Bike packing is usually a one or two day event , to bike touring where you could be gone up to a month or longer. That’s how we western Kentucky. The important thing is I’m joyful whatever I’m doing. Can I get an amen !!!!
Touring is usually more on-road, usually with more traditional ways of carrying gear, like panniers. Tourers can wild camp, campsite camp or go for a couch surf or inn. I am basically a recreational rider with a few yearly tours.
For those who ride alongside cars on the road, those bright “cycling costumes” are a pretty good safety factor - you stand out. If you do a helmet video, give me a holler - I broke mine in three places when a four-wheeled vehicle decided to run me down. My helmet broke, but my head did not! Fun episode!
@@brucewallace3860 That’s a good point about standing out to the cars… Of course, I avoid riding on roads with cars. I only do it if I absolutely have to…
Scott, I love how you work those digs into your commentary every week. I agree because... you're right! My husband and I are an ebike riding couple who started riding in the spring to add something new and adventurous to our otherwise rather predictable lives. I recently sold my ebike and bought an etrike after wiping out on a trail that left me scraped and bruised. My determination to keep at it has paid off and we're having a lot of fun exploring new trails together. Your videos have interjected direction and interest into our biking plans and we can't wait till we hit the trail again. Thanks and keep the trails and humor coming.
I only wear full kit when it's hot and humid, that's when performance fabrics perform their best. I always wear padded shorts, but usually with gym shorts and a t-shirt. I've found that drivers are much more friendly to me while in normal clothes than when I'm in full kit. And I always wear a helmet because I value the contents of my head.
@@chuckhunter77 I don’t need padded shorts because I sit on that cushy Townie seat 😬 but someday I’m gonna lose 30 pounds and make a video wearing an Alabama Crimson Tide cycling kit and shock the world 😂 they do make ‘em and sell ‘em.
Bike touring is like glam camping, you ride in a group, stay at a nice hotel and eat so much, that whatever you burned during the ride, you will recover two fold when you devour all that food. I call it Tequila Touring.
I'm a bike tourer, but I also do a ton of what Scott calls commuting and am an avid recreational cyclist. Personally, this is not my definition of Bike touring. IMHO, your definition is more of credit card touring, where you always stay in hotels / motels and don't carry a tent or cooking utensils. For me, bike touring is when you are completely self sufficient and can either camp or stay in a hotel / motel. Your bike has no suspension and has somewhat narrower tires, for riding on paved or gravel roads or easy dirt trails. You carry more and heavier gear than a bike packer and because of that, your gear is usually in side mounted panniers that offer more capacity, a front handlebar bag and a bag that goes on top of the rear rack. Bike packing is when your routes are primarily on mountain bike trails or gravel roads, quite often in the back country. As a result, the bike has at least front suspension forks and wider, knobbier tires. In order to get through the narrow, winding, steep trails, gear is kept to a minimum and is as lightweight as possible, therefore making them generally more expensive than what is typically used by bike tourers. Side panniers are not usually used, since they can catch on objects at the side of narrow trails. The majority of gear is kept in a bag mounted directly behind the saddle, in a frame bag mounted inside the triangle between the seat and head tubes, and in a handlebar bag that is usually larger than what is used by a bike tourer. Sometimes very small side-mounted bags or cages can be used to hold some gear or water. Of course, these definitions aren't hard and fast. I personally use a hybrid approach, where I ride a modified mountain bike with no suspension, have a large front handlebar bag, a half-sized frame bag and rear panniers with a bag on top of the rear rack. I mostly like to rough it, and try to camp as much as I can, but every week or so, will splurge on a motel room, for a break. Wow, that was way longer than I intended, but just wanted to share my perspective. To each their own... Get out and ride and have fun! :)
I’m 76 and ride amongst traffic when not on greenways and trails. Being seen is important to me, so I do wear a bright bike shirt with 3 back pockets I utilize, and blinking lights front and rear. I do have a bike computer because I try to ride a minimum of 16 miles and 25 max. This video, like all, was very entertaining.
Love your rules over all the others. Have fun and be safe is our goal. Of the countless biking videos we watch, yours is our favorite. Good stuff and amazing humor.
I would describe bike packing as a self contained trip where you carry your own gear. Verses bike touring where you are more pampered with someone carrying your gear, staying in b&b's or hotels. Both could be short, medium or long trips.
I’ve been most of the cyclists on your list over the years. These days it’s more about getting a little exercise and exploring the world around me. Great list and video.
@@Tdbike3 Yeah, I meant to mention that a lot of these categories can cross over and blend into each other… Or that certain people can be more than one type of cyclist… I just forgot. But you said it for me… Thanks!
Funny when I call out "on you're left" a lot of them move to the left or just forget what's left and right. Having a car is great, but not every outing requires a motor vehicle. Saving gas for weekend destinations. No earbuds. Just enjoy the nuance that most people miss because they're in their death-mobile. I ride because I enjoy it, and because I'm not in a hurry to get old. My Dad used to bike everywhere. He inspired me, but missed the mark with my siblings. He kinda gave up on being healthy and now instead of enjoying his hard earned retirement he's dealing with weight related health issues. I don't want that for myself. I'm not a super athlete, but I'm mindful of my health. Biking helps me unplug and overcome various obstacles. As far as clothing I wear what's comfortable and functional. K.I.S.S.
Good Stuff.. getting outside & exploring what interests you is always a great idea.. 3 miles 5 miles 10 miles it could be the best part of your day.. listening to Mother Nature is good for the soul.. putting headphones on is dangerous..
My husband and I are definitely in the recreational cyclists category. Loved this video, so entertaining and you definitely nailed it on the biker categories and suggestions. 🚴♂️ Please keep the videos coming
My husband and I were checking to see if you and your Dad and family were ok after Helene? We had been seeing the photos of North Carolina and South Carolina and so much devastation. We pray y’all are safe and all is well 🙏
@@michelletiffin6128 I was without electricity for almost a week but yes, we are fine … thank you so much for asking. But a lot of the places where I’ve done videos in North Carolina are in really bad shape. So just keep praying for them.
I believe the difference between bike packing and bike touring is a matter of balance my friend. They overlap in the middle and then divide toward the extremes. Bike packing is more off road and fewer nights where bike touring is more on road and longer trips. Of course both travel varied surfaces and distances thus the overlap. We seem to have similar riding styles although I do some bikepacking. Slow and observant is the way I like to travel as well. I like to call it leisure cycling. Lol Life's not about the destination, its about the journey. Safe travels and thanks.
Hey Scott- My wife and I enjoy your videos and video commentary. This one was one of our favorites, we had to stop it because we were laughing so hard at the Al Gore digs. We are one of your groups of bikers, E-bike couples with Bluetooth comms. We are making a list of all your trails and when I retire in March, we are headed to do some of them. Keep up the good videos, and hopefully one day, we see you on a trail and shake your hand, and maybe be able to buy you an ice cream!!
I enjoyed the change of pace with this video. I would be good with more content like this, not just the trail reviews. You are just really enjoyable to watch.
Personally, I think the difference between bikepacking and touring is a matter of off trail vs. on a road (or paved trail). Bikepackers carry their gear in packs that are designed to be "in-line" with the width of a bike. They can't afford to have packs hanging off either side of he bike and getting caught up on twigs, branches, briers, etc. Tourists are on roads....so they can make use of panniers.
I'm for your rules! A-men! Especially the "Explore" rule. My favorite thing in the world is to discover something new...to go where I've never been before...and if nature is involved, I'm IN!!!! About that "Listen" rule. The other day while riding, my hubby put music on his cell and let it rip. I asked why on earth he would do that. He said the music was enhancing his experience. I almost cried. Enjoy being single - Silver linings.
@@OffbeatDiscoveries Once upon a time I used to listen to music the whole time… But then when I stopped, I discovered how much more peaceful and calming it was to just “be present” in whatever my environment happened to be that day. Plus-and I think this is just a personal issue-when music is playing I have to be an “active listener.” I can’t just have it on in the background while I’m thinking about other things. Thanks for watching and commenting. Who knows… I just could end up in an E-biking couple. My “baby mama” 😂 and I have been talking about putting the band back together. You never know…
That’s awesome. God has his plans for you. And He has a tricky way of surprising you, too. I get it about being an active listener…that’s how I got my nickname Boogie Pants. lol. 😮.
For me doing it all is the only way to go, every style, every discipline. If I can learn to ride a unicycle on a tight rope I'm going to to love it too 😄. This as usual was a great video !
Are you okay from Helene? All those lovely videos you've filmed around our state and neighboring ones are now a piece of history only to be seen in your creations. I'm so glad you got to take your Dad on those train rides when you did. Praise God you were able to give him that joy! Hopefully you and your dad and the kids are safe. Just let me know if you're on dry ground and if you need anything.
We're good, thanks! Dad got his power back fairly quickly...I was without power for 6 days and 10 hours! My work has been extremely busy and stressful, since I work for the Communications Dept. of my city. But hey, it pays the bills. We'll get thru this. Yeah, I was telling someone just the other day that there are several towns that were affected in devastating ways in NC and Tenn where I have visited and created videos. And now...wow. They will bounce back...but it's going to take time. And money.
@@joyfultrails Oh good! So glad you're okay! 6 days w/o power must have been terrible. I only suffered 3 1/2. You have so many followers, Scott. Maybe you could put out a message and encourage the members with your good news that you're all good (well except having to work at work so hard). Thanks for the reply. Stay well and pray for our brothers and sisters in the hardest hit areas.
Spot on. For your own list, you only need two rules. Rule number one you touched on. “if you want to”. Rule number two, “for anything else that needs addressed refer to rule number one”. You’re welcome for shortening up your list for you. Enjoyed this Scott.
I like the bike trails mostly to myself, therefore I ride the city trails on the weekdays and the country trails on the weekends and holidays. This way the ride is always fun and natural. I also report fallen trees to the park rangers and crews, so they can be cleaned up quickly and keep the trails cleared.
Better watch it. The guy that wrote the first set of rules might start a channel, Hardful Trails. Your tips make sense and are helpful. I thought of one more category of cyclists. Wanna be or simulated cyclists. Those of us who enjoy watching your cycling videos from the comfort of our homes. Thanks for a fun and insightful video, Scott. 👍
Great advice. I have been doing most of your list for over 15 years. your clothing advice for 70, except for one year when I lost my mind : ) The difference between bikepacking and touring is distance and where you ride. touring is usually on road or long bike trails. I do like overnight camping trips. Really like you humor.
@@alannebel2720 Thanks, man. You know… I made an impulse buy over a year ago. I bought a small tent and thought I was gonna get into car camping. You know, ride a bike trail but then stay overnight at a more traditional RV campground. I have yet to do it. I’m wondering now if I should try to resell that tent on Facebook Marketplace 😂
Hey Scott, it was nice meeting you the other day out on the orange spur in Greenville.I wanted you to know that my wife and I are the E-bike couple you talked about. Matching bikes, (sometimes we ride other ones) helmets that we talk to each other on. Yes, you got us pegged. Ha ha. Hope to see you again sometime. I feel strange knowing how correct you are.😊
@@bonniebidwell6877 😂🤣😂… hey, I haven’t given up on my dream of being in one of those eBiking couples. I’m working on it! 😂 Very nice to meet you guys.
Scott fun video . The ten commandments of bicycling . I guess I need to work on my coming up behind people . I guess shouting get the fudge out my way is a bit harsh but effective lol .
I’ve been the athlete racer in my twenties, worked at a bike shop and the whole bit. Riding became a second job with sponsors and the pressure to do better. I quit riding completely for about five years. Now I’m 51 and still ride single track, but enjoy a good rail trail or green belt ride. I’ve learned to slow down and enjoy being on a bike again. Heck, I even pack a lunch most rides and take a good hour or more to just sit and enjoy the day. Our outlook changes I think as we “mature”. 😂 As far as warning walkers I finally gave up. Most of them around here have earbuds crammed in their ears and won’t even hear a bell. I’ve had a couple get upset and I’ve pointed this out to them as I had attempted to alert them. Must be a certain form of entitlement, as they were walking on the left side of the path 😂
@@ostekuste3646 Yep, I get that. A lot of them never even hear the warning. I meant to say in the video that sometimes people can be more than one type of cyclist and that some of these categories blend and cross over into each other. But I forgot. Nice to hear that you’re enjoying your rides again!
We’re probably a combination of the couples cyclists and recreational. We both like it but we like exploring. We like traveling to different places and taking the paths less traveled, the bicycles are an addition to that. The first purchase after the bikes was a rack to take them places! 😂
Great video Scott and I really couldn't agree more. These are often the exact things that go through my mind while i am out for a ride. Especially the sponge bath😂. I generally only see two kinds of trail users....those with smiles that say good morning back to me, and those miserable unhappy folks that you can't seem to get a smile from no matter how many mornings I might pass them. And i dont understand people that have to be entertained with something playing in their ears while enjoying (supposedly} the great outdoors. I ALWAYS have something playing while I'm riding. Sometimes it's music, sometimes it's a podcast, often a political commentary or a how-to series. Usually it's a football game with Tennessee beating Alabama in the final seconds (again)! The point is, this is all in my head, not in my ears! That great running commentary of mind clearing insights. Being alone with yourself, alone with your thoughts and idea, means being one with yourself, with others, and with God. It's the magic of cycling. Some seem to "get it", other spend a great deal of time looking for it. Thanks again for the video Scott, and in case you were wondering how a new video idea was received by your viewers.... I'll tell you after i think about it on my ride tomorrow morning!😊
@@warrenjansen7096 Well said. And all I can say is that the Third Saturday in October is going to be super interesting this year! (Do we still play on the third Saturday? There’s been so many changes in college football…)
@@joyfultrails Here is everything I know, third Saturday in October, hosted in Knoxville, 28-27 UT. Sorry about that missed field goal Scott. Wow, not even on my bike and already have that running commentary in my head! Are you coming up for the game?
@@warrenjansen7096 Ha! My son really wanted to… But when I checked into ticket prices about three weeks ago, they were ridiculously expensive. So probably not.
@@joyfultrails awe dang! I was going to tell you that my wife and I (Ebikers that have no fashion sense) would love to take you to dinner. Plus, you would have a place to crash. If you change your mind, let me know. Seriously. I'm 15 minutes from the stadium!
🚨🚨ALERT: We’ve got a leg sighting at 9:11 in the video! The man who only wears long pants did, in fact, put in a pair of shorts!! It’s a thirst trap!!🚨🚨 Keep wearing those shorts, Scott, and you’ll find that little e-bike honey you wished for back at 8:26. 🤣 Enjoyed this new video style and hearing more of the patented Scott wit. A good addition to the channel’s repertoire.
I agree with everything you said, I too am a gravel rider, preferring the solitude of an off road trail. I must comment on two of your observations. I too have noticed the E-biking couples, a recent encounter had a pair just like you described but with the addition of safari jackets festooned with whistles, compasses, and InReach Sat rescue devices. The sad part is they were going so fast the beautiful countryside must have been a blur to them. 2nd, my wife has a standing order that if she ever sees me in rubber pants, rainbow shirt and head stuffed in a bowling ball…….to just shoot me!
Ummm. We are an e-biking couple “of a certain age.” My bike is white. His black. We banter and just got headsets to banter even better while riding. 😂😂😂 nailed that description.
@@marcusrawls2125 I should get me one of those onesies that are, like, half overalls/half shorts… I would, but it would probably scare women and children 😂
Just our luck… My wife and I (E-Bike couple) just got back from four days of cycling,The Timpoochee Trail on Scenic Hwy 30 A in Florida. We could have used these…. Suggestion. Guideline, rules. Always love cycling videos and yes my cheap action camera was rolling the whole time. 🚴👍🏻😁
@@joyfultrails 18 miles between Panama City and Destin… Some of it is fantastic and beautiful… Some of it is awful lol. Cycling through Watercolor Beach, Alys Beach, and Rosemary Beach looks…. out of this country. 😁🚴 As your Dad would say as he swings his arm across his chest… Three stars.!
I love doing overnite camping, but if your not into camping just keep staying at motels. Like biking you meet the nicest people at campgrounds. I usually bike to the campground,.
@@alannebel2720 Campgrounds sound nice. It’s a long story but from the time I was 15 to 22 my family lived full-time in RVs and stayed at a lot of campgrounds… And I actually look back on that time very favorably. I might want to try some campgrounds. But I don’t think I’m cut out for just “stealth camping” or pitching a tent in the woods. 😂
Scott, full on roast of us e-bikers who like to ride with our wives and yes we have blue tooth helmets because it's a bike date. Spot on in your description! But we love it so we don't mind you poking a little fun at us. 😊
Great list! We take pictures, but leave the video to pros like you! Off to the Lamoille Valley Rail Trail in VT for a few days this week. We'll take it at 8 mph or so.
Wow I have been social profiled by Joyful Trails….. how did you know. Yes we are an E-BIKE couple with Bluetooth and comm’s, we explore, we cycle for exercise and recreation, and occasionally Go Hard. We are definitely on your Left. Butt don’t worry the fashion police won’t let us wear Spandex! Don’t worry about a helmet it might be too late for you. Now
First When Im riding on bike Paths I do care for small children and olderly people and its a shame to see those Cyclist race through 20 to 30m in those narrow bike paths most of them are the Typical familiar wearying those dozens decals like they cycling in Tour de France. There is places you can race than on Mamas & Pops Bike paths! In many cases its hard to Fight with those comparative LARGE EGOS! The rest is fine!
Wearing the "biking costume" has kept me from buying a bicycle for doing recreational cycling To me it looks ridiculous and pretentious As a native Tennessean Al Gore Jr. turned out so disappointing as a Senator. He is now in California where is a better fit. He has none of the common man sensibilities that Albert Gore senior had.
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Bike packing is usually a one or two day event , to bike touring where you could be gone up to a month or longer. That’s how we western Kentucky. The important thing is I’m joyful whatever I’m doing. Can I get an amen !!!!
@@towtowstrailtalk6853 Amen and amen!
Touring is usually more on-road, usually with more traditional ways of carrying gear, like panniers. Tourers can wild camp, campsite camp or go for a couch surf or inn. I am basically a recreational rider with a few yearly tours.
@@rafriedman That makes sense. Thanks for clarifying. 🙂
For those who ride alongside cars on the road, those bright “cycling costumes” are a pretty good safety factor - you stand out. If you do a helmet video, give me a holler - I broke mine in three places when a four-wheeled vehicle decided to run me down. My helmet broke, but my head did not! Fun episode!
@@brucewallace3860 That’s a good point about standing out to the cars… Of course, I avoid riding on roads with cars. I only do it if I absolutely have to…
Scott, I love how you work those digs into your commentary every week. I agree because... you're right! My husband and I are an ebike riding couple who started riding in the spring to add something new and adventurous to our otherwise rather predictable lives. I recently sold my ebike and bought an etrike after wiping out on a trail that left me scraped and bruised. My determination to keep at it has paid off and we're having a lot of fun exploring new trails together. Your videos have interjected direction and interest into our biking plans and we can't wait till we hit the trail again. Thanks and keep the trails and humor coming.
@@lindal.8917 Hey, good for you guys! That really is awesome. The couple that ebikes together, stays together. 😆
Best yet !!!
I only wear full kit when it's hot and humid, that's when performance fabrics perform their best. I always wear padded shorts, but usually with gym shorts and a t-shirt. I've found that drivers are much more friendly to me while in normal clothes than when I'm in full kit. And I always wear a helmet because I value the contents of my head.
@@chuckhunter77 I don’t need padded shorts because I sit on that cushy Townie seat 😬 but someday I’m gonna lose 30 pounds and make a video wearing an Alabama Crimson Tide cycling kit and shock the world 😂 they do make ‘em and sell ‘em.
Bike touring is like glam camping, you ride in a group, stay at a nice hotel and eat so much, that whatever you burned during the ride, you will recover two fold when you devour all that food. I call it Tequila Touring.
@@pedrofernandez8729 Interesting…
@@joyfultrails And expensive, some of them are like $2500 to 3000 for a one week trip. Not including the plane ride to the starting point.
@@pedrofernandez8729 😳
@@joyfultrails If i had the funds, I would actually do it, but of course i would need to use their e bike or get 2 additional batteries for mine.
I'm a bike tourer, but I also do a ton of what Scott calls commuting and am an avid recreational cyclist. Personally, this is not my definition of Bike touring. IMHO, your definition is more of credit card touring, where you always stay in hotels / motels and don't carry a tent or cooking utensils.
For me, bike touring is when you are completely self sufficient and can either camp or stay in a hotel / motel. Your bike has no suspension and has somewhat narrower tires, for riding on paved or gravel roads or easy dirt trails. You carry more and heavier gear than a bike packer and because of that, your gear is usually in side mounted panniers that offer more capacity, a front handlebar bag and a bag that goes on top of the rear rack.
Bike packing is when your routes are primarily on mountain bike trails or gravel roads, quite often in the back country. As a result, the bike has at least front suspension forks and wider, knobbier tires. In order to get through the narrow, winding, steep trails, gear is kept to a minimum and is as lightweight as possible, therefore making them generally more expensive than what is typically used by bike tourers. Side panniers are not usually used, since they can catch on objects at the side of narrow trails. The majority of gear is kept in a bag mounted directly behind the saddle, in a frame bag mounted inside the triangle between the seat and head tubes, and in a handlebar bag that is usually larger than what is used by a bike tourer. Sometimes very small side-mounted bags or cages can be used to hold some gear or water.
Of course, these definitions aren't hard and fast. I personally use a hybrid approach, where I ride a modified mountain bike with no suspension, have a large front handlebar bag, a half-sized frame bag and rear panniers with a bag on top of the rear rack. I mostly like to rough it, and try to camp as much as I can, but every week or so, will splurge on a motel room, for a break.
Wow, that was way longer than I intended, but just wanted to share my perspective. To each their own... Get out and ride and have fun! :)
I’m 76 and ride amongst traffic when not on greenways and trails. Being seen is important to me, so I do wear a bright bike shirt with 3 back pockets I utilize, and blinking lights front and rear. I do have a bike computer because I try to ride a minimum of 16 miles and 25 max. This video, like all, was very entertaining.
Love your rules over all the others. Have fun and be safe is our goal. Of the countless biking videos we watch, yours is our favorite. Good stuff and amazing humor.
@@Bobo1941 thank you so much. I really appreciate that. Made my day!
I would describe bike packing as a self contained trip where you carry your own gear. Verses bike touring where you are more pampered with someone carrying your gear, staying in b&b's or hotels. Both could be short, medium or long trips.
Cycling vs bike riding. I’m a bike rider and my goal is a good time.
@@dragonfly656 There ya go
I’ve been most of the cyclists on your list over the years. These days it’s more about getting a little exercise and exploring the world around me. Great list and video.
@@Tdbike3 Yeah, I meant to mention that a lot of these categories can cross over and blend into each other… Or that certain people can be more than one type of cyclist… I just forgot. But you said it for me… Thanks!
@@joyfultrails well, I really enjoyed your list of rules and your content in general. Keep up the good work.
My experience has been that the “uniformed” tight fitting apparel cyclists are the least likely to say “on your left” as they speed by.
You're not wrong!
Funny when I call out "on you're left" a lot of them move to the left or just forget what's left and right. Having a car is great, but not every outing requires a motor vehicle. Saving gas for weekend destinations. No earbuds. Just enjoy the nuance that most people miss because they're in their death-mobile. I ride because I enjoy it, and because I'm not in a hurry to get old. My Dad used to bike everywhere. He inspired me, but missed the mark with my siblings. He kinda gave up on being healthy and now instead of enjoying his hard earned retirement he's dealing with weight related health issues. I don't want that for myself. I'm not a super athlete, but I'm mindful of my health. Biking helps me unplug and overcome various obstacles. As far as clothing I wear what's comfortable and functional. K.I.S.S.
You make a lot of sense. 👍
Good Stuff.. getting outside & exploring what interests you is always a great idea.. 3 miles 5 miles 10 miles it could be the best part of your day.. listening to Mother Nature is good for the soul.. putting headphones on is dangerous..
@@billysbikesbrews7183 yes, sir!
@@joyfultrails Welcome to the Over 60’s Club 😁
@@billysbikesbrews7183 🎉🥳👏
My husband and I are definitely in the recreational cyclists category. Loved this video, so entertaining and you definitely nailed it on the biker categories and suggestions. 🚴♂️ Please keep the videos coming
Awesome! Thank you!
My husband and I were checking to see if you and your Dad and family were ok after Helene? We had been seeing the photos of North Carolina and South Carolina and so much devastation. We pray y’all are safe and all is well 🙏
@@michelletiffin6128 I was without electricity for almost a week but yes, we are fine … thank you so much for asking. But a lot of the places where I’ve done videos in North Carolina are in really bad shape. So just keep praying for them.
So glad y’all are ok. We will continue praying for all. So heartbreaking seeing all the areas that were affected by Helene. Praying for all 🙏
I believe the difference between bike packing and bike touring is a matter of balance my friend. They overlap in the middle and then divide toward the extremes. Bike packing is more off road and fewer nights where bike touring is more on road and longer trips. Of course both travel varied surfaces and distances thus the overlap. We seem to have similar riding styles although I do some bikepacking. Slow and observant is the way I like to travel as well. I like to call it leisure cycling. Lol Life's not about the destination, its about the journey. Safe travels and thanks.
@@cheezy-rider Yes!
Hey Scott- My wife and I enjoy your videos and video commentary. This one was one of our favorites, we had to stop it because we were laughing so hard at the Al Gore digs. We are one of your groups of bikers, E-bike couples with Bluetooth comms. We are making a list of all your trails and when I retire in March, we are headed to do some of them. Keep up the good videos, and hopefully one day, we see you on a trail and shake your hand, and maybe be able to buy you an ice cream!!
Your comment really made my day. Hopefully I’ll bump into you sometime, somewhere. 😬
I ride between 5k and 9k annually, and I rarely enjoy it. 😉
I don't know quite what to make of that...but...ok! 😁
@joyfultrails Me neither, friend. I also go to the gym 3 times a week, and I hate that, too. 🤣 You still get a like for the good content, though.
I enjoyed the change of pace with this video.
I would be good with more content like this, not just the trail reviews.
You are just really enjoyable to watch.
Well, thank ya 😬
Personally, I think the difference between bikepacking and touring is a matter of off trail vs. on a road (or paved trail). Bikepackers carry their gear in packs that are designed to be "in-line" with the width of a bike. They can't afford to have packs hanging off either side of he bike and getting caught up on twigs, branches, briers, etc. Tourists are on roads....so they can make use of panniers.
I'm for your rules! A-men! Especially the "Explore" rule. My favorite thing in the world is to discover something new...to go where I've never been before...and if nature is involved, I'm IN!!!! About that "Listen" rule. The other day while riding, my hubby put music on his cell and let it rip. I asked why on earth he would do that. He said the music was enhancing his experience. I almost cried. Enjoy being single - Silver linings.
@@OffbeatDiscoveries Once upon a time I used to listen to music the whole time… But then when I stopped, I discovered how much more peaceful and calming it was to just “be present” in whatever my environment happened to be that day. Plus-and I think this is just a personal issue-when music is playing I have to be an “active listener.” I can’t just have it on in the background while I’m thinking about other things. Thanks for watching and commenting. Who knows… I just could end up in an E-biking couple. My “baby mama” 😂 and I have been talking about putting the band back together. You never know…
That’s awesome. God has his plans for you. And He has a tricky way of surprising you, too. I get it about being an active listener…that’s how I got my nickname Boogie Pants. lol. 😮.
I'm sorry for loving my ebike! I need to calm down with my weeees and giggles as I climb the hills! And respect other riders struggles. 😉
No, don’t apologize! I hope to join your club one day. 😬 Like I said stranger things have happened…
3.5 more years and I’m asking for an e-bike for my 80th birthday.
Maybe an e-trike at 90?
@@RichardMatthews-b2f Nice! What's been your secret for a long, healthy life?
For me doing it all is the only way to go, every style, every discipline. If I can learn to ride a unicycle on a tight rope I'm going to to love it too 😄. This as usual was a great video !
@@saddleweary2777 I should’ve mentioned that some cyclists check more than one box!
Are you okay from Helene? All those lovely videos you've filmed around our state and neighboring ones are now a piece of history only to be seen in your creations. I'm so glad you got to take your Dad on those train rides when you did. Praise God you were able to give him that joy! Hopefully you and your dad and the kids are safe. Just let me know if you're on dry ground and if you need anything.
We're good, thanks! Dad got his power back fairly quickly...I was without power for 6 days and 10 hours! My work has been extremely busy and stressful, since I work for the Communications Dept. of my city. But hey, it pays the bills. We'll get thru this. Yeah, I was telling someone just the other day that there are several towns that were affected in devastating ways in NC and Tenn where I have visited and created videos. And now...wow. They will bounce back...but it's going to take time. And money.
@@joyfultrails Oh good! So glad you're okay! 6 days w/o power must have been terrible. I only suffered 3 1/2. You have so many followers, Scott. Maybe you could put out a message and encourage the members with your good news that you're all good (well except having to work at work so hard). Thanks for the reply. Stay well and pray for our brothers and sisters in the hardest hit areas.
Your video's are so funny, it makes my wife laugh and that makes life good. Be safe and stay on the ( right)side brother
You and Scotty Kilmer have the most entertaining and informative videos!
Thanks. I'll have to check him out!
Spot on. For your own list, you only need two rules. Rule number one you touched on. “if you want to”. Rule number two, “for anything else that needs addressed refer to rule number one”. You’re welcome for shortening up your list for you. Enjoyed this Scott.
@@southernebiking That’s awesome!
I like the bike trails mostly to myself, therefore I ride the city trails on the weekdays and the country trails on the weekends and holidays. This way the ride is always fun and natural. I also report fallen trees to the park rangers and crews, so they can be cleaned up quickly and keep the trails cleared.
That's a great way to approach it!
Better watch it. The guy that wrote the first set of rules might start a channel, Hardful Trails. Your tips make sense and are helpful. I thought of one more category of cyclists. Wanna be or simulated cyclists. Those of us who enjoy watching your cycling videos from the comfort of our homes. Thanks for a fun and insightful video, Scott. 👍
@@avanteadventures Do you ride stationary exercise bikes while you watch the videos? If so, you should get credit for that. 😂
Great advice. I have been doing most of your list for over 15 years. your clothing advice for 70, except for one year when I lost my mind : ) The difference between bikepacking and touring is distance and where you ride. touring is usually on road or long bike trails. I do like overnight camping trips. Really like you humor.
@@alannebel2720 Thanks, man. You know… I made an impulse buy over a year ago. I bought a small tent and thought I was gonna get into car camping. You know, ride a bike trail but then stay overnight at a more traditional RV campground. I have yet to do it. I’m wondering now if I should try to resell that tent on Facebook Marketplace 😂
At 7.45 mph you shouldn't have to say on your left very often ;)
Ha! Good point. Well...the people who are walking, I guess...😄
I like your 10 rules for cycling.
@@Arptdawg well, thank you!
Yeah, the ebike couples dis hit pretty close. Bluetooth helmets n all.....😎
Ride on and keep em coming!
@@cgul1 Well… I don’t talk about my personal life a whole lot on this channel but don’t be shocked if I end up in an e-bike couple. I’m just saying. 😮
You will be welcomed with open arms to the fraternity.
Hey Scott, it was nice meeting you the other day out on the orange spur in Greenville.I wanted you to know that my wife and I are the E-bike couple you talked about. Matching bikes, (sometimes we ride other ones) helmets that we talk to each other on. Yes, you got us pegged. Ha ha. Hope to see you again sometime. I feel strange knowing how correct you are.😊
@@bonniebidwell6877 😂🤣😂… hey, I haven’t given up on my dream of being in one of those eBiking couples. I’m working on it! 😂 Very nice to meet you guys.
I believe the ride relaxed rule is for people riding road bikes with drop handlebars
My aim is to get an e-bike when I turn 80. I might need additional help pedaling then. 3.5 more years to go.
Scott fun video . The ten commandments of bicycling . I guess I need to work on my coming up behind people . I guess shouting get the fudge out my way is a bit harsh but effective lol .
@@stephenwhite546 😂🤣😂 my brother said it would be funny to blow an airhorn when I get within 5 feet or so… 😄
I’ve been the athlete racer in my twenties, worked at a bike shop and the whole bit. Riding became a second job with sponsors and the pressure to do better. I quit riding completely for about five years. Now I’m 51 and still ride single track, but enjoy a good rail trail or green belt ride. I’ve learned to slow down and enjoy being on a bike again. Heck, I even pack a lunch most rides and take a good hour or more to just sit and enjoy the day. Our outlook changes I think as we “mature”. 😂
As far as warning walkers I finally gave up. Most of them around here have earbuds crammed in their ears and won’t even hear a bell. I’ve had a couple get upset and I’ve pointed this out to them as I had attempted to alert them. Must be a certain form of entitlement, as they were walking on the left side of the path 😂
@@ostekuste3646 Yep, I get that. A lot of them never even hear the warning. I meant to say in the video that sometimes people can be more than one type of cyclist and that some of these categories blend and cross over into each other. But I forgot. Nice to hear that you’re enjoying your rides again!
We’re probably a combination of the couples cyclists and recreational. We both like it but we like exploring. We like traveling to different places and taking the paths less traveled, the bicycles are an addition to that. The first purchase after the bikes was a rack to take them places! 😂
@@ronaldmmiller same here!
Great video Scott and I really couldn't agree more. These are often the exact things that go through my mind while i am out for a ride. Especially the sponge bath😂. I generally only see two kinds of trail users....those with smiles that say good morning back to me, and those miserable unhappy folks that you can't seem to get a smile from no matter how many mornings I might pass them. And i dont understand people that have to be entertained with something playing in their ears while enjoying (supposedly} the great outdoors. I ALWAYS have something playing while I'm riding. Sometimes it's music, sometimes it's a podcast, often a political commentary or a how-to series. Usually it's a football game with Tennessee beating Alabama in the final seconds (again)! The point is, this is all in my head, not in my ears! That great running commentary of mind clearing insights. Being alone with yourself, alone with your thoughts and idea, means being one with yourself, with others, and with God. It's the magic of cycling. Some seem to "get it", other spend a great deal of time looking for it. Thanks again for the video Scott, and in case you were wondering how a new video idea was received by your viewers.... I'll tell you after i think about it on my ride tomorrow morning!😊
@@warrenjansen7096 Well said. And all I can say is that the Third Saturday in October is going to be super interesting this year! (Do we still play on the third Saturday? There’s been so many changes in college football…)
@@joyfultrails Here is everything I know, third Saturday in October, hosted in Knoxville, 28-27 UT. Sorry about that missed field goal Scott. Wow, not even on my bike and already have that running commentary in my head! Are you coming up for the game?
@@warrenjansen7096 Ha! My son really wanted to… But when I checked into ticket prices about three weeks ago, they were ridiculously expensive. So probably not.
@@joyfultrails awe dang! I was going to tell you that my wife and I (Ebikers that have no fashion sense) would love to take you to dinner. Plus, you would have a place to crash. If you change your mind, let me know. Seriously. I'm 15 minutes from the stadium!
🚨🚨ALERT: We’ve got a leg sighting at 9:11 in the video! The man who only wears long pants did, in fact, put in a pair of shorts!! It’s a thirst trap!!🚨🚨
Keep wearing those shorts, Scott, and you’ll find that little e-bike honey you wished for back at 8:26. 🤣
Enjoyed this new video style and hearing more of the patented Scott wit. A good addition to the channel’s repertoire.
@@storieswithsweeney 😂🤣😂 … thanks, man…
I agree with everything you said, I too am a gravel rider, preferring the solitude of an off road trail. I must comment on two of your observations. I too have noticed the E-biking couples, a recent encounter had a pair just like you described but with the addition of safari jackets festooned with whistles, compasses, and InReach Sat rescue devices. The sad part is they were going so fast the beautiful countryside must have been a blur to them. 2nd, my wife has a standing order that if she ever sees me in rubber pants, rainbow shirt and head stuffed in a bowling ball…….to just shoot me!
@@larrymidash5562 Your comments really made me smile. 😆
I like your rules .. Very well.
Ummm. We are an e-biking couple “of a certain age.” My bike is white. His black. We banter and just got headsets to banter even better while riding. 😂😂😂 nailed that description.
@@WandaBrown-n2m 😂🤣😂… Wow! Hey, good for you guys. I secretly hope to join the club someday… 😬
Cycling uniform? It's a Kit! 😂
@@marcusrawls2125 I should get me one of those onesies that are, like, half overalls/half shorts… I would, but it would probably scare women and children 😂
When I worked at the bike shop all the road cyclists called it the geek suit😂
@@SwampSyndicate 😂
@@joyfultrails you would look like a Mario Bros. Lol
It is really a costume!!
Just our luck… My wife and I (E-Bike couple) just got back from four days of cycling,The Timpoochee Trail on Scenic Hwy 30 A in Florida. We could have used these…. Suggestion. Guideline, rules. Always love cycling videos and yes my cheap action camera was rolling the whole time. 🚴👍🏻😁
@@DanLee53 Timpoochee, huh? I don’t know if it was a great trail… but it has an awesome name! 😂
@@joyfultrails 18 miles between Panama City and Destin… Some of it is fantastic and beautiful… Some of it is awful lol. Cycling through Watercolor Beach, Alys Beach, and Rosemary Beach looks…. out of this country. 😁🚴 As your Dad would say as he swings his arm across his chest… Three stars.!
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I love doing overnite camping, but if your not into camping just keep staying at motels. Like biking you meet the nicest people at campgrounds. I usually bike to the campground,.
@@alannebel2720 Campgrounds sound nice. It’s a long story but from the time I was 15 to 22 my family lived full-time in RVs and stayed at a lot of campgrounds… And I actually look back on that time very favorably. I might want to try some campgrounds. But I don’t think I’m cut out for just “stealth camping” or pitching a tent in the woods. 😂
Scott, full on roast of us e-bikers who like to ride with our wives and yes we have blue tooth helmets because it's a bike date. Spot on in your description! But we love it so we don't mind you poking a little fun at us. 😊
@@marcusrawls2125 Ha! It was all in jest, my friend! No, like I said, I think I’m just jealous… 😂
Great list! We take pictures, but leave the video to pros like you!
Off to the Lamoille Valley Rail Trail in VT for a few days this week. We'll take it at 8 mph or so.
@@marklawrence4596 Awesome!
Beautiful trail! Highly recommended.
Wow I have been social profiled by Joyful Trails….. how did you know. Yes we are an E-BIKE couple with Bluetooth and comm’s, we explore, we cycle for exercise and recreation, and occasionally Go Hard. We are definitely on your Left. Butt don’t worry the fashion police won’t let us wear Spandex! Don’t worry about a helmet it might be too late for you. Now
@@owenoiffer 😂
So your 1st point after BE PREPARE is go to the bathrooom. Where is the check to make sure your depends is secure?
@@richarddkearney Oh no you just did’n… 😂
Go hard, break a sweat, hurt your glutes, What??? How about enjoy the ride and the scenery.
@@pedrofernandez8729 Yep!
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Thanks!
Logo tees?
@@rh-bd6wv I need to do that…
Emotional damage! 😂
First When Im riding on bike Paths I do care for small children and olderly people and its a shame to see those Cyclist race through 20 to 30m in those narrow bike paths most of them are the Typical familiar wearying those dozens decals like they cycling in Tour de France. There is places you can race than on Mamas & Pops Bike paths! In many cases its hard to Fight with those comparative LARGE EGOS! The rest is fine!
@@harrylen1688 Agreed!
Wearing the "biking costume" has kept me from buying a bicycle for doing recreational cycling To me it looks ridiculous and pretentious As a native Tennessean Al Gore Jr. turned out so disappointing as a Senator. He is now in California where is a better fit. He has none of the common man sensibilities that Albert Gore senior had.
Agreed. I just like to tease Gore about the internet thing. LOL
@@joyfultrails No one loves Al Gore more than Al Gore.