Bueno, no entiendo ingles, pero pude mirar el video y lei casi todos los comentarios, gracias a los traductores. Agradezco a este video ya que despues de verlo y ver que no me funcionaba el TTL en mi Sony a7III, con un disparador XPRO II y un Godox V860III, me puse a revisar las configuraciones de camara y video, resulta que despues de hacer algunos cambios, el sistema funciono sin problema. los parametros que revise fueron: CAMARA -. activar en pestaña de parametos de flash (1-12), flash inalambrico. DISPARADOR -. TCM transform function: Seleccionar para el caso del godox, el icono del flash - Legacy hot shoe: off -. PC socket: in. Bueno todos esto lo hice como tambien actualice tanto, camara, flash y disparador con el ultimo firmware de cada uno. Por otro lado no olvide revisar que los pines no esten torcido y colocar el cabezal, con la mayor paciencia y ver que quede bien en la camar. Espero esto le pueda ayudar a alguien
Hola! De casualidad te pasa que al poner el flash en la cámara (Godox V860III) tienes que poner mucha presión para ajustarlo? se sintiera como si no encajara aunque es la versión para Sony con la misma zapata.
@@isabellopez7256 Hola bueas trades. SI en mi caso la zapata entra muy justa y siempre me toca ajustarla con cuidado, ya que parece que no fuera a encajar...
After watching, I got out my Godox V1S and attached it to my A7RV. I had no issues at all shooting in TTL mode. In fact, the photos looked MUCH better than any I took on my old A7III using the same flash and TTL. (This isn’t too surprising given that the A7RV is a vastly superior photographic camera, but I was initially concerned based off your video). The improved white balance and colors are also prominently on display using this camera and flash combo, provided you set the white balance to “Flash.”
@@KarlMeyer I tested it at f2.8 and f5.6, on the Sony 24-70 GM II; both worked fine. I am only using TTL with the VS1 on camera. For off camera flash, I would never use TTL anyway. I much prefer to meter and set my flashes via the meter. Settings from Page 4 in the A7RV purple Exposure/Color menu: Flash Mode: Fill-flash Flash Comp.: 0 Exp.comp.set: Ambient only Wireless Flash: Off Red Eye Reduction: Off
@@2010SLP Thanks for sharing. Just did some more testing. It defaults to 1/128 every time for me, sadly. It's definitely broken for anything shot at 2.8 or wider. Someone else left a great explanation as to why that is either a conspiracy theory or the truth. It sounds totally reasonable.
@2010SLP Interested in getting an on camera flash..so do you recommend the Godox V1..currently using a Sony A74 and A7RV...I do events on occasion..so everything works fine in your experience?...some people have mentioned that BHPhoto are shipping the "updated" metal hot shoes instead of the old plastic ones..but I saw that BHphoto sells the replacement "metal hot shoe" for like $20?...thanks
What I have found is that my godox flashes and triggers were not keeping up with the 10fps. Sometimes, it wouldn’t even keep up with 5fps. I’ve photographed so many events where the flash did not fire, and some of the most amazing shots out of the bursts were the ones where that flash did not light up the subject. I tried my first Sony flash at the beginning of the year. It sucks that you need to use AA batteries, but when it comes to event work, I’m going to be sticking with Sony flashes. The quality as you mention is amazing and I like the fact that it communicates directly with the camera’s interface. White balance is usually perfect. Being able to control the flash with the cameras lcd is pretty amazing. To me it’s gonna save a bunch of time in post and quicker deliveries means I can get onto the next thing. I do agree, that if Sony is doing this on purpose with 3rd party flashes, hopefully they can fix it to allow us more affordable options, or give us lithium built-in batteries in the Sony flashes, and that would be great to. Either way great video. Thanks for the insight.
Hi Karl, Your video really hits home with me and I appreciate your making it. I just subscribed to your channel because of it! I have been shooting professionally for about 16 years and 95% of my work is done with flash/strobes. I started with Nikon, went to Sony and now shoot Canon. One of the reasons I switched to Canon was because of the years of frustration I had with Sony's off camera flash situation. Im far from a technical person but I have used Godox flashes with different Sony cameras and I can tell you that I have had many, many shoots ruined because my flashes would not fire, would not fire accurately and were the cause of additional stress during important jobs as I could not trust that it would work. Ive had to shoot with natural light because my flashes wouldn't work, re-schedule shoots and constantly worry about whether or not my flashes would malfunction instead of concentrating on my clients, compositions, poses, etc. I believe one of the problems with the Sony system and off camera flash with Godox, Westcott and other 3rd party flashes is the Sony hot shoe design. If you look at Canon's and Nikon's hot shoe and then look at Sony's you can easily see the difference. The construction, design, stability, balance and protection of the components on the Sony system hot shoe is their Achilles Heal. Even putting the flashes in the hot shoe is challenging because you really never know if its in correctly or not. It may not work at all, breakdown during a shoot or it may work fine. Its kind of like driving a car you dont trust! I sold my entire Sony system and went to Canon and for many reasons am much better off. Canon, for me, has been reliable, easy and comfortable to use and it performs better than any Ive used in the past. However, Im not saying this is a universal statement that applies to everyone. Im sure Sony products are excellent for many of their millions of users, but for me, not so much. Thank you for letting me share my experience with you and your channel! Great video and I look forward to your future content! Best to you Karl! 😊
Yes! I started on Sony and thought it was me! I could never get TTL to work on on-camera flash, off camera, strobes, led strobe, nothing. I've had to use manual and it's just been frustrating. I bought a Sony HVL f28rm and all of a sudden it worked. Now with your input I'm very tempted to leave Sony.
@@VincenteArt Hi! Im not familiar with the HVLf28m, but hope it works well for you! I just had a lot of bad luck with Sony that was really costing me so I decided to switch to Canon about 2 years ago. Best of luck to you!
I have absolutely no issues using my Godox/ Flashpoint strobes, including my V1 on-camera and off-camera with wireless triggering in TTL on my Sony bodies and never did have any issues. I dont know what you are doing wrong, but it is something. FYI, I currently shoot with Sony A7RV, A1, A7SIII and they all work great in TTL with my Godox V1, Godox AD200Pro. AD300Pro, AD400Pro and AD600Pro strobes. I am a longtime International Award-winning pro and it all has to work for me and my varied clients, and it does. Something is wrong with your setup and/or gear. I dont use Wescott strobes , and I tried using Sony flashes, but wasn't impressed and they were way overpriced so I sold them, and have been completely happy with my Godox/Flashpoint gear. Cheers and best to you.
The Godox do not work in wireless TTL. Everyone who says they do are using aperture of f4 or more. At wide apertures of f2 or f1.4 Godox underexposes by about 3 stops. I've tried ad200 pro with both the xt2 and X3 triggers. Interestingly it seems the dirt cheap Neewer Z2 does work in wireless TTL.
@@K9Weddings Then someone is lying..You replied to 6G to call him a liar? Who has proof? I saw some others saying they use the Sony flashes with no issues...
@@michaels8597Do you actually use Sony cameras with Godox flashes? I do and I have two camera bodies and two different flash triggers from Godox. The Godox flashes work great on camera. The issue is off camera TTL. It's not a case of calling anyone a liar. Everyone with this issue is merely pointing out that those that haven't experienced the issue must be using apertures like f4 to f22. Wider apertures start to see underexposure which gets worse the wider the aperture. I'm happy for anyone to upload a video to dispute the claims made in this video but merely replying they don't see an issue isn't evidence that there isn't a problem. Unless they actually try and replicate it by using a wide aperture they will never see the issue the rest of us are talking about.
@@K9Weddings You presented as much PROOF and the people who said they have no issues with the Sony flash. Your claim is just a claim as well. You ONLY presented YOUR anecdotal 'evidence', so if they say they DID have success and you say that's not true, you are calling them liars. YOU said they must be using certain apertures yet you do NOT KNOW that as a FACT. To answer your question when I had my Sony A series camera,I did use a Sony flash. Now I have smaller cameras from Sony and have NO flashes for them.
@michaels8597 I can certainly upload a video highlighting the issue but it would merely show exactly what others have reported already. I can't stress enough that I'm not calling people a liar, simply pointing out there is a reason why they don't see what others are seeing and that is the aperture chosen. I'd be delighted to be wrong if there was some camera or flash setting that would suddenly make off camera TTL work at apertures like f1.4 to f2.5 which is what I choose for 80% of my portrait images. I've even seen video comments saying the new Godox X3 trigger solves the issue but it doesn't. Please refer me to an actual video of someone showing the system working at these apertures. The only videos I can find are from people with the same issue. What surprised me was a video of various flashes that seemed to indicate that the Neewer Z2 didn't have the issue wirelessly which was a shock since the Neewer looks very similar to Godox but is even cheaper. If it's true then there is hope but having tested this with two different Sony bodies and two Godox triggers I'm confident in my claim that it doesn't work yet. There's a reason so many who use the Godox system with Sony do so in manual.
For the Westcott flash you need to have the sony adapter on your camera hotshoe first before you can put the flash on camera. Make sure your transmitters/flashes are all updated to the latest firmware for compatibility with the latest sony camera bodies
I got a full Godox kit for my A1. V1 Pro, A,100 X3. For some of my use like low light event, off-camera TTL that works reasonably well is a necessity. After trying, i figured out that Godox can completely not do this. I found a used HVL-F28RM and HVL-F60RM and bought these. Woho! These flashes are just awesome, and great how they integrate with the camera. Flash photography got fun again! The AA batteries feels quite ancient though, but it works. And seems due to the good integration with the camera body they somehow get efficient, and even the F28RM can do quite some 20 pictures per second bursts. Then small things like not having to turn on or off the flash, the camera control that. Possibility to assign buttons on camera to control TTL flash compensation. No need to set high speed sync, it happens automatically. Ability to do 1/50000 sec shutter speeds and the flash handles that with no issues (a bit theoretical use case...).
Hi Karl, Great Video, I have been smiling at your tests as I have done them myself and found the exact same issues. Godox, Pixapro, Wescott speedlights all come out of the same factory and they just knock them out. However.. off camera they work very well in manual but absolutely suck in TTL. Why!!! Its just a guess but the cheap triggers are to blame, they work have to calculate the flash power then send that info to the speedlight and I don't believe the tech inside them is up to scratch maybe there just junk, combine that with all the different manufactures of cameras Boom you have a problem so I believe they turn a blind eye to these issues . The triggers are just very poor and the hotshots are just pathetic thats by they break so often. SO! I have the new Sony F60RM2 which like you said works very well and I totally agree, The hot shoe connection has far more communications going on hence why cheap triggers are useless at TTL. I current work as an events and wedding photographer and I kick the shite out of my Sony speed lights and they work superbly, so I forgive the AA and the screen which maybe old tech but it does not bother me what so ever. Sony does its job, The rotational head for press shots is amazing too. Before I sign off, I also use Profoto A1s and agin the TTL is unbeatable and very consistent, buy hey they come at a price. The triggers are also expensive. That must confirm what I have said above, cheap triggers just suck at TTL. I may be wrong but thats what I have found. Godox are great in manual and perfect for off camera use, if they get smashed its not so painful.
I have a sony a6300 and was going to buy the sony a7iv. I've got the FJ80 II (not the S) but I have the adapter for sony cameras. When I put the flash on my camera it'll flash one time, and then never again. I've practice this multiple times, and each time it'll flash for me once when I press the shutter, and then cease to fire. Thank you for this video, it has changed my mind on purchasing another sony camera. I love sony, and westcott, but I love ease of use even more!
I also struggle with problems like sometimes flash works and then it’s not, like some roulette, about your luck 😅 if you move flash forward back left right you can find positions where it’s work, and then it’s stop, like have bad connection, and for years i thought problem in godox hot shoe I changed maybe 10 times for 1 years. But to the end it’s because black color on smart shoe of Sony. I just clean it off completely with polishing pen and connection became stable. I use Sony a7iii
First let me say thank you for sharing, I have two Sony F60RM2 and the Sony controller. I also have two Westcott FJ802 and the controller with two FJ200. I'm not having any of these issues in TTL or with HSS on as well but I will say i'm using the Sony A1 so i'm not sure what difference that might make but i'm getting the same exposure from both systems. In-fact besides the white balance correction from the Sony they look exactly the same. Hope it works out for you because I do understand what it feels like to spend a lot of money on a product and it not work properly. Good luck, nice video.
I have no issues with the Godox setup I use even if I use f1.8 which is my widest aperture I own. The X2T-S together with the XR1-S works perfectly fine with the older Sony HVL-F60, HVL-F20 and HVL-F43 and you get a much better high sync speed of 1/8000 if needed. The next flash I’ll purchase is the Godox AD200pro for outdoors and I don’t’ expect any issues at all. It is very sad that your “wrong” information’s in this video my cause some Sony A7R5 interested people not to go for it , even it is one of the best camera on the market today.
@@RaniJoensen I discovered that if the flash is set to HSS then the exposure compensation hast to be used up to +3 . In normal TTL everything works well.
Good to hear that others have same problems with Sony and TTL-metering. It's protectionism, but in wrong place because Godox is a very innovative flash manufacturer that flash users cannot pass by without considering it as a cost effective way to have flash system from handhelds to mobile powerpacked studio stuff.
I found this video because I recently switched to Sony from Nikon and quickly noticed this issue. I have the new A7RV. Thankfully, for my work I only need TTL for the on camera flash, my off camera flashes are almost always on manual. So as long as the Godox TTL works on camera I should be ok, but I hope Sony or Godox can fix this issue. So you are correct this is an issue.
I use a A7cii, X3-s (firmware 1.15), and Godox V1s (firmware 1.8) and have issues with wireless TTL underexposing (+3 compensation wasn't enough). Found a hacky solution after playing around: Holding down the lens "Focus Hold" button in AF-C while releasing the shutter somehow fixed TTL's exposure. Can someone else confirm this works for them? After finding out the "Focus hold" button solves the issue, I tried switching between different focusing mode (AF-S, AF-C, AF-A) ,focus area (Wide, spot, zone etc), metering modes, and metering linked to focus point (on/off) but none of these combo work. Only the focus hold button fixes the issue.
Hi Karl, my Sony A7M4 does the same on wireless ttl as you described it in your video. My Sony A1 does not. It works perfectly on wireless ttl with godox. I used the xproII transmitter and a ad300pro flash with recent firmware. That is really wired ......
Thank you! You out it togethr for me. I have Godox and Wescott on camera and off camera flash, and I have to use manual all the time. Then i bought the HVL F28RM and it just works. Which was exciting. About to buy a used HVL F60RM but decided to do some research and came across your video. Its so hard to find an all around good camera. Sony has been perfect for me and my work flow with the best hybrid photo/video switching there is, and the glass is great. But I want to elevate my craft and use flash.
I haven't tried shooting TTL with my A7RV and Godox AD200Pro. But, I did use it this weekend but I set the Godox set to TTL (not the A7RV) and didn't have any issues but now I want to try it the way you are.
Now this is why i've had problems using rear sync. Was disappointed during a party shoot that i couldnt use the rear sync on the A7IV with the 3rd party flash i used with no problems with the A7III.
This is exactly the problem I have had using the XPro S & XPro II S with my A7iv and A7Riv bodies. All images are underexposed by several stops, and it's inconsistent so compensation doesn't work. If I put a V1 on camera, TTL works as it should. I owned the XPro F for my Fuji, and TTL off camera works as it should. This seems to be a problem with Sony cameras only. I reached out to Godox, but they never replied to me. The support has been really disappointing.
do it without the softbox and take care that zoom mode is identical on each flash and that the head is equally inside the softbox! The difference is most probably the characteristic rectangular vs. round in the softbox as the rectangular is more directly.
your answer would make sense if the flashes were in manual mode. in TTL mode the flash power is expected to compensate those different factors that you've mentioned automatically
I don't find it that surprising that a third-party flash system does not operate perfectly with a particular camera. Autofocus with third-party lenses also don't work as well as camera manufacturer lenses. I tried out various Godox portable flash units because my studio flashes are all Godox. I can say for sure the Godox units are not as powerful as the Sony ones. The V1 is about a stop less powerful than the Sony HV60. Also, the Godox AD 200 puts out one-stop more light than the Godox AD400. That is because the AD200 has a different type of flashhead (fresnel). But I bet there are a lot of people who buy the higher-watt second flash thinking they are getting more. So, I went with the Sony flash system...more powerful, less lag time, better built, metal shoe. You get what you pay for in this case IMHO
Same here with a bit different gear. Still I hope I'll find a solution for this issue or a bug fix will come out. 🙏 Using Sony a7m3 with a Sigma lens adapter for Canon EF lenses (so not using native Sony lenses currently) and Godox AD400pro & 600pro wireless studio flashes. I fire the camera and a lot of times (but in a small percentage this does NOT happen 🥶) there's a sync issue with this setup, causing a time gap (1-1,5 sec) that means I press the shutter button and the camera "waits" about 1 sec to shoot. Imagine this while taking portraits. I got used to this but still cannot believe this. I like using Sony for its quality but it's so crazy to experience such a bug in a not cheap system. Experienced the same with Mark IV at work. Never experienced anything like this with Canon. 🤨🥶
Thanks for addressing the issue. I have tried yesterday on my A7IV off camera Godox V1with X2 transmitter and TTL is underexposed a lot. Works fine on the camera. I never had an issue with this set up with my old A7R2. I have updated firmware on my godox and the camera but no luck. So now Im stranded with 3 godox flashes (Ad200pro, V1 and 860iii) I cannot use with my new camera :(
Hi! I just bought a Godox flash for my A7IV too (860iii), but it feels like I have to put a lot of pressure in order to attach it and detach it form my camera. Did this happen to you too?
Thank you so much for this video. I thought it must be my fault: The settings are complex, and I still do not know what each setting does. I thought TTL must be something for beginners as you get to at least a useful exposure somehow. I did lots of tests but did not get it to work with my A7iii as expected. Sometimes I get usable exposure with +3 stops flash compensation. Most of the time it is too dark. And sometimes it does not adjust when I e.g. open the aperture and overexposes the images so that it is completely unusable. This especially happens when the camera is in manual mode. In other automatic modes it correctly exposes the image, but it is not doing what I want (e.g. sets the ISO super high). I ended up working in manual mode (M) on camera and setting the flash power manually. This is the only reliable method, but it requires some test shots. On conferences or events, you need to be quick and do not always have the chance to take test shots. It is so annoying when you miss a moment because you are just too slow with the manual settings. I really wish I would have a reliable TTL option.
Weird, I'm getting perfect exposures using TTL with my Godox TT685 and X1 trigger on my A1. I haven't used this flash for years but figured I'd try it out.
I heard that Sony flash with some A is best option, I always using godox but only in manual mode because TTL is very terrible and such disappointing 🤦♂️ really thinking to buy something from Sony line. But I need also transmitter because I’m nightclub photographer and most of the time I using flash out of camera with softbox. Maybe someone with really experience can recommend best option.
One thing that I want to add: You turn around the bug statement. It is not a Sony bug as all the other old Sony Flash and Godox are working perfectly well. The other manufactures of addons have to adapt their firmware to work proper with the camera that they are attached to. It would be the same if you have older car rims for you car that doesn’t fit, you blame the car manufacturer to change their setup due to an assembly design error ! A little weird. In one thing I agree with you, you shouldn’t have made this video.
Confirming. Latest A7S3 and Godox Xpro2 and V1S firmware upgrades - the issues is still there. TTL works fine while V1 on camera and fails when using transmitter.
On the V1S they make a metal hot shoe version now (hard to find) I ordered a metal hot shoe replacement and it’s amazing i break the plastic Godox hot shoes so often and they’re hard to slot in. The metal ones no issues so far
@@sulev111 regardless these metal hot shoes have yet to break on me yet simply due to less friction when inserting and taking off. The plastic ones break on my monthly
@@koolaidpapi7674 apples n oranges :P I use my flashes mostly on tripods. There the metal plate makes 0 difference. Godox needs to improve their build quality.
Hello I don’t know about you, but I use Godox flashes and Sony cameras and the photos look flat and not beautiful. As soon as I changed Sony to Canon with the same settings, the same conditions and photos look fantastic.
Surely it is up to Godox et al to make their flashes compatible with the Sony protocol? I think your criticism is misdirected, especially as the Sony flashes work so beautifully. This video is just silly and naïve. "Wireless TTL does not work on the new Sony cameras" - that is just utter BS. It works brilliantly, if you use the correct equipment.
@@KarlMeyer As do Canon, Nikon, Panasonic et al. Sony's is just harder to figure out. These protocols are not public, nor licensed. I too, was frustrated that I could not use all the features of the wonderful Godox V860III S (S for Sony!) on my Sony A1, but the blame lies with Godox, not Sony. (As much as I dislike Sony for other reasons)
It's bad... I have a problem with the 3rd party Sony ecosystem big time as well. You can't even get the IR focus beam to work on the a7IV with some transmitters aad the fact the Sony doesn't even have an AF beam on their trigger kills me! I work a lot of low-light events and not getting focus while working off camera is just dumb! I have been using a Elinchrom Transmitter pro for some Rotolights and came to find out that it won't fire the AF beam on the a7IV camera. I am almost convinced I should go back to my a7III, just so things work again, plus, I hate the fold out screen versus the tilt screen, since it blocks the ports when I'm using them and need to use the fold out screen... So many bad choices made with the a7IV. So many. I love my Sony flashes, but the system could really use an overhaul and the HVL-F60RM2 is not even an upgrade! The LED beam was removed? WHAT?! That was a feature and it's somehow more expensive than the last generation still?! Why is Sony so good with what it gives consumers inside the cameras, but so bad with their peripherals and compatibility besides? The Sony interface hot shoe is the other issue... I've replaced about 3 hot shoes on my Sony flashes alone and another on the Flashpoint./Godox Thank you for saying something! TH-cam is desolate wasteland when it comes to videos talking about the Sony flash system. More videos need to be made so Sony feels the pressure!
Are you using the hotshoe adapter for Sony it comes in the Westcott box, checa this out, I love Wescott cost a little bit more than the Godox and is better or good as a Profoto for a third of the Profoto price.
Dear Karl, Thank you so much for this video. You have found the one combination that seems to work: Sony HVLF60M plus Sony FA-WRC1M Wireless Radio Commander. Just for reader information I was able to order both of these reused for a total of $300 from eBay. At about 7% of the cost of A7rV this cost is reasonable. When they arrive, I will let you know if they actually work. In the meantime I am putting all of my various non working TTL flashes in a storage box, to be used potentially as remote flashes when needed, providing the Sony Radio commander can trigger them. I have Nissin, Godex, Flashpoint, and various older Sony flashes that don't work for TTL on A7rV.
Question.......So I see that the Godox is communicating and it technically works but does not work properly (out of the box) can you explain what exactly the problem is, for example what is it not doing properly that is causing the improper exposure? Have you called Godox and asked them?
Karl Meyer & other saying about AA (14:13). You can buy ATG/Quantum/Nissin battery pack and connect it to flash. You should really stay away from Li-ion battery for speedlites. They are expensive & use or no use they will go bad. ATG used to support Jinbei/Orlit/Rollei/Westcott but departed over to become ATG/Godox. So much problems & no supports at all from Jinbei for USA. That Adorama and B&H no longer support them. Tested Sony A1 & A1 II: Jinbei & Rollei & Westcott are not supported. You don't buy TTL features and use it in manual modes. As a matter of fact one can use ATG's Quantum QFlash T2 and get better results than using wireless radio TTL.
my A9 with the old menu still has this problem, not as bad. As others have said it goes away above f4. I have godox, they are ok especially with you factor in the cost. Love the batteries on V1 which last forever. I was hoping the new controller would fix this problem but it does not. Also it has the old rubbish plastic foot not the newer metals ones you can get for the flash. Have you tried profoto ?
Great video Karl. I had horrible experience with Godox this weekend. Speed lights were undersexposing with ttl, on both A7iii and A7R v. At some point during the ceremony they decide to blow at kind of full power and overexpose everything by a lot. Same happened with AD200 and 400. So bad.... I was thinking about westcott, but after your video I'm definitely considering jumping to profoto, no matter the price. Any experience with profoto??
Hi! I'm working as a photography assistant and ever since we've changed to profoto, there is no looking back. Literally the absolute BEST in flash and better than you can imagine.
Profoto A1x performs similarly to the other off brands. Sometimes it nails exposure, other times it misses or just doesn't fire. It's frustrating so I just went to manual mode for my shoot two days ago. I am considering the smaller (not so expensive) Sony flashes exclusively for event work as I just need them to function properly so I don't miss these moments.
Did you try switching the wireless flash off in the camera menu? I just switched it off, and it seems to work, at least indoors. It was not working properly before I switched it off. I will test it again outdoors tomorrow. I have an ad200-pro, X2t-s, and A7c
Im using a sony a6100 in my room. The camera doesnt adapt for the flash. Im using 1/250 at 2.8 and iso us 6400 for with or without flash its just a brighter photo.
just tried x3 (or as it was called before x-nano) with a6500 - same issue, so I'm not sure it is just these new menu models, looks like it doesn't work with all Sony bodies
Oh oh! I just ordered a Godex V1 Pro for my R7V. Currently there is no Sony flash units or triggers available in the time frame I need them. Any updates on this issue?
Hi Karl, great video, it illustrates the problem with third party gear and future proofing. I had the same problem with an old sigma lens over generations of canon cameras, years ago. It shows that the third party manufacturers cant keep up with the development of the main brand. This is why i only by native lenses, unless im ready to take the risk. Hopefully godox and the others will adapt to the new sonys, but it will probably mean a new investment.😢
i purchased godox V1S pro with subflash and miss all my on-camera ttl pictures. I used HVL-F60rm2 and all same pictures are perfect. strange but does it confirm that the sony flash communicates with camera for focus mode, exposure,... ?
So, I just bought a Sony a7rii, because they've gotten much less expensive. Now, I want to do some HSS outdoor portraits using my Westcott fj-400 and the fj-X2m and it will not do HSS. I had to turn off several settings in the camera, update firmware on all westcott equipment and still no HSS for the Sony. All my old Canon cameras will do HSS with my fj-400 but that is what I bought the Sony to do. It is June 2024 and you'd think any issues with the a7rii would have been debugged by now. Anyone else have this issue?
hello, very good video. One question: I have a Sony a7siii and I wanted to buy the godox V860iii s flash to put it on the camera and practice. I will not have any problem with the TTL ? Thanks
Whats the Softbox brand/model? Appreciate the video. Im new to flash and in the market for one. I came across the GoDox brand, but i may just spend the 💰 for Sony… 🤦🏽♂️🤷🏽♂️
this is a strange advice. M mode is perfectly fine when you have placed you flash on a stand and 've done a number of test shots. Now imagine you run around a venue during an event and its main goal has nothing to do with photos, people are there for a different reason. It is you who needs those photographs, not them. So you have to move around and adapt. Using M mode in this scenario is somewhat doable, but a working TTL mode would make your work so much easier...
Has there been an update to the TTL issue with the sony A7RV as i am looking to get it but want to be able to do off camera flash photography. I also see that the flash sync speed is 250 of a second. how good the A7RV for flash photography?
Hi, I have a Sony A7IV that by putting a Godox X2T-S trigger and using a Godox AD400 PRO Flash, manually and in HSS works very well, but if I put the trigger in TTL and excluding HSS from the trigger and SU AD400 PRO in TTL without HSS doesn't work, in the sense that in TTL the Sony A7IV should lock the safety time at 1/250 and it doesn't, if I turn the time wheel it goes to 1/320 - up to 1/8000 so it's not possible to use the Sony A7IV in TTL with Trigger and AD 400PRO, I don't have Sony Flash only Godox AD400 PRO. Godox V1-C but it's canon and Godox 865 again for Canon and then I have a Canon 600ex-rt ii that I use on the Canon 5d Mark IV... Is there a mode or setting on the Sony A7IV that freezes time at 1/ 250 so that the Flash adjusts the power of the Flash based on the aperture?
From my point of view no matter the manufacture the commander units are all shitty since the mirrorless cameras took over the market, because they didn't give them a front facing AF Assist light - especially for people that have to shoot people in low light. An Old Nikon SU-800 from 2005 can provide a sharp image even though there is no light at all on target. Build in AF Assist light sucks on all cameras > blocked by a big lense.
This Video, may help on Godox think about developing a flash with touch screen,...maybe improve ttl on wireless, that to be sincerely, I do not care,....at all, because I always, always, use M when OFC, yes I to use ttl when it is pop it on the camera, and I think Godox knows most of people work on that way...
I wish I had cut more fat off this video, but thank you. I’ve got a light dome ii on me, an Aputure lantern for raising the rooms ambient light and an Aputure 2ft tube light behind me. I use an Aputure light dome mini ii for the flashes. Cheers.
@@KarlMeyer yes , that’s what I thought - I’ve been pleasantly surprised myself , my ex even dropped my flash in the ocean and i through it in some rice and it still worked 😅☀️
Hi, does something has changed since the latest firmware updates (both camera, particulary A7IV and Godox)? And, what about the Godox transmitter? Is it damaging the A7IV hot shoe or is it just mounts tough? Thanks!
Hello, I have a godox flash for sony, but when I put my camera in manual mode (sonny at 7 iV), the camera disables the flash. the same happens when putting the radio. while the camera is on the AUTO dial, the flash works normally (radio or flash) but switching to any other option (A, S, P, or M) immediately disables the flash function, just as if disabling the hot shoe. do you know what i can do?
I had the same problem and found your video. I am checking with sony a1 and godox xpro-s, v1, v860 II. As soon as I switch from the speedlight attached to the camera to the wireless remote flash, the TTL result is about 2 stops darker (I also felt that the more defusion I attach the greater the attenuation, the darker it gets.) I used the TCM function to see the flash output of the TTL and for some reason it is more than a 1/4 flash. It also seemed to me that it did not increase the amount of light emitted. I switched to the old GODOX Commander X1T-s and the image seemed to be a little darker, though a little better. I have a slight hunch that it may be a problem with the commander. Is your commander X-PRO-s? After trying various things after my earlier post, I found out that if you use the FEL, a feature that can be registered on a custom button, and press the register flash button once in advance to lock the exposure with the flash, and then take a flash shot, you can use the proper X-PRO or the exposure compensation in the camera menu. Even if you set it to plus or minus 0, you will still get the proper exposure. This means that the exposure data from the pre-flash when the Commander is attached is not completely transmitted to the flash side due to some problem in the case of normal issuance without FEL. Translated with www.DeepL.com/Translator (free version)
This was some good and interesting comments. I have done some experimentation with assigning FEL toggle to a button. Use that to take flash measurement for each new situation. Not too conclusive testing yet, but looks promising.
Hey guys, quick question! I got one a7iii and bought with it the Sony HVL-f46rm flash and I can't sync/connect it with my Godox xproS(trigger) that I just buyed. Is that right? OR I really need a sony trigger only for that porpuse? Thank you!
Godox V1 S for Sony does not expose well in TTL, I have had 2 and 3 units of this flash and it is a serious problem, so good when you shoot a lot of shots, one fails, it does not shoot and the color temperature changes, it is not only my problem, there are more people with these problems I used it at a wedding and it was fatal as I commented on a youtuber who is from Olympus exposing the same problem and in the end he agreed with me at a wedding he gave null shots and when the flash heats up it changes the white balance now I make another video that will no longer use it, in the end I comment that it is worth paying more and have something reliable I am talking about weddings as a professional photographer and bought a profoto, if it costs more but you do not risk it on yourself worked. I have had this flash at Olympus, at Sony and at Nikon and I would not risk it professionally, there are many more people with these problems apart from the broken shoe, now they are starting to remove a metal shoe but there are still these problems with the. In the end, cheap is 2 times more expensive. Regards
Ok,here is MY issue...If I spent my money I would take all the gear and USE IT inside a studio and outside, within the 14 days or so, then TAKE IT BACK,if it's faulty. I would be back at the store having them test the flashes and recievers/triggers right there,and then if it still did not work, GIVE IT BACK,not cry and make a video..
Nikon and Canon tried to kick out sigma and tamron of the 3rd party business. Sony did not because they needed a lot of lenses to catch up. Now where Sony has more than catched up they play the same a$$hole game to maximize profit with accessoares. Kind of copy protection. Defective my design.
I used to shoot events with canon 5d mk2 and mk3 with 560 ex ii flash powered with AA and never considered the batteries to be a problem. Easy to swap. Cheap to replace. And back then we 400 ISO was a max I would use. These days you can shoot at 1600 ISO and flash will last forever. I am actually researching flash for a fill only... After years of using Sony.
It‘s not Godox‘s or Westscott‘s fault. It is that awefull business practice of market leading manufacturers to kick out 3rd party support in a subtile way. It should look that original stuff works better, but it is an awefull behavior of Sony and Canikon.
Bueno, no entiendo ingles, pero pude mirar el video y lei casi todos los comentarios, gracias a los traductores. Agradezco a este video ya que despues de verlo y ver que no me funcionaba el TTL en mi Sony a7III, con un disparador XPRO II y un Godox V860III, me puse a revisar las configuraciones de camara y video, resulta que despues de hacer algunos cambios, el sistema funciono sin problema. los parametros que revise fueron: CAMARA -. activar en pestaña de parametos de flash (1-12), flash inalambrico. DISPARADOR -. TCM transform function: Seleccionar para el caso del godox, el icono del flash - Legacy hot shoe: off -. PC socket: in. Bueno todos esto lo hice como tambien actualice tanto, camara, flash y disparador con el ultimo firmware de cada uno. Por otro lado no olvide revisar que los pines no esten torcido y colocar el cabezal, con la mayor paciencia y ver que quede bien en la camar. Espero esto le pueda ayudar a alguien
Hola! De casualidad te pasa que al poner el flash en la cámara (Godox V860III) tienes que poner mucha presión para ajustarlo? se sintiera como si no encajara aunque es la versión para Sony con la misma zapata.
@@isabellopez7256 Hola bueas trades. SI en mi caso la zapata entra muy justa y siempre me toca ajustarla con cuidado, ya que parece que no fuera a encajar...
After watching, I got out my Godox V1S and attached it to my A7RV. I had no issues at all shooting in TTL mode. In fact, the photos looked MUCH better than any I took on my old A7III using the same flash and TTL. (This isn’t too surprising given that the A7RV is a vastly superior photographic camera, but I was initially concerned based off your video). The improved white balance and colors are also prominently on display using this camera and flash combo, provided you set the white balance to “Flash.”
Apparently, if you shoot wider than f4, the problem doesn't occur. I'm glad it's working for someone.
@@KarlMeyer I tested it at f2.8 and f5.6, on the Sony 24-70 GM II; both worked fine. I am only using TTL with the VS1 on camera. For off camera flash, I would never use TTL anyway. I much prefer to meter and set my flashes via the meter.
Settings from Page 4 in the A7RV purple Exposure/Color menu:
Flash Mode: Fill-flash
Flash Comp.: 0
Exp.comp.set: Ambient only
Wireless Flash: Off
Red Eye Reduction: Off
@@2010SLP Thanks for sharing. Just did some more testing. It defaults to 1/128 every time for me, sadly. It's definitely broken for anything shot at 2.8 or wider. Someone else left a great explanation as to why that is either a conspiracy theory or the truth. It sounds totally reasonable.
@@KarlMeyer have you changed the setting in your Godox wireless trigger menu from the 128 to 256. As it defaults to 128 out of the box.
@2010SLP Interested in getting an on camera flash..so do you recommend the Godox V1..currently using a Sony A74 and A7RV...I do events on occasion..so everything works fine in your experience?...some people have mentioned that BHPhoto are shipping the "updated" metal hot shoes instead of the old plastic ones..but I saw that BHphoto sells the replacement "metal hot shoe" for like $20?...thanks
What I have found is that my godox flashes and triggers were not keeping up with the 10fps. Sometimes, it wouldn’t even keep up with 5fps. I’ve photographed so many events where the flash did not fire, and some of the most amazing shots out of the bursts were the ones where that flash did not light up the subject. I tried my first Sony flash at the beginning of the year. It sucks that you need to use AA batteries, but when it comes to event work, I’m going to be sticking with Sony flashes. The quality as you mention is amazing and I like the fact that it communicates directly with the camera’s interface. White balance is usually perfect. Being able to control the flash with the cameras lcd is pretty amazing. To me it’s gonna save a bunch of time in post and quicker deliveries means I can get onto the next thing. I do agree, that if Sony is doing this on purpose with 3rd party flashes, hopefully they can fix it to allow us more affordable options, or give us lithium built-in batteries in the Sony flashes, and that would be great to. Either way great video. Thanks for the insight.
I had the same problem and the solution was to replace the flash foot. Sony is very picky with the flash contacts.
Do you recommend Hal 46 rm ?
Hi Karl,
Your video really hits home with me and I appreciate your making it. I just subscribed to your channel because of it!
I have been shooting professionally for about 16 years and 95% of my work is done with flash/strobes. I started with Nikon, went to Sony and now shoot Canon. One of the reasons I switched to Canon was because of the years of frustration I had with Sony's off camera flash situation.
Im far from a technical person but I have used Godox flashes with different Sony cameras and I can tell you that I have had many, many shoots ruined because my flashes would not fire, would not fire accurately and were the cause of additional stress during important jobs as I could not trust that it would work. Ive had to shoot with natural light because my flashes wouldn't work, re-schedule shoots and constantly worry about whether or not my flashes would malfunction instead of concentrating on my clients, compositions, poses, etc.
I believe one of the problems with the Sony system and off camera flash with Godox, Westcott and other 3rd party flashes is the Sony hot shoe design. If you look at Canon's and Nikon's hot shoe and then look at Sony's you can easily see the difference. The construction, design, stability, balance and protection of the components on the Sony system hot shoe is their Achilles Heal. Even putting the flashes in the hot shoe is challenging because you really never know if its in correctly or not. It may not work at all, breakdown during a shoot or it may work fine. Its kind of like driving a car you dont trust!
I sold my entire Sony system and went to Canon and for many reasons am much better off. Canon, for me, has been reliable, easy and comfortable to use and it performs better than any Ive used in the past. However, Im not saying this is a universal statement that applies to everyone. Im sure Sony products are excellent for many of their millions of users, but for me, not so much.
Thank you for letting me share my experience with you and your channel!
Great video and I look forward to your future content!
Best to you Karl! 😊
Yes! I started on Sony and thought it was me! I could never get TTL to work on on-camera flash, off camera, strobes, led strobe, nothing. I've had to use manual and it's just been frustrating. I bought a Sony HVL f28rm and all of a sudden it worked. Now with your input I'm very tempted to leave Sony.
@@VincenteArt Hi! Im not familiar with the HVLf28m, but hope it works well for you! I just had a lot of bad luck with Sony that was really costing me so I decided to switch to Canon about 2 years ago. Best of luck to you!
I have absolutely no issues using my Godox/ Flashpoint strobes, including my V1 on-camera and off-camera with wireless triggering in TTL on my Sony bodies and never did have any issues. I dont know what you are doing wrong, but it is something. FYI, I currently shoot with Sony A7RV, A1, A7SIII and they all work great in TTL with my Godox V1, Godox AD200Pro. AD300Pro, AD400Pro and AD600Pro strobes. I am a longtime International Award-winning pro and it all has to work for me and my varied clients, and it does. Something is wrong with your setup and/or gear. I dont use Wescott strobes , and I tried using Sony flashes, but wasn't impressed and they were way overpriced so I sold them, and have been completely happy with my Godox/Flashpoint gear. Cheers and best to you.
The Godox do not work in wireless TTL. Everyone who says they do are using aperture of f4 or more. At wide apertures of f2 or f1.4 Godox underexposes by about 3 stops. I've tried ad200 pro with both the xt2 and X3 triggers.
Interestingly it seems the dirt cheap Neewer Z2 does work in wireless TTL.
@@K9Weddings Then someone is lying..You replied to 6G to call him a liar? Who has proof? I saw some others saying they use the Sony flashes with no issues...
@@michaels8597Do you actually use Sony cameras with Godox flashes? I do and I have two camera bodies and two different flash triggers from Godox. The Godox flashes work great on camera. The issue is off camera TTL. It's not a case of calling anyone a liar. Everyone with this issue is merely pointing out that those that haven't experienced the issue must be using apertures like f4 to f22. Wider apertures start to see underexposure which gets worse the wider the aperture. I'm happy for anyone to upload a video to dispute the claims made in this video but merely replying they don't see an issue isn't evidence that there isn't a problem. Unless they actually try and replicate it by using a wide aperture they will never see the issue the rest of us are talking about.
@@K9Weddings You presented as much PROOF and the people who said they have no issues with the Sony flash. Your claim is just a claim as well. You ONLY presented YOUR anecdotal 'evidence', so if they say they DID have success and you say that's not true, you are calling them liars. YOU said they must be using certain apertures yet you do NOT KNOW that as a FACT. To answer your question when I had my Sony A series camera,I did use a Sony flash. Now I have smaller cameras from Sony and have NO flashes for them.
@michaels8597 I can certainly upload a video highlighting the issue but it would merely show exactly what others have reported already. I can't stress enough that I'm not calling people a liar, simply pointing out there is a reason why they don't see what others are seeing and that is the aperture chosen. I'd be delighted to be wrong if there was some camera or flash setting that would suddenly make off camera TTL work at apertures like f1.4 to f2.5 which is what I choose for 80% of my portrait images. I've even seen video comments saying the new Godox X3 trigger solves the issue but it doesn't. Please refer me to an actual video of someone showing the system working at these apertures. The only videos I can find are from people with the same issue. What surprised me was a video of various flashes that seemed to indicate that the Neewer Z2 didn't have the issue wirelessly which was a shock since the Neewer looks very similar to Godox but is even cheaper. If it's true then there is hope but having tested this with two different Sony bodies and two Godox triggers I'm confident in my claim that it doesn't work yet. There's a reason so many who use the Godox system with Sony do so in manual.
For the Westcott flash you need to have the sony adapter on your camera hotshoe first before you can put the flash on camera. Make sure your transmitters/flashes are all updated to the latest firmware for compatibility with the latest sony camera bodies
So this video was made 1 year ago. Has Sony fixed this issue for the A7R5 ? And what flash would you recommend for this camera ?
I got a full Godox kit for my A1. V1 Pro, A,100 X3. For some of my use like low light event, off-camera TTL that works reasonably well is a necessity. After trying, i figured out that Godox can completely not do this. I found a used HVL-F28RM and HVL-F60RM and bought these. Woho! These flashes are just awesome, and great how they integrate with the camera. Flash photography got fun again! The AA batteries feels quite ancient though, but it works. And seems due to the good integration with the camera body they somehow get efficient, and even the F28RM can do quite some 20 pictures per second bursts. Then small things like not having to turn on or off the flash, the camera control that. Possibility to assign buttons on camera to control TTL flash compensation. No need to set high speed sync, it happens automatically. Ability to do 1/50000 sec shutter speeds and the flash handles that with no issues (a bit theoretical use case...).
Hi Karl, Great Video, I have been smiling at your tests as I have done them myself and found the exact same issues. Godox, Pixapro, Wescott speedlights all come out of the same factory and they just knock them out. However.. off camera they work very well in manual but absolutely suck in TTL. Why!!! Its just a guess but the cheap triggers are to blame, they work have to calculate the flash power then send that info to the speedlight and I don't believe the tech inside them is up to scratch maybe there just junk, combine that with all the different manufactures of cameras Boom you have a problem so I believe they turn a blind eye to these issues . The triggers are just very poor and the hotshots are just pathetic thats by they break so often. SO! I have the new Sony F60RM2 which like you said works very well and I totally agree, The hot shoe connection has far more communications going on hence why cheap triggers are useless at TTL. I current work as an events and wedding photographer and I kick the shite out of my Sony speed lights and they work superbly, so I forgive the AA and the screen which maybe old tech but it does not bother me what so ever. Sony does its job, The rotational head for press shots is amazing too. Before I sign off, I also use Profoto A1s and agin the TTL is unbeatable and very consistent, buy hey they come at a price. The triggers are also expensive. That must confirm what I have said above, cheap triggers just suck at TTL. I may be wrong but thats what I have found. Godox are great in manual and perfect for off camera use, if they get smashed its not so painful.
I have a sony a6300 and was going to buy the sony a7iv. I've got the FJ80 II (not the S) but I have the adapter for sony cameras. When I put the flash on my camera it'll flash one time, and then never again. I've practice this multiple times, and each time it'll flash for me once when I press the shutter, and then cease to fire. Thank you for this video, it has changed my mind on purchasing another sony camera. I love sony, and westcott, but I love ease of use even more!
I also struggle with problems like sometimes flash works and then it’s not, like some roulette, about your luck 😅 if you move flash forward back left right you can find positions where it’s work, and then it’s stop, like have bad connection, and for years i thought problem in godox hot shoe I changed maybe 10 times for 1 years. But to the end it’s because black color on smart shoe of Sony. I just clean it off completely with polishing pen and connection became stable. I use Sony a7iii
First let me say thank you for sharing, I have two Sony F60RM2 and the Sony controller. I also have two Westcott FJ802 and the controller with two FJ200. I'm not having any of these issues in TTL or with HSS on as well but I will say i'm using the Sony A1 so i'm not sure what difference that might make but i'm getting the same exposure from both systems. In-fact besides the white balance correction from the Sony they look exactly the same. Hope it works out for you because I do understand what it feels like to spend a lot of money on a product and it not work properly. Good luck, nice video.
I haven't had a problem with the off camera godox and TTL + A7IV. I'll test it again at some point and get back to you with what my setting
So it is only an issue with A7RV?
@@Battlem0nk it’s not an issue with the A7RV. Just tested it.
@@2010SLP Have you tried off-camera TTL shooting wide open. For example F/1.4
I’ve just tested this with A7IV and Godox V1 and found no issues at all after repeated tests.
I tried this with my A7IV TTL, Godox, V860, with trigger, and without the trigger, and I have also not had a problem as well.
I have no issues with the Godox setup I use even if I use f1.8 which is my widest aperture I own.
The X2T-S together with the XR1-S works perfectly fine with the older Sony HVL-F60, HVL-F20 and HVL-F43 and you get a much better high sync speed of 1/8000 if needed.
The next flash I’ll purchase is the Godox AD200pro for outdoors and I don’t’ expect any issues at all.
It is very sad that your “wrong” information’s in this video my cause some Sony A7R5 interested people not to go for it , even it is one of the best camera on the market today.
I have issues with TTL only when its wireless with both my V1S and AD200Pro on my A7 III
@@RaniJoensen I discovered that if the flash is set to HSS then the exposure compensation hast to be used up to +3 . In normal TTL everything works well.
@@duffy2512 Cool that's a good tip, going to check if that solves it.
So you "discovered" what was clearly stated in the video, many times
Good to hear that others have same problems with Sony and TTL-metering. It's protectionism, but in wrong place because Godox is a very innovative flash manufacturer that flash users cannot pass by without considering it as a cost effective way to have flash system from handhelds to mobile powerpacked studio stuff.
I found this video because I recently switched to Sony from Nikon and quickly noticed this issue. I have the new A7RV. Thankfully, for my work I only need TTL for the on camera flash, my off camera flashes are almost always on manual. So as long as the Godox TTL works on camera I should be ok, but I hope Sony or Godox can fix this issue. So you are correct this is an issue.
I use a A7cii, X3-s (firmware 1.15), and Godox V1s (firmware 1.8) and have issues with wireless TTL underexposing (+3 compensation wasn't enough).
Found a hacky solution after playing around:
Holding down the lens "Focus Hold" button in AF-C while releasing the shutter somehow fixed TTL's exposure. Can someone else confirm this works for them?
After finding out the "Focus hold" button solves the issue, I tried switching between different focusing mode (AF-S, AF-C, AF-A) ,focus area (Wide, spot, zone etc), metering modes, and metering linked to focus point (on/off) but none of these combo work. Only the focus hold button fixes the issue.
Hi Karl, my Sony A7M4 does the same on wireless ttl as you described it in your video. My Sony A1 does not. It works perfectly on wireless ttl with godox. I used the xproII transmitter and a ad300pro flash with recent firmware. That is really wired ......
Thank you! You out it togethr for me. I have Godox and Wescott on camera and off camera flash, and I have to use manual all the time. Then i bought the HVL F28RM and it just works. Which was exciting. About to buy a used HVL F60RM but decided to do some research and came across your video. Its so hard to find an all around good camera. Sony has been perfect for me and my work flow with the best hybrid photo/video switching there is, and the glass is great. But I want to elevate my craft and use flash.
I haven't tried shooting TTL with my A7RV and Godox AD200Pro. But, I did use it this weekend but I set the Godox set to TTL (not the A7RV) and didn't have any issues but now I want to try it the way you are.
Round head vs square head shouldn’t really make a difference but it would to the catch light in someone’s eye
Now this is why i've had problems using rear sync. Was disappointed during a party shoot that i couldnt use the rear sync on the A7IV with the 3rd party flash i used with no problems with the A7III.
SO WHAT FLASH WORKS FOR SONY A7SIII??
My Westcott FJ 400 is perfect TTL is good, although I use manual. I use the Sony a7 iv.
Glad I kept my A7C (old menu) for Photos. My A7S3 for video.
This is exactly the problem I have had using the XPro S & XPro II S with my A7iv and A7Riv bodies. All images are underexposed by several stops, and it's inconsistent so compensation doesn't work. If I put a V1 on camera, TTL works as it should. I owned the XPro F for my Fuji, and TTL off camera works as it should. This seems to be a problem with Sony cameras only. I reached out to Godox, but they never replied to me. The support has been really disappointing.
do it without the softbox and take care that zoom mode is identical on each flash and that the head is equally inside the softbox! The difference is most probably the characteristic rectangular vs. round in the softbox as the rectangular is more directly.
your answer would make sense if the flashes were in manual mode. in TTL mode the flash power is expected to compensate those different factors that you've mentioned automatically
I don't find it that surprising that a third-party flash system does not operate perfectly with a particular camera. Autofocus with third-party lenses also don't work as well as camera manufacturer lenses. I tried out various Godox portable flash units because my studio flashes are all Godox. I can say for sure the Godox units are not as powerful as the Sony ones. The V1 is about a stop less powerful than the Sony HV60. Also, the Godox AD 200 puts out one-stop more light than the Godox AD400. That is because the AD200 has a different type of flashhead (fresnel). But I bet there are a lot of people who buy the higher-watt second flash thinking they are getting more. So, I went with the Sony flash system...more powerful, less lag time, better built, metal shoe. You get what you pay for in this case IMHO
Not sure what he's talking about.
My flashes work perfectly. Just have to make sure the electronic shutter isn't on
Same here with a bit different gear. Still I hope I'll find a solution for this issue or a bug fix will come out. 🙏
Using Sony a7m3 with a Sigma lens adapter for Canon EF lenses (so not using native Sony lenses currently) and Godox AD400pro & 600pro wireless studio flashes. I fire the camera and a lot of times (but in a small percentage this does NOT happen 🥶) there's a sync issue with this setup, causing a time gap (1-1,5 sec) that means I press the shutter button and the camera "waits" about 1 sec to shoot. Imagine this while taking portraits. I got used to this but still cannot believe this. I like using Sony for its quality but it's so crazy to experience such a bug in a not cheap system. Experienced the same with Mark IV at work. Never experienced anything like this with Canon. 🤨🥶
Thanks for addressing the issue. I have tried yesterday on my A7IV off camera Godox V1with X2 transmitter and TTL is underexposed a lot. Works fine on the camera. I never had an issue with this set up with my old A7R2. I have updated firmware on my godox and the camera but no luck. So now Im stranded with 3 godox flashes (Ad200pro, V1 and 860iii) I cannot use with my new camera :(
Hi! I just bought a Godox flash for my A7IV too (860iii), but it feels like I have to put a lot of pressure in order to attach it and detach it form my camera. Did this happen to you too?
godox xpro 2 has now a metal socket and rotative closing system as well as V1S has both features too.
Thank you so much for this video. I thought it must be my fault: The settings are complex, and I still do not know what each setting does. I thought TTL must be something for beginners as you get to at least a useful exposure somehow. I did lots of tests but did not get it to work with my A7iii as expected. Sometimes I get usable exposure with +3 stops flash compensation. Most of the time it is too dark. And sometimes it does not adjust when I e.g. open the aperture and overexposes the images so that it is completely unusable. This especially happens when the camera is in manual mode. In other automatic modes it correctly exposes the image, but it is not doing what I want (e.g. sets the ISO super high). I ended up working in manual mode (M) on camera and setting the flash power manually. This is the only reliable method, but it requires some test shots. On conferences or events, you need to be quick and do not always have the chance to take test shots. It is so annoying when you miss a moment because you are just too slow with the manual settings. I really wish I would have a reliable TTL option.
I have problem with godox ad200pro with WB tend to Yellow too much with off camera after if I don't need off camera I use sony flash is better choice
Weird, I'm getting perfect exposures using TTL with my Godox TT685 and X1 trigger on my A1. I haven't used this flash for years but figured I'd try it out.
A little late to the party but commercially I always shoot manual. Far more reliable but not for the point and shooters.
I heard that Sony flash with some A is best option, I always using godox but only in manual mode because TTL is very terrible and such disappointing 🤦♂️ really thinking to buy something from Sony line. But I need also transmitter because I’m nightclub photographer and most of the time I using flash out of camera with softbox. Maybe someone with really experience can recommend best option.
With the godox v1 you can buy hte akr1 modifier kit, and you get the diffuser, reflector and much more
One thing that I want to add:
You turn around the bug statement. It is not a Sony bug as all the other old Sony Flash and Godox are working perfectly well.
The other manufactures of addons have to adapt their firmware to work proper with the camera that they are attached to.
It would be the same if you have older car rims for you car that doesn’t fit, you blame the car manufacturer to change their setup due to an assembly design error ! A little weird.
In one thing I agree with you, you shouldn’t have made this video.
Confirming. Latest A7S3 and Godox Xpro2 and V1S firmware upgrades - the issues is still there. TTL works fine while V1 on camera and fails when using transmitter.
On the V1S they make a metal hot shoe version now (hard to find)
I ordered a metal hot shoe replacement and it’s amazing i break the plastic Godox hot shoes so often and they’re hard to slot in. The metal ones no issues so far
That's good to know
only the plate is metal. It's still plastic in the inside, so if you drop your flash on a tripod or something similar, it's broken.
@@sulev111 regardless these metal hot shoes have yet to break on me yet simply due to less friction when inserting and taking off.
The plastic ones break on my monthly
@@koolaidpapi7674 apples n oranges :P I use my flashes mostly on tripods. There the metal plate makes 0 difference. Godox needs to improve their build quality.
Hello
I don’t know about you, but I use Godox flashes and Sony cameras and the photos look flat and not beautiful. As soon as I changed Sony to Canon with the same settings, the same conditions and photos look fantastic.
Surely it is up to Godox et al to make their flashes compatible with the Sony protocol? I think your criticism is misdirected, especially as the Sony flashes work so beautifully. This video is just silly and naïve. "Wireless TTL does not work on the new Sony cameras" - that is just utter BS. It works brilliantly, if you use the correct equipment.
The problem of course is that Sony keep their flash communication protocol private, just like their autofocus algorithm.
@@KarlMeyer As do Canon, Nikon, Panasonic et al. Sony's is just harder to figure out. These protocols are not public, nor licensed. I too, was frustrated that I could not use all the features of the wonderful Godox V860III S (S for Sony!) on my Sony A1, but the blame lies with Godox, not Sony. (As much as I dislike Sony for other reasons)
I agree fully.
So you're saying it's ok to get fleeced by sony for flashes. Good for you
Very annoying that Godox TTL doesn't work wirelessly. I'm hearing that the Neewer Z2 does work in TTL even wirelessly.
Not used a flash in 20 years. Put a Godex in an umbrella. Added trigger to A7rv. Worked fine in manual and TTL mode. Panicked about nothing. Hmmm.
It's bad... I have a problem with the 3rd party Sony ecosystem big time as well. You can't even get the IR focus beam to work on the a7IV with some transmitters aad the fact the Sony doesn't even have an AF beam on their trigger kills me! I work a lot of low-light events and not getting focus while working off camera is just dumb! I have been using a Elinchrom Transmitter pro for some Rotolights and came to find out that it won't fire the AF beam on the a7IV camera. I am almost convinced I should go back to my a7III, just so things work again, plus, I hate the fold out screen versus the tilt screen, since it blocks the ports when I'm using them and need to use the fold out screen... So many bad choices made with the a7IV. So many. I love my Sony flashes, but the system could really use an overhaul and the HVL-F60RM2 is not even an upgrade! The LED beam was removed? WHAT?! That was a feature and it's somehow more expensive than the last generation still?! Why is Sony so good with what it gives consumers inside the cameras, but so bad with their peripherals and compatibility besides? The Sony interface hot shoe is the other issue... I've replaced about 3 hot shoes on my Sony flashes alone and another on the Flashpoint./Godox Thank you for saying something! TH-cam is desolate wasteland when it comes to videos talking about the Sony flash system. More videos need to be made so Sony feels the pressure!
"I'll be inside while it's raining" ... "Hopefully you'll never see me again" lmao 🤣
Are you using the hotshoe adapter for Sony it comes in the Westcott box, checa this out, I love Wescott cost a little bit more than the Godox and is better or good as a Profoto for a third of the Profoto price.
Dear Karl, Thank you so much for this video. You have found the one combination that seems to work: Sony HVLF60M plus Sony FA-WRC1M Wireless Radio Commander. Just for reader information I was able to order both of these reused for a total of $300 from eBay. At about 7% of the cost of A7rV this cost is reasonable. When they arrive, I will let you know if they actually work. In the meantime I am putting all of my various non working TTL flashes in a storage box, to be used potentially as remote flashes when needed, providing the Sony Radio commander can trigger them. I have Nissin, Godex, Flashpoint, and various older Sony flashes that don't work for TTL on A7rV.
Question.......So I see that the Godox is communicating and it technically works but does not work properly (out of the box) can you explain what exactly the problem is, for example what is it not doing properly that is causing the improper exposure? Have you called Godox and asked them?
Karl Meyer & other saying about AA (14:13). You can buy ATG/Quantum/Nissin battery pack and connect it to flash.
You should really stay away from Li-ion battery for speedlites. They are expensive & use or no use they will go bad.
ATG used to support Jinbei/Orlit/Rollei/Westcott but departed over to become ATG/Godox.
So much problems & no supports at all from Jinbei for USA. That Adorama and B&H no longer support them.
Tested Sony A1 & A1 II: Jinbei & Rollei & Westcott are not supported. You don't buy TTL features and use it in manual modes.
As a matter of fact one can use ATG's Quantum QFlash T2 and get better results than using wireless radio TTL.
my A9 with the old menu still has this problem, not as bad. As others have said it goes away above f4. I have godox, they are ok especially with you factor in the cost. Love the batteries on V1 which last forever. I was hoping the new controller would fix this problem but it does not. Also it has the old rubbish plastic foot not the newer metals ones you can get for the flash. Have you tried profoto ?
Hi, can I use a Sony flash on my Canon camera, even only in manual mode? Or it’s just impossible? Do I need any adaptor?
Great video Karl. I had horrible experience with Godox this weekend. Speed lights were undersexposing with ttl, on both A7iii and A7R v. At some point during the ceremony they decide to blow at kind of full power and overexpose everything by a lot. Same happened with AD200 and 400. So bad.... I was thinking about westcott, but after your video I'm definitely considering jumping to profoto, no matter the price. Any experience with profoto??
Hi! I'm working as a photography assistant and ever since we've changed to profoto, there is no looking back. Literally the absolute BEST in flash and better than you can imagine.
Profoto A1x performs similarly to the other off brands. Sometimes it nails exposure, other times it misses or just doesn't fire. It's frustrating so I just went to manual mode for my shoot two days ago. I am considering the smaller (not so expensive) Sony flashes exclusively for event work as I just need them to function properly so I don't miss these moments.
Did you try switching the wireless flash off in the camera menu? I just switched it off, and it seems to work, at least indoors. It was not working properly before I switched it off. I will test it again outdoors tomorrow. I have an ad200-pro, X2t-s, and A7c
ahh !!! it worked for me on A6700 .... thnx
Im using a sony a6100 in my room. The camera doesnt adapt for the flash. Im using 1/250 at 2.8 and iso us 6400 for with or without flash its just a brighter photo.
just tried x3 (or as it was called before x-nano) with a6500 - same issue, so I'm not sure it is just these new menu models, looks like it doesn't work with all Sony bodies
TTL doesn't work, with my a7rv with godox ad200 with trigger not working, 😢😢 pls suggest what I do, some time works after one or two shot, not workes
Oh oh! I just ordered a Godex V1 Pro for my R7V. Currently there is no Sony flash units or triggers available in the time frame I need them. Any updates on this issue?
Hi Karl, great video, it illustrates the problem with third party gear and future proofing. I had the same problem with an old sigma lens over generations of canon cameras, years ago. It shows that the third party manufacturers cant keep up with the development of the main brand. This is why i only by native lenses, unless im ready to take the risk. Hopefully godox and the others will adapt to the new sonys, but it will probably mean a new investment.😢
i purchased godox V1S pro with subflash and miss all my on-camera ttl pictures. I used HVL-F60rm2 and all same pictures are perfect. strange but does it confirm that the sony flash communicates with camera for focus mode, exposure,... ?
I wonder if this is the same problem that wes perry made mention of.
I would turn on/off camera everytime switching between different systems
Karl have heard of Sony fixing the TTL problem
So, I just bought a Sony a7rii, because they've gotten much less expensive. Now, I want to do some HSS outdoor portraits using my Westcott fj-400 and the fj-X2m and it will not do HSS. I had to turn off several settings in the camera, update firmware on all westcott equipment and still no HSS for the Sony. All my old Canon cameras will do HSS with my fj-400 but that is what I bought the Sony to do. It is June 2024 and you'd think any issues with the a7rii would have been debugged by now. Anyone else have this issue?
Question......Have you called Godox to ask them if they know this is an issue, and if so what did they say?
There was a recent firmware update for the FJ80II, I have similar issues with my FJ80 it always seems under exposed.
Man thanks for that video, I literally stop shoot a night for that reason !!!! any updates now ??
Still buggered as far as I know
sony transmitter cost more , not less than the godox flash plus trigger, just a small mistake...otherwise great video, subscribed to your channel
is possible to have a link of that transmitter, i can't find it anywhere
hello, very good video. One question: I have a Sony a7siii and I wanted to buy the godox V860iii s flash to put it on the camera and practice. I will not have any problem with the TTL ? Thanks
Whats the Softbox brand/model? Appreciate the video. Im new to flash and in the market for one. I came across the GoDox brand, but i may just spend the 💰 for Sony… 🤦🏽♂️🤷🏽♂️
Mate, use manual mode if you want to master the flash.
this is a strange advice. M mode is perfectly fine when you have placed you flash on a stand and 've done a number of test shots. Now imagine you run around a venue during an event and its main goal has nothing to do with photos, people are there for a different reason. It is you who needs those photographs, not them. So you have to move around and adapt. Using M mode in this scenario is somewhat doable, but a working TTL mode would make your work so much easier...
Has there been an update to the TTL issue with the sony A7RV as i am looking to get it but want to be able to do off camera flash photography. I also see that the flash sync speed is 250 of a second. how good the A7RV for flash photography?
Hi, I have a Sony A7IV that by putting a Godox X2T-S trigger and using a Godox AD400 PRO Flash, manually and in HSS works very well, but if I put the trigger in TTL and excluding HSS from the trigger and SU AD400 PRO in TTL without HSS doesn't work, in the sense that in TTL the Sony A7IV should lock the safety time at 1/250 and it doesn't, if I turn the time wheel it goes to 1/320 - up to 1/8000 so it's not possible to use the Sony A7IV in TTL with Trigger and AD 400PRO, I don't have Sony Flash only Godox AD400 PRO. Godox V1-C but it's canon and Godox 865 again for Canon and then I have a Canon 600ex-rt ii that I use on the Canon 5d Mark IV... Is there a mode or setting on the Sony A7IV that freezes time at 1/ 250 so that the Flash adjusts the power of the Flash based on the aperture?
From my point of view no matter the manufacture the commander units are all shitty since the mirrorless cameras took over the market, because they didn't give them a front facing AF Assist light - especially for people that have to shoot people in low light. An Old Nikon SU-800 from 2005 can provide a sharp image even though there is no light at all on target. Build in AF Assist light sucks on all cameras > blocked by a big lense.
This Video, may help on Godox think about developing a flash with touch screen,...maybe improve ttl on wireless, that to be sincerely, I do not care,....at all, because I always, always, use M when OFC, yes I to use ttl when it is pop it on the camera, and I think Godox knows most of people work on that way...
Great video thank you for that, I was wondering about this .
What is the light box setup you are using ?
I wish I had cut more fat off this video, but thank you. I’ve got a light dome ii on me, an Aputure lantern for raising the rooms ambient light and an Aputure 2ft tube light behind me. I use an Aputure light dome mini ii for the flashes. Cheers.
@@KarlMeyer thanks Karl ! And can you tell me what attachment you use to hold the circular speed lights ? I personally use the Godox also
@@richarddunphy1990 I used the Godox S2 as well. It was pretty great, actually. I was surprised.
@@KarlMeyer yes , that’s what I thought - I’ve been pleasantly surprised myself , my ex even dropped my flash in the ocean and i through it in some rice and it still worked 😅☀️
Hi, does something has changed since the latest firmware updates (both camera, particulary A7IV and Godox)?
And, what about the Godox transmitter? Is it damaging the A7IV hot shoe or is it just mounts tough?
Thanks!
Hello, I have a godox flash for sony, but when I put my camera in manual mode (sonny at 7 iV), the camera disables the flash. the same happens when putting the radio. while the camera is on the AUTO dial, the flash works normally (radio or flash) but switching to any other option (A, S, P, or M) immediately disables the flash function, just as if disabling the hot shoe. do you know what i can do?
Turn off the electronic shutter and it will work.
Do the Godox and Westcott flashes work perfectly fine when using manual mode?
Yes
I had the same problem and found your video. I am checking with sony a1 and godox xpro-s, v1, v860 II.
As soon as I switch from the speedlight attached to the camera to the wireless remote flash, the TTL result is about 2 stops darker (I also felt that the more defusion I attach the greater the attenuation, the darker it gets.) I used the TCM function to see the flash output of the TTL and for some reason it is more than a 1/4 flash. It also seemed to me that it did not increase the amount of light emitted. I switched to the old GODOX Commander X1T-s and the image seemed to be a little darker, though a little better.
I have a slight hunch that it may be a problem with the commander. Is your commander X-PRO-s?
After trying various things after my earlier post, I found out that if you use the FEL, a feature that can be registered on a custom button, and press the register flash button once in advance to lock the exposure with the flash, and then take a flash shot, you can use the proper X-PRO or the exposure compensation in the camera menu. Even if you set it to plus or minus 0, you will still get the proper exposure. This means that the exposure data from the pre-flash when the Commander is attached is not completely transmitted to the flash side due to some problem in the case of normal issuance without FEL.
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This was some good and interesting comments. I have done some experimentation with assigning FEL toggle to a button. Use that to take flash measurement for each new situation. Not too conclusive testing yet, but looks promising.
I have the problem described in the video and the FEL solution makes things much easier. Thanks.
Sony is Apple in the photography & movie world….
WHAT TO FIX???? SONY MADE THAT ONLY SONY FLASH WORKS... THEY DID IT INTENTIONALLY.
Confirmed wireless TTL broken with SONY A7III, FE 1.4/24 GM, Godox X2T (v1.4), Godox V1S (v1.8). Tested at F1.4 and F5.0.
did u try turning wireless off. keey updated for a fix please.
I would say its Godox problem. Godox wants to eat sonys pie, he shd fix the problem, not sony
I thought I was a bad photographer due to this problem. But I was doing the math right all the time.
nice work on this video BTW~!~ question, what is the resolution or settings your using to record this video, and why it looks so wide ?
I used an aspect ration of 2:1 instead of 16:9 meaning my video timeline & export was 3840x1920
Hey guys, quick question!
I got one a7iii and bought with it the Sony HVL-f46rm flash and I can't sync/connect it with my Godox xproS(trigger) that I just buyed. Is that right? OR I really need a sony trigger only for that porpuse?
Thank you!
The godox trigger talks to godox flashes and godox receivers. Your Sony flash has a Sony receiver in it to talk to Sony transmitters.
I have the same issues as this with the A7 III (has the old sony menu) with the godox AD200 Pro and V1S. I was looking for a fix..
did u find a fix? was gonna get this exact setup with a x2T
My Hvl20 do not sync with my A7R.... It used to, with Sony lenses. Vintage lenses... no sync...
no problems at all with my profoto flashes
Sony’s TTL is best of to business. Minolta is first one to have TTL and Sony buy to Minolta.
Godox V1 S for Sony does not expose well in TTL, I have had 2 and 3 units of this flash and it is a serious problem, so good when you shoot a lot of shots, one fails, it does not shoot and the color temperature changes, it is not only my problem, there are more people with these problems I used it at a wedding and it was fatal as I commented on a youtuber who is from Olympus exposing the same problem and in the end he agreed with me at a wedding he gave null shots and when the flash heats up it changes the white balance now I make another video that will no longer use it, in the end I comment that it is worth paying more and have something reliable I am talking about weddings as a professional photographer and bought a profoto, if it costs more but you do not risk it on yourself worked.
I have had this flash at Olympus, at Sony and at Nikon and I would not risk it professionally, there are many more people with these problems apart from the broken shoe, now they are starting to remove a metal shoe but there are still these problems with the.
In the end, cheap is 2 times more expensive.
Regards
Boycot Sony!
Just use AA Lithium.
Ok,here is MY issue...If I spent my money I would take all the gear and USE IT inside a studio and outside, within the 14 days or so, then TAKE IT BACK,if it's faulty. I would be back at the store having them test the flashes and recievers/triggers right there,and then if it still did not work, GIVE IT BACK,not cry and make a video..
Nikon and Canon tried to kick out sigma and tamron of the 3rd party business. Sony did not because they needed a lot of lenses to catch up.
Now where Sony has more than catched up they play the same a$$hole game to maximize profit with accessoares. Kind of copy protection. Defective my design.
I used to shoot events with canon 5d mk2 and mk3 with 560 ex ii flash powered with AA and never considered the batteries to be a problem. Easy to swap. Cheap to replace.
And back then we 400 ISO was a max I would use. These days you can shoot at 1600 ISO and flash will last forever. I am actually researching flash for a fill only... After years of using Sony.
7:25 "Costs MORE!!!!"
It‘s not Godox‘s or Westscott‘s fault. It is that awefull business practice of market leading manufacturers to kick out 3rd party support in a subtile way. It should look that original stuff works better, but it is an awefull behavior of Sony and Canikon.
I hope Godox will reverse engineer the new hatefull sony protocol and adress it with new firmware.