I'm with most commenters here, Claremont WAS the X-Men. My first issue was #169, and by the time the Phlanx x-over ended, I was done with the X-men. Until his brief returns.
This is big facts. The Jim Lee era, the Fox cartoon, and everything that's happened since in the mutant books have kind of obscured his legacy. Which is kind of ridiculous because Chris WAS X-Men. The mythology is his. Their popularity is his. The Wolverine mystique is his. And the deep dive on how he subtly instilled counter culture concepts and ideas into his readers has not been done.
I lost interest in X-Men after he left. He did an interview a year or so later where he talked about his plans: kill Wolverine with lady deathstrike ripping his heart out in x-men#2, resurrecting wolverine via the hand and bringing Logan back to the light in uncanny #300, and then Xavier having one last showdown with the ShadowKing and Xavier would have been killed in Uncanny #325. When he went back to where he left off with X-men forever I was salivating at seeing these storylines played out, but instead he went in an entire different direction. It was too bad because X-men forever would have been awesome had he stuck to his original plans.
I had high hopes for X-Men Forever, but something about it just didn't work for me. It seemed flat. I stuck with it through the end, hoping for that old spark, but it didn't have the same magic. Maybe Claremont tried too hard to differentiate the title from the main book, rather than just tell the stories he had planned. He immediately got rid of Wolverine, Switched Rogue and Kurt, added Sabretooth.....it was a lot of random ideas thrown together in fairly short period of time. I'm not sure if Tom Grummett was the right choice as artist.
@@paulreilly2304 , i totally agree. What they should have also done was bring back his old editors to tell him when he had bad ideas. I also felt He was trying so hard to do something “different”, that Xmen forvever wasnt what it should or could have been.
I also stopped reading, not just the X-Books, but comics in general for a good long time after Claremont's departure. It wasn't immediate. But things weren't the same. When all the guys who Marvel had kind of catered to (kicking Louise Simonson off New Mutants, Claremont off X-Men, etc.) left to go found Image I was kind of disgusted by Marvel and I found the vast majority of the guys' Image books to be godawful. Slowly I just stopped going to pick up my pulls until I just didn't care any more. I eventually came back to indies. But I didn't come back to Marvel or X-Men until this recent Hickman run and the Immortal Hulk started.
I'm with most commenters here, Claremont WAS the X-Men. My first issue was #169, and by the time the Phlanx x-over ended, I was done with the X-men. Until his brief returns.
Claremont is the most underrated guy in pop culture today
This is big facts. The Jim Lee era, the Fox cartoon, and everything that's happened since in the mutant books have kind of obscured his legacy. Which is kind of ridiculous because Chris WAS X-Men. The mythology is his. Their popularity is his. The Wolverine mystique is his. And the deep dive on how he subtly instilled counter culture concepts and ideas into his readers has not been done.
I lost interest in X-Men after he left. He did an interview a year or so later where he talked about his plans: kill Wolverine with lady deathstrike ripping his heart out in x-men#2, resurrecting wolverine via the hand and bringing Logan back to the light in uncanny #300, and then Xavier having one last showdown with the ShadowKing and Xavier would have been killed in Uncanny #325.
When he went back to where he left off with X-men forever I was salivating at seeing these storylines played out, but instead he went in an entire different direction. It was too bad because X-men forever would have been awesome had he stuck to his original plans.
To this day things that Claremont WOULD have done are canon in my mind, not whatever bullshit all of these random writers have done over the years.
I had high hopes for X-Men Forever, but something about it just didn't work for me. It seemed flat. I stuck with it through the end, hoping for that old spark, but it didn't have the same magic.
Maybe Claremont tried too hard to differentiate the title from the main book, rather than just tell the stories he had planned.
He immediately got rid of Wolverine, Switched Rogue and Kurt, added Sabretooth.....it was a lot of random ideas thrown together in fairly short period of time. I'm not sure if Tom Grummett was the right choice as artist.
@@paulreilly2304 , i totally agree. What they should have also done was bring back his old editors to tell him when he had bad ideas. I also felt He was trying so hard to do something “different”, that Xmen forvever wasnt what it should or could have been.
I also stopped reading, not just the X-Books, but comics in general for a good long time after Claremont's departure. It wasn't immediate. But things weren't the same. When all the guys who Marvel had kind of catered to (kicking Louise Simonson off New Mutants, Claremont off X-Men, etc.) left to go found Image I was kind of disgusted by Marvel and I found the vast majority of the guys' Image books to be godawful. Slowly I just stopped going to pick up my pulls until I just didn't care any more. I eventually came back to indies. But I didn't come back to Marvel or X-Men until this recent Hickman run and the Immortal Hulk started.
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