Great test Ethan. Glad to see you did this from 100yrds to show the incredible expansion down range at a some what more hunting distance. Thanks for posting. “I love Muzzle Loading” too…
I think that you did an excellent job and gave us factual, visual, examples of the bullet performance of each. I recovered a Powerbelt Platinum that was even flatter than the Aerotip you showed from the chest cavity of an antelope, which I consider disappointing, considering elk and deer are much larger. I've not recovered even one of the Federal Trophy Coppers or Trophy Lead bullets. Now if you could add the Hornady Bore Driver to your test I'd have all my questions answered. Thanks for your efforts!
No tamping very good never to old to learn..just a hint dont compress blackhorn to much and try to put same amount of pressure every time and you will notice a difference..but it seems like your rifle is dialed in ..be safe good luck...
I think I've watched all of these tests. Pretty interesting! Thank you! Trying to find that balance of good exansion and pass throughs (so there's a blood trail to follow). If I can add one to your list: Harvester Scorpion PT Gold. I just bought some 260's to try at the range but I'd be curious to see how they hold up in your penetration test. I'm sure these videos are a lot of work to put together, so thanks for doing it!
After watching I don't think the 80gr of black horn is enough for the Thor it needed more velocity to expand all the way. Me personally I use 150gr of hodgen triple 7 50/50 with a powerbelt 270gr platinum and it's devastating on deer. With the heavier powder charge I have the option to shoot 225 yards and still have the bullet performance needed to kill the deer.
Thanks for watching, because I'm measuring by weight, 80 grains is just 4 grains shy of the max charge for this rifle. I think if I had one of the magnum rated Paramount rifles or a rifle from Knight, I could push a bit more powder for sure. Glad you hear you have success with your set up though.
As I'm "Black powder Crazy" !! Even though I have "Traditional" black powder rifles I'm more of an inline modern black powder obsessed. I currently have a CVA Wolf 209 Magnum and it was designed around the Black horn 209 powder .......BUT......I have found that mine will shoot a Hornady XTP 240gr. Sabot propelled by 2 (50gr) White Hot powder pellets way better !! And this is because of alot of money spent aimlessly instead of not doing in depth research before buy powder and projectiles !! Lesson learned from unnecessary spending !!!
Fun and informative video! No blabbing, crappy video work, just to the point, well done and more scientific than you give yourself credit for work! A friend of mine has recovered about a dozen of those Federal rounds from deer. They have lost most of their mass and have such a projected area they seem to end up against the far side hide. I'll stick with the PowerBelt 295's. An accurate, ethical heart lung shot will always kill them, no matter what brand of lead you shoot.
You should see the damage the Bor-lok does to a deer. Just dumped two in NY and the impact side had massive hemorrhaging. Great blood trails and a pass through on both.
@@andrewm9454 both were slightly quartered to and only one had a single petal break off. The only reason we found out the petal came off was because the heart had a petal shaped hole through it. All Copper bullets typically don't break off petals unless the shot is very close or heavy bone is encountered. The one that had a petal break off was shot at 15 yds.
@@chadwoodward2402 thanks for the reply. I think I'm sold on them. I was using the power belts but they seem to fragment no matter the distance or bone. Rib bone caused some and I had no blood trail with an excellent broadside shot.
@@andrewm9454 I won't shoot anything else. My brother and I have killed 6 bucks with them weighing any where from 143 lbs to 186 lbs. All pass throughs and all have had very easy but very short blood trails. Less the 50yds. The one in NY is the first sign of a petal breaking off but that was only noticable because the petal went through the heart. Shots have ranged from 15 yds out to 75yds. No bullets have been recovered yet. We push them with a 115 grains of blackhorn 209 so they are cooking on impact at those ranges.
I'm a little shocked that the 247gr Thor held nearly 100% weight upon recovery; that's a lot of energy transfer. Awesome video, answered some questions I had been kicking around.
WOW! Now that was impressive! Great job on this video despite all the inclement weather you faced. I plan to test those Federal Bore Lok that I purchased last year. It performed well and had great weight retention and expansion too. But the THOR Hammer was the winner for sure! Impressive expansion!
WOW! What a great video and nice job with this muzzleloader test! I've planned to do one form my channel, but never got to the Federal Bore-Loked! I had trouble loading after only five shots, using pelletized powder either Pyrodex or Triple 7, so I never got to that far in the process. But I'm definitely going to use these bullets for next years muzzleloader deer hunt!
@@charleycrawford2857 Thanks Charley! That's what everyone tells me to switch to Blackhorn 209! Will have to include this in my testing, but the pelletized powder is so convenient!
@@charleycrawford2857 I know as much as I love muzzleloader season I dread the cleaning! I bought a new CVA Accura V2 because it has an easy to remove breach plug. My old custom Thompson Center was super accurate, but took nearly two hours to clean and tow wrenches just to remove the breach plug!
Excellent camera work and consistent prep. I always put down tarps when doing any outside operation dressing deer, mechanical work, especially ballistic testing. I subscribed as am old muzzle loader help in legislation in Michigan with muzzle loading season in 70’s and behind scenes in straight wall pistol cartridge.
The last two were impressive in that the expansion was excellent. Both in the expansion and the control of expansion, because I don’t like the idea of losing pieces of bullet into the meat, but that big ole open hole could play games with accuracy. …..though you were bang on at 100! But Imagine if those first two hit a bone. It’d probably be all over the place.
this was a great vid. something i just thought of. now, obviously we always want our bullets to expand and mushroom. that will always increase their performance to the max. but i was just thinking. with a muzzleloader, the bullet is already significantly larger than a mushroomed bullet from a hunting rifle, such as a 30-06 or 7mm. so even if it didn't expand, it's doing just as much damage, if not more.
Ok for ME copper jacket bullets are all failures, they just fail! Thor would be a better option YES however I am NOT a lottery winner so I am happy with plain old lead. Great informative video. My opinion is .490 round ball is far superior to any copper jacket. That is based only on my personal experience, and the many failures I had with copper jacket bullets. As far as copper bullets IE Thor they do very well but at $30 on 15 I will stick with my lead
Got away from the powerbelts and started using full copper in my CVA this year and have been very happy with them. I would love to see a similar video with round balls and other bullet types for side locks.
I run the Bor-lok bullets and they are destructive on whitetail. We haven't recovered one yet. Just massive damage, pass throughs, weight retention and quick deaths. Exactly what I want from my bullets.
I think the most interesting thing is that in the slowed down footage, you can hear the bullets penetrating each individual jug. With ear buds on, it sounds like a string of explosions going off.
Such a great video. Muzzleloaders have so many different combinations and I think you definitely touched on a way that the average joe can test their own particular muzzleloader out with different load combinations. The only thing I would like to see in your next test would be the common load of 100grains of either pyrodex or triple7 that is commonly used during hunting. Once again great video 👍
Great video, I use lead power Belts in my inline here in Oregon and in my Hawken Woodsmen 50 caliber I use the Hornady 385 grain Great Plains lead hollow points. Oregon has extra rules for muzzleloading Hunts. Thanks for a great video.
Thank you for this comparison. Happy to see the federals did well. Thor didn't work for my as my traditions doesn't like blackhorn and you really need a clean burning powder for thor or the 2nd and 3rd shots between swabs could get jammed before they seat all the way.
I'll definitely b looking for another bullet for black powder season, I've used power belt aerotips and got my biggest buck this past year with aerotips 295grain bullet with 150grains of powder which I specifically go with for Max penetration and knockdown power and I barely penetrated the front shoulder bone and had only handful of drops of blood what's the shot being at 20 to 25 yards considering how close how much powder I use in my gun was very surprised that I didn't have much penetration can I see how some different sabbaths perform but I'm still going to stay with 150 grains of powder I was using 100 g like most hunters I may have never even found the deer add extra 50 Greens in a third pellat I think really made the difference luckily I recovered the deer the next morning
I’m planning on more than likely adding a brake to my cva. In saying that, I’ve got the Hornady boredrivers and was going to grab 2 more to test against them for best accuracy. I think this video (and the consensus) shows that the Thor hammers and federal bor lok are some of the best.
Man the elr that u recovered is kinda making me think twice on using them for this weekend muzzloading, it would be pretty cool and more accurate to see them all shot again but through a gel block to see wound Chanel and expansion
I’ve seen many of the ELR with much better expansion online in the Facebook groups, if it’s accurate in your rifle I wouldn’t sweat too much, especially based on my test! I agree on the gel block, working on that now
@@ILoveMuzzleloading well I tested it out tonight actually, 113 yards on a big doe, quarting to me and right behind sholder, complete pass through, made a decent hole in the heart but u can tell it did not expand and the exit hole was actually smaller then the entry and there was a little blood trail so I was worried but she went 30 yards and expired quickly, so it def works but there was not the blood trial I was hoping for but it did it’s job even thoe u can tell it did not open up as ur test showed
I am new to black powder guns. I have a CVA Wolf V2. I hope to use old school round balls with it. Use a packing wad or not? My intended use is within 50yds.
I broke down my answer throughout your video for best information. Please be sure to read each section, I think I can help you a little bit with what you’re doing, and make some of your shooting a little bit better with the answers given below, best of luck in the woods! I put my gun away, clean, lubricated, cork in the end, patch over the primer so everything remains nice and clean. If you’re worried about having a load in there, simply take a needle cleaner for an old Hawkins and insert that into your primer, if there’s a load in there, you will not be able to get it that deep, maybe a quarter of an inch max with a load, all the way in with no load. You can also mark your ram rod. I use three different charges, depending on how far I’m shooting and my ramrod is marked accordingly. By the way, take the caps off of the jugs, better chance of catching the bullet! Lee makes a tool for the non-plastic rounds, you have to swage your barrel and they will send you the kit, and with three squeezes of a trigger like a caulking gun you can shrink or expand your bullet to fit your bore perfectly. If you have a rifle barrel, this is important and will give you a lot more spin, resulting in less lift and drop. Measure the bullet you have the best rifle grooves in and you do not have to swage your barrel, the one that shows the exact count of your rifling, with the best cleanest marks is the exact diameter of your barrel, now you can buy specific rounds, such as .502, .505 wherever it happens to fall into the exact diameter of your barrel
I noticed that you don't shoot with the ramrod in your rifle and I discovered that it makes a difference in shot placement by not shooting with the ramrod installed but all rifles are difference and l always want to shoot the same while hunting as when target shooting or sighting in my rifle. Maybe do a test to see if it makes a difference but it did with my rifle. Thanks for your videos l really enjoy them.
Thank you for the great videos. I think I'm going to try the Federal Bore Lock out of my Traditions Pa Pellet ultralight. I don't believe I'm going to use pellets and I think I'm just going with 90 grains of 2F black powder or whatever grain weight the bullet prefers. I purchased a few packs on clearance last year and was debating on trying them but after your video I think that mushroom should do pretty good through a whitetail deer.
I discovered that shooting without the ramrod my rifle shot higher, 8 inches, than with the ramrod, l know that not all rifles are the same but I hunt with the ramrod in so when I'm sighting in or just shooting for fun always put the ramrod in the rifle, it changes the harmonicks of the barrel. 1/22/24
Great test, well done in my opinion. I'm just getting into muzzleloaders. Picked up a Traditions G4 Ultralight. Have been looking for projectile tests, thank you for doing this. I think I'm going with the Federal.
Yea don't tamp with the newer style bullets. If you tamp it could mess up the plastic tips on the bullets and mess with your trajectory. I just mark my rod to know when I have the bullet fully seated. Granted changing bullets and charge you will have to change your mark. But unless it's a round ball or doesn't have the plastic then don't tamp it lol
Good to know. Just picked up some bor locks after seeing this. This will be my first season of black powder hunting and really do want the most penetration and expansion that I can get trying to take these pigs.
The Bor-Lok are great bullets. The base has a void space between the hard plastic and the copper. Upon firing it is pushed up the shank for a tight seal. It's legal in places that don't allow sabot and with 777 I can do 20 loads without cleaning. That tan base scrapes the bore to help clean.
Looks like a ton of fun. It’s interesting how they performed differently. I enjoy shooting water jugs. It gives you some extra instant satisfaction compared punching paper. Kind of like shooting steel but with some fun destruction.
I'd say from just looking that you were shooting a CVA Accura rifle in your test? I bought a CVA Optima V2 LR a few days ago and shot it for the first time yesterday. Fired four different bullets sighting it in at gallon jugs at 250 yards. I was really surprised how well all of them shot as far as accuracy and point of impact being almost exactly the same. Two were 250 grain bullets. One the Hornaday SST Sabot, and one being the Berry's Blue Diamond Sabot. First jug died to one of those, but all hits so close I was amazed, then tried the TC Cheap shot 240 grain solid lead Hollow Point which I did not expect to shoot to the same place being blunt nosed, but it did. Then the 270 grain Federal with the Barne's solid copper bullet which also hit a jug and exploded it. This rifle came with a 3-9 Konus scope and after only two adjustments up was right on at 250 yards using the second crosshair down. I have not shot it at 100 yards as of yet but hoping it's very close with the main crosshair as it is or if anything a bit high. Firing a total of twenty-five shots I only ran a patch down the barrel about three times and loading was never a problem with any of the bullets I fired. Cleanup was very easy with that Nitride barrel. and easy to remove breech plug. I guess I failed to mention that my powder charge for all shots was three pellets of Starfire Tripple 7 pellets for a 100-grain equivalent charge. They shoot MUCH cleaner than Pyrodex powder.
@@ILoveMuzzleloading My brother shot a bear with a 295 grain Powerbelt and the bullet exploded and left fragments everywhere in the meat. I shot a similar bear with a 300 grain Hornady XTP mag and it blew right through the bear and left a hole half the size of my fist out the other side.
I'm really surprised that they all grouped together...I use the federal copper bore lock and they are the only projectile that my tradition vortek 50 cal will shoot... I tried enough projectiles out of that gun that I could have bought it three times new... I spent time lapping in the barrel changing from triple seven to blackhorn 209 and things did improve I felt comfortable taking shots at 80 to 100 yards and had 8-in groups.... Shy of turning my brand new gun into a crowbar federal bore lock came into the market and I figured I'll give one more a try and now I'm punching 3 inch groups at 250 yds every time. Also the next muzzle loader I buy will be a CVA.
I didn't think much of it, but I see a ton of folks having trouble getting their rifles to shoot just one bullet, I feel blessed mine has been working so well.
How accurate are those out of your rifle? I’d be interested in seeing how they compare for accuracy as well. I know a lot plays into getting 3-5 shots without something going astray. Either way, great video
The federal bor lock dumps its energy in everything I've shot with them deer and pigs have been DRT so if you don't want the rest of that pack I'll take em!
Impressive results, Ive been using the powerbelt 295`s for the last 6 or seven years as the 245`s were a bit to fragile on deer, they would kill them but break up to the the point where they might not exit and make one hell of a mess on the insides.
I’ve not been into muzzleloaders for very long but I’ve used the 245 areotip Powerbeats and had pretty good success but I’m wanting to try the areolite and that dang blackhorn is the only powder my rifle will ever shoot
Thanks for braving the cold & damp to produce this video. I purchased the ELRs for my CVA 50 cal pistol, but after your experimentation, I think I would prefer the performance of the Federal Power Belt or the Thor Hammer as they retained weight for penetration and expanded beautifully.
Just found your channel and subscribed. Really enjoy your vlogs. test and reviews. I started of with a TC renegade 50 cal patch and ball back in the 70s, I have a TC Encore 50 cal. and a new CVA Acuura V2 50 Cal. I just purchased two years ago. I love it! I use BH209 and Hornady SST Sabot, always looking for new bullets and reviews! Seriously considering the Bore lock bullets , just not sure which to try on deer sized game. some of the controlled expansion bullets seem better suited for larger animals such as bear, elk, or moose. Always learning. a neat tip if you want to try. using your plastic powder tube and even a plastic field flask, if you are experiencing lots of residue left in your tube, or poor pouring from your flask, take a dryer sheer and clean the inside of your tubes and flask. I think you will see a significant improvement on better and cleaner pours from your tubes. The dryer sheets removes the static electricity from inside the tubes and flask allowing for a cleaner pour. you get alot of use out of just one dryer sheet. give it a try see if you like it. 👍 Good luck, Thank you
Cool test at 100 yards thank you. When you push that ELR bullet down the barrel does the tip deform at all? It is so narrow looking at it on the video.
My ramrod tip is concave on the end to accommodate the point so it shouldn't deform, but I'm going to do some testing soon to show on video if it deforms.
One pellet should be fine for plinking, but you might not see the accuracy you want - it will depend on your distance and projectile. You can use the sabot with the projectile, that will be fine. Using no sabot might yield some inaccuracy here and there. You might try some cheaper projectiles for plinking. Always check the manufacturer reccommendations to make sure you'll be okay.
Your CVA should have come with a screw to cover that front sight mount on the barrel. If you don't have it im sure they will send you one. Great customer service. My Accura V2 didn't come with the screw and they hooked me up.
I was impressed in another one of your tests that as Kong as your powder stayed the same in brand and measure that several different bullets preformed basically the same in accuracy . So in real world conditions using the same powder in the same measure you could use different bullets and not really mess up your accuracy. That is interesting when you could use different bullets as you desire and with different penetration and expansion. It looked like the targets that the black circle was approximately a 3 inch diameter and most of the shots were within the circle. I could be satisfied with that at a 100 yards!
Great Job on showing the penetration and expansion on each round. But it might be a good idea to research what the bullet design is manufactured to do. The federal round base is designed to stay attached. When fired the base moves forward to seat against the lands and groves to provide a seal. Great round.
IF I were using an inline like you, I would pick any one of those last two, days would take down any north American big game, the first two were good but lost a lot of mass. I still prefer traditional flintlocks with round balls.
Great video. Maybe add some medium in front of the first jug. I started using denim for mine to act as a layer of fur or whatever. Feel free to check out my channel and see some of my vids. I haven’t did one of me shooting guy ML yet
I really like Blackhorn 209 for a powder myself, it's so clean. As far as bullets go, I make the videos to help supply you and other hunters with information, can't really recommend something at this time.
Powerbelts are garbage. Look at the video thumbnail. The only people putting powerbelts in their comparison videos are those who benifit financially. The rest of us threy them out after the marketing hype wore off. So overprices for thinly plated lead.
@@ILoveMuzzleloading well they should! I've enjoyed evey video of yours that I have seen. You helped get me into muzzy loading and contributed to my purchase of a cva accura lr-x .50. Unfortunately my barrel came "choked" and wasn't consistent from breech to bore. Bore riding projectiles won't work, tight at the muzzle, extremely loose on the powder charge. Dangerously loose. Sent it in and they did nothing. I want to make sure people understand exactly what they are getting. My goal with the LR-X was a multi state deer/elk muzzy. Unfortunately the choked bore means im limited to plastic encased bullets. Defeating my goal. That was soooo close to being THE perfect muzzy. Dont get me wrong with plastic encased bullets it shoots fantastic, i just wanted to use full bore conicals. My first muzzy kill was on a doe with a powerbelt 270gr ELR. If these bullets were priced to what they actually are vs priced to the marketing hype I'd be a big proponent. I find powerbelts less than ideal performers on game, adequate if you know their limitations (bone). Their plating (.005) needs to be jacketed and at around 3x if not 4x thicker with any sort of core locking system. Again they were so close to being the perfect bullet. They are a step in the right direction, but they are not the destination in my experience and opinion. It's painfull to be that close to nailing it and failing. Again just my opinion and experiences.
Liked the video could you please do the exactly the same at 150 yards and 200 yards with the same 4 bullet types, as the muzzle loading rifle is designed for hunting. Also could you do a muzzle drop target at each range as well with a 100 yard zero and also include a 50 yard target as well . Many thanks.
Why don't you use a side lock instead of an inline muzzleloading rifle a sidewalk would be a lot better than a inline I know you've got a Hawken rifle 50 caliber why don't you use that in using some of those bullets because that's what I'm going to be using this year and I've never had any problems shooting at PA type carnival bullet out of a 50 caliber black powder rifle it's made for a slow twist rifle for a 166 inch rifle twist but with the 50 caliber Hawken rifle 50 caliber you get a lot better knock down power it's made like a round ball because of late season hunts with the flintlocks rifles that they use for deer hunting out that area but you can use those type of bullets and a faster twist rifle they're made just like the Buffalo bullets from Hornady bullets but I would like to know what the muzzle velocity is on them about the same as a round ball possibly try those type of bullets
Civil war reenactor in a world war II reenactor I hunt with a with a black powder rifle I've killed more deer with a muzzleloading rifle that I have with a cartridge rifle but I would like to know what in the world is the muzzle velocity on a PA type carnival bullet from hornaday it's a 240 grain PA type carnival bullet but I would like to know what the muzzle velocity is on it I called Hornady manufacturers and tried to figure out what is the muzzle velocity on that projectile and is made for a slow twist rifle or 166-in rifle twist for the Kentucky long rifles for late season hunts I'm curious what the muzzle velocity is out of a 50 caliber Hawken rifle with 148-in rifle twist shooting 110 grains of powder to 95 grains of powder and those are the only two powder charges that I use but for target practice and I just use 60 grains in a round ball
Tip for rainy day muzzle loading : cut the finger tip off a rubber glove and cover your barrel. It blows off before the bullet exits and keeps snow from melting and fouling your powder.
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Thanks for the great video! I'd love to see a similar test with roundball; maybe .50 vs .54 vs .58
Great idea, I've got one in the works!
Great test Ethan. Glad to see you did this from 100yrds to show the incredible expansion down range at a some what more hunting distance.
Thanks for posting. “I love Muzzle Loading” too…
Thanks for watching Wayne!
I think that you did an excellent job and gave us factual, visual, examples of the bullet performance of each. I recovered a Powerbelt Platinum that was even flatter than the Aerotip you showed from the chest cavity of an antelope, which I consider disappointing, considering elk and deer are much larger. I've not recovered even one of the Federal Trophy Coppers or Trophy Lead bullets. Now if you could add the Hornady Bore Driver to your test I'd have all my questions answered. Thanks for your efforts!
Thanks John, finishing up my next video in this series this weekend. I will be featuring the Bore Driver bullets.
very cool Ethan. It would be interesting to see a similar video with roundball and different calibers.
I’ve got it in the works! Should be fun
@@ILoveMuzzleloading lookin forward to it Ethan.
Great video, im thinking about getting back into it, i have killed two Elk with my old Hawken,
Awesome job you did great showing the different types of bullets and the damage of each !!
No tamping very good never to old to learn..just a hint dont compress blackhorn to much and try to put same amount of pressure every time and you will notice a difference..but it seems like your rifle is dialed in ..be safe good luck...
I'm always willing to learn! Thanks John, I appreciate it.
I think I've watched all of these tests. Pretty interesting! Thank you! Trying to find that balance of good exansion and pass throughs (so there's a blood trail to follow). If I can add one to your list: Harvester Scorpion PT Gold. I just bought some 260's to try at the range but I'd be curious to see how they hold up in your penetration test. I'm sure these videos are a lot of work to put together, so thanks for doing it!
Thanks for the suggestion! I'll keep an eye out for those!
Great video! Super cool to see these brands before and after.
You are a busy guy! Thanks for all you are doing!
Thanks!
Ethan, try 90 grs. of 209. thats what I use in my optima with fed. borlock and gets a 2in. group !! at 100 yds.
Thanks Terri. Are you measuring by weight or by volume?
that would be volume of course! I use the regular bp measure set at 90grs. like some say,try it you'll like it!
Fantastic just bought a load of stuff from Thor!! Great video and Chanel.
Thanks!!
After watching I don't think the 80gr of black horn is enough for the Thor it needed more velocity to expand all the way. Me personally I use 150gr of hodgen triple 7 50/50 with a powerbelt 270gr platinum and it's devastating on deer. With the heavier powder charge I have the option to shoot 225 yards and still have the bullet performance needed to kill the deer.
Thanks for watching, because I'm measuring by weight, 80 grains is just 4 grains shy of the max charge for this rifle. I think if I had one of the magnum rated Paramount rifles or a rifle from Knight, I could push a bit more powder for sure. Glad you hear you have success with your set up though.
As I'm "Black powder Crazy" !! Even though I have "Traditional" black powder rifles I'm more of an inline modern black powder obsessed. I currently have a CVA Wolf 209 Magnum and it was designed around the Black horn 209 powder .......BUT......I have found that mine will shoot a Hornady XTP 240gr. Sabot propelled by 2 (50gr) White Hot powder pellets way better !! And this is because of alot of money spent aimlessly instead of not doing in depth research before buy powder and projectiles !! Lesson learned from unnecessary spending !!!
It's easy to get caught up in trying to buy new things all the time! I know that first hand. Glad you got a combo that works for you!
Great info!
Have you ever heard of or can you test the Berry’s Blue Diamond muzzleloader bullets? Thanks!
I've not heard of that brand, but I'll see if I can find some!
Fun and informative video! No blabbing, crappy video work, just to the point, well done and more scientific than you give yourself credit for work! A friend of mine has recovered about a dozen of those Federal rounds from deer. They have lost most of their mass and have such a projected area they seem to end up against the far side hide. I'll stick with the PowerBelt 295's. An accurate, ethical heart lung shot will always kill them, no matter what brand of lead you shoot.
Thanks for watching Jack!
Agreed
Awesome Video Ethan! Thanks for all you do for muzzleloading!
You should see the damage the Bor-lok does to a deer. Just dumped two in NY and the impact side had massive hemorrhaging. Great blood trails and a pass through on both.
Could I ask where the hit location was and did bone cause large fragmentation of the bullet?
@@andrewm9454 both were slightly quartered to and only one had a single petal break off. The only reason we found out the petal came off was because the heart had a petal shaped hole through it. All Copper bullets typically don't break off petals unless the shot is very close or heavy bone is encountered. The one that had a petal break off was shot at 15 yds.
@@chadwoodward2402 thanks for the reply. I think I'm sold on them. I was using the power belts but they seem to fragment no matter the distance or bone. Rib bone caused some and I had no blood trail with an excellent broadside shot.
@@andrewm9454 I won't shoot anything else. My brother and I have killed 6 bucks with them weighing any where from 143 lbs to 186 lbs. All pass throughs and all have had very easy but very short blood trails. Less the 50yds. The one in NY is the first sign of a petal breaking off but that was only noticable because the petal went through the heart. Shots have ranged from 15 yds out to 75yds. No bullets have been recovered yet. We push them with a 115 grains of blackhorn 209 so they are cooking on impact at those ranges.
@@chadwoodward2402 thanks for the info I'll be purchasing a pack soon for next year. Thanks again and happy hunting to you and the others.
I'm a little shocked that the 247gr Thor held nearly 100% weight upon recovery; that's a lot of energy transfer. Awesome video, answered some questions I had been kicking around.
Thank you. More one the way.
WOW! Now that was impressive! Great job on this video despite all the inclement weather you faced. I plan to test those Federal Bore Lok that I purchased last year. It performed well and had great weight retention and expansion too. But the THOR Hammer was the winner for sure! Impressive expansion!
Have fun!
WOW! What a great video and nice job with this muzzleloader test! I've planned to do one form my channel, but never got to the Federal Bore-Loked! I had trouble loading after only five shots, using pelletized powder either Pyrodex or Triple 7, so I never got to that far in the process. But I'm definitely going to use these bullets for next years muzzleloader deer hunt!
Thanks Ron!
Get blackhorn you will not regret it
@@charleycrawford2857 Thanks Charley! That's what everyone tells me to switch to Blackhorn 209! Will have to include this in my testing, but the pelletized powder is so convenient!
Pellets are easy to use but a pain in the ass to clean and the accuracy you'll gain is well worth it.
@@charleycrawford2857 I know as much as I love muzzleloader season I dread the cleaning! I bought a new CVA Accura V2 because it has an easy to remove breach plug. My old custom Thompson Center was super accurate, but took nearly two hours to clean and tow wrenches just to remove the breach plug!
Do some more flintlock shooting. Would love to see a traditions flintlock video. I just picked one up myself. A Hawken.
Thanks! More Flintlock shooting on the way. I don't have a Traditions Flintlock, but I bet I can get a hold of one. Thanks for watching!
Thanks for your comment back man. Shows the community how much you care
Excellent camera work and consistent prep. I always put down tarps when doing any outside operation dressing deer, mechanical work, especially ballistic testing. I subscribed as am old muzzle loader help in legislation in Michigan with muzzle loading season in 70’s and behind scenes in straight wall pistol cartridge.
The last two were impressive in that the expansion was excellent. Both in the expansion and the control of expansion, because I don’t like the idea of losing pieces of bullet into the meat, but that big ole open hole could play games with accuracy. …..though you were bang on at 100! But Imagine if those first two hit a bone. It’d probably be all over the place.
this was a great vid.
something i just thought of. now, obviously we always want our bullets to expand and mushroom. that will always increase their performance to the max. but i was just thinking. with a muzzleloader, the bullet is already significantly larger than a mushroomed bullet from a hunting rifle, such as a 30-06 or 7mm. so even if it didn't expand, it's doing just as much damage, if not more.
I’d have to agree with you. It’s hard to find a center fire cartridge this heavy. These aren’t moving as fast but they hit hard I think.
Ok for ME copper jacket bullets are all failures, they just fail! Thor would be a better option YES however I am NOT a lottery winner so I am happy with plain old lead. Great informative video. My opinion is .490 round ball is far superior to any copper jacket. That is based only on my personal experience, and the many failures I had with copper jacket bullets. As far as copper bullets IE Thor they do very well but at $30 on 15 I will stick with my lead
Got away from the powerbelts and started using full copper in my CVA this year and have been very happy with them.
I would love to see a similar video with round balls and other bullet types for side locks.
Thanks Robert, I have more on the way
Powerbelts are softer for sure but the bigger the mushroom the more the damage
@@justinlloyd9342 I've had penetration issues with powerbelt on bone, I switched to copper as well.
I run the Bor-lok bullets and they are destructive on whitetail. We haven't recovered one yet. Just massive damage, pass throughs, weight retention and quick deaths. Exactly what I want from my bullets.
I may have try to find some of the federal bullets if my gun likes them I’ll give them a go
I think the most interesting thing is that in the slowed down footage, you can hear the bullets penetrating each individual jug.
With ear buds on, it sounds like a string of explosions going off.
Great observation Daniel.
Such a great video. Muzzleloaders have so many different combinations and I think you definitely touched on a way that the average joe can test their own particular muzzleloader out with different load combinations. The only thing I would like to see in your next test would be the common load of 100grains of either pyrodex or triple7 that is commonly used during hunting. Once again great video 👍
Thanks for the feedback! I've got some of the other substitutes on the way to test out in both my modern and traditional muzzleloaders.
Test out the Lehigh Defense Extreme Penetrator.
Great video, I use lead power Belts in my inline here in Oregon and in my Hawken Woodsmen 50 caliber I use the Hornady 385 grain Great Plains lead hollow points. Oregon has extra rules for muzzleloading Hunts. Thanks for a great video.
The bore lok really impressed me. I’ve been contemplating getting an accura mr-x so seeing this makes me wanna make another excuse to why I need one 😂
Thanks for watching! I'm a big fan of my Accura.
Thank you for this comparison. Happy to see the federals did well. Thor didn't work for my as my traditions doesn't like blackhorn and you really need a clean burning powder for thor or the 2nd and 3rd shots between swabs could get jammed before they seat all the way.
I'll definitely b looking for another bullet for black powder season, I've used power belt aerotips and got my biggest buck this past year with aerotips 295grain bullet with 150grains of powder which I specifically go with for Max penetration and knockdown power and I barely penetrated the front shoulder bone and had only handful of drops of blood what's the shot being at 20 to 25 yards considering how close how much powder I use in my gun was very surprised that I didn't have much penetration can I see how some different sabbaths perform but I'm still going to stay with 150 grains of powder I was using 100 g like most hunters I may have never even found the deer add extra 50 Greens in a third pellat I think really made the difference luckily I recovered the deer the next morning
I’m planning on more than likely adding a brake to my cva. In saying that, I’ve got the Hornady boredrivers and was going to grab 2 more to test against them for best accuracy. I think this video (and the consensus) shows that the Thor hammers and federal bor lok are some of the best.
The expansion on the Federal and Thor was amazing to see!
I was certainly impressed!
Great video the federal and Thor bullet would be my choice I'll bet they tear up Alot of meat let's see this fall
Man the elr that u recovered is kinda making me think twice on using them for this weekend muzzloading, it would be pretty cool and more accurate to see them all shot again but through a gel block to see wound Chanel and expansion
I’ve seen many of the ELR with much better expansion online in the Facebook groups, if it’s accurate in your rifle I wouldn’t sweat too much, especially based on my test!
I agree on the gel block, working on that now
@@ILoveMuzzleloading well I tested it out tonight actually, 113 yards on a big doe, quarting to me and right behind sholder, complete pass through, made a decent hole in the heart but u can tell it did not expand and the exit hole was actually smaller then the entry and there was a little blood trail so I was worried but she went 30 yards and expired quickly, so it def works but there was not the blood trial I was hoping for but it did it’s job even thoe u can tell it did not open up as ur test showed
Yes it seems like that bullet is a little too hard for deer
I am new to black powder guns. I have a CVA Wolf V2. I hope to use old school round balls with it. Use a packing wad or not? My
intended use is within 50yds.
I broke down my answer throughout your video for best information. Please be sure to read each section, I think I can help you a little bit with what you’re doing, and make some of your shooting a little bit better with the answers given below, best of luck in the woods!
I put my gun away, clean, lubricated, cork in the end, patch over the primer so everything remains nice and clean. If you’re worried about having a load in there, simply take a needle cleaner for an old Hawkins and insert that into your primer, if there’s a load in there, you will not be able to get it that deep, maybe a quarter of an inch max with a load, all the way in with no load. You can also mark your ram rod. I use three different charges, depending on how far I’m shooting and my ramrod is marked accordingly.
By the way, take the caps off of the jugs, better chance of catching the bullet!
Lee makes a tool for the non-plastic rounds, you have to swage your barrel and they will send you the kit, and with three squeezes of a trigger like a caulking gun you can shrink or expand your bullet to fit your bore perfectly. If you have a rifle barrel, this is important and will give you a lot more spin, resulting in less lift and drop. Measure the bullet you have the best rifle grooves in and you do not have to swage your barrel, the one that shows the exact count of your rifling, with the best cleanest marks is the exact diameter of your barrel, now you can buy specific rounds, such as .502, .505 wherever it happens to fall into the exact diameter of your barrel
Those were some excellent examples of of expansion! Very cool look at the projectiles
I noticed that you don't shoot with the ramrod in your rifle and I discovered that it makes a difference in shot placement by not shooting with the ramrod installed but all rifles are difference and l always want to shoot the same while hunting as when target shooting or sighting in my rifle. Maybe do a test to see if it makes a difference but it did with my rifle. Thanks for your videos l really enjoy them.
Thank you for the great videos. I think I'm going to try the Federal Bore Lock out of my Traditions Pa Pellet ultralight. I don't believe I'm going to use pellets and I think I'm just going with 90 grains of 2F black powder or whatever grain weight the bullet prefers. I purchased a few packs on clearance last year and was debating on trying them but after your video I think that mushroom should do pretty good through a whitetail deer.
I discovered that shooting without the ramrod my rifle shot higher, 8 inches, than with the ramrod, l know that not all rifles are the same but I hunt with the ramrod in so when I'm sighting in or just shooting for fun always put the ramrod in the rifle, it changes the harmonicks of the barrel. 1/22/24
Looks like Thor will be my elk load
Great test, well done in my opinion. I'm just getting into muzzleloaders. Picked up a Traditions G4 Ultralight. Have been looking for projectile tests, thank you for doing this. I think I'm going with the Federal.
Thanks 👍 I just got a few more projectiles in, hoping to test more soon. Welcome to muzzleloading!
Yea don't tamp with the newer style bullets. If you tamp it could mess up the plastic tips on the bullets and mess with your trajectory. I just mark my rod to know when I have the bullet fully seated. Granted changing bullets and charge you will have to change your mark. But unless it's a round ball or doesn't have the plastic then don't tamp it lol
Looks like acceptable performance on all. 3 jugs is about the average chest width of a deer
Good to know. Just picked up some bor locks after seeing this. This will be my first season of black powder hunting and really do want the most penetration and expansion that I can get trying to take these pigs.
The Bor-Lok are great bullets. The base has a void space between the hard plastic and the copper. Upon firing it is pushed up the shank for a tight seal. It's legal in places that don't allow sabot and with 777 I can do 20 loads without cleaning. That tan base scrapes the bore to help clean.
Looks like a ton of fun. It’s interesting how they performed differently. I enjoy shooting water jugs. It gives you some extra instant satisfaction compared punching paper. Kind of like shooting steel but with some fun destruction.
Definitely! I figure the jugs can go to the recycling center all the same after I shoot em
I'd say from just looking that you were shooting a CVA Accura rifle in your test? I bought a CVA Optima V2 LR a few days ago and shot it for the first time yesterday. Fired four different bullets sighting it in at gallon jugs at 250 yards. I was really surprised how well all of them shot as far as accuracy and point of impact being almost exactly the same. Two were 250 grain bullets. One the Hornaday SST Sabot, and one being the Berry's Blue Diamond Sabot. First jug died to one of those, but all hits so close I was amazed, then tried the TC Cheap shot 240 grain solid lead Hollow Point which I did not expect to shoot to the same place being blunt nosed, but it did. Then the 270 grain Federal with the Barne's solid copper bullet which also hit a jug and exploded it. This rifle came with a 3-9 Konus scope and after only two adjustments up was right on at 250 yards using the second crosshair down. I have not shot it at 100 yards as of yet but hoping it's very close with the main crosshair as it is or if anything a bit high. Firing a total of twenty-five shots I only ran a patch down the barrel about three times and loading was never a problem with any of the bullets I fired. Cleanup was very easy with that Nitride barrel. and easy to remove breech plug. I guess I failed to mention that my powder charge for all shots was three pellets of Starfire Tripple 7 pellets for a 100-grain equivalent charge. They shoot MUCH cleaner than Pyrodex powder.
I never had very good luck with powerbelt bullets.the plastic piece on the bottom was always cut lopsided at the factory
Really good comparison test. Way better than most. Keep them coming.
Thank you!
Powerbelt bullets are garbage on game. They may kill a deer, but they are far from a good choice in my opinion.
Thanks for sharing
@@ILoveMuzzleloading My brother shot a bear with a 295 grain Powerbelt and the bullet exploded and left fragments everywhere in the meat. I shot a similar bear with a 300 grain Hornady XTP mag and it blew right through the bear and left a hole half the size of my fist out the other side.
Ive gone back to solid lead in sabots
That borelock looks exactly like Barnes expander . I think Federal bought Barnes and that's where the borelock matches up with a Barnes expander
I am of the generation of work the load. What is the best load for Warren's rifle might be a nightmare in Paul's rifle and vice-versa
Get rid of powerbelts and test barnes tez. Might as welll test decent hunting bullets. Only powerbelt worth shooting is the ELR and they are mediocre
I'm really surprised that they all grouped together...I use the federal copper bore lock and they are the only projectile that my tradition vortek 50 cal will shoot... I tried enough projectiles out of that gun that I could have bought it three times new... I spent time lapping in the barrel changing from triple seven to blackhorn 209 and things did improve I felt comfortable taking shots at 80 to 100 yards and had 8-in groups.... Shy of turning my brand new gun into a crowbar federal bore lock came into the market and I figured I'll give one more a try and now I'm punching 3 inch groups at 250 yds every time. Also the next muzzle loader I buy will be a CVA.
I didn't think much of it, but I see a ton of folks having trouble getting their rifles to shoot just one bullet, I feel blessed mine has been working so well.
How accurate are those out of your rifle? I’d be interested in seeing how they compare for accuracy as well. I know a lot plays into getting 3-5 shots without something going astray. Either way, great video
Thanks bud! Looking to release a side by side accuracy test, as well as I can, very soon.
Great videos! I would love to see some ballistic gel tests with the cva paramount 45 with different bullets.
Thanks Jeremy. Someday I'll save up enough for some gel and a paramount.
I'll let you know how a powerbelt 245gr works on 10/21 ...In Arkansas
At 5:52 you can see the ELR come out and fall on the ground next to the jugs.
Good eye ;)
I'll save the leaded bullets for plinking but I'll use the unleaded rounds for hunting , lol .
The federal bor lock dumps its energy in everything I've shot with them deer and pigs have been DRT so if you don't want the rest of that pack I'll take em!
DRT!! Love it. I have a few more ideas to test with it, I’ll let you know if I have extra ;)
Impressive results, Ive been using the powerbelt 295`s for the last 6 or seven years as the 245`s were a bit to fragile on deer, they would kill them but break up to the the point where they might not exit and make one hell of a mess on the insides.
I've heard that about the Powerbelts, some love em, some don't. They work good on milk jugs though, haha
I’ve not been into muzzleloaders for very long but I’ve used the 245 areotip Powerbeats and had pretty good success but I’m wanting to try the areolite and that dang blackhorn is the only powder my rifle will ever shoot
Thanks for braving the cold & damp to produce this video. I purchased the ELRs for my CVA 50 cal pistol, but after your experimentation, I think I would prefer the performance of the Federal Power Belt or the Thor Hammer as they retained weight for penetration and expanded beautifully.
Thanks for watching!
Not a fair comparison, need to use the same bullet weight across the board
I have used the federal copper borlock on whitetail and got great expansion at 200 yards with 110 grains pyrodex.
Do you measure or weigh the pyrodex?
Just found your channel and subscribed. Really enjoy your vlogs. test and reviews. I started of with a TC renegade 50 cal patch and ball back in the 70s, I have a TC Encore 50 cal. and a new CVA Acuura V2 50 Cal. I just purchased two years ago. I love it! I use BH209 and Hornady SST Sabot, always looking for new bullets and reviews! Seriously considering the Bore lock bullets , just not sure which to try on deer sized game. some of the controlled expansion bullets seem better suited for larger animals such as bear, elk, or moose. Always learning. a neat tip if you want to try. using your plastic powder tube and even a plastic field flask, if you are experiencing lots of residue left in your tube, or poor pouring from your flask, take a dryer sheer and clean the inside of your tubes and flask. I think you will see a significant improvement on better and cleaner pours from your tubes. The dryer sheets removes the static electricity from inside the tubes and flask allowing for a cleaner pour. you get alot of use out of just one dryer sheet. give it a try see if you like it. 👍 Good luck, Thank you
Thanks Rodney!
well
done, ill be sticking w my 150grain of white hots w the Thor after watching this... thanks man
Thanks for watching!
Cool test at 100 yards thank you. When you push that ELR bullet down the barrel does the tip deform at all? It is so narrow looking at it on the video.
My ramrod tip is concave on the end to accommodate the point so it shouldn't deform, but I'm going to do some testing soon to show on video if it deforms.
They come with a plastic tip that screws into ram rod ,
Never again will i hunt with ELR's for elk.
Can I use (1) powder pellet for plinking?....or 2 powder pellets?
Can I use sabot cups with bullet or is it ok to use without?
One pellet should be fine for plinking, but you might not see the accuracy you want - it will depend on your distance and projectile.
You can use the sabot with the projectile, that will be fine. Using no sabot might yield some inaccuracy here and there. You might try some cheaper projectiles for plinking. Always check the manufacturer reccommendations to make sure you'll be okay.
Your CVA should have come with a screw to cover that front sight mount on the barrel. If you don't have it im sure they will send you one. Great customer service. My Accura V2 didn't come with the screw and they hooked me up.
Thanks I’ll check that out
Add a number to cap of each jug of water, then you know for sure the order!
I was impressed in another one of your tests that as Kong as your powder stayed the same in brand and measure that several different bullets preformed basically the same in accuracy . So in real world conditions using the same powder in the same measure you could use different bullets and not really mess up your accuracy. That is interesting when you could use different bullets as you desire and with different penetration and expansion. It looked like the targets that the black circle was approximately a 3 inch diameter and most of the shots were within the circle. I could be satisfied with that at a 100 yards!
Thanks John! That was a fun test!
Great Job on showing the penetration and expansion on each round. But it might be a good idea to research what the bullet design is manufactured to do. The federal round base is designed to stay attached. When fired the base moves forward to seat against the lands and groves to provide a seal. Great round.
Excellent point Russell! I need to do more research for sure
What kind of primers were you using? Obviously 209, but which manufacturer
These are the standard Federal Shot Shell Primers
IF I were using an inline like you, I would pick any one of those last two, days would take down any north American big game, the first two were good but lost a lot of mass. I still prefer traditional flintlocks with round balls.
Thanks for watching John.
Great video. Maybe add some medium in front of the first jug. I started using denim for mine to act as a layer of fur or whatever. Feel free to check out my channel and see some of my vids. I haven’t did one of me shooting guy ML yet
Jus sayin….but you center shot all those jugs at 100 yards…….I think that’s damn good shooting!
Thanks man! Appreciate that!
I’ve seen that the Thor bullets are rifle bore specific. You need to buy a sizing pack of bullets .
That is correct
I have a CVA Accura MR. What bullet and powder combo would you suggest?
I really like Blackhorn 209 for a powder myself, it's so clean. As far as bullets go, I make the videos to help supply you and other hunters with information, can't really recommend something at this time.
Ethan your videos rock plain and simple to the point. I will be following you since we are just getting inti muzzel loading
Thank you Joe, I don't like to beat around the bush!
Another good job back expansion on all those are blood trail for deer or hogs and they all shoot pretty straight
Thanks Shannon!
Would like to see some classic sabots like the Hornady, scorpion hard cast lead, and Barnes to compare to your testing
Thanks! I have some Hornady Bore Drivers that just came in. Will see about finding more for the next test.
Powerbelts are garbage. Look at the video thumbnail. The only people putting powerbelts in their comparison videos are those who benifit financially. The rest of us threy them out after the marketing hype wore off. So overprices for thinly plated lead.
No one pays me for these videos.
@@ILoveMuzzleloading well they should! I've enjoyed evey video of yours that I have seen. You helped get me into muzzy loading and contributed to my purchase of a cva accura lr-x .50. Unfortunately my barrel came "choked" and wasn't consistent from breech to bore. Bore riding projectiles won't work, tight at the muzzle, extremely loose on the powder charge. Dangerously loose. Sent it in and they did nothing. I want to make sure people understand exactly what they are getting. My goal with the LR-X was a multi state deer/elk muzzy. Unfortunately the choked bore means im limited to plastic encased bullets. Defeating my goal. That was soooo close to being THE perfect muzzy. Dont get me wrong with plastic encased bullets it shoots fantastic, i just wanted to use full bore conicals. My first muzzy kill was on a doe with a powerbelt 270gr ELR. If these bullets were priced to what they actually are vs priced to the marketing hype I'd be a big proponent. I find powerbelts less than ideal performers on game, adequate if you know their limitations (bone). Their plating (.005) needs to be jacketed and at around 3x if not 4x thicker with any sort of core locking system. Again they were so close to being the perfect bullet. They are a step in the right direction, but they are not the destination in my experience and opinion. It's painfull to be that close to nailing it and failing. Again just my opinion and experiences.
Liked the video could you please do the exactly the same at 150 yards and 200 yards with the same 4 bullet types, as the muzzle loading rifle is designed for hunting. Also could you do a muzzle drop target at each range as well with a 100 yard zero and also include a 50 yard target as well . Many thanks.
Thanks David, I'll do my best to address your requests, I'm happy to do some more shooting. Thanks for watching and have a Merry Christmas.
Thank you for replying and a Merry Christmas from the United Kingdom 🇬🇧.
Why don't you use a side lock instead of an inline muzzleloading rifle a sidewalk would be a lot better than a inline I know you've got a Hawken rifle 50 caliber why don't you use that in using some of those bullets because that's what I'm going to be using this year and I've never had any problems shooting at PA type carnival bullet out of a 50 caliber black powder rifle it's made for a slow twist rifle for a 166 inch rifle twist but with the 50 caliber Hawken rifle 50 caliber you get a lot better knock down power it's made like a round ball because of late season hunts with the flintlocks rifles that they use for deer hunting out that area but you can use those type of bullets and a faster twist rifle they're made just like the Buffalo bullets from Hornady bullets but I would like to know what the muzzle velocity is on them about the same as a round ball possibly try those type of bullets
I'll be using more traditional muzzleloaders in these tests this summer. Thanks for watching!
Civil war reenactor in a world war II reenactor I hunt with a with a black powder rifle I've killed more deer with a muzzleloading rifle that I have with a cartridge rifle but I would like to know what in the world is the muzzle velocity on a PA type carnival bullet from hornaday it's a 240 grain PA type carnival bullet but I would like to know what the muzzle velocity is on it I called Hornady manufacturers and tried to figure out what is the muzzle velocity on that projectile and is made for a slow twist rifle or 166-in rifle twist for the Kentucky long rifles for late season hunts I'm curious what the muzzle velocity is out of a 50 caliber Hawken rifle with 148-in rifle twist shooting 110 grains of powder to 95 grains of powder and those are the only two powder charges that I use but for target practice and I just use 60 grains in a round ball
Good video and excellent job keeping the test the same for each bullet. May have to buy the federal bor loks
Thanks for watching Andrew. Working on testing some more bullets soon
Should have included the power belt 348grain bullets as well
Thanks Austin, I'll do some more looking for those!
Honestly civil war muzzleloader bullets were more technology advanced than what people are using nowadays
smooth brain comment of the day
I bet the weight of your ramrod can't push your cheap ass modern bullets all the way down the barrel like the prichet bullet
Tip for rainy day muzzle loading : cut the finger tip off a rubber glove and cover your barrel. It blows off before the bullet exits and keeps snow from melting and fouling your powder.
I'll have to try that
You can also use small balloons
You could hear the bullet hit each wall of the jugs
Interesting video thanks
Glad you enjoyed it
Damn. Great video. Satisfying to see a bullet after flight. Great job. 👍
Thank you
Power belts rattle down my barrels....no thanks
I've used the federal b.o.r they work great on deer