Ten Hag Debate: STAY OR GO?! | Off The Bar
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Should Erik ten Hag remain as Manchester United manager? We debate it! It's Joe Smith Vs Joe McGrath! Jay Motty is your referee.
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0:00 - Video Start
3:17 - Transfers
15:20 - Turmoil
23:07 - Man Management
27:50 - Style Of Play
38:19 - Results
48:37 - Alternative Managers
55:33 - Final Cases
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Like this comment if your 'Ten Hag In', reply if your 'Ten Hag Out'! 👇
Get him gone
Ten Hag out
Sorry, but he's not had two good games all season and he spent £140m on Antony and Mount. We've had great wingers and spaffed our budget on more when we needed other areas covered. I'd probably get Tuchel in. Even better, just choose a style and stick to it for a decade and get in the best managers at that style, which may even be him in the short term (if the style we choose is no midfield whatsoever....😂😂😂).
Zero hags for me
EtH in. Play the youth and sell the dead weight so he can implement a style. These players treat the ball like a bomb.
I think Joe made some good points. But so did Joe. My default position was to agree with Joe. But I may have been swayed by some of the points that Joe made. Ultimately, I think Joe wins that debate.
I disagree. Joe obviously won.
Ridiculous. Joe took Joe to the cleaners.
I think those Ladyboys ruined J in Thailand he's come back talking more nonsense than usual.
🤣
Sorry I can’t be having this, Joe ran rings around Joe for the whole debate, the winner is clearly Joe.
We need to be building for the future that's why we bought Hojlund instead of some established striker. "We need goals now" is why we have bought so many flops over the last ten years or so because we want instant success and are panic buying all the time. ETH needs at least another year, we can't keep chopping and changing creating instability all the time.
Utd fans are stuck in a vicious cycle: Want a manager to build for the future, 2 years in want a proven manager who can deliver trophies NOW, 18 months later, want a manager who will build for the future - complete desperados
The sancho situation is so shit. Player doesn't train well, late for training routinely, manager who gave him 2 months off to get in shape mentally and physically finally has enough and when asked about said player, says he didn't train well enough to be in team. Sancho comes out with a statement saying manager is lying and implies he doesn't like how eth plays Antony ahead of him
What I don't understand is why some people don't think sancho should leave. Like, if you're eth and have a player that trains shit and plays shit (sancho) of course you're going to start the player that plays shit but trains well at least (antony).
Let's not forget that he was poor under ole who basically let him do whatever he wanted. If you think managers like pep, or klopp would put up with that you're mad
Sancho doesn’t give a flying f about United. End of.
Rating Ten Hags man management skills isn't difficult. Antony and Martinez said they'd follow him to United before United signed for them. Onana followed him. Amrabat came to United. If he wasn't so good with man management none of those players would've made the move to United for him.
maybe, just maybe you should look a little deeper into WHY they would follow him to united?? could it possible be the incredible wage increase they'd all receive???? use your brain man
Martinez Ajax wage per week £20k
Martinez utd wage £120k
onana inter wage £62k
onana utd wage £120k
antony wage ajax £25k
antony utd wage £200k
amrabat wage fiorentina £32k
amrabat wage utd £65k
every player is making twice as more or more than their wages from before.
it had nothing to do with ETH, because if he really had the man management skills you claim than De jong would be on utd right now, because ofcourse utd could match and exceed his wages at Barcelona but De Jong doesn't want to play for ETH. Nothing to so with UTD. De jong is paid very well for Barca and even a pay increase couldn't entice him yo come play for ETH again.
so your point is stupid. he is shite and his man management skills are amateur at best. he better with ajax because it's a bunch of kids who have no stature in the game yet.
Bad manager wont get you into3 finals in 2 years,sit down child@shafer.chris.2244
@@shafer.chris.2244 No they had opportunities to go to bigger clubs but they choose United for EtH.
@BaronSlayer Um excuse me? Bigger clubs than Man United? I think you mean clubs that are playing better than united, and like I said, Players will ALWAYS choose the money, unless they already have enough of it. they would be stupid not too. for instance antony had made around 4 million playing 3 seasons at Ajax. He will have made 20million in 2 seasons at Utd. it's just common sense Man. not many teams can offer the wages utd can. if you think different then you must be silly.
@@shafer.chris.2244I mean bigger clubs trophy wise. United is not even in the top 8 clubs if you look at the trophies.
If you actually look at Tuchel’s ‘failing outs’, the Dortmund one really stemmed from disagreements with the CEO over transfers and agreeing to play the champions league game the day after the bus was bombed. Since then, Dortmund have been managed by an assortment of ‘Yes’ men and they dumped the one who wasn’t (Marco Rose) after a year for happy smiley Terzic. You can’t blame him for what happened at Chelsea surely, he was tremendously successful and look at the mess they’ve been in since, and they’ve had a couple of placid Yes men in charge too. He’s the only manager to advance PSG in Europe (this season aside) and only Emery who is everyone’s darling right now has a better win percentage with them. We can frame him as abrasive, sure. But can we also frame him as someone with ambition and a clear vision who because of that rubbed people up the wrong way? Sure, let’s castigate him for wanting to be the best and being ambitious.
When he started at Mainz, he guided them to their best ever finish in the Bundesliga, higher than another darling in Jurgen Klopp. The Bayern one, we talk about Ten Hag having turmoil behind the scenes, but Bayern sacked their Sporting Director and CEO in the Summer, so either changes and upheaval behind the scenes at a club has an impact on the first team or it doesn’t. He’s also a game away from being in his 3rd CL final in 5 years with a 3rd different team and that’s not to be scoffed at either.
It's mental how people are rewriting history on Tuchel to make him look bad.
Guys, this is what I am talking about. Here in this channel we had a Premier league pisstake video called "Better than Arteta. Now we talk about how he is a tactical manager. I am not saying he is not. But there was a point 2-3 yrs ago he looked like he had no clue what he was doing. He had no managerial experience prior to Arsenal. In our situation ten Haag has a better CV. It is not entirely wrong to assume that he is working towards something. It looks like the players believe in him. We as a fan base do not have the patience with out manager and applaud Arsenal for sticking with Arteta during difficult times.
Revisionist nonsense. Arteta finished 8th in his first full season and won the FA cup, but he had older and some say problem playes in the team like Aubameyang. He then finished 5th in his 2nd full season but you could clearly see the improvements and the style of play was there. He then challenged for the league in his 3rd and 4th season. Ten Hag has regressed massively and our football is horrible.
FACTS. I say this every day in so many words. But loads of these fans want BLOOD. They don’t deserve progress.
@@sparkz_fly No this is revisionist nonsense. Everyone was mocking arteta nonemoreso than Arsenal fans calling him all sorts like PE teacher, b-tech Pep, the one who laid out the cones for Peps training session etc. Only in his 4th season have people taken him seriously when they started challenging. Not too different to Ten Hag now. Arsenal's board were rightly patient and are close to reaping the rewards.
@@gracious1143 I dont care what fans were calling him. Im talking about what i have observed. Arteta has made gradual progress and has implemented a style of play. I will eat my shoes if Ten Hag gets us competing for the league. He is tactically naive and his lack of personality/charisma as well as clearly poor communication skills are a huge problem.
@@sparkz_fly Progress in Arteta's initial years? Go back and watch the games. It was horrible to watch. Arsenal fans were losing their minds. And that is exactly what United fans are doing right now. Before the 2022-23 season, Arsenal's game was garbage. Plus they have a better structure in the club than United. Arteta had experience in the league with City and playing for Arsenal. They did not have the number of injuries we have. For all the praise he is getting, he has not won anything other than a FA cup. So lets hold our horses and be patient with the manager we have in hand.
How many managers are we planning on changing before this cycle ends. I am not here to convince anyone. I am here to support my manager. As long as he is with United, I want him to succeed.
Still grinds by gears that folk criticise Hojlund’s lack of goals yet never focus on his lack of service. Can’t score when you have zero shots yet your wingers have 5+
100%. fellas average 1 shot per game, and has only been assisted by a united player for half his goals. Don't think halaand or toney would have too many more than him in this team. Can see his finishing and movement is good as well
A massive part of why he doesn't get service is his movement is dog shit and he has no instinct for goals.
OOOh look at you wanting clicks, so FOS it's surprising you can breathe@@bengreenbank
@@bengreenbank He needs to put himself in obvious goal scoring positions. He seems to be at a dead end as soon as he gets the ball. Prob not all his fault but theres def room for improvement
This is tactical
Stay. There’s 15 players there that need to be gone. He deserves a medal getting that mess into the top half
This what this manager has conditioned you guys into thinking lol
We havent ever heen this bad before but suddenly ten hag is doing a mircale my god i wish i was great at brainwashing people as he was
And 3 finals in hisa first 2 seasons these clowns aint manchester united fans just haters
@@AndyMan-on7zs I genuinely don’t get it.
The players in that squad aren’t good enough. The whole set up has been awful for over a decade. Do you think Wilcox, barada and Ashford will get one season before SJR sacks them ?
It’s crackers
He had a good first season, a solid 7/10 but this season has been an absolute shambles and the thing that happens to every United manager in the last 10 years, where they eventually lose their minds is happening to him too
Are those the same players that finished 3rd last season?
Are those the same players that have had top 3 finishes in three of the last four seasons?
Lucky to be in the top half??
Bayern aren't having a "disastrous year". They're on pace for their highest points total in years. And they're a game away from a CL final .
Touché brother
Where has Joe got that Bayern have had an ‘absolute disastrous season’ from? They’re on course for a points total that would have won the league in almost any other season except they come up against a generational invincible side. Tuchel would be embarrassed to have Ten Hag’s record in Europe.
Keep ten Hag. Allow the new structure to get settled and determine the long term philosophy and style of football for the club.
Use summer 2024 and January 2025 windows to clear out deadwood and start to bring in talent that fits the long term philosophy/style. Also use that time to build a short list of managers who can coach the determined philosophy/style.
ten Hag has until December 2024 to demonstrate the style of play consistently and a reasonable place in the table (top 4).
If not, we turn the page and bring in the new manager 2025 and they are set up to succeed with the refreshed squad, org structure and summer 2025 transfer window.
That's perfect, but what if we're not in top 4 come 2025. Do we bring someone to be an interim till end of season or do we keep ETH and give him another chance till end of season?
But all in all giving the new people time to settle in and geting new manager (if necessary) to a sorted out club is perfect.
@@lukakujundzic8750 that's why I'd like to get started on the manager short list right away. Rather than being reactive and relying on who's available. Interim if needed to finish the season with the "right" long term option coming in
So if by December we’re say 10th and he ends up getting sacked anyway we’ve wasted another season, spent another 100-200m on players the next manager might not like and any managerial targets we have now will be gone? And that’s not even mentioning the new ffp rules that’ll allow clubs like Newcastle and Villa to spend as much as us in 2025
@@BigPurp9 The club's problems are beyond just the squad and tactics. No manager is taking this squad to contend for the league. Bring in a new manager now, we're in the same place in 18 months
Even if ETH isn't the right manager, the time needs to be spent overhauling the club structure and long term strategy
Great to see Sloppy Joes invited as guests to the channel
This is tantamount to abuse 🙄 How can you voice a negative opinion re Antony? Oh I just remembered if it's Rashford it's abuse but anyone else is fine 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
Didn’t see a video for Maguire when he was literally getting bullied by the whole world because he was having a stinker but he was always trying. Yet a personal video is made for rashford because we are ‘abusing’ him for taking the piss and not trying
Imagine talking about grading transfers and not mentioning the unreal amount of money that was spent on these underwhelming players
Fans describing managers who have good man-management seem to have very short memories:
1. Pep falls out with players all the time
2. Klopp falls out with managers all the time
3. Fergie fell out with players all the time
4. Tuchel falls with players
5. Conte falls out with players
6. Jose falls out with players
Would Fergie come out and say a player isn’t trying in training? I doubt it
@@aschronicles5006 hahaha... how old are you?
@@verum-in-omnibus1035 Give me an example of when Fergie came out to the press and diminished a player of his. I’ll wait
@@aschronicles5006 Oh dear - Beckham (for missing training), Ronnie (for pushing for the move to Real) Rooney (for his transfer demand)- would you like me to continue? Tool
@@verum-in-omnibus1035 Beckham for missing training I don’t remember that. And he never once admonished Ronaldo for wanting to move to Madrid ever what are you talking about? He asked him for one more season and Ronaldo said yeah
The biggest point you are missing about ETH is that he brought Garnacho, Mainoo and Kambwala into the first team and Hojlund . This is the future and there will be more to come
So true. Blooding in of youngsters has been his best trait and I want to see more of it next season
he's teaching them failure.
STAY! He had harmonious season last year, compared to this year and delivered a 7/10 season inc. a tropy. This year, full of injuries, full of bull with Sancho and Anthony. Very disruptive season. Of course ManU is going to underperform. Imagine what he can achieve with a better squad and no injury crisis. The ETH outers need to have a bit of humility and patience.
First team coaches are trash.
I would excuse everything if it looked like his system had potential to work, some glimmer of hope. but its just the same bad tactics and bad subs every match.
When Ten Hag came in we all agreed that a complete squad overhaul was needed. Get rid of deadwood and overpayed player etc. Sacking him with the job half done is pointless.
20:49 yeah maybe a different manager would have brought out the best in Sancho but at the same time how many times must ETH bend to please Sancho
Forget it...Sancho quit on fans, the badge and the club by not giving 100%. He can move on regardless of his beef with manager.
Sancho was crap under ole aswell.. surprised no one mentioned that
@@HLDN2Kand Rangnick
@@HLDN2K who was good in that time when Ole got fired please?
This is such a good debate, best youtube channel debate I've seen in ages from a united channel. Good sense and no stupid takes for clicks
I agree with Joe that Ten Hag should stay and I'm of the same opinion. We all know this season hasn't been good enough but at the first sight of it going wrong with a manager we get rid. Injuries this season has been ridiculous. ETH has 1 year left on contract, I think he should have one more year to prove his worth(especially under INEOS).
I thought a debate was ppl with two opposing views not three proposing ten hag is a good manager a good manager
Thanks for the discussion where ten Hag is being discussed under a more critical lense. Was criticising you guys and you reacted, thanks for that!
It kind of torpedoes your argument when you can't think of someone better to replace ETH 😂
I think opinion sways so fast with a few good/bad results. If we start next pre-season with a full squad, players returned from injury, and 1 or 2 key first team signings, we as a fan base will be fully behind this manager again.
Sir Jim certainly has his work cut out for him, no doubt about that. Man Utd are stuck in the 00s. We are looking forward to exciting developments.
I think Ten Hag is a good coach, it's very complicated trying to implement certain things in football especially with the crop of players he has at his disposal. He was also imo entirely misunderstood when he said he won't play like he did in ajax. I think he meant that man u and ajax are two different clubs completely and he realised that quickly at the beginning of last season. He is trying to implement the ideologies he has about football and also merge them with Manchester Uniteds DNA. Play the football he wants without stripping away our identity.inutes ago
The ways he has handle off the pitch situations, our youth developments recently things he deserves a lot of credit for. Now is he stubborn? Yes, but he learns you look at now Anthony's minutes. I for one am of the opinion that he deserves more time, the quality of managers isn't attractive enough to pull the trigger as well.
If ten hag was doing a good job this video wouldnt have even been made. He can be a good coach and not the man for man united just rip it up and start new. With new everything
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Keep him all day long let him build a squad and team with football people above him to help and guide him as well as he never had that
The school teacher analogy is a bit flawed.
Following that logic then Alex Ferguson would be the teacher that wouldn't be taken seriously.
When Alex Ferguson came straight from Aberdeen he didn't put up with nonsense from players. He also didn't get the respect he had straight away, you earn respect.. It took hard work...
Yeah Alex was not respected at first! He had similar success to Ten Hag. Jason messed about and was out. He has the discipline!
Jadon oopss
26.00: Being able to enjoy the good times isn't man management. Man management is knowing what your players need and how to handle them and push them. Anyone can dance and enjoy the good times but what happens when things get difficult, the day to day man management?
"Any team we play against is how good we are" I have mentioned this every game this season to my fam. We seem to play at the par of the opposition. Liverpool? We play great! Coventry? We play like a Championship team...
EtH wants all players to attack and all players to defend and I think it's just too much in the PL, hence all the injuries.
Glad to see Off the bar didn't go OFF TOPIC!!
I think Joe won the debate
bring back Mourinho with a proper board like INEOS
You can use the same argument about Tuchel when talking about Kane. Kane is the downfall of Bayern this season by implication of them not winning the title.
Guess what, these guys would never ever say that. Leverkuson having their season is independent of Tuchel. But if you think Tuchel is crap, you can say the same argument about Kane too. Take your bias out of it.
Always nice to see the two Joe's together on here, but do we have to do this ten hag stuff every week lol? I think the two camps are set at this point. I want him given another transfer window no matter what. The ones that want him out are not gonna change their minds now no matter what. It's just noise at this point.
This needed ronaldo to debate the 'against' ETH case. All 3 of these are ETH apologists/excuse makers. Whenever long-haired joe is doing 1 of his ETH excuse monologues, he talks in a whiny baby voice, does anyone else notice?
Good show i enjoyed it. As far as fixing united it starts with the dressing room and the spine. 2-3 centerbacks who can play a high line and depending on who leaves a cdm or 6 that can tackle and is press resistant and disciplined who can pass and dribble the ball forward. And finally a striker to rotate with rasmus. The key to all this is who we can sell and for how much. I also have said it before and will say it again the position to spend on quality is the 6. All the top teams have primo cdms and have put 100mil into that oart of the field if we dont as well we will not be able to compete with the top 3. Cheers fellas.
Ten Hag is bang average. Everyone wants trending names as if their aren’t hundreds of clubs and hundreds of capable managers that haven’t been highlighted/unearthed yet
Bayern are likely to finish with more points than they did last year and most years than when they have won the league and are ahead in the semi final of the CL. But he is doing worse than ETH, laughable
I was Ten Hag in but Joe M’s debate has cemented me being Ten Hag In
All this talk on the Sancho situation but none of us truly know what went on behind closed doors. What I saw was Sancho losing match fitness after he was mint pre season and didn’t get the opportunity to stay in the team despite poor performances unlike Anthony who stunk wk in WL out but stayed in the team
We are the most “styles make fights” applicable team in the Prem. We try to pin teams in their own half, but they only need to make one pass to cut out our entire midfield! 😅 We do well against teams that want the ball so we can sit off and counter, or Villa who play a ridiculously high defensive line for us to exploit.
Great video lads. Level headed from both parties.
my main skepticism of the ETH project is he said he wanted us to be the best transitional team in football but ive honestly not seen anything that suggests thats a good idea. Idk maybe Im way off but I feel like we should want to be a more dominating possession based team, not like City but every decent team in world football usually has a system based around control and control is the main thing we lack I think.
Was already in the camp of keep ETH but Joe certainly won the argument. Actually came prepared and backed up the argument with facts and examples. Ten Hag needs another season to prove whether he’s the caliber of manager who has results like last season or this one. He needs one more season to prove whether he handled season’s crap properly. Next season will tell. Hopefully he gets the backing and the fit players to do that.
Great debate keep it up lads. I want Ten Hag to stay but also wouldn't mind Tuchel honestly don't know how I want to start next season. If we win the cup then ETH deserves another season
Joe is back? Finally. This channel is in the MUD without him.
Who is the most viable alternative? The bigger issues are with the players and the overall set up.
Plenty of good managers have already failed to meet our expectations.
Good debate. Good video.
Ten Hag in.
Spend the £10m on players.
The worry I have with the manager is I still can’t see how we play. When Fergie came and he was struggling in the first few years, you could see he had a plan though he didn’t have the players. Ten Hag hasn’t got the players but some of them he’s bought, which is a concern. The fact the players aren’t playing for the manager is to their shame and symptomatic of the modern over paid player. Juries out for me but is there anyone to replace him.
Your long term memory is very good. I can see a style of play with ETH but we dont have the players to execute it… the alternative is to low block and counter and he’d get ridiculed for that so can’t win.
Jay is too inclined towards English Players than giving credit to Ten Hag. Ten Hag has given Sancho time, an environment to thrive by sending him overseas, and even game time. Stop blaming managers, when arrogant players like Rashford, Sancho and Ronaldo betrayed him.
We need a Scotty & Motty, Sloppy Joe's and a heads gone crossover 💯
Ten Hag was doing great at Ajax because he had van der Sar en Overmars behind him and together they build twice a great Ajax team. If we get this at Man United now Ten Hag can still be our man.
Not keeping regullion for the second half of the season and loaning out Fernandes and Williams proved to be a mistake. Playing one of the best right backa in the league this season at left back and if not Lindelof,come on.
Wihout a steady back four most teams philosophy falls to sh1t.
True..they all want him out but can't think of anyone else
How many managers are we going to sack before giving someone a good backing and go through the bad patch. Players need to be moved on and keep the manager.
I'm 100% on board with everything Joe has said 👌
I am TH in for all the reasons Joe Smith Made but JM is being slightly harsh even though he does have valid concerns too... Like the whole not being able to see the 3-0 against cov etc... Thats a player issue because when amad plays theres more control but before amad was available we had no one to bring on to "save" the game so to speak or see a game out... because of his stoic nature his done what jose did towards the end where his playing players who are not good enough to play so he can rest players who need resting and play players who are nto godo enough to show the board this is the Shhhh i tteeee i gotta deal.... His covered the glazers asss as does every other manager but is also showing ineos this is the crap i gotta deal with this is the resources i got anthony really is the only flop his had if we being fair and tbh it shouldnt be left just on eth recruitment is an issue not jsut on him the club could have quite easily said no or give alternatives but they dont know any better we have to give th one season witha. Good window and system atleast to be fair
Great stuff this debate. One thing that stands out is how laughable the 'Ten Hag out' people have become. I just hope they're willing to say 'We were wrong"when it turns around. Bet they won't
We knew Ten Hag was going to have to do a rebuild, saying we should have bought players for now is the problem we've had since SAF retired. We need players who will make us title winners in 2-3 years time, should we have bought Hojland for the future or bought someone for now and missed out on getting him as FFP wouldn't allow us to purchase him in addition due to his fee!
I have to say I’m with Joe on this 👀🙃
Taking Joe M’s last point to its logical conclusion, we could have Billy Bookcase as our next Manager. He’s popular, sturdy, reliable and apparently has an encyclopedic knowledge of the game.
Can't say Hojland is a bad signing, the poor lad gets no service, goals per passes is awesome
Finally some star bar appreciation
The teacher analogy is an excellent one but also frustrating that it is excellent that these highly paid professionals can be compared to schoolchildren.
Problem is players and manager. He should still be able to set them up far better, he’s been almost laughably inept tactically. Keep the manager has such “top red” undertones.
Joe vs Joe in a new format... I like it
Love joe
But scottywould have been much more committed to the out argument.
Keep Ten Hag let him buy 11 more Anthony's. Genius!
I agree with hipster Gandalf. Keep him. Club was a mess, still has been. Injuries have wrecked this season relying on defenders that didn't think they'd be playing (Evans), weren't needed (Maguire) & we extended their contract to increase value (Lindeloff). He showed the potential of the fit 1st 11 last season, we haven't had that this. tenHag won't have said sign Antony for silly money, oh and pay him nearly £180k a week too - the figures are on the those no longer at the club.
At Utd, we want to see the best of our youth team given opportunities in the !st 11. We have a manager that no only gets that, but is adept at doing so - identifying ability/talent, development of potential.
Interesting analogy... however, if my school was paying me 250K a week to get A stars, I'd be listening to my teacher and doing as I was told. Sancho didn't respect that.. he's entitled to his opinion that he should have been playing instead of Antony and feel slightly pissed off that Ten Hag said his performance in training that week was sub standard, but he reacted unprofessionally and sort of paranoid which didn't help. He wasn't putting the work in on matchdays and also apparently in training.. he wasn't even turning up to class on time. You're not getting A stars with that attitude and Man Utd aren't getting anywhere with that shit.
Malacia was not as good as Fernandez
ETH over performed last season. This season with all the injuries, player drama and revamped structure at club, there is a lot happening. But his decisions sometimes to select players not on merit and to keep playing chaos ball has not helped him. Both parties need to sit down and do a fresh start. He still has a season in his contract and lets see how he performs with a fit team and stable structure next season. If our style and results don’t improve until Christmas then he gets the sack.
The Martinez = Bailey always injured
Except he plays well when he is not injured
Stay. We've been asking for a rebuild, now we're in the shitty middle of one, this is like Arteta's 2nd season. ETH's team is a work in progress. I'd give him a 1 year extension this summer, and then replace him next season if we're still shit.
There isn't a José out there now but there is the José out there now 😝
5:40, The Ronaldo signing is the one that fucked Ole, not Maguire
We have regressed massively this season, Eth sets us up this way and chooses the team....no more excuses
I enjoyed that.
How will different owners improve his coaching skills?
He’s bought 8 players in 8 positions and has promoted 2 youth players to first team. That is a whole new team and there is no. Improvement. Im not saying sack him or keep him but enough with the excuses
Maybe buying 8 be😊tree players
Just a thought
We should try getting edon zhegrova, decent right winger and he's for 25m
I'm not even going to watch the video, just came in to comment. what could there possibly be to debate???
The only reason I’m keeping him is because there’s literally nobody else. So unless we r nicking Thiago motta before Juve do, we hv to stick w him.
did Joe really say Ronaldo wasn’t fit enough to play week in week out😂😂😂talk about a rewriting of history
He's talking about eths first season when he missed preseason. And he obviously was. His fitness looked poor in his first few games back.
@@CrossxFir3 why back the sale of a player who isn’t being demonised for not being fit after a pre season?
Out def: Martial, Williams, Varane, Amarabat, DVB (41M salaries!)
Out most likely: Case, Eriksen, Hannibal, Pellestri, Sancho, Evans, Greenwood (52M salaries!)
Could argue an out: Shaw, Lindelof, Antony, Rashford, McTominay, Maguire, AWB (57M salaries!)
Dont believe weve ever sold 10 players but def could sell 10-12, loan 3-5. Could easily free up 90-120M salaries plus at least 100M transfer fees.
There’s no way we’ll shift 10 players, let alone replace
@Rob-pq4um we will shift about 12-15 if history tells us the plan (pre Ineos), but never have we sold more than 7. So if we sell 7 and let go of the guaranteed end of contract deals, it may not end too poorly. That would be 12 - 1st team players gone.
This was basically a defend ten hag episode
Sancho was absolutely shite under Ole too so Darren Lewis talking nonsense
The manager has been poor this year but we know most of these players have been shite for multiple managers.
Jadon Sancho is levels above Rashford and Garnacho as a footballer, I want him back here at Old Trafford next season and hopefully Ten Hag gone.
Replacing Ten Hag with Tuchel would be a step back btw
I agree ten hag must go BUT there isn't anyone better out there yet so by default he has to stay one more year great debate though 👍
We are probs about to finish 8th. Yh clear out of players and manager imo
I like you guys but I'm skipping out on this one. Not really interested in yet another manager debate.