Doublelift Reacts to TSM's ex Coach's Twitlonger, confusion around evidence, what he needs to do
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- Giving my thoughts on Peter Zhang's situation
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"This aged well"
I have zero respect for Richard Lewis 👺
My GOAT
Ricardo Louis at it again W
TSM Also Known as "Took SwordArt's Money" is a North American League of Legends team with a shitty management with heartless homeless carless Owner Named Reginald.
It’s not even fun mocking TSM fans anymore
@@nonbirthingperson8087 But it is fun mocking TSM itself still
@@jacobmcgregor4359 Agreed. I suppose the only thing towards TSM fans is there have been people for years pointing out what a shitty person and owner Reggie is and TSM fans have always tripped over each other trying to be the first to defend him and attack anyone who pointed out his idiocy.
Karma ig. Even they get it now.
@@nonbirthingperson8087 We do have to let those people be willing and able to eat their words though and not give them massive amounts of shit for it. As a baseball fan, I stood by Pete Rose way longer than I should have. I know what it’s like to not want to believe something. Is what it is
@@nonbirthingperson8087 It's always fun to mock TSM fans.
Especially the ones who still think TSM is a good org.
"some random-ass writer for Dexerto" lol it's written by Richard Lewis. The dude has been around forever
Everything in TSM is truly a banger.
May the Bangers never cease, Amen.
10:10 Richard Lewis will NEVER collude with TSM
I love how he called Richard Lewis a random ass journalist
I look forward to the next spica subtweet about the situation
cumdumpster fire and get a decent team. 100t, EG?
He’s just a jungler. Leave him lol
Team Stole Mercedes
This is gold
Yeah because Richard Lewis definitely would release an article for TSM.
Everybody has a price
@@quack_assassin turns out he was right, again. What is his price?
While i understand where DL is coming from, Richard Lewis wrote this article. He has never been in the pocket of TSM or Riot so I think its safe to assume that all of this information is accurate and has been fact checked. I'm also fairly certain that Richard has never released something that he didn't 100% fact check.
Blind faith like that is meaningless
@@GarryFPV You mean blind faith in Richard Lewis? Because it isn't blind fait but trust on the track record of a Journalist who broke numerous story over many years
@@GarryFPV "so I think its safe to assume" and "fairly certain" = "blind" fuckin' "faith".
Tell me, who would you rather trust, some guy who wrote a Twitlonger, or a journalist who has proven himself to be a decent-to-good news source reporting on massive scandals in esports? For sure he will just do the equivalent of putting a buckshot into his cranium to his career to do what... make TSM look bad? To slander Peter Zhang? Not to mention within the article itself, there is a section discussing Richard/Dexerto's speaking "at length" with Peter Zhang, so make that as what you will.
With the situation as is, the higher-ups at TSM, former or current, won't be able to comment publicly, and that's assuming if they wanted to comment on this shit show, and if the players actually elaborated to length, they would put themselves into a less-than-desirable position, considering there is no way they're going to admit that their spot in TSM is not legitimate, and *any* mishap, be it translation error, or any slip up, would be damning for them and their career's longevity.
While I wouldn't take the reporting regarding Peter Zhang's termination as 100% factual truth, it is much more likely, and much, much more rational to believe Richard, and that is no "blind faith".
I have zero respect for Richard Lewis
@@Josiahhhhhhh full blown clown
Richard lewis isnt some no name journalist trying to randomly get his name out there with the article. RL has a huge network of sources, if he put them in the article, he has a reason for it.
Still u gotta Provide any Kind of evidence, Else u Ruin someones life based on a rumor. Or make it seem like it.
@@SFGShadowFlame You don't out your sources.
@@SFGShadowFlame That's not how journalism works.
@@Elena-gj6ow this is why journalism is a joke
@@SFGShadowFlame congrats you are about as smart as doublelift when it comes to journalism
For people always criticizing for flip flopping takes, Doublelift mainly spoke on his reasons not to loan Peter Zhang money. The actions Peter Zhang took warrant that suspicion on a personal level, something that people ALL will do in shady situations. But when a public news outlet comes out with testimonials from private sources rather than confirmed illegal actions, you're assassinating more than just his character, but his future within the e-sport industry. Should Doublelift have aired out his personal experiences with Peter before the story was fully released? I don't think that was a wise choice on his part, but at the end of the day, Doublelift is defending Peter Zhang's career, but holding him accountable for his reckless personal spending habits. The two videos are not mutually exclusive.
If they accuse doublelift of flip-flopping they are just unable to accept or comprehend the actual complexity.
What I don't understand is the narrative that Peter Zhang somehow even has any chance of an esports career after this, the implications that come with being in a position of power and asking your employees for money regardless of context should warrant a career ending. That's why the sudden flip flops and defense are immature, because doublelift himself does not understand the complexity.
imagine changing your mind after seeing new information that disputes what you previously knew
@@MrWizardjr9 The problem isn't changing takes when new information comes out, it's about forgetting what has already come out and accepting the bias in the new information as fact without analyzing.
You cannot protect that man's career. It doesn't take a business degree to realize that zhang is done for. The lack of education between all the people in the LCS really shows when 99% of them got their jobs due to nepotism instead of actual knowledge / experience
No org with any common sense would ever touch him again after he solicited "loans" from players on the current rosters (LCS and Academy). Which just leaves him plenty of dumb orgs to potentially get another job.
R Lewis is reporting what he’s told from sources within TSM and directly what was told to him by Peter. On the four horseman episode a few days ago, he specifically said that a lot of the blame falls onto TSM in this situation and it’s not entirely the fault of Peter. And his claims were corroborated by Thorin who heard similar claims by different sources. If you read only what Peter says in this, or only TSM’s statement, no shit you’re going to think that the other is omega satan that’s fully in the wrong.
Also DL being the one to comment on ethics and conflict of interest is fucking rich, out of all the people in the entire esports scene, he’s literally the one person that should in no capacity ever comment on COI, ESPECIALLY COI in TSM. He’s so close to putting the puzzle pieces together to finally realize that an active player dating the head of an org actively making roster decisions and signing DL’s extension is poetry.
In my humble opinion I think doublelift should watch the 4 horseman episode about this issue as it gives the writer's side . Considering he doesn't know who richard lewis is and how much he hates tsm with passion.
@@lostempyrean eh Jeanie buss and Phil Jackson dated while he was coaching the lakers. Life’s complicated and as long as stuff is public gotta let people live their lives
@@ZeNith5456 iirc on that same episode I believe Richard talked about communicating with DL about some of the main details surrounding Swordart's stolen vehicle money.
@@bryantjones2730 defending a COI with another high profile, even higher and more controversial COI is not an intelligent move my man
"somebody at TSM" *scrolls up revealing picture of Andy, with his sheepish expression staring like a deer in headlights* xDD prefect timing
Loving all the content doublelift!
Glad that you seem to be enjoying it as wel
It is theft, even if he pays them back. Grand theft in the case of swordart's car. Charges may not be pressed, but it is a criminal offense.
Remember guys, take your opinions on investigative journalism from someone who wouldn't know what a conflict of interests is if it bit him in the ass (because it has)
So you see no problems with the person deciding whether or not you get a job, your salary and future employment over other equally competent players. Also being the person you're sleeping with. Ya and he's the one who doesn't know Conflict of interests lol.
I don't want you to ever even have the nerve to complain when you get passed up on a promotion because the newcomer who sucks at his job is dating your boss's sister.
@@kavinh10 mate, go touch some grass, come back and read my comment again
@@kavinh10 What the hell is wrong with you, hes literally in agreement with you.
Even if it’s not theft it’s still fraud. Just because he pays them back doesn’t make it entirely legal when the initial loan is under false pretenses
The writer said that the "secretive source within tsm" was peter Zhang, he said that he asked for 1k out of the salary for "agency fee"
“I want them to have proof” yeah thats not always how journalism works as long as Richard was moral and confirmed it himself releasing proof would share his sources which isnt right to do either
We already know who his sources would logically have to be. The only way Richard could possibly confirm that Peter took agent fees from players is from the players. Otherwise all he's doing is trusting a source from the org that we know is prone to being liberal with the facts
@@genovaz Richard Lewis spoke directly to Peter Zhang and the guy incriminated himself, admitting to all sorts of shit. All the people in the comments doubting RL and his sources because DL can't comprehend how journalism works is laughable.
In this video: Doublelift not knowing how journalism works.
They can't just write who the source is and provide evidence... they'd be jeopardizing others' lives who chose to trust the journalist to get the truth out. They put their reputation on the line every time so they need to verify their sources and pick their wording very carefully. Falsely representing the situation to the extent you're implying means Peter Zhang gets an easy defamation lawsuit against Dexerto.
How does Peter just saying "I didn't do it" or a player saying "He didn't do it" serve as any more evidence than the article anyway? Can Doublelift really not imagine a situation where a player would say he didn't take a cut?
How about an easy lay-up: the player doesn't fking know. Since Peter was the financial intermediary for moving the player's salary/agent's fee from USD to yuan AND he was a translator for the player, he easily could've told the two parties different numbers? It doesn't even have to be every player or even a large sum of money. It only has to happen once for that to be technically true for the article and potentially for him to lose the trust to be able to continue with this role in TSM or other orgs.
I actually even agree with Doublelift that TSM is probably scapegoating Peter, and it's an angle for an easy out for their other bad PR and perceived incompetence. But the incomplete logic about how the article didn't cite receipts is just baffling.
If Dexerto publishes a wildly inaccurate statement, Peter Zhang has the right to sue the shit out of Dexerto and/or the source for defamation. Not fking defend himself on Twitlonger. So don't you worry about Peter Zhang's livelihood unjustly being ruined, Doublelift.
Journalist here: You often should show that accusations are unproven or are just alleged if you haven’t seen evidence. The article says Zang denies accusations of conflict of interest, but only cites anonymous sources without evidence in framing the narrative. If the accusations turn out to not be true, Lewis screwed up massively
in this video: Doublelift being right.
@@franciscorendon6955 Richard Lewis has a perfect track record in his reporting though
DL didn’t really mean he wanted the source to be outed when he said what person at TSM would make such would make a statement based on unconfirmed rumors (if the accusation is actually false). I’m sure DL actually meant, who would be so fucked up to make a life ruining accusation. Just like outing the sources would be life jeprodizing to those involved, letting a false accusation out is life jeprodizing to peter.
@@ninya1204 So follow your thoughts to the next conclusion. If these truly are false accusations without extensive verifying of sources, Peter Zhang could sue Dexerto out of literally millions of dollars for defamation. If even half of those statements are lies, any bum off the street could find a crappy lawyer to work pro-bono to rake in that easy fking money.
And they'd risk that for what? A text article that makes them a few thousand dollars of ad revenue at best?
You're talking from some weird whataboutism, moral-relativity angle where you can't recognize that career-ruining allegations are fking due when you do career-ruining actions.
Either that or Peter Zhang could cash in on this character assassination instead of releasing a twitlonger.
Doublelift's basically experiencing the initial discovery of some potential dangers if the press had 0 legal accountability... hundreds of years after society already figured that one out.
Why is common sense so fking uncommon in esports?
Just to quickly clarify: it is still theft if he pays them back after he's caught, and it's grand theft because it was $80,000 he had "borrowed without permission". (Though maybe it would technically be fraud? I don't know, I'm not a lawyer myself.) Of course it's only a problem for him if SwordArt presses charges, which it seems like he won't, but you can't hand-wave that fact just because he was accused of worse crimes. That being said, if the stuff about acting as agent to the players, giving himself signing bonuses, and doctoring the roster so that he could cash in on Chinese players is completely unfounded, then that's libel, which is also illegal, and if this article ruins his career prospects then he can sue Dexerto for a shitton of money.
At least, he can if he doesn't screw up his own case by hiding in China, a non-extradition country, which makes him look extremely guilty of all the actual crimes he's being investigated for (not the SwordArt thing). Which he might do even if he is completely innocent, because he likely has family there to support him--plus he seems like kind of an idiot when it comes to thinking things through and wouldn't consider how bad running away from his problems makes him look. (I mean, in his defense, if I was fired for breaking rules to save a sick family member, I would probably be tempted to go home to spend time with them than stay in America to get yelled at for made-up crimes as well.)
Legally, would hold no weight. It would be grandtheft if stole swordarts car. The problem is swordart drew up no contracts, or anything to specify the deal with the car. No timeline, no stipulations nothing. This is why you NEVER go through a friend or family member to handle these kinds of dealings. There are professionals out there for this, sure you pay a cut and sure you were supposed to trust your friend but in reality NEVER leave that to chance. This guy fucked up and did not handle the money well but if you REALLY think about it, swordart also fucked up.
Well it doesnt matter if he sue dexerto or not. The accusation is out there and its career-ending. Its like those false rape accusation case that was on the news. By the time the investigation concludes and even if he was found not guilty, his career/reputation has already been ruined. With today generation, people will lose interest within a month and people wouldn't care if he was guilty or not to bother following up on the story. Sure he can get alot of money from the lawsuit of Dexerto, TSM or whoever accused him, but at the end of the day, he will probably never work in lol esport again.
Yes, it does make him look bad by running away to china, but he did mention that he is having family issue and so if it was to be true, its understandable to why he would go back to china, cause why stay in America when you already got fired and your family needs you back in china.
Again, its a lot of he said this and they said that. So no one really knows the truth until probably months later when the investigation concludes, by that time everyone already moved on from the story.
He was living in LA through TSM, thats how all these orgs work. Where else is the guy supposed to go but back to China? Especially considering he was just fired so he clearly has no income and the whole part of the fiasco that appears true is that he has money problems. Kind of a shit take imo, there is nowhere for him to go except back to his family in China. Especially bc his career and image are so in the toilet right now he has no job prospects in the LCS.
It would be similar to theft by conversion...which is essentially having the right to do X with something but then doing Y with it. Similar to if you rent a car then sell said rented car. You had permission to legally have possession of the car but obviously you can't sell it because it's not yours. I would imagine there is a clear paper trail of convos about having PZ sell the car for SA and then send him said money not to keep the money and spend it on anything
@@Dylamos Exactly. Swordart just gave him a verbal agreement
I want to counter what DoubleLift said here, but only partially.
I do not think you fire some one for being bad with money, unless they are in a Fiduciary position within your organization.
What Zhang did was beyond that... he took a loan from a player on the Team. That's no longer being bad with money. If he defaults on a Bank Loan, so what. But now he's in the finances of a Player, and THAT is an issue.
So yes, he should have been fired for what he did... but what he did isn't as simple as 'being bad with money'.
Sword Art wasn't on the team at the time he sold the car for him.
Double is completely brainless. The dexerto article clearly outlines that one side is the claims from tsm and the other side is from Peter. The article doesn't even claim that either side is right or wrong, it literally just places the claims of both sides onto the record.
To my knowledge TSM doesn't claim anything except that they were made aware of a serious allegation that involve conflict of interest and unethical practice. The rest comes from that article. Whether or not someone within TSM leaked the details, does not represent the org position, at least not officially.
@@kingkongdingdong Bruh. The point is that Richard Lewis presented sources on both sides of the issue. TSM's official statement doesn't qualify as journalism or sourcing, its a PR presentation based on their firing of a coach.
It is also in Shenyis best interest to say that he didn't do it.
Lot of question: 1) why borrow from young kids and not Regi? 2) heathcare in China is that costly? 3) did TSM have no knowledge of Peter borrowing ? Were they ok with it?
Healthcare in china is ridiculously expensive. Especially if you are not high social class or in government position, getting the same level of healthcare in America, in China is extremely difficult. Money and rank greatly affect the care available to people
Richard thorin and monty all heard the “agent” rumour separately apparently. They did also then say it could be TSM trying to throw Peter under the bus to cover their bad split
So basically nothing
Look if we assume the grandmother story is legit and he was merely a middleman for Yursan's agent fees etc, im still going to point out that selling a high end car and not only hiding you managed the sale but also hiding youve spent it all is a lot worse then 'being bad with money'. Even if all the other stuff checks out youve still spent 80.000 dollar and consciously hid that from them which even if you did repay it by now still means you did initially steal it regardless of what you wish to call it its simply theft of a degree.
Maybe Doublelift worded lightly, but the substance remains the same: Peter Zhang was involved in questionable financial dealings and was rightly fired for it, but accusing him of double dealing the org for personal enrichment without evidence is morally repulsive.
@@plutone220696 Im not arguing that part and in no way defended the article. Similarly having someone place deep trust in you only to find out you not only hid the fact you did sell their property but also spent the money without their permission in my eyes is also morally repulsive is it not? I wasnt making any statements about the allegations as i do agree its a dangerous statement to make, my main point is that regardless of howmuch has been repayed at this time that a "loan" without permission or knowledge simply isnt a loan and at the bottomline it is theft and as you say a justified firing.
Hearing Doublelift trying to think about things that aren't playing ADC in LoL has something magical to it.
Only sad thing is when people see him as a source of information rather than entertainment.
Took Swordart's Mercedes
yeah the fact he had any connection to financial transactions to the players he coaches should be enough to be fired. like thats so gross.
damn, whats crazy is that double from just reading the first half of the twitlong he was able to take missing information and piece together to what he thinks is the bigger picture. Then after reading the summary at the end it was almost exactly like double had said. Mans a fucking G
Yeah, besides the fact that his take is completely brain dead and everything written in the article was proven correct.
lmao this aged really, really well. bravo.
10:44 lol that's not just "some random ass writer for Dexerto". It's Richard Lewis himself
so... some random ass writer.
Lol these people don’t get it. They don’t understand Richard Lewis track record and history. Only has 2 esports journalist of the year awards under his belt. Clown show.
@@sl1plil659 oh shut up, kid. the guy has been in journalism less than a decade. he has won no notable awards for his journalism. he has broken no major stories outside of a match fixing scandal 7 years ago. no hate on the guy but stop acting like he's some revered Pulitzer-prize winning journalist or like he was behind the Pandora Papers.
'only has 2 esports journalist of the year awards" from who? the same organization that gives out "streamer" awards. don't act like it has some major authority within journalism.
@@sonnyankau9239 I think Lewis is a complete asshole, but there's no journalist who has more cred in esports. That may not be a high bar, but "random ass" just means you don't know the difference.
@@sonnyankau9239 He doesn't need to have won a Pulitzer to be treated as someone reputable and professional.
The random ass writer for Dexerto is Richard Lewis by the way lol
Okay everybody let’s talk for a second here:
Peter Zhang obviously deserved to be fired and both DL and Peter Zhang agreed to this fact.
It is still an unfounded accusation that he fraudulently or maliciously took money from players salaries or contracts as an agent fee. This is the crux of DL emotional side of the argument. If there is no evidence this is true then it is a terrible addition to the Dextero article. Only making Peter Zhang look worse and turn tides against him more. If it is true, then there should be more evidence that either TSM or Dextero already know of and should share so that this coach can’t do similar things to any other org.
So the paths are:
untrue-> coach justly fired but unjustly accused
True-> coach justly fired and accused but not proven
DL was mostly talking about the possibility of the first scenario and how shit it would be to have your life ruined by a rumor.
You want documents that will probably be needed if this goes to court to be leaked out into the public? Just because you don't see evidence in front of you, it doesn't mean that it doesn't exist.
@@TheJtorres182 just because you’re told he is guilty doesn’t mean he is? This is a U.S. org and problem, if what they’re saying occurred in the U.S., and you’re saying he’s guilty until proven innocent? It’s the other way around, and on top of that think if you were the one in the situation. Do you believe it is alright to pile rumors onto someone just because there is truth that he has done something else fraudulently?
@@baileyduvall01You are on the money, sir. They are damaging his professional future and TSM is in big time trouble if his story checks out in court, should he decide to take legal action. At this point, and this is just my opinion: If he takes it to court, I am confident TSM is gonna loose that one, because the only reason he even would consider it is the fact that he is a 100% sure these are rumors and they got nothing on him.
Doublelift already went over this in the video: It seems like the players that are supposedly involved side with Zhang and this is a huge red flag. The backlash from this for TSM is gonna be real real bad.
The guy you responded to got the whole thing backwards. These documents, if in existance, should've been attached to the claim because that's what would prevent this whole thing from going to court. It's not slander if you got proof to show and only then you put yourself in a position to not be sued. WTF. The absence of proof is the only reason this whole shitshow even could land infront of a judge. People need to use their fucking brains.
@@baileyduvall01 but the fraudulent stuff he did has already been proven to be true. So his "innocent until proven guilty" status diminishes a lot in the eyes of the public so you gotta understand where people are coming from.
@@joaquinchua3348 Definitely not. It's not Fraudulent if you've paid the people back the money you borrowed from them. There is no notarized document stating that Peter had to pay these players back in a certain amount of time hence you cannot call it Fraudulent (because he didn't take the money and run.) Peter asking for money in a emergency from the players is bad, yes, but whether the statement about his Grandma needing money for surgery is true or not, he has returned most if not all of the money that he has borrowed from players. It's not like Peter has been caught "being a player agent" before so you cannot say that his "innocent until proven guilty" has been diminished because that issue and him borrowing money are two separate accusations.
It is the current year and the League of Legends fanbase still doesn't understand why anonymous sources exist.
The players aren’t going to readily admit to paying PZ. It’s unethical behavior on their part as well. So taking the players’ claims as evidence for PZ’s claims isn’t sound.
If TSM takes legal action agaisnt HIM. We will have the full picture
It's Richard Lewis bro, that guy has sources everywhere and often drops new information that turns out to be true.
DL was so close to getting there 😂
TSM legends: Everyday is a Banger
If it’s not true then he can sue Dextero for defamation of character. Then he can pay hospital bills if that is true.
Richard Lewis is a pretty good journalist. He broke the counterstrike ibuypower matchfixing scandal after all. However, for the life of me, I do not understand how anyone posturing as a "journalist" can write an article without asking ANY of the players if an allegation about an agent is true. It's not even asking for secretive information - if Peter really was acting as a player's agent it's not like the player loses any face by telling Richard when he asks. If Shenyi is tweeting about it within hours, clearly he would have provided Richard with a simple answer quickly had he simply asked. Outrageously poor reporting in an effort to get an article out first, and a real blow to Richard's legitimacy moving forward (not to mention what it might do to Peter's ability to ever be employed - as DL mentioned)
Well after Riot investigating and then banning Peter Zhang for life I think we can safely say that Richard Lewis was right once again. What a surprise...
So, was this "outrageously poor reporting" in hindsight, consider Riot's investigation came to the exact same conclusions?
This aged like milk..... If you still feel this way and still interested, I would recommend watching Richard Lewis's recent video on zhang's lifetime ban from LoL. He elaborates more on his sources and has does a reaction to this video. I'd never heard of him until a few days ago. RL has definitely gained my respect and follow.
very mature take and I appreciate your understanding of the situation. I like right away how you stuck with the facts and didn’t read his feelings part. I think his feelings are important but I agree with you that there’s evidence and information that needs to come first
If what he’s saying is true, then he would have a great libel suit
it is extremely hard to sue news sources for libel. It almost isn't worth it at the end of the day, since it is expensive. We should just wait and see about the investigation before anything is determined.
He can’t even pay for his grandmas surgery without stealing money, how would he play for lawyers
@@lostempyrean contingency fees
Regardless of the agent accusations, it is still wrong for a coach to ask a player for money. He is in a position of power, and him asking a player for a loan can jeopardize that relationship. It's a huge conflict of interest to ask for a loan there. Imagine your boss at McDonalds asks everyone for like a week's paycheck, it's super bad. Much less asking for up to $200k.
Most Coaches are not in positions of power over players in LCS especially not in Peter Zheng in tsm over SwordArt when this happened
Peter’s response: These claims that use my own statements and have actual sources are baseless because I say so!! Now let me say what actually happened while providing absolutely zero evidence!
You missed the part where Shenyi has refuted the claims against Peter Zheng acting as a double agent. If you're making career altering accusations it's your job to provide proof.
What? Are you sure you watched the video? I truly cannot comprehend how anyone could come to the conclusion you did, if you actually watched it. Fucking baffling.
What ever happened to innocent until proven guilty?
@@TSSPDarkStar the onus is on him to provide evidence and here’s why. There is proof he received money from players. There is proof he asked players for money. There is proof he sold swordarts car and kept the money. His claims about a grandma needing surgery? No proof. His claims as acting as an intermediary for Yursan and his agent? No proof. He was innocent until there was evidence that leads to a probable conclusion of conflict of interest and other sketchier legal issues. Then the onus is on him to provide evidence to prove himself innocent. Also he deserved to be fired just for asking players for money alone. It’s called a power dynamic cause he is a coach and has power over their careers. That’s why he should not be thought of as innocent.
@@wirelessbrain12 ah yes shenyi knows all. The player that joined this year knows about swordarts contract and Yursan’s contract from last year
any actual lawyers know if this would be libel by dexerto if the conflict of interest (not the swordart stuff) were false? seems like everything i looked up says the publisher has to have made the false allegations in a "willfully defamatory manner"
Things become a bit more difficult. I was involved from the other side at a newspaper once and the lawyer brief basically had a whole section of correction. I would need to look into the phrasing (and then still I could be wrong because different country) but if it is quite clear that those "rumors" are that or that there just allegations of sorts going around... then they are in the clear. If not... then that is libel I think.
@@Mirro18 No need to theorize. The paragraph starts "Sources familiar with the matter..."
You really asked for actual lawyers on a LoL vid lmao
This would never, ever qualify as libel. This is proper journalism based on multiple sources. Unless the sources all knowingly colluded to spread lies about Zhang, while tricking the outlet into thinking they were just sources with legitimate information, it's inconcievable. Dexerto are fine anyway, they have done everything by the book.
Doublelift you under estimate how much of a gangsta Swordart is. He told him to pay up his car money or he would ruin him and go to the press… Peter didn’t pay up in time so Swordart took car of business and now he is on the run.
Peter Zhang literally steals 80 thousand dollars from sword art and that isn't a big deal to doublelift what lol if sword art never says anything Peter Zhang probably never pays that back.
Also, double lift has no idea how investigative journalism works and iirc its stated he specifically did this with yursan but that he could've done it to any of the Chinese players they signed. doesn't prove shit, feels like doublelift hates tsm which is fair they're real easy to hate and because of his previous relationship with Peter Zhang wants to help him
try reading the original article before commenting.
@@sonnyankau9239 I think I'll do what I want. :)
Defamation in the form of libel
Shenyi's tweet has now been deleted lol
Regi needs someone to take the fall so he doesn’t have to sell his house lmao
He just needed to scam 1 person and that was regi.
I think they shld just retire the whole tsm league team and just not play a part in lcs anymore. The worst team owner around and i think andy shld just focus on other game instead of league of legends. Worst org period. Nothing can beat this. Sad to say Poor spica wasting his talent there.
It's been their worst year by far with he performance and drama, but shutting down their LoL division is an overreaction. Millions of money has been invested and earned through this. Give them a year or 2. If a team stays at the bottom for more than 4-5 splits I think there's a rule where that team is forced out of LCS I think?
@@Kitbats yeah agree that my comments of shutting down the league division might be overreacting but frankly speaking i can’t see them improving in the nxt 2 years or so.
Due to this incident, now many foreign player will think twice before joining tsm due to all the drama and on top of that if no foreign player mean they have to look for domestic talent but even so, not many ppl would want to join as well, and then we look into getting new rookies but it takes alot of time to develop them and they do not have time or even done it yet. And if they continue down this path aren’t they losing even more money?
Well all is just my personal opinion and could be wrong as well.
@@yongchuen yeah… you’re wrong. Nisqy has already come out and said he’d join tsm.
I’m a tsm fan so obviously bias’d. But there’s zero chance tsm stays at the bottom til they are forced out. In fact it’s more likely regi moves tsm to lpl before that happens.
@@jonlane6527 well thats great but lets hope that nisqy is enough to keep them afloat. Well as they say when you hit rock bottom, the only way is up. But that being said the roster decision from andy and the league team are quite bad, the roster could have been better but if they continue to make this kind of decision then even nisqy or any other player won’t be enough to save this league team from hitting rock bottom.
Yeah well they're valorant team isnt doing great either...
The fucked up thing from articles like that is that many people will have read that about Peter, believed it, and even now that it turns out there is no evidence/players denied wrong doing, many will not see that or will believe what the original article said. I only stumbled on this video in my recommended. The damage is often done before guilt or innocence is proven...
Lol
"journalist" use one word and says wild shit.
I think the biggest thing is the fact that DL was able to infer so much from reading everything prior to the apology, and then when he read the apology, it was little everything that DL speculated or theorised.
As it would turn out, DL's interpretation was COMPLETELY wrong, and Riot confirmed as much. Because Double is a moron and doesn't realize that, yes, there were a bunch of sources. And one player, who has an incentive not to say he paid to be on the team said he didn't pay Peter Zhang part of his contract to be on the team said so. Incredible.
I had the same sentiment. Maybe he sucks with money , but the other accusations seem pretty disparaging that are most likely unfounded and with no merit, just to get some traction in an article by before ng the first to "report"
Look up Richard Lewis and his track record. The guy isn't gonna do this shit just to report first. And also watch the four horsemen episode and enlighten yourself. The guy is a professional journalist and if you actually watched Peter talk about the topic you'll see him contradicting or EVEN throwing himself under the bus. He has clips commenting about the conflict of interest drama with Peter Zhang not realizing that it's the very same situation he had with Leena. It's actually a bit crazy how little people understand topics like this. 1 second of your time spent on googling will tell you how fair this was for Dlifts end.
He sucks with money?!? In what world is grand theft "sucking with money". What he did is legitimately illegal in the US. What's utterly shocking is someone proclaiming that someone who did Grand Theft in their profession is somehow supposed to be allowed back into said profession... You can't dispute that he took advantage of Swordart's trust in him and then didn't pay him back until SA said he'd spill the beans. Then somehow this cancer story came to be and he began asking everyone he knew with cash. If another fucking team hires this guy they deserve whatever karma that gets them.
Yeah I think he would look at his legal options. (If his side is the truth.)
Sue the sh*t out of TSM and Dexterto
@@nonbirthingperson8087 Respectfully. There's a reason he rushed back home to China.
@@jonlane6527 respectfully: no cause he doesn't have a work visa anymore so he's kicked out of the country
Why does Doublelift simultaneously automatically trust what Peter Zhang says as fact but calls what Dexerto puts in the article as "rumor"? do you want an investigative journalist to out their sources? Sorry Double that's not how journalism works.
Isn't the money part embezzlement tho?
LMAO now you are putting all the blame on TSM.
Reginald "leaked" this to Dextero
I wouldn’t put it past tsm to take advantage of a stupid mistake and make themselves look like they were sabotaged.
This is a shit take. At least IWD, LS and DGon will actually get to the truth eventually without getting emotionally involved like DL is doing right now just because of the blind hate he has for TSM, which is deserved but irrelevant in this case.
He didn’t make a mistake, he purposely committed a crime. Stealing Swordsrts money is enough to be barred forever so whether the other ones are also true is irrelevant to his firing.
Great video 💛
I’m way too lazy for drama he says as he covers all kinda of shitshow drama fest and does his own investigations and try’s to get into more drama lmao
I smell a dark cloud of regi behind this
If Peter Zhang can find a concrete way to prove TSM leaked false rumors about him he should sue 100%. Probably sue both TSM and Dexterto
Right.. Like Peter Zang has any money to sue. lol
@@AlexoftheLight Valid point…..but If he had an iron clad case he could do it. You can always find money to get things rolling if you’re sure to win.
Bigger drawback to him might be exposing the personal details which are sure to come out in a court battle. He might settle for an apology and just move on.
what happened to innocent until proven guilty? TSM needs to provide evidence for firing or he can sue for defamation
@@AlexoftheLight lawyers still take cases if their solid enough you can pay them after winning
Yeah, but seems like Mr Peter Zhang fled back to China like the non guilty, innocent man he is.
Pretty sure Chinese will never prosecute their own, so he's pretty safe
If peter needs money so bad he can just sue dextero/tsm for defamation at this point
Lol
I actually hard respect your stance on not ruining his career without evidence and pushing a narrative too far. So many people are quick to end people for no real reason much respect doublelift
In my opinion stealing tens of thousands of dollars and then after being threatened with making it pubic going and asking your employees for massive amounts of money is a definitive career ender.
would this article count as defamation?
Peter Zhang was taking 1k a month from yursan
Source?
@@uchihasasuke7436 it's mention in the Richard Lewis article
@@darkally5754 xd
@@darkally5754 ah right, Richard Lewis knows everything about Yursan's finances...
@@uchihasasuke7436 so I should listen to a random nobody or a person who is known for their investigative journalism that broke many scandals over their career. I rather not listen to the nobody.
Dexerto = Tabloids confirmed.
I really wanna know who RL's source was. He was so adamant about him being a herald of legitimate and fair reporting so this article, if proven false, is gonna be a huge fuck up in his part.
That's not how journalism works, you don't reveal your sources, but a journalists body of work and accuracy speaks for itself.
@@conormcfire Yeah but like in this case, if the source was TSM for example, then they're already making huge claims against Peter Zhang without any investigation being done yet.
@@ZXbolterZX it's Richard lewis, a man eSports awards journalist of the year and someone with a 100% accuracy in reporting.
If Doublelift comes out and says the article is wrong, why doesn't he reveal his source to prove otherwise? He's just using dumb double standards. The reason you don't reveal sources is to protect the individual.
NA guys... llol
No offense but Doublelift really doesn't know how journalism work and he should probably just stick to giving tips on how to become a NA tier adc.
It’s pretty shitty if TSM is trying to make Peter both the robber and the wheelman in this situation. I can buy he’s shitty with money but to say that he sabotaged the team for his own personal benefit is pretty fucked.
Very unbiased from DL, good shit
KEKW
Now I feel bad blaming Peter as well. I should have known. It's TSM. Why did I trust TSM?
@@mxthajsdpo5113 Well I saw 2 videos and my criticism was mostly towards TSM anyway.
#SavePeterZhang
so in conclusion stop asian hate
dex so unreliable lol. no proof and accuse blind. Yes coach did bad stuff, but don't accuse someone more stuff without proof. Shen yi even said that's not true.
This aged like milk....
TSM should honestly be kicked out of the league, but rito won't do it because they are too concerned about losing fans
Respect to DL for being very level headed and even handed.
Wow, imagine stealing someone's money and expect 0 consequences.
That's literally not what Doublelift is saying lol. He says if he got fired for just stealing the money is completely understandable and expected. But what's wrong is accusing him of taking a cut from his players paycut, and the players have came out and said they haven't taken their cut