men in the post" then you throw out demarcus cousins, and dwight howard.... You might as well throw in draymond green.
Thats the nba rules causing that
@@limitedbom2206 Dwight is a first ballot hof. Boogie was the best center in the league before his injuries. You dont know ball.
The game got too S.O.F CAPITAL T.
@@Howdidhenotseeme I know when I think of Dwight and Boogie, I don't think of post play. I think of high pick and and roll with dwight or pick and pop with boogie. They were not a sit on the block and back the defender down. YOU don't know ball.
This take from Nick shows exactly what Noah was saying. Man City can beat any nation in the world. But unfortunately, Man City is a domestic club not a national team. To compare Denver Nuggets with countries shows how shallow Nick's opinions can be at times.
To add to your point also , how does Denver best any international team when their best player is Serbian and second best player is Canadian?
@@Abadhalhawell said!!! 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽
Agreed, Nick lost a lot of my respect on this one
Why are you idiots still bringing up Noah lol
Not the same . Man City doesn’t win 90% of champions league’s dominantly . Other clubs in other countries like Bayern , Real Madrid , juventus, ac Milan , Barcelona , pay have big names and attract the best talent just like the premier league at bear equal skill lvl if a bit less popular. However in basketball all the best global players go to nba not anywhere else . Different countries players skk have end goal of nba
I don't get what's hard to understand about the NBA not being the world championship. Europe has BY FAR the best soccer teams. And yet, when you win the Champion's league you're not declared world champ. And then the winning club goes to play the world championship, they usually play the substitutes, and they usually still win. It doesn't matter that you're better, you still have to win the games.
Excellent point. And this is exactly the point that Chris was trying to make. Sure the NBA will still win 80-90% of the time but every now and then they will lose one to Real Madrid or someone from Turkey, just like when Chelsea lost the CWC.
yes they need a club world cup for basketball for the teams. as the rest of the world never took basketball that serious the olympics was always America's to lose, more countries play basketball now
🔖This is just American arrogance. The champion of the Premier League doesn't call themselves the World Champions, they call themselves the English Champions. The winner of the European Champions League doesn't call themselves World Champions, they call themselves European Champions.
Love Nick but Brou is 100% right on this. It’s not to say the U.S. wouldn’t win. The point is, we can’t just say we did win a world championship when we didn’t 😂 how is this even an argument?
NBA champion would destroy the other champions not even a conversation
Right. Making assumptions are for statisticians. The NBA is an American League
*The NBA is the Shine Box of professional sports.*
The denver nuggets would violate any 3rd world country teams you can find
The NBA is the #1 basketball league in the world. Hence, it’s NBA champion would defeat any other champion in any other league in the world. For goodness sakes, we have our JV squad playing in this FIBA tournament 🤦🏻♂️
As an American with family in Europe who consistently watches the Euroleague I can tell you Brou does have a point. Obviously the NBA champs would still beat the best teams there, but if you play under FIBA rules on neutral grounds with their fans in attendance, they wouldn't get steamrolled.
curry booker bron kd ad
ky dmitch ant tatum embiid would def steamroll😂😂
@@Mariii2xx Firstly, those guys don't play on the same team. It would have to be an actual NBA team, the NBA champs, for example the Nuggets.
Secondly, even if we use your example, the US sent most of its very best players to the Olympics 2 years ago, and they didn't steamroll any of the good teams.
@@Mariii2xx And also, Embiid ain't even American😂
You’re missing the point… every countries best players all play in the NBA, the nba is a global brand. If you aren’t good enough to play in the nba, you play professionally elsewhere. The MAIN reason for this, is the nba pays more than any other professional basketball team. Zero reason from the top global players to not play for the NBA.
@@ryedye335 I didn't even argue that point, I was just arguing the point Brou made about the best team in the NBA competing with the best team in Europe in neutral circumstances under FIBA rules wouldn't end in a whitewash like most think.
I agree with everything you say.
“What American posts up?!” That’s gotta be one of the funniest things Brou’s ever said 😂
And its true. Even Nicks starting center doesn't want to play center 😂
@MG-yj6lo and the backup, Bam, doesn't post up much either
Bam I'd undersized
Nick doesn't realise that putting the best 5 number one options on NBA teams in the same team doesn't automatically work. Guys roles will have to change and not many will easily adjust to having fewer touches or minutes. Ingram is struggling currently while role players like Josh Hart are thriving.
That's what I tell people if u send just stars who the bleep is taking a back seat I know curry can do it but who els will probably nobody and I don't think Bron wants to do the Olympics anymore
Tatum+ Booker+ Ja Morant@@dillonsparks115
Finally some basketball 😭 haven’t checked this for months
It’s football time now. The basketball talk is just bron Celtics with a hint of warriors.
@@exclusiveman5 Basketball is a far superior sport over American football (notice how I said AMERICAN football, because the REAL football ⚽️ is far better, but that’s another story for another day)
Facts😭 idk what it is but the football is kinda boring
@@Grievous_ hope you don’t expect us to care
@@Grievous_Stop stating your opinion as fact. You're making the conversation around your point actively more toxic
That’s a lot of American passion from bru’s rant. Great show.
When the San Antonio Spurs went to the finals back to back in 13 and 14, they had 10 players born outside of the United States, including its big Three Tim Duncan (St. Thomas), Manu Ginobili (Argentina) and Tony Parker (France)
The Foreign Legion :)
Duncan played for the US.
Y’all don’t realize that y’all’s argument that NBA teams that have players outside the US literally proves the point that the best of the best are playing in the NBA, can you get 15 nonNBA players to beat the champions each year??? I mean think about it lol
@@Jtyonbronrussthat’s a dumb argument lol
And Denver's two best players were not born in the U.S.
The thing I've noticed about this Fiba cup, is that it is way more physical than the NBA, they call travel, and the phasing of these games are just way faster. Ball movement is also excellent. But with their style of play, they don't really feauture just one player alone so the marketing of stars is not going to be what we are used to with the NBA.
Tup, even Luka and Jokic have said this.
NBA basketball is low iq and really bad, it’s just monkey put ball in hoop with travelling, carrying, diving and no defence
That's why the NBA would never adopt FIBA rules. It doesn't favour superstardom, but does favour team play. Which is horrible for business if you're living off sponsors and investors.
Nick and wildes being in sync on that ROLL was hilarious 😂
As a Canadian, I love that it was quietly said that Canada was one of the favourites 😍.
Before saying that Nuggets could win this tournament, remember that Jokic and Murray probably would play for their own countries.
^This part.
they literally arent playing for their own countries right now tho and denver isnt in the tournament
He said put the Champs in every league against one another. If jokic is playing for the nuggets how can he also play for the euro league Champs as well if he's not in that league.
The point is that their two best players are NOT Americans. They have a Slovenian on the team as well in Vlatko Cancar but he didn't play much in the playoffs.
@@randygram9310 1 there's a reason that other countries best players come to the NBA to play. 2nd they're arguing that the NBA Champs isn't the world Champs so to test that theory you would need to put the NBA Champs against champions of other leagues not national teams. Which any time the US send the BEST players they ALWAYS win. This national team is like c level players they are NOT the best and they only lost by 6. What you think will happen if it was A level players playing for team USA.
Rebounds are like Offensive Linemen. They don't always get the glory but they're definitely needed!
Rebounds are literally one of the 3 big stats. Are you high?
@@Thegoldenchild415 Yes!!! But name the last Rebounder to get his praise. Probably Rodman!!! You might want to think about getting high. I gave praise for rebounds.
@@imyourhuckleberry1058thas true
@@imyourhuckleberry1058 if that's ALL you CAN do. Then you're a situational player.
@@Thegoldenchild415 All teams are built on situational players!
No one argues with NBA being the best league in the world. But Lithuanian coach is a 4 time gold medalist. He actually knows what he is doing.
Chris is spot on ! Can’t believe this is even an argument.
5:55... EXACTLY! Finally someone said it. You can post up AND shoot 3s, they literally go hand in hand. Imagine if a Shaq type player got the ball by the base line and when help defense comes, he kicks it out. Almost like what Jokic does except he starts from the elbow.
Chris is right, this is what happens in football. Its a ‘world’ competition, not a domestic one
Exactly. That’s what the FIFA Club World Cup is all about. We should have the same with FIBA.
@@kengy1991the European teams take thier c team to that useless competition lol, but go 100% in the champions league everytime
@@thialhoinj1971 the point is they show up. NBA players and some americans dont want to even do that and expect to be given the title. What happened to earning things?
@@riadramsaroop8248they earn it by winning the championship that is actually the most important in the world, the NBA title.
@@Rosecain27well the euroleague trophy is important to europeans
I actually love Brousard’s idea of a world championship tournament from the best team in all the top leagues around the world.
Make a basketball champions league
Thats a champions league
And it's 3 from each best leagues
There is a matchup between international club teams called *FIBA Intercontinental Cup* (look it up on wikipedia)
However I doubt NBA owners and the league would sign on to this.
Their players and their insurance money.................................................. I don't know, but definitely would be an idea, however both NBA & FIBA have slightly different courts and rules, would they be able to agree?
Also how to split the revenues?
Currently not even EuroLeague take part in this, only second best European teams and also *NBA G League teams* .
This is due to FIBA and EuroLeague and their unresolved dispute....
Recently they have started to include teams from Africa and Asia.
"The champions of the Basketball Africa League (since 2022) and the FIBA Asia Champions Cup (since 2023) also receive a place in the tournament. FIBA has in the past announced plans to expand the tournament to possibly include the champion teams from the Australian National Basketball League (NBL), and possibly the NBA, at some point in the future."
Brou is absolutely right! Thank God someone like him is talking about it! In addition, Lithuania did not have their best team either, it is JV + a few Euroleague players and the rest of the squad are playing in lower leagues. So it is wild to say that LTU beat 3rd US team. Come on :)
lol and you think the US had THEIR best team? 😂😂😂
Where did I say that? ;)
@@KoolKeithProductionsThat person you replied to may not even have English as their first language and they still know it better than you. They acknowledged the US didn’t have their “best team,” they were just saying LTU didn’t either.
Team US was playing with their 80 Overalls 😂
I mean, I know one thing. Lithuania shooting 52% from the field and 56% from three has nothing to do with modern NBA players not being able to play defense. Obviously, Lithuania was running some SUPER complex offensive schemes with SUPER skilled and elite shooters that the US's all-time great defense just didn't work.
And won by 6 points... Run it back
Super complex huh? FOH 😂
If you truly watched the game, then yes super complex, even after the second half, they only took OPEN 3's apart from a few exceptions. ALL COMPLEX STRATEGIES. @@mannyneva1760
Facts... and I love your sarcasm. Kids in the US have no understanding or appreciation for the actual game.
Bro it proves what most people already knew, teams over seas play a more fundamental form of basketball. Its not about being flashy or doing dunks. This is how the NBA should have been, coordinated like how fifa is.
I smell a new segment Wildes "Sober thought vs WILDE thought"
That would be great.
"Buddy why are you sad? You have 35 pts don't worry about it. " Maybe because winning is more important than stats.
What Brou is saying is if the NBA and it’s fans want to act like the best then our national team needs to continue to dominate to prove that regardless of the NBA having international players
brou was saying that decades ago, the third string players that played for team USA were able to outplay the rest of the world. he rightly points out that that's not the case today. wright's comment about the nuggets is stupid. the best USA players from around the nba could be playing right now but chose not to. they CHOSE to lose by default.
Why do you Americans have to cheat by bringing in NBA PLAYERS WHEREAS NO OTHER COUNTRY IS EVEN PLAYING WITH PED LACED PLAYERS LIKE LEBUM JAMES? Use ORDINARY American players and they'll get SPANKED BY OTHER COUNTRIES.
And I think he's missing the point. Saying that the NBA champions are world champions is not the same as saying that the US are world champions. It's just saying that the NBA is an international league featuring the best in the world, so winning team is the best team in the world.
@@samuelwallace2782 exactly well said
@@samuelwallace2782 and it's wrong. The NBA champs can't be best in the world until they beat the best team from Europe. GSW were by far the better team in the NBA, but they didn't become champs. Phoenix in 22, 23, Heat in 11 and 14, and so on. Having the best players doesn't automatically make your team better as a while. It's been said many times - basketball is a team sport, and you don't win rings by just having best 2-3 players. Teamwork, chemistry and strategy are just as, if not more l, important to the team success. Lithuania just showed you guys that a very limited roster can win with good strategy and use of their advantages. Yes, it got close and the US team will probably win next time, but if you asked before the game which squad will win 99% would probably choose the US. So until the NBA champs beat a European champ they can't be considered world champs. It would be great to have an intercontinental cup, like in soccer, where different approaches could clash and everyone could benefit from it.
Thank you Chris broussard ..... but it's no shocker he knows more about basketball than Nick wright 😂😂
It's so crazy how nyles called USA arrogant, and here we have Nick handing out medals before the game is played and acting like when USA sent their BEST (recently) they rolled everyone, which didnt happen. Send the best or shut up about It.
how is nylles arrogant when spitting facts? it's so funny how you guys can be arrogant about this
Team USA with an A team lineup would win by 40… the 3rd stringers lost by 6😂
@@nephhhhhh Team USA with an A team lineup lost to Greece in 2006 World Championship 😎✌
Absolutely loved this from Brou... straight facts ... while Americans argue that the NBA championship is the world championship, the rest of the world rolls their eyes in unison again
Dwight Howard is overseas looking like Wilt right now. Stephon marbury was in China for like 10 years after he could not make it in the NBA anymore looking like Michael Jordan lol. Our washed up players go overseas and dominate. It's not really hard to fathom
One thing is NBA and another thing is FIBA world cup. US will always be the favorite one but the other national teams are improving and investing in basketball too. The distance will be shorter in the future.
I just wish we actually tried in international competitions and the American players actually wanted to go and work together to create an all star team.
@@loganleroy8622problem is if u only send the elit players who will take back seat rolls I know curry can but who els will put they ego aside
If you think the NBA is not best in the world. Put the Champs of each league around the world into a tournament against one another and let's see which team from which league would win. Stop conflating league team with national team.
Brou is 100% Correct! Nick started screaming, & forced Brou to get louder... But Brou made better points. Numbers don't lie.
Brou is conflating being the best international team in the world with being the best club team in the world. Those are two different concepts and he’s mixing them together. The best club team in the world in Soccer is currently Real Madrid. The best international team is Argentina. It’s not the same.
@@loganleroy8622thank you!!! Idk how folks can't comprehend the difference between club team and national team
@@baller0724 Americans don't comprehend it because we don't have that system of team categorization and soccer isn't really that popular beyond high school. The whole club team/national team thing and all the many different "leagues" you have is basically like the metric system to Americans. We know what it's about, but not how it works. Lol!
I love when Brou gets going! This was the best segment of the day, all because of Chris' EFFORT and analysis. Also Nick and Wildes' reaction is GOLD.
As a viewer from Spain really the only thing I can say is that calling World Champion the winner of a competition that only 1 country on earth is elegible to send their teams is the most american thing ever. And you make whatever you want with that.
Travel more :)
100% Americans are self centered being fed the “greatest country in the world” propaganda all day..coming from an American btw
I’m not saying you’re wrong because it is weird to call it a world championship when only 2 countries can play in it. But quick question. Which team in Spain is beating the Denver Nuggets or the Milwaukee Bucks in a 7 game series? 😬
Find the greatest team Spain has ever seen and pls come lose to the Houston rockets🤣🤣🤣🫵🏾
Well, if you actually followed the NBA, you'd know that there two countries are officially represented in the NBA, not just one.
Yeah mb, including the Raptors changes everything sure@@atlien1988
Chris spoke facts from start to finish while the other two just tried to shake the bridge. Lyles is right too. If you want to be a world champion, you have to show up to a world title event and win it.
If they win the Olympics next year I wonder what yall will say,Nobody ever called the NBA finals champs'World champions",yall heard a B.S narrative n went with it.
Nick was far more spitting facts. Broussard is ignoring that our best players aren't even playing in the tournament.
Chris Broussard I missed you man!!! The best speaker in sports by my standards
Am I the only who noticed that it was Franz Wagner who was in Nicks Player pyramide not his brother Moe. Franz actually got hurt in game 1 of the tournament. And moe is the one playing well for germany right now.
You are kinda right. Nick for sure was talking about Franz. But to be fair he had both brothers in his pyramid but he had Franz ranked higher .
Brou was spitting hard in this video 👏
Spitting bs
Finally someone got it right.
Yes USA have better individual players, but more often than not they don't play a team sport and lack in strategy. They don't have their best players, but they also have a population of 300 mil, while countries like Lithuania, Latvia, Slovenia, Serbia have less than 10 mil. This isn't the first time USA lost an international game and it's happening a lot more often lately
Lol.. Brou having PTSD with his Rob Parker debates 😂😂
And im here for it
It's hilarious how little Americans seem to value international competition.
Because we don’t want to waste our time 🤣🤣
Because as an american, winning the nba championship is far more valued than winning for USA
We’ll see who wins the Olympics, and FIBA complained about US sending their best players to FIBA.
@@kdubs928 no because that’s not in your culture to compete against other countries.
Nothing to do with not caring.
Americans live in their own bubble.
speaking as an american, it's because we americans are fat and ignorant. our citizens travel internationally the least but have the loudest mouths when is comes to american excellence. americans don't want to travel to europe or asia because they would actually have to walk around there and they hate exercise and hate that they can't stuff their faces with double bacon cheeseburgers. it's a disgrace.
I'm 100% with Chris. If USA doesn't wake up to the reality that they can lose to a lot of other countries and don't work hard to play better they're up to big trouble.
Lithuania got 16 more rebounds, shot 18% better from 3, 0.6% worse from the field, yet they only won by 6???
See, this type of thing shows you why you have to look past stats...
It was 18 pts at one point. They cut the margine just to sugar defeat. That's why you must watch the game instead stats. They were demolished because they thought they already won the game, before it even started. And they didn't exist in first half.
@@MarioCindric I was going through the BoxScore during the game... I saw the same thing you watched. What I was saying about the stat line! It shocked me when I actually looked at the final stats. Garbage time stat padding that shocked me.
Brou is right. The NBA Championship is basically the Premier League Championship of basketball.
No the NBA is basically the UCL. Where everyone knows the UCL winner is the best team in the world. The Europeans don’t even try during the club World Cup and they have lost one time since 2007.
@@loganleroy8622 No, the NBA doesn't even play other teams outside their own league, so the NBA cannot be like the CL.
Just signing the best players in the world, doesn’t automatically make you world champion.
Of course the US would dominate if there was suddenly a world championship, but if there was a super popular world tournament with lots of money involved, other countries would inevitably get much better.
Exactly. You need the World buy into the sport and invest in it to even have the chance to compete for a world championship. Being the best when most nations doesn’t even bother doesn’t make you world champs.
Soo funny😂😂 Greetings from Lithuania 💛💚❤️
Preach Chris
"We can still win the tournament" . Surprise, finished with NO MEDAL !
In football (soccer only in America), they have a World Club Cup when the represantives of the continents play.
NBA top 10 is filled with international players, and somehow you still can't believe that each one of those guys has country mates who also hoop really well
Fr 😂 I am German and they probably think everybody besides Schröder or franz cant even hit a three here
3:45 and Lithuania is also a bit short handed, for example Sabonis isn't playing...
That was an all-timer from Brou lmao 🔥🔥
Brou is spot on!
Does the winner of the English Premier League (the biggest competition of the biggest sport in the world) call themselves “World Champions”? No, the winner of the World Cup does.
Does the winner of the Indian Premier League (arguably the biggest team-based competition for Cricket, the second largest sport in the world) call themselves “World Champions”? No, the winner of the World Cup does.
Only in the U.S.A is the World Champion decided by which team won their league that year.
This year’s Nuggets team probably would roll through the World Cup tournament, but their best player is currently playing for Serbia, so they probably wouldn’t even get out of the group stage.
It is a world sport now, so to say that the U.S.A is automatically the best team because the NBA is American, is just ignorant and naive
You are mixing two different things. The Nuggets are the best CLUB team in the world. That’s not the same as the best international team in the world. There is a Club World Cup in Soccer. The current winners are Real Madrid, they are the club world champions. That’s why Man City can’t call themselves world champions, yet. FIBA doesn’t have a club World Cup for basketball yet. Until they do, the world champions of basketball will be the NBA winners.
If there is no club World Cup yet, then there is no club World Champion
@@samcross6576 Sure there is. It’s the NBA champions until proven otherwise since it’s far, far, far and away the best league.
@@loganleroy8622 I'm pretty sure "World" is a key part of World Champion. If ~96% of the competition is from one country, it can't be considered a world competition
@@samcross6576 The best players from around the world all compete in the NBA. This isn’t like Soccer where there are great players in the Spanish, French, English, German, Argentinian, Saudi, and Brazilian domestic leagues. The best 400 players in the world all play in the NBA.
Brou told no lies…..people’s arrogance will not allow rational thought🤦🏾♂️ I love the idea of whomever wins in the NBA faces other teams best team in a world championship, it would be fun to watch n see what other talent is out there compared to what we’ve seen so far. Regardless of us spanking em or not…the competition would be fun to watch, also nba rules is different from international rules which could be a difference🤷🏾
Preach Bru!!!!
Thank you Chris Broussard.
The international team also have the luxury of practicing for more than a month and a half but together before they go out there with expectations of domination.
Every team starts their preparations at around the same time. But other countries ACTUALLY practice and not just CHILL in their hotels thinking they already champions
And the international team plays years together.. team USA trots out a new 12 every da*n year!
Brou out here with he facts today!! You can post up and shoot threes this is what's wrong with the game today
Chris Broussard is correct here.
It's an interesting topic which deserves more time!
As a pelican fan this feels like a W😂.
For me, I predict that Team USA will win Silver at best! The competition overseas have grown exponentially since the 96 Dream Team days. Not to mention, post-2008 Redeem team have had rosters of iso players who are not fluent with team basketball
This is painful….
I already knew that our biggest weakness was gonna be rebound just watching games before they gave up a ton of second chance points I was thinking if Kessler could just get more mins whenever we getting bullied
Brou said Mo Wagner instead of Franz again lmaooo 1:10
Caught that too
Pointing to the USA B team losing as a reason why the Serbian Lead Denver Nuggets isn’t the world champions has to be one of the worst takes Bru has ever had
Z team lmao
Facts
2008 Spain squad had Paul and Marc two Hofers and DPOY
A team full of NBA players lost to a team with zero in Lithuania and just now to a team with only 4.. the best players do not all reside in The NBA.
Let's go 🇱🇹
🇱🇹🇱🇹🇱🇹👍
The reasoning from Wright is like saying: 'Well Manchester City won the Champions League and that is the best league in the world so they are world champions. If you sent ManC to the World Cup they would destroy everybody.'
The thing is at a world cup you sent the best players from your country to play for their country. In the NBA you play the best players you can buy/pay just like Manchester City does.
In soccer there is actually a club World Cup though. Basketball doesn’t have a club World Cup yet.
Therefore Wright’s reasoning would be correct! The best European team is the best team in the world! No European team has lost the Club World Cup since 2012; and that was Chelsea because they lost some of their players cause it’s played in the next season.
@@vortexathletic No, because to decide if ManC is the best club in the world they have to play the club world cup against the champions of other continents to make that claim. The NBA is just American clubs with one exception against each other. It's more like the English Premier League or La Liga.
@@loganleroy8622 No, but those are two different things. Team USA and FIBA world championship is about countries competing against each other. In that regard NBA champions can't claim to be world champions. Neither can they claim it for clubs because, as you rightly point out, there isn't a Club world cap in basketball.
@@myselfandeye3884 that’s true; but basketball just in general doesn’t have a CWC unfortunately
World champion is the national team that wins the world cup, it's not that complicated
"If If If If If If If"
Nick Wright's argument for anything and everything
Best debate show! Their chemistry is second to none
LOL they are throwing all the names out here Lebron, KD etc. its literrally flexing look at us we are better than the team that is out here representing us. Lithuania that beat team USA had only 1 active NBA player, which is JV, only few play in euroleague and Karinauskas which trolled A. Reeves with his tongue out is actually playing in a local Lithuanian league earning a few thousand euros a month. (This was actually a good marketing trick for him tbh) And the whole debate mixing National teams to club basketball is just absurd. Talking about Denver Nugets in context of international basketball is just plain madness.... ok tell me which team is Jokic representing then... Serbia or Nuggets lol? Who gave these so called 'anlysts' a 'job'? 'Loud mouths empty brain...' That being said we all know that in order for Lithuania to win this game they had to play a perfect match and all the stars had to be aligned at the same time. To achieve this victory against such a talented USA team with 12 NBA players... It's unlikely Lithuania is gonna manage to repeat it again any time soon, but that is exactly the reason why everyone is hyped and celebrating at the moment in Lithuania after 7 years without wining any medals at internatiinal level. Even if Lithuania doesn't win medals this year it's still acceptable outcome for us since this date that we beat team USA is going to be remembered and marked as an achievemt in our basketballs history. Its hard to win at the highest level and yet the nation with less than 3 mil people beating the odds from time to time is remarkable if you ask me....
To be a WORLD CHAMPION you have to win FIBA World cup. It does not matter if NBA is the strongest league in the world. No club sport can claim they have champions of the world. You have to represent your country or yourself, and not a club, to be a World champion. That is a difference between a league and a championship.
So the joker isn’t the best player in the world ?
@@9doggie12is he playing for a country when the nuggets win or a club?
@@xcbaby123 is he the best Player in the world
Sure, if you want to play semantics, I’ll agree with you. I’ll also unequivocally state that the Nuggets would run all of these teams (including USA) off the floor.
@@mcmiscellaneous4706 the current team USA yes
Chris always 💯
Chris Broussard is absolutely right.
I am from Lithuania. I love Brou, but I feel he holds my national basketball team in higher regard than me, lol
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He wasn't lying, you guys do have a GREAT man tho lol
“Tikras“lietuvis.
They were good enough to beat team USA
Its hilarious they think Denver would win this tournament when the top two guys on that team are internationals.
You are conflating two different concepts.
@@loganleroy8622 They are. That is my point.
Exactly
You can do both.
I like how they mention the Denver nuggets would win but not that their 2 best players are international.
The USA sent literal Role Players to the FIBA World Cup and we only lost 1 game. Let’s be real here y’all 😭
So who does Lithuanian have?
Besides Austin Reaves, Josh Hart, and Bobby Portis, no one on that team is a role player. Young? Yes.
@@kb4231Kessler & Johnson too
Never agreed more with Brou and less with Nick... well done, Brou!!!
"You don't think the Denver Nuggets would win this tournament?"
They wouldn't have Jokic OR Murray.
Bravo, Broussard👏 You're spot on 👍
If we’re fielding our actual best players, yes I believe team USA would destroy the competition. However, I do think the NBA champions are just that, the nba champions. Can’t be called world champion if the competition only comes from 2 countries. And this goes for the other sports as well.
Name one player not in nba who can actually make a difference in the nba? You cannot…..the nba champs are the world champs until the euro league or somewhere else becomes the best league
This argument makes no sense all the best international players play in the nba??
@@bigboner23 stop it.
for starters you should learn what what world champion means. Afterwards learn that in 1 game eliminations you can lose to anybody, ball don't lie. Lituania has a population smaller than chicago and you are still making excuses, look at the team USA 2006 and see what kind of players they had before being humbled by grece. Btw, your 1st overal pick in the draft, wemby, is from the euroleague, i call that a differencemaker in the NBA...
@@richardthepastamancer6619 yea u just made my point lol. Best players from around the world are in the nba for a reason. All the other leagues are trash for a lack of better words
@@bigboner23
People like you are why we won bronze in '04 and needed a Redeem Team.
Noah Lyes is still wrong. The USA literally sent our C squad and people are losing their minds over one game…
Nyles is actually 100% correct. It doesn't matter if US players are the best. It's still not a world championship if you are limiting the competition to only 1 country. For it to be a true world championship, there would have to be a competition with every other country in the world.
But they are still 12 NBA players with solid roles on their teams, in LIthuania's team we have JV only this year, our best player by significant margin Domantas Sabonis is not playing on NT this year
"Asking the right questions takes as much skill as giving the right answers"
Preach Broussard 🎉
2008 Redeem Team beat Australia by 21, beat Argentina by 20, and beat Spain by 11.
They may not have toyed with opponents to the level DT 1&2 did, but a 17.3 ppg margin of victory is't terrible.
15 years ago, bro... that's hardly representative for today...
Spain was in the game till last 2 minutes, you obviously didn't watch that game. Wade and Kobe hit some clutch shots to secure that win. Also 2 years earlier, that same team (minus Kobe) lost to Greece in Semi Final of World Cup. So no, neither American team came close to original Dream Team. And if you today send best players, A team, they would still have problems against teams like Spain, Greece, Serbia, Slovenia or Canada.
I watched every game. I said that Dream Team 1 and 2 toyed with their opponents, which by comparison, is different from how the Redeem Team fared in 2008.
But I also felt that winning by an average of 17.3 ppg isn’t terrible.
I did not comment on how the game played put down the stretch. I was focusing on the overall numbers.
NBA championship isn't a world championship... But team USA has shown time and time again we are the best not always but 80% of the times. I think Nick believes putting the most talented players on a team guarantees winning that is where I think he is clearly wrong. Since we have already proven when we had the most talent and still lost.
I agree with Brou!
Chris is 💯 percent right
The Americans also put their teams together last minute. The other teams for the most part have guys who play together a lot more, not saying they don’t also have their struggles or challenges but the US needs to rethink how and for how long before tournaments they put their teams together.
You're right but unfortunately the US won't ever be like the other countries. 1.The US care less about these non Olympic events . 2. Other countries only have only so many players that can make their squad so those same players are always on the team so they get continuity/chemistry 3. American players are rich & famous so they are less likely to commit yr to yr
lithuania fully collected only in august, a lot of best players isnt even here. its like a B team for us too
Nick and the NBA players want to become World Champions by assumption. You don’t become Worl Champions by “what if we send our best players”. You become a champion bu actually COMPETING!
thank you brou!
Great suit Nick!
Facts
Wish these guys have watched this tournament
Its insane
I agree with Brou that the NBA needs the international influence. But the NBA is still lightyears ahead of every other league.
Ummmm those losers are all NBA players. LeBron lost to Greece ( bunch old guys ) with the best allstars. NBA is light years ahead. Why do NBA guys keep losing. FUNNY HOW JORDAN NEVER LOST AGAINST BUMS FROM EUROPE.
All the top players are international stop this nonsense about nba being light years ahead
@@tjr2312 This is exactly my point. Where do all of those international players play? Is it in the Slovakian leagues? Australian league? Even the euro league? Nope. They all went to the nba. To complete with and against the other best players in the world. The NBA is located in the U.S. but is not made up of only U.S. players. The NBA is an international league in terms of player and roster composition