Nissan GT-R vs BMW M5 | evo TRACK BATTLE
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- Finding rivals to pitch the Nissan GT-R against on circuit is tough - its performance far outstrips traditional foes at its £78k price point. But what about the king of the super saloons, the BMW M5? We find out which is quicker round the challenging turns of Anglesey Circuit.
So basically a RWD vs. 4WD battle. Both are great but after 7 years, I'm still smitten by the GTR's cold-blooded, assasin-like speed.
well it's also a sportcar vs a saloon that has lots of power. It's obivious that the gtr wins. (Just saying before the gtr army strikes down on me)
***** Sure, the M5 is no where near agile enough to pop in and out of traffic. Are you trying to outrun the cops? Does the GTR really give that extra edge in street driving? Please. I want interior build quality, I want my money to not just go to the mechanics but the other elements that a car at that price should have. There is a reason why everyone doesn't drive around WRXs but they like GTIs with far less performance, its a much more well rounded car because they actually try and make the car livable.
And is the GTRs seating position actually significantly lower then the M5?
crankCINEMA as you see the last video they say we are only intrested in lap times ...(evo)magazine so yes m5 is better to live but here only a lap time is important
crankCINEMA TRACK TIMES BRO.
Updates every single year no wonder its still fast.
According to Evo the GTR made light work of the M5 on the track, but the driver preferred the M5 lol
Next week we compare a Rolls Royce Phantom to a ZR1 Corvette stay tuned.
I don't think anybody is surprised at the result here. GT-R vs 911 Turbo would've been more interesting to watch.
not really since the 911 Turbo is far superior
@@kraenk12911 Turbo did 1:13.60 btw
I'd take the M5 any day of the week. Had the E60 M5 which was tons of fun, and had the F10 for about a month, which was fun too.
crazy that the GTR with 550hp and AWD is not even 1 second faster than the 350hp base model Porsche 911. That's 200HP more and can't shave 1 second
The driver did mention that it was the first time driving a GT-R and that he was not used to the all-wheel drive system that the GT-R contains. He mentioned that it was going to take him "a while longer to work that out".
He's a pro driver. The GTR was under steering everywhere. A 911 GT3 would eat a Nismo GTR and be way more fun,
Power/weight buddy. You forgot to consider that factor.
Alfredo Garcia if a professional driver is having hard time to learn the car, good luck with your random buyer. GTRs always had some mild understeer mid corner since 2007 generation
Brad That's the price you pay for having a very complex AWD, or do you expect to be AWD and still have the same weight as a pure RWD only car? That's why a Carrera S is lighter than a Carrear 4s, and why a gallardo 4WD is lighter than the 2WD version. GTR AWD is vey heavy due to it's complexity
Power to weight ratio on the GTR is still way better than 911. GTR is 1740kg, 911 is 1400kg, that is less than 20% less weight. But the GTR has more than 50% more power. so the GTR has more hp per kg of weight, it just looses all in the corners
Put both GTR and Base 911 in a straight line, and you'll see the 911 getting totaly murdered.
God the M5 is very impressive for 1945 kgs! The AMG E63 performance pack definetely cant beat that!
There is no chance the M3 can keep up, that's why my money is firmly on the M3, because the GTR is an uncomfortable inconvenient boring to drive understeery machine. If you want laptimes get yourself a caterham.
You drove one?
hahah so obvious you never drove one.
The new M3/M4 isn't anything exciting either with that booring engine and catastrophic soundtrack
M123456 All looks the same how interesting is that. ^.^
Jonny Oliveira Ms are most exciting cars in the world,that is biggest bullshit i ever heard Mr hater,and sountrack is much much better than GTRs
I have to say, because of the way the industry is heading, GT-R is getting more and more appealing. I'm all about manual transmission, "analog cars". But it seems we are doomed to paddle gearboxes and launch controls and I would really love to have a car which did it first (well, not first but you know what I mean). And it's still doing it better then the most to this date. Love it or hate it GT-R has become a legendary car already.
I´m actually a BMW fan, but the GT-R was already became legendary shortly after it was launched. It changed the game just like the Bugatti Veyron did when it first landed. Though the GT-R is keeping it´s ground extremely well, I can´t keep wondering if Nissan will bring on new GT-R platform and if then when. I would wish that Nissan would bring a much lighter car to the table - I would say they need too within the next 3-5 years.
HesteBremse It depends what you're into. When I look for a car, I don't look for something with all those electronic aids and soulless features. A GT-R does everything for you, it feels more like playing a video game than driving a car. The most important attribute about a car is SOUL and PASSION. If a car doesn't have that, then there is no driver feedback and connection.
Elliott Rollins Yea well I never drove a GT-R but what you say is no new perspective on the GT-R in fact I´m sorry to say that your comment sounds rather bland and stereotype even that it might be true - If you had GT-R or another supercar you properly would not give a shit about this thread. And btw what I wrote has nothing to do about what one is into - It´s just a more or less accurate fact about the GT-R at the moment of it´s rebirth - I do not say that I like it over other cars or that it is better - Just that it changed the game at that moment in time thus raising the question what Nissan would come up with for a third generation GT-R. And The most important attribute about a car is not necessarily SOUL and PASSION, that is rather subjective as well, E.g. for a Family it might be Security and Economy. I can´t even figure why you responded to my reply which such a subjective and stereotype comment.
I LOVE these reviews. So awesome to see a pro race driver behind the wheel of street cars and give honest, unbiased feedback. That, plus quantitative lap time numbers is 10/10 in my book.
A stupid comparison. The GT-R is a supercar while the M5 is a sportier version of a luxurious sedan.
+1. The only people who are interested in an M5, are people with families. But no family will ever consider buying a GT-R for that purpose. This comparison is just lame EVO.
MidEnginedSedan Maybe their point was that both cars are similarly priced, but still this test was pointless, we all know that the M5 is gonna lose. It obviously has no chance.
fifthgear93 It's painfully obvious that price was the deciding factor for making this comparison. But a GT-R was always going to spank a family sedan on a race track. And a coupe was never going to be a family's vehicle of choice. They might as well have made a match between chocolate bars vs pens. You can buy them for the same price, so it *must* be a valid comparison, right?
Weak EVO, very weak.
Who the hell considers a GT-R a supercar!?
TheFlyingPineapple Uhmm.. everyone?
In terms of displacement, number of cylinders, forced induction, and the 4WD, the Porsche 911 Turbo S (991) is a more suitable rival than the ///M5 for the GTR. Anyway what were they expecting, a 25hp advantage isn't going to offset a 200kg handicap.
This guy should do all your track battles!
Oh look! It beat a sedan, let's see it go against a modern supercar instead.
dude, RS6 can actually keep up pretty well with the GT-R, so it's no excuse for the BMW to be slow...
watch?v=kuTZSekmu3w , my job here is done....
Get4Instinct Round a track the RS6 will also be beaten by the GTR, it has a really good excuse, it's a supper SEDAN, not a super car.
Get4Instinct So you just proved yourself wrong, the Audi lost to the GTR in the speed tests...
Simranjeet Singh I just wonder what your proof is for what you said
I can't wait to see the track battle of the P1 and LaFerrari or 918!.. Thumbs if you agreed!!
***** cool, thanks for the comment!!
918 can beat both.
We need more years of research to beat a car such GT-R. Still untouchable.
lol it was in 2nd place you fool
Its all about purpose. The GT-R is more purpose built for the racetrack than the M5.
New Turbo and Turbo S will do it!
Kremer Drei I'm not sure, even though its way more expensive. Look at this list, its crazy:
www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/news/top-liste-die-koenige-der-nordschleife-693969.html
EDIT: I think it was not stock though.
lam neth I'd still pick the GT-R over the Ferrari personally. For one it's still a Nissan chances are it's still highly reliable as a daily driver, it's a lot cheaper and it's still massively quick. It might not be as quick as the Ferrari but I really could not live with a Ferrari every single day.
£80k. Have neither but get a used 997 GT3 mk2!
Quality content. Thank you.
considering how much you will have to repair the bmw over time, i would definitely take the gtr
As a GTR fan, the fluids and repair costs on a GTR are also ludicrous.
I'm guessing you know little of the GT-R maintenance/fees.
ganymedesisme In Europe owning a GTR is crazy expensive, every spare part costs a fortune.
gtr cost a hell of a lot to maintain as well
***** You still have to maintain it in Europe and that's very expensive.
Much like the Renault Megane RS, the GT-R is not just about the power, it's about traction and handling. That's why they often beat cars with 30% more power or better power-to-weight ratio. This level of chassis design is pure art and any true car enthusiast must at least recognize and respect the engineers who did it, if not like the cars themselves.
Enjoyable video! I do prefer the way Tiff Needell does track battles, he talks about how the car handles as he warms it up by driving sideways, then sets a fast lap. No standing around talking in a monotone about what he just drove.
Evo, great to hear the insights from pro drivers. They're so good at summarising the key characteristics of a car on the limit. Keep it up.
Wooow that 458 on the top is untouchable! 2 seconds between the Ferrari and the GTR is a whole world between them
Finally someone who explains the difference between cars in a good clear way. Great review EVO!
Two of my dream car battling...nice!
Love these track battles. Keep it up! The only way to settle the debate is against the clock, around a circuit.
Im loving this track battle series, thanks guys. Even before I watched it, I would have a tough time choosing between these cars, I love them both. After watching it, I still cant make up my mind, haha
This new track battle format is really well done.
Another clinical dissection of two great rides in an epic track.
Thanks for sharing.
Evo, u guys r so professional, it is absolutely nuts. Cheers from Canada
Great Video. Also thanks for not charging us $3.99 a month for free content like other channels.
I don't understand why compare M5 saloon with GTR, M4 would be more suitable.
obviously it will be quicker around corners then a big saloon
than.
Having Franchitti set the lap times is an excellent idea. Looking forward for more track battles.
Let's do 10 Launch Control Starts in a row with the GTR and see how the clutch and the transmission finds it. My guess: You can collect the parts of the street after the third one.
No surprise. The Nissan GT-R is so extremely effective (for the BHP it has) only a few cars can match that (like the Porsche for example).
This review sums up why I wouldn't ever get a GTR. It's really not as involving throttle-wise in the limit as other cars in that price range or below it, and its tendency to push in the corners is unappealing.
Although the M5 is slower, the involvement it demands of the driver to get the most out of it is more rewarding, and at the end of the day, that makes the driving experience more fun.
**I miss your more engaging battles, with the ride-along narrative, journalist excitement. etc.
Also M5 all the way!! class, style, comfort, prestige, more authentic feel, and of course RWD!
We all know the gtr is probably the most capable supercars out there so whats the point of comparing it to a 4300 lb luxury rocket? There totally different
A couple possible solutions for the M5 would be to add an inch to the rear tire width, or to try reducing the rear tire pressure to increase contact with the road.
Excellent video. The driver, Marino Franchitti, has a great understanding and is really able to explain accurately what's going on.
These Track Battles are awesome!
the only thing that can beat a 2014 GTR is a 2015 GTR. butthurt BMW drivers ;)
458 speciale 1:14.2
A Corvette beat a GTR around the track, don't be silly. What Nissan needs to do is release a R36 GTR; it's a fantastic machine but the R35 is getting old.
I reckon you can't afford either yet still duck riding the gtr lol
and every porsche
Loïc Martel With the same level of power, yes. The 911 Carrera did an amazing time, 1:17.8, with only 345 bhp!
i would get the F10 M5 and with the rest of the money upgrade it cuz V10 POWA!!
its a v8
damn got it wrong! i meant E60
Sorry to pop your bubble but the F10 M5 is equiped with a twin turbo V8 meanwhile the E90 M5 has a naturally aspirated V10
yeah i kinda realized i mess codes up :/
AbstractGaming E60*
Love this format! Marinos feedback on the cars is great!
EVOTV fantastic video format. Keep up the good work!
i'm pretty pleased with how the M5 held up. It's a performance sedan, 2.8s is not bad !
I would pick the BMW M5 only if couldn't have more than one car, because of family needs. But I would prefer the GT-R, because is more effective and you can push it harder.
But what amaze me is the gap of 2.7s between the GT-R and the Ferrari 458 Speciale... The Ferrari must be really SPECIALE!
I only wonder why the Ferrari 458 Speciale hasn't a lap time in the Nürburgring?
So, you want a dull, fast car - buy a GTR. Want an involving, not so fast car - buy M5.
So this was essentially a track battle to confirm what everyone would have guessed to begin with?
both world class.
Am I the only one who's not surprised by this outcome?... The M5 is in no way shape or form a competitor to the GT-R. Yes the GT-R goes round a track faster, for autobahn high speed bombing, sound and general premium - M5 without question.
Decent video, evo, Great to see Marino getting involved like his brother. More of this please!
The more they film these, the more I'm amazed by the speed of that ferrari. Just look at what it did to gtr. To the gtr, goddamn... And this battle. Well, I'm not surprised. Sportscar against family saloon - there is really not that much of a fight.
Love these vids. Now show us what a GT3 can do!
458 Speciale ---> 1.14.2
That car also has an 'speciale' price tag ;)
Detmer definitely!
It's only a matter of time until the 650S beats that time.
Light Yagami yeah... Could be! I still would prefer a 458 Speciale over a 650S I think...
Light Yagami you mean that 12c with a face lift and extra HP?
It's kind of an apples and oranges battle this week. AWD vs RWD. Coupe vs saloon. Hammer vs scalpel. Etc. Etc.
The BMW chassis dynamics are more refined and intuitive than the GTR. It conveys much more information to the driver. Granted it takes more work and skill to get it around the track as can be seen with how involved Francitti is sawing at the wheel. The GTR's trump card is it's sophisticated AWD system that generates wormholes between the turns. Too bad you'll never see AWD on a true M car...
M5 every day as a car that involves you in controlling oversteer is more fun to drive than a faster car that understeers.
Not to mention design, inside and out, and overall user experience...
Steven Ferguson E63 is an awesome car too! I'd take one over a GTR every single day of the week.
Good video, good test subject. I didn't know the pricing was so similar. Very interesting and different cars.
It would be pretty crazy to think if the next M5 would be as quick as the R35 on track, but it seems very possible.
AWD is better in tight corners, but not good at mid corner acceleration at all.
100% fact .
also look at the damping and suspension adjustment of track pack GTR, looks like the GTR is doing it best........... GTR can't win in a track with long straight and super tight corners unless it lower in height and lighter.
100% again
It all about the track. Good car but I would only take it in it stock form.
I'm actually quite surprised that a BASE porsche 911 carrera is only a second slower than the almighty GTR, (given that it has almost 200hp less)
I wonder how close would a Porsche 911 4S given that they have similar prices.
I know it's a very different story in a straight line, but it seems that those porsches are incredible cornering.
Damn! That 458 is fast AF!
I love how most of the tests of this kind of car are track (or fantasy road) based. Yet nearly none of the people who are going to throw £80k at a car will put them round a track - even less of them will push them very hard. Why not test them pottering around town, commuting to work, carrying a family, shopping, school runs, etc with the odd bit of boot to a hundred-ish as most owners will use them?
Cause who the hell wants to watch that? If you're really watching these videos because you want to buy one of these cars, then you are much better off going on a test drive.
ewt415 Well since carbuyer's channel has plenty of subscribers I would say there's some legs in it. Obviously we want to see them like this but saying one is better than the other purely on track merit is just silly. No one buys this kind of car just as a track car.
hung huge How is saying one is better on the track silly? It shows how well the engineers made the car, and how well the car performs when pushed to the limit. Sure, most people will not reach the limit on public roads, but the fact that a car has a higher limit or an easier to control limit than another makes it a better car in this aspect. That something that is important to know, something that isn't useless at all.
And keep in mind, this is a TRACK battle. Like how carbuyer only focuses on everyday usage, this series only focuses on track time and feel at the limit. If you look at EVO reviews, you'll see that they don't do everything at the track; they also tell you how it feels to drive on public roads.
I know a lot of people that are willing to throw 80K+ cars around a track, especially high performance cars like these tested.
nice video... different cars... different concept
both great cars for the money
but it depends on what everyone wants
The lap time of the m5 competition package is strange because a standard m5 can do a 1:18.58! And as tested by sport auto and carmagazine south Africa, the competition package is around half a second quicker around a small twisty track than the regular m5!
Amazing how the 458 Speciale is 2.7s faster than the GT-R.
GT-R Nismo vs. 458 Speciale would be damn great to see.
How long did the brakes and tyres last on either car please?
Very relevant for any track test but always ignored.
Great explanation M.
His complaint about the bmw is why little lip spoilers and not spoiler are for getting groceries. Wings and real spoilers are for track.
Can EVO you create a separate playlist for the Marino Franchitti videos as they are hands down the most informative videos you make
Kinda already figured GTR will be faster, but M5 is just 5sec slower, has a 4 doors, comfy 3 seats at the back unlike GTR only 2 seats, it's still respectable time for sedan.
GTR has 4 seats .
No it was 2.8 seconds slower?
trevor philips BMWs performance is terrible at the moment
R34GTRR35
two cramped seats at the back. M5 has two seats in the back and a middle that can act as a 3rd back seat, while GTR has plastic in the middle.
I like the new Track Battles, espacially the accent of the driver, but I miss the pre-laptime drift session... Back in future vids ?
Honest opinions, none bias.
Get a McLaren 650S on that board please. Curious to see what it does
evo, you have to let Mario drive Speciale. You can't have Mario, a pro driver, drive all the cars and have a car journalist drive Speciale. It's already enough that the cars are driven on different days and conditions but to add different drivers to that? And only for Speciale?
Please put de BMW M235I 8 SPEED Vs Manual in that track, OR sport suspension vs adaptive suspension which is better for the track.Thanks
I can´t help thinking that these two cars does not match but perhaps i´m wrong. With the M5 one gets a full four door sedan, it can be your track fun car and it can be used as a family car. The GT-R is more focused as a Super Sports Coupe, but off course it works extremely well as a daily driver too, just not so much as a family car. Matching the GT-R Against the M6 would perhaps be more adequate, but I can´t remember difference in the numbers between the M5 and M6 (perhaps not big) and the GT-R would almost certainly win over the M6 too.
Between this two I would take GTR without thinking
The GTR it's the E type of its time. A classic
I really don't understand all the fanboys rejoicing by the fact that their GT-R beat a LUXURY SEDAN, yes a LUXURY SEDAN by that low margin... WTF?
Just to put things in perspective, the time difference between the 458 Speciale and the GT-R, which are in the same league, both are sports cars with more or less the same specs, is almost the same than the difference between the GT-R and the BMW M5, which are cars that have NOTHING to do with each other, one is a Luxury Sedan, and the other a sports car.
If anything, this time difference should be humiliating for the GT-R.
For a big barge which can carry 4-5 people and your luggage M5 is a beast.
It's not only AWD vs. FWD, power to weight ratio battle. Am I the only one who noticed that unlike the M5, GTR had semi slick race tyres?
Another vote for a Z51 C7 Corvette vs a Porsche Carrera S or a Jaguar F Type R coupe. I have my money on the C7!!
Andy Wallace did this same course in the 2011 non Comp M5 in 18:58.
This guy is fabulous ... Chris Harris without the narcissism
It's obvious an almost 2 tone RWD performance sedan has no chance against the mighty curve specialist and AWD GTR. The only interesting thing is to see how the M5 does against it's natural rivals, other performance sedans, regarding the track time.
Someone at Evo's been watching drive
Yeah, why don't you put the 2014 SRT Viper TA against any of those cars. It's the guaranteed winner, just like at Leguna Seca and several other tracks where it holds the record.
Love it!!
Which GTR model was used?
Nissan should bring back the GTS-T package! A less powerful R35 with RWD, maybe even a manual transmission. They will sell a ton of those cars!
my 80k: definitely the M5
You should pit the GT-R against the Audi RS5. Both have all wheel drive.
is there a lap time for new M3?
Both cars are really awesome but there not even comparable. The GTR is in a different league
i can't believe that 458speciale is that much quicker than gt-r, it's one hell of car
for 80k i would choose alpina b3 touring :) i need space for my mountain bikes...
gotta love the GT-R
wouldnt have hurt to add a bit of rear downforce to the beemer off that feedback and try again ,see if that 2 odd secs is readily achievable to man in the street , that might be more true to the word `Evo and useful for non GTR owners if youre going to compare at all .Or as a project , how easy is it to get an early 2nd hand GTR and improve to beat the new version and the cost saving ? I own an old skyline ,bmw x5,mazda rx7 and toyota hilux`s ,so no predudice just interested .
next why not put a p1 against a prius. I cant really see the point of putting a saloon against a super car