There were many skilled czech composers which were active at the same time and often side by side with Haydn, Mozart and beethoven. But there was a structural discrimination of "Bohemian" artists at that time in the Austrian-Hungarian Empire. Italians were preferred, and German-speaking artists came second in rank after the Italians. People from Bohemia and other provinces were placed in the third rank independently how skilled they were.
@@vladimirkriz9261 Of course I do. He was a good friend of Mozart. One of my favourites is Georg Anton Benda, two generations earlier. I played his keyboard sonatas frequently. He was emplioyed at the Royal court of Prussia in Potsdam, serving in the Royal chapel under king Friedrich II. One of his colleagues there was J S Bachs composing son CPE Bach.
W A.Mozart e Gyrowetz, i migliori Musicisti di tutti i tempi in assoluto,🇦🇹Gli Eredi di W.A.Mozart, sono... Sussmayr Allievo di Mozart, Gyrowetz, il Figlio Di Mozart Franz Xaver Wolfgang,A.Luchesi, G.Rossini, Carl Maria con Weber, Galuppi, Bottesini,Cimarosa, Porpora, Boccherini, Beethoven, Sacchini,Eberl, Abel, Mahler, Cambini, Locatelli, Mendelssohn, ....E Altri ancora. Questi sono gli Eredi del Grande Genio, W.A.Mozart,🇦🇹🎹🎶🎻🎼🎵 Ciao, Grandi, Geni 🇦🇹 W.A.Mozart,🇦🇹e Gyrowetz,🇦🇹The Legend, Is Magic'S⭐The Mitic🏆👑Forever🇦🇹United🇦🇹👑🎻🎶🇮🇹🇦🇹🙏🙏🌷🌷
Lovely.At first I thought why comment at all when there were so many beautiful comments.Yet,beauty is irresistible and nothing ever too much. Thank you.
Wow, great symphony! It's excellent to find something of quality to listen to from this era that's not one of the same dozen symphonies by Mozart and Haydn that get played over and over again. I'm going to listen to more of Gyrowetz's works for sure.
Yes, it is and this in one many underrated composers who, unfortunately, in the IS is so rarely played. In fact, 'd been listening to classical music for well over 15 years before I even heard the man's name! Thank you, Mirinae for uploading this and other works by this wonderful composer. Over the years, I find more than few Czech and other Slavic composers rarely played and usually at least somewhat underrated.
Hi, Again, sorry for the delay in replying (nine months...) but just to say thank you for letting me know and mirinae0904 for uploading this beautiful symphony.
Yes, true Sunwarrior. The classic period seems to centre on Mozart and Hayden, sadly. Overwhelming they may justly be, but there were others we need to hear. Then Romantic era came about and many swarmed to its sound. But the classical period is what sways my soul. The others have my heart.
@@mhikl4484 LOL...here it is 5 years later and here I am again. Thank you for you kind words and the truth is, you stated it EXACTLY as it is. Since my initial submission here, I've come to find out there are one helluva lot more Czech composers who are quite good and yet, many are relatively little known.
I'm a former pianist and avid listener to Classical music for over 3 decades and I've just discovered this fellow today by TH-cam recommendation. Time tends to focus on benchmark musicians and neglect those who didn't have the strongest or most unique musical personalities. What an amazing era we live in where we can discover all these wonderfully neglected talents!
Thank you Mirinae for uploading this wonderful piece. Adrian Scurtu claims this is one of 40. Then why is this symphony un-numbered. I sure hope he's right, because this is the equal of anything by the famous composers of the classical period. (I'm in love with the lady in your mirinae icon.)
Mozart🇦🇹 e Gyrowetz 🇦🇹Grandi Amici Geniali La musica di Gyrowetz un po' Gli somiglia a quella del Grande Genio Mozart🇦🇹⭐in certi passaggi sembra Mozart 🇦🇹 Grandi Amici e Grandi Geni 🇦🇹🎻🎶🎹🎵🎼♥️👑👑Musica 🎹Maestosa suono perfetto tutto e' Bello Ciao, Grandi 🇦🇹⭐Geni, 🇦🇹🎹🎵🎹🎶🎻🎶🎼⭐🇦🇹🏆🇦🇹💯💯💯💣💣🎻
I don't agree, I think he was almost universally known by his German name, even in Bohemia, and would be very surprised to see the Czech spelling preferred.
@@saltator1802 Jírovec and Gyrowetz are both Czech names, even the pronunciation is the same, just Jírovec is written in modern Czech and Gyrowetz in Czech of 18th century and older. Adalbertus is Latin variant of Czech Vojtěch.
Haydn and Mozart influences? Much more. I first heard this symphony on the radio, and the first movement introduction was described by the DJ. That such a soft introduction should introduce such a boisterous Allegro is something not even Haydn did. All of the introductions by Haydn that open softly introduce fast sections that themselves open softly. That is the case with slow introductions in general. This symphony likely did not have an introduction at first, but when it did, Gyrowetz did a double subversion.
That's not true. Haydn Symphony 102 has a "soft" introduction (p) and a "boisterous" allegro (ff). I'm sure there are dozens of other examples in his music, but when you make absolute claims, one example is enough to prove the claim wrong.
Stuart Simon very fine observation. True also what Atkinson said, but c'mon, Mr Atkinson, the fact you identified a counter example to Mr. Simon does not disrupt his observation. As I wrote in another blog, Gyrowetz is particularly gifted in symphonies (whereas his piano concertos are conventional, basic, ultimately poor). Yes, Haydnian format is quite evident in his symphonies output, but Gyrowetz is not a simple "follower". He adds personality and a craftsmanship touch in a robust Haydnian format. You can even hear, selectively here and there, something anticipating Beethovenist touch. I mean, not in melodies themselves but in certain orchestration choices. Being lunch time I'd say: dumpling is Haydnian, but it's filled up with a personal mix of ingredients, sometimes even reminding here and there Beethovenist touch.
I stand corrected. I don’t look at scores much. I listen and read program notes. I was thinking about Michael Steinberg’s notes on Haydn 97 in particular, where he comments that Haydn used a fortissimo opening to both the slow introduction and to the Vivace, and he uses one to explain the other. I didn’t think that any Haydn symphonies had loud fast sections but soft introductions, and I had even listened to Haydn 102 many times. In Haydn 102, all instruments play the first note, so it is piano but has the effect of a forte. Here, it is a true piano played by the violins alone. The criteria for being able to start a Classical symphony successfully without a slow introduction are complex, but the opening of this first movement’s allegro actually fulfills those criteria.
Love this symphony.everthying flows so well unlike haydn and mozart that can be annoying.a very wonderful symphony.enjoyed every bit from start to finish.wow!
This symphony, a truly beautiful work, is too easily considered as being influenced by Haydn or Mozart. Bearing in mind Gyrowetz met them both, and at one point symphonies he had written were ascribed to Haydn; could it be possible that Gyrowetz influenced them? Gyrowetz was also a friend of Beethoven who greatly admired his works................ and bear in mind Gyrowetz wrote more symphonies than Mozart. In my mind Gyrowetz can stand with any of his contemporaries and beat most of them!
We assume that German composers dominated the scene in Mozart and Haydn's time. This premise is false. The three cultural centers of that era were Vienna, Paris and Prague. Venice to some extent. You could find five Bohemian composers to one Mozart or Haydn so to speak. Vienna had several military setbacks in the 18th Century, so the cultural resources were often imported or flowed with the demand at the moment. Opera dominated by composers such as Cimarosa and Salieri. The symphony by Bohemians. Dances and Ballet by the French. Without Prague there would be no Mozart. Mozart, contrary to popular wisdom, was a private composer and like Beethoven was better known as a pianist than symphonist. In fact Myslivecek, a Bohemian, is the most mentioned composer in the Mozart correspondence.
Baroque Hearted Not a note of this music is sturm und drang. Gyrowetz music is fashionable, easy and relatively slight; all his compositions post-date the mostly - but not entirely - Viennese sturm und drang period (c.1765 - 1775) by many years.
Hace poco descubrí a este gran músico. Sus misas, conciertos y sinfonías me llenan de gran alegría y optimismo.
There were many skilled czech composers which were active at the same time and often side by side with Haydn, Mozart and beethoven. But there was a structural discrimination of "Bohemian" artists at that time in the Austrian-Hungarian Empire. Italians were preferred, and German-speaking artists came second in rank after the Italians. People from Bohemia and other provinces were placed in the third rank independently how skilled they were.
try Jan Zach, hope you know Josef Mysliveček ...
@@vladimirkriz9261 Of course I do. He was a good friend of Mozart. One of my favourites is Georg Anton Benda, two generations earlier. I played his keyboard sonatas frequently. He was emplioyed at the Royal court of Prussia in Potsdam, serving in the Royal chapel under king Friedrich II. One of his colleagues there was J S Bachs composing son CPE Bach.
W A.Mozart e Gyrowetz, i migliori Musicisti di tutti i tempi in assoluto,🇦🇹Gli Eredi di W.A.Mozart, sono... Sussmayr Allievo di Mozart, Gyrowetz, il Figlio Di Mozart Franz Xaver Wolfgang,A.Luchesi, G.Rossini, Carl Maria con Weber, Galuppi, Bottesini,Cimarosa, Porpora, Boccherini, Beethoven, Sacchini,Eberl, Abel, Mahler, Cambini, Locatelli, Mendelssohn, ....E Altri ancora. Questi sono gli Eredi del Grande Genio, W.A.Mozart,🇦🇹🎹🎶🎻🎼🎵 Ciao, Grandi, Geni 🇦🇹 W.A.Mozart,🇦🇹e Gyrowetz,🇦🇹The Legend, Is Magic'S⭐The Mitic🏆👑Forever🇦🇹United🇦🇹👑🎻🎶🇮🇹🇦🇹🙏🙏🌷🌷
Lovely.At first I thought why comment at all when there were so many beautiful comments.Yet,beauty is irresistible and nothing ever too much. Thank you.
wonderful work! I love his music since my high school-days.
Would love to hear more symphonies of this composer. Thanks for sharing.
Wow, great symphony! It's excellent to find something of quality to listen to from this era that's not one of the same dozen symphonies by Mozart and Haydn that get played over and over again. I'm going to listen to more of Gyrowetz's works for sure.
Very nice! Never heard of this guy...
Thanks for posting this most excellent music!
Beautiful symphony...also a prolific composer 40 symphonies under his belt.
Merci.
Where can we find the other ones? 👀
A wild gallop and romp through perfect symmetries, balance and proportions.
Such uplifting and inspiring music!!!! Admire this piece.
I loved this symphony. Wonderful. Thanks.
This is wonderful! I loved it! ❤
Another great composer.
Fabulous work. Thank you for posting.
Lived Forever
Seems like Haydn + Mozart. Magnificent!
Yes, it is and this in one many underrated composers who, unfortunately, in the IS is so rarely played. In fact, 'd been listening to classical music for well over 15 years before I even heard the man's name! Thank you, Mirinae for uploading this and other works by this wonderful composer. Over the years, I find more than few Czech and other Slavic composers rarely played and usually at least somewhat underrated.
Hi,
Again, sorry for the delay in replying (nine months...) but just to say thank you for letting me know and mirinae0904 for uploading this beautiful symphony.
Yes, true Sunwarrior. The classic period seems to centre on Mozart and Hayden, sadly. Overwhelming they may justly be, but there were others we need to hear. Then Romantic era came about and many swarmed to its sound. But the classical period is what sways my soul. The others have my heart.
@@mhikl4484 LOL...here it is 5 years later and here I am again. Thank you for you kind words and the truth is, you stated it EXACTLY as it is. Since my initial submission here, I've come to find out there are one helluva lot more Czech composers who are quite good and yet, many are relatively little known.
I'm a former pianist and avid listener to Classical music for over 3 decades and I've just discovered this fellow today by TH-cam recommendation. Time tends to focus on benchmark musicians and neglect those who didn't have the strongest or most unique musical personalities. What an amazing era we live in where we can discover all these wonderfully neglected talents!
Thank you Mirinae for uploading this wonderful piece.
Adrian Scurtu claims this is one of 40. Then why is this symphony un-numbered.
I sure hope he's right, because this is the equal of anything by the famous composers of the classical period.
(I'm in love with the lady in your mirinae icon.)
Never heard of this composer before. I was listening to Haydn's 88th and then YT recommended this.
Mozart🇦🇹 e Gyrowetz 🇦🇹Grandi Amici Geniali La musica di Gyrowetz un po' Gli somiglia a quella del Grande Genio Mozart🇦🇹⭐in certi passaggi sembra Mozart 🇦🇹 Grandi Amici e Grandi Geni 🇦🇹🎻🎶🎹🎵🎼♥️👑👑Musica 🎹Maestosa suono perfetto tutto e' Bello Ciao, Grandi 🇦🇹⭐Geni, 🇦🇹🎹🎵🎹🎶🎻🎶🎼⭐🇦🇹🏆🇦🇹💯💯💯💣💣🎻
Reminds me Rolla, Mayr or Salieri, beautiful!
It is sad many haven't heard of him. Even Mozart and Beethoven liked him!
Wonderful!
Thanks for uploading!
Oops...please forgive the typos...I was carried away by the music and wasn't paying too much attention as I typed...lol.
Vojtěch Jírovec (1763 České Budějovice - 1850 Vienna) abraod sometimes also known as Adalbert Gyrowetz.
Brought here by Ivan Passer´s Intimate Lighting ;). "Take the Jírovec, for example. It is old and simple, but it has balls!" :D
I don't agree, I think he was almost universally known by his German name, even in Bohemia, and would be very surprised to see the Czech spelling preferred.
@@saltator1802 Jírovec and Gyrowetz are both Czech names, even the pronunciation is the same, just Jírovec is written in modern Czech and Gyrowetz in Czech of 18th century and older. Adalbertus is Latin variant of Czech Vojtěch.
Haydn and Mozart influences? Much more. I first heard this symphony on the radio, and the first movement introduction was described by the DJ. That such a soft introduction should introduce such a boisterous Allegro is something not even Haydn did. All of the introductions by Haydn that open softly introduce fast sections that themselves open softly. That is the case with slow introductions in general. This symphony likely did not have an introduction at first, but when it did, Gyrowetz did a double subversion.
I, too, agree there is something a LOT more here than 'standard' Haydn/Mozart movements; far more 'dynamic', that's for sure!
That's not true. Haydn Symphony 102 has a "soft" introduction (p) and a "boisterous" allegro (ff). I'm sure there are dozens of other examples in his music, but when you make absolute claims, one example is enough to prove the claim wrong.
Stuart Simon very fine observation. True also what Atkinson said, but c'mon, Mr Atkinson, the fact you identified a counter example to Mr. Simon does not disrupt his observation. As I wrote in another blog, Gyrowetz is particularly gifted in symphonies (whereas his piano concertos are conventional, basic, ultimately poor). Yes, Haydnian format is quite evident in his symphonies output, but Gyrowetz is not a simple "follower". He adds personality and a craftsmanship touch in a robust Haydnian format. You can even hear, selectively here and there, something anticipating Beethovenist touch. I mean, not in melodies themselves but in certain orchestration choices. Being lunch time I'd say: dumpling is Haydnian, but it's filled up with a personal mix of ingredients, sometimes even reminding here and there Beethovenist touch.
Pietro Landri
Your English is fantastic, complimenti; however, the correct adjectives in that language are: Haydnesque, Beethovenian, and Mozartian.
I stand corrected. I don’t look at scores much. I listen and read program notes. I was thinking about Michael Steinberg’s notes on Haydn 97 in particular, where he comments that Haydn used a fortissimo opening to both the slow introduction and to the Vivace, and he uses one to explain the other. I didn’t think that any Haydn symphonies had loud fast sections but soft introductions, and I had even listened to Haydn 102 many times. In Haydn 102, all instruments play the first note, so it is piano but has the effect of a forte. Here, it is a true piano played by the violins alone. The criteria for being able to start a Classical symphony successfully without a slow introduction are complex, but the opening of this first movement’s allegro actually fulfills those criteria.
Love this symphony.everthying flows so well unlike haydn and mozart that can be annoying.a very wonderful symphony.enjoyed every bit from start to finish.wow!
Ágil, dinâmica!
Belle musique de cour 🎶💓🎶
This symphony, a truly beautiful work, is too easily considered as being influenced by Haydn or Mozart. Bearing in mind Gyrowetz met them both, and at one point symphonies he had written were ascribed to Haydn; could it be possible that Gyrowetz influenced them? Gyrowetz was also a friend of Beethoven who greatly admired his works................ and bear in mind Gyrowetz wrote more symphonies than Mozart. In my mind Gyrowetz can stand with any of his contemporaries and beat most of them!
AMEN!!!
who are the bassoonists? wonderful play❣
"Like" on 13 May 2017
We assume that German composers dominated the scene in Mozart and Haydn's time. This premise is false. The three cultural centers of that era were Vienna, Paris and Prague. Venice to some extent. You could find five Bohemian composers to one Mozart or Haydn so to speak. Vienna had several military setbacks in the 18th Century, so the cultural resources were often imported or flowed with the demand at the moment. Opera dominated by composers such as Cimarosa and Salieri. The symphony by Bohemians. Dances and Ballet by the French. Without Prague there would be no Mozart. Mozart, contrary to popular wisdom, was a private composer and like Beethoven was better known as a pianist than symphonist. In fact Myslivecek, a Bohemian, is the most mentioned composer in the Mozart correspondence.
Naples was a pretty big musical city and with an influential musical school. Why you didnt mentioned it ?
Which Haydn symphony is this?
Hahaha just kidding!
plentiful evidence of Haydn/Mozart influences?....jn
Can you point out a few of these influences?
I wonder if the'"sturm and drang'[sic?] movements are evident here? along with this composers vigoreous sounds comparable to Mozart?
Baroque Hearted
Not a note of this music is sturm und drang.
Gyrowetz music is fashionable, easy and relatively slight; all his compositions post-date the mostly - but not entirely - Viennese sturm und drang period (c.1765 - 1775) by many years.
Grammarly and the Entertainer app is morbidly pathetic.