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How China and Australia Fell Out: From Friends to Enemies - TLDR News
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China and Australia used to be best buddies (I think the technical term would be allies) but as of late, their relationship has hit the rocks. So in this video we wanted to explain how China and Australia became so close and what ended up pushing these two nations apart.
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As an Australian, I can say this is pretty bloody accurate
Stand strong, friend. You’re an inspiration to the rest of us. 🇦🇺 👍🏻
Bloody oath mate
Not so sure that’s a good idea because ideology vs money will have money winning most of the time as evidenced during the Cold War.
@@BuddyLee23 no they arent
Liked your name
China really shot its foot when it decided to embargo Australian coal. One country is suffering periodic blackouts and it isn't the land down under.
Yeah, Xi really wants to tell "China is a strong country and I am a great leader" before the CCP's own 20th Congress in 22. IMO, he needs the justification to be considered as "Great Leader" and that's why China's foreign politics is so aggressive lately.
@@titan_fx China really do pull an America.
Although one could argue that China has possibly thought this through and is intentionally causing problems for its population to see how they'd cope if a war broke out.
I'm fairly confident that the periodic blackouts that China is no longer facing and which had a lot more to do with local leaders being overzealous about clean energy targets than about coal shortages is much less of a nuisance to China than the loss of exports is to Australia.
Having said this, I'd like to see both countries behaving more like good neighbors and less like assholes, and I wish my country (USA) would stop stirring the pot.
I think you’re drawing conclusions that aren’t there.
For context, If you are featured on four corners, you are absolutely fucked.
Four Corners is known for being extremely good at looking for suspicious information.
Not always it can be good press , but yeh if four corners are investigating you you're in trouble .
They should look into Irish politics, a tax evader is really pro china here and it’s almost certain he’s getting paid but nothing will be done unless it’s proven so the Irish can get rid of him
love this!
'Extremely good' lmao, God this is sad. Imagine thinking the ABC is anything more than a propaganda, mouth piece for the government. In this case, the LNP.
Recent Chinese diplomacy is rather interesting in terms of their (apparent) blind spots. While it appears to leverage these "strong" statements for Chinese domestic consumption, China's Foreign Ministry appears to think that these are "state to state" communiques and appear a bit blind to their political impact on the citizens of foreign nations. This is deeply contradictory. In this sense, China appears to expect that foreign democratic governments have the same degree of propaganda control over their domestic press and citizens as China does. The CCP's philosophy of "when the government speaks, the people must comply" appears to have blinded them to how things work.
They seemed to be learning from history. Their way of doing things is 1:1 copy from those likes of UK, France and USA
That's one interpretation of China's diplomatic approach. Another is that China expects other nations to be able to detach foreign policy from domestic affairs. Up until recently this has been the norm between developed nations, each of whom has retained an elite veteran diplomatic corps composed of career diplomats for the last few decades.
Recently this has started to change as populist parties in formerly stable democratic nations sweep into power and install their own cronies into administrative positions which they are ill-prepared to hold. Having removed the checks and balances on their power posed by veteran administrators, they then exploit these positions for their own agenda and gains, even if it involves damaging international relations.
@@ragabara1031 And what populist party that swept into power are you blaming for the collapse of China/Australia relations? It's China's diplomacy which is alienating them from the world. They treat other nations as enemies, the people of those nations learn to hate their apparent enemy and so politicians must follow suit or lose elections. Unless you propose an end to democracy this shift is inevitable.
@@hurrdurrmurrgurr The Liberal Party under Turnbull and Morrison has been described as being led by two different populists. It was under their administrations that a smear campaign was launched against anyone in favour of conducting trade and friendly relations with China. This coincided with smear campaigns launched against China from other Western nations, including the United States, Canada, Britain, France, and Germany, mainly to generate negative domestic impressions of China. The Chinese people do not look favorably upon trading with a nation which attacks them openly while earning their money simultaneously, and thus the Chinese government has decided to reduce trade dependence on Australia. If the Australian people call the results of such actions alienating, then they are also alienated from reality.
@@ragabara1031 Described by who, you? The best you can come up with is terrible "smear campaigns". Like that time Turnbull didn't support China trying to claim the entire South China Sea or that time he recommended an investigation into the pandemic ravaging the world.
Oh such terrible populist evils. Meanwhile China was bribing politicians to subvert our democracy and got mad when the evil populists organised an inquiry into their corruption.
If evil populists are maintaining democracy while good hearted Chinese loyalists like those in the Solomon islands welcome bribes and corruption you'll find people choose evil populism every time.
Some of the best examples of Wolf Warrior diplomacy regarding Australia include a quote of "(Australia) is the gum stuck on China's shoe" and the doctored image of an Australian soldier holding a knife to an Afghan child's neck, while said child was smothered in an Australian flag, posted by the Chinese ambassador.
with the doctored imagine I find it hilarious that Twitter didn't take it down
Ngl sounds more like wartime propaganda than diplomacy
@@tcg1476 it's surreal that in these times this kind of "diplomacy"still exists
Australia is the gum stuck on the Americans shoe
Well they're right about Australia being England's prison. ~Sincerely, a New Zealander.
who wouldve thought that shitting on countries on the slightest hint of non servitude isnt the best way to make that countries population and in turn the government like you. Who wouldve thought that huh?
It's aimed at the domestic population. China is pandering to Chinese nationalists with an aggressive foreign political stance. Sadly nothing new in the world. The worst part by far is the concentration camps for Tibetans and Uighurs in China. China should be put under a trade blockade just for that.
Real problem is our lack of economic complexity, I mean with China accounting for 52% of our exports we’ve shown ignorance in developing an economy not just reliant on China but on non renewable raw materials.
Just call it what it is - the problems that comes with free market idealogy and an unplanned economy.
In the end, jobs will be used as human shields and ended by _bosses_ for such shortsightedness.
Australian states tried to tax roof top solar and electric cars for crying out loud. I remember too well how Australian media perpetuated the notions (the conjecture) that solar generation will make electricity more expensive for poor Australians - when the fact is that day time consumption and $/kWh would be pushed down and greed squeezed to keep profits up .
In fairness, the political narrative building there is just more of the same as the UK's and US's.
Where the hell are you people coming up with these statistics?
In 2019 China accounted for 36% of our export market according to the ABS.
TLDR just claimed 42%, and now your claiming 52%.
So I'll ask again, where the bloody hell did you come up with those figures?
That, or you shouldn't have declared cold war to your best costumer.
Let's keep it simple
@@albertoamoruso7711 They had no choice, it was either that or let a totalitarian regime influence them politically
@@seanchernov7178 Nonsense
This wolf warriors thing strikes me as extremely stupid when it comes to international diplomacy. I assume its to keep nationalism on the up and up?
Yep, and it is stupid.
Chinese diplomacy is in some ways like a toddler working out how to deal with the world around them, if they are not happy they tantrum
It’s a fascistic tactic of “looking strong” since Strength and Dominance is valued while compromise and Mercy are not by fascists
It's different cultures (I'm half Australian half Chinese). Saving face is THE most important thing. China has always been aggressive but was diplomatic up until recently, now they feel they have so much power they feel they can show their true self. Also Trump didn't help by pulling out of those intl partnerships early on... China jumped on that and consolidated power. Their influence really did sky rocket since 2016.
@@alimfuzzy But, isn't acting like a three-year old the exact opposite of saving your face? Or is it only the domestic opinion that matters?
I think Australia realized what the political price would be for the best possible economic relationship with China would be. Namely compliance and silence. End the end I don't think they were willing to live with that. So now they have joined the alliance to contain China's geopolitical influence in Asia.
I really think that morals were behind this decision is highly unlikely.
@@20storiesunder so, you're not a fan of ... **checks notes** ... Imperialism?
@@toyotaprius79 Not sure I follow.
Well, Australia already has some very scary digital privacy and security laws, I'm not so sure about that...
@@20storiesunder yes they are, Austrlaia said better dead then red
As an Australian
Depressing but glad we made it into a video lol
Has TLDR done any video regards to the political controversy and battle with friendlyjeordies?
@@AlexBaz143 Compare 1930s Nazi Germany Vs 2020s Communist Chinazi IN YOUR NEXT VIDEO Project before it's too late!!
Hahaha this is how I feel whenever we get mentioned on the world stage
The CCP were also really upset when Australia decided not to roll out Huwei's 5G network due to cyber security and for influencing other countries to do the same. The CCP have also infiltrated Australian Universities with their Confucius Institutes and by donating large amounts of money & pressuring Universities to not teach any negative information regarding China. Australia has also been under constant cyber attack from the CCP. CCP backed companies are also buying businesses and real estate and simply close the business down to eliminate competition & leave real estate empty, while young families cannot afford a new home. Australians have had enough.
Its funny because Huawei actually doesn't have any backdoors and the EU ended up finding out that the US were the ones who installed backdoors and was spying on on EU the entire time.
“Wolf warrior” is such a weird phrase. They’re more like “political Karens”
Lmao true No wonder no one likes it
Wolf Wankers is what we call them in the “anti-CCP community”
biased media use them as a standard
@@hubbabubba8083 Compare 1930s Nazi Germany Vs 2020s Communist Chinazi IN YOUR NEXT VIDEO Project before it's too late!!
I believe that china is now covertly buying a lot of Australian coal through third parties at inflated prices.
Australian ties with china remain strong because of the large number of chinese university students it (usually) hosts and the significant amount of Australian real estate purchased by rich chinese speculators including the lenghty lease of a few Australian sea ports.
It would be interesting to see a contrasting TLDR report on the links between china and New Zealand.
New Zealand is CCP property already lol. They don't dare stand up to China the way Morrison - a PM I don't generally like - did. Their PM is a CCP puppet who is scared of rocking the boat.
Most Unis are expecting those student numbers to tank.
About 6% of Australia's population are Chinese-Australians. Many are recent immigrants from China. Although, some of these are Singaporean/Malaysian/Hong Kong/Macau/Taiwan Chinese while a few are descended from immigrants in the 1800s and early 1900s.
@@pronumeral1446 I’m sure they’ll claim us (Australia) after Taiwan or Singapore
@@Agentsierrabravo Let's hope they never get Taiwan. It's a nice country and shows that culturally "chinese" people can make a great democracy.
As an Australian, it’s a mess in my personal opinion. The CCP clearly are shifting their weight around, to the point that deals like AUKUS are becoming increasingly more popular. However, I do think that the Coalition governments haven’t tried to meet in the middle really in terms of diplomacy. At the end of it I do blame China, but each party has let their ego cause a domino effect. Each action antagonises the other side and we’re now at deadlock.
I’d also like to add that yes we have an unhealthy tendency to parrot what the USA says. I’d go so far as to argue that we don’t have much sovereignty.
Completely right
Maybe us just said reasonable things?
Meeting in the middle can be difficult when the CCP are running concentration camps and threat anyone who talks about it. Then there's things like the South China Sea. China's position of "it's all ours because ancient times" doesn't leave any meaningful middle ground.
@@somethinglikethat2176 I mean the US is just as bad.
Bread and circuses
It's pretty weird that China has apparently been going out of its way to demean and diminish Australia over the last few years. As I understand it, Chinese culture puts a great deal of emphasis on the idea of "giving face" - being publicly respectful and friendly, even if things are less friendly in private.
Publicly demeaning Australia may play well to their local audience, but it pressures Australia itself to do the exact opposite of what is demanded, lest politicians be seen as capitulating to Chinese pressure. This can be seen in the popularity poll quoted in the video; nobody likes a bully. Capitulating would cause Aussie politicians to, in Chinese terms, "lose face." The Australian culture prizes independence an egalitarianism, and giving in to Chinese demands flies in the face (no pun intended) of that culture. Even if Labor regain power, it's not going to happen.
Giving face is a very important concept in most Asian societies so I'm glad you recognise that point. My only comment is that it was always Australia first that was instigating and disrespecting the Chinese which had them respond in kind. Looking at the timeline of events, Australia was the first to slap China especially after China helped to keep Australia out of the Great Recession.
@@AC-dr4gq I have no evidence but i would say your probably right that Australia did slap first. When i was growing in school China was a good partner. But i think as people started to look at the athoritarian government and from the Australian perspective morally unjust actions the relationship could not be sustained.
@@alexfraser2214 totally understandable. I remember how much Australians were counting their lucky stars when we were the only nation to have continual Trade Surpluses with China when virtually everyone else was teetering on growing Deficits. But the reporting landscape in Aus has changed to show Chinese govt has been acting belligerent and we are the heroes standing up to it - which to me is completely biased. I love Australia, but its current foreign policy is a complete shamble based on a lot of distrust, mistruths and misdirection.
@@AC-dr4gq Not sure I agree. I know of three main actions by Australia that may have been interpreted as "slaps".
1. The proposed COVID investigation. Useless IMO (the origins of COVID are well understood at this point; almost certainly of natural origin within China.) But an opportunity for China to demonstrate its innocence and effectiveness of actions taken.
2. South China Sea. Australia supporting a decision by an international tribunal, which is agreed by pretty much everybody who is not actively seeking China's favour. Australia is (was) a friend to China, not a tribute state, and we have other allies in the region. We disagree with the US on some things; we have no obligation to always agree with a country which is not only a more recent friend, but demonstrably a more fickle one.
3. Various interventions to block Chinese interventions and unrestrained commercial activity in Australia. Given China's history of, and continued crackdown on, any political intervention in China and any economic activity seen to be in the slightest opposition to the CCP, this is a massive case of the pot calling the kettle black. There's absolutely no doubt that China has been trying to subvert our politicians and to some extent our media. Complaining about Australia blocking Chinese land & resource purchases is pretty rich coming from a country which outright bans private land ownership. China also seems to have no handle on the nature of independent news media. If there were a Chinese paper saying the sorts of things about Ping that Crikey says about ScoMo, they'd be in jail and possibly dead before you could blink.
So most of these cases are less a matter of Australia slapping China in the face and more a matter of refusing to turn an eye when China is caught with its hand in the proverbial cookie jar.
Given Chinese attitudes to corruption (which again seems to be partially a cultural thing) turning a blind eye may seem to have been reasonable to China. But recognition of culture is a two way street; in Australia, it's not really acceptable - ScoMo's recent activities notwithstanding.
My opinion, of course. Obviously China (or at least the CCP) disagrees.
I will say one other thing: on the global scale, in recent years, China has been acting as a small child, complete with bullying, temper tantrums, and sticking its fingers in its ears saying NAHNAHNAH. Not a good look. Fair weather friends and all that. I wish they would act like bl**dy adults and GROW UP.
You don't understand Chinese culture then lol.
There really should be a mention of the '14 demands' China made to Australia
Is that real lol? Are they trying to copy what the colonial powers did to China lmao.
You forgot one BIG thing here, that is the US.
It is the US who wanted the relationship between Australia and China to worsen. The US simply didn't like it when, in 2008, Australia didn't get any impact of financial crisis because of the advantage of relationship with China. It made the US not important to Australia.
Now the relationship has been worsened, let's see how Australia government will deal with it in the future. Many Australian export products to China had been replaced with products from Canada, New Zealand, and ...... the US !!!! What a ridiculous case.
Australia is in fact being fooled by the US.
@@satriojumeneng7055 good, wolf wanker diplomacy of china is a joke, can’t believe the mainlanders lap that up. At least US is more reliable than China.
@@MultiLiam24 More reliable ?? Do you remember who saved Australia in 2008 during global financial crisis due to Lehman Brothers case?
@@satriojumeneng7055 it certainly wasn't China, during the GFC the Australian mining industry crashed harder than any other part of the economy.
That's not to say that perhaps China's influence prior to the crash had put the country in a better position, but a better position does not necessarily harden an economy against collapse.
The primary reasons for Aus' strong performance during the great recessions are twofold:
First and foremost there were sound economic reforms and policies implemented in the 90s that regulated how our banks could lend,
Secondly the Rudd government upon advice from leading economists implemented a haphazard but decisively effective raft of stimulus programmes that were well timed.
Personally I wish Keating and Costello got more credit for their role in protecting Australians from the GFC, but the latter reason gets more credit amongst economists. You can see the influence of the lessons learned from the Rudd stimulus programmes playing out all over the world as advanced economies deal with downturns due to the pandemic.
I would be interested to know your opinion here as all the evidence seems to point to China's support drying up when we needed it most
you can’t go anywhere without seeing “Made in China” in Australia.
Sadly
Yeah but that doesn't mean China has the power, west feeds it's workers
Can you go anywhere in the world without seeing "Made in China"?
Hence why China is the world's biggest emitter.
Companies, particularly the American ones, outsourced factories to China to access cheap labour and a gigantic market.
This has been the foundation of US/western & Chinese diplomacy since the late 70s.
@@thereasonbehindchickensacts the west canibalised its own you mean.
"you fell off, mate + L + ratio" - Australia to China, probably
Aussie not Ozzy, but otherwise a good video.
Ozzy bites the heads off bats. Aussies do shoeys
@@y0uCantHandle I don't know what I hate more; The fact that we do shoeys or the fact that I have done shoeys in my first year of uni xD
Fledz, you beat me to it! XD
I was wondering what Ozzy was doing in China, lol
Annoyed me so much 😂
You didn't mention the list of 14 grievances China sent to our government which basically said we shouldn't speak our mind in our own country, including the media. Censorship in your own country is fine but when you think people will abandon their values because of trade then things are bound to go wrong. Don't tell us what we can and can't say or do in our own country.
In other words, Chinese influence in the world has decreased as a direct result of Wolf Warrior diplomacy (ie, just being extravagantly rude to any perceived slight). They've unified their enemies, while also having weakened their own position and that of their allies.
Australia’s defense policy is to protect its trade routes with 🇨🇳 from 🇨🇳.
😂😂😂
Sounds cute and slightly true but the sea routes Australia seeks to defend are to suppliers of critical imports - ie from Singapore, Malaysia, South Korea and Japan. Not so much tacky, toxic plastic toys and foodstuffs from China.
@@cuda260 , tacky toxic plastic toys... really ? think you better check where most of Aust's imports of computing & electronic gadgets, servers, laptops, smartphones etc. are made these.days. You're either outdated or still stuck in that mindset from 20-30 years ago. I know you want to denigrate China as much as possible but you also have to be factual.
*nods head*
As an Australian I say: Long live the free and independent country of Taiwan.
-99000000000 social credit points
Can you at least tell me when this "free and independent country of Taiwan" was established?
As an Australian I say: stop being the US's puppet ffs
@@BSPBuilderdejure never, defacto the day the communists finished taking over the mainland
@@lachlanmcinnes3160 So not a country yet. Got you.
The World is my favorite country.
I hate it here. There's all these.... people.
@@WanderTheNomad ... I'm sure not all of them are as bad as they are on tv and facebook...
@@WanderTheNomad yeah, I don't mind people either, but the people from World? They suck!
The World isn't a country, it's a planet, dude.
If only more people agreed.
As an ausie, i very much feel that china has gone a bit too far here. Scott morison has also done a great job at standing his ground. I dont see this ending anytime soon though. Not without some major changes on china's side.
That's the only thing he's done even a decent job at.
Another Aussie perspective - I'm absolutely against the CCP having lived in China for a few years and seen what they have done. BUT you've got to be brain damaged if you think anything which Morrison has done in his entire run can be considered great. The guy is a national disgrace.
It’s all just name calling. Is it worth damaging the Economy so that you can look tough?
I respectfully disagree, I don't think he's done a good job standing ground. I think He's playing that card to the media to get the public on his side.
I by no means defend the evil CCP, but don't see Morrison having any diplomatic skill and just a master media manipulator
China is an authoritarian regime but that doesn't mean politicians can act like Scott Morison and needlessly antagonize and escalate tensions. Supposedly the Australian government wants to take a hard line on China, but why has this only started when global opinion turned against china with the Uyghurs and Covid situation??? This is all a political move. Australia was happy to buy Chinese goods and make billions selling them Coal. Morrison and his party want to win the next election and want to appear like heros.
2:12 China overtook Japan as largest export market in 2008, not 2018. 10 years diff there.
At least unlike Canada, Australia has something resembling a functional military, especially a navy.
You wouldn't be saying that if you knew anything about our equipment procurement processes.
@@catbiscuits4424 still better than Canada. The pathetic Harry de Wolf Arctic Patrol Ships are the first newly built combat vessels commissioned into their RCN since my younger brother was born.
Most of the contracts Australia signs actively reward manufacturers for stuffing up.
And early estimates suggest those subs will be ready when I'm an old old man... And most contracts like this run Very late.
So yeah, I'd rather nothing, at least it's cheaper.
A very good video overall. But we should note that Morrison is doing his own "wolf warrior" diplomacy, acting tough against China, but it's mostly intended for Australia's domestic audience. And yes, wolf warrior diplomacy isn't good diplomacy, the Coalition has handled this terribly.
@@braynaguilar8567 Yes it does seem you're right. Murdoch et al can't really use the same rhetoric against Albo as he's just a pretty normal guy who grew up in Sydney houso flats with a single mum. He's also in his 50s not 70s like Biden. So they have probably realised that the "loony leftie sleepy Albo" wouldn't stick.
Taiwan is a country
Well, not really, since they don't claim to be an independ country themselves
@@lyampetit144 Taiwan is a... it's complicated
Taiwan, the cool China.
@@lyampetit144 The president says that there's no need to declare independence because they're already independent. So yeah, they're a country.
you say it because you simply like to watch david vs goliath
As someone conversational in Mandarin I'm sort of at a loss at what 曼陀罗 at the :30 second mark is supposed to mean.
Just looked it up on Pleco, apparently it means datura (kind of plant)? No idea if that's right or not 😂
I'm guessing they meant Mandarin. 普通话 or 国语 would've been better
@@PsychosisFire yep, you are right.
To think Australia thought they didn’t need to choose between America and China
That was before Xi Jinping went crazy.
"Arnold Schwarzenegger to Katie Hopkins" how was that so accurate lol
They banned Australian Coal and Ended Up With Power crises😂👍
Kevin Rudd claims that India was planning to leave the QUAD before Australia which made it ineffective before we even pulled out.
Absolutely false
India was the one along with Japan to start the QUAD initiative in the first place.
Which brought the US along too.
Rudd's is CCP stooge
8:09 great comparison lol, side note, been subbed to this channel from the early days and I'm genuinely proud to see how far you've come, amazing stuff.
I knew these developments, I had followed them from Singapore. It is still interesting to hear the story of the relationship going kaputt in this condensed format. It pretty much reveals it's destructive character.
You must know by now in China a friendship as we know it in the western world is an unknown concept. It is not a relationship on basis of liking without selfish goals. Friendship is culturally something totally different. A friend is primary somebody who is useful to you. Everybody can be a friend, even someone you just met, or someone who is a friend of your friend.
Please learn about their circles of relationships.
Australia was fascinated by the money China was ready to give them for their commodities. Australians do love their money, especially when it's comparatively easy.
When A. realised that that money came with many, many strings attached and that some of those strings chafed really bad in very intimate parts, they voiced their discomfort and China doesn't like any discomfort being expressed.
I appreciate that you just equated a bad trade deal to making your balls sore
Sure which Ozzie would complain enjoying 30 years of unbroken GDP growth practically riding on China's buying from Oz to fuel it's own growth, even during years when the entire world suffered from an economic recession ? The gravy trains stops now.... would be interesting to see what the sentiments is going to be like a few years from now if the import ban stays.
As australian we should cut ties with america decades ago because of the Anzus treaty we are forced to fight in every one of americas wars!
Maybe AUS takes some lessons here. Don't betray your friends for the devil's money.
Like NZ..
Look at Hong Kong, then you will know what's going on in China, especially Tibet and Xinjiang.
Not a fan of China going apeshit at any slight real or imagined.
But their calls on Australian politics are pretty accurate.
The PM was basically riffing off the opportunity to blame forigners during our lackluster covid response and the proposition to start a formal inquiry into Chinese influence in Australian politics was pointless.
Because not only is such influence wide reaching and we'll understood, The prime minister was never going to meaningfully investigate his own party.
The point is that in recent times both nations leaders are willing to do and say stupid things to appeal to their mouth breathing political base.
Good to see a comment like this, on TH-cam of all places, maybe the Australia public will get it right next election
@@davieb8216 I hope so too.
on point byron
Australia made big efforts to break off from China
Go blame itself for all the mistakes n misbehavior
so, "wolf warrior diplomacy" is just a country throwing a temper tantrum?
many autrilian friends here think the video is accurate. But China Austrilia are about bilateral relationship. From Chinese point of view, I mean chinese not CCP, Chinese would have a good relationship first business later. Western banking system was introduced to China very late in Chinese history. business in China relys on mutual trust a lot. Since the trust between China and Austrilia is broken, the business level would be downgraded accordingly. if China could buy iron ore from somewhere else, they would fully stop the trade immediately. So if one day you want to do business with chinese, you could notice that you will sign the contract on a dinner table in a fancy resturant after a lot of drinks not on an office desk. Just culture, it is nothing to do with CCP or wolf warior. China kept its head down because they had no other chioce but to work with you. Chinese are practical and hardworking so that one day they would not rely on anybody. China and Russia are threats to US becaue they want to make own decisions, not just follow someone else's rule.
Australian coal to Asia is as important as Russian coal to Europe.
As an Australian: ow man
*every country who starts a trade war*
Congratulations, you played yoursef
I think China made a mistake in trying to make Australia an example of a country which will bow down and kiss the CCP's bottom. Since convict days Australians have been proud to resist Authority, and it is national pride to give authority figures a hard time and criticize them. When the CCP takes on the role of an uninvited authority figure over Australians, of course there will be overwhelming resistance, even provocations. Don't be surprised to hear "Let's go Ryan" (Ryan being Dictator Xi's English name) chanted at sporting events so as to exemplify our feelings for the bully. When Australia has had a gutful, the iron ore trade to China will be stopped, to the happy cheers of most Australians. Get ready for Australia to lead in boycotting the Winter Olympics.
One point, KRudd didn’t kill Quad. Howard had already done it late in his term.
CANZUK ❤
❤️
I would love CANZUK even though I’m German and should hate it
Soo much yes
Nah as an Australian we shouldn't be having such alliances with the UK. We shouldn't be scurrying away to the other side of the world in London to try and get security. They didn't help us in WW2. New Zealand is a close neighbour and we should absolutely have alliances with them. We need security in Asia, not from Asia. Thus we should have economic alliances with our Asia-Pacific neighbours like Indonesia, Malaysia, Singapore, Vietnam, Thailand, Phillippines, South Korea, Japan, India, China
@@psych0536 There would be no Australia without the UK, and your security comes from the US more than the UK. Do you really think Australia is a rich and powerful nation today without British money? Your whole system is built on a copy of the UK system and you couldn't function without it.
This is skewed, you forgot the Huawei ban, you forgot that the tribunals was done by the Philippines requested by US, and the tribunal is not recognised coz it is full of US folks. ..Australia started the whole thing with Morrison.
Yeah diffinitely a bit to brief and skewed but missed many things both sides. Turnbull start the events with his speech in China.
Business is business, now Australia is facing many challenges from the time goes by, because US and China are partners in them of trades, even they're not smooth and having a lot of problems with each other, but they are like couple can't divorce, but Australia is like small brother that following every step of US policy, but they are not knowing US and China couple affairs.
to be honest, this video was quite biased as it neglected to mention the Aus ban on several Chinese products first before China banned coal and wheat. There are always two sides to a story. sadly this video covers one
Many countries have banned Huawei, with good reason.
@@awf6554 no evidence has ever been found against huawei. Google has done far worse.
@@wanmaster11 Huawei has left back doors in its systems. It will do what the CCP wants. The CCP uses the internet to spy extensively on its own citizens for the social credit system, among other things, and plans to extend that network. Why would anyone trust it not to spy overseas using Huawei. Plenty of countries clearly don't.
@@awf6554 do you always make up fake news when it suits you?
@@wanmaster11 Typical CCP non response. Like I made up the social credit system. Stay warm this winter wumao.
At this point, how can anybody even remotely defend any of the CCP's actions? I'm squarely on the side of the west in that regard
answer brainwashed or bots
a lot of people watch fg news or lamestream media. their perceptions of the world are warped. smh
If you're a tankie or a Neo-nationalist the answer very easy. China to both is seen as the ideal of their ideology.
I know a friend who does
@@AntonDDimov oof
This video is almost two years old, we need an update on this from tldr's perspective, please!
Everyone needs to stand up to China and stop relying on them for cheap goods, even if it means a increase in costs. It's only a few percent we could live with it.
>Only a few percent
You wanna work those 2 dollar an hour jobs?
@@maesterchris2120 Sure if it makes the world safe. Or would you rather be trodden underfoot?
I agree with you #boycottchina
@@Phil_AKA_ThundyUK If I have to choose between being friendly to China and my entire country living in literal huts I know which choice I'm making lmao
Tell that to people who have minimum wage...
Not sure where they get the 81% unfavourable poll of China in Australia from. But they should check the unfavourable polls towards usa and Aukus as well. I live in au and it's pretty clear we are usa's lackey atm.
I'm not sure if it's very un-biased if you start with "China just decided to go wolf warrior on Australia and hurt their feelings". I'm no international relations expert but I feel like there can be a deeper reason behind the scenes.
Wolf warrior diplomacy has been a big reason. You don’t win any friends through insults.
tldr is kinda dumb
Any other ideas then? Asking because I don't know.
@@alsamiyasfh4416 Chinese can’t insult back to Aussie? If Aussie started 1st?😅
It is also worth adding that domestic politics is at play in both countries, Specifically for Australia, the federal government has been pretty shakey politically for pretty much this entire time, don't control the senate/upper house, poor polling, constant scandales. When they won the last election they literally called it a miracle. Taking a 'staunch' position on China is a way to help bolster their domestic position (they are a conservative position, and Australia, particularly conservative Australians haven't really got over the 'yellow peril' yet).
This channel is a gem.
A very good video on showing how relationships can fall out. Plus how perceptions and reactions can escalate things in one direction or another.
0:30, I think you wanted to say mandarin, which is"普通话" not "曼陀罗"
You should have pointed out that Australia started the row with the banning of Huawei before the calling for international enquiry into Wuhan pandemic
The country of China engages in a magnitude greater negative trade measures against Australia since 2009, it is wrong for China to complain about Huawei when they do it on a magnitude greater scale.
Just a reminder --- the PLAN is using high-grade Aussie coal and Aussie iron ore to build warships. That's a bit like Alfred the Great selling high-quality swords and axes to the invading Danes.
Wolf Warrior? More like ‘That Popular Show-Off Kid Named Jeremy’.
I think the effect of Liberal vs. Labor being in power could’ve been touched on
Double coal prices for export.
As intermediaries are purchasing and exporting to China.
That must include all Australian exporting products.
Your good are in great demand.
Increase your revenue.
It can pay off the Akus Sub deal.
Let's get going. Don't sell cheap.
the term wolf worrier probably sounds better in mandarin but the English version really brings out how alpha chad cringy the whole concept is
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@@aswfabt love Australia from 🇵🇭
While Australia may be getting bullied with words, China bullies the Philippines with its actual military! This is unacceptable and Australia and Philippines should stand together.
Old white men love the Philippines
Australia has gotten pretty 🦇 💩 crazy since the early 2010s. It couldn't possibly be Murdoch.
Australia's economy being so heavily dependent on exports to China is as stupid and Germany's economy being so dependent on gas imports from Russia. One country should never be so heavily dependent on one other.
Is it true as some media reported that Australians was not aware about AUKUS or the nuclear sub deal until it was signed and approved?
You missed the key point that set this all off...
...the refusal of Huawei hardware in the telecommunications core.
Australia was the 1st country to ban Huawei but that never really destroyed the relationship.
@@michaelotieno6524 It is what caused the first threats from the CCP.
It was their justification to stop coal and lobster imports...along with wine.
@@Trextem The Finland government didn't start yelling abuse when Australia decided not to use Nokia.
...but we are supposed to believe Huawei is independent of the CCP, while Xi gets triggered by Australia making their own choice of supplier.
Xi got very upset he couldn't force Australia to use Huawei...an apparently private independent company.
Seems weird.
@@Trextem Now the CCP just uses Oppo...and no one thinks to check that.
Great video - however too many people repeat the incorrect statement that Rudd left the QUAD, it was falling apart around him
It's not very politically relevant but I know Chinese and Australian history goes far back before Australia, when Chinese merchants would trade with the indigenous people in the north. Again, not very relevant but interesting
“Appear strong when you are really weak”
Bruh... Wasn't ccp supposed to be composed of the smartest Chinese out there?
Those actions seem like the exact opposite is the case
Good video. In addition to some of the other comments' suggestions, I'd like to add that there have been resignations from senior politicians because of their shady relationships with Chinese businessmen, who have at least attempted to buy their votes. Sam Dastyari, in particular is one prime example.
Dude was a scapegoat for a practise so common as to be ubiquitous.
Bit like that one guy who finally went to jail for the entire global financial crisis.
@@catbiscuits4424 agreed. I can't be convinced that the elite aren't anything less than dirty swines.
Controversial opinion here.
I liked Dastyari. He was big on tax evasion, very effective at pursuing the big corpos.
He accepted about a grand back in the day and declared the donation as is law.
And his main comment that landed him in hot water was that it's the "South China sea" not the south Australia sea so we shouldn't fuckin worry about it.
Growing up at the start of the forever wars has made me a hard non interventionist.
@@catbiscuits4424 we'll agree to disagree then. I have some pretty strong opinions regarding his behaviour.
Let's put it in a more positive light.
We agree that it's a wider spread problem then was depicted and that it's bad that (to my Knowledge) after the song and dance no actual safeguards against this kind of lobbying have been put it place.
Largely because political leaders... Well they like money.
But we disagree on the particulars of Dastyari. Probably for differing but reasonable reasons.
"Just started buying nuclear submarines" is somewhat misleading.
Holy shit I really despise it when people think that some trade deal or the way diplomats speak is at all indicative of geopolitical relations. Australia was never even close to being a Chinese ally, even suggesting that is so bizzare and nonsensical, and the fact that now Australia is exporting less to China is just a confirmation of that. And more than any of these minor economic deals: the amount of trade between countries and stuff like the tone that diplomats use on Twitter has literally nothing to do with actual national interests. Of course things like embargoes or sanctions are useful political tools, but the amount of trade between Japan and America was at its highest before pearl harbor, and same thing with the nazis and the soviets. Australia has permanent interests in the indo-pacific, and the fact is that the Chinese interests in these regions are very often overlapping or outright the opposite of Australian ones, while American ones are very similar to Australian ones.
I’m quite impressed that you coined the “wolf warrior” terminology, which is often used by us Chinese to mock about china’s aggressive foreign policy. It came from a hideous Chinese movie where the lead character is this Rambo-like soldier who saves China and the world with some of the most ridiculous story line and nationalistic propaganda crap… didn’t think I have seen this term used in any English context
The term is DUE to that movie, they didnt coined it.
G'day I've been hearing it for a while. Look up SerpentZA and C-milk. One is a white south African and C-milk is American. both have Chinese wives and mixed race children. They Both lived in China for at least 10 years
@@stephenharvey4138 Winston and Matt are great!!!
Indonesia in the middle be like: Ah... Shit...
apa pendapat orang yang berasal dari Cina dan tinggal di Indonesia?
@@sherrijennings9309 They control Indonesians..
Four corners a show that could get the public to convict a new born of a crime. Australian media have sure learned lots from UK and US on propaganda.
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I want to ask, where do you get that stats?
You have skipped over Australia's Wolf Worrier Diplomacy - our PM goes for jingoistic responses in relation to minor slights by minor Chinese officials; he is incapable of descalation, preferring to stir up tension for domestic political gain.
It's kind of concerning when a very powerful country is very unpopular in a lot of other countries, since that's how you brew a war. And that's what happens between China and the west right now
It's not even just the west. Their regional neighbours don't like them either.
@@Groaker That's what I've heard as well, but I didn't want to be presumptive. (As someone who lives in Germany, it's pretty hard to know what Vietnamese People really think)
@@Groaker wrong, southeast asian countries still welcome Chinese investment, it's easy to find countries that dont like china,
Mainly Western counties especially anglosphere countries + japan and Korea, that's all
@@americanidiotinchief259 Nope, you're wrong. Welcoming investment is not the same as having good diplomatic ties. Everyone has good investment ties with China, even Australia but just not as good as before. China's strong-arm tactics with their regional neighbours is, especially the illegal nine-dash-line island military bases, have absolutely pissed surrounding countries, nevermind their sour relations with Mongolia, India, Nepal and Bhutan.
@@Groaker no, if you think that bad diplomatic ties wont effect investment you're clearly delusional, pew research does yearly survey on how countries view on china vs the US and every year we can pretty much expect the similar results, countries who see china negatively are usually the same Western counties and some other countries with Western ties, so far only 2 countries speak the loudest on nide dash lines Philippines who is a perpetual ally of US in the region and Vietnam who is never a friend of china other that that there hasn't been that many incidents with countries like Malaysia or Brunei.
Philippines hasn't been able to get that many investment from china either considering their track record of suddenly canceling projects.
And even with american propaganda running 24/7 ASEAN countries just dont want to hurt their Good diplomatic relationship with china, the same goes with CIA Uyghur propaganda in middle east and debt trap propaganda in africa.
I think it’s also important to mention the image, that took the issue far more mainstream amongst the public imo
This is deeply influenced by US ties, and Australia got what it deserved in the issue. Many countries around the world including US, invest in politicians around the world, and it just seems a bit xenophobic to be only pointing out Chinese donations. Xenophobic: "having or showing a dislike of or prejudice against people from other countries." Sinophobic: "Anti-Chinese sentiment is a fear or dislike of Chinese people or Chinese culture, also referred to as Sinophobia." It's blatant slander against China and it's people if they have no proof that the virus directly came from China in example of the spanish flu, where it's called the spanish flu but was actually from America. People and media spread that it is from there, but there is no literal proof, and while the UN has gone to the Wuhan Lab, they refuse to go to the Fort Detrick Lab, which just shows the bias.
The Australia China rift came at a conjunction between wolf warrior diplomacy and a series of ineffectual and shallow Australian governments.
Morrison is unpopular due to mishandling of bushfires and the covid vaccine roll-out. His coalition holds power by one seat in parliament. He and Foreign Minister Dutton have been inflaming the rift with China hoping for some electoral bounce and to wedge the opposition.
The nuclear sub deal is being played for domestic purposes, and puts Australia's defence at risk. Australia desperately needs to replace its aging sub fleet now, not in the 20 to 30 years time resulting from the new deal.
China's aggression could and should have been handled in a more low key manner. Morrison is undermining Australian trade and defence in the hope of winning the next election.
He is doing the right I wish other countries would do the same. The CCP can not be trusted and are committing horrors as we speak right now.
priority for any authoritarian regime is to retain power, hence the strong talk by china politicians playing to a domestic audience to keep them in line and obedient to the regime to appear strong will always come first before any reasonable diplomacy in today's China, how things have changed in 50 years.......bring back the cold war!
Scary how it was easier to do diplomacy with Mao than Xi
Isn't retaining power the priority for all forms government? I mean it's pretty blatant how American politicians will do anything to get elected.
Reasonable diplomacy is between china and USA, i dont think any diplomat in china are delusional enough to think that Australia can have an independent china policy from that of the USA
As an Australian I can confirm we have Minecraft blocks in our country
Please could you do another Opinionated series?
You mean he shld do another Biased series.
@@medialcanthus9681 Yes, it was mildly, but everything is. There's no way to avoid it, but they do pretty well to avoid it. It's our job just to recognise the biased elements and to watch a range of sources with different perspectives. I just enjoyed that series.
I mean what did Australia honestly expect when they, a democracy, sided with a dictatorship? Like yah, that has totally panned out before. The Aussies had it coming.
I wonder which country manufactured that electronic device you used to type that post?
Australia never sided with China...it just had good economic ties with them before all the crap happened...along with any other country that traded with them all through this too.
I love Australia
Especially thejuicemedia
Me too
Man china is doing its super villain reveal far too early.
50c army arrives
I remember a TV program once quipped New "Xi"Land lol
But seriously Australia isn't alone down that path
Angela Merkel remarked that the germans might have been a bit naive in their dealing with China
Also good job for pointing out those wolf warrior rhetoric are actually for domestic audience
New "Xi" Land
too funny
I work with quite a few Chinese-Australians. Kevin Rudd is kinda legendary for how good his Mandarin is.
China is really in a tough place. It's economy is quite fragile right now and is banking on the other countries like In Africa that it has been building infrastructure for to support them for global acceptance. Australia has high quality resources which is why it's more expensive and is in demand so were able to not be effected by the resource buying issue, but Australia's highly dependent on China for housing investment. With evergrande and other residential builders going under it may force them to sell up in Australia to secure finances back home. That would really do a number on Australia.
Militarily China clearly outclasses Australia, but Australia's strength is not in its military size but it's alliance's and having some of the best military strategists in the world (they are really well regarded).
So things can go either way (with china back sliding) but it isn't as clear cut that China can steamroll Australia. But at the same time if things get too bad that may force China to just say F it and try to go for Taiwan.
"That would really do a number on Australia."
Good. The major cities have become uninhabitable, it's only foreign investment keeping the bubble propped up. Once Chinese buyers stop buying in many will lose money on the following crash but the return to mean will create higher standards of living and more disposable income for new homeowners and tenants.
China couldn't care less about what Australia want to think, china will buy anything thay they need from Australia because who would they sell it to? India? Australia do Not have enough supply of cow p.
As for commodities like lobster or wine, that's not a necessities, Chinese people can live without it, at the same time china is building supply chain from other countries too.
Australia has shown itself to be an unreliable partner and most importantly a national security threat to china, hence it is a rational decision by china to move away from Australia starting from the things that china need the less to eventually reduce the dependence on Australian iron ore as well
@@americanidiotinchief259 funny you should say that because. Yes. India bought the majority of the coal.
As for China they secretly started using the Australian coal they were holding in the ports. They are also buying Australian coal for double the price through intermediaries.
I guess those blackouts aren't very popular.
@@alimfuzzy who is the intermediary? It's well published that after the ban on Australian coal china is buying more from russia, US, Mongolia and Indonesia, which means that unless the demand in china is skyrocketing suddenly this year, those purchase from those other countries are enough to substitute Australian coal
@@americanidiotinchief259 the intermediaries are the other countries. They onsell to China the Australian coal for 100% profit. It's been well documented.
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"Being an asshole is bad for diplomacy." Whoda guessed?