Octobrush Nouveau's Kit Lacks Synergy
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Ending the video on a disconnect for a kit that feels disconnected is 10/10
As an octobrush main. I really felt that last clip. Playing fantastically only to be disconnected.
Thank the lord of the algorithm for bringing me squid school videos like immediately
The enemy team technically being on -1 points during the video was funny but also terrifying.
Gem mentions "synergy" a lot, and I feel like that is very important to consider in a kit. It's possible for a kit to be weak overall, but have high synergy with every part of the kit. One of the big issues with octobrush in s3 are the maps, as often I don't get enough hits to splat before they walk away and outrange me, so I feel burst would've been very good as an aggressive option, which at least would've enable the main weapon more. And while rain could theoretically get chip damage to help secure those splats, it's not guaranteed, and probably would've worked better with a controllable special, so that you can directly damage people. I would've liked either kraken or inkjet for this, kraken since it's strong on flanks, and inkjet since it enables you to suddenly have a lot of range to secure kills and pop up from sharking positions.
Hello my fellow burst bomb brush fan
Here to put my 2c in as an Octobrush player who’s not competitive but wants to go there. You worded everything I wanted to say but better. When pairing Octobrush with a beakon, it needs an aggressive special to get in. Kraken was what everybody wants (including myself) and I can see Inkstorm being a great alternative as well. Missiles work well too but it’s really more of the fact that it’s a global (displacement) special rather than an aggressive one since it can benefit from launching them at a safe distance and sneaking it past the chaos of it all (there might be other specials that pair nicely with Octobrush + Beakon but I can’t really think of them right now). However, when pairing it with Inkstorm, it needs something to defend itself for security, like a bomb. My personal pick would be autobomb since it’s relatively cheap and can be used to look for people (same goes for torpedo) but a burst bomb to combo with it is another good one as well. I’ll still give it a whirl to see if I like it but I won’t be surprised if I return to the vanilla kit after a while.
The thing I've noticed as someone more active in the casual side of things is that Octobrush with Beakons is one of those things that has a lot of fans, but they're not people who play competitive at all. I saw a ton of hype for the Nouveau when it was revealed this week, just like I saw a lot of excitement for it when it was revealed in 2. With that in mind I am not surprised they brought it back again, because they're a lot more interested in building kits for casual players than they are competitive, even if ideally they can serve both at once. I think a lot of people would have been very disappointed had Nouveau not had Beakons, and hopefully a third kit (assuming it gets one, but I personally am pretty convinced it will) can serve hardcore players better.
They could have done beakon with another special that casual players would have been much happier with, though. Beakon hammer or beakon kraken would have been fantastic for it (if only in terms of fun)
I disagree that they're interested in making kits that are fun for casual players. It really doesn't seem like they have half a mind to make the kits fun at all. Kits are usually broken and not fun to fight on the most boring and less skill intense weapons, or way too weak on others, but that's not even the biggest issue with them.
The biggest issue is that so many of the kits don't enable a different playstyle. I mean, let's take tri stringer. The vanilla kit synergizes well in theory, but in practice, it's really held back in its chip damage capabilities by only having a special for chip damage and having a sub that it doesn't get much value out of. Now its new kit doesn't have a chip damage sub, only special, and a low value sub. It's gonna play really similarly to the vanilla kit, and that's just not fun casually or competitively.
Seeing as there are so few brushes overall period, Im also hopeful for thirds kits for them
Idk why I am even watching these strats knowing that I will forget this info when recording for the next vid and lose all matches anyways 💀
its best to work on improving just one aspect of play, dont worry about instantly trying to improve everything
also you can watch it in 0.75 speed, subtitles, pause every once in while or just twice over in an attempt to retain moro info
@@Kitana___ yes I wrote that for humour purposes but thanks still!😅
Your subconscious will remember, trust
This time of nice colorful rhyme, but a really good illustration on the thumbnail
I mained octobrush for about 4 years, but i have reasonably been getting into more shooter-type weapons mostly because of how much in-your-face you have to be with opponents and the lack of range with the brush, and how MOST if not all weapons all can outrange you, and i agree about your playstyle has to be mostly sharking to get splats and the high risk thing when you right infront of them.
(casual perspective)
a note on octobrush's synergy in splatoon 1: in that game, you could superjump even while kraken was active. this gave the special some unique synergy with beakons (see also: s1's krak-on and c-liter) because you could put down a beakon, wreak havoc with your kraken, and right at the end (while still invincible) you jump back to safety with your beakon, essentially making it exactly like a recall special before those were officially a thing. i feel like they understood that when they gave it inkjet in 2, but beakon doesn't really feel like it achieves a whole lot for the weapon without a special that goes well with it (one you'd like to be able to activate from many different positions/angles?)
I'm gonna have to rewatch this video because I was so entranced by your octobrush skills. Dang
While I agree that beacon brush doesn't work on many maps, i think storm synergizes perfectly well with brush by making it hard to ignore on side angles by still assisting your teammates in other parts of the map and making it into a deadly fast 2 shot over ledges
It really is a case where people would accept the sub or special individually but not both.
Octobrush with Beacon is classic pairing, I understand the appeal I was a Octobrush main in Splatoon 1.
And Inkstorm’s pretty good at softening the enemies for less swings when attacking.
But both at the same time don’t do anything for it.
I have the same problem with Vanilla Jet Squelcher's kit. Either part works with the main weapon, but together they just don't.
i'm so addicted to yoko & the gold bazookas i instantly recognized ska-blam's iconic drum intro in the background footage
It’s definitely not the best kit but it’s not the worst either.
I’m personally happy with beacons over autobomb since it means I can ignore ink saver sub which opens up gear slots for other useful abilities.
Ink storm likewise isn’t the best but it’ll help a brush push in and secure safer and faster splats with the chip damage.
Ofc It’s definitely not the burst bomb/other good sub, good special octobrush I was hoping for but it could be worse.
Why would you use ink saver sub on autobomb anyway?
@@StarmenRock I mean you wouldn’t want much but there’s a case for having some. You might want to have more ink left over for a fight after you use autobomb, since autobomb is primarily used to fish out a target so you can go in for the kill.
Beakon is however a sub you use very circumstantially and you rarely want to fight soon after using it. That way you can completely ignore it when it comes to gear abilities.
@@samuelturner6076 not at all, you should use sub power up on beacons if possible
@@StarmenRock I mean sure if you want to make extensive use of Beakons yes you should use sub power up, but Beakons are already not that useful in 3.
In most situations you’ll get more value out of not focusing on Beakons with gear abilities and focusing on other places than you will out putting focus on gear abilities.
The cat in the thumbnail is appreciated.
Beacon worked alot better for splatoon 1.
With how maps were designed
It had a lot more flank routes and opportunities to get behind the opponent.
If the enemy team weren't on their guard, it wasn't too difficult to get behind them and place Beacons around their spawn. Or in really out of the way spots that you couldn't really get to while also playing the objective.
Generally, beacons were just a lot more of a hassle to deal with in many cases, and octo brush could really capitalize on that niche like no weapon could.
Also, stealth jump was a thing.
YES this. Splatoon 1's maps were massive and sprawling. Brushes were that one sneaky weapon that could easily get into enemy spawn via flanks. Beacons as a result were very good with octobrush in 1. A lot of the carryovers from Splatoon 1 don't play as well as originally designed due to the changes in map design
The inkbrush alternate kit isn’t great either. Maybe Nintendo doesn’t really know how to make kits for these weapons. I think they want to try and go for diverse alt and specials, but brushes are so reliant on their kit and so niche that designs have to be more formulaic. Aggressive bomb and zoning special. Aggressive bomb and forward playing support special.
Funny how brellas are the opposite. Two functional but weak kits and the abomination that is vbrella kit, then the two sorellas they revealed are absolute bangers
It makes sense that trying to diversify kits for brushes wouldn't work well, it's a weapon type that is very hard baked into its niche. A splattershot can shark or skirmish, you can make kits that are suited to different roles because it's a more versatile main weapon. A brush has to shark, the entire weapon is designed to, and it needs the kit to facilitate that, like gem said in the video, a lack of agressive sub leaves it without entry tools or a means to control space, which is integral to the weapon's gameplan. You can give a brush a kit that would be great for a skirmisher, but that's not gonna do much when the weapon can't take advantage of that.
I'm not convinced that this will be a bad kit, sure it's probably gonna be a little clunky but when you have a storm out you can stay in your barely mobile flicking state for less time, and your beakons can help see other sharking weapons while bringing in annoying jumps
The kits this season feel really mixed up, like imagine Octobrush Nouveau getting Fizzy Bomb and Super Chump, or Tri-Stringer Collab getting Angle Shooter and Inkstorm, Ballpoint Nouveau getting Squid Beakon
Maining octobrush is fun because zipcaster allows me to flank in these halway like maps. Sure beacon might help for the new kit, inkstorm doesn't really help too much. I think octobrush mains should try the new one regardless. Let's hope a third kit would place kraken
Another thing that brings this kit down is wiper deco being a MUCH better main weapon, and it has MISSILES.
Yeah, this thing is never being played 💀💀💀
Octobrush Nouveau is basically mixing bread + ROG strix b550-f mobo + the vatican city
Oh definitely. It’s got nothing going for it. But if they gave it trizooka…
love the insight + footage used!
as an octobrush main, this is definitely... interesting. while i'm gonna play the new brush of course, it is not becoming my new main. I only hope for kraken on the third kit
I don’t play ranked much, but I feel like rain would work fairly well just to make me actually use the special. I find with zipcaster I hardly actually use it because it works really well in particular situations, so I save it until those situations come up and during that time I can’t charge another special. Rain meanwhile is just generally useful, so it can just be thrown out to always have some effect, rather than zipcaster’s more situational big moments. Plus it could help in situations where I need just a bit of extra chip damage to get a kill at a slightly further range, or scare off some people to take space or get into a better position. As for beakon, I’m less sure about that, as that effectively means no consistent ranged options, and I rarely find teammates making good use of them anyway. I feel like they’d be better on inkbrush, because it’s fast enough to really get away with putting them in weird places.
Who was that good lookin' Stringer main at the end? 👀
It's unfortunate the match got cut
Pretty much. If it were beakon + Kraken or Bomb + Rain it would've been fine.
But Beakon Rain is... uhhhh
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In terms of kits, id say splat brella is a top tier kit for it, ballpoint 2 is a good kit, and blobber is a great kit.
Brella we all know why its so good, ballpoint I get feels bad compared to the old one, but if you see it as "it encourages close range mode fighting unlike the OGs long range anchor style" I like it, it works to make you play it in a different way.
Blobber is amazing if the enemy doesnt have sub defence, 2 blobs and a dart splats which is very lethal, if they do have sub defence this quickly falls off though as you need 3/4 blobs to land which is much harder to do in one shot.
Both the beacon and ink storm allow you to help your team without much skill involved. To me this feels like a way for a C- player to learn the brush class and still do things for their team
I'm glad this came out, I've seen a lot sentiments to the tune of "Well they need to give strong weapons weak kits to balance them", which is a very flawed way of looking at it. How many Gem Tier Lists have had weapons tiered lower not because the main weapon is bad, but because it has a kit that doesn't work well for it?
The Octobrush isn’t even a “strong” main weapon though, it’s just one with a lower skill floor to do good which is why some more casual players think it’s broken/takes no skill.
@@samuelturner6076 I wasn't referring to octobrush in particular, it's just that this video also addresses the problems with the "Bad kits exist to balance weapons" argument that has become more common since the Drizzle Season trailer. Octobrush is a prime example of why synergy is so important.
The octobrush isn't a top tier weapon, and it's easily outclassed by the tri-slosher. But its use is still quite different, while the trislosher is useful for close range one on one combat, the octobrush is supposed to be the AOE version of that, with multiple pellets shooting out in a wide area covering a great angle. Problem is it's not great at doing that, it is in my opinion in serious need of a buff, not necessarily a buff that would increase its damage output, but its range, angle, or the number of pellets shot with one flick. Its flimsy uneven paint output isn't doing it favour and the fact that unlike the inkbrush you're vulnerable to the ink below you when you're in tracing mode totally breaks every attempt at running away. So my choice of buffs would be :
\- 1 or 2 more pellets per flick
\- Immunity to ink below you in running mode, like the inkbrush
Now, I've had my fair share of hate speech towards the kit it has, and while i've certainly got better at taking advantage of it, particularly the zipcaster, which is not a special that holds much value for very short range weapons as it does for more ranged weapons (example : zipcaster on stamper), it doesn't round out the weapon's weaknesses at all and exacerbates its flaws. Any weapon with flaws will be taken advantage of, a weapon that can't hold up on its own, which is very team-dependent, is not a top-tier weapon by any mean. With a ranged special that is both good at displacing, defence, and can also be used offensively would be the best option for the octobrush which severly lacks in defence value as well as range. So my top choices were :
\- Booyah Bomb
\- Triple Inkstrike
I guess Ink Storm is fine as well, it has combo potential, it can reduce the octobrush to a two-shot in a wide area, and that is valuable, not counting as a slayer, Ink Storm is going to be right in the face of the opponent and very difficult to navigate
And as a secondary ranged attack, because the octobrush needs a bomb, it really does as people run away from brushes when they take hits, leaving them low on health, my top choices were :
\- Burst Bomb (great combo potential, finishes off fleeing opponents)
\- Fizzy Bomb (good combo potential, can help with movement !)
So the beakon is not in my list. I'm very disapointed, the octobrush doesn't benefit from a beakon at all, it's not as quick as people think and when you corner an octobrush as a weapon with more range, the brush is done, and that is going to happen with the beakon. I might also add for all that yearned for beakon + kraken, that just because a weapon had those subs and specials before doesn't cement their legitimacy on said weapon. It's not a good combo anymore.
Yeah, when I saw this kit I instantly hated it, good to know Im not the only one! Vanilla Octo brush forever!!!
Beakon and Inkstorm would have worked so much better on Tri-Stringer than on Octobrush imo
Oh god now I kinda want that alternate timeline.
At least the speculated kit is not the worst.
Fun fact, in S2 the ballpoint had this exact kit and it was one of the best weapons in the game for that exact reason. Kit synergy is always always the most important part.
I wouldn't say it's entirely a $hite kit, but it's alittle uh...strange? Beakons work great, I use them heavily myself on the wiper deco, but the Inkstorm should instead be something like for example super chump or even booyah bomb, now that would be a serviceable kit.
i love octobrush but i would've loved having a more aggressive kit unlike more flank heavy zipcaster vanilla kit since the kensa one was my favorite in 2. i kinda see where devs were going for this tho, might 1* it
Most people hate either 1 part or both part of the kit, it's so weirdly off balance
octobrush needed it's kraken more than ever in this game
with the lack of flanking routes, having something that ensures your survival on top of allowing you to break through the opponent's defenses thanks to it's invincibility AND also helping the main weapon with it's lack of vertical painting prowess is a necesity
how is one supposed to use the beakons inside the enemy base when the enemy prevents you to get inside it? easy, you use the kraken to solve that problem, same problem which inkstorm can't solve because thr problem is not painting, IT'S SURVIVING!
the worst part is that I'm sure octobrush would be the weapon to make both beakons and kraken meta defining
it's too powerful for it's own good
Imo curling and fizzy are the best subs for brushes.
Curling sucks for brushes imo. It’s just more ink tank consumption for something the weapon can already do but better in most cases.
It only works on the heavy brush because it’s slow, otherwise it’s pretty bad.
@samuelturner6076 it adds more mobility to the brush, the brush itself has a fixed movement speed, and swim speed doesn't allowing the brush to get in quicker and more reliably while healing and recovering ink.
@@BakedCalamari Using Curling for mobility is generally a very risky and bad play as enemies will be checking its path and instantly splat you if they see you. It’s basically drawing attention to where you’ll be going.
Also the cooldown between when you use curling and when you can finally start recovering ink is long enough that coupled with the amount of ink it eats it’s a loss since you’d have recovered ink faster not using it.
You only want to use curling to move in when it’s already a safe area of the map, so apart from the start of the match you should already have ink down to get there. And if you’re using it to retreat it’s again only circumstantial since you should already have ink to retreat back into.
@samuelturner6076 but that's the point, it can be used for mix ups not to mention it is safe to use when a weapon like the inkbrush can just retreat with its own mobility, making it less punishable.
Sorry for disconnecting in that last match... for some reason even though I was playing with my brother on the same 5ghz 350mp/s internet I ended up disconnecting while he stayed in the match. It's one of those weird issues where it sucks that Nintendo doesn't do more to fix it since I'm using the LAN cord in the Switch Oled Dock and Cameren stayed connected while using Wi-Fi.
I'm not sure how good the new kit will be competitively but it'll definitely be nice to have Ink Storm and Beacons for Turf War. Having Ink Storm for Turf War for the maps where Zipcaster just isn't as good because the map is too flat with no good graple spots will be great.
Toroedo and trizooka make it happen on octobrush 3rd kit
This is the exact reason I don't like Jet Squelcher's first kit. I can see Angle Shooter working with the main weapon, and the same for Ink Vac, but not together. It feels like the Angle Shooter doubles down on both Jet Squelcher's strengths and weaknesses in a way one wouldn't want out of the sub weapon, especially when the Special doesn't make up for those weaknesses either.
Who exactly is chomping at the bit to use Ink Storm over Zipcaster?
oh my god i’m done, it’s probably my high expectations of a burst-zooka kit, but these new devs just flat out cannot make kits.
Play carbon deco, it's almost the same main weapon too
@@shaba22 Alright.
Ballpoint kit is so weird to me. Here I finally found a reason to go back to Jet Squelcher, my OG favorite, after the Vac buffs, and now they’re giving it to a weapon that will probably automatically outclass it despite the, imo, weaker sub (crazy to say about dart but I think it works now)
Like I play ballpoint too, but I was excited to go back to Jet for the first time in a REALLY long time because I never liked stingray ironically, and now at the end of the season it’ll probably be outclassed for whatever niche Vacuum takes up now
I view the new ballpoint as a way of changing playstyles from the OGs "Long range mode > short range mode" anchor style backline approach. Newpoint is more like "use short range mode primarily with the option of long ranged shots" with the mine and vac working better if youre more aggressive with your pushes.
Brella should have had kraken. 😢
Yet another reason why Nintendo may as well give us customizable kits if they can't be bothered to design them properly. At least now every weapon gets to be broken, which means no weapon is.
More like every weapon would just run burst/fizzy and whatever special is best to spam atm
Fun way to let Squeezer Fizzy Missiles take over the entire game, I guess.
I think the way to do it would be to make it so you can carry the sub/special set of one weapon onto another. no mixing and matching either. just carrying over the kit from one weapon to another.
like you pay out a certain number of Sheldon tickets and get the weapon rating high enough on both octobrush and e-liter, then you can give octobrush mines/wave and e-liter suction/zip
@@FakeFlameSprite that still has the downside of making lower end sub weapons cease to exist, and the Squeezer with Missiles problem is still there, because Goo has Torpedo Missiles.
@@ebluegamer5397
Requiring more Sheldon licences and for both weapons and needing to get up to at least 4 star means you would need to put in a big chunk of time that most people trying to play lame or don't bother learning wouldn't want to do.
Needing to Handle the special value for weapons differently for kit swaps would be necessary but not too complicated IMO: give both the base weapon and the kit a points for special value that gets combined to be the points for special value.
For instance clash could have a lower than average points for special value at 90 or so. torp missiles though would have a really high points for special value, like 120 or so. In a match that'd mean you would be using a clash blaster with a 210p special charge and have an incredibly hard time getting your special
I think rain would’ve worked a lot better with the painbrush
How does one determine if a kit synergizes with itself or not?
Ok so the only good kit of the new season is the brella one? That's crazy for a 1 year anniversary update.
I am not defending the game devs on their weapon choices for any of these kits because i do not care enough to defend they are good or bad. But i do pose a question, Splatoon 3 devs have to think in the long run for all the weapons the game will have at the end; We have now 83 weapons, and many patch notes coming in until the update cycle ends. Has the majority of people complaining (Gem is an actual criticism over the weapon, not a complaint) stop to think how hard it is to make new kits?
Yes, people make great kits for weapons constantly, prochara has at least 3 videos discussing custom kits sent by the fans.
You know what?
At this point I just hope Splat 4 lets me chose kits myself.
If the devs are gonna dedicate a third of the weapon sets to be experimental trash I'd rather they didn't at all.
Nah, that would be broken and boring as the meta will immediately crystalise on whatever set up works best, and it would break down the whole experience to what makes a comp work and why.
I'm really dissapointed with this brush kit. Tacticooler and ink storm has proven to be one of the combinations of specials my team is best at moving in with, and while it was far from ideal, when I heard octobrush was getting storm it sounded like that could be a good pick, because as it was, nautilus didn't have high enough output to reliably fall back on that combo, and C Jet forced us into an incredibly slow playing double backline comp. So if Octobrush had even just autobomb for its sub, that could've helped our team comps out a lot. With beacon though, I'm struggling to find a reason to actually use it in a competetive setting.
what abt gold dynamo
@FantaaGD my friend does
@FantaaGD it got super chump and burst bomb probably
@FantaaGDnuh uh
@FantaaGDtbh it should get splat bomb n kracken
Is kraken for blob good? I don’t know how to use kraken well, please help me Gem!!
I just stare at this kit and feel dissapointed. I used to play the original octobrush, and the most synergy I see is maybe combing with inkstorm? But opponents can just avoid that. Ouch.
I’m sulking from BPN kit rn. No beakons and special is vac :(. I can see it working but still
at least you guys still have a great vanilla kit but DANG that new one sucks
After learning how to properly use vac thanks to Pika's video (practically turn teammate invincible except for melee hurtboxes and killer wail. Includes tristrike and reef explosion), I have new found respect for inc vac. Having vac on a backliner sounds good.
Honestly if they gave the Octobrush kit to Stringer or BP it would have been monstrously good, both weapons benefit massively from ink storm chip, and beakons on a backliner/anchor is always great. As a matter of fact BP had that exact kit in 2 and it was god tier.
Sometimes I feel like the devs are intentionally giving every kit at least 1 bad aspect so nothing is too overpowered. But you would think that Octobrush, or even Ink Storm, would be enough of a nerf for the kit. And that mentality doesn't make any sense at all when you look at perfect kits like Tentatek Splattershot. Do they just not understand what subs and specials are good and bad? Do they think these kits are actually good? Are they following arbitrary restrictions? What's their goal here?
Hot take I think this is worse than the undercover brella had this thing have a torpedo or any bomb might of been better with inkstorm
i miss tenta missiles on octobrush nouveau :(