More TSM Issues? Doublelift and the boys talk about Champions Queue and Lazy Players
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"There is a correlation with practicing and getting better." You know LCS is in a great place when something like this needs to be said out loud.
There's also a correlation between practicing too much and burnout. They are all trying to find the right balance
@@ziglaus Teams that are forcing their players to play only soloq are actively sabotaging their practice. And while some players may be putting in games on soloq, I really don't think that asking for 21 games of CQ per week will induce burnout... As DL says that's literally 3 games / 2 hours a day. Practice is a pro player's full time job, so either management is doing something really stupid, or these players are just not putting in the time and effort.
@@ziglaus burnout?? tell that to the Korean/Chinese
@@Chadabi somebody shoud. I don't think they know the concept
@@ziglaus bro its legit 3 games a day what burn out
The fact that even River has almost no CQ games makes me think DIG is triple blocking scrims or doing something that keeps the whole team busy. He was grinding that shit hard earlier.
This is the classic NA thing though. Bitch about solo queue quality, ask for a separate server, get that server and then don’t use it. People just used solo queue as an excuse to be the worst major region
NA will never improve because of that kind of mindset.
Isnt that the truth. Challenger solo queue is made up of a ton of pros, if they wanted it to be better quality, THEY have to make it better quality lol. NA pros trying to have a work life balance, while other regions pros LIVE to play league. THAT is the difference.
@@themasterseye china has like 10x the american player base on their worst server, you're overlooking a lot of factors here. also uzi is a shining example of that "live to play league" mentality really backfiring. imagine no injury uzi, all it would've cost is a couple solo-q games per day.
Fun fact: i said in a comment section before champions que gets released that NA does not need it because they will not play it and people tried to argue with me. I'm just taking my victory here
@@keexoboy5350 nobody said u should literally die practicing but just practice a noticeable amount. Ur job is to play a damn game, surely u can play more than 10 games a week when ur not scrimming.
At least out of any NA player, Jojopyun is actually trying to improve and ain't that lazy. Which makes me respect him more.
Hes young and hungry, half the lcs teams are old and just looking for money
Tf does "At least out of any NA player" mean
He's still hard to watch bro... Maybe grow and improve in Challenger?
@@samkeyman8140 Wtf are you talking about?
Now if only he will stop playing ryze in these games
Tyler1 truly built different. He plays like 20 games a day. NA pros should look up and aspire to have Tyler1's work ethics
i liked your comment cause i love t1, but no one should play as much as he does for their mentality
@@botnot4126 Yea but hearing how these pro players play like 2 hours a day just shows how lazy they are. Maybe should impose a 8-5 job, 8 hours working hours so these guys actually practice.What a joke when their salaries are so high.
@@mohammadazraazriazhar2170 these are SoloQ games BESIDES a full workday of scrims and work.
And Tyler1 doesn't have work ethic. He's an addict. His own words.
@@ziglaus How long do they scrim again per day? Sounds like 2-4 hours from this video
@@mohammadazraazriazhar2170 they're doing a full day of scrims, that would take up most of that 8-5 day.
The SoloQ games are played in the evenings, when someone working an 8-5 could relax for 6+ hours before bed.
They're being expected to play another 2-4 hours/day, ON TOP of something like 8 hours of scrims and other coordinated practice.
The players should be prepared to work that much, though I can personally sympathise with them, as even an 8-hour day takes over my life. I'm exhausted afterwards, I feel like I don't have time to juggle my relationship, friends, personal care, hobbies and good sleep.
Finally NA ran out of excuses. They are getting special treatment and are legit too lazy to even capitalise on it
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The easiest way to solve this is to just force the players to play a set amount of games a week on champions queue, like the LPL or LCK team does for Korea soloq. They have the players for example have to play 40 solo queue games a week, and the incentive is that they literally get fined if they don't hit the marker consistently. And if you look at doinb the dude gets inted on a daily basis because his famous and he still averaging 80 games a week just on his KR account.
This is why na will never beat asian the difference in workload itself is too big, no matter how talented they are
@@saintboy93 yeah this is just facts. the cultures are just different, and management on most NA teams are just way more lax when it comes to what their players are doing. we live in different worlds, but dont get me wrong. We can afford to do that on NA teams so like, it is what it is I guess
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When riot provides LCS with special treatment but they don't even use it lmao, seems more like a culture diff
Definitely. Born dogshit and raised dogshit lmao
Riot has manipulated the pro scene like comp rules and gameplay so much to try boost NA
@@jxswu3224 What are your examples just curious. I know sending 3 teams to worlds was always dumb and undeserved but what else
@@JasioniBubbaloni Yup, NA should be treated like the minor region it is, tbh.
@@tingwei1016 chill. Don’t bring your ethnocentrism/xenophobia to this. Most people aren’t like this. Most LCS players don’t really know what it takes to win because they’ve just played video games their whole life. NA is dogshit at league, yes, but they’re not model citizens when it comes to hard work.
“Champions queue being too try hard”? Luckily the LCS ain’t as serious 🤡. I used to feel bad about American players being a minority in their own region but if this is the common and an acceptable mentally I totally understand when the owners field full EU/KR teams.
Imagine King James or Jordan complaining that their in-house ball practice is too serious??????
champions que is too tryhard so they cant try things without getting flamed like yes its an obvious position
@@charohazard they can try those things out on their alt accounts in solo q. Not when you are try-Harding in champions queue. It’s suppose to reflect the main stage.
@@ROSPoetry1 ya tryharding is a pretty cringe term since youre a pro lol. However he might learn things by testing em which makes sense. I dont get how u cant play atleast 2-3 CQ games a day let alone a week
@@youngcitybandit if its during worktime, yeah, i don't understand it either. But if its something they have to do in private time, then yeah, i get how coming home from 8hours of league would make you not feel like playing more League
@@ziglaus i dont even think they play 8 hours of league. I think it is reasonable enough to do both.
In the end its not about shaming them but orgs should and will inevitably find people who put more time into their work.
When you're a competitior your job is to be better than other people. Thats quite literally it
I beleive Danny said on LS stream that he plays solo queue instead because he thinks that Champions Queue players are too focused on winning (obviously because of the $ incentive) and there's no room for innovation. Solo queue is better environment despite overall feeling that solo queue is low quality atm.
"Atm"? It's always been low quality.
isnt that the whole problem though? ofcourse its more chill to play solo queue and im sure coms can be a hassle but why are these players taking the easy way out when there is literally a gold mine of low ping quality games to practice with your opponents
@@TomkoChannel It’s about getting a different type of practice. The point of soloq for pros isn’t necessarily to win, it’s to improve. If you’re constantly trying to win, you won’t be able to limit test as much. CQ is really good for improving players’ skill floor, but not necessarily their skill ceiling.
I understand him wanting to "innovate" and try new things out, but he can't possibly be doing that all the time. At some point the better quality and competitiveness of Champions Queue has to be better overall for improving, right? Play soloq to try new things, but then he should also be playing champsq to be challenged against better players and improve. Seems like he's completely wasting the potential that ChampsQ brings.
@@MrDiegoc16 the point is it's worse at a high lvl now cuz a lot of pros just move over to CQ and don't maintain soloq accounts
I'm not postive, but from what I've heard on Facecheck, Fudge is probably doing 1v1's with Academy and LS. Some of these players are probably just lazy but I think Fudge has been trying to catch up and be a decent midlaner. 1v1's would probably be better for him than CQ also since his main weakness is lane and that can be hard to practice in an environment that is probably giga hostile since there is $$$ on the line.
1v1 agains the same people doesnt make you better, meanwhile CQ have a lot of scenario that can make you learn something in game, know your weakness and more, so people who not play CQ is just a straight dumb
@@justinbiber9381 That's not a fact, just your opinion and it's kinda wrong. You can learn a LOT from 1v1 especially if you are learning a new lane, which he is. Did you watch the video? They talk about how CQ might not be as good as SoloQ depending on the person and what they need to achieve, 1v1s is still practice and he is probably doing SoloQ too. The only bad practice, is no practice.
@@justinbiber9381 It's not like ur 1v1ing ur friend and trying to win. it's about playing a specific lane matchup over and over to understand your exact limits in the matchup, and you can learn certain matchups much faster with 1v1s rather than just playing CQ.
@@justinbiber9381 you don't know what makes him better lol.
@@Shingeki__ oh right i forgot the have scrim, but still, in a week your not even play one game queue? What type of thing you want to achive? A good stat lane? To get trade to another team because you good at lane? Nah broo, lol its 5v5 game
Jesus, that TSM story is just every incompetent manager ever trying to blindly copy what someone successful does without any understanding of why the one they are trying to copy does what they do.
And it's just completely unacceptable to me that especially the lower teams in the League play so few games in Champions and Solo queue. If you can't muster up the motivation to take advantage of yet another measure Riot has tried to improve the quality of the LCS as a region then you should be fired and your team should be fined for sandbagging which makes the rest of the franchised league worse off.
LITERALLY talent suppression machine. my god man hahahahha.
I love the fact that the diehard Tsm fans are demanding sources for these claims while accepting the claims from the article. Banger Org for entertainment and their ride or die fanbase
Simply put, there is no fire under most player's ass to do anything more than the minimum.
Why practice a ton extra when you're likely never going to get onto a top team and go to worlds? May as well stay just good enough to stay on a bottom 5 team and collect a paycheck.
Regi the kinda dud to put on his resume,
CEO of TSM 2022,
Admiral-General-Supreme-Leader-Alpha-SIGMA-Omega-Head-Coach of TSM LCS 2022.
And then his S2 stats playing as Mid lane.
Lmfao
You mad? Not sticking up for the guy but he must be doing something right if TSM as an org made it this big, just saying. It is a business and business is good even if the LCS team suffers.
@@flamehaze5573 Businesses can be good in spite of bad CEOs, it's safe to say some massively smart decisions were made mixed in with luck. You look back to early S1/2 TSM, the tv like episodes, high personality streamers alongside success and a hope for worlds. It garnered a huge culture in America and Europe alike. C9 had a similar come up in LCS. But at this point, Regi is only bringing negative publicity to TSM, and TSMs successes are diminishing. If he would have stepped down as CEO a few years ago he'd of been remembered a lot more fondly.
@@TheBalfrog It is not about being remembered as a good or bad person if you are the CEO. A CEO's job is to make profit, not to be your best friend. Having better relations to fans and such won't hurt. Even if Regi is/was a bad CEO he still made the connections and brought people in to run the org. TSM is not diminishing. TSM is not just League of Legends.
@@flamehaze5573 Sure, and I would argue Regis public perception is harming TSMs potential profit, being involved in bullying harassment claims is not good for a teams image and may even make players not want to join the org, impacting potential revenue down the line. Regi, alongside others created an innovative org in the esports realm, but every CEO should realise when there time is done. Bezos did this and no one would argue about his starting of that business.
The players are just keeping up NA's reputation of being near the airport, ready to go home on week 1/2 of international tournaments. NA is not competitive, it's retirement.
@4:06 CLG's Luger and Poome that botlane puttin work in CQ!
This explains a lot. With the TSM LCS teams having shit practice after scrims while the rest of your competition getting more good practice it would fuck the team skill level. It also would be extremely depressing being forced playing shit games.
Edit: Also what the fuck this is supposed to be a development roster why would you not give your roster more and better practice games.
Damn, Josedeodo representing LATAM being the only one trying in Flyquest
We need voyboy back on the stairs
Olleh keeps showing up. I think hes hungry for a reunion
If TSM is only playing solo queue, and the best players are playing champions queue, that means that TSM isn't able to practice with the best players. Like what?
imagine being privileged enough weather thats skill/luck/timing to play a video game professionally, and you half ass it.
Wtf? Half-ass it? Playing the same game for 10 hours per day is not half-ass
@@ziglaus im talking about the players who dont play 10 hours a day. You know, what the video is about.
Why professional players are forced to go play with the public when they have the technology and ability to make Champions Queue be the place for them to practice. The idea of playing the game over the internet with randoms as being the same as practicing with 5 players in comms and on the same page being equal never made sense to me. Solo queue is basically there to practice mechanics, you can't practice rotations, ward control, zone control, 2-3 man timed dives, coordinating efforts across the map using communication, which, is weirdly what a lot of pro teams NEED to develop. They should almost NEVER play solo queue imo. Should almost always be playing with your teammates in comms and practicing together. Individual skill in matchups can be practiced, video reviews and coaching should handle matchups, not some pro player randomly playing against someone who may not be playing it optimally.
Idk about LCS team practice, on another game (dota) many teams going into 4-8 hours of scrims+replay analysis and 8-12 games mandatory solo q every day (ex: T1 dota2 team). I envy most region on league had super server
It all comes down to culture. That’s all it ever has been. Over in the LpL they live and die by how they play. You either get better at your job (which to win) or get replaced. I never see that fire in NA players. Then you see a random lpl/lck player grinding to make their dreams come true while over here it’s just a paycheck.
Licorice was one of the first pros to admit solo queue isn't good practice and the dude still has 12 games a week
and that's still too few.
TSM management is shit if thats the case. It makes huge sense why takeover and shenyi the only ones that actually plays it since they werent always the main roster till later.
I wonder why like 70% of the LCS roster should bother with CQ. They will never become better than top 30% teams/players regardless how much they practice and as long as they just keep up their current skill, most of them will never be replaced with someone outside LCS. They make good money from just playing their favorite game without tryharding too much. I think perhaps the orgs need to change the salary system or something for people to actually want to play CQ, like decreasing the base salary and increasing performance based bonuses or something.
The tsm rule is so dumb. There would be unproductive games because one tricks would play non competitive meta champions. While in champs queue game would chose relevant champs.
Seems like the only teams triple blocking are the bottom tier teams, so it’s not exactly beneficial at all for those players to not play champions q.
doesn't C9 do a lot of internal practicing?
Will there be a point where Na becomes a wildcard region? I've always wondered this question given that the region fails to perform well in world's most years. I'm honestly surprised they still get 3 seeds when they should only get 2.
I'm not sure if it still works like that but it depends on MSI results. we did have only 2 seeds at a particular world and vietnam had an extra one instead
Tbh I think even if there is an argument for treating them like a lesser region, Riot just won't do it because of the money that's invested into lcs
@@MrGiaretti yes I believe this. Riot would be embarrassed to place NA as a wildcard region
@@bravepotatoe7513 Yes MSI contributes to seeds in worlds. Honestly the year team liquid made it to MSI finals is what (I think) let them continue to have 3 seeds in worlds.
too much money
how bout we put everyone in solo queue into champions queue so everyone can feel like a champion ✨
Maybe Riot should give the teams a separate price for being on the top 3 to force the other players to play more or probably have like a minimum amount of games played in a day or week
Riot isnt the one who should enforce this. Its already the players problems, the teams themselves should promote this. Just like in lck and lpl, its insane how much practice time they get.
Franchising is both the best and worst thing that happened to the League. Big investors means Orgs need to have some sense of stability. More money and less competition among players (in so much as roster swaps) means players have more money to spend and less fear of relegation or replacement. Even with all the swaps going on in the League, now you NEED to be able to justify it and say the person youre getting is gonna be better than the one you have. In the Wild West days, anybody could get replaced by the #1 ranked solo queue player if they werent putting up numbers. Now, its about brand recognition. Im happy the League has expanded in the ways it has but we still have a long way to go.
Doesn't Fudge just play internals instead of CQ?
Cant explain him not playing in its whole. Maybe he's doing 1 vs 1s with Copy. Maybe he's playing soloq on secret accounts (however why would he over CQ?). But internal scrims cant be the reason, cuz Malice and Zven have been grinding CQ hard.
@@RedBikelane I would assume 1v1s with Copy, maybe even LS (idk abt ping situation but just to learn matchups?) I don't know anything tho so just guessing, but Fudge seems like he would practice a lot to improve with the kind of player he is.
@@sebnanchaster it's 1v1 with Veigarv2 his coach I think. Also fudge really really dislikes comms.
The absolute madman
Contractz with only 8 GAMES? No wonder the man can't even insect with Lee Sin properly anymore
Talent Supression Machine in full force
when your peers are talking you are busy with other matters. Disrespectful and not nice.
B-tier Starcraft pros playing more SC in a day then LCS pros playing CQ in a week.
100T average is 16 not 26 lol, which I think is ok, not great and not bad. Plus look at the teams improvement over the last 3 weeks, 7 game win streak.
is it 6 for all 7 days of the week or only 5 days?
Shenyi and takeover are really the only 2 that look like they are playing nonstop
Guys Imagine LPL/LCK players playing on champion queue with LCS players in 2022 worlds
korean challenger+ solo queue is essentailly CQ. Almost everyone playing there is try harding to become a pro or atleast aspire to be at that level. only diff is voice comm, but they do the whole meta stuff
NA should just be a wild card region at this point lol
i accualy cant believe inspired is not practicing. in lec he was top performing jungler. going from that to not playing solo q at all thats weird
might be wrong here but wasnt he supposed to have a bit of an attitude issue? RGE´s top have hinted towards it whenever he talks about what went wrong for RGE last worlds. with his civil war talks etc. If that was the case perhaps inspired thinks he is too good for NA soloq? just speculating not saying its the truth
You can’t force a champion mindset. The NA players are just not in that mindset of being the best. Its more of a job to them
“Do as little as possible to not get fired and collect your paycheck.”
Might as well frame a stitch of that for each of the gaming houses.
The way EUW is so fucking grinded by pros etc… while na…
Imagine getting thousands of dollars to ppay a game and you do the bare minimum. Sure I'd get sidkcof it but damn I'd be putting in 8 to 10 hours a day in games and honing myself to perfection.
The problem with the LCS is these people are all ego driven and think they're the best but never push to be.
luger taking stuff seriously and spamming cq is somewhat respectable
I want luger with decent team
My fiancé moved from EUW to NA he played in the Dutch and Spanish league, went to EU Masters 3x and hit challenger on NA already and they won’t let him into champions queue. He essentially can’t play competitive anymore
Ur gay?
bro... soloq requirements? lmfaooo tsm what the fuck
most NA pros have become so unfortunately lazy and entitled , happy with getting their 6 figure salaries while doing the bare minimum, there's no hunger to become better.
no wonder they get shit on every time at worlds.
11:00 And again! I sound like a broken record! TSM management is shit! Get new management and coaches
The CEO is the problem
I think the one dude he was referring to was regi? And he is the CEO who I don’t think can be fired
@@DCB318 Yes. My point is that tsm is doomed as long as Regi is interacting with players
Pretty shitty of tsm. Also crazy that Danny plays no champions queue because they are focused on winning. Like trying some shit in soloq I get, but as a pro you should want to be winning.
Still waiting for the TSM banger quote
What's wrong with playing soloq? Won't it just die when the top player only play cq?
one tricks no comms more likely to int by being tilted at players because its Randoms in solo q is what i have heard people say
@@Diehard-ex8gn then isn't everyone outside of cq just gonna be horrible since they can't play against the top players
@@onceuponatime9499 you make it sound like it wasn't horrible before cq. Plus I believe gm 500lp is the cutoff anything above that I believe u can ask to join not sure though
@@Diehard-ex8gn pros get target inted
@@jeremymam6933 ok? going to need more info then that lol solo q or cq
Toucouille living with a "physical disability" and having 9 games is actually chad.
After all these years, turns out the Rainman was right.
that's a name I haven't heard in a long time. what did he say? I'm curious now
@@nall8387 basically he got kicked because he didn't value skrims and only cared about soloq.
Last i remembered doublelift hated solo q and said it provided no value.
A common L by Regi. What a turbo-bastard
Faker plays 10 games a day and you wonder why his team is 18-0 this split. Then you have NA players collecting checks and losing every worlds. Tsm management really want to be the last place team.
I thought playing video games all day long makes you lazy, turns out you are lazy if you don't. Who knew?
they arent playing videogames as hobby, it's their job to do so
cant call yourself a athlete lol you know you can only get better if you practice and grind....thats just how it is. think of it if nba players didnt practice, you know they gonna suck. U gotta eat and live league.
paycheck stealing thats what their doing
The reason is obvious I'm not sure why doublift doesn't understand? spring split doesn't matter dude
this is dumb. If you're a professional, you should want to get better all the time. Most professional athletes work on themselves and their game year round, even players on bad teams because they know if they get better, it improves their teams' chances of winning in the future. Using the excuse that spring doesn't matter to slack off isn't right imo. There's always a reason to improve if this is your livelihood, regardless of whether spring split matters or not.
last i remember spring split does matter? standings roll over and influence summer split and therefore worlds contention?
@@mxthajsdpo5113 ah.
Wunder is a funny thought into this debate because he's probably the only pro who has the least amount of games because he's playing WoW 🤣
Wunder actually plays SoloQ again
At least in his defense he's not a shitter
yes until he messes up on stage. then he gets in soloQ and practice tool
@@Kjrulz101 that's only because it's playoffs rn he does the same routine every year 😂
He works hard now in FNC because Yamato would belt him if he plays WoW again lmao
Well imagine working 9 h at work, scrims and mettings. Then people get mad at you for not putting in 3 h more at work a day with 1 to no days off
Also i do think they are afraid to burn out
They don't scrim for 9 hours
dont scrim for 9 hours plus its a damn game lol
Kobe kept doing 5am workouts before practice and stayed and did extra after, Ronaldo same shit
@@jxswu3224 being active is healthy for mind and body, sitting and playing for 12 h is crazy to put a 20 yearold throu. Ask Uzi i belive he doesnt feel his legs from sitting so much.
One time I went to the hospital for a check-up and the doctor said my arms are similar to that of a 40 to 50-year-old,” Uzi said in an interview with Nike last year. “I often feel like my legs have no strength. The lower part of the body feels like it’s not mine.”
“Due to chronic stress, obesity, irregular diet, staying up late, and other reasons, I have been diagnosed with type II diabetes during last year’s check-up,” Uzi said today.
This is what the guy said
@@jxswu3224 so just think is it worth doing this to kids and young adults ?
Job security
Just drastically different cultures when it comes to E-sports. The level of work and dedication in Korean/Chinese E-sports is similar to how American high school/college athletes approach traditional sports. Insane additional effort outside of what is "expected" because you know that's what makes the difference (and everyone else is pushing themselves). Let's be honest, in NA and EU you start playing games and very rarely consider it a viable career choice unless you find yourself at relatively high ranks in competitive games. Even then the extra push to "make it" is risky and can end up ruining the game you used to enjoy. However, In Korea for example, the culture is SO different. Gaming is a defined and viable career path with so many opportunities. The classic asian sterotype of parents frowning upon gaming is fading away as it's impossible not see the potential benefits of allowing your child to try and excel in gaming. We're seeing more and more college scholarships for e-sports and just a greater infrastructure in general for talent development. In the US, E-sports is just catching up to its tranditonal counterparts in terms of really taking it seriously.
Also another side point, why would the players bother grinding so many extra hours of solo queue if there's no obligation? They need to have some sort of life as well to avoid having the bodies of 50 years olds in the their mid 20s. The same way NFL players experience a multitude of head trauma induced psychiatric issues, E-sports players (in LCK and LPL especially) are getting more RSI in their wrists, issues with general mobility (weak legs) and obvious metabolic issues stemming from poor diets.
I'm sure they'll figure out a way for NA players to get more practice in without the deleterious health consequences that come with the territory, but until then, I wouldn't be so quick to judge.
You're a professional League of Legends player. your job is to play league, and if you aren't putting in the effort to improve outside of scrims, you arent doing your job and should literally, be forced out of the league. Playing scrims is a requirement to get better as a team, if you arent trying to improve and be competitive outside team set scrims you arent doing your job. its pathetic
For those who say they are having lives...
Okey listen.
You are literally living in a boot camp 24/7.
Not your home, meal is prepared for you, you aren't really paying for anything.
You do mandatory +/- 5 hours of scrims a day because i don't think riot actually lets you do more.
Going full chill after 5 hours of scrims is a joke... Atleast do those 3 hours of solo que or watching replay after it or doing something usefull... You improving = Everyone else around you improving by playing around you = region collectively becomes stronger and more relevant.
let people in champions q pls !
Me and my friend play 4-5 games a day and we're not even pro players...I don't see how you don't play at least 3.
Difference is they’re being asked to play games on top of their usual blocks of scrims. Yeah it’s ridiculous that they’re not playing but just bear that in mind
You be surprised man. People complain a lot about improving or claim " they play a lot" but barenly manage to get in 1-2 games a day.
@@cy5386 it's a form of work ethic. You don't get to be the best or succeed in life without putting in work. it shows that they're only in it for the money and nothing more which means their only drive IS the money.
@@cy5386 Not much to bear in mind. If you're not practicing after your scrims. We should never hear you talk about wanting to win lcs or be the best player because clearly you dont
@@cy5386 more reason why NA's at the bottom of the major region, as they're the place for washed up players or players that failed to debut on their home region.
you are paid to at least have a winning mindset and not "because I'm asked to play so I get paid"
people still surprised about this?
A wolf that isn't hungry will not hunt, a hungry wolf will hunt till it's fed. It seems most of the lazy pros are comfortable enough.
10:30 TSM Dom said doublelift is making things up....
Well jokes on him I guess because he can't listen/understand what dl said. DL:" Spica told me" and later" Spica came late because". So DL didn't lie. Tsm Spica told him. In this case Spica is the liar or Dom. Whatever you pick it will be still a tsm member that lied not DL. Not to mention that Leena and Bjergsen (and all people at the party) witnessed it. Maybe Spica is exaggerating or Dom is trying to save face for tsm
@@TheDovolan Or, or he lied about what any TSM member said. Which he's done before.
TSM Dom already confirmed he's lying.
@@seffer9772 and tsm Dom is a Saint that always tells the truth? We have a party full of people witnessing it, but the one guy in the org who's job it is to watch over the reputation is 100% believable? Of course he will say DL is lying. But in reality he is saying that his own member is lying. Why would dl lie when multiple people witnessed it. Strangely they don't say he is lying but the one guy that wasn't there AND works for the org. Spica could be frustrated and told them that. He could've been exaggerating and DL took him by his word.
@@TheDovolan what sort of mental gymnastics are you fuckin hurdling through? Lmfao
Look at this guys TH-cam comment history. He's a giant tsm fanboy lol
The weakest major region yet so many issues.
NA is just trolling by this point and European golden age is over. You should diversify and start streaming Elden Ring or Horizon or some other recent games mate. Make theorycrafting videos with Sneaky and Meteos about those. I just watch these league dramas out of habit by now because I like to listen to you guys talk, but I would prefer some other topics than League. Maybe more IRL stuff, go for a roadtrip or something. Yellowstone should be nice in May, take Leena to see baby animals, it will be cute, I promise.
this coming from the guy that griefed TL his last split on the team, always complaining about being burnt out? then said spring split doesn't matter? Maybe they not playing cuz idk? SPRING SPLIT DOESNT MATTER ...
DL has the most NA trophies out of all players ever. Winning another NA trophy, which is all you can get out of spring split, means literally nothing to him. Most of the players being discussed are relatively new to pro play without any titles. Spring split matters if you've never won an LCS title.
Lol you do know the result from Spring carries over right? It’s not a reset buddy. So if you’re a bottom team in Spring, you most likely not gonna make playoffs in Summer.
@@AlejandroLamKhoa i think they got rid of carrying over , i rmb LCS releasing statement they returning to the original format prior to 2020
Pretty sure this guy was known for how insanely dedicated he was to his craft along with players like Bjergsen.
Nobody is even saying they should have 0 life playing, but clearly to him he thinks theyre literally not trying
Their only job is to play league... And they refuse to do their job? Lel 🤦🏻♂️
Well imagine working 9 h at work, scrims and mettings. Then people get mad at you for not putting in 3 h more at work a day with 1 to no days off
@@saen2755 yeah BUT this is not the case 🙄. The meetings are before the official matches. They need to learn from Asia, 40games per week and they have free time so what's the excuse here?
@@LightOfSkyFalling burn out is prob one of the reasons, i dont blame players not spending 12 - 14 h a day in league i think thats insane
@@saen2755 the funny thing is... They don't need to? 🙄 You have 7 days to play and that's it, nothing more. Why others can (even with jobs, school, personal life,etc) but in NA they can't?
@@saen2755 stop comparing it to a 9-5. This is not equivalent. If a player was the best in the world and NEVER practices, nobody would bat an eye. The thing is, these players are not the best in the world and the goal is to strengthen the region, which includes looking into their work ethics and compare it to their peers.
i do think the c9 players at least kinda have an excuse to not be on CQ *as* much, since they have an lcs-caliber second team to play with whenever they want
but for fudge specifically, he could use all the midlane matchup experience he can get :
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Their doing "jabol". 😂
It's funny being in NA region.
Look all those millions of dollars teams giving to their players even the region sucks.
NA culture is just doomed but praying CQ is a spark
Who is to say that a lot of those people arent playing soloQ? There's been a tone of drama in the past weeks about how toxic champion's Queue's enviroment is.
Champions queue is just a temporary solution that does not really do much and I would wager that 'soloq' has a more natural practice curve for each player. You gotta be in amateur/prolevel to even get invited to play so its really just an echo chamber of sorts at some point when it comes to practice. You don't really have the natural X factors that a true soloq environment has, no innovation, and no new people. You actually need a full on solution such as lower ping for all soloq or make a super server like China that filters out/produces 'new' players. Now you factor in some BS tinfoil hat theories such as not showing strategy and the like into the mix and it just fks everything up. Oh right and then you add in the cultural differences and varying practice strategies of each player and you end up with nothing. In a perfect world with champq where everyone plays all the time it would work, but it ain't. Leave NA in the dumpster until they either do something or RIOTNA implements a full-scale restructure.
Fk champions queue being all buddy buddy with your competitors
Dead game
TSM Dom pretty much called dl a liar. LMAO
Ofc he does, he works for tsm
@@rufusrupo Yeah, not like dl has lied a million other times. This time it's different right?
@@seffer9772 no? He hasn't lol
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youre literally playing a fucking game for a living. I understand people get burnt and tired of playing 24/7 but literally play the fucking game XD. Its called getting complacent and thats why NA will always be in the doghouse when it comes to being considered a "competitive" region. I dont know why you wouldnt want to play more to improve.
if you're collecting a paycheck and can still perform at high levels without playing those extra games, would you? do you think playing extra games necessarily = getting better? maybe, but with shit returns. imagine how numb they are to playing norms and need something more mentally uncomfortable/active lol.
that champions queue stat also doesn't show internal games/practice, vod reviews, individiual performance etc.
@@nealkim4166 Can’t say as no one here has been in that position, but with a game that’s constantly evolving with new items/ concepts you think it’d be wise to house a team of players who are constantly on the bottom of LCS not taking advantage of something like SQ? It just clearly shows atleast IMO the motivation of teams who are at the top vs ones who aren’t when it comes to the stats shown from SQ games. I get being burnt out, everyday people are the same with everyday jobs. But their is a clear discrepancy in work ethic when it comes to improving vs LCS AND LCK for example.
obviously most commenters here have never worked a full time, salaried job in their lives before. those players play league as a job. just because you can have fun at your job, doesn't make it not a job... there is a thing called work-life balance. listen from 5:13 to 5:22 where DL actually calls it a "long day of scrims", where players want to relax afterwards and have a life. if you work at a company and are salaried (e.g., making 100k+, 40 hrs/week) and your boss tells you to work 20+ more hours (~ 20 games of champions queue) without additional compensation, you are actually brainless if you can't see what's wrong with that.
lastly, playing more/less games on champions queue offers no context. how much sleep are players sacrificing, how intense/long are scrim sessions between teams with players who grind many champions queue games vs not... there is always a trade-off. lastly, at their skill level, playing additional games becomes more of a passive means of learning new ideas/mechanics. not to mention there is diminishing returns of improving at their skill level, that it's more important that their time is used smarter. i wanna ask everyone to view this situation as if they were those pro players, but as workers in a normal company; that is, if it were you being asked to spend extra time at work without additional compensation, and your intent for working is to take care of you and your family, there's no way you'd continually do that long term.
That's perfectly fine but let's not pretend that we're being competitive at all
You cant realy look at this as a job. It is more closely related to athletes, and to become the best you have to sacrifice some free time to that.
Athletes of what i know is either training in some way or resting and looking at where they can improve. Ofc they also put in some effort to have some work life balance, but the work to be the best still has to be prioritized.
I mean yes, that's all fine, but players know exactly what they are signing up for when they are hired as pro players. Just like mentioned in the video, almost certainly many teams have certain soloq requirements written into contracts. You're asking people to compare it to a normal job, but that's not an equal comparison.
The fact is being a pro isn't a normal job at all. It requires way more dedication, drive and focus than the average 40 hour work day. Pro's are compensated so well, because they are expected to do these things which lead them to be the best.
It's this exact same way in every professional sport out there. People playing in professional sports have the exact same obligations to meet. They spend hours upon hours conditioning themselves, practicing and playing. They don't complain because that's what's expected to stay at the top, exactly like in league.
It's the exact same way in a lot of actual professional jobs as well. Doctors easily work an insane amount of hours, and their work doesn't stop when they get home. They must constantly review, and keep up to date on their own personal time. But that is exactly the reason they are compensated so well.
All in all, being a professional is not the same as what you compare to be a normal 9-5. There are a dozens of jobs out there that require insane hours and this is one of them. If you can't handle it, then being a professional league player isn't for you.
bro this isnt a factory job this is a competitive esport, no one is forcing people to play games for less pay its about who wants it more and who is willing to put in the effort, these guys are contracted for a team but dont confuse that as if its entirely different from solo sports like tennis, the people who play more will be better and if you want a balanced life with plenty of free time thats fine but youll never compete with the best at anything
lmao 20 hours is a bit extreme but regular jobs have overtimes too and you can easily play for 10-12 hours a day esp. if you consider that between matches they're probably waiting in queue for a good portion.
dl with some of the worst takes I've ever heard.