I think because the whirling combatant was the last thing to deal damage to the minions before they died it gave it credit for all the kills, not the spell
"Remember that one time when you casted Cycle of Hatred, killed some minions and thought you would get 3/3 Spirits? It was ME Barry, I'm the one who killed all those minions!"
@@remyllebeau77 technically, the minions were finished by the minions's frenzy. So a kill means the last thing to deal damage to a minion that results in it having HP equal to or less than 0
I think on 9:36 happened next: DH uses cycle and health's of 3 minion set to 0, which means death, but combatant triggered and deal one damage to all and game think what all minions died by that guy. The most Broken addon ever
I mean trere's a game named MTG. Some players don't know how the game works so they're blaming opponents and creators but themselves for not knowing the rules
@@YarMoLight In MtG if a newly released card has special interactions with specific game mechanics, you can usually find it under that card's rulings though. Also every rule is explained in detail, so there isn't anything ambigous. If you don't know how a card interacts with something, then it is your fault since you didn't investigated the rulings carefully or in-depth enough. So it isn't like Heartstone which Blizzard says "We coded this card, but we won't share how we did it, you playtest it instead to find special interactions.".
That was also a really cool reference, because Fortress is all about taming swamp monsters and their might hero class is called Beastmasters. Also the clip is named Beasty Boys, so it def was on purpose. I see what you did there, Trolden!
Actualy its quite simple.A minion with divine shield tag, will get his divine shield removed, but that one got his divine shield through frenzy, so it stays even if its silenced.
@@laptuca2007 It's not correct, buffs get cleared by silence whether they are innate, self created, or added by another. It would be one thing if it was on the same stack but the buff was already applied prior to silence Edit: they fixed it
Honestly, you can just turn on HS, record your Standard gameplay for 30 minutes and you have your own Trolden episode. Meta is an absolute clown fiesta right now and I can't wait for balance changes.
The divine shield silence interaction is apperanty correct according to blizzard. On all other divine shield minions the divine shield is a key word on the card so it can be silenced. On this minion the text is "Frenzi: Get divine shield" and this is the text being silenced, not the divine shield itself
But it's also supposed to remove all enhancements, not just card text. For example if you give a minion divine shield with the 1 mana spell, silence can remove it although it's not part of the minion's card text
The Divine Shield clip is interesting. Silence removes all text from the card, but Divine Shield is not a part of the text. It gains Divine Shield when it takes damage, and then the text becomes inactive, because Frenzy only triggers once. Because Divine Shield isn't actually a keyword on the card itself, it isn't removed by silence.
That's wrong though since silence also removes buffs from other sources that weren't originally text on the card. Because silence doesn't only affect text that was on the card is why it's run when people play minion buffs. Basically there should be no difference between divine shield given by frenzy and one given by something like hand of protection.
@@YdenMk-II You're right, that should be true. Unless for whatever reason, for this specific card, they used the coding for permanent buffs like with Caverns Below. I don't know why they would do that, just speculating on why it might not have worked.
That last interaction. Is it because Whirling Combatant hit the other minions last that the game considered it killing them instead of Cycle of Hatred? Even though some of the minions were already at 0 hp? Is it why Cycle of Hatred didn’t summon spirits?
Yeah, I guess the game sees 'Whirling combatant hit last > it must have killed the minions', only thing to do it to test another card like the warlock AoE that discards to check if its everything or just cycle of hatred
Yeah, the game doesn't process deaths immediately, but follows a set order of events. Similar oddities can happen when Arcane Missiles clears a full board with some minions that spawn others when taking damage. The board remains full of dead minions until the spell has finished, leaving no space for "whenever this takes damage summon X"
For the record, Samuro + Soulrend doesn't seem to work like that and proceeds to discard the correct amount of cards so they either fixed the bug, it was specific to Whirling Combatant and/or Cycle of Hatred, or I'm missing something about the glitch
Because it boiled down to the fact they specifically had in their hand a card that gave them mana, which the odds are low and therefore, worth the risk
Pretty funny how the first handful of clips is perfectly accurate. Very rarely has an expansion come out and I have no desire to even play the game anymore, I do tend to just try and do my dailies but oddly the game can sometimes be enjoyable to keep playing but not even with any of these new cards now. Outlands was absolute trash when that hit and now this, not sure what was worse, answering every broken thing DH would play and still dying or not even being able to interact with 95% of what mage does and dying?
I'm guessing the game takes the last instance of damage as the 'killer'. So whirling combatant, despite only dealing one damage to already dead minions, counted as the killer.
A lot of the interactions in this expansion are broken af. Piercing Shot (4 mana deal 6 damage to a minion, deal excess to face) doesn't work either. If you target Taelan with divine shield, it deals 0 damage to Taelan and 3 damage to face.
That's how fluffy fire runes used to work lol at least it's "fair" in that regards, instead of giving the mage secret the better end of the stick for some reason
Is it safe put HOMM 3 music on video? There a lot of strikes other youtubers received last 4 month for Paul Romero (and UBI) music from this game (which didn’t happens previous, idk, about 5 years)
I swear, how the fuck this game is coded is beyond me. They give the Yandere Simulator dev a run for his money. (not really, but still, this is a big company we're talking about, this is JUST A CARD GAME, it shouldn't be that hard for THEM to code it so these things don't happen, it's like they wanted to take some magic shortcuts in coding or some shit)
5:20 the worst part of this is that he actually missed lethal. He could HP first, then cast the spell to reduce him to 0hp. BUT he KNEW he had a frog which would shoot a dart. he KNEW that the enemy minion would grant armor if it was damaged. He has no reason to have missed lethal there. But he did.
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So what exactly happened in the last video?
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Maybe the game thought the whirling combatant killed those minions instead
I think because the whirling combatant was the last thing to deal damage to the minions before they died it gave it credit for all the kills, not the spell
small indie company
Smh killsteal.....
10:01 "aah yes, it was me, I killed all these minions! ME, Whirling Combatant!"
Lmao
"Remember that one time when you casted Cycle of Hatred, killed some minions and thought you would get 3/3 Spirits? It was ME Barry, I'm the one who killed all those minions!"
6:00 now this is "50% chance to attack the CORRECT target" SMOrc
I will never get tired of seeing the minion do a little dance once they kill a hero with Hysteria...
That last clip is the biggest KS in history
KS?
@@iarladonlon2826 Kill steal
It is BS is what it is. blizzard's R-tard coding that they won't fix fast enough.
@@remyllebeau77 technically, the minions were finished by the minions's frenzy. So a kill means the last thing to deal damage to a minion that results in it having HP equal to or less than 0
@@ikouzaki Yes I understood that already, it doesn't make it any less BS. Things should not be able to "be killed" when they are already dead.
I think on 9:36 happened next: DH uses cycle and health's of 3 minion set to 0, which means death, but combatant triggered and deal one damage to all and game think what all minions died by that guy. The most Broken addon ever
So even in hearthstone kill steal exist
So if there’s Acidmaw with more than 3 health on my board, the cycle wont do anything?
@@parkjh7198 Donno. i think you should check this
this is just another bug, it shouldn't work like that. what if DH had the broom to give them rush or something. anyways devs fkn tards like their game
Rancor + combatant behave differently though
That last clip is the most Hearthstone thing that I've seen
I mean trere's a game named MTG. Some players don't know how the game works so they're blaming opponents and creators but themselves for not knowing the rules
@@YarMoLight In MtG if a newly released card has special interactions with specific game mechanics, you can usually find it under that card's rulings though. Also every rule is explained in detail, so there isn't anything ambigous. If you don't know how a card interacts with something, then it is your fault since you didn't investigated the rulings carefully or in-depth enough. So it isn't like Heartstone which Blizzard says "We coded this card, but we won't share how we did it, you playtest it instead to find special interactions.".
Yup that was me LOL
8:38 Homm 3 squad where you at?
The vibes
Right here homie
Came instantly to look for this comment :D
Fortress theme was the best to pick here thank you trolden
Hello comrades
I still will never get over you using Fortress music from HOMM3
Now Im going to play HOMM3 for the next month again. This game never gets old
That was also a really cool reference, because Fortress is all about taming swamp monsters and their might hero class is called Beastmasters. Also the clip is named Beasty Boys, so it def was on purpose. I see what you did there, Trolden!
The squicki sound ( 2:13 ) make me laugh everytime 😂😂
Wow. This 8:30 HOMM music was 200% unexpcted =)
8:13 Summarizes Hearthstone games nowadays.
Yup that was me LOL
옥냥이! 옥냥이! 옥냥이! 옥냥이!
옥냥이! 옥냥이!
진용원! 진용원!
미스터옥! 미스터옥!
옥사장!! 옥사장!!
한쿸인
With that last clip and the divine shield clip. Something kooky is going on with frenzy
Actualy its quite simple.A minion with divine shield tag, will get his divine shield removed, but that one got his divine shield through frenzy, so it stays even if its silenced.
@@laptuca2007
It's not correct, buffs get cleared by silence whether they are innate, self created, or added by another. It would be one thing if it was on the same stack but the buff was already applied prior to silence
Edit: they fixed it
8:38 HOMAM
I did not expect to hear a saxophone cover of Megalovania today. Well played.
5:19 "Hello, you've caught me missing lethal"
Honestly, you can just turn on HS, record your Standard gameplay for 30 minutes and you have your own Trolden episode. Meta is an absolute clown fiesta right now and I can't wait for balance changes.
By meta you mean last year / two years?
08:30 옥냥이
All i say is: "Hearthstone interactions". God bless
This video triggers my Google assistant at 0:15 haha
Just Hearthstone being Hearthstone, another episode of regular and common moments 😂
Kibler is slowly but surely turning into Geralt
8:29 진용원! 진용원! 진용원! 진용원!
그거슨 용원이가 먼저 했구연
영어로 말 해주세요
4:41 I felt that yeeeeh
I love it when you tease me with Heroes 3 music
9:24 This is what? Hearthstone!
6:05 Cool victory dance
Damn this video was gold idk it’s because of the 6 beers or dabs but holy crap the last clip had me dying.
Smol indie company.
the last clip when put into a different perspective, heal effects are still counted even if a character 's hp falls to 0.
The Deck of Memeacy
3:01
"Let me guess, Pen Flinger. 😒" Elven Archer shows up. "The O.G. !! 😲"
8:14
Hearthstone developers be like:
Getting "YoggChamp" achievement is REALLY TOUGH
And RDU gets it KILLING himself!
Can't believe you can miss the timing in HS too
WHO IS THE EDITOR? RESPECT.
4:49 hey dats me :D
Now Dog knows how I feel
8:35 - Броня надо.
У него недостаточно брони
Was it just me, or was this Trollden a bit more soul crushing than usual?
6:10 well that felt very special
great to see famous wild hearthstone streamer Get Meowth up here
Legends say this game will one day work slighty decently, making a bit of sense.
I built that same Tavish deck myself a week ago, it does not work too often, but goddamn is it fun when it does
That KILL STEAL was mega!
3:52 wrong hysteria D:
The divine shield silence interaction is apperanty correct according to blizzard. On all other divine shield minions the divine shield is a key word on the card so it can be silenced. On this minion the text is "Frenzi: Get divine shield" and this is the text being silenced, not the divine shield itself
But it's also supposed to remove all enhancements, not just card text. For example if you give a minion divine shield with the 1 mana spell, silence can remove it although it's not part of the minion's card text
That is complete nonsense, as in ALL other cases of a card not having innate divine shield, but receiving it afterwards, it would get silenced off.
the first clip, WTF BROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO XDDD THIJS SO LUCKY !
5:20 This frogggg! Supermind order...
Order lul
this is the first time i think something MISSED timing like that in hearthstone xD
Is Thijs growing into Henry Cavill? What a fucking twist.
The Divine Shield clip is interesting. Silence removes all text from the card, but Divine Shield is not a part of the text. It gains Divine Shield when it takes damage, and then the text becomes inactive, because Frenzy only triggers once. Because Divine Shield isn't actually a keyword on the card itself, it isn't removed by silence.
That's wrong though since silence also removes buffs from other sources that weren't originally text on the card. Because silence doesn't only affect text that was on the card is why it's run when people play minion buffs. Basically there should be no difference between divine shield given by frenzy and one given by something like hand of protection.
@@YdenMk-II You're right, that should be true. Unless for whatever reason, for this specific card, they used the coding for permanent buffs like with Caverns Below. I don't know why they would do that, just speculating on why it might not have worked.
6:50 David Blaine, is that you?
Wait, a video starting with Thijs getting lucky?! 🤯
what happened to this game that i am actually rooting for the facehunter playing vs a "control" mage
@@shaunhayes3072 It's funny, I know I lose more against secret pally, but my pure hatred of lunacy mage lets me forget that lol
In Korea, we call the bug in the last vid the "College level Coding"
5.56 Oxi malaka hahahaahh i love Greeks so much lol
Ogre was hands down the best moment followed by Illidari Inquisitor + Doomhammer
0:30
Am I the only one who saw Thijs as a slim henry cavil ?
What
I'm only here for the sick sax music
That last interaction. Is it because Whirling Combatant hit the other minions last that the game considered it killing them instead of Cycle of Hatred? Even though some of the minions were already at 0 hp? Is it why Cycle of Hatred didn’t summon spirits?
Yeah, I guess the game sees 'Whirling combatant hit last > it must have killed the minions', only thing to do it to test another card like the warlock AoE that discards to check if its everything or just cycle of hatred
Yeah, the game doesn't process deaths immediately, but follows a set order of events.
Similar oddities can happen when Arcane Missiles clears a full board with some minions that spawn others when taking damage. The board remains full of dead minions until the spell has finished, leaving no space for "whenever this takes damage summon X"
Now I want to test if Samuro + Soulrend works that way too and doesn't discard any cards from enemy minions killed
For the record, Samuro + Soulrend doesn't seem to work like that and proceeds to discard the correct amount of cards so they either fixed the bug, it was specific to Whirling Combatant and/or Cycle of Hatred, or I'm missing something about the glitch
옥냥: 디스 이즈 하스통
A non-chringe Thijs clip ! What is this madness?!
gotta love random effects am I right? Absolutely not problematic at all
6:04 - 50% Chance to Attack the CVorrect enemy indeed SMOrc
Honestly no clue why Dog thought it was a good idea to play Celestial Alignment against Lunacy Mage
Because it boiled down to the fact they specifically had in their hand a card that gave them mana, which the odds are low and therefore, worth the risk
wow I remember Wrathblade the salty arena forums guy, cool dude can’t believe he streams now
i have tavish, and i can confirm that he is pretty much broken
rng is falling from the sky yet again
Pretty funny how the first handful of clips is perfectly accurate. Very rarely has an expansion come out and I have no desire to even play the game anymore, I do tend to just try and do my dailies but oddly the game can sometimes be enjoyable to keep playing but not even with any of these new cards now. Outlands was absolute trash when that hit and now this, not sure what was worse, answering every broken thing DH would play and still dying or not even being able to interact with 95% of what mage does and dying?
I'm guessing the game takes the last instance of damage as the 'killer'.
So whirling combatant, despite only dealing one damage to already dead minions, counted as the killer.
Smawl Indy comepany.
Current Hearthstone Meta since 2020: Only Fun when watching it on Trolden..... Playing the Actual game is a different story
옥냥이가 트롤덴에? ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ
A lot of the interactions in this expansion are broken af. Piercing Shot (4 mana deal 6 damage to a minion, deal excess to face) doesn't work either. If you target Taelan with divine shield, it deals 0 damage to Taelan and 3 damage to face.
That is how excess dmg and divine shield have worked for at least 2 years
That's how fluffy fire runes used to work lol at least it's "fair" in that regards, instead of giving the mage secret the better end of the stick for some reason
The sunwell initiate is not a bug it's supposed to be stay divined even if silenced do not know why tbh
Some serious glitches, Blizzard...
Is it safe put HOMM 3 music on video? There a lot of strikes other youtubers received last 4 month for Paul Romero (and UBI) music from this game (which didn’t happens previous, idk, about 5 years)
Some still question his divine shield to this day
O R D E R kekw
what's the name of the song of the last clip?
옥냥이 아저씨다!!!!!!!
I swear, how the fuck this game is coded is beyond me. They give the Yandere Simulator dev a run for his money.
(not really, but still, this is a big company we're talking about, this is JUST A CARD GAME, it shouldn't be that hard for THEM to code it so these things don't happen, it's like they wanted to take some magic shortcuts in coding or some shit)
Way to go blizz, lure Dog back to constructed just to remind him why he left
Why did that alex activate the battlecry 2 times in one summon
В последнем видео фактически существа были убиты берсерком, а не спеллом
Rip Gruul
옥냥이가 저콤보 먼저 했구연~
옥냥이가 먼저함
why is the meta always broken by the meme cards tho?
Because Hearthstone is a fucking meme.
We know Pen Flinger is a strictly better Elven Archer, and this video shows Elven Archer is OP. Nerf incoming.
Hearthstone is a balanced game made by a small indie studio, obviously.
Sisi Odemian !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
clicked faster than zoom
Faster than fast. Quicker than quick.
Appa!! 여기서라도 불러봐...
한쿡
this is what? Hearthstone.
5:20 the worst part of this is that he actually missed lethal.
He could HP first, then cast the spell to reduce him to 0hp.
BUT he KNEW he had a frog which would shoot a dart. he KNEW that the enemy minion would grant armor if it was damaged. He has no reason to have missed lethal there. But he did.
lmao this video is a showcase of 'why I don't play this game anymore'
when oh my yogg becomes almost as annoying as deck of lunacy ...
No worries guys. F2P game