You really MUST see more Scorsese films. Please see Alice Doesn't Live Here Anymore, Mean Streets, The King of Comedy, After Hours, The Last Temptation of Christ, The Age of Innocence, Kundun, Bringing Out the Dead, Hugo, and Silence. There is nothing overrated about Scorsese. Or Kubrick, either. Many other filmmakers that could make an 'overrated' list before those two should ever even be considered.
By the way, there would be no 'Sopranos' without 'Goodfellas". I guess you had to be there. And you aren't SUPPOSED to connect with the characters in 'Goodfellas'. You are merely an observer. It's an anthropological study of a particular people in a particular time and place.
Lolol I was in shock hearing that. To me he's the greatest filmmaker of all time and it's not really close. And I've never heard him described as an extremely deep filmmaker. Also Goodfellas is the only perfect film I've ever seen.
Why do you seem so offended by her comments. It's subjective. Overrated doesn't mean that person isnt a good or even great director. E.g. I could think my favorite/best director is overrated by others, it just means that no one's perfect and others are making them out as flawless. I agree with her on Scorsese, even though Goodfellas & were my fav 20 years ago. But I appreciate his other films more and moved on to others like Bergman, Fellini, tarkovsky etc
Kubrick was “thoughtless”? One might find him emotionally distant and quite cold, but he was clearly extremely intelligent both as a person and as a filmmaker.
I mean Full Metal Jacket, A Clockwork Orange and the Shining are imo some of his best work and all come after 2001. Those films were so meticulously put together that thoughtless isn't a word anyone could use to decsribe Kubrick at that time in his film making. Now Eyes Wide Shut does feel like a movie from a lesser director.
Christopher Nolan is, at least for me, my vote as far as modern directors go. Very few of his films have resonated with me, and while I will say he’s not a bad filmmaker/director, to put him on the same level (if not higher) as people like Kubrick, Hitchcock, and Scorsese is baffling, at least to me (and I know quite a few people who do). I also really used to hype up Darren Aronofsky’s films, and while I still really enjoy “The Wrestler” (maybe it’s because it feels like Aronofsky’s least Aronofsky-ish film to me? Maybe it’s because it feels like more of a Mickey Rourke-vehicle [and I LOVE me some Mickey Rourke. I think he, along with Nicolas Cage, is an actor who doesn’t get the appreciation he deserves]?), the more I look back on the rest of Aronofsky’s films, the less I am impressed. Coming up blank on classic film directors, but those are my top two modern picks.
The Dark Knight is one of the most overrated films ever. Sure Heath Ledger is fantastic but Christian Bale is terrible as Batman. And it’s got one of the worst sound mixes ever. Same with Tenet. Is Nolan deaf?
I also hated how much Nolan urgently needed to push his own opinions, statements and ideas unrelated to the plot into the movie, into the mouth of characters. If he wanted to tell his statement on Occupy Wallstreet or on socialism and other political topics, he could have written a book or a made a movie on that topic. Also comicbook remake without comicbook stylization, and gothicpunk without gothicpunk, Batman mostly during a day, with a postmodern moral relativization sh*t, geez that was a pile of crap.
I agree. I'm not familiar with any of his movies, but I think the only way someone can still be overrated when their work is divisive with general viewers and critics/students of film alike is if he's worse than even most people already think. I suppose it's possible, but I don't think that's the meaning that was intended.
Watching DFL talking about overrated directors... Interrupted by Master Class ad: Ron Howard -- "There is one thing you have to understand about directing. Ultimately there's going to be one project that breaks your heart.""
@@markusbisma5015 I think some people confuse overrated to mean "everyone loves them, but I don't like them for my own subjective reasons," instead of "someone who gets more credit than they actually deserve/has flaws that often get overlooked."
Kubrick gets hate because hes a technically amazing filmmaker that has characters who are cold or lacking in depth sometimes. Thats not neccessarly a bad thing its just a fact. I think Paul Thomas Anderson is the modern day Kubrick technically brilliant but has distant characters.
These things are so subjective, naturally, but I'd put Barry Lyndon just ahead of EWS. And I say this as someone who adores EWS and watches it obsessively.
The ending of 2001 is so pretentiously stupid, it doesn't give any real philosophical or pragmatic idea, just giant space baby! In a list of movies with bad endings it's one of the worst.
No Tarantino? Goddd he can get annoying sometimes. I think it was Mark Kermode who described him as someone who really wants to show you his record collection and won’t shut up about it. Yes Quentin we get it you’ve seen everything. Pulp Fiction and Reservoir Dogs are obviously stone cold classics (I’ve never seen Jackie Browne which I know many people consider to be his best) and I enjoyed Once Upon.. quite a bit, I just think he’s easily prone to self-indulgence and overly-long bloated stories. It’s like he himself has bought in to the cult of Tarantino and just does whatever the fuck he wants because he knows his fans will lap it up. This isn’t true with all his movies it just seems like his ego gets in the way sometimes
It depends on what your looking for, the only 2 films i love are pulp fiction and reservoir dogs, im more of a plot structure person than anything else
@@connorveach5986 Uh WTF! That's exactly what I was talking about. Movies! On the other hand you seem to be talking more about Tarantino's interviews and fans which you may find sooooo 'annoying" but are they not the movies themselves. It seems your ego gets in the way sometimes...and unfortunately you've accomplished nothing to even warrant having an ego.
@@saintsataniko2116 “overly long bloated stories” I believe was the specific criticism I had, but ok. I just think his movies can almost always be slimmed down for the better - with some exceptions, like I said. And I can enjoy his movies and still think he’s overrated. Why should that bother you so much? It’s just, like, my opinion man
@@saintsataniko2116 movies, tho, Satanika, movies. Keep remembering. Talking about entertainment here . Art is not worth getting so worked up about if you’re gonna be a jerk about it
Your videos always take me so long to get through because I pause so much to reflect on what you’re saying and how I’d respond. I wind up getting in these long conversations with myself about the subject that take me into some random places, but that’s what I love about your channel. I only found this channel like a couple of months ago and it’s been a real joy. Peace and love to you and I look forward to your future videos.
Gaspar noe relies so heavily on shock factor. He would be decent without it but they ruin his films. “Oh it shows a graphic rape scene so he must be experimental and ingenious.”
I just found your channel today and you are a breath of fresh air! I love film and film history. But when I mention directors like Godard, Bresson, Parajanov, Tarkovsky, Park Chan Wook, Kurosowa, etc etc Nobody knows who I'm talking about even though they claim to be film lovers just because they've seen every Tarantino and Nolan film. A lot of people think films by the ones I listed are esoteric or pretentious but they just don't get it. I subscribed to your channel. I can't wait for future videos.
First how do you come to know directors like this? and Second how do you watch films by them? I like stuff that has esoteric meaning so can you suggest a movie by these directors to watch as a beginner dabbling into the more obscure?
@@beebeeramone4641 Absolutely! A good way to start is to check out sight and sounds top 250. Regular movie goers go by IMDb top 250 but their crap! Gladiator, inception, Dark knight!? Absolute crap! So I’d recommend watching some French new wave and Italian neo realism first to get into foreign films. Some great French films are Breathless, Vivre Sae Vie, Band of Outsiders, Murmur of The Heart, Le Samurai, Mr Klein, A Man Escaped, Last Year In Marienbad, The Rules of The Game etc Some great Italian films are: Investigation of A Citizen Above Suspicion, Rome Open City, Paisan, La Strada, Amacord, Accatone, Teorema, Two Woman, Bitter Rice, Nights of Cabria, Once Upon A Time In The West, For A Few Dollars More, Gomorrah, Fists In The Pocket etc Some great Russian films are Ivan’s Childhood, The Color Of Pomegranate's, The Ascent, Mirror, Come and See. Most Hollywood films are fluff. Just lazy, unoriginal and predictable. But some great American films are All That Jazz, Eraserhead, Blue Velvet, The Friends of Eddie Coyle, Taxi Driver, Mean Streets, Trouble In Paradise, To Be Or Not To Be, The Last Picture Show, 3 Woman, The Sting, HUD etc. The directors I’d keep an eye out for are David Lynch, Bob Fosse, Scorsese, Andrei Tarkovsky, Robert Bresson, Pier Palo Pasolini, Ingmar Bergman, Orson Welles, Federico Fellini, Masaki Kobyashi, Akira Kurosawa, Wong Kar Wai, Park Chan Wook, Satyajit Ray, Luis Bunuel, Andrzei Wajda. Also check out the criterion website. Any of the films on there are masterpieces. You can find Polish, Armenian, Iraqui, Indian, Spanish and Czheck films.
@@beebeeramone4641 By the way I watch a lot of those films on a fire stick with the cinema free app. But for the ones I can’t get on there I buy them off the criterion website. They have a over 1000 films to choose from.
Cinema is such a subjective thing that I don't understand why we put an invisible objective standard over it. I've learnt after watching 4000 plus films that cinema is about making you feel entertained, confused, emotional, angry, heartfelt, mesmerised etc etc. Each director has their own vision and i believe it should be an experience and not a well thought out critique.
Quentin Tarantino. His films certainly aren't bad. But his whole schtick just gets really tired after a while. My favorite film of his is still Reservoir Dogs. Also, it's annoying how much people worship him.
I think Tarantino moves equally fanboys and haters, i see fanboys defending him and phraising him like a god But at the same level i see tons of people that cant stand His success and impact dismissing any merit or people phraising him and liking His movies, both sides being emotional about It too
Griffith has nuances in some of his other films besides Birth of A Nation which is perhaps the most racist film ever. Broken Blossoms has sympathy for a possible white-Asian relationship. An early short from the 1910s showed how the Native Americans suffered at the hands of white settlers. To only focus on the racism is to dismiss a big part of cinema history. I don't see who else might have made that leap at the time. In 1915, cinema was still just a penny arcade attraction that no one took seriously as art.
I really enjoy 70s and 80s Scorsese. It really feels like he just put himself out there and experimented. His most underrated film for me is The King of Comedy. Taxi Driver is his masterpiece for me.
@@Wildcock23 Martin Scorcese himself has said Rupert Pumpkin is more disturbing than Travis Bickle ever was. The key reasoning for that is Rupert has no empathy whatsoever where Travis on the other hand does.
I think some people tends to put so much focus on the "sex" part like It something cheap to explore (AND considered the protagonist were top good looking Hollywood actors) and that taints their apreciación the the movie as a whole, i think its similar to comedy movies/series , people AND the medium tends to rate them lower just for the genre instead of serious or dramatic movies
@1:45: *"Prestige"* (2006) is at least for me, *Nolan* at his most *emotionally "deep" and even personally candid* , at least vicariously through the characters. And despite the recurring theme of the "dead wife / mother", I think this trope reflects a narrative preference just as much as anything psychological on his part, and certainly no intentional misogyny unlike many other directors whose female characters are simply symbols to the male protagonists, rather than being their own persons. With an *all-star cast* most of whom I found very moving, not to mention a notable performance by the late *David Bowie* as well as Piper Perabo (who I think is from your neck of the woods), it was definitely a concerted effort on everybody's part. But if even this movie (being his only "great" film) won't impress you, it really would be the *last "trick" up his sleeve!*
Prestige was my favorite Nolan film for a while, until I learned to accept his more impersonal style and appreciate Dunkirk and Tenet for what they were.
I’ve mellowed on my appreciation for Nolan over time, but the one movie that has retained all of its power for me is The Prestige. I still like to love all of his movies, but that’s the only one I would defend as a 10/10 almost flawless movie.
I think its cause Spielberg while still a world known director, its not that highly rated or talked like in the 90s when he was absolutely shoved down everyone throats, His universal phraise tamed down a little after the 2000s
@@johnnyjohnny2650 You are automatically my friend and comrade. Male kubrick fans are invariably narcissistic douchebags who worship themselves through his movies characters.
8:10 I completely agree. Kubrick is one of the pillars of modern cinema. Also i would add that "Eyes Wide Shut" is one of the most rewatchable films ever made, and his most underrated. People complain on the acting on that movie but in my opinion the characters seem to act with the naivety they are supposed to have.
Agreed, Resevoir Dogs and both Kill Bill Volumes were great. The rest were trash,imo..A lot of his work seems to be Lynch/Scorsese rip offs, which is cool if Lynch or Scorsese is doing it.
Stanley Kubrick is definitely not overrated. Though I experience a lot of frustration with his films post-2001, those films have made me think about some very important things. After watching Barry Lyndon, I started contemplating what the point of my life was. I did not enjoy the film at all. It was so painful. Yet, it is a movie that has actually changed my life. Most directors don't have the vision or the insights that Kubrick has. He makes ambitious films that are able to cut to the heart of humanity and inhumanity. Stanley Kubrick's early work are real treasures. There is more wit in Lolita and Dr. Strangelove than most other movies. Paths of Glory makes it's antiwar statements through extremely intense emotional scenes . In Kubrick, there is so much to treasure and take away.
Kubrick is the Beatles of the film , they deserve a lot of appreciation but they GET WAY TOO MUCH OF IT to the point that there's no space for others. We would never have gotten the peak of pink Floyd and their best albums if the Beatles wouldn't have broken up but their presence was important so that they could make a concept album an alright thing
@@Oioiou73 same its not that hes not a great filmmaker or the greatest, the huge influence is undeniably there in an objective level but theres more than just him, same thing with the Beatles i actually do think they've influenced modern music in a way no other band did but theres more than just them, something like pink floyd would be appealing because it sounds more modern so it depends, citizen kane is considered the best film ever made but it was mostly because of the techical advancements and storytelling that seem new at the time but doesn't seem new now but it can still hold up its recognition because of how well it was made and the circumstances that were there in those times, the debate should never be about who is the greatest because its subjective and even if there was a greatest it the depends on what type of greatest were talking about, is it because it was different to anything else at the time, is it because its complex or is it because its been engrained into our culture for how significant that piece of media is? theres always more than just one, so yeah even if there is such thing as the greatist thing ,theres still more aspects of media out there and times change so even if someone creates the greatest thing ever made, it will still be because of a specific thing, maybe because it was way ahead of its time, maybe because it actually aged well, it depends, and thats why other great artist shouldn't be shadowed , theres more in film than just kubrick and theres more to music than the beatles, the influence someone makes can be viewed objectively, but choosing who's the best of the best is subjective, and by best of the best i mean choosing between great directors or even great musicians
I agree with a lot of the criticism of Christopher Nolan here. For what it's worth, I found his "The Prestige" to be an example of him overcoming some of his limitations as far as emotional depth. Perhaps that praise should be shared with the phenomenal work of Bale & Jackman in those roles, but the scene structure lent itself to exploring those characters much more deeply than is usual for him. I'd be very curious to hear your thoughts about The Prestige.
Prestige is the only film by Nolan I care to revisit. The more recent work relies so much on gimmicks and the usage of technical tricks to get the viewer to overlook the myriad of flaws in his films.
Difference between Scorsese and Chase's Sopranos is that Scorsese actually grew up around the Mob and was very much in that world and knew the people. They were not deep thinkers interested in existentialist themes and surreal dream sequences - they were just simple people. Scorsese conveys them brilliantly, Chase exploits them.
@@richardsantanna5398 Your argument would hold more validity and credibility (even if you're wrong) if you were to back it up with examples of what you "can't stand" about his films.
@@Danimal77 You're right. I need to think about it and get back to you. Because right now I'm just wondering what people even like about his films. It's kinda bewildering.
Jon Favreau and The Russo Brothers off the top of my head are so overrated... Everything they do is just lifeless and sterile... They aren't artists, they're just craftsman. Zack Snyder is overrated as well but for different reasons... Snyder is an artist, just an artist who's interests seem infantile/juvenile to me. I think certain cinephiles who are getting into more independent films bashing on Nolan is so corny. If you look at the blockbuster landscape... NO ONE is making movies like him. As you mentioned, Dunkirk is a masterpiece. The Dark Knight is one of the most historically significant blockbusters in history in terms of shifting the landscape of what blockbusters have become. Inception and Tenet were just brilliant original blockbusters. Seriously, who else is making big tentpole studio films like this guy?
I dislike Tenet and Dunkirk, but I agree with you. Russo Brothers are so overrated it hurts. They got lucky with the Disney machine giving the Marvel resources, Feige and standing behind them.
i think just because he is making blockbusters unique doesn't make them good. Like, imagine tenet without the time reverse aspect. It'd be the exact blockbuster you are criticize.
@@Austin-xu9ty Why would I imagine Tenet without the central concept of the film? Of course. That's like saying "imagine a James Bond movie without James Bond" that's a terrible argument.
People were drawn to Christopher Nolan over the last 15 years because he is the only modern director who can marry *merely* competent filmmaking with a high-concept plot and a budget. Which says more about the state of modern Hollywood than it does about Christopher Nolan, who I can't get into because of his already-mentioned turgidity.
I think you're right on the money with this take. Following the success of his Batman trilogy, Nolan has enough clout in Hollywood to essentially make any movie he wants. His sense of scale, and insistence on using practical effects, over CGI, means that his films feel refreshing next to most tent-pole blockbusters. He is a beneficiary of the rather troubled times we find ourselves in, in terms of Hollywood. I actually rather enjoy his films for their technical merits, but I also acknowledge, he is very overrated, particularly The Dark Knight. There are people that would claim TDK is in the same league as The Godfather, which is absolutely ludicrous.
How is no one talking about James Cameron? With exception to Terminator 1 and 2 and Aliens, Cameron is a director that focuses solely on style over substance, and has been proven to even plagerise some of his work, like Avatar. His films may be box office kings, but a lot of them are widely overrated, like the aforementioned Avatar and Titanic. Plus his release date for when Avatar 2 will come out has become a complete joke.
My favorite Scorsese film has to be Silence. It's the film he struggled for years to make and his big passion project, and you can literally feel that passion radiating from the screen. It's an excellent exploration of faith, sacrifice, and the hypocrisy in what it means to be a servant of God. Nobody talks about it, probably due to the lack of gangsters and difficult material, but I think it's his most authentic and personal piece of cinema
loved silence too. although having only seen it once I still prefer last temptation, ironically that extra layer of exploring the themes through a biblical story makes it more entertaining to me, rather than the more direct approach he took with silence, still have to agree silence is very underrated
Tho I"m late to the game, I want to say Tim Burton. His ideas are stale, his schtick of finding the dark side to every Disney fairy tale is old, his execution is hackneyed and dull. His most egregious crime for me was his take on Dark Shadows, I could barely sit through it. He's basically the spoiled Goth kid in the school cafeteria snickering at the so called normal kids at the tables surrounding him.
@@amugsgame9936 While I'm at it let me add Alice in Wonderland, Charlie & The Chocolate Factory and Planet of the Apes as well are unspeakable atrocities. HANDS OFF BURTON!!
I find Joss whedon to be incredibly over rated. I thought his meta, ironic, humour was really one note and over saturated in media. James Gunn and most regurgitated Marvel movie directors are by the book, studio mandated directors with no true creativity breaking through.
Thanks for your comments on all the directors both educated and tactful. There is an element of truth to all the comments made on the directors but also a positive side. Kubrick's perfectionism can be exasperating but awe-inspiring; Nolan's 'overreaching' laudably ambitious; Scorsese's focus on morality preachy but thought-provoking. Of course, there are technical directors and directors whose mastery is more in how they tell a story or how they interpret reality. Any appreciation of a director has to take into account these differences. There is something to be said, I think, in what David Lynch said that one should watch a movie without knowing anything about it or being totally open to it. I totaly agree with him and find that directors' work is much more rewarding when you can surrender to the world of the film you are presented with.
Wow, in a list that would contain the most overrated directors, I would never have expected to see names like Scorsese, Kubrick, Nolan and DW Griffith.... I would think the first two are almost unanimously hailed as being the greatest and most influential directors that ever lived, by generations of actors and directors. So totally disagree there as I consider them having made multiple masterpieces, covering several decades. For me Nolan, Denis Villeneuve and David Fincher have taken over that torch, trying to always bring something original and thought provoking with every release. I do agree that 'Dunkirk' and 'Tenet' are lacking emotional character building in comparison to previous work. Still I prefer a director going all out with an unique vision than getting a watered down rehash for the millionth time. As to D W. Griffith, I agree with your views. He was very controversial figure with horroble racial views and stereotypes. Purely based on influence in cinema, both 'Birth of a Nation' and 'Intollerance' are grand spectacles riddled with revolutionary cuts, images and a complex narrative containing several stories. What he did was eye opening and influential on generations of filmmakers to follow and his contributions in that way should not be denounced so easily. Overrated directors for me are people like Richard Linklater, Ron Howard, George Lucas, Tom Hooper, and Tim Burton (post 'Big Fish').
Great answers to each director mentioned. Christopher Nolan and David Fincher although it'd take me some time to articulate why I find their successes to be annoying although one certainly can't condemn THEM for being successful. And Griffith is a great director although I find BOAN a really hard watch, I love INTOLERANCE and WAY DOWN EAST not to mention his short films are fascinating studies in narrative film technique. I remember my film professor talking about A CORNER IN WHEAT and he mentioned how Griffith opened up the visual field by showing a character look off screen and cutting to what the character sees and in that context it also having an emotional element. That sounds simplistic now, but it was revolutionary then being that movies started off basically being filmed stage plays. So Griffith is a great study.
Hot Take: Dark Knight is Nolans best Movie and only because of this amazing Joker performance by Heath Ledger. Second is Dunkirk and the rest is kinda meh
When people say stuff like "Nolan films lack character depth", I just have to assume they've never watched his earlier work. I can see why one would say that if they've only seen Dunkirk and Tenet, but The Prestige and Insomnia are two phenomenal character studies. The Prestige is basically a better version of Whiplash, which is saying a lot considering how great that film is.
2001 is definitely Kubricks objective best film but I wouldn’t say he peaked. It’s odd to say that he peaked when he came out with two masterful timeless films like clockwork and Barry Lyndon right afterwards.
@@jumpedintheriverwhatdidise5499 objective in the general sense of me trying to leave out some of the personal enjoyment and relationship I have with the film. Of course it’s all subjective in terms of taste and what you get from it.
Haven’t watched this yet (am about to) but... Get out the cannons and start firing away at the peanut gallery!! Lol. Gee, do I smell Darren Aronofsky somewhere in the building? Or is that too obvious. 😊🙃
I think Chris Nolan's movies can become obnoxious to cinephiles because his characters spend so much time explaining the themes of the movie. A great director usually implies themes visually rather than relying on heavy handed dialogue, and they just trust the audience to "get it": Nolan loves telling the audience how smart his themes are. In this way, Nolan is up his own ass as much as Quentin Tarantino is, but when Tarantino is up his own ass, at least it's fun.
Very well said, and I completely agree. Even if objectively speaking Tarantino's films are not all that great, they are at least very fun and rewatchable. But with Nolan, he seems to flex how smart he is with his creative ideas and just leaves it at that without ever telling a comprehensive story.
I think Tarantino's movies are fun in that age when you wear t-shirts with some disgusting metalcore band and other teenage jackass stuff, but some people grow up. Quentin didn't. And I think so didn'rmt his audience. It's just like when someone adult sais that his favourite movie franchise is the one with target audience 12yo kids...
Could your disconnect with Scorsese’s gangster films be generational? If so i I find this both valid and interesting. I’m 50 and can’t imagine a world without them and to me some of the most rewachable films. But I totally understand them losing some of there relevance through modern eyes. Still love em though.
It amazes me that hardly anyone criticizes Kubrick, as if he is somehow off-limits. He was enormously talented, but far from perfect (Quentin Tarantino is another). I definitely have my gripes with Nolan, but I'm just so thankful that someone like him exists in the current cinematic climate.
I think it's largely because his fans tend to be some of the most aggressive and pretentious people to ever walk the earth, and they will just shit on anyone who tries to suggest that his films aren't perfect. A lot of directors have these kind of rabid fans but from what I've observed, Kubrick fans are far and away the worst of the bunch.
Kubrick and Nolan are on entirely different levels.I'm not the biggest Kubrick fan (although I do love The Shining and Barry Lyndon), but at least his films are... I don't know how to say it. Enjoyable? Well balanced? Watching a Nolan movie you feel like the movie is screaming "see how clever I am" as often as possible. Technically his movies are well-done, but they feel so try-hard. Nolan spent so much time trying to work out his concept in Inception, but everything else is so damn boring and uninteresting. Which makes the whole point moot. You'd think the story at least would be decent. I couldn't care less about it. And the action sequences were so damn uninteresting. You couldn't see anything in gunfights The music is quite distracting too. I can't stand Hans Zimmer. It feels like the music tries to tell you how to feel, rather than supporting the rest of the movie in making you actually feel that way. I don't know, every time I think about Inception I get annoyed. Again, you need some kind of skill to have made that movie. But you can be the best guitarist on a technical standpoint, yet that doesn't mean you can write an exciting riff to save your life!
@@spearheadbt9601 Well, you're certainly entitled to that opinion, even if I disagree on most of your points. Nolan's style clearly isn't for you and thats completely fine.
@@spearheadbt9601 You make valid points. I agree with a lot of what you're saying about Nolan. To me, he's a filmmaker who likes to make puzzles for the audience to solve rather than telling an emotionally-engaging story.
I like your channel.You give actual knowledge and information about movies actors and directors.You does not make shitty videos for views likes and subscriptions unlike other channels cough cough Watchmojo.
I get not liking Nolan, and I mostly agree with the criticisms laid against him. I still really like every movie he’s made, and I love The Prestige. I would say his style is a weird mix of Spielberg’s kinetic editing with Kubrick’s cold, detached camera. The emotions often don’t work, but the filmmaking and the creativity always work for me. Scorsese’s gangster movies are overrated. His non-gangster movies are underrated. Bringing Out the Dead, After Hours, Silence, Last Temptation of Christ, his music documentaries, Shutter Island, etc… great stuff. I also love The Irishman because it felt to me more of an exploration of aging, time, and regret rather than Goodfellas part 3.
I like to talk about things I love rather than things I hate. Even though I hate films that lack characters that emotionally involve me & non-linear time, Dunkirk broke my rules. But I loved it. I also thought Paths Of Glory was visually powerful B&W. Griffith's, Birth Of A Nation, even with its moral faults, revolutionized cinema as much as Citizen Kane did. And the directors I am currently looking forward to are Denis Villenueve (Arrival was brilliant) & John Krasinski (A Quiet Place is the most inventive thriller I have ever seen). That's my 2 cents worth.
@UCUyweB76gT0gmVeZmuNqm6A Dunkirk was a disgraceful piece of shit. It made me sick how disrespectful it was to the soldiers who died in the war. It made me hate Nolan as a person.
My favorite phrase from a movie review was from the great Stanley Kauffman describing (I believe the Royal Tanenbaums but definitely an early Wes Anderson movie) as "herniated novelty." Perfect encapsulation of his whole career imo. I actually do like David Fincher but I don't see him as a particularly great film stylist. It's like it's impossible these days to just be good...you're either a genius or you suck. Fincher's good...not a genius though.
I have hated/disliked Tenet, Dunkirk and Dark Knight Rises. I have absolutely fell in love with almost all the rest of Nolan's movies. He is truly one of a kind. He makes big budget blockbusters which fall into a genre not even tried by most others where he mixes philosophy, sci-fi, emotion, a bit of cheeky comedy and all with sky high ambitions. The people who think his movies lack emotion haven't allowed themselves to fully immerse in his stories.
Dunkirk was so disrespectful to what happens in real life. It actually makes me sick how people like the movie. Heck even war veterans said it was good. It pissed me off. First of all why tell a real life event in the wrong order. Secondly in the war Dunkirk was blown to the ground but in the film it looks fine. Finally why are there only like 200 soldiers on the beach when in reality there were 400,000. Nolan was scared to use CGI or use camera tricks so he is just lazy in that regard. Nolan is a truly despicable man who's ego is through the roof. He has no care for anyone els but his own ‘passion’ and people still continue to fuel his ego by watching his terrible movies
the concept overrated is connected to awards - oscars/golden globes - therefore the viewing public are influenced by what is chosen - films that go under the radar have hugely talented directors so this is very subjective and also there is a bias - blockbusters michael bere hate them so i guess i think he is overrated but in comprison to who
Some of the best directors in existence would kill to have just one of Kubrick's films under their belt. Kubrick is so highly respected, even adored, among his peers that the notion of him being "overrated" is just laughable.
Honestly Michael Bay. From the shitty yellow tint in all his movies to the dumb lens flares I can’t stand ANY of it. If you ever have a migraine and feel like making it much worse throw on a transformers movie or the island or some shit.
I think if you didn't have Stanley Kubrick there would be no Christopher Nolan, which to some extent, Nolan owes a major debt to him. I don't agree with most of your list, as overrated can be a tad subjective. I think someone could accuse Orson Welles of the same thing that Kubrick did too. So, I think overrated becomes deep subjective and monotonous to an argument that doesn't represent every single person's view. I think we attack more artistic visions because they are willing to make mistakes, too, in there genius. Sometimes execution doesn't always come out the same way people see it as. I love David Lynch, but people hate him too. I think without many of the directors who took the step to make there vision, there wouldn't be cinema or any artistic expression left to talk about. To endlessly deride the past, present, or future doesn't make people smart, but I have liked a lot of films that have never been nominated for Oscars too. I think many of examples you mentioned also have been wildly successful, too. I mean, everyone knows that Ewe Bowel is one of the worst directors of all time, but even so, he wanted to make his vision the way he wanted to. At least he saw video games as the next form of cinema, and Paul WS Anderson's Resident Evil series, was imaginative in the sense that it was willing to play around with a beloved game franchise but still make it palatable to people who didn't understand the game series. I know this is long, but I think this is a topic that can't be approached from a objective point of view. We all have our favorites, and nobody has to share the same opinions twice. I think I used to think like this, but once you create art, you start to understand that people have there own vision, and people see something that I didn't see, too.
You can't say everything You want about Christopher Nolan, but the man has create some of the most original and entertaining blockbuster of our century.
This title made me nervous. Im sure a few of my favorite directors are among the most derided. Liking Guy Ritchie and Zack Snyder films for example hasn't made me many critic friends.
Christopher Nolan has made two good films in my opinion: Memento and The Prestige. When his movies are limited in budget and scope, he's forced to make something decent. When he can go anywhere he wants, he immediately goes up his own ass and that describes most of his catalog. Beyond making films that are trying to look and sound way more profound, intelligent and impactful than they are, there's his drab color palette and his brutal over-reliance on music. Nonstop, droning soundtracks that completely overwhelm and displace any of the visual tools to establish and shift the tone of a story that better directors utilize. Anyone who thinks Kubrick is overrated is not someone whose opinions on film you should take seriously.
If Kubrick had only made Barry Lyndon, he would be a great film maker. Barry Lyndon is in my top 5 personal films of all time along with Fargo, Amelie ,All About Eve and The Wild Strawberries. Clamoring for position is 8 1/2, Rashomon, Tokyo Story, Fanny And Alexander and too many others to list.
Eyes wide shut to me was not about sex obsession. It was really about how ordinary people live with ordinary lives among powerful people, thus the title "Eyes Wide Shut."
Its rather nice to know I'm not alone in not vibing with Christopher Nolan. In film school, he was the "new Tarantino" that everyone was obsessed with religiously and I just never got into him - his style feels choppy and not very cohesive - Don't like his cinematography, pacing, directing style and the emotion thats there feels forced yet still so lacking.
Manhattan, Annie hall, Hannah and her sisters, match point, blue jasmine, midnight in Paris... and that’s just to name a few! Overrated?! It’s almost a laughable proposal
I'm new to your channel, and I love Cinema.and you are good, logically at breaking things down. The problem is I think a lot of directors want to be filmmakers, but a lot of them fail. Wwhat do you think of filmmakers like Sam Peckinpah - if you have heard of him? Or Paul Verhoeven? Let me know, thank you.
'Decent,' yet still way overrated directors ... Denis Villeneuve, Steven Spielberg. 'Terrible,' yet still way overrated directors ... George Lucas, M. Night Shyamalan and Zack Snyder.
Lucas would not be overrated taken into account his movies were meant for kids :D The problem is when 40yolds claim its philosophical depth, complex universe and character development. Not to forget the epic dialogues...
Oh dear. Kubrick's _magnum opus_ which stands head and shoulders above everything else he did is _Dr. Strangelove._ None of the others are even close. Second best is _Lolita._
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You really MUST see more Scorsese films. Please see Alice Doesn't Live Here Anymore, Mean Streets, The King of Comedy, After Hours, The Last Temptation of Christ, The Age of Innocence, Kundun, Bringing Out the Dead, Hugo, and Silence. There is nothing overrated about Scorsese. Or Kubrick, either. Many other filmmakers that could make an 'overrated' list before those two should ever even be considered.
By the way, there would be no 'Sopranos' without 'Goodfellas". I guess you had to be there. And you aren't SUPPOSED to connect with the characters in 'Goodfellas'. You are merely an observer. It's an anthropological study of a particular people in a particular time and place.
I haven't seen a single Scorsese film I haven't liked.
Lolol I was in shock hearing that. To me he's the greatest filmmaker of all time and it's not really close. And I've never heard him described as an extremely deep filmmaker.
Also Goodfellas is the only perfect film I've ever seen.
And well said on Goodfellas; not all films are meant to convey the same the same feelings and emotions.
Why do you seem so offended by her comments. It's subjective. Overrated doesn't mean that person isnt a good or even great director. E.g. I could think my favorite/best director is overrated by others, it just means that no one's perfect and others are making them out as flawless. I agree with her on Scorsese, even though Goodfellas & were my fav 20 years ago. But I appreciate his other films more and moved on to others like Bergman, Fellini, tarkovsky etc
Kubrick was “thoughtless”? One might find him emotionally distant and quite cold, but he was clearly extremely intelligent both as a person and as a filmmaker.
It was a twitter user that said this if you're directing that comment at Maggie. She's a huge Kubrick fan.
@@charlesknowlton7198 yes I know. She showed the tweet in the video?
I mean Full Metal Jacket, A Clockwork Orange and the Shining are imo some of his best work and all come after 2001. Those films were so meticulously put together that thoughtless isn't a word anyone could use to decsribe Kubrick at that time in his film making. Now Eyes Wide Shut does feel like a movie from a lesser director.
If anything, I'd understand a non-fan of Kubrick to accuse him of too much thought
Don;t worry. That was a thoughtless ill-advised comment
Christopher Nolan is, at least for me, my vote as far as modern directors go. Very few of his films have resonated with me, and while I will say he’s not a bad filmmaker/director, to put him on the same level (if not higher) as people like Kubrick, Hitchcock, and Scorsese is baffling, at least to me (and I know quite a few people who do).
I also really used to hype up Darren Aronofsky’s films, and while I still really enjoy “The Wrestler” (maybe it’s because it feels like Aronofsky’s least Aronofsky-ish film to me? Maybe it’s because it feels like more of a Mickey Rourke-vehicle [and I LOVE me some Mickey Rourke. I think he, along with Nicolas Cage, is an actor who doesn’t get the appreciation he deserves]?), the more I look back on the rest of Aronofsky’s films, the less I am impressed.
Coming up blank on classic film directors, but those are my top two modern picks.
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The Dark Knight is one of the most overrated films ever. Sure Heath Ledger is fantastic but Christian Bale is terrible as Batman. And it’s got one of the worst sound mixes ever. Same with Tenet. Is Nolan deaf?
I also hated how much Nolan urgently needed to push his own opinions, statements and ideas unrelated to the plot into the movie, into the mouth of characters. If he wanted to tell his statement on Occupy Wallstreet or on socialism and other political topics, he could have written a book or a made a movie on that topic. Also comicbook remake without comicbook stylization, and gothicpunk without gothicpunk, Batman mostly during a day, with a postmodern moral relativization sh*t, geez that was a pile of crap.
How can Gasper Noe be overated when many of his movie are not widely received by critics and decisived with moviegoers ?
I agree. I'm not familiar with any of his movies, but I think the only way someone can still be overrated when their work is divisive with general viewers and critics/students of film alike is if he's worse than even most people already think. I suppose it's possible, but I don't think that's the meaning that was intended.
The fact that anybody likes him makes him overrated
Never heard of him, or any of his movies.
who the fuck is gaspee noe
@@pierre-emilehjbjerg5380 your dad
Watching DFL talking about overrated directors...
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I don't think that was the point of the comment. 😀
@@NaughtyVampireGod i know, but still, i hate to see people out here still suffering thru ads :)
@@LowTempDabr yeah
Being on mobile is no excuse either, there are free browsers with built in adblock, Brave for example.
Can't get on board the Kubrick hate. Just between Barry Lyndon and Paths of Glory make him one of the best, IMO.
Anyone who is well regarded will always be overated to someone somehow. Its just the way it is I guess.
@@markusbisma5015 overhype unfortunately can ruin a lot of things for people
Two of my favourites too.
@@markusbisma5015 I think some people confuse overrated to mean "everyone loves them, but I don't like them for my own subjective reasons," instead of "someone who gets more credit than they actually deserve/has flaws that often get overlooked."
Kubrick gets hate because hes a technically amazing filmmaker that has characters who are cold or lacking in depth sometimes. Thats not neccessarly a bad thing its just a fact. I think Paul Thomas Anderson is the modern day Kubrick technically brilliant but has distant characters.
Everyone says "2001" is Kubrick's best film and how that was supposedly his peak but his last film "Eyes Wide Shut" is in my opinion his best film.
@MichaelJackson now that is a crock of shit and you know it. EWS doesn’t even come close to 2001
Eyes Wide Shut is actually his worst film
These things are so subjective, naturally, but I'd put Barry Lyndon just ahead of EWS. And I say this as someone who adores EWS and watches it obsessively.
@@evangelionunit-0117 Are you the ceo of truth?
The ending of 2001 is so pretentiously stupid, it doesn't give any real philosophical or pragmatic idea, just giant space baby! In a list of movies with bad endings it's one of the worst.
No Tarantino? Goddd he can get annoying sometimes. I think it was Mark Kermode who described him as someone who really wants to show you his record collection and won’t shut up about it. Yes Quentin we get it you’ve seen everything. Pulp Fiction and Reservoir Dogs are obviously stone cold classics (I’ve never seen Jackie Browne which I know many people consider to be his best) and I enjoyed Once Upon.. quite a bit, I just think he’s easily prone to self-indulgence and overly-long bloated stories. It’s like he himself has bought in to the cult of Tarantino and just does whatever the fuck he wants because he knows his fans will lap it up. This isn’t true with all his movies it just seems like his ego gets in the way sometimes
It depends on what your looking for, the only 2 films i love are pulp fiction and reservoir dogs, im more of a plot structure person than anything else
@HiveRobot relax dude. We’re just talking about movies, remember?
@@connorveach5986 Uh WTF! That's exactly what I was talking about. Movies! On the other hand you seem to be talking more about Tarantino's interviews and fans which you may find sooooo 'annoying" but are they not the movies themselves. It seems your ego gets in the way sometimes...and unfortunately you've accomplished nothing to even warrant having an ego.
@@saintsataniko2116 “overly long bloated stories” I believe was the specific criticism I had, but ok. I just think his movies can almost always be slimmed down for the better - with some exceptions, like I said. And I can enjoy his movies and still think he’s overrated. Why should that bother you so much? It’s just, like, my opinion man
@@saintsataniko2116 movies, tho, Satanika, movies. Keep remembering. Talking about entertainment here . Art is not worth getting so worked up about if you’re gonna be a jerk about it
Your videos always take me so long to get through because I pause so much to reflect on what you’re saying and how I’d respond. I wind up getting in these long conversations with myself about the subject that take me into some random places, but that’s what I love about your channel. I only found this channel like a couple of months ago and it’s been a real joy. Peace and love to you and I look forward to your future videos.
Gaspar noe relies so heavily on shock factor. He would be decent without it but they ruin his films. “Oh it shows a graphic rape scene so he must be experimental and ingenious.”
I just found your channel today and you are a breath of fresh air! I love film and film history. But when I mention directors like Godard, Bresson, Parajanov, Tarkovsky, Park Chan Wook, Kurosowa, etc etc Nobody knows who I'm talking about even though they claim to be film lovers just because they've seen every Tarantino and Nolan film. A lot of people think films by the ones I listed are esoteric or pretentious but they just don't get it. I subscribed to your channel. I can't wait for future videos.
First how do you come to know directors like this? and Second how do you watch films by them? I like stuff that has esoteric meaning so can you suggest a movie by these directors to watch as a beginner dabbling into the more obscure?
@@beebeeramone4641 Absolutely! A good way to start is to check out sight and sounds top 250. Regular movie goers go by IMDb top 250 but their crap! Gladiator, inception, Dark knight!? Absolute crap! So I’d recommend watching some French new wave and Italian neo realism first to get into foreign films. Some great French films are Breathless, Vivre Sae Vie, Band of Outsiders, Murmur of The Heart, Le Samurai, Mr Klein, A Man Escaped, Last Year In Marienbad, The Rules of The Game etc Some great Italian films are: Investigation of A Citizen Above Suspicion, Rome Open City, Paisan, La Strada, Amacord, Accatone, Teorema, Two Woman, Bitter Rice, Nights of Cabria, Once Upon A Time In The West, For A Few Dollars More, Gomorrah, Fists In The Pocket etc Some great Russian films are Ivan’s Childhood, The Color Of Pomegranate's, The Ascent, Mirror, Come and See. Most Hollywood films are fluff. Just lazy, unoriginal and predictable. But some great American films are All That Jazz, Eraserhead, Blue Velvet, The Friends of Eddie Coyle, Taxi Driver, Mean Streets, Trouble In Paradise, To Be Or Not To Be, The Last Picture Show, 3 Woman, The Sting, HUD etc. The directors I’d keep an eye out for are David Lynch, Bob Fosse, Scorsese, Andrei Tarkovsky, Robert Bresson, Pier Palo Pasolini, Ingmar Bergman, Orson Welles, Federico Fellini, Masaki Kobyashi, Akira Kurosawa, Wong Kar Wai, Park Chan Wook, Satyajit Ray, Luis Bunuel, Andrzei Wajda. Also check out the criterion website. Any of the films on there are masterpieces. You can find Polish, Armenian, Iraqui, Indian, Spanish and Czheck films.
@@beebeeramone4641 By the way I watch a lot of those films on a fire stick with the cinema free app. But for the ones I can’t get on there I buy them off the criterion website. They have a over 1000 films to choose from.
Cinema is such a subjective thing that I don't understand why we put an invisible objective standard over it. I've learnt after watching 4000 plus films that cinema is about making you feel entertained, confused, emotional, angry, heartfelt, mesmerised etc etc. Each director has their own vision and i believe it should be an experience and not a well thought out critique.
This comment is underrated 👍
As time goes on i think im less concerned about what makes a film great and more concerned on why a film resonates with me
@@LuisAngel-mu4zv YES
Yeah absolutely 👍🏻 - and fuck rotten tomatoes.
Objectivity is the refuge of the narcissist
That Kubrick comment made me mad. How can you say that about Kubrick >:(
How is Tarantino not on this list? 😅
Quentin Tarantino. His films certainly aren't bad. But his whole schtick just gets really tired after a while. My favorite film of his is still Reservoir Dogs. Also, it's annoying how much people worship him.
One of my friends got upset when I called QT's films post-Jackie Brown, "well made shlock".
I think Tarantino is more of a showman than an artist. He's more concerned with spectacle and style than depth and insight.
I think Tarantino moves equally fanboys and haters, i see fanboys defending him and phraising him like a god But at the same level i see tons of people that cant stand His success and impact dismissing any merit or people phraising him and liking His movies, both sides being emotional about It too
I'd be interested to hear your thoughts on Paths Of Glory :)
That one is terrible. Rare for Kubrick to make something that simplistic and sentimental.
@@sandorx4 I disagree
@@sandorx4 it’s his best film imo. I disagree.
@@sandorx4 no lol your opinion is bad.
Imagine thinking paths of glory is terrible ROFLMAO. Good grief, it just shows how bizarre some opinions can be.
Very interesting video Maggie.
Taxi Driver and The Shining are some of my favorite movies.
Great video Maggie and take care and stay safe 👍🏻.
Griffith has nuances in some of his other films besides Birth of A Nation which is perhaps the most racist film ever. Broken Blossoms has sympathy for a possible white-Asian relationship. An early short from the 1910s showed how the Native Americans suffered at the hands of white settlers. To only focus on the racism is to dismiss a big part of cinema history. I don't see who else might have made that leap at the time. In 1915, cinema was still just a penny arcade attraction that no one took seriously as art.
I really enjoy 70s and 80s Scorsese. It really feels like he just put himself out there and experimented. His most underrated film for me is The King of Comedy. Taxi Driver is his masterpiece for me.
“The King of Comedy” is sorely underrated... ironically, it was the very first Scorsese movie I ever saw (I was only 6 at the time!)
agree totally. it's overshadowed by what came before and after it
@@philipgior3312 and if you think about it, “King of Comedy” is actually more depressing than “Taxi Driver” is! Ha!
@@Wildcock23 Martin Scorcese himself has said Rupert Pumpkin is more disturbing than Travis Bickle ever was. The key reasoning for that is Rupert has no empathy whatsoever where Travis on the other hand does.
@@taliamason7986 Not to mention, Rupert Pupkin is the “King” of awkwardness, whereas Travis Bickle comes off as just a lost soul.
Top 1. Nolan
I like his movies (Memento and The Dark Knight are some of my favorite films). But yeah... He is waaaaaay overrated.
He makes good movies but yeah he’s overrated.
Among the living ones, yes. Otherwise there is Bergman, Fellini, Bertolucci, Bunuel and others.
His more experimental films are pretty good. Originality detracts from overratedness in my opinion.
@@sandorx4 Bergman overrated???!!! You must be joking
8:53 either you haven't seen eyes wide shut or you don't fully understand the story. it is a misunderstood gem.
I completely agree!
I agree too
I think some people tends to put so much focus on the "sex" part like It something cheap to explore (AND considered the protagonist were top good looking Hollywood actors) and that taints their apreciación the the movie as a whole, i think its similar to comedy movies/series , people AND the medium tends to rate them lower just for the genre instead of serious or dramatic movies
@1:45: *"Prestige"* (2006) is at least for me, *Nolan* at his most *emotionally "deep" and even personally candid* , at least vicariously through the characters. And despite the recurring theme of the "dead wife / mother", I think this trope reflects a narrative preference just as much as anything psychological on his part, and certainly no intentional misogyny unlike many other directors whose female characters are simply symbols to the male protagonists, rather than being their own persons.
With an *all-star cast* most of whom I found very moving, not to mention a notable performance by the late *David Bowie* as well as Piper Perabo (who I think is from your neck of the woods), it was definitely a concerted effort on everybody's part.
But if even this movie (being his only "great" film) won't impress you, it really would be the *last "trick" up his sleeve!*
Prestige was my favorite Nolan film for a while, until I learned to accept his more impersonal style and appreciate Dunkirk and Tenet for what they were.
I’ve mellowed on my appreciation for Nolan over time, but the one movie that has retained all of its power for me is The Prestige. I still like to love all of his movies, but that’s the only one I would defend as a 10/10 almost flawless movie.
Surprised that nobody said Steven Speilberg. I think he is the most overrated director ever.
Its hard with Spielberg. He has had so many great movies with iconic moments, but he has also made a lot of "meh" movies.
I think its cause Spielberg while still a world known director, its not that highly rated or talked like in the 90s when he was absolutely shoved down everyone throats, His universal phraise tamed down a little after the 2000s
When God wants to see a movie, he puts on a Kubrick film.
no idiot he puts on paddington 2
Nah, he probably puts on Yorgos Lanthimos.
This is why I think he's overrated, people say stuff like this.
@@johnnyjohnny2650 You are automatically my friend and comrade. Male kubrick fans are invariably narcissistic douchebags who worship themselves through his movies characters.
gross
I personally don't understand why Tarantino is praised so much. I've never been able to enjoy his movies. They feel structureless and overly blunt.
On the topic of gangster movies, I would be very interested to know what you thought of Sergio Leone's last film Once A Upon A Time In America.
I really wish she had mentioned it. It certainly is more emotionally resonant than the mob films she mentioned.
Fabulous film.
Sergio Leone, the greatest director of all time!
Better, than Goodfellas or The Godfather movies in my opinion. But I loved The Irishman.
overrated
8:10 I completely agree. Kubrick is one of the pillars of modern cinema. Also i would add that "Eyes Wide Shut" is one of the most rewatchable films ever made, and his most underrated. People complain on the acting on that movie but in my opinion the characters seem to act with the naivety they are supposed to have.
And that's all down to how he edited it.
@Peter Kelner Why?
@Peter Kelner modern cinema doesn't exist, blockbusters killed it, took a while but they finally did it
*clears throat* Quentin Tarantino
Agreed, Resevoir Dogs and both Kill Bill Volumes were great. The rest were trash,imo..A lot of his work seems to be Lynch/Scorsese rip offs, which is cool if Lynch or Scorsese is doing it.
Kind of, i only truly love pulp fiction and reservoir dogs, i never really got into the hatefull 8 or any of the kill bill volumes that much
Truth!
Jackie brown is the best because it’s not based on something QT came up with
@@sammfshields I would disagree that it's the best. But it's definitely his film with the most realistic and fleshed out characters
Stanley Kubrick is definitely not overrated. Though I experience a lot of frustration with his films post-2001, those films have made me think about some very important things. After watching Barry Lyndon, I started contemplating what the point of my life was. I did not enjoy the film at all. It was so painful. Yet, it is a movie that has actually changed my life. Most directors don't have the vision or the insights that Kubrick has. He makes ambitious films that are able to cut to the heart of humanity and inhumanity. Stanley Kubrick's early work are real treasures. There is more wit in Lolita and Dr. Strangelove than most other movies. Paths of Glory makes it's antiwar statements through extremely intense emotional scenes . In Kubrick, there is so much to treasure and take away.
Kubrick is the Beatles of the film , they deserve a lot of appreciation but they GET WAY TOO MUCH OF IT to the point that there's no space for others. We would never have gotten the peak of pink Floyd and their best albums if the Beatles wouldn't have broken up but their presence was important so that they could make a concept album an alright thing
@@Oioiou73 same its not that hes not a great filmmaker or the greatest, the huge influence is undeniably there in an objective level but theres more than just him, same thing with the Beatles i actually do think they've influenced modern music in a way no other band did but theres more than just them, something like pink floyd would be appealing because it sounds more modern so it depends, citizen kane is considered the best film ever made but it was mostly because of the techical advancements and storytelling that seem new at the time but doesn't seem new now but it can still hold up its recognition because of how well it was made and the circumstances that were there in those times, the debate should never be about who is the greatest because its subjective and even if there was a greatest it the depends on what type of greatest were talking about, is it because it was different to anything else at the time, is it because its complex or is it because its been engrained into our culture for how significant that piece of media is? theres always more than just one, so yeah even if there is such thing as the greatist thing ,theres still more aspects of media out there and times change so even if someone creates the greatest thing ever made, it will still be because of a specific thing, maybe because it was way ahead of its time, maybe because it actually aged well, it depends, and thats why other great artist shouldn't be shadowed , theres more in film than just kubrick and theres more to music than the beatles, the influence someone makes can be viewed objectively, but choosing who's the best of the best is subjective, and by best of the best i mean choosing between great directors or even great musicians
@fa q see you didn't mention Paths of Glory that's the best war film I've ever seen.
I agree with a lot of the criticism of Christopher Nolan here. For what it's worth, I found his "The Prestige" to be an example of him overcoming some of his limitations as far as emotional depth. Perhaps that praise should be shared with the phenomenal work of Bale & Jackman in those roles, but the scene structure lent itself to exploring those characters much more deeply than is usual for him. I'd be very curious to hear your thoughts about The Prestige.
The reason is because the Prestige is adapted from a book. Most of his other work is his original work.
Prestige is the only film by Nolan I care to revisit. The more recent work relies so much on gimmicks and the usage of technical tricks to get the viewer to overlook the myriad of flaws in his films.
Difference between Scorsese and Chase's Sopranos is that Scorsese actually grew up around the Mob and was very much in that world and knew the people. They were not deep thinkers interested in existentialist themes and surreal dream sequences - they were just simple people. Scorsese conveys them brilliantly, Chase exploits them.
Name one point in Sopranos in which the characters WEREN'T portrayed as simple people.
Underrated directors if a far more interesting topic
Wim Wenders , Nicholas ray and Douglas Sirk come to mind for me. Also a massive fan of Elia Kazan .
Some very hot takes in here! I think I'd be too 'triggered' by somebody saying that Kubrick is overrated , so well done on keeping your cool 😆
I know everybody worships him, but I can't understand what people see in his films.
@@richardsantanna5398 peoples opinions about art are mostly subjective but i think his films are technicly briliant
@@kinanshmahell8065 technically****
@@richardsantanna5398 Your argument would hold more validity and credibility (even if you're wrong) if you were to back it up with examples of what you "can't stand" about his films.
@@Danimal77
You're right. I need to think about it and get back to you. Because right now I'm just wondering what people even like about his films. It's kinda bewildering.
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Goodfellas is way better than The Godfather or Sopranos. Scorsese’s best film hands down.
Godfather is completely different than GoodFellas
I’m a huge Scorsese fan but they’re different films, Goodfellas is actually structured more like melodrama with its emphasis on blue collar guys.
Quentin Tarantino. His movies are just grating to me now. Still like a few.
Oliver Stone is a very overrated director.
Jon Favreau and The Russo Brothers off the top of my head are so overrated... Everything they do is just lifeless and sterile... They aren't artists, they're just craftsman. Zack Snyder is overrated as well but for different reasons... Snyder is an artist, just an artist who's interests seem infantile/juvenile to me. I think certain cinephiles who are getting into more independent films bashing on Nolan is so corny. If you look at the blockbuster landscape... NO ONE is making movies like him. As you mentioned, Dunkirk is a masterpiece. The Dark Knight is one of the most historically significant blockbusters in history in terms of shifting the landscape of what blockbusters have become. Inception and Tenet were just brilliant original blockbusters. Seriously, who else is making big tentpole studio films like this guy?
I dislike Tenet and Dunkirk, but I agree with you. Russo Brothers are so overrated it hurts. They got lucky with the Disney machine giving the Marvel resources, Feige and standing behind them.
i think just because he is making blockbusters unique doesn't make them good. Like, imagine tenet without the time reverse aspect. It'd be the exact blockbuster you are criticize.
@@Austin-xu9ty Yeah. Imagine a chicken sandwich without the chicken. You make no sense.
@@Austin-xu9ty Why would I imagine Tenet without the central concept of the film? Of course. That's like saying "imagine a James Bond movie without James Bond" that's a terrible argument.
People were drawn to Christopher Nolan over the last 15 years because he is the only modern director who can marry *merely* competent filmmaking with a high-concept plot and a budget. Which says more about the state of modern Hollywood than it does about Christopher Nolan, who I can't get into because of his already-mentioned turgidity.
Never thought it that way. I guess a lot of people are easily excited.
I think you're right on the money with this take. Following the success of his Batman trilogy, Nolan has enough clout in Hollywood to essentially make any movie he wants. His sense of scale, and insistence on using practical effects, over CGI, means that his films feel refreshing next to most tent-pole blockbusters. He is a beneficiary of the rather troubled times we find ourselves in, in terms of Hollywood. I actually rather enjoy his films for their technical merits, but I also acknowledge, he is very overrated, particularly The Dark Knight. There are people that would claim TDK is in the same league as The Godfather, which is absolutely ludicrous.
How is no one talking about James Cameron? With exception to Terminator 1 and 2 and Aliens, Cameron is a director that focuses solely on style over substance, and has been proven to even plagerise some of his work, like Avatar. His films may be box office kings, but a lot of them are widely overrated, like the aforementioned Avatar and Titanic. Plus his release date for when Avatar 2 will come out has become a complete joke.
@Tom Ffrench I said with exception to the first two Terminator movies and Aliens, cause those movies are classics
@Tom Ffrench True Lies is a fun movie to watch. It’s Cameron’s most recent work that I find to be problematic.
My favorite Scorsese film has to be Silence. It's the film he struggled for years to make and his big passion project, and you can literally feel that passion radiating from the screen. It's an excellent exploration of faith, sacrifice, and the hypocrisy in what it means to be a servant of God. Nobody talks about it, probably due to the lack of gangsters and difficult material, but I think it's his most authentic and personal piece of cinema
loved silence too. although having only seen it once I still prefer last temptation, ironically that extra layer of exploring the themes through a biblical story makes it more entertaining to me, rather than the more direct approach he took with silence, still have to agree silence is very underrated
Interstellar, memento, the dark knight and prestige are easily in my favourite movies list.
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@@fyessssss wow okay
Tho I"m late to the game, I want to say Tim Burton. His ideas are stale, his schtick of finding the dark side to every Disney fairy tale is old, his execution is hackneyed and dull. His most egregious crime for me was his take on Dark Shadows, I could barely sit through it. He's basically the spoiled Goth kid in the school cafeteria snickering at the so called normal kids at the tables surrounding him.
Good shout actually!
@@amugsgame9936 While I'm at it let me add Alice in Wonderland, Charlie & The Chocolate Factory and Planet of the Apes as well are unspeakable atrocities. HANDS OFF BURTON!!
I cant belive no one mentioned Spilberg...
In a way, you're kind of the female TH-camr equivalent of the media professor standing in line at the start of Annie Hall.
I find Joss whedon to be incredibly over rated. I thought his meta, ironic, humour was really one note and over saturated in media. James Gunn and most regurgitated Marvel movie directors are by the book, studio mandated directors with no true creativity breaking through.
Thanks for your comments on all the directors both educated and tactful. There is an element of truth to all the comments made on the directors but also a positive side. Kubrick's perfectionism can be exasperating but awe-inspiring; Nolan's 'overreaching' laudably ambitious; Scorsese's focus on morality preachy but thought-provoking. Of course, there are technical directors and directors whose mastery is more in how they tell a story or how they interpret reality. Any appreciation of a director has to take into account these differences. There is something to be said, I think, in what David Lynch said that one should watch a movie without knowing anything about it or being totally open to it. I totaly agree with him and find that directors' work is much more rewarding when you can surrender to the world of the film you are presented with.
Wow, in a list that would contain the most overrated directors, I would never have expected to see names like Scorsese, Kubrick, Nolan and DW Griffith.... I would think the first two are almost unanimously hailed as being the greatest and most influential directors that ever lived, by generations of actors and directors. So totally disagree there as I consider them having made multiple masterpieces, covering several decades. For me Nolan, Denis Villeneuve and David Fincher have taken over that torch, trying to always bring something original and thought provoking with every release. I do agree that 'Dunkirk' and 'Tenet' are lacking emotional character building in comparison to previous work. Still I prefer a director going all out with an unique vision than getting a watered down rehash for the millionth time.
As to D W. Griffith, I agree with your views. He was very controversial figure with horroble racial views and stereotypes. Purely based on influence in cinema, both 'Birth of a Nation' and 'Intollerance' are grand spectacles riddled with revolutionary cuts, images and a complex narrative containing several stories.
What he did was eye opening and influential on generations of filmmakers to follow and his contributions in that way should not be denounced so easily.
Overrated directors for me are people like Richard Linklater, Ron Howard, George Lucas, Tom Hooper, and Tim Burton (post 'Big Fish').
Great answers to each director mentioned. Christopher Nolan and David Fincher although it'd take me some time to articulate why I find their successes to be annoying although one certainly can't condemn THEM for being successful. And Griffith is a great director although I find BOAN a really hard watch, I love INTOLERANCE and WAY DOWN EAST not to mention his short films are fascinating studies in narrative film technique. I remember my film professor talking about A CORNER IN WHEAT and he mentioned how Griffith opened up the visual field by showing a character look off screen and cutting to what the character sees and in that context it also having an emotional element. That sounds simplistic now, but it was revolutionary then being that movies started off basically being filmed stage plays. So Griffith is a great study.
I'm here to hear Christopher Nolan getting a mention.
To me he's only made one good movie, Memento, and one that's pretty entertaining, Inception.
Memento is indeed a great movie!
Prestige, Interstellar and Dark Knight
Hot Take: Dark Knight is Nolans best Movie and only because of this amazing Joker performance by Heath Ledger. Second is Dunkirk and the rest is kinda meh
Imo Memento and Prestige are very good. And The Dark knight was pretty entertaining.
@@carlosdumbratzen6332 It's boring and overrated. All the performances are wooden and uninteresting. The Joker is just another rip of John Doe
I love any directors whose films feel like a celebration of cinema, and so it's hard for me to think of any who I'd consider "overrated".
When people say stuff like "Nolan films lack character depth", I just have to assume they've never watched his earlier work. I can see why one would say that if they've only seen Dunkirk and Tenet, but The Prestige and Insomnia are two phenomenal character studies. The Prestige is basically a better version of Whiplash, which is saying a lot considering how great that film is.
I would still take Whiplash over The Prestige, but I see what you’re saying.
2001 is definitely Kubricks objective best film but I wouldn’t say he peaked. It’s odd to say that he peaked when he came out with two masterful timeless films like clockwork and Barry Lyndon right afterwards.
objective? how can a film be objectively someones best?
@@jumpedintheriverwhatdidise5499 objective in the general sense of me trying to leave out some of the personal enjoyment and relationship I have with the film. Of course it’s all subjective in terms of taste and what you get from it.
Haven’t watched this yet (am about to) but...
Get out the cannons and start firing away at the peanut gallery!! Lol.
Gee, do I smell Darren Aronofsky somewhere in the building? Or is that too obvious. 😊🙃
Lars Von Trier. His films aren't " art " they are simply bad. 💤
I think Chris Nolan's movies can become obnoxious to cinephiles because his characters spend so much time explaining the themes of the movie. A great director usually implies themes visually rather than relying on heavy handed dialogue, and they just trust the audience to "get it": Nolan loves telling the audience how smart his themes are. In this way, Nolan is up his own ass as much as Quentin Tarantino is, but when Tarantino is up his own ass, at least it's fun.
Very well said, and I completely agree. Even if objectively speaking Tarantino's films are not all that great, they are at least very fun and rewatchable. But with Nolan, he seems to flex how smart he is with his creative ideas and just leaves it at that without ever telling a comprehensive story.
I think Tarantino's movies are fun in that age when you wear t-shirts with some disgusting metalcore band and other teenage jackass stuff, but some people grow up. Quentin didn't. And I think so didn'rmt his audience. It's just like when someone adult sais that his favourite movie franchise is the one with target audience 12yo kids...
Could your disconnect with Scorsese’s gangster films be generational? If so i I find this both valid and interesting. I’m 50 and can’t imagine a world without them and to me some of the most rewachable films. But I totally understand them losing some of there relevance through modern eyes. Still love em though.
I love both Nolan movies and this channel 🙂
Same!
It amazes me that hardly anyone criticizes Kubrick, as if he is somehow off-limits. He was enormously talented, but far from perfect (Quentin Tarantino is another). I definitely have my gripes with Nolan, but I'm just so thankful that someone like him exists in the current cinematic climate.
I think it's largely because his fans tend to be some of the most aggressive and pretentious people to ever walk the earth, and they will just shit on anyone who tries to suggest that his films aren't perfect. A lot of directors have these kind of rabid fans but from what I've observed, Kubrick fans are far and away the worst of the bunch.
Kubrick and Nolan are on entirely different levels.I'm not the biggest Kubrick fan (although I do love The Shining and Barry Lyndon), but at least his films are... I don't know how to say it. Enjoyable? Well balanced? Watching a Nolan movie you feel like the movie is screaming "see how clever I am" as often as possible. Technically his movies are well-done, but they feel so try-hard. Nolan spent so much time trying to work out his concept in Inception, but everything else is so damn boring and uninteresting. Which makes the whole point moot. You'd think the story at least would be decent. I couldn't care less about it. And the action sequences were so damn uninteresting. You couldn't see anything in gunfights The music is quite distracting too. I can't stand Hans Zimmer. It feels like the music tries to tell you how to feel, rather than supporting the rest of the movie in making you actually feel that way. I don't know, every time I think about Inception I get annoyed. Again, you need some kind of skill to have made that movie. But you can be the best guitarist on a technical standpoint, yet that doesn't mean you can write an exciting riff to save your life!
@@spearheadbt9601 Well, you're certainly entitled to that opinion, even if I disagree on most of your points. Nolan's style clearly isn't for you and thats completely fine.
@@spearheadbt9601 You make valid points. I agree with a lot of what you're saying about Nolan. To me, he's a filmmaker who likes to make puzzles for the audience to solve rather than telling an emotionally-engaging story.
I like your channel.You give actual knowledge and information about movies actors and directors.You does not make shitty videos for views likes and subscriptions unlike other channels cough cough Watchmojo.
I get not liking Nolan, and I mostly agree with the criticisms laid against him. I still really like every movie he’s made, and I love The Prestige. I would say his style is a weird mix of Spielberg’s kinetic editing with Kubrick’s cold, detached camera. The emotions often don’t work, but the filmmaking and the creativity always work for me.
Scorsese’s gangster movies are overrated. His non-gangster movies are underrated. Bringing Out the Dead, After Hours, Silence, Last Temptation of Christ, his music documentaries, Shutter Island, etc… great stuff. I also love The Irishman because it felt to me more of an exploration of aging, time, and regret rather than Goodfellas part 3.
Imo David Fincher should’ve got the type of praise back in the day that Nolan Gets now
I like to talk about things I love rather than things I hate. Even though I hate films that lack characters that emotionally involve me & non-linear time, Dunkirk broke my rules. But I loved it. I also thought Paths Of Glory was visually powerful B&W. Griffith's, Birth Of A Nation, even with its moral faults, revolutionized cinema as much as Citizen Kane did. And the directors I am currently looking forward to are Denis Villenueve (Arrival was brilliant) & John Krasinski (A Quiet Place is the most inventive thriller I have ever seen). That's my 2 cents worth.
I was gonna say Christopher Nolan lol, I love inception I think that’s his best film for sure.
Inception is 100% his best. I'm pretty over Nolan's brand of cinema though, I haven't liked his last couple of films.
Imo his best film is memento by a long shot
@UCUyweB76gT0gmVeZmuNqm6A Dunkirk was a disgraceful piece of shit. It made me sick how disrespectful it was to the soldiers who died in the war. It made me hate Nolan as a person.
do underrated directors!!
tarantino for me
Spike Lee ridiculously overrated. The only people who like his films are WOKE NYU film students.
He's a great filmmaker but his personal, sociopolitical, and racial views tend to overshadow everything he makes (i.e. Blackkklansman).
My favorite phrase from a movie review was from the great Stanley Kauffman describing (I believe the Royal Tanenbaums but definitely an early Wes Anderson movie) as "herniated novelty." Perfect encapsulation of his whole career imo. I actually do like David Fincher but I don't see him as a particularly great film stylist. It's like it's impossible these days to just be good...you're either a genius or you suck. Fincher's good...not a genius though.
I have hated/disliked Tenet, Dunkirk and Dark Knight Rises. I have absolutely fell in love with almost all the rest of Nolan's movies. He is truly one of a kind. He makes big budget blockbusters which fall into a genre not even tried by most others where he mixes philosophy, sci-fi, emotion, a bit of cheeky comedy and all with sky high ambitions. The people who think his movies lack emotion haven't allowed themselves to fully immerse in his stories.
Dunkirk was so disrespectful to what happens in real life. It actually makes me sick how people like the movie. Heck even war veterans said it was good. It pissed me off. First of all why tell a real life event in the wrong order. Secondly in the war Dunkirk was blown to the ground but in the film it looks fine. Finally why are there only like 200 soldiers on the beach when in reality there were 400,000. Nolan was scared to use CGI or use camera tricks so he is just lazy in that regard. Nolan is a truly despicable man who's ego is through the roof. He has no care for anyone els but his own ‘passion’ and people still continue to fuel his ego by watching his terrible movies
Can you do underrated directors next
@@davideoliveirapinheiro1096 havent heard of him would i know anything hes directed
*Woody Allen.*
Zack Snyder is overrated
the concept overrated is connected to awards - oscars/golden globes - therefore the viewing public are influenced by what is chosen - films that go under the radar have hugely talented directors so this is very subjective and also there is a bias - blockbusters michael bere hate them so i guess i think he is overrated but in comprison to who
Nolan hasn't really won anything major and yet his haters call him overrated.
I was surprised to see Gaspar Noe on the list. I only see a few of his films. Into the Void was like being on drugs.
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Some of the best directors in existence would kill to have just one of Kubrick's films under their belt. Kubrick is so highly respected, even adored, among his peers that the notion of him being "overrated" is just laughable.
Honestly Michael Bay. From the shitty yellow tint in all his movies to the dumb lens flares I can’t stand ANY of it. If you ever have a migraine and feel like making it much worse throw on a transformers movie or the island or some shit.
Christopher Nolan, Terrence Malick, and Quentin Tarantino
Malick has one of the most overrated movies of all time
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I think if you didn't have Stanley Kubrick there would be no Christopher Nolan, which to some extent, Nolan owes a major debt to him. I don't agree with most of your list, as overrated can be a tad subjective. I think someone could accuse Orson Welles of the same thing that Kubrick did too. So, I think overrated becomes deep subjective and monotonous to an argument that doesn't represent every single person's view. I think we attack more artistic visions because they are willing to make mistakes, too, in there genius. Sometimes execution doesn't always come out the same way people see it as. I love David Lynch, but people hate him too. I think without many of the directors who took the step to make there vision, there wouldn't be cinema or any artistic expression left to talk about. To endlessly deride the past, present, or future doesn't make people smart, but I have liked a lot of films that have never been nominated for Oscars too. I think many of examples you mentioned also have been wildly successful, too. I mean, everyone knows that Ewe Bowel is one of the worst directors of all time, but even so, he wanted to make his vision the way he wanted to. At least he saw video games as the next form of cinema, and Paul WS Anderson's Resident Evil series, was imaginative in the sense that it was willing to play around with a beloved game franchise but still make it palatable to people who didn't understand the game series. I know this is long, but I think this is a topic that can't be approached from a objective point of view. We all have our favorites, and nobody has to share the same opinions twice.
I think I used to think like this, but once you create art, you start to understand that people have there own vision, and people see something that I didn't see, too.
David Lynch
You can't say everything You want about Christopher Nolan, but the man has create some of the most original and entertaining blockbuster of our century.
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This title made me nervous. Im sure a few of my favorite directors are among the most derided. Liking Guy Ritchie and Zack Snyder films for example hasn't made me many critic friends.
Christopher Nolan tries to mask how soulless his movies are with complexity. Or he’s confused depth with complexity.
Thank you Reddy!!!
Movies should tell a story, not do a mathematical quiz / class.
Christopher Nolan has made two good films in my opinion: Memento and The Prestige. When his movies are limited in budget and scope, he's forced to make something decent. When he can go anywhere he wants, he immediately goes up his own ass and that describes most of his catalog. Beyond making films that are trying to look and sound way more profound, intelligent and impactful than they are, there's his drab color palette and his brutal over-reliance on music. Nonstop, droning soundtracks that completely overwhelm and displace any of the visual tools to establish and shift the tone of a story that better directors utilize.
Anyone who thinks Kubrick is overrated is not someone whose opinions on film you should take seriously.
No such thing as overrated. Either they're good or bad or ok.
If Kubrick had only made Barry Lyndon, he would be a great film maker. Barry Lyndon is in my top 5 personal films of all time along with Fargo, Amelie ,All About Eve and The Wild Strawberries. Clamoring for position is 8 1/2, Rashomon, Tokyo Story, Fanny And Alexander and too many others to list.
Nolan films are beautiful
Eyes wide shut to me was not about sex obsession. It was really about how ordinary people live with ordinary lives among powerful people, thus the title "Eyes Wide Shut."
Its rather nice to know I'm not alone in not vibing with Christopher Nolan. In film school, he was the "new Tarantino" that everyone was obsessed with religiously and I just never got into him - his style feels choppy and not very cohesive - Don't like his cinematography, pacing, directing style and the emotion thats there feels forced yet still so lacking.
I clicked on this immediately just because I know whatever the list is, it's gonna make so many people so mad lolol
Surprised no one said Woody Allen. I really haven’t managed to connected with any of his films including the earlier ones.
Same. The only one I like and find myself coming back to every couple of years is Midnight in Paris.
Manhattan, Annie hall, Hannah and her sisters, match point, blue jasmine, midnight in Paris... and that’s just to name a few! Overrated?! It’s almost a laughable proposal
I dont want to disrespect any director but on the other hand my god there are so many bad actors its getting ridiculous
I'm new to your channel, and I love Cinema.and you are good, logically at breaking things down.
The problem is I think a lot of directors want to be filmmakers, but a lot of them fail. Wwhat do you think of filmmakers like Sam Peckinpah - if you have heard of him? Or Paul Verhoeven? Let me know, thank you.
'Decent,' yet still way overrated directors ... Denis Villeneuve, Steven Spielberg.
'Terrible,' yet still way overrated directors ... George Lucas, M. Night Shyamalan and Zack Snyder.
M. Night Shyamalan is one of the worst directors off the top of my head I can think of… awful
Lucas would not be overrated taken into account his movies were meant for kids :D The problem is when 40yolds claim its philosophical depth, complex universe and character development. Not to forget the epic dialogues...
Oh dear. Kubrick's _magnum opus_ which stands head and shoulders above everything else he did is _Dr. Strangelove._ None of the others are even close. Second best is _Lolita._
I agree with whoever said Griffith. Abel Gance is to him what Tesla was to Edison.
Kubrick is definitely overrated, and Spartacus is one of his best movies.