Quit drinking alcohol was easy; quitting Dofus is way harder. I always play for a while, forget about it, then eventually come back. Your channel is tempting me to start a new "overdose".
Altough you mentioned you did not add damage to the ranking variables, I would say it should be the AOE damage (splash damage) skill of a character is very important in solo playing, due to its ability to clear multiple mobs easier and without having much of a trouble, therefore the opposite of that spectrum is single target damage output, such as yopuk that are one of the top classes for hard bosses and big health mobs
Been loving your content dude I just recently jumped back on Dofus again for the 1000th time, been playing on and off for around 18 years now, I don’t think I’ll ever fully stop to be honest 😂
This pinned comment will include all changes I make to the results based on your feedback. I will grant Ougi 1 point for pushing spells. There is 1 chance CC spell that I missed that pushes 2 cells. Also the variant of Pursuit does push enemies back although its not worth picking over the +2 mp spell Pursuit. As for tailing this spell will count towards mobility and map manipulations as it not only pushes but also pulls Ougi close to the enemy. With this change Ougi will end up with 15 points but will remain in 10th place on the list. I will also give 3pts instead of 2 to Sadi for Mp buffs. This will bring Sadi to to 14 pts and10th place equal to Ouginak.
@@eslixgaming756 Fluctuation, but the whole category is flawed. Its redundant. Mp Buff is just another (not very good) form of mobility. Doesn't make much sense to make two categories out of it. Same goes for deducting points for being melee and at the same time giving points for having ranged spells... its redundant.
@@domovoi_butler nah, its not redundant. Theres a thought process behind it that I perhaps didnt explain well enough in the video because it would have been a 1h+ video if you want me to explain 16 years of experience. Thanks for pointing this out tho. Will have a look at it and might give Sac +1 pt. As for giving classes pts for range while being CC I did explain that part in the video in case you skipped to the end.
@@eslixgaming756 And I play for 13 years without break... and? The game changed so much, many things we learned in the past don't hold true anymore. And saying "well I didn't include it cause it would be to long, but it has a reason, which I still won't tell you, but believe me, cause I play for a long time" is very cheap. Sorry to put it so bluntly, but it's not a good argument.
Just came back to Dofus, but there's A LOT of new things for me... Can you do general tutorial about current state of items... Sidekicks? Trophies? Idols? ... Like not really beginner guide, but intermediate one, would be helpful!
I mean about that mid game, what's going on there... Just found there's daily quests which gives 40k kamas, maybe info about pets, dofuses and other information based on mid game.
Hi. I probably covered some of those things in my how to play dofus in 2023 video. As for items check out Dofuslab.io website. Sidekicks will change next update better wait for that or check the changelog.
@@TheBestDvG also join the Echo pvm discord. Alot of helpful people in there aswell as alot of information. And if there is something more specific you want to know its more easier to answer.
Buffs are now self buffs aswell right? Id say Eni can rank up like 6 or 7 points it would be up there in 6th or 7th place. But in team aspect id say Enis would drop down cuz buffs are worse for allies.
I do understand the criteria you choosed and this was a nice video, but I feel is really wrong with some classes. I can’t comment all of them because are so many, but few things I want to mention to let you understand my point. You start the video explaining this is for solo play. After watch the video I think you completely miss lvls 1-199, were people gonna spend an insane amount of time if they start from 0 and play the game normal, without leeching etc. Sacrier, is literally a god and the most broken character BY FAR on those levels, and is actually something everybody can tell you with a bit of experience in the game. Does he’s struggle later on at 200 in some dungeons? Yes, but still a class with an insane damage, good mobility, amazing AoE mid distance (chance), tanky as hell and more sustain than anybody in the game, so I understand even less giving him 2 point on life steal so, putting him on the bottom for me is completely wrong, is literally the most recommended class for any beginner. Cra is also the second best 1-199 and on 200 still performs great and is the best character in the game for solo farming, which is something people will need. Both have the advantage of being so easy and can do a lot of content by themself that other classes just can’t. Long range Sadida 0, this clearly shows some of the classes you spoke about, you don’t really know them, as you set, you just checked the website, but you don’t know them. Some of the most basic spells from Sadi are really long range, and potentially at higher levels with more AP, Trees, and Infection they literally have the whole map available to hit you. Xelor was probably the most wrong one, I mean, his staple spells are 1-6/1-8 modifiable (Cog, Hand, Shrivelling, Frostbite) and others with 1-6 or more, modifiable too, hits over 30 dmg like Petrification and Temporal Dust, this last one is even 3 cells circle AoE and with mummification and 25 hours, you can hit AoE a lot of turns. On top of that, you putted a 0 on buff cause he doesn’t have buff damage, but did you consider all his AP buff ends doing more damage? Because is literally the same for pvm. And finally push spells 0, Xelor is the class in the game with more mobility and the second one with more and better positioning, he can be anywhere in the map anytime and move mobs or allies as well, he literally can do whatever he wants about moving him or others only surpassed by Panda.. He doesn’t have push, that’s right, but he’s tool set is better than ANY push spell. Would you say is better a push spell than Panda positioning with karcham? This is the same xD Xelor sucks as solo pvm for many reasons, I’m not pretending to say he’s very good, because still one of the worst for solo, but I wanted to explain this. Regarding the Masq, you mentioned Agular as something meeh. Is a 2-8 modifiable spell, 30-34 circle of two cells AoE, is like explosive arrow of Cra, it has all the factor to be consider as a top range spell in the game, you can play all day long as a range class if you want as Agi hitting hard and AoE, so I don’t think 1 point is right. Feca chance is literally like a Cra, he can hit you across the whole map, putting 3 to Panda and 2 to Feca doesn’t make any sense. And finally Ougi with 0 life steal, like, what? Xd his main spell used from turn 1 to the end, prey, give you life steal + his other life steal spell + his shields, he can survive almost like a Sacrier. This are the most noticeable thing I saw in the video, I also gonna mention, not having the damage in consideration is wrong. Saying all the classes makes rafly the same damage, is not true, and the more damage you make per turn, less risk of die you have. Damage in Dofus is super important. Overall the idea of taking the main abilities as a criteria is good, but, without context of specific spells (like agular from Masq or the “0 push” of Xelor) of every class I think ends with a bad result. Sacrier being one of the worst still kills me xD Please don’t take comment as a aggressive rant, I liked the video and I do like the content, I hope this is taken as just an opinion.
Hi, thank you for your feedback. I will try to answer all of the points you mentioned. Starting out with your comment about me not knowing some classes. I did mention this in the video. The classes I didnt know everything about were Sadi Osa and Xelor. This is because they got changed a million times in the 15 years I play Dofus. Other than that I can safely say my game knowledge is good enough to say that this tierlist is pretty accurate and so far nobody could prove me otherwise with actual arguments based on the abilities instead of just commenting with ''i think class x should be higher up because its a good class.'' Also, your comment about me missing out on 1-199 levels is completely wrong since I mentioned viability on lower levels compared to higher levels multiple times and I did take this into consideration. First of all, sacrier. Saying Sacrier is a ''god'' is kind of an overexaggeration. It still remains a CC class and you cant prove otherwise. Yes, early levels this doesnt really matter but early levels are less important than late gameplay ( after 150 ) since you will progress through early levels pretty quickly these days. Keep in mind this is a tierlist for SOLO play. CC classes will start to struggle pretty quickly once they reach higher levels especially for quest fights and dungeons. I also take into consideration not everybody has been playing the game for 10+ years and doesnt own 1 billion kamas to purchase 10 different sets for every occasion so therefore I need to look at what is generally possible using a class. You mentioned Dmg and AoE but I dont see those categories on the list. I mentioned why I didnt put dmg there because it didnt make sense. Maybe I should have put AoE in there wich would give Sac some extra points but it wouldnt rlly matter much because classes that are already on the top of the list would gain just as much points in this category. Pretty sure I gave Sac 2 pts for mobilty, 2pts for his tankyness aswell. Your comment; '' tanky as hell and more sustain than anybody in the game, so I understand even less giving him 2 point on life steal so, putting him on the bottom for me is completely wrong'' is funny because there is no way in hell Sac is more tanky than a Feca or a Panda when it comes to pvm. If I give Panda only 2 points ( Feca 3 obv ) then I think its funny you think I should give Sac 3. 2 points is fair, keep in mind I also gave 2 points for his life steal spells. So I once again ask you to tell me for what category exactly I should give Sac more points? You mentioned Cra should be 2nd best but literally gave no arguments why. Tell me in what category it should get more points. Your comment on Sadi range proves you didnt watch the video i guess since I gave Sadi 2 points for his range. Please be careful when saying I dont know my stuff because I have been playing this gave for 15 years. As for Xelor, the reason I gave him 0 points in buffs is because I did not count AP buffs for this, only mp and power buffs. And the reason why I didnt give more than 1 point for range is because you are usually close to enemies in order to cause telefrags. Yes you are right Xelor has some spells that are long range and modifiable but Xelors should still remain generally close to enemies to cause telefrags to gain the dmg buff. If you wanna play Xelor from range you are not using it to its full potential and you might aswell just use a Cra. You mentioned mobility as a big factor, man I gave him 3 points what do you want? More? Also gave 3 points for map manipulation. So, unless you want me to give him 1 extra points for his range theres not much more I can do. ''Regarding the Masq, you mentioned Agular as something meeh.'' What is this comment? Tell me where in the video I said this. You want me to give Masq more than 1 point for range when all they have is one range spell per element? That has to be a joke and it wouldnt be fair to other classes. Imagine playing an agility Masq from range and all you have is 1 single dmg spell.......Masqs are CC classes just look at their spells. As someone who plays Masq literally every single day I can say theres no way they deserve more than 1 point for their range. Regarding Fecas range proves your view on spells isnt based on facts but rather on your own opinion. You compared Fecas chance build range to Pandas. I gave Panda 3 points because at least 2 entire builds, chance and agi are long range. Int is medium range and str aswell although its more focussed towards CC. Feca only has a chance build that has long range since int is more medium range and both agi and str are CC. Please tell me again why you think Feca should get 3 points in range compared to a Panda..... it doesnt make sense at all. And what is the comment you made about Ougi life steal I literally gave him 3 points for that. Please watch the video again before commenting. As a conclusion I have to say I would like you to revise your comment and watch the video again. You made alot of mistakes in your comment regarding the results of the video saying I gave a class 0 points even though I gave them like 2 or 3 points and therefore your arguments are invalid. If you want me to place a certain class higher on the list, please make a brief comment stating the class, ability and what amount of points you want me to give it with a solid argument because as I mentioned in the video aswell as in the pinned comment I do take this seriously and I will change the results if people actually give solid arguments. So far I have only change Ougi's results based on the comments I have gotten so I would say this tierlist is pretty accurate. -Eslix.
@@eslixgaming756 Hi Eslix, first of all thanks for reply. I'll try to answer everything, I don't know if you took my previous coments as a rant but feels like. I hope wasn't, I promise it is not the intention, I just love debating about the game. Saying Sacrier is a god 1-199 is not an overxagerration, is true, you need 0 help with him to solo content an insane amount of quest and dungeons just by his own, something a lot of classes just can't, solo farming better than anybody (or on pair with Cra) by his own during a lot of levels, including 200, not needing kamas to spend on recover health after fights and many times having 0 risk of die. High levels dungeons being CC is thrash, I know that, but 1-199, as you set, for someone starting without a billion kamas, will not level up quick as you set even if questing this days makes it easier than before. You set your list doesn't include AoE, well, that's one of the mistakes in my opinion, you not including something that important where Sacrier is really good, you say doesn't really matter, but is completely untrue, the difference between having a good AoE reliable spell makes your path completely different, way faster and way easier, however you not considering this, fine I guess. "Sac is no way in hell more tanky than Feca or Panda", well on practice is true, you are right, nothing to say about Feca, I forgot him, but, you don't want to count Agular to give more points to Masq on range section, but you want to count Panda as one of the most tankies class in the game when the class is pure based on a set with 50% resis, fair enough? I don't think so. I didn't mention anything about Cra because if you have been playing 15 years it shouldn't be necessary to tell you how freaking good he is overall any level. Not as good as others at 200, and this is what I feel when you, and other people that has been playing for a lot of years do, just thinking about all the lv200 content and ignoring all the previous, and at 200 Cra still really good for to many reasons. Again, always thinking, as you set, for people who starts. Regarding Sadi, I watched the video and I keep saying his range is 3 points, literally all his staples are 1-7 or 1-8 modifiable + the poison and the tree makes him effective from almost anywhere, can't see why he should have two while Panda 3. About Masq, you didn't set Agular is bad or something like that, but the tone was "oh yea agular, they have that" not giving the importance that spell has, if it was my bad missunderstanding Im sorry. You saying you not gonna give him more than 1 point on range just because the spell of a single build, cool. Apathy is 2-8, Ponteira is 1-7, Apostasy 1-7 modifiable, Brincaderia 2-7 modifiable, Picada 2-6 modifiable no line of sight. So, I can't see that "only one spell". I play Masq everyday too, they shine the most as CC class, you right, but if you want to play range not only you can, is also quite decent, specially as Agi, and yes, why not consider a class good on something only if one element can do it? Who cares if chance Feca is the only one who can play ranged? Literally 90% of the Fecas I found in Draconiros are chance, the character can do it, the "only one element" is just an excuse to give more credit to your criteria from my view. And last one, Xelor, I didn't complain about the 3 points you gave him on mobility and map manipulation, that's why I spoke about the "context". You putted him 0 on push, and yeah, on paper he doesn't have push spells, you just ignoring spontaneus return and frostbite (+ some others), spells that works same or even better than pushing spells, but you don't wanna count them because they are not purely push same as you don't want to count AP buff like a damage buff when at the end, is exactly for the same purpose, make more damage, and that's exactly what Xelor does when he gets more AP, more damage, same as any class with power buff. 0 sense sorry. Regarding telefrags and him having to be close. Definitely you not gonna play Xelor without telefrags, but with mummification and later on with 25 hour and embalming you can be all day long from far as Int or Chance hitting causing telefrags a lot of turns without risking yourself close, which is by the way how I've been playing him as a main character for years having way more succes than being close combat making telefrags with the common spells taking a lot of risk and damage from mobs (xelor punch, disruption, temporal distortion etc). So yes, I think is wrong giving him 1 points almost like a CC class, having a potential to play long range and hitting really hard with petrification or temporal dust + hand and cog so I would definitely give at least 1 on buff and minimum 1 on range or 1 on push. Xelor will suck forever anyways. If you analazyse all the classes just on the surfaces, your video is super accurate, but on practice things can be very different depending the element of your class and I think that has to be consider, but requires a more deep investigation and a list pointing specifics, otherwise not knowing the game, reading "Xelor is always close combat" not wanting to play close, maybe skip the class even if he wanted to try just because that person want to play range, this is just an example. I hope that makes sense. I've been playing this game since 1.29 btw, not consistenly, but easily few thousand hours, I think playing 15 years is not an argument to be right, but just for let you know, I'm not a new player too.
@@GrayStudioYT I totally agree that there are alot more points that should be considered when making a tierlist like this but it is nearly impossible to do so. As someone who played this game for over 15 years I can talk for HOURS about every single aspect and come up with something alot more accurate but would people watch that? Probably not XD I like how you invested time to comment with more specific explanations, thats what this channel is all about, helping eachother. At first I just wanted to make a ''classic'' tierlist video just like the other pvm tierlist but then I would lean more towards my own opinion instead of facts. I would put Cra in S tier if it was for me. Then I came up with this idea of making a point system based on abilities. But even though its not perfect it still gives a very accurate list of the order of the classes. Its very easy to give a class 3 points for something they are very good at like giving 3 points to Cra for range is a no brainer. Giving 0 points if they dont have something isnt too hard either. But deciding between giving either 1 or 2 points for a spell thats the hardest part because thats when you start to lean more towards opinions instead of facts. I hope people read this conversations and can make up their own opinion and decide what class they want to play. -Eslix
@@eslixgaming756 Thanks once again, I do understand why you did the video this way, it was a pleasure to speak about. I still think the video is fantastic and overall the content of the channel too. Very informative and deeper than usual channels, that's something I personally aprecciate, I'm one of those guys who want to watch a really long video speaking about Dofus in this case, but yep, you right, 90% doesn't want that xD Keep it up and good luck!
@@eslixgaming756 in dungeons i think it's not a big issue to be melee, but i can see where you are coming from on this point. however on the matter of quest fights i very much disagree with the statement that melee classes struggle. sacrier and huppermage are literally two of the most excellent classes for that, and many ranged classes without survivability struggle a lot. when people get stuck on hard questfights its always the cras and enus and other ranged classes. most prominent examples being: - the Plants vs. Veriun Dead questfight - slobberpuss fight - 6/6 endfight but there are many many more solo questfights where long ranged classes often get stuck on. And don't even get me started on the myriad of questfights that are supposed to be group fights but classes that can jump across the map like sacrier or elio can solo them with ease. Sacrier, Elio, Hupper, Panda are literally THE best classes for solo questing. The assumption that melee classes struggle in dungeons is very outdated. It only prevails on the Mono-account-server. But not because a melee team performs worse in a dungeon, but because it's easier to coordinate with randoms, when you are playing ranged. That is not a challenge by the game, but instead by the special format of that server. However even if its just because of the special format of the server, it still poses an issue that is existing, so that's why i can see where you are coming from on that point.
Well, a nice video thats for sure. But it makes me unsure which classes to pick. Coming back to Dofus 2 after playing the first Dofus around 2007. Back in the day I played Sadi and Ecaflip. At the moment I try to build me a team of 4 if I have to grind and level solo and can´t really decide which classes to pick. Last idea was Panda (Chance?), Feca (Chance), Ecaflip (Int) and Forgelance (Agi) but I´m unsure if this works out. And even when it´s working out I´m unsure which one of these should be my main charakter for playing with randoms or guildmembers (when I finally found a guild). What do you guys think about this team? Do I need Strength/Earthdamage in my team? Do I need MP Red? And if yes, which classes would you recommend for MP Red or Earthdamage and which of my 4 should I skip so that would fit with my remaining 3 classes`?
Hi, if you want to play dmg Panda then I suggest Mp Red Enu. If you dont want an Mp red class then I suggest to play tank build on Panda. But thats usually only viable endgame. Early game you can manage without mp red or tank. The classes you mentioned are good classes indeed but like you said, you might lack earth dmg. You could choose to make Feca str early game since chance is only good after 180. Or choose something else for Forgelance but I assume you want to play it cuz its the newest class. In the end you wanna play whats fun. As for choosing a ''main''. You only need a main if you want to focus achievements on that single acc. I suggest Panda cuz its one of the easiest classes for solo quest fights and you avoid needing to class change or ask for help 24/7. But if you do that, you are kinda forced to get multiple sets for Panda. ( tank & dmg )
Sometimes yes but it highly depends on what you are fighting. I used to be an Iop main and switch to Cra because Iop had too much trouble in solo quest fights that required you to stay on range. Now I play Panda and its defenitely ALOT better for solo play than an Iop.
@@eslixgaming756 sure panda everything. I genuinely pretend they don't exist 🤣. It's like, I KNOW there's an easy mode button, I just refuse to press it even if I die more lol
This is great to help people starting out, but it does not really reflect a lot about the endgame classes imo. many things are not really considered here, for example, as a sram I can avoid many penalities and makes it perfect for solo dungs, or overall do a lot of challanges with idols thanks to poisons. and sacrier although it does not have invulnerability spells, he can tank a lot thanks to his passive plus his buffs and health regen. rogue for example with bombs and knowledge can play with the ai to his advantage and so on another thing is not all classes have similar dmg, I tested many and no matter what you do, some classes will have much better dmg overall great video, especially to help people out in the beginning, but I think it would bennefit from a few more "abilities" that are unique to each class, and maybe for some classes do exceptions between stats because like i said, agi sram is way different than the others.
When you start out gear isnt as important because you usually outlevel it too quick. Starting out agi on lower levels is pretty nice as agi equips are the strongest at lv 30-60. Later on you could choose whatevery you like. All 4 elements are equally strong on Elio.
@@HAMKOFF Why would you want to solo all dungs? Dungeons are not ment to be done solo. But if you do want to solo them Elio would be the best class in the game probably.
hey, great video, it help me ! I have a question for you, I haven't played for years but I still have my feca lv 199, I would like to start over but I'm afraid there are few things to do in terms of solo player, am I wrong? will i have necessarily look for a guild ?
Hi, welcome back. There are tons of things to do as a solo player. Just dont rush to 200 is always my main advice. Maybe even consider starting over with a fresh character if you havent played in a long time. A guild could help to get some help but joining the Echo pvm discord would be even more helpful for you to get advice or help from alot of players.
Hi, thanks for the feedback. However since this is the only pushback ''spell'' a Sadi has I dont think I will give a point just for the fact its a summon with a cooldown of 4 turns. I did however gave Sadi 2 points for map manipulation. I think thats fair.
MP buff (steal) is pretty good for sadida. Maybe a 3? Summon gives three and two spells shake and aggressive bramble also give MP. MP reductions is so good on sadida as well.
Hey nice video. I have played the game on and off since back in 2005 i belive with my sister :) got alot of good mamories. but it has always been f2p and never progressed anything. just made new characters all over and having fun as a f2p. but im still on and off alot and my highest character is lvl 130 IOP. i want to one day have a max lvl character but im not sure what i shuld aim to level as my first 200. i almost all the time play solo, and not eaven with multi accounts. so watching this i wonder if i shuld try to make a feca or panda to aim for a first 200, any advice or a struggeling old player with little knowlegde in the game (despite playing on and off alot)
Hi. Tbh a Panda can do all content very easily. For questing its the best class and its super easy to find groups. Dmg pandas are also very nice since the latest changes so you dont have to always play tank.
I know you say osamodas is bad and the tier list surely reflects that but i always find myself thinking about playing one and ive played one in the past. Could you go more in depth as to why theyre really bad? Ive seen osamodas solo dungeons and i see people with max achievements on the leaderboards with them? Whether they were osa or swapped after idk. What im asking is does it really matter if i wanted to be an osa could i play one anyways? Or is it really that bad? Im returning to the game after about a year off
Ofc you can play what you want and if thats osa then go for it. There are not many Osas on the leaderboard with Max achievements and if there are any they surely arent solo acc players. They usually have a team and probably class changed a couple of times for certain achievements / quests. The reason I strongly believe Osas are bad at endgame is because summons arent that usefull compared to early game. Enemies at lv 200 pretty much 1 shot your summons and you willl be on cooldown without summons on the field.
@@eslixgaming756 Thankyou for the insight sadly ive tried the 4 man team thing and im not a huge fan, i much prefer to play just one toon, id love that toon to be good at solo play and group play but it’s so hard to decide.. when i look at osa i feel i could play agility solo and int in a team? Osa always been my favourite 😕 is there a possibility of it working with really good gameplay?
@@callumboddy5122 agi solo and int for team would indeed be best. If you can only choose 1 then go agi i think altho im not that much of an osa veteran. Are you not interested in any other class?
@@eslixgaming756 yea i’d get the agi set first as ill be solo most of the time 😜.. Yea ive played every class on and off for 10 years i used to have a team of 8 then 4 now i only want to play one ha. So yes i have tried every class and Osa seems to be my class ya know when all roads lead back to one, thats osa for me
@@eslixgaming756 yeah i saw it thanks, i also want to ask that im using the same dream team that you use (masq/panda/ougi/feca) is it better to play them all in agi or should i play masq str? i think its stronger but i saw that you use agi masq.
@@altayunsal3263 for normal pvm str masq is indeed better but for inifnite dreams ideally you wanna focus buying buffs in 1 element only. Agi is the best for that so yes, agi masq for dreams.
Bro My dofus is bugged, when I Open it and click on the launcher it just stays on that screen, I already uninstalled it and re downloaded but its just not opening, any tips on this??
@@marioluanlimalopes5246 I dont have that much good stuff to say about Sacs. But if you rlly like em try out Hammertune hammer maybe? It will get a buff in upcomming update. Maybe combine Sac with Agi Feca. Fumilating glyph is super strong it gives 20% more CC dmg. Feca can also be str/agi.
Leuk, kom je channel net tegen. Nederlander neem ik aan btw. Terugkerende speler, na bijna 15 jaar afwezigheid en moet alles opnieuw uitvinden haha. Heb een enu en sadida. Ga maar eens rustig filmpjes kijken over de huidige dofus 😊
Also, can you do this video but for teams? Currently running solo/duo but I want a 4-8 man team and I’m wondering what the most efficient combos would be 🥸
@@mellinas3004 Feca instead of Foggernaut probably, but both are about equally good. I just like Feca a bit more :P I play chance for range ( with class boots ) and agi or str/agi for CC. Omni works for CC aswell but less viable since Panda ( carry ) nerfs.
You are talking about the 1% of the top 1% of the player base who can manage to solo lv 200 dungs with a Xelor. Dont think thats a fair argument to put Xelor higher on the list is it? Cuz if thats your argument then any class can be nr 1 since Volca literally proved you can do pvm without class spells so it doesnt even matter what ur class is.
Sadida can summon a tree an it can push or pull every go and how have you not put sadida MP steals to 3 as they have Air spells that steal MP, Int spells that steal MP and a doll that does, sadida has like the most Mp steals in the game lol also sadida has a pain share spell where he takes alot less damage depending how many summons it has out also sadida has a spell that can Infinite buff summons HP by 25% keeping them alive alot longer , Iops can go range both Int and Air are range and they both Mp steal or erode and Iops can push or pull with 3 or more spells, an I disagree with you about MAsq range, the range spells are actually OP a range masq is very helpful alot of people actually use them, infact u would swop between close an long range in fights, great for pushing monsters away - range stealing - mp rape and ap rape from a distance, also masqs can shield from range too over a huge huge range Oh an Masqs have like 4 spells that heal but u also gave it 1 point :D, For me Fogger does have a Invulnerability spell where the turret actually takes the damage, Ougi has chance spells Tibia that does pushback damage and an int spell Woof that does 40 Pushback Resistance on enemys and a spell called tailing that pushes as well and a spell Hunt that pushes as well and a spell Panic there is actually a pushback build for ougi Lmao .... anyway great video this is just my views still great video :D
Hi, thank you for the feedback on the sadidas but I think you misunderstood the mp steal part. Mp reduction is not the same as mp steal. Mp steal means you remove mp from enemies and you gain the mp. And if you look at the chart I already gave sadi 2 points for the mp buff/steal abilities. And as for the tree that can push/pull, it is a summon with a 4 turn cooldown and it cannot be used every single turn and is therefore too situational. I wont give a point for that. As for Iops being able to play range i disagree with you on that. Yes, int has 2 spells that are range modifiable but one of them is liniair and one is only 2 ap low dmg. Dont forget the most important spell from the int build is a CC spell. I dont even see how you can say agi is range since its all leaning towards CC ( Zenith & Devine Sword for example ) and none of them are range modifiable. As for your push/pull comment, I only count push spells, not pull spells, pull spells count towards map manipulations and I already gave a point for that. As for the Masq, I agree it has some good range spells but its only 1 spell per element. Every other spell in the build is CC. ( Boliche, Biociara, Furia, Capering, Cavalcade, Ronda etc. All CC spells ) I dont understand your comment about the shielding from range because this tierlist is based on SOLO play, therefore spells like Tortoruga are basicly useless and I dont count them. Nevertheless I gave 3 points for shielding anyways. You also mentioned Masq have 4 heal spells, pls mention them because there is not a single spell that heals. Masq only has life steal spells ( 1 int every element ) and because those are CC spells I only gave 1 point. As for the foggernaut ''invu'' spell you mention I think you mean this one: ''The targeted allied Turret suffers close-combat damage instead of allies adjacent to it.'' I counted this for the shield/dmg reduction ability and gave Fogger 2 points for that as its not an actual invunerability spell like Feca & Panda have in my opinion. As for Ougi I will pin a comment and give Ougi 1 point for pushing spells. I did not know about the chance spell at all. However I will not count tailing as it also pulls Ougi closer after pushing the enemy, this is more leaning towards map manipulation. I am also not considering Panic because the variant Pursuit is way too good to not pick it, especially because Ougi is a CC build it needs the mp spells even more. I hope I covered all your points well. I will pin a comment with the +1 point I will give Ougis. Let me know what you think of my arguments. Happy with the feedback.
@@eslixgaming756 Im happy with what you said except masq can shield it's summon (which is a big part of masq) from range using it to lock enemy or staying out the way, as for sadida they do have 2 spells that gives MP - Aggressive Bram and Shake both can gain you a Hella alot of MP the only thing is it doesnt steal MP you just gain it, so I dont know if you would count them spells or not Oh and "And as for the tree that can push/pull, it is a summon with a 4 turn cooldown and it cannot be used every single turn and is therefore too situational. I wont give a point for that" It's every other go once it Max lvl (159) so it's not as bad as you think lol but other than that u cleared up a few things :D
@@MrAiAKAMarkb Glad you agreed mostly with my comment. I did gave Masq 3 pts in shielding so I guess nothing changes there right? As for Sadi, I might reconsider and give 1 point for pushing. If so ill add it to the pinned comment.
If you talking about solo quest fights only, then I agree with you. But this is a general pvm list so this is about pvm, dungs, quests, achievements etc.
Yes, but it has no affect on the results. With dmg reduction I mean dmg sustain. Back in the days it was called dmg reduction. Maybe that causes the confusion. Cra has no dmg sustain or shields so it gets no points for that.
@@fredericodarmstadter4408 Yes, once you get monsters in your face you gonna get clapped indeed. Btw, FYI I didnt take into consideration ap/mp reduction. Only slightly mp steal when it comes to mp buffing.
Been waiting for this before returning to Dofus! Thank you so much as always - love your videos!
Glad you liked it!
Quit drinking alcohol was easy; quitting Dofus is way harder. I always play for a while, forget about it, then eventually come back.
Your channel is tempting me to start a new "overdose".
Welcome to the group!
Altough you mentioned you did not add damage to the ranking variables, I would say it should be the AOE damage (splash damage) skill of a character is very important in solo playing, due to its ability to clear multiple mobs easier and without having much of a trouble, therefore the opposite of that spectrum is single target damage output, such as yopuk that are one of the top classes for hard bosses and big health mobs
Been loving your content dude I just recently jumped back on Dofus again for the 1000th time, been playing on and off for around 18 years now, I don’t think I’ll ever fully stop to be honest 😂
Same!
This pinned comment will include all changes I make to the results based on your feedback.
I will grant Ougi 1 point for pushing spells. There is 1 chance CC spell that I missed that pushes 2 cells. Also the variant of Pursuit does push enemies back although its not worth picking over the +2 mp spell Pursuit. As for tailing this spell will count towards mobility and map manipulations as it not only pushes but also pulls Ougi close to the enemy. With this change Ougi will end up with 15 points but will remain in 10th place on the list.
I will also give 3pts instead of 2 to Sadi for Mp buffs. This will bring Sadi to to 14 pts and10th place equal to Ouginak.
you do realize that sacrier has an mp buff, right?
@@domovoi_butler what is the spell called?
@@eslixgaming756 Fluctuation, but the whole category is flawed. Its redundant. Mp Buff is just another (not very good) form of mobility. Doesn't make much sense to make two categories out of it. Same goes for deducting points for being melee and at the same time giving points for having ranged spells... its redundant.
@@domovoi_butler nah, its not redundant. Theres a thought process behind it that I perhaps didnt explain well enough in the video because it would have been a 1h+ video if you want me to explain 16 years of experience. Thanks for pointing this out tho. Will have a look at it and might give Sac +1 pt. As for giving classes pts for range while being CC I did explain that part in the video in case you skipped to the end.
@@eslixgaming756 And I play for 13 years without break... and? The game changed so much, many things we learned in the past don't hold true anymore. And saying "well I didn't include it cause it would be to long, but it has a reason, which I still won't tell you, but believe me, cause I play for a long time" is very cheap. Sorry to put it so bluntly, but it's not a good argument.
Keep up the great work
Just came back to Dofus, but there's A LOT of new things for me... Can you do general tutorial about current state of items... Sidekicks? Trophies? Idols? ... Like not really beginner guide, but intermediate one, would be helpful!
I mean about that mid game, what's going on there... Just found there's daily quests which gives 40k kamas, maybe info about pets, dofuses and other information based on mid game.
Hi. I probably covered some of those things in my how to play dofus in 2023 video. As for items check out Dofuslab.io website.
Sidekicks will change next update better wait for that or check the changelog.
@@TheBestDvG also join the Echo pvm discord. Alot of helpful people in there aswell as alot of information. And if there is something more specific you want to know its more easier to answer.
In your opinion where would the updated Eniripsa sit in this tier list? Great video btw!
Buffs are now self buffs aswell right? Id say Eni can rank up like 6 or 7 points it would be up there in 6th or 7th place. But in team aspect id say Enis would drop down cuz buffs are worse for allies.
I do understand the criteria you choosed and this was a nice video, but I feel is really wrong with some classes. I can’t comment all of them because are so many, but few things I want to mention to let you understand my point.
You start the video explaining this is for solo play. After watch the video I think you completely miss lvls 1-199, were people gonna spend an insane amount of time if they start from 0 and play the game normal, without leeching etc.
Sacrier, is literally a god and the most broken character BY FAR on those levels, and is actually something everybody can tell you with a bit of experience in the game. Does he’s struggle later on at 200 in some dungeons? Yes, but still a class with an insane damage, good mobility, amazing AoE mid distance (chance), tanky as hell and more sustain than anybody in the game, so I understand even less giving him 2 point on life steal so, putting him on the bottom for me is completely wrong, is literally the most recommended class for any beginner.
Cra is also the second best 1-199 and on 200 still performs great and is the best character in the game for solo farming, which is something people will need. Both have the advantage of being so easy and can do a lot of content by themself that other classes just can’t.
Long range Sadida 0, this clearly shows some of the classes you spoke about, you don’t really know them, as you set, you just checked the website, but you don’t know them. Some of the most basic spells from Sadi are really long range, and potentially at higher levels with more AP, Trees, and Infection they literally have the whole map available to hit you.
Xelor was probably the most wrong one, I mean, his staple spells are 1-6/1-8 modifiable (Cog, Hand, Shrivelling, Frostbite) and others with 1-6 or more, modifiable too, hits over 30 dmg like Petrification and Temporal Dust, this last one is even 3 cells circle AoE and with mummification and 25 hours, you can hit AoE a lot of turns. On top of that, you putted a 0 on buff cause he doesn’t have buff damage, but did you consider all his AP buff ends doing more damage? Because is literally the same for pvm. And finally push spells 0, Xelor is the class in the game with more mobility and the second one with more and better positioning, he can be anywhere in the map anytime and move mobs or allies as well, he literally can do whatever he wants about moving him or others only surpassed by Panda.. He doesn’t have push, that’s right, but he’s tool set is better than ANY push spell. Would you say is better a push spell than Panda positioning with karcham? This is the same xD
Xelor sucks as solo pvm for many reasons, I’m not pretending to say he’s very good, because still one of the worst for solo, but I wanted to explain this.
Regarding the Masq, you mentioned Agular as something meeh. Is a 2-8 modifiable spell, 30-34 circle of two cells AoE, is like explosive arrow of Cra, it has all the factor to be consider as a top range spell in the game, you can play all day long as a range class if you want as Agi hitting hard and AoE, so I don’t think 1 point is right.
Feca chance is literally like a Cra, he can hit you across the whole map, putting 3 to Panda and 2 to Feca doesn’t make any sense.
And finally Ougi with 0 life steal, like, what? Xd his main spell used from turn 1 to the end, prey, give you life steal + his other life steal spell + his shields, he can survive almost like a Sacrier.
This are the most noticeable thing I saw in the video, I also gonna mention, not having the damage in consideration is wrong. Saying all the classes makes rafly the same damage, is not true, and the more damage you make per turn, less risk of die you have. Damage in Dofus is super important.
Overall the idea of taking the main abilities as a criteria is good, but, without context of specific spells (like agular from Masq or the “0 push” of Xelor) of every class I think ends with a bad result. Sacrier being one of the worst still kills me xD
Please don’t take comment as a aggressive rant, I liked the video and I do like the content, I hope this is taken as just an opinion.
Hi, thank you for your feedback. I will try to answer all of the points you mentioned. Starting out with your comment about me not knowing some classes. I did mention this in the video. The classes I didnt know everything about were Sadi Osa and Xelor. This is because they got changed a million times in the 15 years I play Dofus. Other than that I can safely say my game knowledge is good enough to say that this tierlist is pretty accurate and so far nobody could prove me otherwise with actual arguments based on the abilities instead of just commenting with ''i think class x should be higher up because its a good class.'' Also, your comment about me missing out on 1-199 levels is completely wrong since I mentioned viability on lower levels compared to higher levels multiple times and I did take this into consideration.
First of all, sacrier. Saying Sacrier is a ''god'' is kind of an overexaggeration. It still remains a CC class and you cant prove otherwise. Yes, early levels this doesnt really matter but early levels are less important than late gameplay ( after 150 ) since you will progress through early levels pretty quickly these days. Keep in mind this is a tierlist for SOLO play. CC classes will start to struggle pretty quickly once they reach higher levels especially for quest fights and dungeons. I also take into consideration not everybody has been playing the game for 10+ years and doesnt own 1 billion kamas to purchase 10 different sets for every occasion so therefore I need to look at what is generally possible using a class. You mentioned Dmg and AoE but I dont see those categories on the list. I mentioned why I didnt put dmg there because it didnt make sense. Maybe I should have put AoE in there wich would give Sac some extra points but it wouldnt rlly matter much because classes that are already on the top of the list would gain just as much points in this category. Pretty sure I gave Sac 2 pts for mobilty, 2pts for his tankyness aswell. Your comment; '' tanky as hell and more sustain than anybody in the game, so I understand even less giving him 2 point on life steal so, putting him on the bottom for me is completely wrong'' is funny because there is no way in hell Sac is more tanky than a Feca or a Panda when it comes to pvm. If I give Panda only 2 points ( Feca 3 obv ) then I think its funny you think I should give Sac 3. 2 points is fair, keep in mind I also gave 2 points for his life steal spells. So I once again ask you to tell me for what category exactly I should give Sac more points?
You mentioned Cra should be 2nd best but literally gave no arguments why. Tell me in what category it should get more points.
Your comment on Sadi range proves you didnt watch the video i guess since I gave Sadi 2 points for his range. Please be careful when saying I dont know my stuff because I have been playing this gave for 15 years.
As for Xelor, the reason I gave him 0 points in buffs is because I did not count AP buffs for this, only mp and power buffs. And the reason why I didnt give more than 1 point for range is because you are usually close to enemies in order to cause telefrags. Yes you are right Xelor has some spells that are long range and modifiable but Xelors should still remain generally close to enemies to cause telefrags to gain the dmg buff. If you wanna play Xelor from range you are not using it to its full potential and you might aswell just use a Cra. You mentioned mobility as a big factor, man I gave him 3 points what do you want? More? Also gave 3 points for map manipulation. So, unless you want me to give him 1 extra points for his range theres not much more I can do.
''Regarding the Masq, you mentioned Agular as something meeh.'' What is this comment? Tell me where in the video I said this. You want me to give Masq more than 1 point for range when all they have is one range spell per element? That has to be a joke and it wouldnt be fair to other classes. Imagine playing an agility Masq from range and all you have is 1 single dmg spell.......Masqs are CC classes just look at their spells. As someone who plays Masq literally every single day I can say theres no way they deserve more than 1 point for their range.
Regarding Fecas range proves your view on spells isnt based on facts but rather on your own opinion. You compared Fecas chance build range to Pandas. I gave Panda 3 points because at least 2 entire builds, chance and agi are long range. Int is medium range and str aswell although its more focussed towards CC. Feca only has a chance build that has long range since int is more medium range and both agi and str are CC. Please tell me again why you think Feca should get 3 points in range compared to a Panda..... it doesnt make sense at all.
And what is the comment you made about Ougi life steal I literally gave him 3 points for that. Please watch the video again before commenting.
As a conclusion I have to say I would like you to revise your comment and watch the video again. You made alot of mistakes in your comment regarding the results of the video saying I gave a class 0 points even though I gave them like 2 or 3 points and therefore your arguments are invalid. If you want me to place a certain class higher on the list, please make a brief comment stating the class, ability and what amount of points you want me to give it with a solid argument because as I mentioned in the video aswell as in the pinned comment I do take this seriously and I will change the results if people actually give solid arguments. So far I have only change Ougi's results based on the comments I have gotten so I would say this tierlist is pretty accurate.
-Eslix.
@@eslixgaming756 Hi Eslix, first of all thanks for reply. I'll try to answer everything, I don't know if you took my previous coments as a rant but feels like. I hope wasn't, I promise it is not the intention, I just love debating about the game.
Saying Sacrier is a god 1-199 is not an overxagerration, is true, you need 0 help with him to solo content an insane amount of quest and dungeons just by his own, something a lot of classes just can't, solo farming better than anybody (or on pair with Cra) by his own during a lot of levels, including 200, not needing kamas to spend on recover health after fights and many times having 0 risk of die. High levels dungeons being CC is thrash, I know that, but 1-199, as you set, for someone starting without a billion kamas, will not level up quick as you set even if questing this days makes it easier than before. You set your list doesn't include AoE, well, that's one of the mistakes in my opinion, you not including something that important where Sacrier is really good, you say doesn't really matter, but is completely untrue, the difference between having a good AoE reliable spell makes your path completely different, way faster and way easier, however you not considering this, fine I guess. "Sac is no way in hell more tanky than Feca or Panda", well on practice is true, you are right, nothing to say about Feca, I forgot him, but, you don't want to count Agular to give more points to Masq on range section, but you want to count Panda as one of the most tankies class in the game when the class is pure based on a set with 50% resis, fair enough? I don't think so.
I didn't mention anything about Cra because if you have been playing 15 years it shouldn't be necessary to tell you how freaking good he is overall any level. Not as good as others at 200, and this is what I feel when you, and other people that has been playing for a lot of years do, just thinking about all the lv200 content and ignoring all the previous, and at 200 Cra still really good for to many reasons. Again, always thinking, as you set, for people who starts.
Regarding Sadi, I watched the video and I keep saying his range is 3 points, literally all his staples are 1-7 or 1-8 modifiable + the poison and the tree makes him effective from almost anywhere, can't see why he should have two while Panda 3.
About Masq, you didn't set Agular is bad or something like that, but the tone was "oh yea agular, they have that" not giving the importance that spell has, if it was my bad missunderstanding Im sorry. You saying you not gonna give him more than 1 point on range just because the spell of a single build, cool. Apathy is 2-8, Ponteira is 1-7, Apostasy 1-7 modifiable, Brincaderia 2-7 modifiable, Picada 2-6 modifiable no line of sight. So, I can't see that "only one spell". I play Masq everyday too, they shine the most as CC class, you right, but if you want to play range not only you can, is also quite decent, specially as Agi, and yes, why not consider a class good on something only if one element can do it? Who cares if chance Feca is the only one who can play ranged? Literally 90% of the Fecas I found in Draconiros are chance, the character can do it, the "only one element" is just an excuse to give more credit to your criteria from my view.
And last one, Xelor, I didn't complain about the 3 points you gave him on mobility and map manipulation, that's why I spoke about the "context". You putted him 0 on push, and yeah, on paper he doesn't have push spells, you just ignoring spontaneus return and frostbite (+ some others), spells that works same or even better than pushing spells, but you don't wanna count them because they are not purely push same as you don't want to count AP buff like a damage buff when at the end, is exactly for the same purpose, make more damage, and that's exactly what Xelor does when he gets more AP, more damage, same as any class with power buff. 0 sense sorry. Regarding telefrags and him having to be close. Definitely you not gonna play Xelor without telefrags, but with mummification and later on with 25 hour and embalming you can be all day long from far as Int or Chance hitting causing telefrags a lot of turns without risking yourself close, which is by the way how I've been playing him as a main character for years having way more succes than being close combat making telefrags with the common spells taking a lot of risk and damage from mobs (xelor punch, disruption, temporal distortion etc). So yes, I think is wrong giving him 1 points almost like a CC class, having a potential to play long range and hitting really hard with petrification or temporal dust + hand and cog so I would definitely give at least 1 on buff and minimum 1 on range or 1 on push. Xelor will suck forever anyways.
If you analazyse all the classes just on the surfaces, your video is super accurate, but on practice things can be very different depending the element of your class and I think that has to be consider, but requires a more deep investigation and a list pointing specifics, otherwise not knowing the game, reading "Xelor is always close combat" not wanting to play close, maybe skip the class even if he wanted to try just because that person want to play range, this is just an example. I hope that makes sense.
I've been playing this game since 1.29 btw, not consistenly, but easily few thousand hours, I think playing 15 years is not an argument to be right, but just for let you know, I'm not a new player too.
@@GrayStudioYT I totally agree that there are alot more points that should be considered when making a tierlist like this but it is nearly impossible to do so. As someone who played this game for over 15 years I can talk for HOURS about every single aspect and come up with something alot more accurate but would people watch that? Probably not XD I like how you invested time to comment with more specific explanations, thats what this channel is all about, helping eachother.
At first I just wanted to make a ''classic'' tierlist video just like the other pvm tierlist but then I would lean more towards my own opinion instead of facts. I would put Cra in S tier if it was for me. Then I came up with this idea of making a point system based on abilities. But even though its not perfect it still gives a very accurate list of the order of the classes. Its very easy to give a class 3 points for something they are very good at like giving 3 points to Cra for range is a no brainer. Giving 0 points if they dont have something isnt too hard either. But deciding between giving either 1 or 2 points for a spell thats the hardest part because thats when you start to lean more towards opinions instead of facts.
I hope people read this conversations and can make up their own opinion and decide what class they want to play.
-Eslix
@@eslixgaming756 Thanks once again, I do understand why you did the video this way, it was a pleasure to speak about.
I still think the video is fantastic and overall the content of the channel too. Very informative and deeper than usual channels, that's something I personally aprecciate, I'm one of those guys who want to watch a really long video speaking about Dofus in this case, but yep, you right, 90% doesn't want that xD
Keep it up and good luck!
@@eslixgaming756 in dungeons i think it's not a big issue to be melee, but i can see where you are coming from on this point. however on the matter of quest fights i very much disagree with the statement that melee classes struggle. sacrier and huppermage are literally two of the most excellent classes for that, and many ranged classes without survivability struggle a lot. when people get stuck on hard questfights its always the cras and enus and other ranged classes.
most prominent examples being:
- the Plants vs. Veriun Dead questfight
- slobberpuss fight
- 6/6 endfight
but there are many many more solo questfights where long ranged classes often get stuck on.
And don't even get me started on the myriad of questfights that are supposed to be group fights but classes that can jump across the map like sacrier or elio can solo them with ease. Sacrier, Elio, Hupper, Panda are literally THE best classes for solo questing.
The assumption that melee classes struggle in dungeons is very outdated. It only prevails on the Mono-account-server. But not because a melee team performs worse in a dungeon, but because it's easier to coordinate with randoms, when you are playing ranged. That is not a challenge by the game, but instead by the special format of that server. However even if its just because of the special format of the server, it still poses an issue that is existing, so that's why i can see where you are coming from on that point.
Nice video, good points
Well, a nice video thats for sure.
But it makes me unsure which classes to pick. Coming back to Dofus 2 after playing the first Dofus around 2007. Back in the day I played Sadi and Ecaflip.
At the moment I try to build me a team of 4 if I have to grind and level solo and can´t really decide which classes to pick.
Last idea was Panda (Chance?), Feca (Chance), Ecaflip (Int) and Forgelance (Agi) but I´m unsure if this works out. And even when it´s working out I´m unsure which one of these should be my main charakter for playing with randoms or guildmembers (when I finally found a guild).
What do you guys think about this team? Do I need Strength/Earthdamage in my team? Do I need MP Red? And if yes, which classes would you recommend for MP Red or Earthdamage and which of my 4 should I skip so that would fit with my remaining 3 classes`?
Hi, if you want to play dmg Panda then I suggest Mp Red Enu. If you dont want an Mp red class then I suggest to play tank build on Panda. But thats usually only viable endgame. Early game you can manage without mp red or tank. The classes you mentioned are good classes indeed but like you said, you might lack earth dmg. You could choose to make Feca str early game since chance is only good after 180. Or choose something else for Forgelance but I assume you want to play it cuz its the newest class. In the end you wanna play whats fun. As for choosing a ''main''. You only need a main if you want to focus achievements on that single acc. I suggest Panda cuz its one of the easiest classes for solo quest fights and you avoid needing to class change or ask for help 24/7. But if you do that, you are kinda forced to get multiple sets for Panda. ( tank & dmg )
On paper it makes sense. But in practice, Iop can out solo almost everything besides elio/SRAM and maybe fogger.
Sometimes yes but it highly depends on what you are fighting. I used to be an Iop main and switch to Cra because Iop had too much trouble in solo quest fights that required you to stay on range. Now I play Panda and its defenitely ALOT better for solo play than an Iop.
@@eslixgaming756 sure panda everything. I genuinely pretend they don't exist 🤣. It's like, I KNOW there's an easy mode button, I just refuse to press it even if I die more lol
@@ominous5409 XD
Great video
This is great to help people starting out, but it does not really reflect a lot about the endgame classes imo. many things are not really considered here, for example, as a sram I can avoid many penalities and makes it perfect for solo dungs, or overall do a lot of challanges with idols thanks to poisons. and sacrier although it does not have invulnerability spells, he can tank a lot thanks to his passive plus his buffs and health regen. rogue for example with bombs and knowledge can play with the ai to his advantage and so on
another thing is not all classes have similar dmg, I tested many and no matter what you do, some classes will have much better dmg
overall great video, especially to help people out in the beginning, but I think it would bennefit from a few more "abilities" that are unique to each class, and maybe for some classes do exceptions between stats because like i said, agi sram is way different than the others.
Hi nice video!!! I am new and i choose elio. What you recomend for me for Best playing with this class. Gear, element and etc. Thx you!
When you start out gear isnt as important because you usually outlevel it too quick. Starting out agi on lower levels is pretty nice as agi equips are the strongest at lv 30-60. Later on you could choose whatevery you like. All 4 elements are equally strong on Elio.
@@eslixgaming756 can pandawa closed all content in solo? Dungeons, achive? I think eleo is week.
@@HAMKOFF Why would you want to solo all dungs? Dungeons are not ment to be done solo. But if you do want to solo them Elio would be the best class in the game probably.
hey, great video, it help me ! I have a question for you, I haven't played for years but I still have my feca lv 199, I would like to start over but I'm afraid there are few things to do in terms of solo player, am I wrong? will i have necessarily look for a guild ?
Hi, welcome back. There are tons of things to do as a solo player. Just dont rush to 200 is always my main advice. Maybe even consider starting over with a fresh character if you havent played in a long time. A guild could help to get some help but joining the Echo pvm discord would be even more helpful for you to get advice or help from alot of players.
I believe the Sadidas have a summon that lasts for 1 turn that can push
Hi, thanks for the feedback. However since this is the only pushback ''spell'' a Sadi has I dont think I will give a point just for the fact its a summon with a cooldown of 4 turns. I did however gave Sadi 2 points for map manipulation. I think thats fair.
MP buff (steal) is pretty good for sadida. Maybe a 3? Summon gives three and two spells shake and aggressive bramble also give MP. MP reductions is so good on sadida as well.
Yes. Agreed. Will change it in the pinned comment.
Hey nice video. I have played the game on and off since back in 2005 i belive with my sister :) got alot of good mamories. but it has always been f2p and never progressed anything. just made new characters all over and having fun as a f2p. but im still on and off alot and my highest character is lvl 130 IOP. i want to one day have a max lvl character but im not sure what i shuld aim to level as my first 200. i almost all the time play solo, and not eaven with multi accounts. so watching this i wonder if i shuld try to make a feca or panda to aim for a first 200, any advice or a struggeling old player with little knowlegde in the game (despite playing on and off alot)
Hi. Tbh a Panda can do all content very easily. For questing its the best class and its super easy to find groups. Dmg pandas are also very nice since the latest changes so you dont have to always play tank.
I know you say osamodas is bad and the tier list surely reflects that but i always find myself thinking about playing one and ive played one in the past.
Could you go more in depth as to why theyre really bad? Ive seen osamodas solo dungeons and i see people with max achievements on the leaderboards with them? Whether they were osa or swapped after idk.
What im asking is does it really matter if i wanted to be an osa could i play one anyways? Or is it really that bad? Im returning to the game after about a year off
Ofc you can play what you want and if thats osa then go for it. There are not many Osas on the leaderboard with Max achievements and if there are any they surely arent solo acc players. They usually have a team and probably class changed a couple of times for certain achievements / quests. The reason I strongly believe Osas are bad at endgame is because summons arent that usefull compared to early game. Enemies at lv 200 pretty much 1 shot your summons and you willl be on cooldown without summons on the field.
@@eslixgaming756 Thankyou for the insight sadly ive tried the 4 man team thing and im not a huge fan, i much prefer to play just one toon, id love that toon to be good at solo play and group play but it’s so hard to decide.. when i look at osa i feel i could play agility solo and int in a team? Osa always been my favourite 😕 is there a possibility of it working with really good gameplay?
@@callumboddy5122 agi solo and int for team would indeed be best. If you can only choose 1 then go agi i think altho im not that much of an osa veteran. Are you not interested in any other class?
@@eslixgaming756 yea i’d get the agi set first as ill be solo most of the time 😜..
Yea ive played every class on and off for 10 years i used to have a team of 8 then 4 now i only want to play one ha. So yes i have tried every class and Osa seems to be my class ya know when all roads lead back to one, thats osa for me
Is there a video that you've shared all your sets of pandawa? Or if there isnt, would you share your item combinations?
I did. Search for Panda gear reveal it should pop up as the first video. I did a reveal for every class.
@@eslixgaming756 yeah i saw it thanks, i also want to ask that im using the same dream team that you use (masq/panda/ougi/feca) is it better to play them all in agi or should i play masq str? i think its stronger but i saw that you use agi masq.
@@altayunsal3263 for normal pvm str masq is indeed better but for inifnite dreams ideally you wanna focus buying buffs in 1 element only. Agi is the best for that so yes, agi masq for dreams.
@@eslixgaming756 thanks
Bro My dofus is bugged, when I Open it and click on the launcher it just stays on that screen, I already uninstalled it and re downloaded but its just not opening, any tips on this??
Go to settings and click repair on the launcer.
I'm going to play with a Duo, Cra + Enu. Is it a good duo? Could you suggest me a good pair for Feca?
Cra Enu is a very good duo to play ranged. As for Feca, you can make a dmg Panda or maybe a Foggernaut.
@@eslixgaming756 The last question. Will the STR sacrier still be good after the ax nerf? What would be a great duo for STR sacrier?
@@marioluanlimalopes5246 I dont have that much good stuff to say about Sacs. But if you rlly like em try out Hammertune hammer maybe? It will get a buff in upcomming update. Maybe combine Sac with Agi Feca. Fumilating glyph is super strong it gives 20% more CC dmg. Feca can also be str/agi.
Cra does have a damage reduction spell. It is "Destructive Arrow" it isn't much but they have it. ;)
Thats not what I ment with dmg reduction. These days they call it dmg sustain. ( shields etc ).
@@eslixgaming756 oh my bad, thought you meant that xD
WHICH would be the best feca pvm element in 2.7?
Still the same as before. However, Ankama did mention a Feca revamp in 2024.
Leuk, kom je channel net tegen. Nederlander neem ik aan btw. Terugkerende speler, na bijna 15 jaar afwezigheid en moet alles opnieuw uitvinden haha. Heb een enu en sadida. Ga maar eens rustig filmpjes kijken over de huidige dofus 😊
Welkom terug! Hopelijk vind je het wat.
Also, can you do this video but for teams? Currently running solo/duo but I want a 4-8 man team and I’m wondering what the most efficient combos would be 🥸
Hi, I have already made a tierlist for that and I have it linked in the description of this video!
is achivement runs still worth? and can I do it just with a lvl 200 Iop and 6 leechers?
What exactly do you mean with this? You want to solo dungeons and take 6 leechers with you? Thats not a thing.
@@eslixgaming756 yes solo dungeon with sidekick up to 180
@@Mike-mt2uz you probably could solo if you use sidekick but not with 6 leechers lol. Impossible to do 8 loot solo.
Hi bro, which team do you think is better? 1:team panda,enu,cra,steamer or team 2: panda,eliotro,hiper,steamer for pvm ^^
Team 1 for sure. But why no Feca? :(
@@eslixgaming756 feca by whom and what element?
@@mellinas3004 Feca instead of Foggernaut probably, but both are about equally good. I just like Feca a bit more :P I play chance for range ( with class boots ) and agi or str/agi for CC. Omni works for CC aswell but less viable since Panda ( carry ) nerfs.
Can you tell me what's the best element for Feca right now ?
Chance if you play range, Agi for CC.
@@eslixgaming756 Thank you for the answer today is time for big comeback after few years 😎
What are you talking about, xel can solo most high level dungeons and it has super long range.
You are talking about the 1% of the top 1% of the player base who can manage to solo lv 200 dungs with a Xelor. Dont think thats a fair argument to put Xelor higher on the list is it? Cuz if thats your argument then any class can be nr 1 since Volca literally proved you can do pvm without class spells so it doesnt even matter what ur class is.
In DOFUS 2.7 which are the best pvm?.
Mostly still the same. I might make updated video in 2024
Sadida can summon a tree an it can push or pull every go and how have you not put sadida MP steals to 3 as they have Air spells that steal MP, Int spells that steal MP and a doll that does, sadida has like the most Mp steals in the game lol also sadida has a pain share spell where he takes alot less damage depending how many summons it has out also sadida has a spell that can Infinite buff summons HP by 25% keeping them alive alot longer , Iops can go range both Int and Air are range and they both Mp steal or erode and Iops can push or pull with 3 or more spells, an I disagree with you about MAsq range, the range spells are actually OP a range masq is very helpful alot of people actually use them, infact u would swop between close an long range in fights, great for pushing monsters away - range stealing - mp rape and ap rape from a distance, also masqs can shield from range too over a huge huge range Oh an Masqs have like 4 spells that heal but u also gave it 1 point :D, For me Fogger does have a Invulnerability spell where the turret actually takes the damage, Ougi has chance spells Tibia that does pushback damage and an int spell Woof that does 40 Pushback Resistance on enemys and a spell called tailing that pushes as well and a spell Hunt that pushes as well and a spell Panic there is actually a pushback build for ougi Lmao .... anyway great video this is just my views still great video :D
Hi, thank you for the feedback on the sadidas but I think you misunderstood the mp steal part. Mp reduction is not the same as mp steal. Mp steal means you remove mp from enemies and you gain the mp. And if you look at the chart I already gave sadi 2 points for the mp buff/steal abilities. And as for the tree that can push/pull, it is a summon with a 4 turn cooldown and it cannot be used every single turn and is therefore too situational. I wont give a point for that.
As for Iops being able to play range i disagree with you on that. Yes, int has 2 spells that are range modifiable but one of them is liniair and one is only 2 ap low dmg. Dont forget the most important spell from the int build is a CC spell. I dont even see how you can say agi is range since its all leaning towards CC ( Zenith & Devine Sword for example ) and none of them are range modifiable. As for your push/pull comment, I only count push spells, not pull spells, pull spells count towards map manipulations and I already gave a point for that.
As for the Masq, I agree it has some good range spells but its only 1 spell per element. Every other spell in the build is CC. ( Boliche, Biociara, Furia, Capering, Cavalcade, Ronda etc. All CC spells )
I dont understand your comment about the shielding from range because this tierlist is based on SOLO play, therefore spells like Tortoruga are basicly useless and I dont count them. Nevertheless I gave 3 points for shielding anyways. You also mentioned Masq have 4 heal spells, pls mention them because there is not a single spell that heals. Masq only has life steal spells ( 1 int every element ) and because those are CC spells I only gave 1 point.
As for the foggernaut ''invu'' spell you mention I think you mean this one: ''The targeted allied Turret suffers close-combat damage instead of allies adjacent to it.'' I counted this for the shield/dmg reduction ability and gave Fogger 2 points for that as its not an actual invunerability spell like Feca & Panda have in my opinion.
As for Ougi I will pin a comment and give Ougi 1 point for pushing spells. I did not know about the chance spell at all. However I will not count tailing as it also pulls Ougi closer after pushing the enemy, this is more leaning towards map manipulation. I am also not considering Panic because the variant Pursuit is way too good to not pick it, especially because Ougi is a CC build it needs the mp spells even more.
I hope I covered all your points well. I will pin a comment with the +1 point I will give Ougis. Let me know what you think of my arguments. Happy with the feedback.
@@eslixgaming756 Im happy with what you said except masq can shield it's summon (which is a big part of masq) from range using it to lock enemy or staying out the way, as for sadida they do have 2 spells that gives MP - Aggressive Bram and Shake both can gain you a Hella alot of MP the only thing is it doesnt steal MP you just gain it, so I dont know if you would count them spells or not Oh and "And as for the tree that can push/pull, it is a summon with a 4 turn cooldown and it cannot be used every single turn and is therefore too situational. I wont give a point for that" It's every other go once it Max lvl (159) so it's not as bad as you think lol but other than that u cleared up a few things :D
@@MrAiAKAMarkb Glad you agreed mostly with my comment. I did gave Masq 3 pts in shielding so I guess nothing changes there right? As for Sadi, I might reconsider and give 1 point for pushing. If so ill add it to the pinned comment.
The idea is great, but it doesnt quite reflect the truth. Sacrier ends up being better than cra for a LOT of mission when going solo.
If you talking about solo quest fights only, then I agree with you. But this is a general pvm list so this is about pvm, dungs, quests, achievements etc.
What build is best for panda?
In a team probably tank. But dmg build can be anything. All builds are rlly strong and each has their benefits.
@@eslixgaming756can you send me link from Dofus lab from your panda? Thank you
@@GamingStar-ob2ut ive done a gear reveal video on my channel you can check that out!
Ok what’s the name of the video?
@@GamingStar-ob2ut Panda gear reveal XDDDDD
Man, cra has destruction arrow that reduces dmg
Yes, but it has no affect on the results. With dmg reduction I mean dmg sustain. Back in the days it was called dmg reduction. Maybe that causes the confusion. Cra has no dmg sustain or shields so it gets no points for that.
@@eslixgaming756 ahh ok, Thats true
@@eslixgaming756 cra has ap and MP reduction and life steal that helps a Lill but it is a "papper" class that doesnt have any defense
@@fredericodarmstadter4408 Yes, once you get monsters in your face you gonna get clapped indeed. Btw, FYI I didnt take into consideration ap/mp reduction. Only slightly mp steal when it comes to mp buffing.