I'm so appreciative that the hard work was done to make the Sinden compatible with the MiSTer. Both of these projects just keep getting better! Thank you!
This is good news, I've had one of these light guns for years, but I've never actually been able to get it to work due to how complicated the instructions are. I already have a mister, so hopefully the install will work without a lot of messing around. EDIT: It does look to be working.
Hi thanks for the video , is just not a natter of running “update all” option directly on the mister , for this then to be added to the cores list ? Or is this too new , in beta stage for now
Yeah mine has been sitting on the shelf for years cause they were terrible to use and keep accurate. I assumed he just sort of took off like a lot of crowd funding campaigns since there were no new developments . Maybe I will get some use out of them yet.
I feel like a more modern implementation of Sinden would probably have a 4K 120fps capable camera, the processing would be inside the gun rather than off loaded. The display detection would also work like AR/VR were you would just define the TV location in 3D space and not require a white border. Master System has a lot more gun games than NES, SMD, SNES combined.
@@Reprogrammed_By_SEGA bullshit. often even highend phones can't do 4k 120fps, then what can process 4k 120 as AR? what hw???? a highend sbc, costing hundreds, especially in such low quantities sinden would buy.... then power requirements.... attach a 5V 3A brick on top of the standard usb.... would be very convinient :D or maybe even add wireless module and battery pack, right? :D you have no idea....
I think the issue there is you're moving the processing of 4K120 video into the gun, that combined with the increase in camera res and framerate could cause heat issues as many 4K cameras overheat at 60FPS after an hour, making it less suitable for gaming, or making it much heavier due to heatsinks etc. There's the potential for the processing to take longer as well which could add lag. This also comes with a cost increase and given the Sinden is a niche product they aren't going to get the same economies of scale that mass market stuff, even VR headsets are likely less niche than this. The Sinden gun works great for me, while inside-out tracking like you suggest would be nice, I'm not sure I'd pay more for it - I certainly wouldn't replace my current Sindens. Using an existing inside-out headset (on a stand, not your head) with tracked controller to define the TV and controller in 3D space could be a cool additional use for a VR headset though.
Does this work on a modern DLP projector, or are they too flickery? And does screen size start to become a real issue if I can't keep all of the border visible? Edit: per FAQ, seems the answers are, yes to lamp projectors, and stay 1.5x game width back 👍
Yeah, my Sindens are nowhere near that accurate. The problem is you have to be so far away from your screen for these to work. I have mine in an old House of the Dead cabinet and its just not accurate unless I am 15 feet away.
I’ve been waiting for MiSTer support for a while now. Can’t wait to try it out. Does recoil currently work? If not, are there plans to include it in the future?
So excited to finally have Sinden on MiSTer but there's a problem. Not sure if it's due to the custom MiSTer file but my Asus Bluetooth adapter is not recognized so my BT gamepad doesn't work. It works correctly using the official release.
Hi Andy, would MiSTer CRT filters work with Sinden cores at the same time? So the CRT shaders dont cover the Sinden white border? How about using MiSTer Sinden cores with CRT filters aplied on RetroTink 4K via MiSTer HDMI output? I simply can't play raw pixel output.
i've a Tink 4K and with auto crop DV1 the white border disappears and it's not working. With BFI neither. Will try CRT filters later. In my first trys the overall experince is medicore: crosshair dissapeears, moves very shaky and so on. But i'm still trying to finde the best configuration.
How well do these work with arcade machine emulators? I really would love to be able to play the original House of the Dead with a light gun on my biggest TV
Has anybody had any kind of contact with this company? I have tried to contact them 3 times in the last 2 weeks with no response, customer service seems to be inexistent
Looks like this needs forked cores - meaning someone needs to maintain these separate from the creators of the core. Don’t think we would expect to see many updates to the main cores but I generally hate the concept of forked cores.
It will get merged into the main branch sooner or later. Don't shit on a project when it is in early stages. Just use a sperate SD card for the time being.
Your TV does have a low latency game mode or sth. like it? When I tried this, the guns lagged considerably and I am pretty sure my TV was the culprit. Any advice on what to look out for when buying a new one?
Mines been in the box for 2 years. Would it work on my projector? I have a dedicated pc with hyperspin, been waiting on my seller to remotely install it to his settings.
Neil at RMC - The Cave has done some videos with Sinden on the guns, he also tried it out on a projector and it seemed to work. The issue is going to be how large the projected image will be and how far away you can stand/sit. Also If you're projecting onto a white wall or projector screen you'd either want to change the colour of the border or make sure you've got a bright projector and a dark room, otherwise it might not be able to pick up the border as being distinct from the wall/screen. I have a 48inch widescreen TV and I'd say I have to be at least 7 feet/2M+ away to get consistent aiming. There's a Sinden Discord and the people on there are probably able to give you more specifics and advice on using a projector.
This is cool if your into gaming, dont already have a collection of games, or are into tinkering i suppose. For me who owns most light guns/games for the north american market, and barely uses any of them. Mainly my ps1/2 stuff, and only once or twice a year these days. This product would be great for arcade games. Games I can't just buy and play on my crtv. Even then, the amount of learning how to set all that up, and mess around to get to work properly. Turns me off immediately. A younger me would do it, now I find my time is more valuable just playing what I have, versus diving in to another sub hobby of gaming. If there was a reasonably priced all in one console/gun. That you just have to load the arcade files into easily, I'd purchase that possibly.
Thanks so much. I love my Sinden and had lost hope Mister would ever get support! But here we are 👍
I'm so appreciative that the hard work was done to make the Sinden compatible with the MiSTer. Both of these projects just keep getting better! Thank you!
Wonder if it will be compatible with PS5 in the near future? House of the Dead Remake & HOTD2 Remake desperately need Siden support.
Great to see this working well done!
This is good news, I've had one of these light guns for years, but I've never actually been able to get it to work due to how complicated the instructions are. I already have a mister, so hopefully the install will work without a lot of messing around.
EDIT: It does look to be working.
Just purchased one of these just bare bones one to play with light gun games on the Mister. Thanks guys!
Great stuff, hope it gets put into Mister main soon
Yessss. I've been waiting for this before my purchase!!
So excited this us the implementation I was wanting years for ❤️
Hope you get a ton more sales with the release of a MiSTer driver. Incredible!
Love it, and so glad this finally came about. Appreciate the nod amigo, teamwork makes the dream work.
Now its time for some MiSTer pew pew!
The day has come! Congrats! Great job!
Awesome to see this on MiSTer! Sweet that you have a matching Sinden and MultiSystem setup for it here 🙂
Great to see this new development - good work mate!
Absolutely amazing! 👌🏽
Great to see. Any support for the Master System core, Operation Wolf port on the MS is very good!!
Just done the Mike Hunt in my head with Duck Hunt. Surprised I never saw the fun in the name years ago.
Great news & timing to hear! Looking forward to trying out the new GRS Sinden Target Pro on the MiSTer
❤nice 😊
Ohhhh damn, been waiting for this for a long time. Additional custom cores in the works?
Oh hell yeah we been waiting for this one Im so happy ❤️😍😊
Awesome!
Been waiting for this for a long time! Going to try this out tonight
Hi thanks for the video , is just not a natter of running “update all” option directly on the mister , for this then to be added to the cores list ? Or is this too new , in beta stage for now
Nice, a new video, never heard of the MiSTer before.
Welcome. Down the rabbit hole you go!
@@retroreplay1980 Looks pretty cool but should be ok with my PC aha.
@@shaunmatthewcpoetry come to the dark side.. we have cookies... and lag free retro games!
Will arcade cores eventually work with this gun?
Hoping for this too. The arcade versions are definitely the best way to play these games
What about Sega Saturn light gun titles?! Hopefully support for that core is in the works
Same question here
Doe the gun have issues with bias lighting behind the tv? I notice the tv in your example doesn’t have lights on. I can turn mine off but good to know
super excited for this, and super excited for SMS + CD + Saturn!!!!
Im angry, just sold mine after years of no developments. This is what I wanted as a day one pre orderer
Yeah mine has been sitting on the shelf for years cause they were terrible to use and keep accurate. I assumed he just sort of took off like a lot of crowd funding campaigns since there were no new developments .
Maybe I will get some use out of them yet.
I feel like a more modern implementation of Sinden would probably have a 4K 120fps capable camera, the processing would be inside the gun rather than off loaded. The display detection would also work like AR/VR were you would just define the TV location in 3D space and not require a white border. Master System has a lot more gun games than NES, SMD, SNES combined.
yeah, all we need is a gun with a 599$ pricetag :D
@@nattila7713 Those components are pretty much standard now, No one is selling you a 480p camera for cheaper than a 4K one in 2024.
@@Reprogrammed_By_SEGA bullshit. often even highend phones can't do 4k 120fps, then what can process 4k 120 as AR? what hw???? a highend sbc, costing hundreds, especially in such low quantities sinden would buy.... then power requirements.... attach a 5V 3A brick on top of the standard usb.... would be very convinient :D or maybe even add wireless module and battery pack, right? :D
you have no idea....
I think the issue there is you're moving the processing of 4K120 video into the gun, that combined with the increase in camera res and framerate could cause heat issues as many 4K cameras overheat at 60FPS after an hour, making it less suitable for gaming, or making it much heavier due to heatsinks etc. There's the potential for the processing to take longer as well which could add lag. This also comes with a cost increase and given the Sinden is a niche product they aren't going to get the same economies of scale that mass market stuff, even VR headsets are likely less niche than this. The Sinden gun works great for me, while inside-out tracking like you suggest would be nice, I'm not sure I'd pay more for it - I certainly wouldn't replace my current Sindens. Using an existing inside-out headset (on a stand, not your head) with tracked controller to define the TV and controller in 3D space could be a cool additional use for a VR headset though.
Perhaps an upgrade on the GRS Sinden Target Pro
Does this work on a modern DLP projector, or are they too flickery?
And does screen size start to become a real issue if I can't keep all of the border visible?
Edit: per FAQ, seems the answers are, yes to lamp projectors, and stay 1.5x game width back 👍
Would this work on a PC CRT via HDMI to VGA adapter? And how far back from the screen do you need to be?
Yeah, my Sindens are nowhere near that accurate. The problem is you have to be so far away from your screen for these to work. I have mine in an old House of the Dead cabinet and its just not accurate unless I am 15 feet away.
you're saying that if I buy these for my 23'' IPS, I would have a bad time?
@@Vospi Depends on how close you are. You have to have a full view of the entore screen on the cameras for the guns.
This is the greatest news ever! Thank you for making my dreams a reality
This is great, just ordered one today as now it's compatible with MiSTer as well as PC. I heard you can turn off the white border, or is that needed?
I’ve been waiting for MiSTer support for a while now. Can’t wait to try it out.
Does recoil currently work? If not, are there plans to include it in the future?
So excited to finally have Sinden on MiSTer but there's a problem. Not sure if it's due to the custom MiSTer file but my Asus Bluetooth adapter is not recognized so my BT gamepad doesn't work. It works correctly using the official release.
Why was Point Plank 2 stuttering?
Cause PS1 on my mister is the main reason to consider the purchase.
Well done!
Hi Andy, would MiSTer CRT filters work with Sinden cores at the same time? So the CRT shaders dont cover the Sinden white border? How about using MiSTer Sinden cores with CRT filters aplied on RetroTink 4K via MiSTer HDMI output? I simply can't play raw pixel output.
i've a Tink 4K and with auto crop DV1 the white border disappears and it's not working. With BFI neither. Will try CRT filters later. In my first trys the overall experince is medicore: crosshair dissapeears, moves very shaky and so on. But i'm still trying to finde the best configuration.
Really need a demonstration of Elemental Gearbolt with the sinden.
Is there an ongoing work on Sinden Lightgun 2 with wireless connectivity?😅
Sweet!
Very nice. So this is per core , i.e. applicable arcade cores would need to be created?
Have there been any conversations with the MARS team?
Does the arcade pedal work with the mister fpga for the time crisis game in the PS1 core ?
How well do these work with arcade machine emulators? I really would love to be able to play the original House of the Dead with a light gun on my biggest TV
Is there a Mister driver for the sinden pedal?
can I use GRS Sinden shotgun ?
Where is the link to the system? You only have a link to the gun and the driver
我應該來購買一支了
Stiffy activated. Now we need a Point Blank core.
Noice
Add to cart
Has anybody had any kind of contact with this company?
I have tried to contact them 3 times in the last 2 weeks with no response, customer service seems to be inexistent
Does the pedal work with Mister FPGA?
does it work with CRTs too?
Looks like this needs forked cores - meaning someone needs to maintain these separate from the creators of the core. Don’t think we would expect to see many updates to the main cores but I generally hate the concept of forked cores.
It will get merged into the main branch sooner or later. Don't shit on a project when it is in early stages. Just use a sperate SD card for the time being.
And the PC software is still an utter disaster of usability. I wanted to love my Sinden but it’s such an awkward flakey pain in the arse.
Same for me unfortunately. Stumbled across this video and I've got a mister, I'll be digging out my sindeb.
where do you get this from?
I might be wrong, but I think his company make them.
Your TV does have a low latency game mode or sth. like it? When I tried this, the guns lagged considerably and I am pretty sure my TV was the culprit. Any advice on what to look out for when buying a new one?
interesting
Rtings is a great site that reviews TVs in depth, including gaming performance, latency, etc. Start there. Most OLEDs are incredible for gaming.
due to processing time these "modern lightguns" will lag a bit anyway :) so it is NOT your TV....
due to processing time these "modern lightguns" will lag a bit anyway :) so it is NOT your TV....
@@nattila7713 It could ALSO be his TV. Every part of the chain introduces some latency.
Are you using the MisTEr fpga analog or digital?
It is clearly HDMI ta modern screen. No mention if this will work on an analogue screen in this video.
Hold the camera still!
Mines been in the box for 2 years. Would it work on my projector? I have a dedicated pc with hyperspin, been waiting on my seller to remotely install it to his settings.
Neil at RMC - The Cave has done some videos with Sinden on the guns, he also tried it out on a projector and it seemed to work. The issue is going to be how large the projected image will be and how far away you can stand/sit. Also If you're projecting onto a white wall or projector screen you'd either want to change the colour of the border or make sure you've got a bright projector and a dark room, otherwise it might not be able to pick up the border as being distinct from the wall/screen. I have a 48inch widescreen TV and I'd say I have to be at least 7 feet/2M+ away to get consistent aiming. There's a Sinden Discord and the people on there are probably able to give you more specifics and advice on using a projector.
This is cool if your into gaming, dont already have a collection of games, or are into tinkering i suppose. For me who owns most light guns/games for the north american market, and barely uses any of them. Mainly my ps1/2 stuff, and only once or twice a year these days. This product would be great for arcade games. Games I can't just buy and play on my crtv. Even then, the amount of learning how to set all that up, and mess around to get to work properly. Turns me off immediately. A younger me would do it, now I find my time is more valuable just playing what I have, versus diving in to another sub hobby of gaming. If there was a reasonably priced all in one console/gun. That you just have to load the arcade files into easily, I'd purchase that possibly.