Great video and beautiful 997 Turbo. I have a 2009 997.1 Turbo with the tiptronic, not because I don't like a 6 speed MT (I have that in my C2 Cab) but because of the power of the Turbo. With my Kline exhaust mine is about 525Hp, the tip is is a great transmission for this car, you really need to keep both hands on the wheel and not having to work thru the gears is kind of refreshing at those high revs and speed. Enjoy your Turbo!
I can see what you mean by having full attention on the wheel at high revs. There’s A LOT to manage when the car is at WOT in the higher RPM range which is where I am coming from with my thoughts on the manual. Thanks for watching!
The 997.1 Turbo in 6 Speed is the greatest Turbo of all time. Mezger + 6 Speed is absolute perfection. I also feel that it’s the real successor (in styling) to the classic 993Turbo. Perfect size. Beautiful design. Modern classic that is under priced at the moment.
I testdrive both the manual and tiptronic 997.1 turbo. Im usually a manual driver but for this car i prevered the tiptronic more and thats the one i bought! It takes a little time to learn how the tt reacts, but for this power its the better choise, you can hear people say bla bla bla the manual is the one but if your not on the track monthly the tt is the one! Also its easyer to tune becouse the tt is much stronger. My tip, if you wanne buy one, dont let the internet tell you and try both!! Anyway its the last real 911 whith the Mezger engine and they will be desirable...( so get one now)
Yep. I sold early. But then again who could have predicted a pandemic, stimulus money, a worldwide migration of interests away from experiences and toward material goods, etc. 😂
I think that depends on the experience you’re seeking. Want analog, raw and connectedness to the machine? The air cooled cars are the best. Modern engineering and overwhelming power? 997 turbo. Thanks for watching!
The turbo is in the shop getting some lowering springs put on. The car also needed a small repair. The owner took the car out for a test drive. Told me it was “neck snapping quick.” 😂
I think you would have enjoyed the driving experience a lot more in the 996. It's the closest thing you can get to the classic 911 experience with a water cooled car, and the lights happen to look pretty good on the GT1 as it took the checkered flag at Le Mans.
I sold gen 1 and 2 turbos a few years ago and totally agree the Tip and PDK's much easier to get the full performance more of the time....but, manual ALL day long for me! 🤩
Do you regret selling? I am on the fence. I really want a backdate or an air cooled hot rod and just can’t justify keeping the turbo and grabbing one of those.
@@Rennthusiast "regret selling"?.....no, that was my job at the time for Porsche! Lol I should of made that clearer! 😉 The Turbos were awesome fun, but give me a big standard NA carrera all day long! 😊
Beautiful car! I miss mine (black 2008). Sold it to purchase my current 1997 993 4S with 34K miles. But no worries, I intend to drive the wheels off of it. Enjoy!
Great review, could the slow rev drop be due to emissions controls? I asked about this with a manual Golf R that I owned and was told it was due to the turbo still pushing fuel/air when you lift off the accelerator, so they keep the engine lit to burn the fuel or it overloads the catalytic converter. I don't know if this is true but all modern manuals I have driven have a slow rev drop compared to my older cars.
Nice video! Do you think you would have liked your 997 C4S over the 997 Turbo if it had a manual instead of the PDK? It’s pretty clear you don’t like the way the manual works with the Turbo’s extra power.
Guards Red in a 997, that's rear. Seen lots of blacks and Cobalt black.. nice car.. I have the non turbo 997.1 naturally aspirated 3.8 Ltr. .. couldn't afford the turbo a the time, budget wouldn't allow it.. but you cannot beat an air cooled Porsche.. experience. 😀 enjoy.
I have a 997.2 C4S with PDK and I'm completely in love with it. But my dream car is 997.2 Turbo S. I'd love a video comparing and contrasting your Turbo vs C4S experience. Some guys say the minor Turbo lag makes the C4S more fun, they like the exhaust on the C4S too. I've had several guys say I'd be disappointed in the Turbo. I've always wondered because The Turbo is a fair bit more money and I'd hate to have buyer's remorse
Mountain Rally Productions plus’s and minus’s with the turbo. Without question the lag is there and there’s no getting around it. The boost coming on is insane though. I do miss the exhaust note of a NA car when I’m in the turbo. Thanks for the content idea. I’ll add it to the list. Thanks also for watching.
The turbos make full boost around 3k rpm. If you are driving hard you will be above 3k rpm and rarely experience lag with the vtgs. And the exhaust is quiet when stock. But sounds fantastic with a 3" aftermarket setup
Great honest review. I have a 2009 with the factory aero kit that I’ve owned for 10 years now. I’ve put almost 30k miles on it in all conditions. Lowered and cambered but I do a lot of track events with it. Over revs, lol. Push it to the max and enjoy the heck out of it. It can take much more than you could ever give it on the street. Best car I’ve ever owned and I will never get rid of it. Thanks and keep up the good content.
Great choice, last of the Mezger engine! The 6 speed manual is definitely the way to go with a gen 1, however I’d go PDK with the gen 2 for the reason you were describing. Think about this, Porsche wasn’t even offering a manual in the 991 GT3! As for the Tip, I won’t even go there.
Yes, with all due respect to those who own a tip, I don’t get it. PDK is an interesting - and performing improving - experience but having a tip on a 911 seems to me to be a waste of a great car. Values reflect that, I think. Appreciate your watching and weighing in.
Keep the car for a while, really experience it. Then try a GT3 and scratch that itch, it's a completely different experience to both Turbo and aircooled. And it's all about the experiences, right? I'll do the reverse move when I've experienced the GT3 enough.
I see you sold this one, but I learned from my sportbikes a long, long time ago that driving one the way it was meant to be driven on the street is a futile attempt and becomes very boring. At least if you value having your driving license. So I get the air cooled stuff. Wring out a slower car to redline and not shatter the speed limit in something more viseral and raw.
@@Rennthusiast I cannot really say but I've seen this in other tuned cars, I have an 09 997.1 manual and it is like you say very quick to rev up (I kept hitting the limiter in the beginning) but it does not continue to rev up after I press down the clutch, it is probably a throttle pedal sensitivity thing on the tune. Maybe check this with other ppl using the same tune. I will go with Markskis tune.
Thanks for the quick response. I could probably live with the factory set up and may investigate how to remove the tune. I am not a big tuner guy so don’t have a lot of experience with it. Thanks again.
@@Rennthusiast Could also be that your gas pedal is a bit slow, how is it when you rev it on idle, does it tone down immediately after you let go off the throttle? The tune is a good thing, it makes the car as it should be from factory. But if you are not happy with the way it handles between geards then I'd consider removing it. I will have the option to go back to stock. I am running a Europipe stage 2 exhaust so I really want the power :)
Markus L great question and the car is in the shop. Needed a repair done to the turbo system and I’m also having a much needed mod done (grand reveal vid coming soon) while it’s in. Will test it when I get it back.
I did not. The turbo was a bucket list car but you aren’t the only viewer who has suggested I take a look at the GT3. I’m gonna look closer at it. Thanks for watching.
I can’t speak to it as I’ve never driven one. Sometimes I think about buying one but I have also heard too many owners say the way the power comes on makes them nervous. They are big money right now so would really have to think it through.
Dude goes from a fricken rare 997.2 C4S to a 997.1 Turbo, breaks the foglight on the Turbo then gets rid of the Turbo...! Absolute amature & doesn't deserve these cars!!!!
Hi Will, I also have a porsche 3.2 and a 997.2 GT3. You cannot compare both cars. The handling and howling of a GT3's naturally aspirated engine is quite different from the charm of an old air-cooled 3.2. That's why I like both cars. I would keep the original rims under your turbo and lower it slightly. I would also consider a sports exhaust. See www.europipe.be This Belgian company makes really beautiful exhausts for turbos by hand. Does your car have an aux connection? If not, I advise you to purchase a Bluetooth transmitter that connects to your tuner via your 12 volt connection. This solution with which you can stream costs almost nothing and works perfectly. Good that you bought a manual turbo. They retain their value better and driving is much more fun. Best regards!
Should have gone for the c4s in manual. It's got the perfect amount of power to make rowing fun while still pushing you back into your seat. pdk is a better transmission, but it's nowhere near as fun.
Agree. I got impatient when I was searching and compromised which I later regretted. It was too bad. GORGEOUS car. Had the car been manual it would have been a keeper. That said, I think I also prefer the C2(S) to an AWD in the NA cars. You need AWD in the turbo to get the power down. In the C4S it ended up making the front end feel slightly heavy and it was hard to get to the “almost out of control but not really” threshold that’s easier to attain in, for example, my 993.
@@Rennthusiast I bought my c4s specifically because I wanted that heavier front, that and the delicious rear on it. Still, I totally respect the fun of rwd. You should consider looking into a gt3. There's something to be said for that amazing NA engine.
I can’t deny at all just how stupendous the wide body rear is on the C4S. I am still thinking about what’s next. Part of my is thinking about a backdate. Will look into a GT3 though. Guy who I bought my 993 from - who I’m still in touch with regularly - rolled into one. He loves it, but I do think his is a GT3 RS.
@@Rennthusiast Gt3 and rs have the same engine the RS is just a bit more hard core with suspension, weight savings, and probably some other stuff. The RS is significantly more expensive as well.
First “Porsche” was a 1973 914 2.0. Have owned all types of Porsches. My favorite is a 1996 Carrera 4S which I currently own. Best handling, best pickup, best body style best driving, best clutch and the list goes on….. the Turbo sucks in comparison. Always a Porsche person. The German engineering cannot be beat. Oh and my Porsche has only 60 thousand miles!!! Never will sell it! Cindy Vengen Ireland
A super quick modern Turbo 911 vs. a much slower air cooled car? I own both. Which one do I prefer? Watch the video to see.
The 997 Turbo in guards red is stunning.
Great video and beautiful 997 Turbo. I have a 2009 997.1 Turbo with the tiptronic, not because I don't like a 6 speed MT (I have that in my C2 Cab) but because of the power of the Turbo. With my Kline exhaust mine is about 525Hp, the tip is is a great transmission for this car, you really need to keep both hands on the wheel and not having to work thru the gears is kind of refreshing at those high revs and speed. Enjoy your Turbo!
I can see what you mean by having full attention on the wheel at high revs. There’s A LOT to manage when the car is at WOT in the higher RPM range which is where I am coming from with my thoughts on the manual.
Thanks for watching!
Air cooled all the way bro. Love the vintage look and feel
The 997.1 Turbo in 6 Speed is the greatest Turbo of all time. Mezger + 6 Speed is absolute perfection. I also feel that it’s the real successor (in styling) to the classic 993Turbo. Perfect size. Beautiful design. Modern classic that is under priced at the moment.
Great car and I say definitely a keeper. I have a 2009 turbo coupe/6-spd and I hope to have it until I can no longer drive.
Good choice!
Cool channel. Waiting until I’m done in Japan 🇯🇵 & back in the states, then I start shopping. Porsches in Japan are obscenely expensive.
I testdrive both the manual and tiptronic 997.1 turbo.
Im usually a manual driver but for this car i prevered the tiptronic more and thats the one i bought!
It takes a little time to learn how the tt reacts, but for this power its the better choise, you can hear people say bla bla bla the manual is the one but if your not on the track monthly the tt is the one!
Also its easyer to tune becouse the tt is much stronger.
My tip, if you wanne buy one, dont let the internet tell you and try both!!
Anyway its the last real 911 whith the Mezger engine and they will be desirable...( so get one now)
Ray valk I can totally see where you’re coming from when you that the tip/PDK will let you get more out of the car. Thanks for watching.
Prices are up on the 997 Turbo
Yep. I sold early. But then again who could have predicted a pandemic, stimulus money, a worldwide migration of interests away from experiences and toward material goods, etc. 😂
I like them all. Period. Although... I have a Cayman. ;-).
I'm sorry, I prefer my air-cooled 965, But love the guards red on that
car.
H Lopes I love air cooled also. Check out this video. Top 5 Things I Love About My Air Cooled Porsche 911 th-cam.com/video/sSsPbL4lnuA/w-d-xo.html
The MEZGER engine is the most reliable engine ever created. There is not 1 thing better in an old Porsche, its a rust heap compared to this LEGEND
I think that depends on the experience you’re seeking. Want analog, raw and connectedness to the machine? The air cooled cars are the best. Modern engineering and overwhelming power? 997 turbo. Thanks for watching!
Great review, great car , I also have a 993 and get your preference.
That 997 Turbo is otherworldly in performance. Nothing can touch it for the price. The 984 will forever be gorgeous
The turbo is in the shop getting some lowering springs put on. The car also needed a small repair. The owner took the car out for a test drive. Told me it was “neck snapping quick.” 😂
I think you would have enjoyed the driving experience a lot more in the 996. It's the closest thing you can get to the classic 911 experience with a water cooled car, and the lights happen to look pretty good on the GT1 as it took the checkered flag at Le Mans.
I sold gen 1 and 2 turbos a few years ago and totally agree the Tip and PDK's much easier to get the full performance more of the time....but, manual ALL day long for me! 🤩
Do you regret selling? I am on the fence. I really want a backdate or an air cooled hot rod and just can’t justify keeping the turbo and grabbing one of those.
@@Rennthusiast "regret selling"?.....no, that was my job at the time for Porsche! Lol I should of made that clearer! 😉
The Turbos were awesome fun, but give me a big standard NA carrera all day long! 😊
Adrian Hurley ok, makes sense. Thanks for watching
Fantastic content, and now I'm subbed. Looking forward to more of this guards red beauty.
Thanks and welcome aboard 🙏🏽
Beautiful car! I miss mine (black 2008). Sold it to purchase my current 1997 993 4S with 34K miles. But no worries, I intend to drive the wheels off of it. Enjoy!
best 911 turbo, best car in the world!
Great review, could the slow rev drop be due to emissions controls? I asked about this with a manual Golf R that I owned and was told it was due to the turbo still pushing fuel/air when you lift off the accelerator, so they keep the engine lit to burn the fuel or it overloads the catalytic converter. I don't know if this is true but all modern manuals I have driven have a slow rev drop compared to my older cars.
Great question. I’m gonna ask my shop about this.
Nice video! Do you think you would have liked your 997 C4S over the 997 Turbo if it had a manual instead of the PDK? It’s pretty clear you don’t like the way the manual works with the Turbo’s extra power.
I do think I would have really enjoyed the manual C4S. Thanks for watching!
Guards Red in a 997, that's rear. Seen lots of blacks and Cobalt black.. nice car.. I have the non turbo 997.1 naturally aspirated 3.8 Ltr. .. couldn't afford the turbo a the time, budget wouldn't allow it.. but you cannot beat an air cooled Porsche.. experience. 😀 enjoy.
Nice 997 Turbo!!
I have a 997.2 C4S with PDK and I'm completely in love with it. But my dream car is 997.2 Turbo S. I'd love a video comparing and contrasting your Turbo vs C4S experience. Some guys say the minor Turbo lag makes the C4S more fun, they like the exhaust on the C4S too. I've had several guys say I'd be disappointed in the Turbo. I've always wondered because The Turbo is a fair bit more money and I'd hate to have buyer's remorse
Mountain Rally Productions plus’s and minus’s with the turbo. Without question the lag is there and there’s no getting around it. The boost coming on is insane though.
I do miss the exhaust note of a NA car when I’m in the turbo.
Thanks for the content idea. I’ll add it to the list. Thanks also for watching.
The turbos make full boost around 3k rpm. If you are driving hard you will be above 3k rpm and rarely experience lag with the vtgs. And the exhaust is quiet when stock. But sounds fantastic with a 3" aftermarket setup
Great honest review. I have a 2009 with the factory aero kit that I’ve owned for 10 years now. I’ve put almost 30k miles on it in all conditions. Lowered and cambered but I do a lot of track events with it. Over revs, lol. Push it to the max and enjoy the heck out of it. It can take much more than you could ever give it on the street. Best car I’ve ever owned and I will never get rid of it.
Thanks and keep up the good content.
Great choice, last of the Mezger engine! The 6 speed manual is definitely the way to go with a gen 1, however I’d go PDK with the gen 2 for the reason you were describing. Think about this, Porsche wasn’t even offering a manual in the 991 GT3! As for the Tip, I won’t even go there.
Yes, with all due respect to those who own a tip, I don’t get it. PDK is an interesting - and performing improving - experience but having a tip on a 911 seems to me to be a waste of a great car. Values reflect that, I think.
Appreciate your watching and weighing in.
Air cooled are nice but often times you want to punch it to feel the power and that's where the water cooled shines!
These cars are rocketships, was fun to shut down a GTR the other day :).
rt2000pilot so freaking fast.
Good job! Enjoyed it
Keep the car for a while, really experience it. Then try a GT3 and scratch that itch, it's a completely different experience to both Turbo and aircooled. And it's all about the experiences, right? I'll do the reverse move when I've experienced the GT3 enough.
Love the color
I see you sold this one, but I learned from my sportbikes a long, long time ago that driving one the way it was meant to be driven on the street is a futile attempt and becomes very boring. At least if you value having your driving license. So I get the air cooled stuff. Wring out a slower car to redline and not shatter the speed limit in something more viseral and raw.
That feeling when it revs after you depress the clutch is a tuning thing, it is not like this when stock.
Interesting. Do you think it’s harmful or just a characteristic you have to accept?
@@Rennthusiast I cannot really say but I've seen this in other tuned cars, I have an 09 997.1 manual and it is like you say very quick to rev up (I kept hitting the limiter in the beginning) but it does not continue to rev up after I press down the clutch, it is probably a throttle pedal sensitivity thing on the tune. Maybe check this with other ppl using the same tune. I will go with Markskis tune.
Thanks for the quick response.
I could probably live with the factory set up and may investigate how to remove the tune. I am not a big tuner guy so don’t have a lot of experience with it. Thanks again.
@@Rennthusiast Could also be that your gas pedal is a bit slow, how is it when you rev it on idle, does it tone down immediately after you let go off the throttle?
The tune is a good thing, it makes the car as it should be from factory. But if you are not happy with the way it handles between geards then I'd consider removing it. I will have the option to go back to stock. I am running a Europipe stage 2 exhaust so I really want the power :)
Markus L great question and the car is in the shop. Needed a repair done to the turbo system and I’m also having a much needed mod done (grand reveal vid coming soon) while it’s in. Will test it when I get it back.
It's like comparing a smartphone vs flip phone.
Good analogy
Beautiful cars!
Do you have a watch collection??? If so share a quick line up ... noticed the omega
it’s a Daytona... this man definitely has excellent tastes
I would like to see that watch collection too please
Hah, I have 28,500 miles on my 2017 Turbo S. Second owner. I put most of them on... lots of track time and drag runs... no regrets.
Yes, yes it is better by almost every measure. But you like what you like
Being that you prefer the more analog raw air cooled cars; when you purchased your Turbo, did you consider a 997.1 or 997.2 GT3?
I did not. The turbo was a bucket list car but you aren’t the only viewer who has suggested I take a look at the GT3. I’m gonna look closer at it.
Thanks for watching.
thank you for this veduo
so what your opinion about the 930 porsche turbo
I can’t speak to it as I’ve never driven one. Sometimes I think about buying one but I have also heard too many owners say the way the power comes on makes them nervous.
They are big money right now so would really have to think it through.
Dude goes from a fricken rare 997.2 C4S to a 997.1 Turbo, breaks the foglight on the Turbo then gets rid of the Turbo...! Absolute amature & doesn't deserve these cars!!!!
Haters gotta hate
Hi Will,
I also have a porsche 3.2 and a 997.2 GT3. You cannot compare both cars. The handling and howling of a GT3's naturally aspirated engine is quite different from the charm of an old air-cooled 3.2. That's why I like both cars.
I would keep the original rims under your turbo and lower it slightly. I would also consider a sports exhaust. See www.europipe.be This Belgian company makes really beautiful exhausts for turbos by hand.
Does your car have an aux connection? If not, I advise you to purchase a Bluetooth transmitter that connects to your tuner via your 12 volt connection. This solution with which you can stream costs almost nothing and works perfectly.
Good that you bought a manual turbo. They retain their value better and driving is much more fun.
Best regards!
Anyone know the name/brand of the wheels on the silver 997 @ 3:47 ? Thanks in advance!
that music in the background is so distracting. nice car!
Thanks for the feedback. Will keep in mind for the next videos. 👍🏼
Nice collection! Must be single... hahah
Haha thankfully she’s learned to live with it 😂
Nice channel by the way. Just checked it out briefly. I dig it.
@@Rennthusiast My wife is cool, and I have several cars. Not sure if she is “3 911 cool” kudos!!
Should have gone for the c4s in manual. It's got the perfect amount of power to make rowing fun while still pushing you back into your seat. pdk is a better transmission, but it's nowhere near as fun.
Agree. I got impatient when I was searching and compromised which I later regretted. It was too bad. GORGEOUS car.
Had the car been manual it would have been a keeper.
That said, I think I also prefer the C2(S) to an AWD in the NA cars. You need AWD in the turbo to get the power down. In the C4S it ended up making the front end feel slightly heavy and it was hard to get to the “almost out of control but not really” threshold that’s easier to attain in, for example, my 993.
@@Rennthusiast I bought my c4s specifically because I wanted that heavier front, that and the delicious rear on it. Still, I totally respect the fun of rwd. You should consider looking into a gt3. There's something to be said for that amazing NA engine.
I can’t deny at all just how stupendous the wide body rear is on the C4S.
I am still thinking about what’s next. Part of my is thinking about a backdate. Will look into a GT3 though. Guy who I bought my 993 from - who I’m still in touch with regularly - rolled into one. He loves it, but I do think his is a GT3 RS.
@@Rennthusiast Gt3 and rs have the same engine the RS is just a bit more hard core with suspension, weight savings, and probably some other stuff. The RS is significantly more expensive as well.
I am not a “turbo” guy. That said, your car (former car) is beautiful. (Except for the center stack)
I figured out I’m not either, which is why the 930 doesn’t even interest me.
I don’t like the way the power comes on
Naturally aspirated for life 🤘🏼
My father had one of these but with tiptronic. Garbage gearbox but the car ripped hard
My preference is an air cooled 930 :)
Greg Hames haha well played. Best of both worlds.
I love my 85 Carrera, but for me, the only drawback is the lousy ac.
I was fortunate. The previous owner of my 86 upgraded my system. $3500 or something like that I think and it works well now.
First “Porsche” was a 1973 914 2.0. Have owned all types of Porsches. My favorite is a 1996 Carrera 4S which I currently own. Best handling, best pickup, best body style best driving, best clutch and the list goes on….. the Turbo sucks in comparison. Always a Porsche person. The German engineering cannot be beat. Oh and my Porsche has only 60 thousand miles!!! Never will sell it! Cindy Vengen Ireland
Old touch screen is fugly. That you don’t see that is weird?
Not as nice as a .2 but not a deal breaker
Please put ppf, that guards red is the selling point of the car.
Should have mentioned in the video that it came with PPF on the front bumper, mirrors and halfway up the hood.
Your glasses are too big for your face.