Stone's comment is rather telling: in my studio, the young women initially ALL want to sing high and bright- i.e., derived from bad choral singing (from bad singers who turn to conducting HS choirs, rather than spend the 8-10 YEARS it often takes to learn to sing/teach singing) But, from videos like these (where you see singers doing technique), and reading the old books (for teaching is completely different than performing), one learns that you HAVE to sing a 'bright vowel in a dark space'- but first you have to find that space, and adjust your own perception of what a tone sounds like (inside and outside your own head!)- and then let it develop organically. This 'inside grimace' (or outside smile) stuff is a vocal dead end- I know!
@@vangogh66110Thank you for exposing your hypocrisy and inner immaturity. I do hope you improve though, as wishing ill will is a true waste of everyone’s time. God bless.
@@EmilyGloeggler7984 HA! Says you, Emily cause you've been exposing your endless hypocrisy and immaturity all your life here in TH-cam and for the record, I appreciate every good old opera singer knowing each of them have their own ways of interpreting arias unlike you who wastes her time in throwing one-track opinions nobody gives a hell about so God bless you, Ms. Green and may God help your talentless soul
@@vangogh66110 Once again you’ve proven and documented for all to see your own continued hypocrisy and ignorance without fail. I haven’t spent most of my life on TH-cam, thanks because I actually have a real life and enjoying my recent marriage and spending time with my husband and family. Your continual hypocrisy and continued immaturity and weak attempts at venom however are wasting everyone’s time, including your own and sadly, your behavior is not ignored by God though, I hope God will show mercy to you, unlike you have done towards me. For someone who claims to not give a damn, your comment indicates the opposite. Learn to take a look in the mirror and hopefully you will improve.
Although if you look at tapes, Pavarotti began with a very vertical mouth position, which became distinctly horizontal in his heyday. James King sang with a horizontal position. In his own Fach each was known for brilliant high notes.
In Spain, we call it ”the fool's smile" . It's a mistake either singing and acting. Moreover, in my region, we have ”desgaguillado”, very similar to Italian sgangherato.
It’s true, barbieri does like a Broadway belt equivalent of head voice. Lifting larynx as she goes up in pitch. It’s not a physical coordination issue, it’s more an aural perception fault-- I.e. she mentally goes for a wrong sound as she goes up because she’s not sure what it sounds like in her voice to keep the depth
I have thoroughly enjoyed many of your mini- lectures…and agree with 99% of your comments and conclusions….especially the ignorance of how great so many “ignored “ or “unknown “singers of the past were , just because they aren’t household names…such is life….jd….
Somehow a lot of that might be because she was also singing higher repertoire roles than she should have been doing more time over than it was suited for her - a lot of higher assoluta-like mezzo roles which have more than just pure dramatic mezzo type - and she was mostly for sure a CONTRALTO at least since she got over her middle 40s, so she could have been doing most of dramatic mezzo roles when younger but over her middle-40s she shouldn´t have singing that on less oftenly than before, and over 60s she shouldn´t have done more of it furtherly, however she still managed to sing that untill middle to late 70s and just got into full true contralto just before passing away, and by then her voice was mostly ruined to do that better - in a "Cavalleria Rusticana" singing Mamma Lucia as contralto, she has actually a bigger voice than any of the other performers in better health and younger voice sound, however she is barely singing the role there as there was too much dammage for doing higher roles than she should have done for most of her life.
She is absolutely a natural mezzo. Even when older. Her passaggi were always that of a mezzo, as was her tone. The issue with her top was largely due to the lacking technique in that department and quite frankly a ton of pushing and lack of balance in the vowels.
The kirkby did not bloom.... she pushed it open it was wrong... the fact that it went straight tone proves my point.... ugh..... you really have to quit using the constricted term. You aren't using it right. The smile is belcanto technique but you have to do it perfectly. Notice how much more motion in the sound nilsson has. She still lifts the upper lip for the smile. Her voice is very high though. The last note she went into a different register which is why she stopped and started the pitch alone. If she had sang a legato scale you would have heard what she was doing. Some people have a lot of range and can get by singing with an inferior technique, if you don't have the extra notes and do it wrong you won't make it.
We feel like you're the last person who should criticize others for their use of terminology. It seems like every comment you make is about some beef you have with our terminology in four year old videos. You frequently insist on this usage or that usage, but as far as we can tell your comments are almost completely meaningless 🤷 Lots of people just as qualified as you make their equally arbitrary claims of the "right" terminology. Why should people interested in singing be interested in your disputes apropos your listening experiences? What's the benefit either way? We can think of no benefit. We have seen no examples of anyone becoming a better singer by adhering to your terminology.
When you think that Baltsa and Zajik were considered great singers, one is bound to consider Barbieri as a top singer. And don’t get me started on today’s mezzos (or sopranos). This video is totally useless.
10:40 her voice in histeric! Are you cant listen!? Before screaming she alredy done with high tessitura for her mezzo timbre. Barbieri mustnt has a composers freak high notes, like any mezzo, they are screaming on the high notes
On a 0:48 she imitates, voice isnt free, chews. 3:26 proper depth!? 😂 another mezzo with struggling on unnecessery "high" notes. For mezzos it must be others high notes. For such channels "amazing" will be a screamer 6:56, everything was forced. Channels dont know what vocal is it, producing more and more delusional things with bad examples. Chest is a support - not for screams! callas, tebaldi, bass caruso, barker monaco were a bunch of screamers with wrong timbres
That nilson in the end with screams shows what lvl of the "knowledge" still people have on a vocal. Its a screams 10:31, but sandwiched barker bari monaco was far worser
Stone's comment is rather telling: in my studio, the young women initially ALL want to sing high and bright- i.e., derived from bad choral singing (from bad singers who turn to conducting HS choirs, rather than spend the 8-10 YEARS it often takes to learn to sing/teach singing) But, from videos like these (where you see singers doing technique), and reading the old books (for teaching is completely different than performing), one learns that you HAVE to sing a 'bright vowel in a dark space'- but first you have to find that space, and adjust your own perception of what a tone sounds like (inside and outside your own head!)- and then let it develop organically. This 'inside grimace' (or outside smile) stuff is a vocal dead end- I know!
I love that, sing brightly in a dark space. Bravo
Ever upload a video comparing different versions of Nessun Dorma? Florez, Pavarotti, Domingo, Kauffman etc.. It would be cool to see it :)
As great as those low notes were it was always those high notes that had me flinching😅
Her high notes were atrocious.
@@EmilyGloeggler7984 You're the atrocious one, sweetheart so go waste your oxygen on something else
@@vangogh66110Thank you for exposing your hypocrisy and inner immaturity. I do hope you improve though, as wishing ill will is a true waste of everyone’s time. God bless.
@@EmilyGloeggler7984 HA! Says you, Emily cause you've been exposing your endless hypocrisy and immaturity all your life here in TH-cam and for the record, I appreciate every good old opera singer knowing each of them have their own ways of interpreting arias unlike you who wastes her time in throwing one-track opinions nobody gives a hell about so God bless you, Ms. Green and may God help your talentless soul
@@vangogh66110 Once again you’ve proven and documented for all to see your own continued hypocrisy and ignorance without fail. I haven’t spent most of my life on TH-cam, thanks because I actually have a real life and enjoying my recent marriage and spending time with my husband and family. Your continual hypocrisy and continued immaturity and weak attempts at venom however are wasting everyone’s time, including your own and sadly, your behavior is not ignored by God though, I hope God will show mercy to you, unlike you have done towards me. For someone who claims to not give a damn, your comment indicates the opposite. Learn to take a look in the mirror and hopefully you will improve.
Although if you look at tapes, Pavarotti began with a very vertical mouth position, which became distinctly horizontal in his heyday. James King sang with a horizontal position. In his own Fach each was known for brilliant high notes.
Very educational video!
In Spain, we call it ”the fool's smile" . It's a mistake either singing and acting. Moreover, in my region, we have ”desgaguillado”, very similar to Italian sgangherato.
It’s true, barbieri does like a Broadway belt equivalent of head voice. Lifting larynx as she goes up in pitch. It’s not a physical coordination issue, it’s more an aural perception fault-- I.e. she mentally goes for a wrong sound as she goes up because she’s not sure what it sounds like in her voice to keep the depth
My issue as a bass baritone
3:24
I have thoroughly enjoyed many of your mini- lectures…and agree with 99% of your comments and conclusions….especially the ignorance of how great so many “ignored “ or “unknown “singers of the past were , just because they aren’t household names…such is life….jd….
Somehow a lot of that might be because she was also singing higher repertoire roles than she should have been doing more time over than it was suited for her - a lot of higher assoluta-like mezzo roles which have more than just pure dramatic mezzo type - and she was mostly for sure a CONTRALTO at least since she got over her middle 40s, so she could have been doing most of dramatic mezzo roles when younger but over her middle-40s she shouldn´t have singing that on less oftenly than before, and over 60s she shouldn´t have done more of it furtherly, however she still managed to sing that untill middle to late 70s and just got into full true contralto just before passing away, and by then her voice was mostly ruined to do that better - in a "Cavalleria Rusticana" singing Mamma Lucia as contralto, she has actually a bigger voice than any of the other performers in better health and younger voice sound, however she is barely singing the role there as there was too much dammage for doing higher roles than she should have done for most of her life.
She is absolutely a natural mezzo. Even when older. Her passaggi were always that of a mezzo, as was her tone. The issue with her top was largely due to the lacking technique in that department and quite frankly a ton of pushing and lack of balance in the vowels.
The kirkby did not bloom.... she pushed it open it was wrong... the fact that it went straight tone proves my point.... ugh..... you really have to quit using the constricted term. You aren't using it right. The smile is belcanto technique but you have to do it perfectly. Notice how much more motion in the sound nilsson has. She still lifts the upper lip for the smile. Her voice is very high though. The last note she went into a different register which is why she stopped and started the pitch alone. If she had sang a legato scale you would have heard what she was doing. Some people have a lot of range and can get by singing with an inferior technique, if you don't have the extra notes and do it wrong you won't make it.
We feel like you're the last person who should criticize others for their use of terminology. It seems like every comment you make is about some beef you have with our terminology in four year old videos. You frequently insist on this usage or that usage, but as far as we can tell your comments are almost completely meaningless 🤷
Lots of people just as qualified as you make their equally arbitrary claims of the "right" terminology. Why should people interested in singing be interested in your disputes apropos your listening experiences? What's the benefit either way?
We can think of no benefit. We have seen no examples of anyone becoming a better singer by adhering to your terminology.
When you think that Baltsa and Zajik were considered great singers, one is bound to consider Barbieri as a top singer. And don’t get me started on today’s mezzos (or sopranos). This video is totally useless.
Baltsa is not great?
@@maximillian6222exactly
10:40 her voice in histeric!
Are you cant listen!?
Before screaming she alredy done with high tessitura for her mezzo timbre.
Barbieri mustnt has a composers freak high notes, like any mezzo, they are screaming on the high notes
Because she had a low voice? 😄
(Joking, I fully get the point)
Ridiculous !
What is?
To be honest she didn't really have great low notes either... but the middle was great and chesty
On a 0:48 she imitates, voice isnt free, chews.
3:26 proper depth!? 😂 another mezzo with struggling on unnecessery "high" notes.
For mezzos it must be others high notes.
For such channels "amazing" will be a screamer 6:56, everything was forced.
Channels dont know what vocal is it, producing more and more delusional things with bad examples.
Chest is a support - not for screams!
callas, tebaldi, bass caruso, barker monaco were a bunch of screamers with wrong timbres
That nilson in the end with screams shows what lvl of the "knowledge" still people have on a vocal.
Its a screams 10:31, but sandwiched barker bari monaco was far worser