SURPRISE ENDING! Nathaniel Segal on Penn & Teller: Fool Us Stuns with Number Trick
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- See Nathaniel Segal attempt to Fool the incredible Penn & Teller with an original math magic trick!
From Season 7 Episode 26 Teller's Wonderland on Penn & Teller: Fool Us
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"68, the number Allison chose FREELY" he said that too many times. Even my muggle eyes saw through him
I assume it was forced too so i counted the clicks after he demonstrates the turning mechanism, and it was at 42 when it was shown. And i counted 15 clicks but it lines up pretty well.
@@chaosryans It's not force, it's misdirection. 😏
tbf, a lot of magic is literally just lying to the audience's face about what you're doing lol
He set the number to xx89 then turned it upside down to show everyone; which is why he hid the numbers with his fingers.
@@Nzlaten Wouldn't it have to be set at 89XX. That way when he turns it over it's XX68
This was such an obvious force. During chat he set the counter to 89XX…then proceeded to increment the XX normally with Alison but then flipped the counter (he is holding it upside down when he is showing it to the audience) so the first two digits are to the right and upside down show as XX68, while he is obstructing the left side (the XX) with his finger -that was the part that Allison was incrementing.
I thought of that as soon as I seen his finger blocking the numbers. Checked the comments to see if anyone wrote this. Pretty good 👍
By the way, I have the vid on pause, so I don’t know if penn and teller got it yet! 👍
Hence Penn's code "...turned it on its head..."
got it. thanks. It's not so fair to have Alyson standing so far away, and the counter being so small in his palm.
couldn't be anything else than a force. There are formula's for making magic triangles (they work within a number range), but the bar code reveal -- that only works if the chosen number is 68. There was no other way but being a force. Clever routine though.
the most impressive thing is that he didn't delete everyone's comments
guy is humble
I was impressed until Nate turned over the binary code thingy to proper numbers.. The moment he did that it was clear the number 68 was forced..
Well, the magic square should have been obvious already. You can't do that with all potential numbers + I'd call it impossible to fill all fields properly in real time
The thing I’m wondering, is how did he get the 8 and the 9 in those places so quickly with only a couple clicks. And I know he can turn the knob but he got those numbers really quickly
@@sydneyskousen2030 When he was turning the knob, the hundreds and thousands were moving too. Wouldn't be surprised if that knob had a mechanism that would turn only the first two digits and stop at 89
That’s true because otherwise why wouldn’t he ask penn mad teller pick a random number
@@Menjelook1 you mean 'penn and teller'... 😁
2:18 He's holding the clicker upside down. That's really the number 89XX.. When he reset it, he stopped at 8888 and gave it a few clicks. As long as she said stop before 100 clicks, the number, when upside down,, is 68.
The rest is just playing with numbers..
Still fun to watch.
I believe this was the worst show to be honest. What's the point showing all these mathematics when you clearly can tell that it's a forced number. I rarely think so but this was boring !!!
Exactly... This is probably the first trick on fool us that I got from the first watch..
Yeah too obvious
I think he turned the reset dial to 8888... Then he clicked 12 times while he was talking so the number is 8900 + x clicks. Then he hides the first two numbers and shows us the inverted view of the clicker which reads 68.. once the force is performed, the rest is self explanatory.. but it’s a great trick.. loved his performance.. 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
It's not as complicated as you think lol
Brilliant explanation. 100% correct!
yep, the first time he shows the clicker, the button is on top. when he shows the selected number, it's on the bottom. well observed.
You're smart
The button is normally on the top, yep. They help with cell counting and are thumb activated. The flip was like...yeahhh. But a cool act nonetheless.
That clicker has a powerful mic!
LOL
Yep, they’re pretty loud. We use these in our lab for cell counts in body fluids.
I don't really like to see a trick that has an obvious (and awkward) force in the beginning, then a fixed scenario with a fixed outcome, it's just boring. When Maths is involved, usually magicians add something to complicate and hide the Maths part, but here, nothing, just plain sight. I'm sorry
Yeah… If he had given the counter to Alison to come up with a real random 2-digit number, and then been able to do the figures in his head, I would have been VERY impressed. The plexiglas flip board proves it was a force, rather than add any sense of magic or mystery.
@@___meph___4547 nah he said focus on the last two digits and had the first two digits at 8900... then he can click anything less than 100 times... he takes the clicker and "flips it on its head" then covers the first two digits, presenting what was 89 as "68". He thus doesnt need much precision other
@@justwannasharevideo1058 exactly. When he first shows the clicker, the black button is on top. After she tells him to stop, he covers the Second two and flips it over with the black button on the bottom.
Yep. This is why I love slight of hand. Even though there’s a clear explanation, that often times makes it even cooler.
@@___meph___4547 he starts with no 89xx , then when alyson say stop , he simply reverse and hide the xx by his fingers and showed 68 to us which is reverse of 89 , so simply its a force on alyson
The main trick might have been a bit easy to notice, especially with the slip of the tongue about the "first numbers" instead of "last numbers" as it should have been. But the rotation part was pretty neat and I am almost certain I have seen it in one or two escapes rooms. Like you, I am an avid player of those. At least I was before the pandemic made most of the shut down.
Very cool! Glad I could represent the escape room community. Would love any recommendations you have so I am ready when things open again :)
Idk how I feel about taking a math based trick that’s hinged on a gimmicky force onto Fool Us. The effect at the end was kinda cool, and the generic awkward banter was a little charming, this just feels like an act that would fit more on a America’s got talent type show rather than Fool Us
I agree with you up to the end. This act doesn't deserve to be on tv. At all.
Children's birthday party at best.
Once you’ve seen the magic square once, you really don’t want to see it again.
@@hoopyfrood4391 good point. I've rarely seen a trick with so little mystery. It's like the trick is also its own reveal. By the end you know how everything is done.
Penn and Teller were very nice in their comments because it's a little insulting to think a trick like this would fool them.
Yeah, this does not feel like magic at all, even if I didn't know how he did the trick I would still be unimpressed as this just feels like a math thing, like oh maybe he's just really good at math
How amazing it would have been if it was 42...
It would have been much more difficult for Alison to chose 59
Nice
Or if anyone else had clicked the clicker
Yeah you're right. 42 would have been a quirky number.
@@MrCatface There is a TH-cam video showing a magic square being composed after being given the number 42 :
th-cam.com/video/aQxCnmhqZko/w-d-xo.html
that force was too obvious...
Yeah, plus the final portion of the trick meant that a force HAD to be how it was done. Like I might have believed he was just good enough at math and had a special enough trick that he could do the number square, but as soon as it was revealed that he had predicted the 68, it was otherwise too good to not be a force.
@@baylichelsea1041 Too perfect
It was a great trick but the counter had a way of disabling the dial so it would just click, he had already spun the dial to 68. If you counted the clicks after he reset you would of figured out he came nowhere near 68. You will notice he covered two numbers on the dial. Both P&T both wrote notes as soon as that was revealed. The square they already knew so they just kicked back and watched from that point on.
@@IAM_Reedy he jsut holds it the wrong way, it was set to 89xx (xx was the clics when its right side)
agree, even I (and I have no idea about 90% of the Fool Us tricks) thought the moment he covers up the other two digits "right here's the trick". I didn't immediately notice the flip, though, but near the end of the routine it came together and it became obvious that's the deal.
With a different, less obvious force, this would be an absolutely amazing trick.
It’s a beautiful routine. I had the same reaction as Penn and Teller to the reveal at the end. The only problem I have with it is that it doesn’t feel like Alyson really chose the number. Even if I didn’t know how it was done, I would still feel like it was clearly a force.
in my opinion its was a little boring and on the nose
Notice the clicker reads 89?? With the clicker at the top, he begins clicking and Alison says stop, if you notice the clicker is upside down when shown to camera and his finger is covering the first 2 numbers, he is actually covering the last two numbers. What he is showing to Alison is the first two numbers upside down,
Clicker at top_ 89??
Clicker at bottom_ ??68
Penn's comment
"The idea of the clicker and finding a random number you took that and "TURNED IT ON ITS HEAD"
Clearly wrong. He has mentioned multiple times during the show the number was freely chosen and we all know that like politicians, magicians always tell the truth.
@@jandit3980 Usually magicians don't so directly lie. How often do you see a force where the magician keeps saying it was a free choice?
@@jamesreed5678 Swoooooooosh!
@@jandit3980 you are wrong man. the clicker is 89XX so no many how many times it will always be XX68 when flip. unless the audience let him click a hundred times
@@jandit3980 I'm amazed that people think you're serious! D'oh!
Not sure if you’ve tweaked your trick, but another thing you can do to make it less obvious is when you spin the transparency to reveal a match, show that if you had spun the transparency the other way, it reveals another set of numbers. So you can start by having an audience member say left or right without knowing why. Then force the number on them and then rotate it the direction they picked. But basically say “if you had said the other direction, it wouldn’t have worked.”
I think the last part should have just been omitted. It's still a well put together trick, but the ending makes it very, very obvious that he forced the counter.
The most impressive thing here is the stunning back-drop (I hope it went to a good home after the show) and the joy of still seeing Alyson in 2024.
I like the routines that impress Penn and Teller just as much, if not more than the ones that outright fool them.
She didn't choose 68, he did!
he starts with no 89xx , then when alyson say stop , he simply reverse and hide the xx by his fingers and showed 68 to us which is reverse of 89 , so simply its a force on alyson
The number 68 which you FREELY CHOSE! lol
Literally the second he introduced the clicker I went back and listened to see if she actually stopped on 68 clicks. If a normal person like me gets sussed out at that moment before the trick even starts, how do u expect to get Penn & Teller with it
Great job Nathaniel!!
At last! The fabled mathmagician.
A degree in applied mathematics and theatre. . . That is the most brilliant duo I've ever heard, and genuinely a great foundation for magic.
Clicker is flipped when showing to the audience. So instead of xx68, it is 89xx.
Yes so the clicking he did didnt affect the first two digit
He covered the first 2 numbers. He already had it set at 89. So really his counter is going 1189 to 2189 to 3189 to 4189 etc......flip it over and cover first 2 numbers you will always have 68
@@markmason571 But the counter was actually 68 if you listen to the click noises made after the clicker was hidden. So on that part it is very impressive to predict how long it would take for Allison to say stop though.
@@MateoFloresOfficial But the clicker WAS turned upside down just as most commenters have pointed out. It’s a way he was sure to get 68. The position of the button changes from top to bottom… it’s a dead giveaway. It HAD to be a force in order for the quarter turn flip to work.
Well done! I love this.
He flipped the counter over and covered the 2 numbers Allison chose. It was already on 89 and when flipped its 68.
Ahhh… I didn’t think of that. That’s why he covered it with his finger rather than a piece of tape, or having come up with a 2-digit clicker. It seemed awkward, the finger covering the first two digits.
I hope you never give up on magic, keep up the good work.
I wish I could compliment the trick but the beginning was obvious, the middle was old and the ending just gave away the number wasn't random.
the force is strong with this one
May the FORCE be with you. Hahaha
When I watched it for the first time, I wondered why two of the numbers on the clicker were covered, although it was told, the last two are needed. And that's the trick. Simple and clever. 😊
We were so close to perfection. So close to greatness.
I think it could have been cool to finish the drawing of the lines at the end so it looks like you're adapting it to the random number picked ("lets add lines to reach 68", boom magic square). Idk if the "fast math part" go well with the prediction part that give away the force. Indeed the only way the prediction works (not hidden not modified) is a force and even if it was very cool, it weakens the first part imo. I think doing only the 2nd effect with the FOOL US one you skipped would have been stronger. Random opinion and you prob though about it before, but the show was great.
I agree with you that the second part weakens the first part. Without the second part I could have believed that the 68 wasn't forced and he did the first part mentally. Which is difficult, but possible.
@@MikeWallaceDev but then that's just maths and not magic so it wouldn't be a trick at all
@@RealGaIaxy Magic is whatever the audience doesn't understand. There are many ways to create magic, and math is one of those ways. That's what the act was about : math magic. You don't think that P&T don't know what a "magic square" is, right? However, in this act he didn't even do math! He just remembered a predetermined square.
I have to say, the more I think about this act, the less I like it.
@@MikeWallaceDev I get what you're saying, and that might be true of some people, but I also think what Galaxy said holds true for a lot of people as well. Part of the appeal of magic for a lot of people is getting the feeling of being mystified and not just being impressed by something. The ability to do really fast math is definitely impressive in its own right, but its not the same as being baffled by something. Because while most people can't do fast math like that, they can at least concieve of that being a skill by some people who are very good at math. So you end up thinking "oh cool, he's really good at math" no "what?? How did he do that??". It leaves you with no questions at the end to think about and no feeling of "the impossible" just happened.
So I do think the end of his trick does make this a better magic trick overall for the a lot of viewers. And on that note, to the OP's point: I don't think that every person is going to sit there thinking "oh he obviously did a force there". There's a lot of people that have probably never even heard of that term because they're people that just watch magic for fun and don't look up a bunch of stuff about it online. I mean, maybe because of the nature of the show, a lot of people watching this specific show might be inclined to think like that. But at this guys regular gigs, he probably entertains a bunch of people with this trick, because they're not people that sit there and break tricks down in their mind via standard ways tricks are accomplished. They're not even aware of basic methods in magic. They're just people looking to be entertained.
Very nice
"Turn it around on it's head" - Penn not being subtle at all!
What a clever illusion!!
Wow congratulations 😍
Even i can do this trick even if imnot a magician.
Good job. This was cool.
Just to give context, Penn always use kind words to "attack" the "contestants". It's professional courtesy that extend to colleagues. He only use (playfully) harsh words to very strong technical magician, AKA those that clearly above words.
Penn had a very hard time to find kind words here. He claims "original math magic" in the description, oh dear :)).
4:39 I really like this bit. Though, since some lines were overlapping, I think there might be more than 68 lines. Still rather creative use of magic square, but the initial force is meh:p
This is great
Man he is a genius! Pretty cute too.😍
Fun little trick.
The magic would have been too tricky if that tally counter was given to penn or teller to handle the random number issue
But FAR more impressive.
This is the first trick on penn and teller I've worked out. I'm a mathematician myself - so I know that a 4x4 magic square can be created with any number. so the 68 is only needed for the 2nd half when comparing the numbers.
Now there are a lot of ways to force something you want - I believe there was a book "111 ways to force the outcome you want". sure the first 11 only work if you do them quickly - but still a good book.
No, it was a force.
I slowed down the movie by a factor 8 and started counting from 42 (when it is clearly seen in the picture). The amazing thing is that based on the sound the final count actually IS 68. Now that might be coincidence but it kind of adds to the trick!!
It's a magic square. There are lots of them actually, and there are ways to generate them. It's a cool math nerd trick for us math nerds. The "magic" in this trick was in getting the right magic square... by finding a way to ensure Allyson picked the right random number.
@@kma3647 he starts with no 89xx , then when alyson say stop , he simply reverse and hide the xx by his fingers and showed 68 to us which is reverse of 89 , so simply its a force on alyson
I've never agreed with the idea that knowing the trick spoils the magic. The effect of any magic trick has its own charm, even if you know how it's done.
What I like most, though, is the quarter turn. That would make for some great D&D handout puzzles.
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That 2nd half with the lines pretty much gives away where the "trick" actually happens. Those tell you that he knew what the number was going to be. And once you know that than the entire trick becomes pretty obvious. Not that most probably couldn't figure that out themselves. This looks more like a trick you would get in a beginner's magic kit.
That 68 square is kinda scary but beautiful too.
Lovely! I can't imagine you fooled anybody but it was such a well executed and entertaining performance and it's also quite impressive that you managed to remember all the numbers you had to write down.
He fooled me. To this very day it's far above my head how a guy with a math degree can come on TV and do nonsense like this.
@@TH-cam_Stole_My_Handle_Too 68 was his number from beginning ...the combination of numbers is just old maths so everything was prepared...not even the level of fool us to be fair.
@@spaceshido6124 seems the guy above you fooled you too...
bruh 1 away from perfection
i started taking cold showers every morning as it is suppose to wake you brain up a bit, every since I have done this, the magic on these shows have become so obvious. this is the 6 video i have watched and i have seen them all
"I'm going to put my math degree from Berkeley to use so that my parents aren't entirely disappointed I became a magician"
😘😂 So relatable
It's a nice magic square. I am sure that 68 was a force, but I haven't figured out how you did it. At the fundamental level, it fooled me! Well done!
He turned it upside down, the actual number was 98??, but he just showed ??86
he starts with no 89xx , then when alyson say stop , he simply reverse and hide the xx by his fingers and showed 68 to us which is reverse of 89 , so simply its a force on alyson
Nathaniel, sometimes less is more.
I would be much more impressed if I thoght it was really a random number and you came up with the 16 numbers in your head.
Having the second part with the whole suqare predicted made it clear the number was forced. Which in mymkind makes the trick lees cool
best of luck to you man for following your dreams. You are a hero!
Dude, I figured it out in less than 2 minutes and a half and I don't even do magic, of course Penn and Teller would
they figured it out in like 1 second lol
Your stage presence and patter is really good. I did enjoy the show and the creativity, and it's awesome you are creating your own spins on classics.
As others point out, when a trick is too good, there is clearly only one way to do it, and well... you're on TH-cam on a show called Fool Us, where people are going to attempt to figure it out.
the second time i've seen a seagull on the show! you didn't fool them but you absolutely fooled me!
Stuns? I was waiting for it to happen. I fell for your come on in the title.
I find myself focussing on an audience!!
Honestly doing the mental math would have been cooler, but since you were memorising the square anyway you could have taken say 15-20 from the 48 and spread it through the bottom row and applied it through the square to make it look a little less formulaic. You have 1-12 and then jump to 47 which if you're doing the math on the fly is understandable because you only need to substitute one set of numbers.
Had to force the number on the clicker somehow.
You are really great!!! Plus i love how humble these people all are!!!
Even I figured that one out before he finished.
0:14 sound effect reminiscent of Petscop 💁♀️
Only way to make this trick done is select 68 by force. 🤣 Good luck you are awesome mathematician. 🥳
he starts with no 89xx , then when alyson say stop , he simply reverse and hide the xx by his fingers and showed 68 to us which is reverse of 89 , so simply its a force on alyson
Very very very obvious force
May the force be with you! Great trick! Best part of the act, Nathaniel didn't wear a bow tie! :P Respect!
The nicer penn is, the less you fooled them.
Unfortunately there's no other way this could have been done than a force which makes it a trick P&T would never actually miss, especially when you cover the other two numbers. The quick math is definitely possible, but as soon as you turn the "prediction" over it just gives it away that the clicker had a force in it, which was already pointed out by others.
What a fun performer. you're great to watch on stage. I wish you'd do something more unique and original though! keep up the good work!
Bravissimo. Magicamente strepitoso.
It's so obvious holy shit what did he expect to get out of this 😂
most clikers have a reset to 0 , all he would need to do is rotate the positions for 'Zero' to show 68 and after clicking x number of times, he jsut resets it, which would force it to land on 68 everytime
he starts with no 89xx , then when alyson say stop , he simply reverse and hide the xx by his fingers and showed 68 to us which is reverse of 89 , so simply its a force on alyson
It was so obvious that it didn't even fool me.
OMG I love this trick..
I did not see the end coming..
Well done..
I did see this when I was a kid! it was done on stage many times by a man Named Reveen!
68 was forced.. He set the number to 8888 (using the knob on the side.. Ran a few clicks before allyson said, "Stop" which brought him to 89XX.. When he showed the number, his device was upside down.. The clicker was on the bottom which was originally on top.. 89XX became XX68.. He covered two digits and the show goes on..
This is a fun trick with good presentation. It's disappointing to see the overwhelmingly negative response in the comments, which repeatedly goes from "obvious trick" -> "this magician is bad or incompetent."
You would have had bonus points if you'd managed to work in a Parker Square gag.
This was shown in Vsauce2 Shorts
Pretty much a blatant force. nice style of the magic square though.
A youtube short just showed me how to put any number between 22 and 99 into that grid and then this video was recommended. Weird.
he starts with no 89xx , then when alyson say stop , he simply reverse and hide the xx by his fingers and showed 68 to us which is reverse of 89 , so simply its a force on alyson
Covering half of the number with finger is too obvious even for me
Did you just offer her private lessons? Not in front of the cameras sir. That's more off to the side like stage right territory. Lol. Ballzy though.
Dude, there are much more than 68 possible combinations that could be possibly turned into this magic square... I've also counted more than 70 marks
El truco está en el aparato para extraer un número.
This guy is probably awesome at soduku.
I HATE the magicians who say "Say stop when ever YOU want" and then immediately pressure the person to say stop when ever THEY want. I know they are supposed to trick people but when it's that obvious it's an insult to everyone's intelligence!
I was thinking the second board was a QR code that would of came up with the same total.
Well, that code wasn't very difficult to decipher...
A tally counter is the least random way to pick a number...... the force is palpable on this one. Just find another way to force that number, and the trick could be much better.
Very good mathematics. Its add up to 78 - " 68 " is " 🔟 " very good."
Obviously everyone figured out how the force was done. Covering half the numbers with your thumb made it too obvious. Even fiddling with it to show how you can “reset” the numbers looked awkward on camera.
Perhaps you can do a force picking cards and it wouldn’t be so obvious to non-magicians. Have someone (or two people) pick the 6 and then the 8.
Or… let it be a freely chosen number between 20 and 80, and learn how to create magic squares on the fly… there are tutorials online, and doesn’t look hard to do once you memorize the formula. It would be more impressive to those people that have not seen it done before. It’s more of a math trick than a magic trick, though. Why not try to come up with something more original? You were not the first person to do the magic square on Fool Us.
@@hoopyfrood4391 but then the 2nd part which actually ruined this trick as well , cant come in part
As simple a trick as it is, I decided to count clicks from when it was visible around 2 minute mark. Its at 42 and then there was about 15 or 16 clicks so its a very realistic outcome.
It wasn't at 42, it was at 8888, pushed it over into 89××, flipped it upside-down so it looked like ××68 with the unknown digits covered by his thumb.
It's a force even a clumsy person like me could do.
A nice opportunity to show off that math "trick" that anyone could do. It's all memorized. And 68 is the only number that will work.
Great job, I've seen a similar trick but the presentation was much better here