Sir, I agree with you about the extra homework. But I noticed two things about production companies. They don't stay out of fan spaces and they don't understand fan mindset. I rather watch something indie, made on a shoestring budget and shot on one location primarily. Like reservoir dogs. But the people who like franchises do so because of the familiarity. I loved the lethal weapon movies. And when the ending with the photos was shown, I felt a sense of nostalgia. It was like a family reunion. I knew Murtaugh. I knew Riggs. They were like family. That is exactly why franchises are not for everyone and should not be over budgeted. And interfering with fan spaces is dumb. Fans indulge in fanfiction. Don't read it and pilfer from their work. Supernatural did that and it showed. Leave fan spaces alone.
@Midnight Movie Talk with Erick, a strange case in which a movie franchise seem to revive itself is with Fast & Furious. If it hadn’t been for the tragic death of Paul Walker to bring renewed interest to the series, I think it would faded into obscurity.
@Midnight Movie Talk with Erick Weber, why does the Batman movie franchise, not counting Ben Affleck, get it right where many other DC superheroes have fallen flat?
People are really wanting to see something original, that why some of them are failing. They were good for a moment but sometimes they get old and you can tell when they stretching the story out🙂
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I’ve watched over 100 videos on this channel and your take resonates with me the most. Let the artists create and stay strong about their vision. We will never get out of this doldrums if we don’t....
The franchise you didn't mention was Rocky. Stallone completely dialed it back for Rocky Balboa and I remembered why I loved the character. That said, Kevin Feige has been conducting a master class on how to drive a franchise into the ground. I've been a Spidey fan since junior high. I loved X Men when it came out. I watched the 1st 2 Iron Man movies. I watched Guardians 1 and 2. I noticed that after the 1st movie I cared less about the characters. Jokes take the place of emotional connection and character development. And you're right, it's just too much damn work. There's so much content and you have to watch it all to understand any of it. I've got other shit to do than watch Disney+ and 20 movies just to see one new movie. Especially when I don't care about any of the characters.
Same, I started getting tired after IW (still liked it) and was extremely dissatisfied with Endgame and left. Honestly happy that I did after seeing all the stupid stuff that has been revealed online.
Top Gun: Maverick was so great how it showed restraint with the fan service. If Disney make that movie someone would have said “I feel the need for speed.” And nobody said it in the movie!!! I was amazed!
I used to work with a dude that’s a huge fan of the punisher. I told him about how the character had a new show out (at the time) and he should check it out. He was excited about it but then I remembered that the character was set up in the brilliant season 2 of Daredevil. So in order to watch the character he loves and to get the most enjoyment out of it he’d have to watch not one but two seasons of a show about ANOTHER character that he might not even be that interested in just to get to the one show he may or may not even like about the character he enjoys. Lol so he watched a little bit of the Punisher show and thought it was just ok, which I’m assuming is because he didn’t watch Daredevil. Like you said, your asking your audience to do homework.
But that's the point, now your audience has massive FOMO, and needs to watch all the movies in your cinematic universe. Of course it'll tire your audience out in the long run, but the mid term profit is gold.
They got the damn formula backwards... ASS BACKWARDS... The idea of giving audiences "homework" comes from Star Trek. People were SO in love with the series, that TV stations struggled when they tried to end it a couple times... The show was low budget sci-fi in the beginnings, and then it got canceled, and viewership plummeted... so they returned to the air... got some budget (friggin' surprise)... If you ever get the chance go back and watch a few of the original B&W seasons... They were DUMPSTER DIVING for parts and materials for props!!! BUT then Star Trek brought out movies and one after another, they were SMASHING hits... SO the rest of Hollyweird got the message, "Hey, we can combine TV shows with cinema, and it'll just EXPLODE in popularity!" Only, that's not how Roddenbury did it. He started with a rinky-dinky little low-budget TV show and MADE THE STORY... built the universe outward on messages LARGELY of hope. That's another reason to go back and watch original episodes and seasons. If you're not into the whole "bold bright future" ideal, it's fine... It takes MAYBE a half dozen (tops) in the B&W seasons to appreciate what they had going on, because you can see the chickenwire and cheesy Christmas tree lights that probably came out of a Dollar Store... Some of that sh*t's HILARIOUS when you know what to look for... or compare it to literally ANYTHING else broadcast on TV at the time. It wasn't that making the audience do homework to "get" the movie builds a franchise. It's that an audience's grown LOVE for iconic Characters they've laughed with, cried with, and discussed all to hell till they were blue in the face WILL put butts in seats when there are tickets and over-priced popcorn involved. THAT is the operative lesson. A TV-show is a fine way to cast a hook for the audience, but STAY TRUE to the show... You can get away with that, and if you do it well, it can even pay off... screw it up, and you'll instantly ruin everything. Originally, Star Trek didn't let the movies interfere with the TV Show, and then it did end, to be rebooted as "The Next Generation"... and that could co-exist alright with the remaining movies to be made, and they were CAREFUL... It got risky in the last one with Kirk & Picard sharing screen time... BUT they didn't force anyone to have to watch anything just to "get" the movie NOR did the movies become required watching to "get" the TV shows... NOW, Hollyweird thinks they can just assign you homework or turn their backs and blame you for being too lazy to get a good story. If it was a good story, it could stand on its OWN merit. Simple as that. Audiences don't mind working a little bit to "get it". They'll learn languages to build a relationship with Characters in a film... BUT they don't need or want homework assignments just to be invited into watch a movie. It falls apart as quickly as trying to take the tail and wag the dog with it. ;o)
You can see Erick Weber is one of the smartest people in terms of evaluating films that I know. "Less is more" is always the key, no matter which movie you think about.
I tried watching Agents of Shield and Loki and found them both to be dull and gave up. I stopped watched the movies after Endgame, in part, because I just don't understand what's happening anymore. Mostly because I'm bored of immortal people punching bad guys into submission
In the case of every franchise ive been into, when new creators dont honor the past, i lose my suspension of reality and get frustrated with messaging over story.
the character has literally regressed. every freaking Thor movie has been about him finding himself. at some point we would like to have seen an entire movie dedicated to the Thor who showed up at wakanda killed a thousand aliens 15 spaceships and demanded Thanos.
He hit the nail on the head! I skipped a few Marvel movies a few years ago and now if I try to watch something new (with the exception of Spider-Man) I am completely lost. They have these reveals that are supposed to excite you, but I just laugh when there's this fanfare for some reintroduction to an element that I don't recognize or remember. It feels like they expect you to treat their franchise like your religion. Just give us a good self-contained movie. Just look at The Batman.
Keep in mind that executives only understand profit margins and the MCU has been astonishingly profitable. More importantly, it's been astonishingly reliably profitable. The problem is that after almost a decade and a half people are just burning out. It's too much stuff to keep track of over too long a time. I kind of suspect this would happen after Endgame. That was the big 'payoff' that they'd been building up.
I prefer trilogies because franchises seem too much like cash cows. With trilogies, the storyteller knows the ending and works towards that. I also believe production companies need to stay out of fan spaces.
I think the biggest issue for the MCU is the same as what has happened for cap comics. Having all of these interconnected franchises sounds great on paper, and is undeniably tempting to our inner child . . . But it's also an exponential increase in complexity. Eventually, I think, it'll collapse under its own weight.
I agree with everything said about Marvel, but I still think the franchise that is most screwed is Doctor Who. The showrunners nuked the entire 60 year legacy of the show, with a big stupid grin on their faces, and nothing but hate for every single fan
Marvel, DC, Star Trek, even Star Wars could be fixed by new great works. In the case of Star Wars it would have to be very great indeed, but you could at least imagine it being possible in a theoretical sense. Whereas I cannot imagine what could save Doctor Who from the damage that has been willfully inflicted. It would take such a massive revision in time one could only achieve it with an actual functioning TARDIS
Personal opinion: It got a bit too “epic” especially with each season needing an arc. Too much Doctor/companion romance. I liked David Tenent and Matt Smith and Russell T Davies is coming back, so maybe some stuff will get fixed.
I'd say one thing he didn't touch on which is essential to why popular franchises fail and it's the fact they don't know when to give it up. Everyone loved Harry Potter and the franchise is still going on, but nobody cares. The interest in Starwars and MCU are declining as time goes on. And the same can be said for so many franchises. Don't go back to the Harry Potters and Lord of the Rings and Starwars time and time again. Find new franchises to start up for people to get interested in. Dune, Stranger Things, Arcane League of Legends, Squid Game, etc.
Why won't Hollywood make good, entertaining movies anymore? From Jaws to Star Wars to Indiana Jones and Nack To The Future, we saw great films that really filled you emotionally. Movies like Jurassic Park and Pulp Fiction were were proof that great stories can still be told through cinema.
Problem with Hollywood, you need to fulfilled Hollywood's checklist. Back in 70's, 80's. The checklist is 1) within budget 2) must have attractive woman and attractive men as hero and heroin 3) relatable to every person and gender 4) greenlighted script must be great Today Hollywood's checklist 1) 1/4 budget must go to marketing 2) must put minority characters 3) must have sequel 4) must have "strong woman as main character" 5) script must be written by woman/man who are activist in some sort of community 6) if everything failed, blame fans.
What you said at the end there is absolutely how I felt about Hot Fuzz. The murder scenes, the language, and the humor could’ve have easily been changed to make it rated PG-13 or even PG instead of R.
I think he's right. I've got a rough cut at the moment which is a 2 hr bloated mess, I felt maybe I needed to add more to help it but probably better off cutting and trimming it down.
Same reason why a rock band's first album is the best; lightning in a bottle. It's almost impossible to recapture the brilliance of a single, isolated idea. If money is the motivator for a sequel, then that takes precedence over the original's sole priority to be a creative statement first and foremost. With that said, Multiverse of Madness absolutely shames the first Doctor Strange and I genuinely have no idea how people can say they prefer the first, because as a story it's about as barebones as the first Thor, which people tend to malign. Curious, indeed.
The reason is simple: barebones as it is, it's a movie about Doctor Strange while the "sequel" is a vehicle to make Strange as irrelevant as possible. He's shown up by America Chavez, one of the most offensively pandering and narcissistically written characters in recent history, and the entire movie is about Scarlet Witch and trying to make you feel bad for her. It's just another late Marvel bait-and-switch capitalizing on the popularity of one character to try pushing another as their replacement or, if not outright replacement, at least shifting the spotlight radically.
@@Vherstinae I think its funny that people attribute all these bad qualities to America Chaves when she's literally relegated to a side character with fewer lines than Strange. Yes, her character is embroiled in central plot, but she's not paid mind in the same way that Strange and Scarlet Witch are written. I feel like I live in a multiverse where I saw a totally different movie than you did. Also, Iron Man 3 pulled a bait and switch with its villain, and at the time, became one of the highest grossing comic book movies ever. And I hated Iron Man 3 for that.
OMG he is spot on about the Marvel movies and the homework in seeing episodes. I think we just need new plotlines in movies. There is too much Marvel out there it's hard to keep up. I also find that the dialogue and script not as refined anymore, very colloquial and sarcastic, but that's just me.
Marvel use to be so good. Now they are just releasing too much stuff, too unconnected and silly, too much activism, and too little quality. It's sad. Eternals, Love and Thunder, Dr. Strange 2, and pretty much all the T.V. shows were so bad.
Think Marvel could do better focusing on one thing at a time for a year, we already went a whole year without Marvel altogether so maybe one year that is start finish a tv show and then a year of 3 movies.
I think something that really hurt Marvel's universe is we got Endgame and then we got essentially nothing for almost 2 years because of Covid. And during that time, things got very very weird in terms of importance. They hit their high note and then walked off the stage and tens of thousands, if not more, did re-watches where they got really tied to these characters. And then Marvel started to write them off because they don't want to be superheroes for the rest of their lives. And they have to introduce these new characters and concepts to an audience, and guess what, most of their character introduction movies are mid and were from the beginning. Most Marvel movies kinda suck, but it's the interwoven story and the "how are they gonna pull this off" that keeps us interested half the time. It's like a sport now. A portion of NBA fans talk about GMs and Front Office employees more than they do the players and the games. You're seeing that with Marvel. It's absolutely fascinating what they've been able to do.
Disney fid better with agents of shield and the films. Granted Agents of shield also went downhill when Disney had that shift in intent (from good films to other goals).
Top Gun best Picture of 2022? Has he only watched a handful of movies this year? On the other hand I totally agree with the notion of "less is more". I don't get it why so many movies are rather 120+ than 90 minutes.
Couldn’t disagree w him more about the opening of uncut gems. The mining transition to the colonoscopy was an actual visual metaphor that served the story’s meaning and theme.
I completely disagree with him about Uncut Gems. That's a brilliant movie, and I didn't think Kevin Garnet was a problem. I thought he very well fit into the film. I mean, we're not talking about Kazaam here.
Temple of Doom, Sanjuro, European Vacation, Fletch Lives, Aliens. Guilty pleasures: Addams Family Values, Beastmaster 2 (Portal of Time), City Slickers 2
Has Erick not seen Everything Everywhere All At Once? I mean, he talks about how much he wants a self-contained, original, singular experience and then he calls Top Gun: Maverick - a sequel - the best of 2022?
How can anybody think Cumberbatch is a good actor? Am I living in a parallel reality, where I'm the only one who notices how terrible he actually is? Is this a case of "Emperor's new clothes" where everybody agrees that Cumberbatch can act, just because everybody else says so? Am I the only sane person in the room? Weird as hell...
He’s incorrect about marvel. What he’s saying only applies to films & entities that are considered original. Marvel has an entire fan base prior to any movie. The people watching for fun, are putting more into the success of the movies but the core fan base are here to visually see the comic storylines play out in live action. He also says, he would rather watch a one-&-done movie & marvel isn’t bringing those titles. They never have. BUT, I’d say this is sound advice for films & filmmakers that aren’t building for a franchise. Thank you again for great content, Film Courage!!
I have to disagree. You are not wrong about the comic fanbase but the marvel franchise is not build on the fanbase of the comics. Are they an important part? Probably but what marvel has done is to make the comic universe main stream and it is the casual action fan that makes the big money.
@@OlDirtySam really? I still remember back in phase 1 and 2, comic fans are the one supporting MCU that's why old movies got less profits than phase 3. With phase 3, casual audiences came and make marvel studios rich
100%. I can watch and enjoy a crap film that I know will be a crap film, but when I see a good film that could have been incredible it just breaks my heart and makes me angry at the filmmakers that they came sooo close but in the end couldn't bring it home.
100% agree with what he’s saying. It super annoying how Marvel have slowly gotten worse since endgame. I think since they joined with Disney there stuff has been watered down and super cheesy to appeal to a younger audience
the only thing i remember from multiverse of madness was the big CGI music notes attacking someone else (don't remember who lol). the last really good Marvel movie was spider man no way home
Is it me or the interview sounds a tad low on volume? 🤔 And yes, I concur that fan service ruins good standing franchises if they get themselves carried out by the fans' drive, specially the non-sensical one. That's why I'll never allow any future fans of my stories to tamper with what is already set on stone from the prologue of the first book to the epilogue of the last book.
No need to do so. Both are dead in the water. Or at least on life support. I can't imagine either going on for another decade, but Hollywood will try. Strange New Worlds has been a good try to freshen up Trek, but it only reminded folks of how perfect the original show was, even though the special effects were so primitive. The first group of actors, Shatner, Nimoy, and Kelley, were the key, and the relationship between them made all the rest work. The scripts were top-notch, and the supporting actors and guest stars made it a grand adventure. Hard to match that lucky combo of factors. But they're going to keep trying. As for Star Wars, how long can they keep beating that dead horse. Maybe Mandolorian can eek out a bit more time, but please, no more Solo or other lone character origin films. Let it rest in peace....
Why do popular franchises fail? Because the current set of writers/property holders decided they wanted to use their medium as a soapbox for politics and social justice and not for profits. They arbitrarily decided their fans were stereotypical white cis gendered men (See Star Trek) and decided they didn't want that demographic their fans anymore (Ever been to a Star Trek Convention? They hadn't obviously either= it's one of the most diverse places you will find). That is why all the new Star Treks are garbage. All the writers rooms in Hollywood are filled with EEOE hires and instead of talent, they decided skin color, and sexual preference is more important than having any idea about the subject matter, that is why you have Star Trek episodes that have no idea about the volumes of lore that have been written in the past, no official lore wrangler to edit what you write to keep it in line with past canon. All writing rooms are suffering this generation due to obvious a lack of talent, heck anyone can do better than what we have seen coming from Hollywood in the past 6 years. All movies are the same thing. All of them: Either the writing staff is using the movie to prop up politics, or social justice and its an already established franchise and they ruin the name of the shows (Star Trek/Star Wars) to promote agendas. Then theres the atrocious writing, some were done accidently, as you can see some actually tried, but then there are the ones that self sabotaged on purpose to attack the fictional fanbase that doesn't exist for that franchise (Star Trek/ Star Wars) Then there is the Movies and TV shows that have a diversity hire/EEOE that have never worked on a tv or movie before and have no idea how to film in dark places so you end up with a show like game of thrones final season where half the episodes were so dark no matter what setting you put your TV on, you cant see crap. Only black.
How many times do we have to hear this played out rhetoric? Give it a rest. "Woke" has no meaning. There's no wide scale political agenda being snuck into movies. Hollywood doesn't give a fuck about politics, they just want money. Their only agenda is green.
Poor Eric, he did get the Safdie Brothers were making GOOD TIME à la MEAN STREETS, but he did not get they did UNCUT GEMS à la KILLING OF A CHINESE BOOKIE
He is correct on all fronts less is more it's basically the past is repeating itself now. Back after John Carpenters Halloween came out everyone started to make horror. Movies it was non-stop horror movies for years. Then people grew tired of horror movies and wanted something new. Thats the past now the present Non-Stop for example superhero movies and shows Star Trek shows Star Wars same thing. Now people are getting tired of them and they want something new. These new companies and directors and things need to look to the Past because they are repeating the same mistakes. From the past and they will face the same consequences that is. People will stop watching them all together eventually. Thats what happened to the horror movies when they were made non-stop for years. People stopped caring about horror movies now people will stop caring about these movies and franchises. Now about mixing TV shows and movies and having it work. Back before Disney owned Marvel they did it in a way that worked. They had their movie universe then they made a TV show called the Agents of Shield. I believe or something like that that was its own separate thing but it would. Have little things from the movies mentioned in the show in a way that you didn't need to see the movies. Like agent Carlson would say something like oh I meant this race before. When he was talking about his past that being the first Avengers movie. Then it would about after effects of movies like for example. It would say so and so was killed in this event so it referenced the movies. But it was its own separate thing so Marvel used to know how to do it but then Disney took over.
To me, the best franchise in modern cinema is Toy Story. The first three movies work perfectly together, and when they announced the fourth one, I thought: "Oh, no, they're going to ruin it!" But no, those geniuses Lasseter and Stanton made it work... and in the time of Disney no less! Toy Story has the best of the first three movies and the best of modern animation. It's a masterpiece in itself and it rounds up the whole franchise. But the cherry on top is that it sets up a potential new franchise with Woody and Bo that could be what episodes 7, 8, and 9 failed miserably to do. Of course, Disney being Disney they would ruin that new franchise, so I'm fine with the Toy Story franchise as it is. It's perfect.
Disney could learn from anime and either make the movies or the shows OVAs. Would have done great for Star Wars if they had stories that didn't touch on the main arc.
I don't like watching propaganda, it prevents good stories, but what i cannot forgive is when they assassinate (figuratively or literally) beloved characters. You don't need to destroy the old to bring in the next generation of characters.
Why do you think they're putting Daredevil in everything? They know they're lost and they don't know what they're doing, so just put this beloved character in there and hope it remedies the problem.
Marvel proved the potential of crossover content with the Avengers. Now they’re doing it with everything they make, it’s all interweaved and forcing you to watch a show you’re not bothered about to watch the one you do. Dr Strange 2 MoM absolutely wouldn’t make sense if you never saw WV. I’m not sick of crossover, I’m just sick of terrible takes on shows that preach to me about my white male priviledge. Clearly these shows aren’t meant to entertain me as a viewer, they’re for someone else. Marvel won’t last if they alienate or reject the fan base that got them to where they are.
Sadly, Thor 4 is a stinker. I waited to stream it and I am glad I didn’t waste money on the theater. I stopped with about 25 minutes left. I may finish it eventually, but I have no real desire to, similar to Boba after. Still haven’t seen the finale
@@iamthe80s49 So says Joseph Campbell; but the issue here is not a LIVING myth. These characters are cardboard cutouts painted to resemble the external form of the DEAD myth. As a result, they have as much Archetype energy as a dried orange peel. By any definition, such invented characters have no redeeming value to guide us beyond the Three Act Structure or Save The Cat Beat Notes. I repeat my question, how can such artificial fantasies be considered "Organic."
Marvel doesn't have to appeal to the general audience. This is just something they've been doing because it's been raking in the most money. However, they have to start to consider their core fanbase at this point. These shows are NOT going to appeal to the general audience no matter how you slice it. The average joe isn't cheering for Matt's cameo in No Way Home or willing to watch a six hour show to keep up with the new movie. They just want some free air conditioning and time off from watching the kids. Marvel has to consider their core fans or there will come a time when no one is willing to watch their shit.
I think the stand out superhero sequel was Suicide Squad 2. I think it suffered being released during the lockdowns but it was easily the best recent sequel. In fact if you look Jason Gunns guardians of the galaxy.. the sequels got better with each release. Jason is a real loss to tge MCU….
It’s not the quantity of the Marvel content. It’s the quality. The TV shows have just been “meh.” What Marvel is doing could very well work. They just needs better writing. BTW, Dr Strange MOM wasn’t bad. It was enjoyable. But, not good. Just fun. And, I don’t think you have to follow the shows to keep up with the films. The films are done in such a way as the viewer can understand and enjoy them without seeing the TV shows. How he’s thinking about Marvel is typical Hollywood think. And, that kind of thinking is why no-one has been able to recreate what Marvel has been able to do.
@@boboboy8189 Ghostbusters Afterlife is boring because its far too slow. The reason why it's slow is because it's overstuffed with things that simply don't need to be there. The scene inside the familys rented apartment, the appearance of Janine, the scenes with the miniature stay puft marshmallow men, Phoebe's jokes, the Aztec death whistle, the appearance of Ivo Shandor, the characters Trevor and Lucky, the scenes in the diner, the prophetic dates, the mid and post credit scene. Cut all this stuff out and you have a film that's far more pacy and at least twenty minutes shorter, cutting it from around two hours to around an hour and forty, making the runtime fall more in line with with the first two films. You have a better movie. It's a prime example of including too much. You have to know where to cut.
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Sir, I agree with you about the extra homework. But I noticed two things about production companies. They don't stay out of fan spaces and they don't understand fan mindset. I rather watch something indie, made on a shoestring budget and shot on one location primarily. Like reservoir dogs. But the people who like franchises do so because of the familiarity. I loved the lethal weapon movies. And when the ending with the photos was shown, I felt a sense of nostalgia. It was like a family reunion. I knew Murtaugh. I knew Riggs. They were like family. That is exactly why franchises are not for everyone and should not be over budgeted. And interfering with fan spaces is dumb. Fans indulge in fanfiction. Don't read it and pilfer from their work. Supernatural did that and it showed. Leave fan spaces alone.
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@Midnight Movie Talk with Erick, a strange case in which a movie franchise seem to revive itself is with Fast & Furious. If it hadn’t been for the tragic death of Paul Walker to bring renewed interest to the series, I think it would faded into obscurity.
@Midnight Movie Talk with Erick Weber,
why does the Batman movie franchise, not counting Ben Affleck, get it right where many other DC superheroes have fallen flat?
“Less is more.” Words to live by!
Marvel writers follow this advice, but in context of effort
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People are really wanting to see something original, that why some of them are failing. They were good for a moment but sometimes they get old and you can tell when they stretching the story out🙂
💯💯. Indeed.
Agreed but the problem is people don’t support original ips, that’s why we get fan servicy bland trash all the time
Well said. People k is that the marvel universe is never going to end. It’s like a sitcom. You know it’s always going to be there .
Thats My problem with marvel comics and Dc its just reboot after Reboot
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I’ve watched over 100 videos on this channel and your take resonates with me the most. Let the artists create and stay strong about their vision. We will never get out of this doldrums if we don’t....
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Marvel is also, purposefully, for some reason, destroying and subverting their characters to try to push new characters.
The reasons are because renewal contracts are getting expensive and because they want more women.
The franchise you didn't mention was Rocky. Stallone completely dialed it back for Rocky Balboa and I remembered why I loved the character.
That said, Kevin Feige has been conducting a master class on how to drive a franchise into the ground. I've been a Spidey fan since junior high. I loved X Men when it came out. I watched the 1st 2 Iron Man movies. I watched Guardians 1 and 2. I noticed that after the 1st movie I cared less about the characters. Jokes take the place of emotional connection and character development. And you're right, it's just too much damn work. There's so much content and you have to watch it all to understand any of it. I've got other shit to do than watch Disney+ and 20 movies just to see one new movie. Especially when I don't care about any of the characters.
Same, I started getting tired after IW (still liked it) and was extremely dissatisfied with Endgame and left. Honestly happy that I did after seeing all the stupid stuff that has been revealed online.
Top Gun: Maverick was so great how it showed restraint with the fan service.
If Disney make that movie someone would have said “I feel the need for speed.”
And nobody said it in the movie!!! I was amazed!
I used to work with a dude that’s a huge fan of the punisher. I told him about how the character had a new show out (at the time) and he should check it out. He was excited about it but then I remembered that the character was set up in the brilliant season 2 of Daredevil. So in order to watch the character he loves and to get the most enjoyment out of it he’d have to watch not one but two seasons of a show about ANOTHER character that he might not even be that interested in just to get to the one show he may or may not even like about the character he enjoys. Lol so he watched a little bit of the Punisher show and thought it was just ok, which I’m assuming is because he didn’t watch Daredevil. Like you said, your asking your audience to do homework.
But that's the point, now your audience has massive FOMO, and needs to watch all the movies in your cinematic universe. Of course it'll tire your audience out in the long run, but the mid term profit is gold.
Punisher was great in places, but also had a lot of filler.
I understand your point but I can't feel sorry for your dude. Both Daredevil and Punisher were awesome shows.
side note: if the MCU really wanted to turn things around they would make a hard R rated Punisher movie with Bernthal as the lead.. just sayin
They got the damn formula backwards... ASS BACKWARDS...
The idea of giving audiences "homework" comes from Star Trek. People were SO in love with the series, that TV stations struggled when they tried to end it a couple times... The show was low budget sci-fi in the beginnings, and then it got canceled, and viewership plummeted... so they returned to the air... got some budget (friggin' surprise)... If you ever get the chance go back and watch a few of the original B&W seasons... They were DUMPSTER DIVING for parts and materials for props!!!
BUT then Star Trek brought out movies and one after another, they were SMASHING hits... SO the rest of Hollyweird got the message, "Hey, we can combine TV shows with cinema, and it'll just EXPLODE in popularity!"
Only, that's not how Roddenbury did it. He started with a rinky-dinky little low-budget TV show and MADE THE STORY... built the universe outward on messages LARGELY of hope. That's another reason to go back and watch original episodes and seasons. If you're not into the whole "bold bright future" ideal, it's fine... It takes MAYBE a half dozen (tops) in the B&W seasons to appreciate what they had going on, because you can see the chickenwire and cheesy Christmas tree lights that probably came out of a Dollar Store... Some of that sh*t's HILARIOUS when you know what to look for... or compare it to literally ANYTHING else broadcast on TV at the time.
It wasn't that making the audience do homework to "get" the movie builds a franchise. It's that an audience's grown LOVE for iconic Characters they've laughed with, cried with, and discussed all to hell till they were blue in the face WILL put butts in seats when there are tickets and over-priced popcorn involved. THAT is the operative lesson. A TV-show is a fine way to cast a hook for the audience, but STAY TRUE to the show... You can get away with that, and if you do it well, it can even pay off... screw it up, and you'll instantly ruin everything.
Originally, Star Trek didn't let the movies interfere with the TV Show, and then it did end, to be rebooted as "The Next Generation"... and that could co-exist alright with the remaining movies to be made, and they were CAREFUL... It got risky in the last one with Kirk & Picard sharing screen time... BUT they didn't force anyone to have to watch anything just to "get" the movie NOR did the movies become required watching to "get" the TV shows...
NOW, Hollyweird thinks they can just assign you homework or turn their backs and blame you for being too lazy to get a good story. If it was a good story, it could stand on its OWN merit. Simple as that. Audiences don't mind working a little bit to "get it". They'll learn languages to build a relationship with Characters in a film... BUT they don't need or want homework assignments just to be invited into watch a movie. It falls apart as quickly as trying to take the tail and wag the dog with it. ;o)
You can see Erick Weber is one of the smartest people in terms of evaluating films that I know.
"Less is more" is always the key, no matter which movie you think about.
I tried watching Agents of Shield and Loki and found them both to be dull and gave up. I stopped watched the movies after Endgame, in part, because I just don't understand what's happening anymore.
Mostly because I'm bored of immortal people punching bad guys into submission
In the case of every franchise ive been into, when new creators dont honor the past, i lose my suspension of reality and get frustrated with messaging over story.
Thor 4 was unfortunately really bad…
And Weber loved it. Thought it would hit a billion after his press screening.
the character has literally regressed.
every freaking Thor movie has been about him finding himself. at some point we would like to have seen an entire movie dedicated to the Thor who showed up at wakanda killed a thousand aliens 15 spaceships and demanded Thanos.
You had too high expectations after 3
well... we did see what happen when Taika goes wild lol
Still haven’t seen it 😂
He hit the nail on the head! I skipped a few Marvel movies a few years ago and now if I try to watch something new (with the exception of Spider-Man) I am completely lost. They have these reveals that are supposed to excite you, but I just laugh when there's this fanfare for some reintroduction to an element that I don't recognize or remember. It feels like they expect you to treat their franchise like your religion. Just give us a good self-contained movie. Just look at The Batman.
Also The Joker.
I hear you but "the batman" wasn't good they could have kept that to themselves. and NO one loves Batman more than me.
La Batman was no bueno.
@@moondawwg pero "The Car Chase"" ??
Keep in mind that executives only understand profit margins and the MCU has been astonishingly profitable. More importantly, it's been astonishingly reliably profitable.
The problem is that after almost a decade and a half people are just burning out. It's too much stuff to keep track of over too long a time. I kind of suspect this would happen after Endgame. That was the big 'payoff' that they'd been building up.
I prefer trilogies because franchises seem too much like cash cows. With trilogies, the storyteller knows the ending and works towards that. I also believe production companies need to stay out of fan spaces.
I want resident evil trilogy using RE1, RE2, RE3 games.
The Matrix Trilogy. What was that Resurrections crap?
I think the biggest issue for the MCU is the same as what has happened for cap comics. Having all of these interconnected franchises sounds great on paper, and is undeniably tempting to our inner child . . . But it's also an exponential increase in complexity. Eventually, I think, it'll collapse under its own weight.
I agree with everything said about Marvel, but I still think the franchise that is most screwed is Doctor Who. The showrunners nuked the entire 60 year legacy of the show, with a big stupid grin on their faces, and nothing but hate for every single fan
No lies detected.
Marvel, DC, Star Trek, even Star Wars could be fixed by new great works. In the case of Star Wars it would have to be very great indeed, but you could at least imagine it being possible in a theoretical sense. Whereas I cannot imagine what could save Doctor Who from the damage that has been willfully inflicted. It would take such a massive revision in time one could only achieve it with an actual functioning TARDIS
What happens to Dr Who? I haven’t watched it in years.
Personal opinion: It got a bit too “epic” especially with each season needing an arc. Too much Doctor/companion romance. I liked David Tenent and Matt Smith and Russell T Davies is coming back, so maybe some stuff will get fixed.
@@theNeathBoy the ORIGINAL Doctor is a plus-sized black woman. Not kidding. Search it up.
And here we are with a mediocre movie in Quantumania, there’s no passion or care put into the stories of these movies anymore.
Little did he know, Thor love and Thunder was, in fact, not a home run. -- Forgan Mreeman.
I'd say one thing he didn't touch on which is essential to why popular franchises fail and it's the fact they don't know when to give it up. Everyone loved Harry Potter and the franchise is still going on, but nobody cares. The interest in Starwars and MCU are declining as time goes on. And the same can be said for so many franchises. Don't go back to the Harry Potters and Lord of the Rings and Starwars time and time again. Find new franchises to start up for people to get interested in. Dune, Stranger Things, Arcane League of Legends, Squid Game, etc.
Stop thinking of them as franchises. Franchises are for burgers, not storytelling.
I'd like to know what Erik thinks of Love & Thunder.
Speaking of less is more, I concur. Let’s put the superhero movies to rest for awhile and try something else. 20 years of Marvel is enough.
Why won't Hollywood make good, entertaining movies anymore? From Jaws to Star Wars to Indiana Jones and Nack To The Future, we saw great films that really filled you emotionally. Movies like Jurassic Park and Pulp Fiction were were proof that great stories can still be told through cinema.
Problem with Hollywood, you need to fulfilled Hollywood's checklist.
Back in 70's, 80's. The checklist is
1) within budget
2) must have attractive woman and attractive men as hero and heroin
3) relatable to every person and gender
4) greenlighted script must be great
Today Hollywood's checklist
1) 1/4 budget must go to marketing
2) must put minority characters
3) must have sequel
4) must have "strong woman as main character"
5) script must be written by woman/man who are activist in some sort of community
6) if everything failed, blame fans.
Thank you Ms. Karen!! Can't wait to meet you one day and Thank you in person.
What you said at the end there is absolutely how I felt about Hot Fuzz. The murder scenes, the language, and the humor could’ve have easily been changed to make it rated PG-13 or even PG instead of R.
I think he's right. I've got a rough cut at the moment which is a 2 hr bloated mess, I felt maybe I needed to add more to help it but probably better off cutting and trimming it down.
Same reason why a rock band's first album is the best; lightning in a bottle. It's almost impossible to recapture the brilliance of a single, isolated idea. If money is the motivator for a sequel, then that takes precedence over the original's sole priority to be a creative statement first and foremost.
With that said, Multiverse of Madness absolutely shames the first Doctor Strange and I genuinely have no idea how people can say they prefer the first, because as a story it's about as barebones as the first Thor, which people tend to malign. Curious, indeed.
The reason is simple: barebones as it is, it's a movie about Doctor Strange while the "sequel" is a vehicle to make Strange as irrelevant as possible. He's shown up by America Chavez, one of the most offensively pandering and narcissistically written characters in recent history, and the entire movie is about Scarlet Witch and trying to make you feel bad for her. It's just another late Marvel bait-and-switch capitalizing on the popularity of one character to try pushing another as their replacement or, if not outright replacement, at least shifting the spotlight radically.
@@Vherstinae I think its funny that people attribute all these bad qualities to America Chaves when she's literally relegated to a side character with fewer lines than Strange. Yes, her character is embroiled in central plot, but she's not paid mind in the same way that Strange and Scarlet Witch are written. I feel like I live in a multiverse where I saw a totally different movie than you did.
Also, Iron Man 3 pulled a bait and switch with its villain, and at the time, became one of the highest grossing comic book movies ever. And I hated Iron Man 3 for that.
This dude is bang on!!
OMG he is spot on about the Marvel movies and the homework in seeing episodes. I think we just need new plotlines in movies. There is too much Marvel out there it's hard to keep up. I also find that the dialogue and script not as refined anymore, very colloquial and sarcastic, but that's just me.
Ghostbusters Afterlife was decent fan service. But the original characters making their appearance in the end made no sense.
This dude is always on point.
Marvel use to be so good. Now they are just releasing too much stuff, too unconnected and silly, too much activism, and too little quality. It's sad. Eternals, Love and Thunder, Dr. Strange 2, and pretty much all the T.V. shows were so bad.
Think Marvel could do better focusing on one thing at a time for a year, we already went a whole year without Marvel altogether so maybe one year that is start finish a tv show and then a year of 3 movies.
I think something that really hurt Marvel's universe is we got Endgame and then we got essentially nothing for almost 2 years because of Covid. And during that time, things got very very weird in terms of importance. They hit their high note and then walked off the stage and tens of thousands, if not more, did re-watches where they got really tied to these characters.
And then Marvel started to write them off because they don't want to be superheroes for the rest of their lives. And they have to introduce these new characters and concepts to an audience, and guess what, most of their character introduction movies are mid and were from the beginning.
Most Marvel movies kinda suck, but it's the interwoven story and the "how are they gonna pull this off" that keeps us interested half the time. It's like a sport now. A portion of NBA fans talk about GMs and Front Office employees more than they do the players and the games. You're seeing that with Marvel. It's absolutely fascinating what they've been able to do.
9:23 We got the Andrew redemption and closure that he deserved from his own movie.
Shrek 2 is the best sequel of all time.
rush hour 2 is the best sequel of all time
The Empire Strikes Back is the best sequel of all time
You just made an unending debate.Congratulations!
Return of the King
Disney fid better with agents of shield and the films. Granted Agents of shield also went downhill when Disney had that shift in intent (from good films to other goals).
To boil down what he's saying about the extended universes: it's become about making the audience serve the product, instead of vice versa.
Which franchise are you most passionate about right now?
I think the absence of responses so far says all that needs to be said. It’s just too much to ask to have adult films I guess
HOTD I think they are being very respectful to the source material
I'm passionate about franchises not being ruined anymore.
Mad Max
Top Gun best Picture of 2022?
Has he only watched a handful of movies this year?
On the other hand I totally agree with the notion of "less is more". I don't get it why so many movies are rather 120+ than 90 minutes.
I have feeling when possible paramount will try to make a paramount+ prequel series called TOP GUN: Goose, seeing how well TOP GUN MAV did....
Lastima que los grandes estudios no tengan está mentalidad 😟😟
Couldn’t disagree w him more about the opening of uncut gems. The mining transition to the colonoscopy was an actual visual metaphor that served the story’s meaning and theme.
I completely disagree with him about Uncut Gems. That's a brilliant movie, and I didn't think Kevin Garnet was a problem. I thought he very well fit into the film. I mean, we're not talking about Kazaam here.
This channel is amazing!
They usually fall apart because of one simple fact: The original is usually, mostly the best.
Jaw's for me fits that description
What are your favorite sequels?
Honestly? Top Gun Maverick
X2: X-Men United.
Temple of Doom, Sanjuro, European Vacation, Fletch Lives, Aliens. Guilty pleasures: Addams Family Values, Beastmaster 2 (Portal of Time), City Slickers 2
Empire Strikes Back
Has Erick not seen Everything Everywhere All At Once? I mean, he talks about how much he wants a self-contained, original, singular experience and then he calls Top Gun: Maverick - a sequel - the best of 2022?
I swear. Everything everywhere is the best movie this year. If the movie doesn't win an Oscar this year then I'll officially be done with the Oscars
EEAAO is a 2021 film, I think.
@@sevenobinna3883 EEAAO won't win. Not the award like oscar
How can anybody think Cumberbatch is a good actor? Am I living in a parallel reality, where I'm the only one who notices how terrible he actually is? Is this a case of "Emperor's new clothes" where everybody agrees that Cumberbatch can act, just because everybody else says so? Am I the only sane person in the room? Weird as hell...
I dont agree with his points on: good time vs uncut gems, but I liked both movies for different reasons
Less is always more. Except when it's MONEY. Then less is less and more is more.
Except when you're spending it.
I love that Erick said “mid” - even though it was about a film I enjoyed a lot. 😭 But I agree with him overall.
He’s incorrect about marvel. What he’s saying only applies to films & entities that are considered original. Marvel has an entire fan base prior to any movie. The people watching for fun, are putting more into the success of the movies but the core fan base are here to visually see the comic storylines play out in live action. He also says, he would rather watch a one-&-done movie & marvel isn’t bringing those titles. They never have.
BUT, I’d say this is sound advice for films & filmmakers that aren’t building for a franchise. Thank you again for great content, Film Courage!!
But he praised spiderman movie
I have to disagree. You are not wrong about the comic fanbase but the marvel franchise is not build on the fanbase of the comics. Are they an important part? Probably but what marvel has done is to make the comic universe main stream and it is the casual action fan that makes the big money.
@@OlDirtySam really? I still remember back in phase 1 and 2, comic fans are the one supporting MCU that's why old movies got less profits than phase 3. With phase 3, casual audiences came and make marvel studios rich
100%. I can watch and enjoy a crap film that I know will be a crap film, but when I see a good film that could have been incredible it just breaks my heart and makes me angry at the filmmakers that they came sooo close but in the end couldn't bring it home.
100% agree with what he’s saying. It super annoying how Marvel have slowly gotten worse since endgame. I think since they joined with Disney there stuff has been watered down and super cheesy to appeal to a younger audience
the only thing i remember from multiverse of madness was the big CGI music notes attacking someone else (don't remember who lol). the last really good Marvel movie was spider man no way home
Aw, Christ! I was gonna watch GOOD TIME, but Mr.Weber here just spoiled the ending.
Thanks a lot.
and Erick is a Norwich City fan?
Is it me or the interview sounds a tad low on volume? 🤔 And yes, I concur that fan service ruins good standing franchises if they get themselves carried out by the fans' drive, specially the non-sensical one. That's why I'll never allow any future fans of my stories to tamper with what is already set on stone from the prologue of the first book to the epilogue of the last book.
Preach 🙌🏾
I really like his idea. But it's very difficult.
Let’s all pour one out for this guy’s hopes for Love and Thunder delivering.
Boy, oh boy, little did he know..
yup, I just can't be bothered with marvel, star wars, star trek, harry potter ,grrmartin
As they say about "franchise" films it's only the final one that didn't make money.
I like a lot of what he has to say, but can't help wondering what he thinks about epic-length classics like Seven Samurai :D
Great video
I love that he used the word "mid" LMAO
surprised he didnt even mention the Star Trek and Star Wars franchises
No need to do so. Both are dead in the water. Or at least on life support. I can't imagine either going on for another decade, but Hollywood will try. Strange New Worlds has been a good try to freshen up Trek, but it only reminded folks of how perfect the original show was, even though the special effects were so primitive. The first group of actors, Shatner, Nimoy, and Kelley, were the key, and the relationship between them made all the rest work. The scripts were top-notch, and the supporting actors and guest stars made it a grand adventure. Hard to match that lucky combo of factors. But they're going to keep trying.
As for Star Wars, how long can they keep beating that dead horse. Maybe Mandolorian can eek out a bit more time, but please, no more Solo or other lone character origin films. Let it rest in peace....
Why do popular franchises fail? Because the current set of writers/property holders decided they wanted to use their medium as a soapbox for politics and social justice and not for profits. They arbitrarily decided their fans were stereotypical white cis gendered men (See Star Trek) and decided they didn't want that demographic their fans anymore (Ever been to a Star Trek Convention? They hadn't obviously either= it's one of the most diverse places you will find). That is why all the new Star Treks are garbage. All the writers rooms in Hollywood are filled with EEOE hires and instead of talent, they decided skin color, and sexual preference is more important than having any idea about the subject matter, that is why you have Star Trek episodes that have no idea about the volumes of lore that have been written in the past, no official lore wrangler to edit what you write to keep it in line with past canon. All writing rooms are suffering this generation due to obvious a lack of talent, heck anyone can do better than what we have seen coming from Hollywood in the past 6 years. All movies are the same thing. All of them: Either the writing staff is using the movie to prop up politics, or social justice and its an already established franchise and they ruin the name of the shows (Star Trek/Star Wars) to promote agendas. Then theres the atrocious writing, some were done accidently, as you can see some actually tried, but then there are the ones that self sabotaged on purpose to attack the fictional fanbase that doesn't exist for that franchise (Star Trek/ Star Wars) Then there is the Movies and TV shows that have a diversity hire/EEOE that have never worked on a tv or movie before and have no idea how to film in dark places so you end up with a show like game of thrones final season where half the episodes were so dark no matter what setting you put your TV on, you cant see crap. Only black.
Oh Trumpers. Even though I agree with the speaker, the woke thing isn't the reason - they're just technically not good movies. Lol.
Wake up, Sci-fi-ESPECIALLY Star Trek has ALWAYS been what you call “woke”.
How many times do we have to hear this played out rhetoric? Give it a rest. "Woke" has no meaning. There's no wide scale political agenda being snuck into movies. Hollywood doesn't give a fuck about politics, they just want money. Their only agenda is green.
Poor Eric, he did get the Safdie Brothers were making GOOD TIME à la MEAN STREETS, but he did not get they did UNCUT GEMS à la KILLING OF A CHINESE BOOKIE
I agree, marvel has wayyyyy too much product!!! its exhausting!!
10:03 Say it louder please in case the people in the back covering their ears didn't hear you.
He is correct on all fronts less is more it's basically the past is repeating itself now. Back after John Carpenters Halloween came out everyone started to make horror. Movies it was non-stop horror movies for years. Then people grew tired of horror movies and wanted something new. Thats the past now the present Non-Stop for example superhero movies and shows Star Trek shows Star Wars same thing. Now people are getting tired of them and they want something new. These new companies and directors and things need to look to the Past because they are repeating the same mistakes. From the past and they will face the same consequences that is. People will stop watching them all together eventually. Thats what happened to the horror movies when they were made non-stop for years. People stopped caring about horror movies now people will stop caring about these movies and franchises.
Now about mixing TV shows and movies and having it work. Back before Disney owned Marvel they did it in a way that worked. They had their movie universe then they made a TV show called the Agents of Shield. I believe or something like that that was its own separate thing but it would. Have little things from the movies mentioned in the show in a way that you didn't need to see the movies. Like agent Carlson would say something like oh I meant this race before. When he was talking about his past that being the first Avengers movie. Then it would about after effects of movies like for example. It would say so and so was killed in this event so it referenced the movies. But it was its own separate thing so Marvel used to know how to do it but then Disney took over.
Once Disney Plus started with Marvel shows I knew it was a wrap. Forcing too many Marvel shows and movies too soon
To me, the best franchise in modern cinema is Toy Story. The first three movies work perfectly together, and when they announced the fourth one, I thought: "Oh, no, they're going to ruin it!" But no, those geniuses Lasseter and Stanton made it work... and in the time of Disney no less! Toy Story has the best of the first three movies and the best of modern animation. It's a masterpiece in itself and it rounds up the whole franchise. But the cherry on top is that it sets up a potential new franchise with Woody and Bo that could be what episodes 7, 8, and 9 failed miserably to do. Of course, Disney being Disney they would ruin that new franchise, so I'm fine with the Toy Story franchise as it is. It's perfect.
Disney could learn from anime and either make the movies or the shows OVAs. Would have done great for Star Wars if they had stories that didn't touch on the main arc.
Please talk about the DCEU next
3:18 Lol
Everything Everywhere All At Once was probably the best film I’ve seen in a long time
Couldn't finish the first episode of She Hulk, it was that bad..
In defense of Moon Knight: it is a legitimately good show, but it should have been its own thing and NOT shoved into the MCU.
I don't like watching propaganda, it prevents good stories, but what i cannot forgive is when they assassinate (figuratively or literally) beloved characters. You don't need to destroy the old to bring in the next generation of characters.
I totally disagree with him on Uncut Gems but I agree with basically everything else
Why do you think they're putting Daredevil in everything? They know they're lost and they don't know what they're doing, so just put this beloved character in there and hope it remedies the problem.
Marvel proved the potential of crossover content with the Avengers. Now they’re doing it with everything they make, it’s all interweaved and forcing you to watch a show you’re not bothered about to watch the one you do. Dr Strange 2 MoM absolutely wouldn’t make sense if you never saw WV.
I’m not sick of crossover, I’m just sick of terrible takes on shows that preach to me about my white male priviledge. Clearly these shows aren’t meant to entertain me as a viewer, they’re for someone else. Marvel won’t last if they alienate or reject the fan base that got them to where they are.
Screw these superhero movies. Seriously, it's ridiculous how much mediocre garbage they are.
Lightyear/Toy Story disappointment. Started off so great and now a complete failure.
Sadly, Thor 4 is a stinker. I waited to stream it and I am glad I didn’t waste money on the theater. I stopped with about 25 minutes left. I may finish it eventually, but I have no real desire to, similar to Boba after. Still haven’t seen the finale
The Spider-Man movies are a huge success also because Spider-Man is a teenager. Movie theaters need kids and teenagers to fill those seats.
I do not comprehend how reinventing dead mythological Characters into unrealistic mirages be called "organic?"
Because mythological characters are archetypical.
And heroic characters don't need to be realistic, they can be and often are wish fulfillment characters.
@@iamthe80s49 So says Joseph Campbell; but the issue here is not a LIVING myth. These characters are cardboard cutouts painted to resemble the external form of the DEAD myth. As a result, they have as much Archetype energy as a dried orange peel. By any definition, such invented characters have no redeeming value to guide us beyond the Three Act Structure or Save The Cat Beat Notes.
I repeat my question, how can such artificial fantasies be considered "Organic."
Marvel doesn't have to appeal to the general audience. This is just something they've been doing because it's been raking in the most money. However, they have to start to consider their core fanbase at this point. These shows are NOT going to appeal to the general audience no matter how you slice it. The average joe isn't cheering for Matt's cameo in No Way Home or willing to watch a six hour show to keep up with the new movie. They just want some free air conditioning and time off from watching the kids. Marvel has to consider their core fans or there will come a time when no one is willing to watch their shit.
Irrelivant to the subject, but I just realised my man is wearing a Norwich shirt. OTBC!
I think the stand out superhero sequel was Suicide Squad 2. I think it suffered being released during the lockdowns but it was easily the best recent sequel. In fact if you look Jason Gunns guardians of the galaxy.. the sequels got better with each release. Jason is a real loss to tge MCU….
"Let's hope that Taika went bat **** with it" Oh boy did he. In the worst way. Marvel really is just a shell of its former self.
Goofy to me to think that Dr. Strange cant lead his own movie
Uncut Gems needs to be cut so it will shine.
It’s not the quantity of the Marvel content. It’s the quality. The TV shows have just been “meh.” What Marvel is doing could very well work. They just needs better writing.
BTW, Dr Strange MOM wasn’t bad. It was enjoyable. But, not good. Just fun.
And, I don’t think you have to follow the shows to keep up with the films. The films are done in such a way as the viewer can understand and enjoy them without seeing the TV shows. How he’s thinking about Marvel is typical Hollywood think. And, that kind of thinking is why no-one has been able to recreate what Marvel has been able to do.
This is why, for me, Ghostbusters Afterlife didn't work. The characters didn't ring true and it was full of unnecessary references to the original.
It's pretty boring movie. I don't know what the hype is.
@@boboboy8189 Ghostbusters Afterlife is boring because its far too slow. The reason why it's slow is because it's overstuffed with things that simply don't need to be there. The scene inside the familys rented apartment, the appearance of Janine, the scenes with the miniature stay puft marshmallow men, Phoebe's jokes, the Aztec death whistle, the appearance of Ivo Shandor, the characters Trevor and Lucky, the scenes in the diner, the prophetic dates, the mid and post credit scene. Cut all this stuff out and you have a film that's far more pacy and at least twenty minutes shorter, cutting it from around two hours to around an hour and forty, making the runtime fall more in line with with the first two films. You have a better movie. It's a prime example of including too much. You have to know where to cut.
@@matthewlavagna6080 I hope someone make a fan edit.
@@boboboy8189 I'm doing one.
SW sequel trilogy. Inauthentic as hell.
Less is more, and nothing is everything.
she had the audacity to say Dr strange is the best movie of 2022 🤣