Not free but definitely not inflated like they are. I've bought around 30 vehicles in my life and never once paid MSRP or even close. We are being gouged and it will continue until people show them they can't get away with it.
@@iMakeDatBedRockyou’re the typical dumb consumer. Yeah 10k off… they’ve been 10k off for many years now. You know what has changed? The msrp. What’s 10k off matter if the msrp is 10k higher? You see 10k off and your eyes light up. Oh what a good deal! That’s like stores always having a sale lol you’re the idiot that falls for it
Thanks for the introductions Andre. Just blows my mind at how expensive these trucks keep getting. Guess i will continue buying older trucks. Main street America has been priced out of the market.
I wish that were an option but used vehicles are still crazy expensive too. I’d be spending more on a truck with over 100K miles than I would on a down payment for many new trucks, and while I’d have no monthly payment, maintenance and repair costs will be much higher on a yearly basis to keep it running and passing state inspection
Have you seen Main Street lately? Coffee shop chains with $10 lattes and Gourmet Steak Houses where the presentation is the selling point on that $40 6 ounce filet. Mom and Pop are in the unemployment line, kicked out of their shops by bad regulations and gentrification. Main Street America is now Back Alley America, and they are not marketing new vehicles to those that don’t have 6 figures of disposable income waiting to be wasted to one up their neighbor.
@@Cloud30000I agree. Sadly most people don’t think about their future anymore. Instant gratification is the key for most regardless if they go broke or homeless.. Then pop some antidepressant pill for loosing everything and become a couch potato.. Sadly in my line of work I see this time and time again..
I'd like to see an automaker try to just build a basic, cheap, work truck. Features like a backup camera and 10 inch touchscreen is nice, but just adds way too much to the already boggling MSRP. Some of us just want basic transportation without buying a 20 year old rust bucket.
@@Cloud30000obviously we can see where the marketing is directed at/towards. Just waiting on banks to go to 10-15 year auto loans like boats/rv’s. Then we will see people cry when they go to trade in 2-3 years when something shiny comes off the assembly line.
40k is about my top dollar for a vehicle and that was before interest rates went to the moon. That’s how much both new trucks I bought in the past cost. Both were pretty well fully loaded. Another buyer priced out of the market due to corporate greed.
"Corporate Greed" look like you have economics education of a kindergartener. Not only are vehicles higher in price, so is everything else, if you dont want to buy another vehicle you dont need to buy one.
Before 2020, you rarely saw people complain about vehicle affordability but now it is becoming more & more common as you see it everywhere now . This should indicate to auto makers that the general buying public is unhappy with their pricing strategies of their products. Most of these products price out a lot of the customers. All it takes is one brave company to build products with affordability in mind as the first priority and when it steals sales like crazy from these greedy OEMs, they will be forced to keep prices reasonable while reducing over engineering their products to justify the higher pricing.
I actually think people would be ok with pricing if an emphasis was placed on overall quality. Price and features have skyrocketed but they are built to be obsolete as quickly as possible which is I think pushes people over he edge
I have a good job and make a pretty good salary. (Over 100k a year) I am realizing I will never own a brand new truck unless it's the base model. 65 to 70k+ for trucks that are supposed to be marketed to blue-collar workers. Lol! Those days seem to be over folks. I am guessing I'm not the only one thinking that after watching this video. Total sales have got to be down for these manufacturers. They have priced people like me out of the market.
That is how i feel and these are not trucks that you can drive for 20+ years. Once is out of warranty, God help you. Especially GM diesel, good engine but belt driven oil pump and fuel pump that needs replacing at 100k. That is going to be 10k maintenance cost. Also all these hybrids, who knows what problems they're going to have...
Regarding the Tundra hybrid: Toyota has said the hybrid isn’t necessarily to win efficiency but it’s their substitute for a diesel engine. High immediate torque with decent fuel economy. Its gonna be hard for Toyota to get people to think of hybrid use for anything but awesome fuel economy.
@@nickpasler2629for now yeah, it is strange how it was neutered like that when the upcoming Tacoma and LC have a very similar system with onboard power. I suspect we’ll see the Tundra adopt that pretty soon.
@@nickpasler2629Toyota sold Ford their hybrid technology that it used today. I'm sure they know what they're doing and not making their product inferior to what they designed and sold
@@nickpasler2629 I didn't need a generator. Pointless?? Doubt full, it's not a Ford lol, I would rather have a truck that works. Frequently On Recall Demand isn't my idea of owning quality.
I know which one I’ll be buying: none of them because the automakers have priced us right out of the market! We don’t want gadgets. We just want a dependable truck that we can afford to buy and service. The more gadgets that go into these trucks the more they cost to buy and the more they cost to repair.
The Ram 1500 offers satisfactory performance and comfort, but I've encountered significant reliability issues. With two engine failures, a troublesome transmission, and numerous visits to the dealership, it feels like problems get patched up until the warranty ends. Be cautious; owning a Ram 1500 might lead to a truck parked in your driveway without an engine, alongside an outstanding loan balance
Looks like I'll hang on to my 2013 Silverado LT I paid $28k for. To replace it, I'd pay over double and not get much in the way of capability if anything. Of course I'd get an iPad on the dash...
For $10,000 I will just come and jump in the bed of your pickup truck and tell you which direction to go just call me every time you want to go into reverse I'll be right there.
Would like to see you expose the common problems these new trucks are having. I work for a company with a fleet of 150. With repetitive problems like Ford cracked frames, turbos, AC climate control sensors needing to remove dashes to replace etc., 2023 Chevrolet trucks with 6k miles transmission reverse not working , DPF filters plugging up, 4x4 not engaging because abs light on., etc. Expose these $60k+ trucks for what the consumer has in store waiting 2 months for repairs, not to mention businesses and income loss. Expose them!
All of these trucks look nice and all but the pricing is way too expensive. I typically buy and keep a truck for 10 years before switching it out for a new one but, given the current price, I rather keep it longer now. I bought my 2010 Tundra Limited for 45k brand new, just don't see spending over 50k for a truck or any car.
You can thanks Democrats for the high price of Full Sized Trucks and SUVs - the car makers must meet EPA stands set by democrats - thus they are trying to slow down purchases of full sized vehicles (gas guzzler's).
Here is my expert buyers guide. DO NOT BUY ANY OF THESE TRUCKS IN 2024! They bumped the prices up dramatically claiming there was a chip shortage. What is the excuse now? I hope the auto industry gets a reality check this year. and if its true Ford is going to charge a subscription for their 360 camera, they have just lost a loyal business customer for good. I don't do anything subscriptions.
Great advice. I will not pay 40-50k for a basic work truck that has endless recalls, issues and a short warranty. If the warranty doesn't outlast the loan? No way. Why won't these automakers get rid of all the stupid features and make them cheaper? It drives me nuts!
Yea man, i had a chevy impala SS with the ls4 V8 and my tranny had to be replaced 3 times in a span of 3 years. Never trusting chevy trans again, i went with the ram 1500 because reliability and that german style 8spd zf850re trans thats loved by many auto makers. I have a zf in my bmw x3.
The new 10-speeds are solid, no issues with mine paired with my 6.2 so far. It was also co-developed between Ford and GM, so two big companies pooled their resources and engineers for it. Pretty reassuring.
I guess that’s a plus in the mall parking lot or at Starbucks. Truck guys don’t care about stuff like that, we want a truck that will do truck stuff like tow and go off road and haul without breaking down.
Agreed , I just sold my 2010 Tundra with 231,000 for 10k and purchased a 2021 Limited TRD for 42k. Total cost of 32k for a Tundra that should last me 10 years!
I want to get a new truck like the Ram but I can’t see myself affording it… $60k plus dealer markups and high interest is just bad… and my credit isn’t even bad.
Pre-pandemic it was easy to find a 1 year used full-size for 20-30k down, I think next year it'll be back to that with interest rates up. Even during the pandemic you could find dealerships still marking 8% down from MSRP if you spent 5 minutes to shop. Just wait the stealerships out.
I float in and out of the "1%" year after year. Medical Sales. Im doing pretty well, and I cant believe how expensive these trucks have become. They just arent affordable. You have very well to do people buying these, and people who end up "truck poor" under the weight of the payments. They just arent reasonable for most Americans. Now the UAW is going to strike, and supply chain will get even more screwed up. I dont see prices ever coming back down to normal levels. Upper 40s to mid 50s is where these trucks belong. NOT 75K plus
i hope chevy keeps in their smaller half ton duramax, im loving mine in my 2023 1500. tons of torque and my average mpg is just under 27mpg! long road trips i get about 650-670mi per tank (24gal) with my best tank getting 682mi. they just really need to add a larger fuel tank capacity.. up to 30gal tank you could push 850 miles with a larger tank, no need to stop anywhere on those 8-12hr road trips if you dont want to!
Hopefully you sell it before it gets to 175k miles or your going to do the $4000 maintenance pull that transmission to change that belt. Otherwise it’s decent
@@dcman4902 that will be years down the line, thats not bad either... i dont expect to purchase ANYTHING with so many moving parts to have zero service needed. 4k isnt that bad if you look at it over 7-10yr of ownership
Living in Europe only the RAM 1500 is a real option. It's the only one available in moderate numbers, while others like the F150 are rare - you might find one, but they're super rare. The RAM is also well prepared for export right from the factory, which makes it easier to import it here ... Ford will bring the F150 to Europe soon, but so far it basically doesn't exist here I chose a 2022 RAM 1500 Rebel G/T with Ramboxes and eTorque and I'm very happy with it
@@alextessier3452 it towers little cars like it towers little cars in any other country. But it doesn't tower large SUVs, offroad cars, vans, trucks ...
@@heavenhelpus479 there are pros and cons on every pickup truck. Thus I don't really like the step to get onto the bed on the RAM, would rather prefer the multi-fold tailgate from GMC or the step from the F150 in that aspect. The G/T's interior is nice, it's not too basic, but I love the Longhorn's interior way better. However the only Longhorn they had at the dealership was used and for me it has too much chrome in the front. So I went with the more offroad capable Rebel
"2024 Truck Buyer's Guide"... Cool! I'm going to watch it! 30 seconds in: actually, all too expensive for me, no way I'm going to buy one anyway. I think I'll just quit watching and go type something in the comments...
The problem here is this. The prices for trucks is insane and a joke. There is no need for the price of a truck being as high as some homes, small homes, one bedroom homes, but still a home.
Drove all of these trucks myself. Ended up going with a Ram Laramie Sport (Granite color). Absolutely love the truck. Best interior and best integration of the center console screen without making it look like they just shoved an iPad on the dash. Drives smooth and the cab is nice and quiet. Even the rear seats recline. I don't tow any trailers that come anywhere near 6 tons, so an extra half ton of towing isn't a big deal for what I need.
Hoping for more diesel half tons in the coming years. The 3.0 Duramax sold me on the Silverado. I'd like to see competition from others to get more and better diesels in this segment.
I wish we would too, but both RAM and Ford tried and the buyers were not there. Also the performance was not there. The Rams had trouble and were burning to the ground. The Ford was being outperformed by its turbo v6s. The performance was too close to justify the additional diesel maintenance. Sadly we will not see more diesels.
@@brada1997 from what I heard the pre emissions fines set up on the Eco diesel were pretty good but once they were forced to fix the emissions passing software a lot of them had issues and lost a lot of their performance
Like most people who watch these videos, I love pickup trucks. That being said, the only thing that would spark my interest into getting a new one is a big leap in fuel efficiency. Paying these type of prices for a vehicle that isn't much better on gas then my 06 F150 XLT is hard to justify, even if they come better equipped feature/tech wise.
For $100,000 you could treat your vehicle to the full custom treatment. Custom paint tires rims lift kit seating custom Dash with built-in computers and High Performance Engine with a turbo. Hard to justify the cost of a new truck
Yup all these newer trucks going to be sitting in the dealership parking lots looking lonely if they don’t start cutting the prices down🤷🏽♂️ it still to expensive 🤦🏽♂️
Ford OWN's wholesale the market for the cheapest V8 sleeper work/race truck; that $38,565 RCSB (6.5 foot bed), V8 that comes standard with 3.73s and a locker ! Because the clued up types are on to that combo, I think the real sleeper now will be the RCLB version (8.0 foot bed); @ $40,235, in work truck white of coarse !!
I wanted to replace my 2018 F150 in a year or so for another full-size truck. With these prices i will have to keep my 150 or step into a midside. What are these manufacturers doing? The middle class cant afford these vehicles
Picked up a 2024 GMC Sierra 2500HD AT4 with the 6.6L Duramax fully loaded with all the options ... what a beautiful, solid and great performing truck with a nice comfortable enough drive to work as a daily driver as well. Still think GMC has the overall lead on trucks especially with the new Duramax updates and the new styling and interiors. The GMC trucks feel much more solid and durable to drive; hard to explain but driving a Ford and GMC back to back you really notice the difference. RAM is still at the lower end despite the chintzy 50" screen in the center of the dash haha
I hate the truck market now. They are all ridiculously over priced, and to the point that workers can't afford a work truck. The quality has gone out the door in support of unnecessary technology and government mandates.
If it is possible to get a 5.0 crate motor in the future for my 2014 Ford, I would rather do that. If I cannot keep the 2014s running, it will be horse and buggy for me.
75k for a truck is ridiculous who are they marketing trucks for? Millionaires? If you have a combined household income of 100k, it’s hard to justify spending that much for a vehicle if you don’t need it for work. A truck used to be a vehicle for the average guy, now their over engineered for the rich and the wealthy and used trucks cost too much. It’s harder and harder to find something the everyday person can afford. And recently auto workers went on strike for higher wages. Which means base model trucks will be right around 60k to 65k. And as minimum wage increases prices for everything is going to keep increasing.
Sad Ram still using Hemi with is lubrification flaw design 🙁 (it’s why fuel mileage increase with time and why engines start to fail around 200k km…). V6 Pentastar, instead, is reliable.
I would like to know when the Toyota Capstone is going to offer different interior colors. The white interior is not the best option for a truck. I loved the Capstone, but couldn't get past that interior color.
People keep saying they'll just buy used because of pricing. But when new truck sales drop, used trucks go up. So a 200,000 mile Silverado or F150 4x4 can bring $35,000 and have no warranty on its $8,000 transmission. Maybe people mean they want to daily a really old truck?
Wish you had pointed the cheaped out transaxle. We get the 4wd auto on my 2023 1500 Limited Longhorn at the expense of moving bands - that I suggest will wear out quickly. It's a Borg Warner 44-44 I think and we need the old fashion 44-45?? I found this below and value your input. Did RAM cheap out the 4wd auto and the bands engaging when torque is applied? The BW 44-45 transfer case is identical to the 44-44 but operates as an electronically controlled part-time transfer case with SOF (shift on the fly) capability. The operation is the same except for the control system, which has only four operating ranges: 2 High, 4WD Lock, Neutral and 4WD Low. Thanks for the comparison video.
Wonder why Ford decreased the fuel tank size for Powerboost to 23 gal. (except Platinum) while increasing all other configurations to 36 gal. Also, no towing mirrors are available this year for the Powerboost; sounds like they are discouraging towing with the Powerboost.
Powerboost got rated the least reliable vehicle in NA - I guess they are trying to fix the myriad of problems with it. Towing is probably one of them. I got the coyote v8, I’ll take old reliable but a bit thirsty any day. Used to have the 2.7, it’s a great engine if you want fuel economy.
Hey Andrei, thank you very much! You are the best truck journalist on the net. I wonder what is going to be your choice for the next full size truck you’re buying after that Colorado? Perhaps another F150 or a Chevy 3.0 turbodiesel..
I bought my 2003 Chevy Silverado for $17,000 in 2005. The inflation markup is ridiculous on these new trucks and they're using cheap quality materials. A 12-year-old kid could probably pull that tailgate off the hinges.
Should be making a lot more money nowadays it’s a lot easier to make money now. Inflation is fair if a nice truck was still 17k the grocery store workers would even be driving them.
Sad Ram still using Hemi with is lubrification flaw design 🙁 (it’s why fuel mileage increase with time and why engines start to fail around 200k km…). V6 Pentastar, instead, is very reliable.
I am at the scheduled year to trade up my vehicle foe my growing family. Not only is that impossible for new, it's financially dumb for a used. I'll just hold tight another year and struggle with the kids packed in tight.
Hey, maybe they're getting rid of the classics for 24 since they'll no longer be using that cab design for the HD trucks starting next year or the year after? My understanding was they did offer it as a cheaper alternative but only because they were using the old cab design for the HD trucks so hopefully we'll finally be getting an update on the HD trucks for '25🤞
I continue to be baffled about how Ford 15:49 repeatedly claims “redesigned” trucks but they’re literally the same. Just be honest for once. It’s just a refresh over and over again.
I really hate the digital screens everywhere. Just give me a regular gauge cluster and a column shifter. I truly miss having a manual transmission option.
No Hurricane I-6 for the RAM in 2024?! What ate they waiting for? Sales to drop to 0! They have the exterior styling down pat and the interiors are really nice.
I paid 23k for a 2019 Ram crew cab. It was brand new with 50 miles on it. Today it only has 38k miles on, so I’ll just keep it. They wanted to buy it back lol I don’t need all the bells and whistles. I won’t purchase a vehicle at those prices.
The power booth seems like a great idea until you’re stuck in the middle of nowhere, and nobody knows how to fix it. Also, nobody talks about the legroom difference between the Ford and the ram. I believe the Ford has about three more inches of front legroom.
I see a lot about towing capacity. In my province in Canada, a regular driver's license only permits a person to tow 10,141 lbs. Do some American states have similar laws? For non commercial use, towing capacity is pretty much a mute point it seems.
Hey guys, you guys have the manufacturers ear. I wish you could express concerns I have about truck options. My point is that none of the manufacturers offer a supercab configuration with a nicer trim option, like a Lariat or Larime. And no one offers a sunroof in that body style. I have an oldie but goodie 03 F150 Supercab, and I love its size. I purchased a 22 F150, but had to purchase a crew cab to get the options I wanted. After driving it for 5 months, I sold it. Thank goodness I kept my 03.
We will talk more about this. Thank you for the feedback. The current trend is that manufacturers are narrowing what they offer by removing configurations that are not very popular.
For all the money you spend on these beast you’d think they would need routine maintenance just to keep them rolling…ie: Rebuilding the Ram front wheel bearings every 30K…new circuitry to keep the Chevy/GM head lights and DRL’s glowing, rust inhibitors in the Toyota frame to keep them from rusting out in a couple years, etc. I’m sure there’s more issues…please chime in commenters.
As always, great and informative video, Andre and TFL crew. On top of what GM trucks offer new interior and amazing engines, they also have the best in class bed in any truck on the road. The most cargo space in volume, 89.1 cubic feet of cargo volume on Long Bed models, 71.7 cubic feet on Standard Bed models and 62.9 cubic feet on Short Bed models and the most tie down points at 21 total, making the GM trucks the best choice period.
@@paulhunter9613 If that’s true, what’s your experience? I’m a proud owner of three GM trucks, one 2014 Chevrolet Silverado 1500 with the older Active Fuel Management System and two with the newer Dynamic Fuel Management System, 2019 GMC Sierra and 2020 Chevrolet Silverado 1500, all with the 5.3L V8. All three with over 100,000 miles with ZERO issues with the cylinder deactivation system. That’s because I know how to take care of maintaining my trucks. And with my experience, the systems truly do work, for real.
Sorry, I found this confusing. What is really new in each one? You did not even mention that Ford is including Bluecruise in most if not all their F150 trucks... what about the others? The only thing I got from this is there is a new Ford tailgate and Tremor $11K winch bumper and you like the GM diesel.
"Pricing will be competitive among all the trucks.' Yes, they are all expensive.
Overpriced and over engineered. I would avoid these trucks like the plague.
Rams are selling -25% under MSRP lol
Toyota being the cheapest and most quality, as usual
@@Oakyit’s crazy, a buddy of mine just got a 2023 Rebel with 12k off the sticker.
@@bnorvs5929 The new ones are junk
Let them sit on the lots until they realize they can't gouge people any longer.
But they won't...morons will buy them at any cost. Finance for 10 years. People are so damn stupid it unreal.
most of these are already selling for 10k below MSRP... do you want one for free?
Not free but definitely not inflated like they are. I've bought around 30 vehicles in my life and never once paid MSRP or even close. We are being gouged and it will continue until people show them they can't get away with it.
@iMakeDatBedRock if you could please point me in the direction of a Tundra selling 10k UNDER MSRP, I think we'd all appreciate it
@@iMakeDatBedRockyou’re the typical dumb consumer. Yeah 10k off… they’ve been 10k off for many years now. You know what has changed? The msrp. What’s 10k off matter if the msrp is 10k higher? You see 10k off and your eyes light up. Oh what a good deal! That’s like stores always having a sale lol you’re the idiot that falls for it
Thanks for the introductions Andre. Just blows my mind at how expensive these trucks keep getting. Guess i will continue buying older trucks. Main street America has been priced out of the market.
I wish that were an option but used vehicles are still crazy expensive too. I’d be spending more on a truck with over 100K miles than I would on a down payment for many new trucks, and while I’d have no monthly payment, maintenance and repair costs will be much higher on a yearly basis to keep it running and passing state inspection
Have you seen Main Street lately? Coffee shop chains with $10 lattes and Gourmet Steak Houses where the presentation is the selling point on that $40 6 ounce filet.
Mom and Pop are in the unemployment line, kicked out of their shops by bad regulations and gentrification. Main Street America is now Back Alley America, and they are not marketing new vehicles to those that don’t have 6 figures of disposable income waiting to be wasted to one up their neighbor.
@@Cloud30000I agree. Sadly most people don’t think about their future anymore. Instant gratification is the key for most regardless if they go broke or homeless.. Then pop some antidepressant pill for loosing everything and become a couch potato.. Sadly in my line of work I see this time and time again..
I'd like to see an automaker try to just build a basic, cheap, work truck. Features like a backup camera and 10 inch touchscreen is nice, but just adds way too much to the already boggling MSRP. Some of us just want basic transportation without buying a 20 year old rust bucket.
@@Cloud30000obviously we can see where the marketing is directed at/towards. Just waiting on banks to go to 10-15 year auto loans like boats/rv’s. Then we will see people cry when they go to trade in 2-3 years when something shiny comes off the assembly line.
40k is about my top dollar for a vehicle and that was before interest rates went to the moon. That’s how much both new trucks I bought in the past cost. Both were pretty well fully loaded. Another buyer priced out of the market due to corporate greed.
This money can buy an average midsize pickup truck. But full size is now way above it.
Both my prior Ford F150 Lariat’s were in that price range 40k now I’m looking at 75-80k how did I get priced out of the market?
Maybe 10 years ago
"Corporate Greed" look like you have economics education of a kindergartener. Not only are vehicles higher in price, so is everything else, if you dont want to buy another vehicle you dont need to buy one.
Plus no one mentions taxes, fees, registrations, optional warranties. all that is on top of these high msrps 😠
Before 2020, you rarely saw people complain about vehicle affordability but now it is becoming more & more common as you see it everywhere now . This should indicate to auto makers that the general buying public is unhappy with their pricing strategies of their products. Most of these products price out a lot of the customers.
All it takes is one brave company to build products with affordability in mind as the first priority and when it steals sales like crazy from these greedy OEMs, they will be forced to keep prices reasonable while reducing over engineering their products to justify the higher pricing.
Let's see what Tesla does with the cybertruck pricing, not apples to apples with a gas truck, but it will still take away sales from them all.
I actually think people would be ok with pricing if an emphasis was placed on overall quality. Price and features have skyrocketed but they are built to be obsolete as quickly as possible which is I think pushes people over he edge
@@dsonnek7781lmao I’ve seen better drawings done by grade school kids. That thing is so absurd
Give me a basic truck with a key and manual shifting 4x4 crew cab with locking dif and sway
The American public is still buying new vehicles as fast as they can. The pricing strategies reflect the demand
I have a good job and make a pretty good salary. (Over 100k a year) I am realizing I will never own a brand new truck unless it's the base model. 65 to 70k+ for trucks that are supposed to be marketed to blue-collar workers. Lol! Those days seem to be over folks. I am guessing I'm not the only one thinking that after watching this video. Total sales have got to be down for these manufacturers. They have priced people like me out of the market.
That is how i feel and these are not trucks that you can drive for 20+ years. Once is out of warranty, God help you. Especially GM diesel, good engine but belt driven oil pump and fuel pump that needs replacing at 100k. That is going to be 10k maintenance cost. Also all these hybrids, who knows what problems they're going to have...
Some are financing them over 15 years or so, believe it or not…
Right there with you brother….
We are all here with you brother. Honestly pretty discouraging being in the middle class
@@Oneshawdog8915yrs? That’s incorrect. No bank or cu offers a 15yr note.
Regarding the Tundra hybrid: Toyota has said the hybrid isn’t necessarily to win efficiency but it’s their substitute for a diesel engine. High immediate torque with decent fuel economy. Its gonna be hard for Toyota to get people to think of hybrid use for anything but awesome fuel economy.
They also don’t have the generator like the Fords. It’s a pointless hybrid.
Indeed.
@@nickpasler2629for now yeah, it is strange how it was neutered like that when the upcoming Tacoma and LC have a very similar system with onboard power. I suspect we’ll see the Tundra adopt that pretty soon.
@@nickpasler2629Toyota sold Ford their hybrid technology that it used today. I'm sure they know what they're doing and not making their product inferior to what they designed and sold
@@nickpasler2629 I didn't need a generator. Pointless?? Doubt full, it's not a Ford lol, I would rather have a truck that works. Frequently On Recall Demand isn't my idea of owning quality.
I know which one I’ll be buying: none of them because the automakers have priced us right out of the market!
We don’t want gadgets. We just want a dependable truck that we can afford to buy and service. The more gadgets that go into these trucks the more they cost to buy and the more they cost to repair.
2024…Heck I’m already priced out of the market for a 2023 😬
Everyone who has one brain cell is.
The Ram 1500 offers satisfactory performance and comfort, but I've encountered significant reliability issues. With two engine failures, a troublesome transmission, and numerous visits to the dealership, it feels like problems get patched up until the warranty ends. Be cautious; owning a Ram 1500 might lead to a truck parked in your driveway without an engine, alongside an outstanding loan balance
Looks like I'll hang on to my 2013 Silverado LT I paid $28k for. To replace it, I'd pay over double and not get much in the way of capability if anything. Of course I'd get an iPad on the dash...
Can get a new LT z71 fully loaded 45k super cheap
@@JoshuaOverman. Send me the link please
It's all the same shit but in a nicer looking box.
10 k for a bumper extension, winch, parking sensors and camera relocation?! Insane 😂
It looks like an afterthought haha
For $10,000 I will just come and jump in the bed of your pickup truck and tell you which direction to go just call me every time you want to go into reverse I'll be right there.
Would like to see you expose the common problems these new trucks are having. I work for a company with a fleet of 150. With repetitive problems like Ford cracked frames, turbos, AC climate control sensors needing to remove dashes to replace etc., 2023 Chevrolet trucks with 6k miles transmission reverse not working , DPF filters plugging up, 4x4 not engaging because abs light on., etc. Expose these $60k+ trucks for what the consumer has in store waiting 2 months for repairs, not to mention businesses and income loss. Expose them!
@@azrios Ford is crap, that's forsure
All of these trucks look nice and all but the pricing is way too expensive. I typically buy and keep a truck for 10 years before switching it out for a new one but, given the current price, I rather keep it longer now. I bought my 2010 Tundra Limited for 45k brand new, just don't see spending over 50k for a truck or any car.
You can thanks Democrats for the high price of Full Sized Trucks and SUVs - the car makers must meet EPA stands set by democrats - thus they are trying to slow down purchases of full sized vehicles (gas guzzler's).
@bobjohns8914 yeah I still want to breathe clean air in 50 years so 🤷♂️
When adjusted for today's inflation you paid 63k today for that 45k truck back then. So I don't see why you're whining about cost when you paid more.
@@-----------------------------good point actually.
@@----------------------------- My income didn't adjust for inflation, sorry for being poor.
Here is my expert buyers guide. DO NOT BUY ANY OF THESE TRUCKS IN 2024! They bumped the prices up dramatically claiming there was a chip shortage. What is the excuse now? I hope the auto industry gets a reality check this year. and if its true Ford is going to charge a subscription for their 360 camera, they have just lost a loyal business customer for good. I don't do anything subscriptions.
Their excuse this year will be the auto worker strike
Great advice. I will not pay 40-50k for a basic work truck that has endless recalls, issues and a short warranty. If the warranty doesn't outlast the loan? No way.
Why won't these automakers get rid of all the stupid features and make them cheaper? It drives me nuts!
I recommend that you extend the warranty on your Chevrolet trucks because the transmission crashes at 70,000 miles, that happened to me.
In my experience, Chevy trucks lose their transmissions between 70-120k miles. Been that way since the late 90s.
My boss bought a 21' Silverado with 36k miles on his 2 visit to the dealership for trans issues.
Yea man, i had a chevy impala SS with the ls4 V8 and my tranny had to be replaced 3 times in a span of 3 years. Never trusting chevy trans again, i went with the ram 1500 because reliability and that german style 8spd zf850re trans thats loved by many auto makers. I have a zf in my bmw x3.
Unless you have the Allison transmission.
The new 10-speeds are solid, no issues with mine paired with my 6.2 so far. It was also co-developed between Ford and GM, so two big companies pooled their resources and engineers for it. Pretty reassuring.
I love having a big screen tv on the dash , it will never go out of date, and i like looking at it better then out the windshield .
I guess that’s a plus in the mall parking lot or at Starbucks. Truck guys don’t care about stuff like that, we want a truck that will do truck stuff like tow and go off road and haul without breaking down.
Man at $60,000 minimum I’m not the slightest bit interested in a new truck and I pull in 6 figures.
Agreed , I just sold my 2010 Tundra with 231,000 for 10k and purchased a 2021 Limited TRD for 42k. Total cost of 32k for a Tundra that should last me 10 years!
Thank you Andrea for your videos. I think I’ll just keep my 2015 F150 FLT in my 2009 Silverado classic these trucks pricing are ridiculous.
If I bought anyone of those trucks with all the options, it would cost more than I paid for my house. Insane!
@@gcrash68 do you live in a porta potty?
I want to get a new truck like the Ram but I can’t see myself affording it… $60k plus dealer markups and high interest is just bad… and my credit isn’t even bad.
gotta pay to be with the big boys
@@iMakeDatBedRock one day i will
Went to see a 23 tundra...my payments will come out to 1k a month. And i make 100k yearly. Ridiculous pricing
Pre-pandemic it was easy to find a 1 year used full-size for 20-30k down, I think next year it'll be back to that with interest rates up. Even during the pandemic you could find dealerships still marking 8% down from MSRP if you spent 5 minutes to shop. Just wait the stealerships out.
You're a year too late bud, trucks have been discounted since last year and some manufacturers are offering 0%
I just priced out the 2024 AT4 with the 3.0 diesel. It priced out at almost $73K, before taxes and fees.
About $30,000 over priced!
I float in and out of the "1%" year after year. Medical Sales. Im doing pretty well, and I cant believe how expensive these trucks have become. They just arent affordable. You have very well to do people buying these, and people who end up "truck poor" under the weight of the payments. They just arent reasonable for most Americans.
Now the UAW is going to strike, and supply chain will get even more screwed up. I dont see prices ever coming back down to normal levels. Upper 40s to mid 50s is where these trucks belong. NOT 75K plus
i hope chevy keeps in their smaller half ton duramax, im loving mine in my 2023 1500. tons of torque and my average mpg is just under 27mpg! long road trips i get about 650-670mi per tank (24gal) with my best tank getting 682mi. they just really need to add a larger fuel tank capacity.. up to 30gal tank you could push 850 miles with a larger tank, no need to stop anywhere on those 8-12hr road trips if you dont want to!
Hopefully you sell it before it gets to 175k miles or your going to do the $4000 maintenance pull that transmission to change that belt. Otherwise it’s decent
@@dcman4902The 3.0L Duramax engine inspection interval is now extended to 200k miles.
850 miles, wow! I will need to stop for a restroom break
@@dcman4902 that will be years down the line, thats not bad either... i dont expect to purchase ANYTHING with so many moving parts to have zero service needed. 4k isnt that bad if you look at it over 7-10yr of ownership
Living in Europe only the RAM 1500 is a real option. It's the only one available in moderate numbers, while others like the F150 are rare - you might find one, but they're super rare. The RAM is also well prepared for export right from the factory, which makes it easier to import it here ...
Ford will bring the F150 to Europe soon, but so far it basically doesn't exist here
I chose a 2022 RAM 1500 Rebel G/T with Ramboxes and eTorque and I'm very happy with it
Having a rebel gt must be sweet in Europe, must tower over all the little cars
Ram is an awesome ride, tied for the best interior imo. I have a RAM now, but just ordered a Tremor F150.
@@alextessier3452 it towers little cars like it towers little cars in any other country. But it doesn't tower large SUVs, offroad cars, vans, trucks ...
@@heavenhelpus479 there are pros and cons on every pickup truck. Thus I don't really like the step to get onto the bed on the RAM, would rather prefer the multi-fold tailgate from GMC or the step from the F150 in that aspect. The G/T's interior is nice, it's not too basic, but I love the Longhorn's interior way better. However the only Longhorn they had at the dealership was used and for me it has too much chrome in the front. So I went with the more offroad capable Rebel
@@EnjoyFirefighting So true - pros and cons all over. And of course there's no accounting for taste. Check that Yota!
Love my Tundra Hybrid, the truck is a blast to drive and I love the look. FYI: 21-22mgs freeway/highway driving.
Nice. Thank you for the feedback.
Nice...i'm waiting for a 2024 Limited Hybrid Crewmax, TRD Off-Road, 6'5" bed...Hope it arrives before Christmas:)
The 3.0 Duramax is by far the best full-size pick up truck engine that you can possibly get. Imo
Not if you want peek power
@@noahunderwood5858 if you want peek power pay the 110k for the Trx
Since I always use a bed topper, those RAM side boxes are a bust.
Somebody makes a lift kit for Ram Boxes. It lifts your cap high enough to open the Ramboxes at the press of a button. Only$1700...lol
You can just get a Ram without the Ram boxes
@@dor1tomcswagger69 Or get the class leading F150
@@kylebutler7142 class leading for what? Worst quality and reliability 😂
That would be the Ram, unless you believe consumer reports lol@@dor1tomcswagger69
"2024 Truck Buyer's Guide"... Cool! I'm going to watch it! 30 seconds in: actually, all too expensive for me, no way I'm going to buy one anyway. I think I'll just quit watching and go type something in the comments...
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The problem here is this. The prices for trucks is insane and a joke. There is no need for the price of a truck being as high as some homes, small homes, one bedroom homes, but still a home.
I used to trade in my truck every 2-3yrs for the latest and greatest. With the price gouge, I'll keep my truck for 20+yrs.
Drove all of these trucks myself. Ended up going with a Ram Laramie Sport (Granite color). Absolutely love the truck. Best interior and best integration of the center console screen without making it look like they just shoved an iPad on the dash. Drives smooth and the cab is nice and quiet. Even the rear seats recline. I don't tow any trailers that come anywhere near 6 tons, so an extra half ton of towing isn't a big deal for what I need.
Same here. Just love it. Got a 2019 Longhorn and truck has been flawless. Great truck and fabulous power train.
@@ramrider1453 Agrees. Love the power that 5.7 puts out.. Maybe a little too much.. lol
@@JohnDough-d6o only problem is you bought a RAM. Stellantis piece of junk that won't last 100k miles. Enjoy!
That tundra trd pro is a 2023 not a 2024 because it doesn’t have the black headliner
Hoping for more diesel half tons in the coming years. The 3.0 Duramax sold me on the Silverado. I'd like to see competition from others to get more and better diesels in this segment.
Ram had a good one but once the govt forced them to add all the emissions bs to it it lost its reliability
with the amount of money going towards EV trucks, i doubt we'll see any more 1500 diesels. the GM 3L might very well be the last one.
They already killed the eco diesel so I highly doubt it will come back
I wish we would too, but both RAM and Ford tried and the buyers were not there. Also the performance was not there. The Rams had trouble and were burning to the ground. The Ford was being outperformed by its turbo v6s. The performance was too close to justify the additional diesel maintenance. Sadly we will not see more diesels.
@@brada1997 from what I heard the pre emissions fines set up on the Eco diesel were pretty good but once they were forced to fix the emissions passing software a lot of them had issues and lost a lot of their performance
Like most people who watch these videos, I love pickup trucks. That being said, the only thing that would spark my interest into getting a new one is a big leap in fuel efficiency.
Paying these type of prices for a vehicle that isn't much better on gas then my 06 F150 XLT is hard to justify, even if they come better equipped feature/tech wise.
For $100,000 you could treat your vehicle to the full custom treatment. Custom paint tires rims lift kit seating custom Dash with built-in computers and High Performance Engine with a turbo. Hard to justify the cost of a new truck
Same with me and my 08 F150. Just hit 200k last week and it still runs like a top and doesn't have a spec of rust or issue.
@@e4gail you can do a lot of repairs for $100,000.
Thank you Andrea for your videos.
Yup all these newer trucks going to be sitting in the dealership parking lots looking lonely if they don’t start cutting the prices down🤷🏽♂️ it still to expensive 🤦🏽♂️
Base models starting at the low, low price of $65,000! Building back better baby! Woohoo!
Straight 6 diesel one of the best and smoothest engine displacements! Would love to own one especially bmw m550d
Ford OWN's wholesale the market for the cheapest V8 sleeper work/race truck; that $38,565 RCSB (6.5 foot bed), V8 that comes standard with 3.73s and a locker ! Because the clued up types are on to that combo, I think the real sleeper now will be the RCLB version (8.0 foot bed); @ $40,235, in work truck white of coarse !!
All of these trucks are expensive, but if i had to choose one. It would be an F150, I love that ecoboost engine.
I wanted to replace my 2018 F150 in a year or so for another full-size truck. With these prices i will have to keep my 150 or step into a midside. What are these manufacturers doing? The middle class cant afford these vehicles
Picked up a 2024 GMC Sierra 2500HD AT4 with the 6.6L Duramax fully loaded with all the options ... what a beautiful, solid and great performing truck with a nice comfortable enough drive to work as a daily driver as well. Still think GMC has the overall lead on trucks especially with the new Duramax updates and the new styling and interiors. The GMC trucks feel much more solid and durable to drive; hard to explain but driving a Ford and GMC back to back you really notice the difference. RAM is still at the lower end despite the chintzy 50" screen in the center of the dash haha
those AT4s are beauties.
I hate the truck market now. They are all ridiculously over priced, and to the point that workers can't afford a work truck. The quality has gone out the door in support of unnecessary technology and government mandates.
I love it
I’d hate for the McDonald’s worker to pull up beside me and show off his new truck. I’m glad pricing is way it is
@JoshuaOverman or the people that don't use trucks for their purpose.
If it is possible to get a 5.0 crate motor in the future for my 2014 Ford, I would rather do that. If I cannot keep the 2014s running, it will be horse and buggy for me.
75k for a truck is ridiculous who are they marketing trucks for? Millionaires? If you have a combined household income of 100k, it’s hard to justify spending that much for a vehicle if you don’t need it for work. A truck used to be a vehicle for the average guy, now their over engineered for the rich and the wealthy and used trucks cost too much. It’s harder and harder to find something the everyday person can afford. And recently auto workers went on strike for higher wages. Which means base model trucks will be right around 60k to 65k. And as minimum wage increases prices for everything is going to keep increasing.
Well done, Andre!
Thank you for the kind words.
Love the F-150 my favorite!
You guys are the best. Love your videos!
Chevy should make a bed organizer system like ford and dodge .I think the ford winch looks it out of place
Yea, it’s out there.
Sad Ram still using Hemi with is lubrification flaw design 🙁 (it’s why fuel mileage increase with time and why engines start to fail around 200k km…).
V6 Pentastar, instead, is reliable.
I would like to know when the Toyota Capstone is going to offer different interior colors. The white interior is not the best option for a truck. I loved the Capstone, but couldn't get past that interior color.
Toyota sucks bro!!
Ram boxes are a cool idea but I still prefer my Titan boxes because they are easily removable.
True that.
People keep saying they'll just buy used because of pricing. But when new truck sales drop, used trucks go up. So a 200,000 mile Silverado or F150 4x4 can bring $35,000 and have no warranty on its $8,000 transmission.
Maybe people mean they want to daily a really old truck?
No ones paying 35k for an f150 with 200k miles unless theyre missing chromosomes you clown
Love the Tremor
That Toyota at my dealership was 83k for a pro model. 83k for a Toyota truck is insane. Will wait for the tesla CT
Lol cyber truck
Someone slapped that winch on the front of the tremor. Looks like an afterthought.
That’s the point it’s to show you how to put aftermarket things on the new modular bumper
It’s called a modular bumper. It literally is in the name why it’s like that. So you can put different things on it easily, MODULAR!
And it's $10k
I just looks like a shelf. Way better looking when winches are built into the bumper and you don’t actually see them. Just see the fairlead
@@tylersrubar6451 Modular bumper, what's so hard to understand ?
Great job! Great overview. I am impressed.
Thank you for watching.
Just makes sure you have $80,000 or else you can’t afford a truck
gotta pay to play
Audrea i was really impressed with your knowledge of the new trucks,
Thank you and thank you for watching.
Toyota tundra easy pick
Wish you had pointed the cheaped out transaxle. We get the 4wd auto on my 2023 1500 Limited Longhorn at the expense of moving bands - that I suggest will wear out quickly. It's a Borg Warner 44-44 I think and we need the old fashion 44-45?? I found this below and value your input. Did RAM cheap out the 4wd auto and the bands engaging when torque is applied?
The BW 44-45 transfer case is identical to the 44-44 but operates as an electronically controlled part-time transfer case with SOF (shift on the fly) capability. The operation is the same except for the control system, which has only four operating ranges: 2 High, 4WD Lock, Neutral and 4WD Low.
Thanks for the comparison video.
I love our ram boxes
We have a 21 limited
Added 20 years to myself yesterday when I ordered a King Ranch.
Wonder why Ford decreased the fuel tank size for Powerboost to 23 gal. (except Platinum) while increasing all other configurations to 36 gal. Also, no towing mirrors are available this year for the Powerboost; sounds like they are discouraging towing with the Powerboost.
Powerboost got rated the least reliable vehicle in NA - I guess they are trying to fix the myriad of problems with it. Towing is probably one of them. I got the coyote v8, I’ll take old reliable but a bit thirsty any day. Used to have the 2.7, it’s a great engine if you want fuel economy.
Somebody stated the gas tank size is a typo on the website. A typo makes the most sense but it's hard to verify.
Powerboost fuel tank is still 30.6 gallons as before.
Hey Andrei, thank you very much! You are the best truck journalist on the net. I wonder what is going to be your choice for the next full size truck you’re buying after that Colorado? Perhaps another F150 or a Chevy 3.0 turbodiesel..
Ill just hang on to my 2002 F150 and my 2012 Raptor. Both reliable and paid for.
I appreciate the bottom line reviews of all trucks. Very informative
I bought my 2003 Chevy Silverado for $17,000 in 2005. The inflation markup is ridiculous on these new trucks and they're using cheap quality materials. A 12-year-old kid could probably pull that tailgate off the hinges.
Should be making a lot more money nowadays it’s a lot easier to make money now. Inflation is fair if a nice truck was still 17k the grocery store workers would even be driving them.
Ram All Day
My only real complaint with the Ram is the fact it's made by Stellantis.
Yet it's the most reliable American pick up as of now 😂 Ram is still made in Canada and the US
@@dor1tomcswagger69 Ram is less American than Toyota
I went with the Ram Diesel because the fuel capacity in the Chevy was so small
Awesome job Andre! I still love the Ram's interior and that Hemi!
Thank you for watching.
Sad Ram still using Hemi with is lubrification flaw design 🙁 (it’s why fuel mileage increase with time and why engines start to fail around 200k km…).
V6 Pentastar, instead, is very reliable.
@@manuelkorivu3966 I have had both motors and have been fine. I don't keep a car or truck much over two years, so I'm not worried. Cheers!
Average buyer can no longer afford any of these trucks any longer. Just disappointing. They are now priced for 5% of population.
@@gwizz911 that's a very good point.
I would do the Ford hybrid. They are the same price this year as the regular gas truck. And man are they fast and powerful
I am at the scheduled year to trade up my vehicle foe my growing family. Not only is that impossible for new, it's financially dumb for a used. I'll just hold tight another year and struggle with the kids packed in tight.
Does any manufacturer read the general publics views on these insane prices?
Hey, maybe they're getting rid of the classics for 24 since they'll no longer be using that cab design for the HD trucks starting next year or the year after? My understanding was they did offer it as a cheaper alternative but only because they were using the old cab design for the HD trucks so hopefully we'll finally be getting an update on the HD trucks for '25🤞
We will have to wait a little longer to know for sure.
I continue to be baffled about how Ford 15:49 repeatedly claims “redesigned” trucks but they’re literally the same. Just be honest for once. It’s just a refresh over and over again.
All these towing numbers are within a couple hundred lbs. Big Deal. Nobody going to switch brands for a couple hundred lbs. of towing.
What’s the most affordable, reliable, fuel efficient 1/2 ton under 55 gas / hybrid engine ? 😅 thinking on purchasing my first 1/2 ton
Ford f-150 XLT - perhaps?
Awesome thank you 🙏 do you know of an 2nd option as well ?
Would consider cloth but would like non cloth seats
Nissan Titan (not fuel efficient) but you get 100k warranty. I'm very happy with my 2021 xd. This is the truck i would buy today.
@@SaiyanSlayer_ then you will need to increase your budget or find something slightly used. Adding leather is like 2-3k with katzkin.
I really hate the digital screens everywhere. Just give me a regular gauge cluster and a column shifter. I truly miss having a manual transmission option.
Take the Ford
How is the New Hurricane engine not in the 24 Ram
When does RAM suppose to show the new refreshed 1500 with new inline-six?
just this week i think
2/15/2024
Dp the ram boxes still warp?
No Hurricane I-6 for the RAM in 2024?! What ate they waiting for? Sales to drop to 0! They have the exterior styling down pat and the interiors are really nice.
I paid 23k for a 2019 Ram crew cab. It was brand new with 50 miles on it. Today it only has 38k miles on, so I’ll just keep it. They wanted to buy it back lol I don’t need all the bells and whistles. I won’t purchase a vehicle at those prices.
Excellent video Andre!! Thanks!
The power booth seems like a great idea until you’re stuck in the middle of nowhere, and nobody knows how to fix it. Also, nobody talks about the legroom difference between the Ford and the ram. I believe the Ford has about three more inches of front legroom.
I see a lot about towing capacity. In my province in Canada, a regular driver's license only permits a person to tow 10,141 lbs. Do some American states have similar laws? For non commercial use, towing capacity is pretty much a mute point it seems.
Hey guys, you guys have the manufacturers ear. I wish you could express concerns I have about truck options. My point is that none of the manufacturers offer a supercab configuration with a nicer trim option, like a Lariat or Larime. And no one offers a sunroof in that body style. I have an oldie but goodie 03 F150 Supercab, and I love its size. I purchased a 22 F150, but had to purchase a crew cab to get the options I wanted. After driving it for 5 months, I sold it. Thank goodness I kept my 03.
We will talk more about this. Thank you for the feedback. The current trend is that manufacturers are narrowing what they offer by removing configurations that are not very popular.
I only went with crew cab because it was suggested crew cab gets quite a bit higher resale value & a few 1000 more didn't make a difference to myself.
I dare you to go look for any one of these trucks for the mentioned price.
You would have to order those bare bones trucks to see the base price. I’m using it for comparison purposes.
Why do the new limiteds not have the wood trim on top of the steering wheel? My 19 does
Would be way more helpful to know payload for model shown and mid grade trim than the base model IMHO.
Are the GM trucks getting the updated interior across all trims?
For all the money you spend on these beast you’d think they would need routine maintenance just to keep them rolling…ie: Rebuilding the Ram front wheel bearings every 30K…new circuitry to keep the Chevy/GM head lights and DRL’s glowing, rust inhibitors in the Toyota frame to keep them from rusting out in a couple years, etc. I’m sure there’s more issues…please chime in commenters.
As always, great and informative video, Andre and TFL crew.
On top of what GM trucks offer new interior and amazing engines, they also have the best in class bed in any truck on the road. The most cargo space in volume, 89.1 cubic feet of cargo volume on Long Bed models, 71.7 cubic feet on Standard Bed models and 62.9 cubic feet on Short Bed models and the most tie down points at 21 total, making the GM trucks the best choice period.
They also have cylinder deactivation in their engines, known to fail before 100k
Not if maintained well. Every truck does not have it. Other manufacturers have issues as well.
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If that’s true, what’s your experience?
I’m a proud owner of three GM trucks, one 2014 Chevrolet Silverado 1500 with the older Active Fuel Management System and two with the newer Dynamic Fuel Management System, 2019 GMC Sierra and 2020 Chevrolet Silverado 1500, all with the 5.3L V8. All three with over 100,000 miles with ZERO issues with the cylinder deactivation system. That’s because I know how to take care of maintaining my trucks. And with my experience, the systems truly do work, for real.
@@COChevyTrainMan1990 google is your friend look it up yourself
I will buy the truck that does not implement subscriptions to use hardware that I’ve already paid for.
Sorry, I found this confusing. What is really new in each one? You did not even mention that Ford is including Bluecruise in most if not all their F150 trucks... what about the others? The only thing I got from this is there is a new Ford tailgate and Tremor $11K winch bumper and you like the GM diesel.