MTG Players Rage Over Silver Bordered Cards Legal In Commander + Astonishing DnD Secret Lairs

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  • @TheMagicHistorian
    @TheMagicHistorian  27 วันที่ผ่านมา +8

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    • @HauntedCorpseGaming
      @HauntedCorpseGaming 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      No silver bordered cards and no stickers thanks.
      If you want to allow that crap make an "Anything Goes" Commander format with no restrictions.... That nobody will play. 😆

    • @througtonsheirs_doctorwhol5914
      @througtonsheirs_doctorwhol5914 26 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Silver border legal ???
      Darn i knew i did well buying "ANIMATE LIBRARY"
      75/75 to 85/85 articfact creature ? YUP !!!!

  • @paulthetexan
    @paulthetexan 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +86

    I appreciate you letting us know about the cool secret lairs that scalpers will get to buy in the 10 minutes before they sell out.

    • @Frank-costanza
      @Frank-costanza 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

      For real. Maybe I'll be able to buy them on ebay for 5x the cost.

    • @gankgoat8334
      @gankgoat8334 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +10

      This is why nothing should be limited print at this point, the game is already getting to the point that it is too expensive.

    • @jakeg3347
      @jakeg3347 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      for real I hate that videos like this do nothing except tell the scalpers what to target

    • @multieyedmyr
      @multieyedmyr 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Proxy

    • @jakeg3347
      @jakeg3347 24 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@multieyedmyr i proxy all secret lairs I own so I don't have to play with them. not relevant nor the answer

  • @everdarkraven
    @everdarkraven 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +53

    The Rules Committee chose the easiest project they could think of to prove they don't just sit around and do nothing.

  • @GrinningFeline
    @GrinningFeline 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +46

    Confusion leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to … suffering.

    • @marcoottina654
      @marcoottina654 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      And steering leads to the Dark Side of the Force.

    • @rustythedeli-master6861
      @rustythedeli-master6861 26 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

      Actually Anger leads to my board having haste as long as it's in my graveyard and I control a mountain.

    • @marcoottina654
      @marcoottina654 26 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      suffering* - typo
      anyway, I love your pun!

  • @Theanthill216
    @Theanthill216 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +23

    5 years of edh & ive realized:
    1.) players have a hard time keeping decks casual and self governing power level, especially if they come from playing modern.
    2.) edh is intended to be casual and ppl can have a precon at the least as an option, yet try to hide behind rule zero as a cop out to pubstomp/disrespect others time with miserable decks.
    3.) rule zero is basically a non rule, and leads to either no discussion beforehand or confusion/frustration when discussing power level or things like proxies, silver borders, etc.
    4.) if you dont have a playgroup and you go to pickup games at the lgs, then its difficult to have a good experience due to rule zero.
    Not having clear guidelines as to what is expected in casual edh, among the things listed above, means that pods will be more often uneven and is beyond overwhelming for new players. Imagine you buy a precon and go to edh for the first time and not one person has a precon or low powered deck to play with……cedh is not the default and the RC needs to do something for a change instead of hiding behind “you can just make the rules from now on and no we wont ban dockside”

    • @BusinessSkrub
      @BusinessSkrub 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      Would never play with randoms for these exact reasons. Everyone at the store is a try-hard and winning is more important to them than anything, so they'll go out of their way to make everyone else miserable as long as they win. Not to mention that most commander players call their deck "casual" while it contains 400$ of "staple lands" and mana rocks lmfao.

    • @jarad9946
      @jarad9946 23 วันที่ผ่านมา

      1.) there is no such thing as governing power level, its a stupid concept
      2.) edh is intended to be played however someone wants to play, you dont get to choose how people play the game. people built as powerful decks as they could back when edh started
      3.) no shit its a non rule, its not a real rule, its for morons who cry about how others choose to have fun
      4.) stop playing magic if you dont like playing magic

    • @BusinessSkrub
      @BusinessSkrub 23 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      @@jarad9946 found the try-hard that absolutely NEEDS to win at any cost, especially if that cost includes ruining the game for everyone else. Good thing you play EDH and noone with a brain has to deal with you

    • @jarad9946
      @jarad9946 23 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@BusinessSkrub dont need to win at any cost but it is fun to play however i want without worrying about brain rot casuals trying to determine how im allowed to play the game.

    • @BusinessSkrub
      @BusinessSkrub 23 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      @@jarad9946 and I prefer to play without brain rot tryhards trying to make the game as miserable as possible, so again, thank goodness I actually have friends to play with and I'll never have to play with such selfish troglodytes

  • @RaceBandit
    @RaceBandit 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +38

    If you're going to put silver borders in EDH, regulate them with their own banlist, IE no "Tear this card to pieces" effects like on Blacker Lotus and Chaos Confetti.

    • @Gzilla313
      @Gzilla313 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +8

      Can I have both halves of Big Furry Monster as my Commander? lol

    • @ericcritten5369
      @ericcritten5369 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      I still have a bunch of Unglued from back when...would love to use that goofy stuff.

    • @Gaming_Antics
      @Gaming_Antics 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      WotC trying to promote failed 30th anniversary silver boarder cards.

    • @feritperliare2890
      @feritperliare2890 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      ​@Gzilla313 sure when the nephilim are errated to be legendary as they should, if you can errata the types you can errata the super type

    • @wurgel1
      @wurgel1 27 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Can't wait for the a-hole, who argues whether or not you can concede before the card is ripped apart.
      Memnarch -> steal whatever you want, making it an artifact.
      Saheeli, Sublime Artificer -> turn the stolen card into a copy of Blacker Lotus
      -> Let It Rip

  • @epsleon
    @epsleon 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +11

    Can't wait to not be able to buy these Secret Lairs.

  • @KressalakTheWolf
    @KressalakTheWolf 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +50

    All I heard was "The rules Committee is a joke". Sounds like they probably were going to let in Silver Boarder cards but took a step back with all the negative feedback.

    • @chesterfieldthe3rd929
      @chesterfieldthe3rd929 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +18

      They've always been a joke

    • @autoenthused
      @autoenthused 27 วันที่ผ่านมา

      They’re basically a WotC mouthpiece. No one on the committee has any backbone, or power do a damn thing

    • @drokhalis3338
      @drokhalis3338 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      @@chesterfieldthe3rd929No kidding, coalition victory is too strong a win con, but Thoracle is sensible and balanced.

    • @BusinessSkrub
      @BusinessSkrub 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      ​@@drokhalis3338that blows my mind, yeah. I've wanted to build coalition victory in a 60card for my casual playgroup for a long time now; but because we play mostly 4 or 5-way games, we generally look at commander bans for cards not to use or focus on because they're usually more tuned for multiplayer games. Coalition victory would be TOO easy in a 60card lol, especially now that we have Leyline of the Guildpact, so I spare them, but it makes me sad

  • @ErikBurigo
    @ErikBurigo 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +10

    22:50 The orb in the artwork of 4th edition Dungeon Master Guide is actually a scrying ball. If you look inside there are some heroes that are being scryed upon.
    I love it because if you look at the Player's Handbook cover of 4th edition, it's the exact same image depicted in the scrying ball.
    Looking at the two covers side by side, you get a scene of heroic people exploring a dungeon, but then you zoom out and see the scheming villain (the red dragon) spying on them and Pondering about how to dispatch these oblivious mortals.

  • @lyzoldas
    @lyzoldas 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +17

    I'm happy for all the scalpers that will be able to get the D&D secret lair 😥 I signed up to be notified for the Monty Python and didn't even get the email

    • @afrosamurai3847
      @afrosamurai3847 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

      Scalpers really are a plague to humanity at least as far as entertainment and hobbies.

  • @jettblade
    @jettblade 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

    I personally don't mind having an outside framework to allow silver border cards that are reasonable to be played. Its a rule as another option that will have zero impact at most tables. There are quite a few cards that are reasonable. For example look at Target Minotaur. It is a 2/1 Minotaur with Prowess for 1R and that's it. That could very well be put in a normal set and it frankly wouldn't be that good. Its perfectly fine to play but not allowed because its silver bordered.

  • @sheldonadams2847
    @sheldonadams2847 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +13

    Easy solution to the silver boarder cards is to make a Masters set of reprinted Un cards as black boarder. Then say Any card reprinted in that set is legal

    • @FrenchCanadianGuy
      @FrenchCanadianGuy 26 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      The committee is not printing cards. Also, do you work for Hasbro or something?

    • @sheldonadams2847
      @sheldonadams2847 26 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@FrenchCanadianGuy They could just make the UnMasters set legacy legal. Committee doesn't need to do anything

    • @Marlonbc90
      @Marlonbc90 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      Solution to what? What is the problem? Who wants to play with these cards? No problem, no need for a solution
      WotC periodically prints stupid cards and to this day they haven't learned that nobody cares about them. That's their problem

  • @danboyle7165
    @danboyle7165 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +48

    Acorn symbol is ridiculous & not easy to spot.

    • @TheMagicHistorian
      @TheMagicHistorian  27 วันที่ผ่านมา +20

      That's literally the point, WOTC wants to play the whole "We marked it as not legal for constructed play" but totally want players to get confused and think they are legal so they will want those cards. They don't care how much bad feels it creates for the players.

    • @ollipop2615
      @ollipop2615 27 วันที่ผ่านมา

      xx xx xx xx y xx, xx xx xx xx y so

    • @frankvandorp2059
      @frankvandorp2059 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +12

      @@TheMagicHistorian And it puts pressure on the players to keep out those cards. They're tricking new players into bringing the cards to the table, and the experienced players now either have to police the game and feel like gatekeeping a-holes, or allow unfun cards into their game and have a worse play experience.

    • @01MEGABOB
      @01MEGABOB 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      @@frankvandorp2059only correct answer is gatekeeping.

    • @wurgel1
      @wurgel1 27 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@01MEGABOB Or be the bigger a-hole, gatekeeping through punishment.
      Play a yoink-copy-rip deck with silver border cards against them, specifically focusing them.
      Yoink their permanents, bonuspoints if you go for non-permanents as well, turn them into copies of Blacker Lotus (or other tear apart cards) and then use them as their new text intends.
      THEY want to play silver borders, so play silver borders.

  • @sergeiyamagoro431
    @sergeiyamagoro431 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +7

    Half the cards in Unfinity were mislabeled, resulting in acorn cards that should have been legal, and legal cards that should have been acorn stamped. 🤪

  • @GramCleric
    @GramCleric 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    Rules commitee literally has no authority left...some of the nonsense they decide to ban and not to ban. Rule 0 with friends forget those jokers

    • @DoubleGreatRock
      @DoubleGreatRock 26 วันที่ผ่านมา

      I stopped following their rules after they banned Golos.

  • @adambysko1787
    @adambysko1787 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +54

    no uncards at my table please

    • @mwo79
      @mwo79 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +18

      Im playing silver boarder cards at your table.

    • @samdunn5846
      @samdunn5846 27 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Clown car go honk honk

    • @MichaelHayes-yw6mf
      @MichaelHayes-yw6mf 27 วันที่ผ่านมา

      We only role play sweaty buttcracks in my play group better not do anything even slightly for the sake of fun or a laugh

    • @adambysko1787
      @adambysko1787 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +7

      @@mwo79 fine but if you play denim walk don't get mad when I lose my pants :P

    • @bwahchannel9746
      @bwahchannel9746 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      ​@@mwo79 AWOL his commander so it can never be in the game

  • @chayadol
    @chayadol 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    Modern mtg card feel like Silver Boarder anyway. I think it's fine bringing Silver Boarder in EDH for slightly more chaos lol

  • @Starfall1979
    @Starfall1979 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    I love monster manual! Fun fact thats an actual 3 dimensional "book" that higgenbothom made, hes a sculptor and did most of the cover arts for d&ds books of that era as well as cathodian claws of gix voltaic key and worn powerstone (all of which were sculpted items)! I had the pleasure of meeting him in 2004 at worlds where he was sculpting 5 full size (about 2 1/2 to 3 feet tall) versions of the mana dork myr cycle, really nice guy and i have a video I made of that trip showing his and many others artwork, and I still have my hat I wore with his signature as well as signatures from chris rush (and a neat custom lotus!) scott fisher anthony waters and sheshiro ookubo! It was a magical trip!

  • @jeannaimarre3537
    @jeannaimarre3537 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

    So basically, they wasted time and ressources to do what most players already do on their own?
    Do you want to look useless? Because this is exactly how you'd proceed if you did.

    • @engiopdf8745
      @engiopdf8745 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      That's all the RC has done for years. "Just rule 0 with your group. It's a social format!"
      Never mind this leaves me with zero (heh) expectations for if my $1000 deck will be playable at a new LGS, either because it's too weak or too strong for the table. Lord forbid you're playing online where rule 0 is nonexistent and you just have to guess if that Kenrith deck is chair tribal or cEDH. 10% of the entire banlist emerged just from cards printed during the 2020 window where everyone HAD to play online and it exposed how "just rule 0" doesn't work.

    • @jeannaimarre3537
      @jeannaimarre3537 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      @engiopdf8745 I only play with my playgroup, which, I realize more and more, is definitely a good call.
      However, the banlist makes sense to me. I don't agree with all bans, others would maybe be necessary, but overall, it makes sense to me, so I thought they knew what they were doing.
      To extend an olive branch to them, working with assholes like Hasbro, while serving them as a shield, must be exhausting and, hence, must impair their decision-making greatly.

    • @jeannaimarre3537
      @jeannaimarre3537 27 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @engiopdf8745 Furthermore, how I understand it, rule 0 should be for weird jank or powerful cards in the wrong hands.
      This means that you can have all the lock pieces, land destruction, and board wipes you want, BUT if I can't do anything anymore, your next step should be to end my misery quickly. If you can't by default, no Strip Mine or Jokullhaups for you.

    • @Firevine
      @Firevine 27 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@engiopdf8745 Any format where this is a problem is a bad format.

  • @GellyVelly
    @GellyVelly 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    I never understood the point of the "commander's committee" at all. If commander isn't sanctioned and "rule zero" exists as a concept, and they even say you should use rule zero. Why give anything they say anymore weight than anything your play group decides. I've been playing a few silver boarded cards here and there for over a decade now. Not a ton of stuff or anything that would annoy players by making them have to do the hokey pokey or get me a soda or whatever, just stuff like Super Secret Tech or Rocket-Powered Turbo Slug. But I mean if my opponent wants to play Hurloon Wrangler or whatever, sure why not. I mean in the same vein, if you wanna listen to the committee, sure you do you. I just still don't get why people care about them. Like if you don't like their choices, don't listen. You literally don't have to.

  • @whatsupdoc6358
    @whatsupdoc6358 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +16

    All I want is earl of squirrel.

    • @endersblade
      @endersblade 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      THIS, so much. I've wanted to make an Earl of Squirrel EDH deck for so long.

    • @whatsupdoc6358
      @whatsupdoc6358 27 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@endersblade I wish it was legendary. It would be an amazing mono-green squirrel commander.

    • @Y2KNW
      @Y2KNW 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      One guy in our group loves playing squirrels so we just let him have that one.

    • @Mr39hope
      @Mr39hope 27 วันที่ผ่านมา

      YES YES YES

    • @bwahchannel9746
      @bwahchannel9746 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      I would allow you to play squirrel earl

  • @christopherb501
    @christopherb501 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

    "Universe Within" the Honor Among Thieves cards

  • @thecollectiblecollectabill2298
    @thecollectiblecollectabill2298 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    At first I was upset that they made faithless looting one of them. Then I realized they can very easily unban faithless looting, based on the cards that they've been bringing out with the modern horizons sets

  • @drewium6386
    @drewium6386 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    First of all, I'm a huge fan of silver bordered cards. Second, without a few exceptions nowadays the power level of silver card is on par or lower than the power surged cards they've been pumping into the format.

  • @justinjacobs1501
    @justinjacobs1501 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    As someone building a Breya Contraptions deck, I'm fully on board with un-cards being more widely accepted in EDH. The format was never intended to be some ultra competative slogfest. I mean, i remember playing back in highschool in '06 and it was always jank vs jank. Those guys thought the original un-cards were hilarious and spiced things up.

  • @snethss
    @snethss 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +18

    Can I rule zero some Yugioh cards while we are at it?

    • @michaelgriffith7033
      @michaelgriffith7033 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Funny!

    • @The_Dying_Rose
      @The_Dying_Rose 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

      You don't need to, using one of the my little pony legends (don't know the name, but it's yellow I think), which let's you put toys on the battlefield as tokens that have abilities reflected by the toy's characteristics. Just play all 5 pieces of exodia as tokens, then play Claire D'Loon from the unfinity set to turn all tokens into cards for the rest of the game an finish it off by playing any card that will put all 5 exodia pieces into your hand. Thus you can play Exodia to win the game using mtg cards.

    • @MunchKING
      @MunchKING 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      @@The_Dying_Rose Applejack is the Card you're thinking of.

    • @Enja_Near
      @Enja_Near 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      ​@@The_Dying_RoseYou also need to have R&D's secret lair out otherwise Exodia doesn't do anything.

    • @yurisei6732
      @yurisei6732 23 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@Enja_Near No you don't, Exodia has never had an errata within MTG so it already does what it says it does. Although what it says it does is "you win the duel", but there's no such thing as a duel in MTG, so you can't win it - and you couldn't with R&D's secret lair either.

  • @thetruthisoutthere8714
    @thetruthisoutthere8714 26 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Back in the day I took part in an un-draft with my friends. There was a foil Entirely Normal Armchair that made it around the draft rotation a few times, so I decided to pick it up, knowing everyone would know I had it and would never be able to use it effectively.
    I've carried this card in my most played commander deck ever since with hopes I could legitimately use it... everyone laughs when I try, but I never get the actually benefit of destroying an attacking creature.
    Part of me supports this, but the confusion is too deep... very complex issue.

    • @yurisei6732
      @yurisei6732 23 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      Entirely Normal Armchair is hugely broken in commander. You can put it onto the battlefield for free, triggering any ETB triggers, then make a deal with an opponent to bounce it so you can play it again.

  • @kurtreznor
    @kurtreznor 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    I'm glad you mentioned laughing hyena first, that is my most hated un-card...and I love the un-sets. But whenever that card hit the table, the game stopped being fun.

  • @charleskuhns6042
    @charleskuhns6042 22 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    The rules committee hasn’t banned a single card for YEARS.
    Mind you, we have a new set every, what, 2 months?
    I think it’s been 3 years since a card was banned so 3 x 6 = 18 sets and not ONE SINGLE CARD in all those sets wasn’t deemed problematic? What about Thassa Oracle shenanigans? 2 card 3-4 drop I win combo is ridiculous. But no, that’s fine. Let’s bring even MORE cards into the format.
    The rules committee is just a scapegoat for WOTC.

  • @chesterfieldthe3rd929
    @chesterfieldthe3rd929 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +12

    Commander rules committee is a joke.

  • @endersblade
    @endersblade 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +13

    There are cards in Un- sets, like Giant Fan, that are perfectly functional without being silly. They ability simply moves counters around. We already have several other cards that do something like that, so seeing a Giant Fan hit the board shouldn't be an issue.

    • @shea455
      @shea455 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      Blacker Lotus? No silver bordered cards in the format, period.

    • @Y2KNW
      @Y2KNW 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      Lots of cards that are pefectly functional and I think that's the idea, just that the cards do something we haven't seen before and they want to test it with a silver border first.

    • @frederikandersen7295
      @frederikandersen7295 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      Yeah, like stickers:)

    • @feritperliare2890
      @feritperliare2890 27 วันที่ผ่านมา

      ​@@frederikandersen7295stickers could've worked if maybe they were made to work like contraption instead of the crazy extra deck that you draw only at the start from and the sticker sheets are pretty unbalanced so it's pure luck for the entire game

    • @jessicastevens538
      @jessicastevens538 27 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Rules lawyer fuck that no un sets or acorns should be allowed or fuck this

  • @alpheuswoodley8435
    @alpheuswoodley8435 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    That beholder just came from a Cure concert

  • @jhook6865
    @jhook6865 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    Ohhh man, the Goldspan Dragon art....now that is amazing!!!!!

  • @Firevine
    @Firevine 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +8

    Commander might be ok if it weren't for the player base

  • @SinfulTitan
    @SinfulTitan 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +13

    Yet another reason to not even acknowledge wizards having authority over rules, especially for a format that they didnt even have involvement in creating.

  • @os10v311
    @os10v311 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    these new dNd lair cards using recycled art should be dirt cheap since there's practically no effort involved in making them

    • @marcoottina654
      @marcoottina654 27 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Ahhaha it will be sold for 50€ and resold by scalpers for 130/200€

    • @Kaucukovnik666
      @Kaucukovnik666 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      Yeah, I really don't get the excitement. I guess Hatcher is just taking any opportunity he can to show enthusiasm so he doesn't become an old wizard yelling at clouds.

  • @yurisei6732
    @yurisei6732 23 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    My disappointment that the worlds "multiple" and "epic" were followed by the words "D&D Secret Lairs" is palpable. It's not even new art lol. This'll probably be the cheapest secret lair they've ever made.

  • @Freebird462
    @Freebird462 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    I added Earl Squirrel in my commander deck. I'm playing squirrel tribal and it seems perfectly fine for my group

  • @johnantoniovontrapp8100
    @johnantoniovontrapp8100 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

    Bring back "band as commander"!! I need Golos in my 99

    • @draftmagicagain1000
      @draftmagicagain1000 17 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      To randomly draw and play? Or are we adding 5 tutors so we get it every game? 😮‍💨

  • @AlexOvTheAbyss
    @AlexOvTheAbyss 25 วันที่ผ่านมา

    The Commander Rules Committee - the perfect example of logic and consistence that never puts their own interests over what would be best for the game

  • @Rannulfus
    @Rannulfus 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    They'll consider legalizing silver border, yet Lutri over here just needs three simple words "banned as companion". I know we just got 3 otter commanders in one set, but this is going to get me fuming again.

    • @SexyMonsterLover
      @SexyMonsterLover 27 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Lutri should have never been banned.

  • @malxire
    @malxire 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    ha i just heard this the day after i roamed trough my unfinity box and half assedly trew together a pietra crafter of clowns uncommander which with the exeption of interactin with someone outside the game is probably in the first tier

  • @BlueGriffin20
    @BlueGriffin20 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Cool. I’m *might* finally get my two card win con with Topsy Turvy. Bet players will love that…

  • @zackwilcox3183
    @zackwilcox3183 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Its easier to rule 0 something into a game then to convince people things shouldnt be allowed per a rule 0 discussion. For fun or otherwise like genuinely its so much healthier to just keep silver border cards not legal formally.
    I understand this is just a template to help rule 0 discussion but yeah. Mind ya'll im in the boat that i see all the d6 dice rolling cards /killbots from unstable are pretty much aline with modern mtg and served as playtest cards for the mechanic of rolling dice. That being said i still think its a rule 0 discussion to allow use of them , if we just let all the silver border stuff in theres too much to nitpick what is fun for everyone and what isn't itd just become awkward.
    Overall i dont enjoy silver border cards personally and dont find the majority of them to be fun. They often are awkward or time consuming and theres a time and place for them , i dont think that place is the format currently keeping mtg relavent. I dont mind the formentioned dice rolling if its tame , i also dont mind custom rule 0 commanders if they seem well thought out and interesting. All of that is for sure a rule 0 discussion to add to a game with a pod whos down and won't feel uncomfy with it.

    • @yurisei6732
      @yurisei6732 23 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Yep. If something isn't allowed but is allowable, someone who wants to play it will generally bring two decks or bring replacements so that they can still play if someone says they'd rather they didn't use that. If something is allowed but shouldn't be, you're going to get a lot of players showing up with just one deck, only finding tables that would rather they don't use it, and then going home sulking. Keeping unpopular cards not legal but rule zero-able helps people communicate.

  • @carldooley9344
    @carldooley9344 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    My first commander was Frankie Peanuts...

  • @A.I.Friends
    @A.I.Friends 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +10

    Why do we need silver boarded sets anyway? Never bought into them, except for City of Ass.

    • @AENock
      @AENock 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      Silly mechanics, art, and flavor text were a fun way to celebrate Magic draft. Now that *every* set has silly mechanics, art, and flavor text the appeal is a lot less.
      One of the monetary draws to buy into un sets were rare full-art basic lands. Now *every* set has full-art lands.

  • @Raistlin600
    @Raistlin600 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Need Larry Elmore art cards all the time, on every time

  • @Phantomjutsu
    @Phantomjutsu 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

    The lesson on the Dragon Orbs was very interesting! For a person who knows next to nothing about DnD.

  • @GeekandGlory
    @GeekandGlory 27 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I was drooling over the Astarion SL, lamenting how it will probably sell out before I get it and then I remember I own all of these cards and can literally just print off the artwork and slip it in front a basic land.

  • @derrickpaulson3093
    @derrickpaulson3093 26 วันที่ผ่านมา

    The Monster Manual art is actually from 3rd edition cover. I started with that!

  • @rlbarney2
    @rlbarney2 26 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    16:27 🤬That's a red dragon, not a goldspan. Wish they would use the correct art.

  • @RuroniKaito
    @RuroniKaito 27 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Earl of Squirrels ability is identical to Lathril: Create token based on damage dealt. At this point that card would be normal.

  • @darby2314
    @darby2314 27 วันที่ผ่านมา

    The Fourth Edition card is the cover of the 4E DMG. You can't see it too well in the card but, the Orb in the 4E card is an Orb of Scrying. The Dragon is using the orb to scry on the adventurers. The image within the orb is from the cover of the 4e Players Handbook.

  • @user-mz9tp7lf6s
    @user-mz9tp7lf6s 26 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Correct if I'm wrong but also seems like could a set up to re-evaluating a portion of the ban list. Think about it like this. If They can set up the silver border card a break them in a way that sense they can then go back and break down the ban list and since people will already understand the way they are breaking it down. It will be much easier for the community to come to a consensus on a new ban list.
    Tldr: let em cook.

  • @Beckola44
    @Beckola44 27 วันที่ผ่านมา

    The artwork on the Goldspan Dragon and Reality Shift are iconic. I really like the artwork on Acererak the Archlich. The artwork for the Beholder's Secret Lair is AWFUL! Thank you for the video Magic Historian.

  • @shuckahoseerazzle8486
    @shuckahoseerazzle8486 24 วันที่ผ่านมา

    every time I think about playing mtg again I see your videos and change my mind

  • @JoeyDCote
    @JoeyDCote 27 วันที่ผ่านมา

    There are some silver border cards I wouldn't mind see available in Commander. I guess they could just make a list of the cards that are allowed from those sets effectively banning the rest.

  • @isidoreaerys8745
    @isidoreaerys8745 วันที่ผ่านมา

    31:42 the slit shaped pupil looks very phallic in this one

  • @JohnTalbane87
    @JohnTalbane87 18 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I’m totally down for silver to be legal. Brings commander closer to the reason it was originally built, for fun goofy shenanigans. Gets it closer to its kitchen table roots.

  • @Clemsonalumnus
    @Clemsonalumnus 27 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I just want Augment. It’s a great mechanic that was wasted on an Un set.
    Also, I want a Monster Manual I can change to:
    “Monster Book of Monsters”
    With the Adventure “Care of Magical Creatures”

  • @MageSkeleton
    @MageSkeleton 27 วันที่ผ่านมา

    i'm not against those certain "un" cards being legal for play, i just wish WotC would do a proper reprinting of those cards so there's a proper "Definitely legal for play" version to reference. And i keep hoping they'll ban Nadu and i've given up on them banning Thassa's Oracle.
    Wonder if they're going to do "Print to demand" like they did before, otherwise, this entire secret lair (just like the others) are just for scalpers.

  • @WCD_Media
    @WCD_Media 25 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I have mixed feelings about silver being legal in any capacity in Commander. There are lots of Silver Boarder Cards that I would like to use in my decks, but also some that I wouldn't want in the format whatsoever because it would just be so confusing.

  • @ryorai5804
    @ryorai5804 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    finally i can use chaos confetti interactions to make people rip up their own decks

  • @jarzz3601
    @jarzz3601 27 วันที่ผ่านมา

    tried looking up beholder and yeah as far as I can tell beholder's can still only target one person per ray

  • @nanya524
    @nanya524 27 วันที่ผ่านมา

    So long as the effect is something that is on a normal MTG card, then it shouldn't be a problem. Ukitabe Kong, Surgeon General Commander both come to mind.

  • @TacomaTacos
    @TacomaTacos 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    “The creature he’s looking at is a buttholder” ? Did a double take … 😂

  • @fernandob2275
    @fernandob2275 26 วันที่ผ่านมา

    The exhibition lair is pretty dope.
    Wish I could say the same for the beholder lair, whomp whomp

  • @pontusvongeijer1240
    @pontusvongeijer1240 27 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I dont know how I feel about this rules change, but as long as everyone around my table shows proper Common Courtesy Im sure everything will be fine. :3

  • @Planeswalker-Pt
    @Planeswalker-Pt 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    I miss the old set of some cards, being usable in the 99 but not as commander.

  • @derrickpaulson3093
    @derrickpaulson3093 26 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Shout out to Dragonlance! I’ve got over 200 of the books in my library. I love Drizzt, but Dragonlance and Krynn were my first love.

  • @slenderdude3969
    @slenderdude3969 22 วันที่ผ่านมา

    This is actually amazing. Commander was supposed to be casual and you're more likely to have fun playing against it than playing against an alchemy player using crap like Caldera Breaker in brawl or conjuring the power nine out of his a$$...

  • @Adobo916
    @Adobo916 27 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I was cool with the legal unfinity cards. (I love cut in half but hate stickers.) I dont understand why they couldnt just make the acorn cards silver borders for at glance understanding.

  • @dschlie6669
    @dschlie6669 27 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I was under the impression that un sets were legal in EDH

  • @ryanm9257
    @ryanm9257 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    i swear the quest title was the Charm of the BeeKeeper not Charm of the BeHolder

  • @lashermytube
    @lashermytube 22 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Where is it stated that silver cards are legal? I can't find the info anywhere. Are they legal or not?

  • @Informant777
    @Informant777 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

    Got to be honest with the expanded universe secret lair thing the silver bordered becoming legal in commander is nothing to me. Oh there is this tv show about zombies that I don't know or care about it's magic now. *shrug* checked out on that drama long time ago.

  • @user-tc9fn9ux2u
    @user-tc9fn9ux2u 22 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Silver bordered cards are not a problem unless they break the rules of the game. there are many cards of the Un-sets that could be perfectly played in EDH, I do that in some of my decks. Like, for example, Earl of Squirrel. Yes squirrellink is a weird named keyword, but the card makes complete sense in the game.

  • @crazydeadperson
    @crazydeadperson 27 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I love the idea of this tier system and how uncomplicated it is so why cant cards be banned as commander or as companion again?

  • @siegfried19888
    @siegfried19888 27 วันที่ผ่านมา

    The rules committee is the ultimate personification of a front man

  • @MrNemitri
    @MrNemitri 26 วันที่ผ่านมา

    If we have rule 0, what is the point of having a commander rule committee?!

  • @halfonbreak1429
    @halfonbreak1429 27 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Does anyone even listen to the commander committee? We do our own thing regardless of what they say and I feel its better than what they do

  • @kcrad1527
    @kcrad1527 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +7

    Good lord this means the My Little Pony commander decks are fully legal now

    • @MunchKING
      @MunchKING 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      I mean mechanics wise they weren't that wacky anyway.

    • @RoninRose541
      @RoninRose541 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      And I won’t play against anyone who pulls up to the lgs with that childish nonsense

    • @MunchKING
      @MunchKING 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      @@RoninRose541 *shrug* Your loss.

    • @slowggles
      @slowggles 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@RoninRose541 childish nonsense in a 13+ game? heaven forbid

    • @erysecret
      @erysecret 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@RoninRose541 Yeah, definitely... Anyway, mind if I get a game? I'm playing Miku, the Renowned secret lair tribal :D

  • @YarDarkwood
    @YarDarkwood 22 วันที่ผ่านมา

    There are quite a lot of silver cards that are ok for commander though wizards should reprint them in black border to diminish confusion.

  • @user-gb4jy6sp4u
    @user-gb4jy6sp4u 20 วันที่ผ่านมา

    9:45 Bro, smokestacks and winter orb are legal in commander. Cards bringing misery is not something they ban for.

  • @iudexumbra609
    @iudexumbra609 27 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I really don't think wizards could take over commander unless we let them, which would be worse than people think.

    • @yurisei6732
      @yurisei6732 23 วันที่ผ่านมา

      They already took it over when they realised they could start printing into commander. For example, I keep seeing Nadu decks where previously I would see a greater range of commanders. That feels pretty WOTC-dominated to me.

  • @colinderue8095
    @colinderue8095 27 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Commander was never meant to be anything other than casual.

  • @derrickpaulson3093
    @derrickpaulson3093 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    I figure silver boarder isn’t any more terrible than universes beyond in many ways.

  • @TheIrrelevantYT
    @TheIrrelevantYT 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Imagine focusing your entire market around Commander...then instantly ruining it with a dumb rule.

  • @OldSchoolGaming77
    @OldSchoolGaming77 27 วันที่ผ่านมา

    My opinion is that they are looking at Un stuff now because they are thinking about adding the Alchemy cards in the future.

  • @maxpelletier2237
    @maxpelletier2237 8 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Quebec players pretty much all converted to commander... It shifted card value locally.

  • @cartoonjunky9913
    @cartoonjunky9913 25 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I want silver border legality. I am a madman who just loves all of the UN-sets

  • @philipboardman1357
    @philipboardman1357 27 วันที่ผ่านมา

    @12:43 I absolutely love that artwork. Anything that looks intentionally rough; anything that looks like it could be a picture drawn by a wizard in his spell book; I just love it.
    My least favorite artwork is always the kind of artwork that looks like a screenshot from a CGI movie.

  • @os10v311
    @os10v311 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    isn't commander mostly a friendly play format? so use whatever rules/mods your play group agrees to, and if they don't allow proxies then get some new friends that don't have their heads up their arses

    • @Cybertech134
      @Cybertech134 27 วันที่ผ่านมา

      If you're the butthurt over not being able to play proxies instead of just using budget alternatives, then your friends should ditch you and find new friends.

    • @os10v311
      @os10v311 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      ​@@Cybertech134 haha nobody who's cool cares about proxies, especially in friendly games. only the weirdo smelly guys do, so they can show off how much they blown on fancy cardboard in a sad attempt to flex

    • @Cybertech134
      @Cybertech134 27 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@os10v311 "Nobody who's cool"
      What are you 12?

    • @os10v311
      @os10v311 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      ​@@Cybertech134 you don't gotta be a kid to figure out who's good to hang with and who's not. if proxies cause your panties to get in a wad...that's your problem. go play with your own kind

    • @Cybertech134
      @Cybertech134 27 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@os10v311 You're a child. No adult actually gives a shit who's "cool".

  • @maxspecs
    @maxspecs 26 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I'll be honest, a lot of modern card design makes Silver-bordered cards look tame. Don't get me started on the Universes Beyond stuff...

  • @isaacsantos6200
    @isaacsantos6200 26 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Why not put this effort in card legality into black border cards? So many cards that should be banned / unbanned that are just left to rot

  • @wallacetrottier3654
    @wallacetrottier3654 27 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Yeah I'll pick up and walk out unless ever one at the table is playing with silver only

  • @matthewharrington420
    @matthewharrington420 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    So is blacker lotus legal? Or not…

  • @PinkusTheRat
    @PinkusTheRat 27 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I remember I made an Ol' Buzzbark contraption commander deck back when it was legal for that month and kept it together for a while afterwards. Had some fun waky games with it but took it apart because i didn't feel like rolling all those dice anymore.

  • @shawnmsattler2116
    @shawnmsattler2116 27 วันที่ผ่านมา

    silver boarder Hydra doodle is a fun card, no reason to ban it, you have to pump mana into it and make it a split so put 10 in and splits into 5 off and 5 def. plus its a dice roll.

    • @christopherb501
      @christopherb501 27 วันที่ผ่านมา

      *border
      More importantly, Neverwinter Hydra is a functional reprint. You have two in the 99, now.

  • @smjsuperscott
    @smjsuperscott 25 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I mean since you used it as an example, I just don't see why people are so upset at the potential of something like Earl of Squirrel being made actually legal. It's like people hear Un and only think of dexterity and gotcha cards when stuff like dice rolling cards are totally indistinguishable from modern dice rolling cards.