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All (except one) of the Mac users in the LMG offices uses Chrome as their browser of choice. We made them try the latest browser Arc to see if they're missing out on something better?
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CHAPTERS
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0:00 Intro
0:28 I use different browsers, why everyone else doesn't
1:35 How Arc is different
3:17 Thanks Sanebox!
3:46 What they thought of it
4:20 There's a phone version too
5:22 Would people switch?
6:33 Two niggling problems - ภาพยนตร์และแอนิเมชัน
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I think the biggest issue people have with not being willing to switch from Chrome to Firefox is that they have no idea how it works. Firefox functions relatively the same, you can import everything from Chrome, and if you don't like the button layout you can move them around to be less cluttered. It took me a few days to get used to Firefox and probably a month to switch off Chrome entirely, and I don't regret it.
Another reason why it might be hard for some to switch is because Firefox is more strict with privacy. If you don't care about that you can flip a few settings.
Trying to sift through your browsing history in Firefox is a pain in the neck, at least initially.
Chrome extensions aren’t all supported though.
@@dib327 I have yet to find a plugin which does not work on Firefox that is Chrome only
@@dib327most browser extensions are bloat anyway. The ones that actually matter are available on both platforms.
So… techies who work for a tech review firm don't realize that Firefox synchronizes with an ID the same way as Chrome… and uses whatever search engine you want… AND isn't necessarily archiving your data in Google mines…
In their defense a lot of people who work at lmg aren't really tech people
@@HearMeLearn Those are writers and editors. I would expect them to be tech people.
If they are not...that would explain recent drama with incompetence in lmg.
Literally my first thought
@@Veritaserum90I would expect writers to be tech nerds and editors just being normal people.
Its one thing that some of the people are personally ignorant, the bigger problem is that this video gets cut and reviewed and they think its okay to release it with wildly untrue statements that now the audience listens to, to get the takeaway that 'huh firefox sux ass' while it had these features 15 years ago...
LTT should do an honest, in depth browser comparison video. A lot of the chrome features mentioned in this video is actually available in Firefox.
LTT and honest, sry, this doenst match for me.. maybe for others, thats ok
@@Chris-td8mr If yoy cant trust anything they say, why are you here? You know mac address is a ltt channel
Maybe, but Firefox is real crap performance-wise.
@@Foxhunter_DEit's more than fine, been using it for a long while in all of my systems and doesn't have any issues with the average website
@@Foxhunter_DEnot even true, I've tested it on my m1 MBA, and it feels really similar. Although personally I use edge now
WHAAAT?! COLIN TALKS?! NOOOOO 😂
I was about to say the same wtf
IKR... surprised to see him talk lol
This video is the reason why I don't trust the lore in the main LTT Channel where he is mute and doesn't understand English.
In fact this video came out before any video on LTT where him being mute became his main role
I switch to Firefox about 5 years ago, and it's been really convenient for a weird reason; I can now have work and life separated by an entire app. Chrome for work, Firefox for fun. I'm a Windows and Android user, but I really dig this channel for keeping me up to date on the other side of the pond. Thanks for bringing this to my attention, I might be interested in a Windows version one day!
Did you tried the firefox containers? I really dig it. The only thing i think is really needed on Firefox is support for multiple profiles for multiple "Firefox accounts"
What up "chrome for work Firefox for fun" gang!!! 😁
@@randommcranderson5155 chrome first development makes it hard to do stuff like that sometimes
Same here!! Been using Firefox for as long as I can remember, but use Chrome for work.
Yo, chrome for work n firefox for fun team!
It took me 10 minutes to switch from Chrome to Firefox... and it has all the same features. You can export your bookmarks between the two. What "hassle" are they even talking about?
I'd assume they mean the hassle of switching on every device. It may not take long per install, but if you're doing it on a desktop, a laptop, a tablet, and a phone (and maybe more devices), that few minutes adds up. And then you go to use the tablet that lives in your living room that the kids play on, and you realize you forgot to switch that one too?
I've been there.
Export isn’t sync.
Took 10 minutes to switch… and another hour or two of signing in to websites, entering/waiting 2fa codes, setting the way tab groups work like the old browser. It *is* a hassle to switch browsers.
@@letssaylalalathis is the biggest reason. Inputting 2FA is so exhausting, mostly when you have to use the authenticator apps.
@@c1ph3rpunk Firefox also has sync; there's a one-time export when switching from Chrome to Firefox (or really between any two browsers), and then the new browser's native sync takes over.
Until the last part, I questioned why Edge isn't mentioned. it has vertical tabs, easy synchronization, supports every device, and has split view and collections. I get that it's just redesigned Chrome but Microsoft for once seems to care about this product constantly tweaking and adding features which is not something you can tell about Google. Arc seems nice but it is a niche product and a lack of support outside the Apple ecosystem will just hurt potential adoption.
I mainly use Edge. Its extremely cluttered by default so you'll have to spend time uncluttering. The default search engine Bing is nice but nowhere near Google. They keep adding features but they feel incomplete. Also they randomly break or remove loved features. Eventhough all that, as I said before, I mainly use Edge. Im willing to look past all the issues because yes it is quite great actually.
Also love Bing AI. Being able to summarize an entire PDF document and ask questions about it is amazing. With citations to where it found the information! Speaking about PDF, Edge definitely has the best PDF viewer too.
i stopped using edge when they started to shove "features" into every part of the user interface while still not allowing a custom start page
Yea, I love edge!
I miss the old Edge browser. It had built-in accessibility features that a Chrome extension cannot replicate. Mainly the magnifying glass. Most extensions will just crop the web page and blow it up for you to see, while the old Edge's magnifier would render that portion of the page larger so you wouldn't lose any detail. I miss it.
I'm glad you talked about it using Chromium and how Google is dominating the web. That's a very important issue that must be addressed
Imagine handing near complete control of the web to a megacorp because you can’t put up with a few minor inconveniences. It's the same Apple fans who brag about how Apple's privacy claims make iOS superior to Android, yet they use Google's browser and negate those benefits.
We literally went from 'Works best in Internet Explorer' to 'Works best in Chrome'
@@protocetid shut up !
Ok I'll share some more. Don't know why I said people's only flub is using Chrome browser, they use the entire suite of Google services so they catch every detail about your life through many avenues. I was kind enough to not even get into how Apple is only a little better or possibly just as bad, highly recommend you watch How Apple profits from hurting Facebook from TechAltar.
@@Emmet_Bryanno u
I've always used Firefox on desktop. I never switched away, even when it went through its rough patch. For a while it was stubbornness and a commitment to its openness, and it still is, but the killer feature is the Tree Style Tabs extension. Total game changer as someone who keeps a lot of tabs open and can follow many diverging paths while browsing.
On iOS, I used Safari back when I had to (maybe Opera Mini for a little in there), switched to Firefox for a while for syncing, but recently got fed up with how buggy it is and switched back to Safari, though I still keep it installed so I can send tabs to my desktop through the Share sheet.
TST is literally the best way to browse
Does it work with 80+ windows and 1500+ tabs?
@@americanv8sswhy would you ever need that
Same, although on Mac I got into the habit of using safari for youtube as on older intel Macs I noticed that Firefox used more resources playing the videos or was worse with memory management. Although thats no longer really a thing I still do it.
Although annoyingly for some work stuff on windows M365 and Azure just wouldn't load in a Firefox properly so I'd end up using edge. But I've not had any issues recently.
@@americanv8sssure
I use Firefox for everything. Adblock works on mobile. Everything syncs. I can force desktop view because so many websites are broken for mobile regardless if you're in chrome or not.
Imagine people working for a tech company not realizing that Google is the default search engine for Firefox. And that Firefox has all the same cross platform functionality with saved passwords (even though you should be using a manager like BitWarden) and synced bookmarks...
Sadly, this is the reality. I've seen game developers on TH-cam who did not know the first thing about GTA series, seeing a "tech" person who thinks Firefox cannot do searchs in Google "the same way" Chrome does is a depressing view. I hope that he just miscommunicated, but the editor of the video did not know better perhaps.
They are entertainers before they are tech people. That is why they are so big, they are good at entertaining, not at information
Chrome haters rise up
Yeah I try to avoid Google services when possible (no good TH-cam alternative)
@@KaiseroftheBladeinvidious is a privacy respecting front end. basically like youtube with all videos available, but without tracking and it is self hostable
Dude it's not supported by windows Linux or chromOS (even stupid firefox is) I'm not gonna spin up a virtual machine just to use a browser
Besides vertical tabs exist in edge as a function not the whole idea of a browser. And still nobody uses it as it takes space from the website
Anything beats chrome. Even just chromium.
Just make your own browser. It's not that hard (unless you don't know anything about pyqt/Pyside)
Or just use brave tbh only don't mind it's focus on cryptocurrency
0:50 it’s weird that younger people don’t seem to understand the difference between a search engine and a web browser. You can set Google as the default search engine on any browser you choose. Although why you’d want to use Google in the first place is another matter.
Google has become unusable if you use VPNs, as it just shoves re-captchas in your face almost every time you search. I tend to go between Bing and DuckDuckGo these days, except on my work PC which uses Google as I don't use my personal VPN at work. Google seems to really want to drive away customers these days with all the shitty decisions and product killing they keep doing lately.
I don’t think someone who works for LTT doesn’t know the difference between a web browser and search engine. He just believes it’s good having the search engine and browser developed by the same company.
plus firefox default search engine is still google.
@@ssdrbx6180You can change it
Andy is older than the host.
I just switched from chrome to firefox, and it's extremely refreshing. Google rolling out their "privacy sandbox" with it being on by default was the last straw for me. The only feature I miss from chrome is being able to search on youtube directly from the search bar. Besides that, I am a happy Firefox user! The switch was shockingly painless and the UI is very similar to Chrome, making it very familiar. I still have all my bookmarks and everything syncs perfectly between my desktop, laptop, tablet, and phone. Highly Reccomended
That being said, I REALLY like Arc's UI. Modern displays have more room horizontally than vertically and it's time UI better reflects that. Vertical space is precious, so putting all the tabs on the side makes complete sense to me. This is what is most attractive about Arc to me. I would LOVE to switch to Arc, but I just cannot right now, nor do I expect to any time soon.
I run Windows, Android, iPadOS, and Linux Mint. So, until they have TRUE cross platform support, I am just going to be jealous on the sidelines
there is something you can do to get searching youtube directly on firefox
if you click on the url bar while on youtube, you will see a youtube icon (on the "this time, search with" area)
click on that and now when searching, you can select youtube as the search engine
might be a good enough subtisute
The only feature you're missing is something you can set up in a minute? Lucky you.
1. browse to youtube
2. click the address bar
3. click the youtube icon with a plus, at the bottom (tooltip: Add search engine " TH-cam")
In search settings you can add a keyword like "y" and the type "y foo" in the address bar to search "foo" on TH-cam.
You can add any search engine in the search bar, youtube included if you want, you can also add shortcuts to specify what search engine to use each time.
You can actually modify chrome and Firefox to push the tabs and everything to the side too...
The fact that it runs on chromium is a dealbreaker for me, but I’m really glad that channels like this bring it up and talk about how chromium’s prevalence affects the internet, even if it’s only briefly mentioned.
whats wrong with chromium
@@thebeatles9 because whilst chromuim is open source, it is controlled by google, and therefore the more mainstream browsers use chromium the more power google has
@@thebeatles9made by Google, and the upcoming web manifest v3
@@thebeatles9 Google
@@thebeatles9 do you think it's a good idea for one entity to have control over advertising, search, video, and the web browser you do all of those things with?
Vertical tabs exists in Edge, which syncs between Windows and Android, and could easily be added to Chrome. Also, if you use Windows for work, you can have multiple profiles so that you can separate work and home tabs. That said, if Arc comes to PC, I'd consider it.
I've got firefox setup with sideberry for the tabs on the side and it's great. Firefox is just so moddable it's great.
Yep, and it works really well if you have a wider monitor.
Finally some more Arc coverage! Been a long time Chrome user. Took me 30 minutes to switch to Arc and I've loved the experience.
1:13 Everything he just said about Chrome is exactly how the experience with Firefox is. I have FFx on probably 4 different systems and all my bookmarks and extensions are synced to all devices.
Exactly. I use it on Windows, Android, Linux, and Mac and have all my bookmarks and add-ons sync automatically (though I will note that bookmarks on Mac seem to take a few minutes to sync unprompted)
It's good to read the comments and see that many people are waking up to how good Edge is now. It had a rough start, but they quietly improved over time to the point that it's packed full of features (read aloud, translate, grouped tabs, collections, pdf markup, photo editor, rewards, shopping coupons, etc.) but at the same time is still pretty quick and doesn't use a ton of memory. And the Ace up it's sleeve is the integrated AI sidebar. You don't 'have' to use all the features, but they are great to have if you need them.
Chrome is ridiculously over-rated. It was fine when it first came out, but it pretty much just stood still in time. It's pretty much living on name recognition alone. Many browsers surpass it in features. I bought a new laptop a few months ago and didn't even bother downloading it. I'm just using Edge now... though I'll probably download Firefox or something as a backup. Just my $0.02.
Chrome has NEVER been good. The only reason it caught on is because Google bundled it with other crap, treating it like the malware it is, tricking people into downloading it. Anyone else remember downloading Flash and getting a "surprise" copy of Chrome with it? Pepperidge Farms remembers. Hell, even to this day, I'll occasionally be on Google's website and get some ad from them about how "tHe iNtErNeT iS bEtTeR oN cHrOmE" which in any sane country should result in an immediate antitrust suit, but not this one apparently....
IMO, most of Edge's added features should be provided by extensions rather than by the browser, and some should be provided by the OS.
The former (coupons, AI, etc.) are things that are niche or varied enough that people should be able to choose from several different implementations of each thing, and even choose multiple, rather than just getting one of each chosen for them, which putting them in extensions (available from a store or otherwise) allows.
macOS has had text to speech built in, available anywhere there's text system-wide, for two decades now (though control of it when it's speaking is limited to literally only a "stop" command, and there's no visual indication that speech is even happening, unless it's been improved since Mojave). Windows and Linux should just do the same (but with proper controls). PDF markup should be shared with a PDF-viewing desktop app, where you choose one markup engine and you download a browser extension and a desktop app that both use it, so your markup can be shared between both, or the OS provides a markup engine and a desktop PDF editor, and the browser uses that engine automatically.
AI integration should be pluggable as well, in case you want to use a local model or a different cloud-service model.
There are many other uses for sidebars (such as, in Chrome, the reverse image search sidebar, the bookmarks sidebar, and the poorly-implemented sidebar that shows which search result you clicked to get to the current page but only for Google and only if the search results are still open in a background tab), so they should be opened up for extensions to use. (That's something that was, IIRC, possible in Firefox before the nerfing of extensions by WebExtension standardization. That change had legitimate benefits but also, as I understand it, meant that other browsers switching to WebExtensions from their own systems would no longer be able to allow extensions to be any more capable than they were allowed to be in Chrome.)
no thank you. edge was better when it was new. Now it is just as bloated as windows is. Edge is a combination of the monopoly overlord google and the bloat king microsoft. It brings both of the horrible worlds together into one
as someone who has switched to firefox from chrome (On windows and Mobile). The change was pretty easy to do (quick dialog box that asks the user what data they want to transfer, i.e passwords, favorites, and bookmarks), but also extensions (Such as Group Tabs, and Containers) on firefox makes it pretty nifty have a similar feature set. Plus ability to open the same tabs between PC and Mobile, granted I don't use this as often as I don't surf the internet very much on my phone. Also Firefox does have the ability to sync across multiple devices as well similar to chrome or other browsers that do the same thing as well.
I think monotized search is a very important topic, because like you said, more dominance from Google isnt really welcome.
I like the feature set, but the tabs in Safari (and probably most other browsers) being at the top take up so much less space. Those left hand sided tabs make you lose like an eighth of your screen real estate instead of basically nothing (since the tabs are in the menu bar when they're at the top).
In Arc the sidebar can be toggled with a shortcut, and you can leave it off and just hover the mouse over the left side of the screen for the vertical tabs to pop over temporarily. Best of both worlds!
@@joshandromidas That and it's excellent for people like me with a widescreen monitor. In fact, most monitors have more horizontal than vertical space and considering we scroll the web this freed up vertical space is very useful.
The only weird thing in Arc for me is that I can't really see which of my pinned tabs are open. I might expect to have a tab open, only to see it load as I click on it.
Other than that, the user experience in terms of design and animations, as well as the per-page customizability is awesome!
Been using Arc for half a year, Very good Indeed
Now, I'm curious: how do you reconcile use of the iOS- and macOS-exclusive browser when several of the individuals mentioned cross-device and cross-platform synchronization as a leading factor of their continued use of Chrome?
windows version in development
The irony of an ad for Chrome being one of the pre-video ads I got for a video titled "Stop using Chrome!"
Big fan of Arc. It completely solved my tab hoarding and I love the organisation features. The Windows version can't come soon enough! (I've heard great things about SigmaOS too, which I understand to be similar.)
I've been using Opera for over 15 years.
I used to use Arc!!
@@brokeandtired I have been using for 4
@@kabirtamboli9765why don't you use it anymore?
SigmaOS🗿🍷
The sidebar tabs are one of the many reasons I switched to Edge, so it's nice to see more browsers doing the same
Firefox has an extension called tree style tabs. Works really well
Firefox is so much better for sidebar tabs with tree style tabs
Get Vivaldi. Done. I've been using it for years
@@gnite6WY would you want that? You have group tabs in edge. That's more than enough for me.
Honestly. People sleep on Edge because a) Internet Explorer burnt bridges (rightly so) and b) Microsoft frankly treating it as malware & ramming it down peoples throats so hard. It’s elite tier. It’s a more efficient Chrome with some better features. Never looked back. And I’m a web developer by trade
They clearly don't know what a browser is ? It's not hard to switch to Firefox, it doesn't have a bad search engine, it's using google's one by default...
And Firefox has the same sync feature Chrome has too. It can even import all your data from Chrome, no effort needed.
As of a couple months now, I've been fully on Arc! At this point I'm just eagerly waiting for them to release Arc on Windows (which they are actively working on), so then I can ditch Edge and have a fully synchronized and seamless Arc experience on my macbook and PC. I wouldn't mind if the Arc iOS app got updated too, although I'm fine with just Safari on my phone.
The spaces feature is the first time have different profiles just felt right.
Little arc is amazing for things like my daily standup which is in teams (I refuse to install it). I get the notification the meeting has started, cmd+space to open Raycast, hit enter because the event is pre selected. It opens in little arc. Have the meeting. Close little arc. Continue my day. No context switching It just opens overtop of whatever I am doing and I am right back where I was after.
One issue I have with it is the tiling is a bit limiting and confusing some times . But I rarely use it so it’s fine.
I’m already deep into arc. I really like it. Btw why didn’t you mention that you can put the sidebar away so the webpage is full window
i absolutely love arc browser and the seamless change between profiles
I started using Arc in February. It was a bit buggy at the time so I tried to go back to Vivaldi which I used for 2 months after being on Chrome for my whole life... and I just couldn't stop coming back to Arc so I ended up sticking to it 😅
Btw I think it's better to disable the side panel and have it only pop up when you move your cursor to the side. Also enable the thin top panel to pin extensions. Also try using it with a touchpad rather than a mouse, I just feel it's faster to use it that way 😄
For the windows crowd, the new version of Edge does most of what Arc does. Vertical tabs, workspaces, split views etc.
Just watched the video because i love Mac Address, but i'm not leaving Firefox anytime soon it just works! also i'm really tired of the chromium monopoly of the web so firefox gecko is a stance for me also, a way to say f*** google and their monopoly.
I did try Arc but the fact that I can't move the bar from the left to the top just like other browsers is what put me off from switching to Chrome. If there was an option for doing just that I would absolutely 100% switch to Arc. That browser absolutely has huge potential.
Firefox has sync; firefox mobile has ublock. There is an extension for tabs in a sidebar tree. What else do you need? I even abuse my firefox with 2500 tabs open and it handles it fine.
I use Arc on my work macbook and I LOVE it! It does so many cool things.
The feature I like the most is that you can have different environmens with completely different extensions even!
Plus it's chromium based so you can used your chrome extensions.
Mini Arc i absolutely love too!
I can't wait for the windows version they are currently working at.
I also love how they have these update videos, making them very transparant.
You can set up profiles with different extensions (but also, I think, necessarily different bookmarks and open tabs) in Chrome or any other Chromium-based browser, and I think Firefox too. I think even Safari might be able to do this now.
I like Vivaldi the best. It's customisation is pretty good and tab management is next level
Halfway through the video I though that the tab management is really similar to Vivaldi
@@prasetyo_budiarto yeah and I'd still say tab management in Vivaldi is kinda better
@@parthmalani6286Split screen is also more flexible as you can tile them in a grid, tile as many tabs side by side as your display can comfortably fit etc. I regularly e.g browse forums with 2-4 tabs side by side.
It is also repackaged chrome.
@@BikeshWindsor more features than chrome.
I have 2 problems with arc:
1. They use chromium
2. I don’t understand how they plan to make money. I don’t think they can convince companies to pay for something they can get for free (just use any of the other options) or if they really want that design, they can write some chrome.css for firefox and be done with it.
Especially when most operating systems already come with a Browser installed, for no cost overhead, or extra IT work needed. In Windows, you literally cannot get rid of Internet Explorer without breaking the OS in some way.
Arc might seem nice, but it doesn't offer anything that would make it worth paying over the other options that people are already using, free of charge. The tab organisation is intriguing, but also not revolutionary.
My biggest issue is that sometimes notice a colleges another browsers with wing tabs around
I've personally settled into a double life of Arc and Safari with most things being done on Safari and then web apps like Figma, Spline, etc. in Arc. I've been using Arc on and off for about a year, but I still haven't been able to really figure out what it is that is keeping me from completely switching to it, I just find myself sticking with Safari
Once Arc for Windows comes out, it'll definitely be my go to there, but I'm still living the dual browser life on Mac and I don't know when that's going to change
When Firefox lost its edge against others, I switched between many browsers. Later I just noticed that Vivaldi stayed in use on my desktop and in my mobile - it just worked and synced everything that I needed ;-).
Yeah Vivaldi is perfect. Super underrated. Used Opera and Opera GX for a couple years then found out Vivaldi had most of the Opera features I liked and the mobile app was far better, meaning syncing wasn’t a hassle
I used Firefox till Edge came around for Windows 10 and haven't look back since. The customizing of Firefox was cool but I found it didn't add to the browsing experience so I didn't miss it.
The chromium Edge has decent customization but I've appreciated a cleaner look and over all it's been rewarding seeing the growth of Edge and do genuinely prefer it over Firefox (and Chrome as I've given the a try a few times too). Except the more recent sidebar, I turned that off as soon as I could, haha.
omg they finally did "show toolbar" option. now i will think about actually using arc.
Arc is dope. If you’re on mac it is THE choice. The separate spaces with their own histories is fabulous.
Orion is better tho
Arc is good, but the issue is that it drains the battery compared to Safari, as the pages are pre-rendered on Arc. This makes it feel very snappy when you're switching between tabs, but if you're fine with that, then yeah, Arc is one of the best browsers I've used recently. Also, it's very hard to change browsers if you've invested in extensions for Safari. If there were a way to keep using the extensions you had on Safari, I would've made this my default browser 😂
@@prgnifyOrion is extremely buggy and unresponsive.
People are talking like the space feature is something new but the same feature is available on almost all browsers as "Profile". The only difference is in chrome a new window opens, in Arc it is the same window which is neat.
there are like 1 or 2 other's that are pretty similar. I don't remember the name and i'm pretty sure they just bounced off the idea when Arc was getting noticed early in the year
I was using Arc for months, happy to see u cover it!
Oh man. Pre Mac OS X it was Opera, Netscape, and really late era like IE for Mac 5.2.2 because they kept it up to date for like flash and other extensions.
Arc is releasing for windows before the end of the year AND I'M SO GETTING IT
I use Vivaldi which I think is a nice blend of privacy and usability
Brave user here - love the built-in BS removal tools, but still get all the familiar Chrome plugins.
Same, there's no excuse to use Chrome
I wish they mentioned Brave. I also like the amount of trackers and crud it cuts down from the browser experience
Edge has implemented spliscreen browsing and vertical tabs and it’s glorious
I’ve been on Arc since the early days. As a programmer having a “Command Palette” that allows me to open new tabs or switch between tabs means I can have the entire browser UI tucked away
I was a Chrome user since 2009 until just this year, when I went back to Firefox. I had gone between Firefox and Chrome for a couple of years during the Windows Vista & 7 days, even trying out IE9 when it was released, however since about 2015 I was exclusively on Chrome until this year when I finally moved away from it for good. Google's anti-privacy stance with Chrome is disgusting, and Microsoft's attempts to shove AI down my face with Edge push me away from it as well.
Firefox has been an interesting change, and not necessarily in a good way. I like how it has a bigger focus on privacy and a cleaner feel than Chrome and Edge do, I like how it doesn't have any crypto junk built in like Brave and Opera do, and I also like supporting a browser that isn't Chromium since we don't want a monopoly on browser engines, we had that 20 years ago when IE6 had 95% market share and it wasn't good.
That being said, there are some issues, I'm a tab whore and I feel that Firefox isn't as good with memory management and putting tabs to sleep, I can easily use all 32GB of RAM just with Firefox, as well as I've had a lot more tab crashes with it. I also don't like that I can't always restore my browser session if I have to reboot, often the option to restore all my tabs is greyed out when restarting the browser. Additionally, Firefox on iOS isn't great, it seems a lot slower than Safari, especially in places with low signal strength, switching between Firefox and other apps with often cause Firefox to open a new tab when you go back to it from something else, which is really irritating. I'm tempted to go to Safari on my iOS devices and my Mac, but then I won't be able to sync with my Windows PCs. I can't be the only one who wants a simple cross-platform browser with no garbage tacked onto it, is privacy friendly, and has no gimmicks. Maybe Arc will become that but for now I don't see a lot of people switching to it as it's just a bit too radically different.
I haven't had an issue with restoring tabs before so I'm surprised to hear about that. I do agree though about Firefox on mobile (Android here) in that it somewhat disappoints in performance and I've had it completely black out on me when switching between apps sometimes. I still put up with it but luckily it does seem Mozilla is doing a lot of work on improving the mobile experience and bringing full extension support for example (which is why I use "IceRaven", a fork which removes extension limitations though a lot don't work). I hope we see more improvements soon.
There’s a chrome extension that lets you sync safari, but you’d have to use a chromium based browser like edge or opera
Yep also tab groups suck and the lack of account containers is really a deal breaker lately. That made me switch to chromium a few month ago and to safari lately.
Quite agree with your points - on that tabe management note though - I'd recommend installing "Auto Tab Discard" which auto-suspends tabs and frees up their memory (Firefox does it automatically but only when your computer is running low on memory). Also good is "Simple Tab Groups" which allows you to manage tabs into separate windows that can be brought up and removed with a single click. It also reduces memory consumption by converting unused groups into just links. Also auto-backups tabs so if Firefox decides to be annoying, you still have tab backups.
Also for the memory issue - seems to me that part of their issue is with a memory leak issue specifically with their GPU thread - if you restart that particular aspect by killing that process in resource monitor (easiest way since it's memory allocation doesn't seem to show up in task manager for god knows what reason), your memory allocation drops by a lot.
@@mosch1811 Firefox has account containers but only through a first-party extension you have to install.
I've been an Arc user for a year now, really enjoying it
I am using a couple of browsers. Mobile iPhone is Safari, laptop is Edge and Chrome. Working laptop is Edge, Chrome, Firefox but i try to prevent using Firefox on a windows computer. It's sluggish and starts up a lot of things you don't use. And honestly, every browser has 1 problem. The websites don't work all the time on every browser. A site that works in Edge, doesn't work in Firefox. And the one that works in Firefox, doesn't work in Edge and so on.
I love Arc and use it daily on my Macbook. It's a shame its not available on windows yet
I have been following Arc's development almost from the beginning, even though I'm a Windows guy
But I see potential in this browser. They're not re-inventing the wheel, they're rebranding the wheel; breaking free of the standard mold for web browsers and create something optimized for the new web.
I'm excited to see the release of Arc for Windows!
Make a video about how Apple caps every browser on iOS by making them use the same old webkit as Safari.
PS: try Brave still.
I am testing ARC right now, and I am in love
i have a tree tab extention for ff and i can close it. i have CSS file that removes the tabs from the top and it looks fullscreen without fullscreen.
Edge also gives you vertical tabs and it even consumes less ram than safari. With the cherry on top of having built in support for bing ai, it should become the default for mac and hence better option than arc.
I use both and they're completely different. Arc is a lot more than just vertical tabs. And, by the way, Arc has it's own AI - Arc Max. And it's not just a chat sidebar shoved on the side, but genuinely useful features.
I've been keen to try Arc for development. A split screen is something I've considered trying to build into a chrome extension, but with all the sandboxing you have to consider, it's really only something that's going to work flawlessly at the browser level.
Edge, hear me out, also has built in Split-View built in. Still prefer Arc though
@@MindfulProgramming I didn't know that. Or maybe I did, I remember the Arc devs being a bit upset that another browser vendor copied one of its features; maybe it was split view.
@@soviut303 yep they made a little skit about it lol
@@MindfulProgramming Yeah, but Arc's works better and is more natural in my opinion. Like that you can just drag the tabs around
Firefox/(any chromium based browser) + Sidebery extension is a pretty great windows alternative to this. I like Firefox as with the multi - containers extension you can seamlessly achieve the same workspace type layout as this. But I wouldn't be opposed to trying Arc if it came to other platforms too.
There is no custom css to remove the top tab bar in chromium browsers tho
@@SergioCuervo-qr9tz Ah didn't realize that. I haven't used chrome in years. Also for some reason i thought I remembered seeing that sidebery had a chrome based version, but it does not. So firefox/waterfox plus sidebery and multi account containers is probably your best bet on non mac platforms.
I installed arc the second I got my MacBook, never looked back. Now whenever I'm on a friend's computer I'm frustrated by no split screen
I use safari tab groups a lot nowadays and really like that the selection for them is in a hide-able sidebar and the actual tabs are at the top (where they always have been).
But I also have enough screen real-estate using a slightly older Sony Bravia TV as my Screen.
I started using firefox when it was still just Mozilla (and Netscape Navigator was just on it's way out) and kept using that on my windows PCs until I switched to Mac around 2012. There I just used Safari and kept using it since. In between, at school and work, I had to use IE, and nowadays Chrome/Edge, but I like the layout of things that Mozilla (Firefox) sort of invented and everyone else went with now. So I would not use Arc as Tabs, URL-Bar and such do not belong on the side for me.
i'm a mac user and i've taken a liking to orion lately.
it uses webkit, which sips battery life and is very resource light, but it supports chrome and firefox extensions natively (and they do mostly work). it also has a compact toolbar mode making it take up less visual space (although if you prefer vertical tabs, it has that too).
it's like.. better safari.
I haven't tried it. Is it integrated to MacOS? Can you place the close buttons on the left and such?
Just tried using Arc, there was a bit of a learning curve on where things are but once everything was set up (very seamless integration for me since I just imported everything from google) I made it my default right away and downloaded it on my phone. The split screen within the browser was a huge plus for me. Just wished they had the default zoom in the settings cause the 100% for me is too big.
1:59 Waaaaaaaait. I thought that apple users thought split-screen multi-tasking is "Disgusting" "Confusing" and "Unnecessary". That is what they always shriek when I bring up Apple being behind the times when it comes to iPhone not being able to use two windows at once.
I tried it for a bit and I think it's a really cool idea (or collection of ideas), but it also is just extremely overwhelming, less integrated than Safari, and not really ideal especially since I like consistency between all my devices including iPhone and iPad.
I use brave & edge, the vertical tabs are also in those and I have them set that way. Maybe I'd move over if they let me have grid tabs and bottom search & buttons on mobile. And sync is super important as a person with 6 devices
I've been using Vivaldi for years. It has a configurable UI and you can split tabs as well.
@@czdot I'll give it a try, thanks!
One thing I don’t get is why you can’t do the tab grouping outside of full‐screen mode.
I kinda feels like Opera is similar but maybe a bit less convenient and the tab are in the classic horizontal layout
i just use firefox
I used to use Chrome but a couple of years ago I switched to Firefox. I saw how Firefox was slowly going down in popularity, and I wanted to root for the little guy, and I like how Firefox is open source and doesn't use Chromium. Basically anything to screw google over lol
I use Brave, which I know is Chromium based, to watch TH-cam because there's no ads
I would like to use Firefox but two things that I use on a daily basis are missing from Firefox
1) global media control on the toolbar
2) Chromecast for TH-cam
I don't want to try any 3rd party extension to substitute these two
Do you know any way these can be activated on Firefox?
@@electrology There is nothing wrong in using add-ons for specific use cases.
@@curesafaia I agree but what are the extensions for these two from Firefox developers?
I wouldn't know about chromecast but if your keyboard has media keys those function the same way as global media on chrome, and I think you can assign digital shortcuts to it but I'm not sure on that one.
I personally stick with firefox both because of not giving google more power, but also because after manifest v3 ublock origin still works like a charm everywhere.
The thing I take away from this video is how unwilling people are to change their habits. Most of their excuses are solved. Most browsers have an easy migration, syncing and are cross platform. I was amazed most by Andy's comment at 0:50 Does he really think Google is only available on Chrome? He works for a tech company. Firefox uses Google too, nonetheless, you can change the search engines in every browser. Also, most of the design differences are available in other browsers. People just don't know how much they can change in the preferences...
You didn't mention the arc easel. You can create a dashboard of parts of websites you use.
I use Microsoft edge on my pc (yes, it’s actually good now) and safari on my iPad. Love safari’s ease of use.
Currently, I use Firefox. Much like you I'm tired of seeing Google dominate everything, and over the years they've come to more and more become the "Evil" they swore off being in the beginning. If Arc were based on Firefox or something developed independent of Google's browser I'd probably be all for trying it, but as it stands it's unfortunately a hard pass.
As i recalled either Firefox or opera having worse touch screen support. Its like we cant even switch or close the tab using touch
At least on my Linux laptop the touchscreen works correctly now. @@fantasytky28
@@fantasytky28 I use Firefox on iOS basically every day, haven’t noticed any touch problems with it. As far as Opera goes that’s now also based on Chrome, so if you’re trying to avoid Google’s browsers, Opera won’t get you there anymore unfortunately.
the minute I use arc I find that it doesn't support spatial audio for webpage
I switched from Chrome to FF when rumors about them killing ad-blocking started. It had a one-click import of all history, bookmarks, and passwords which made it so switching took less than a minute and I never had to look back at chrome, I'm not too sure if Mark has tried the switch since then?
I want to make an argument, why not use edge?
Edge (chromium) are good for my use so far. It has a vertical tab, which can be minimised to icons to solve the small window tab problem, and it has profiles as group tabs.
It syncs to your phone, and it works on linux, mac, windows, ios and android. Tho, phone version is a bit lacklustre.
It also has bing ai that you can access easily on the sidebar, but you still can set your default engine to whatever you want.
What if you have an iMac a Windows gaming laptop and a Chromebook? It's pretty easy changing profiles in chrome as well, I have 4.
Nice to see The Browser Company getting some love
I use edge for my pc and I think it's really good. Things I like about it
vertical tabs that can be grouped and neatly arranged.
It's well optimized for pc.
Collections feature, which is like a supercharged version of favourites.
Bing ai integration, I find it super helpful and actually prefer it to chat gpt.
Syncs with all my devices.
Comes with adblock on android.
I even think it looks great.
I switched to Edge when it went chromium based and never looked back.
Edge is my second choice. Prefer it to Chrome. Firefox user here. FF's ability to easily and rapidly search browser history to find something from the past is streets ahead of anything else I've tried.
Me too. I like Edge so much.
yes true and the "apps" you can create on the sidebar are amazing to use
The moment I started Edge and saw the ads on that homescreen, I closed that sh*t immediately.
You (or LTT) should do a video on Edge. I use it at work and it’s actually amazing now. It has vertical tabs like Arc but it has the killer workspaces feature.
Workspaces does seem nice. I believe the Arc team is working on ways to add some of the sharing/collaborative spirit to Arc spaces as well.
the problem is that it's bloated af. And lack some customization (I can't disable page reader etc)
5:20 oh my god I got an ad for the Nintendo switch the second after he said switching
I love Firefox. How do you group tabs easily in it? It’s one thing missing.
I've tried many different browsers but I always come back to Chrome. It just works perfectly with Google services and cross-combatibility is outstanding. I also hate vertical tabs.
Firefox user, recently went from chrome to firefox and it's really easy to switch over minus the extensions. This can be a big thing for some people and while it wasn't necessarily an issue for me, I still wouldn't be able to uninstall chrome for some very specific extensions. There's tons of other chromium browsers but those would just be substitutes for missing extension support on firefox's side
Just out of curiosity: which chrome extensions are you missing on the firefox side?
@@Florianski shazam and icloud passwords specifically. I know apple has tried making the extension for firefox but they just dropped it for some reason.
@@bowiemtl can't you just store the icloud passwords in firefox and sync them?
@@Florianski yeah I have the separate program as well so it's not an issue anymore. I just mentioned it because while switching it was an issue. The only real problem that's left now is that the program is made for windows and I'll have to see if it works for Linux as I'm switching to that
@@bowiemtl Ah i see. With my next pc i will also make the switch to Linux as i dont want Windows 11
i use safari on iphone and ipad and vivaldi on windows. i switched from firefox to vivaldi because of the customizability and features of vivaldi that i really like, like mouse gestures and stacked tabs, and you can use the icloud passwords extension because it’s chromium, so icloud for windows thinks it’s chrome. they don’t have that extension for firefox
I use a Mac and I use Edge as my personal browser to sync across all my devices with MS authenticator on my Android phone. I use Arc as my work Browser. Arc is good, but there is a learning curve, and it forces you to be more intentional about the tabs you want to keep.
This one gets me interested.
Downloaded it, installed it on iPhone, realized it needed email registration on desktop version, uninstalled it, keep going on with my live.
same 😂
To start, I have a PC for gaming and sustained heavy workloads at home, and I have a MacBook Air for on the go. I really think resources and battery life (laptop only) are really important for me as long as I'm not sacrificing function in the browser. For a while I used Microsoft Edge on Mac and PC, but recently Apple added the profile function (which was a huge boon for me) and Edge continues to optimize and add features. So for PCs I will probably stick with Edge, and with Mac (as of now) I will stick with Safari. Both are really well optimized for their respective operating systems and have the features I need.
EDIT: I also know that Edge is a controversial because Microsoft has tried multiple times over the history of Windows 10/11 to force you to use Edge only. But to me, not using such a great browser (overall) for Windows to make a statement that Microsoft won't even know about isn't worth the sacrifice of the integration that Edge has with Windows. I have also tried Google Chrome many times as well as other browsers such as Firefox, Opera, Opera GX, etc. and have never found the tight integration that makes using a browser so simple and efficient on my workflow. But others' milage may vary depending on what exactly you use your browser for.
EDIT 2: I installed Arc again and I have started using it often. Safari is good for quick and easy tasks, but long research projects or extensive browsing sessions happen on Arc. It may not be quite as optimized, but it is still a well-designed browser that is just getting better. I also started using the mobile version. I will delete safari from my phone as soon as I can watch a video in landscape on my phone.
So do you have different bookmark etc organised on two different browser?
I found arc to be super well optimized, especially with battery life.
@@MCxJudge Yes. On Safari and Edge when you have different profiles, each profile has its own separate collection of bookmarks. The most important thing on top of that for me is that each different profile has individual browser cookies. So for on each of my browsers I have a personal browsing profile, a business profile, and a school profile. Each has their own respective bookmarks and each are logged into their separate accounts for everything. TH-cam is a great example. I have a personal google account that when I am on my personal profile I will be signed into my personal TH-cam login. On my business profile, I can go to TH-cam and it will be signed into my business account instead with no fuss. Super convenient.
@@sighko Both have a great suite of features, so maybe I should try on my Mac to see which gets better battery life? I could have an automation that will browse the web with normal activities (TH-cam, article browsing, school sites, etc.) and see how long the battery lasts on each browser doing the same things..
Okay I’m trying it and it’s pretty neat!
i think a big problem with arc and its sidebar is that most sites will render in tablet mode, as most webdesign count on being 1920 and change their layout when they get smaller (aka tablet mode). Big/well known sites will be fine, but i feel this will cause more problems than its worth it i belief.
Who came here only to hear Colin speaking?
HE SPEAKS
Arc is awesome. It really makes the content the star of the show, so to speak. Their implementation of AI tools is the best that I have seen so far.
What AI tools do they have?
but it felt ilegitimate, it used chromium, it's not like nobody can't create the same feature.
which if google decided to assign 1000 of their engineers to just copy some of their features
you'll always end up die,
who knows if 2 years from now it still be around or i'll lose my entire browsing data
they didn't had the resources nor the ecosystem to defend themself.
yet they challenge Google, Windows, Apple heavily guarded turf without any preparation to fight back.
for the common user, Chrome is good enough, fast enough, and what else?
having a specific feature or having a slightly more faster browser didn't worth the hassle of migration.
it just Arc's offering is not enticing enough, it's only offering us a new browser skin and nothing else
Yeah, super convenient to have ChatGPT a keyboard shortcut away.
@@entertainment6871For example: Arc can automatically rename downloaded files and pinned tabs or give summaries of links before opening them
@@jensenraylight8011you must be fun at parties. why cant people have choices and options on tech when its becoming more personal than ever?
chromium is the default option in almost every browser ever, and its the easiet to develop all features on, but that doesnt make or break a browser.