I’m so glad I’m not the only one who noticed that the timeline is completely off!! It also didn’t even make sense last season because after Bunny’s murder, which took place in 2021 (because her murder took place directly after they solved the Tim Kono case and his toxicology report said his murder happened in January 2021) it says the play happened a year later which means it would’ve been in 2022 but then we see the opening night was in 2023 according to the review. I think the writers have not given much logical thought to this😂😂
@@sophiacharlotte omg i didn't even realize this was a problem from the beginning 😂 especially with a murder mystery we shouldn't have to worry about the time line being wonky because timing and dates could 100% be clues! So annoying!!
I think Bev was Sazz’s west coast lover. Bev wanted Sazz to stop doing stunt work and knew she wouldn’t unless Charles was out of the picture. So she’s been plotting to kill Charles but mistakenly got Sazz.
In the beginning, Oliver said that if you don't face your fears, then your fears will eat your face. Charles is "the face" to Sazz. So what is Sazz's fear?
@@SavageThrifter that's a really good observation, according to Jan sazz was really worried about something relating to all this the day of her death so something definitely had her worried / potentially fearful
Sink apples!!! (TM) 😃 That was me! 😊 Thanks for the “insider” shoutout. ❤ Glad to hear there’s an explanation for them. 😂 (The unexpected mystery of the season: Why sink apples? 😉) Also, I’ve meant to say I love how the Clue music, which I commented on the first time you used it last season, has unofficially become a thing. 😊 Your videos are so fun! ❤
@@Jillian_Paige I'm so glad sink apples are not yet another cursed type of food in this season because we already have too much! Thanks for watching and for your comments it really means a lot :) more clue references to come!!
Abraham Lincoln in the background alot and when Charles was trying to get information from the bar tender the only president he named was Lincoln on the $5 bill. The rest he just said $1 $20 ect... So are they pointing at and actor? The bar was in existence since the civil rights act and Lincoln issued the Emancipation Proclamation in 1963 and I have 0 idea what any of this means for the death of sazz hands. Lol I need more coffee. Great vids, I look forward to them every week
@@ericrush-bw3cl I caught that about the five dollar bill as well and got super excited because I love a good Abraham Lincoln reference! I have a quote of his tattooed on my arm haha so if this is all intentional I would love it. Also great connection about civil rights and Lincoln. Thanks so much for watching :)
Thanks for the reply!!! 🙂 Lincoln seems to be hinting at something and that's awesome you have a Abraham Lincoln quote tattooed on you. Keep up the great content. I look forward to it every week while I go to work
@@ericrush-bw3cl that means so much thanks for tuning in! I have seen people say maybe it means an actor is trying to get at Charles and given how many people are connected to Hollywood that would make a ton of sense!
Again (back to back commenting here), there’s something with Howard just can’t tell what. There’s something bigger with this Animal Jobs podcast. Not sure if it’s just a set up to find out the pigs job, or if there’s something larger at work.
@@visualoo1918 definitely think the pigs job had to be a clue as well as his dog Gravey, but I can't go fully to the point of thinking he's a mastermind or anything. We've seen too much evidence to contradict that in my brain but also for sure can't help but suspect that man!
I have some WILD thoughts so this comment will be long 😂 I was just thinking that Howard being nervous when someone slipped the flyer under the door makes it seem like the westies really aren’t involved in of the murder plot. Maybe he knows the murder plot has nothing to do with Dudenoff or their rent control scheme, so that would make him legitimately nervous if it really was Dudenoff that showed up while he was there. Maybe he would be nervous squatting in this apartment because he doesn’t want to be involved in any of that but still wants to be involved with the trio and this was the only way they would let him help. I keep trying to go back to the first episode of S1 to see if howard or Jan showed up later at the restaurant somewhere in the background and were eavesdropping on the trio. Maybe Jan was a full on psychopath but not a murderer. What if Jan and Howard had a brief elevator affair before Tim Kono where they bonded over psychopathic ideas, and she agreed to take credit for the murder, either because she really likes the sick attention that comes from the notoriety of being a murderer or maybe Howard payed her to take the fall. That seems unlikely though. Maybe Howard and Jan were or are in a real relationship and when she started a fling with Tim Howard got jealous and killed him but Jan took the fall. Now he’s trying to first frame Charles for murder in season 2, and when that didn’t work he tried to kill him in season 3. He could pull off a sniper shot even with his fear of blood. I know all of these ideas are quantum leaps (please reconsider Scott Bakula as the mastermind) but with all the unanswered questions from each season the clues have to be leading somewhere right? And it just all comes back to season 1 with the cat paw prints as the very first clue, and Jan’s insistence to take another look at Howard even though big Teddy D. was their main suspect at the time. Maybe both Jan and Howard are the moriarty suspects. Who said it just has to be one mastermind?
@@Jinxed222 if jan and Howard had an affair I will need my therapist on speed dial ASAP 😭 that said I think it was so weird Jan was detailing to have everyone look at Howard over teddy when neither option would really point to her. If she kept a low profile and agreed with their direction she would have been even less sus. So I always wondered why she did that
I agree that the way they reveal information makes all 3 look terrible at solving anything. I am a graduate of Dick Wolfe university and would have checked on who is on the leases, who pays, who gets mail etc immediately. also what about this crime makes it the FBI and not the police? ep 4 is called the stuntman and that movie has a running theme that everything is not what it seemed. also that stuntman was having an affair with the hair makeup lady. I wonder if the relationship Sazz couldnt get out of was Cookie or maybe even Joy. episode 1 was named after a movie where part of the plot had to do with land rights. who inherits Sazz's land? finally next weeks episode is named after the movie Adaptation which stars Meryl Streep and she's having a secret affair in that movie.
@@lisa-lisa-lisa I love Loretta but if next week is alluding to her cheating on Oliver, we riot at dawn! I also am so confused as to why the FBI is taking this case over the other ones. Maybe due to the nature of the murder weapon, maybe given this is the fourth death at the arconia, who knows but it is strange!
@@kitkatz3859 I assume the murder is tied with a monetary crime/fraud like mail fraud, wire fraud, mortgage fraud etc. of course the 3 wont ask until the end of episode 10
1. I know it was “half baked” but I enjoyed your take on Howard and that provided a ton of perspective 👍 2. I’ve been trying to figure out the motive and I can only rule things out. Avenge - is there anyone he hurt that would have an avenger? Maybe Ben glenroy given their rocky past, and his stuntman wanted to kill Charles to pay respects? Longshot, unlikely. Protector- would killing Charles protect someone? Maybe sazz given the pain she was in? I think the problem with this is that being a stuntwoman is what she’s always wanted to do and she loved doing that for Charles. So it would be bad, almost evil, to rip her dream (and friend) away that she chose herself. Money- the only monetary value would be in killing Sazz - a stunt person job may be available. But no one we met looks like her. Those are my thoughts so far. Tricky season indeed
@@Nick-db1zp i think it's really helpful to look at motives as you did by breaking down the different types of motives we would see in this type of story!
I think the murderer is somebody that used to live in the building, but I also hate Charles, but doesn’t Charles don’t really remember him offhand for him to not really know who he is, but somebody used to work in bravos as well by the similar bravos to bravo at one point in time
Ok so, no one else seems to be mentioning this but it seems obvious to me: Fake Sazz says they’re doing something with Backula. Charles then meets Backula, who confirms this, and his concern for Sazz. I don’t remember Sazz ever actually mentioning working with him though.
I have a feeling that Scott Bakula and Joy could be the killers. Scott could have been the shooter and Joy cleans the mess. Scott could have also poisoned Olivers dog because Oliver kept rejecting his auditions. Also Scott says Joy sent him a photo, maybe it was a photo of the crime seen all cleaned up and the reason he couldn't show Charles was that he would recognise the room was his apartment. Scott and Joy are the only 2 people we know that knows that Sazz was stunting for Scott in LA so they could be working together to get revenge on Charles
Another thing I was thinking on Scott was that he could be Charles brother, we know that the show keeps hinting 'brothers' to us and that Charles dad liked to sleep around. Maybe Scott is jealous of Charles getting the Brazzos act instead of him, he could have also been trying to buy the painting off Bunny because it had his father on it and that's who we saw Bunny talking to at the diner. He could also be the murder that was unsolved, maybe he was aiming for Charles but missed and accidentally hit somebody else instead @@kitkatz3859
So, I just realized that maybe there may be a clue in the name Dudenoff. "Dude" no "ff". Two females instead of 1 male? There are countless references to 2 people or doubles throughout the show.
Also Ben's stunt double took an apple out of the dumpster and ate it. Not sure how apple's are important to the story other than some kind of biblical hint idk but I feel like the killer is definitely going to be someone in the stunt community. Is Sazz's dad, Slim, still alive cause idk I just feel like he is important
Was looking forward to this video 🤩. I absolutely agree with you. There are far too many cameo appearances in this season. The stunt double for Ben Glenroy should have been a different actor. Paul Rudd again would only make sense to me if it turned out that Ben wasn't dead after all, but I wouldn't like that idea. Also, the whole Finsta/Lorretta side quest would be pointless if it had nothing to do with solving the case. I'm much more interested in the whereabouts of Oliver's dog and Howard's boyfriend and his cat 😅
@@shiraparaguas9273 would love to see a spinoff of Jonathan oscar Uma Mrs. Gambolini winnie and mabel's aunt all chilling somewhere in the arconia 😂 I've seen people theorize Ben faked his death and I agree I would hate that, I think at the very least Glen is maybe being paid off to do something by someone else, maybe he was bribed to try and bonk Charles on the head with a real bottle because he's hard up for work and needs the money
I’m assuming because the west side of the building is for renters only they probably don’t pay to have doorman services etc. I could be wrong but that seems like a privilege the easties get from their building dues. I could totally be wrong but there’s been no mention of any kind of westie Lester figure. The west tower also seems to be a littler dingy compared to the east where they own their units. Also, can we just stop for one moment and think back to season 1. Zoe’s family owned the entire 11th floor and not once did the trio ever go there to talk with her parents after finding out Oscar didn’t kill Zoe. I just think it’s weird that link was never investigated. What’s on the 11th floor?! Now back to season 4….
@@kitkatz3859you are absolutely my favorite TH-camr making omitb content. Your theories and the way you present the information is so fun to watch! I’m really hoping the more likes and comments us fans leave you, the more this channel will grow because you deserve it!
@@Jinxed222literally this comment made my day, thank you so much for your comments it's the absolute most fun part of making these videos. I had such a hard time picking which of your comments I wanted to include in this video because they were all so great! ♥️♥️♥️♥️
@@athenaistorgeman5440 Howard doesn't date flops that get stage fright on opening night I guess 🫠 the timelines and weird continuity issues of this season so far are wild
Double P media brought up that we have no idea about which hallway Howard found the little piggy. Did the piggy leave the west Tower and somehow ended up at the East Tower or did Howard go into the west Tower? Also, where is Gravey? Is she not needed anymore because we only needed her to point out a murder? This episode was ok and it was great to see Paul Rudd.
@@nicki1050 I am really gonna be annoyed if Gravey is introduced only to find the dead body! I thought this episode was a tad weaker than the others but still had fun.
I agree with you I don’t think that the difficult relationship Sazz talks to dr. Maggie about is about Charles. I think the difficult relationship is with the stunt community, Sazz had a good relationship with Charles a her “face”, she confides in him, something the other stunt people don’t like and she later expresses she doesn’t want them to know her plans for the future. However, I don’t think any of them are the killer. In the earlier seasons we are introduced to the killer(s) within the first couple of episodes and definitely before episode 4. Even though it doesn’t really look like Sazz had much in common with the other stunt people, they seem to respect her in some ways. I’m still trying to work out who the murderer is. I could be wrong, but that’s my theory for now. I really enjoy your videos, looking forward to more 😊
@@halsearoot6365 i will say I think maybe Charles is bad at reading people so I'm not sure how much of his memories are accurate or his version of what he believes but in past interactions it has always been sazz reaching out, if she wanted out she could have just done nothing so I agree for sure! Also am hoping as well the killer isn't a very late introduction that would really suck. Thanks so much for watching!!
I think maybe it isn't Charles but we knew she wanted to break up with Jan and I am thinking she might be related to Bev Melon or Bev is Jan's perfect sister and wanted their life rights to prevent her relationship to Jan from coming out and is in the Paradise Jump place site to find Jan...it's kinda weird she has no limit on price for them and now Sazz is dead so maybe no need for rights and Jan on the lamb and criminal she has harder time protecting her rights so could be connected ...
I think shed-Bev might be a doppelganger. I thought Dr Maggie looks like she could be related to Jan. I wanted Sazz to be Charle's sibling, but alas... Agree with your Howard theory. Who has influence and money and smarts????? = Leonora Folger / Rose Cooper, of course! It does seem to be about Charle's past. Hmmmm...it's a mystery.
I’m assuming because the west side of the building is for renters only they probably don’t pay to have doorman services etc. That seems like a privilege the easties get from their building dues. I could totally be wrong but there’s been no mention of any kind of westie Lester figure. The west tower also seems to be a littler dingy compared to the east where they own their units. Also, can we just stop for one moment and think back to season 1. Zoe’s family owned the entire 11th floor and not once did the trio ever go there to talk with her parents after finding out Oscar didn’t kill Zoe. I just think it’s weird that link was never investigated. What’s on the 11th floor?! Now back to season 4….
@@Jinxed222 very good point, definitely seems like the West side is the forgotten tower of the complex but you would think the fact that dudenoff is renting so many places for no reason would be odd to someone! Also I've just straight up given up on mabels deductive reasoning as a detective lol she's got nothing on omitb sleuths 😂
@@kitkatz3859 what if Dudenoff has some kind of deal going with Ursula? What if the boxes she was throwing out in season 2 had to do with the evidence of the rent scheme. It’s a stretch but she does like to make deals to get people to sign up for her pyramid schemes. Like the trade for Oliver to sell gut milk in exchange for the Tim Kono information.
@@kitkatz3859 this last episode has got me so confused. I’m also looking at every single thing like it’s a clue but I can’t figure out what the clue is for! Although did you see all the why’s on the third murder board? Why are there so many clues on the boards that aren’t being discussed in the episodes? And again, with the crap detective work! Like great job asking Bev if she killed Sazz, but a fantastic follow up would’ve been to ask why she’s there and how she knows about the poverty shack. I’m getting legitimately frustrated with the writers this season. The whole point of a murder mystery is to give us the clues to solve it, not to completely derail expectations for the sake of an unexpected plot twist. Ugh 😩
I think whoever killed us is in LA. I got something to do with the Hollywood producers in LA because.😅 and maybe has to do with the girlfriend from season one the one that says stole away from Charles and see that was mentioning season one1
Do you think the show writers would do that for two seasons in a row though? Going from the play producers to the Hollywood execs seems almost too redundant. This season is really doing a great job at confusing me 😂
I think Howard is a great side character. I think what happens when you do a storyline like a murder mystery storyline that I like in a soap opera. You gotta have side character that do more or develop the more TV show. That’s my opinion.😮😢 see you later
@@kaiwancallender2761 I think this is more likely at this point than Howard being a mastermind. As I explained in my theory I think he's just done too many things where we see him alone and acting with seemingly good intentions. Sure he may do sus things but that's why I wanted to make a theory that explored other realities other than the mastermind route. Thanks for your comment! :)
@@visualoo1918 i get Nina is scary but I also found that to be kinda insane. She just seems really intense but physical violence didn't seem like her MO. That's why I'm thinking there's more to this than we were given 🤔
Hello!!! I just starting watching episode 5 Omg It has to be Charles’s accountant !!! ??? If his money is being deposited in Belize etc Suppose his accountant is siphoning /embezzling his funds????😮
8:38 and 11:23 - Lmao Also can we talk more about the theme of consequence that seems overwhelming with this season. Can that help us find some kind of motivation for the killer(s) ?
@@00pulce00 motivation is truly what I am so stuck on right now. I wonder if maybe it's not what Charles has done to make someone upset but maybe his existence or involvement in something is an obstacle that needs to be removed
@@kitkatz3859 Definitely agree on all of that! There's just too much to lose for the people that seem too invested in this movie, for any of them to be the killer(s).
I think whoever killed us is in LA. I got something to do with the Hollywood producers in LA because.😅 and maybe has to do with the girlfriend from season one the one that says stole away from Charles and see that was mentioning season one1
Cookie does have a prominent spot in the murder board and she was specifically mentioned this episode so they could be gearing us up for a cookie introduction sometime soon!
@@kitkatz3859 Do you think the show writers would do that for two seasons in a row though? Going from the play producers to the Hollywood execs seems almost too redundant. This season is really doing a great job at confusing me too 😂 The other seasons seemed a little easier to solve.
@@Jinxed222 I do agree that another meddling producer working on a project would be so annoying to have back to back to back, even season two had similarities in that way. That said maybe if the target was actually sazz or was unrelated to the movie I wouldn't mind as much
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I’m so glad I’m not the only one who noticed that the timeline is completely off!! It also didn’t even make sense last season because after Bunny’s murder, which took place in 2021 (because her murder took place directly after they solved the Tim Kono case and his toxicology report said his murder happened in January 2021) it says the play happened a year later which means it would’ve been in 2022 but then we see the opening night was in 2023 according to the review. I think the writers have not given much logical thought to this😂😂
@@sophiacharlotte omg i didn't even realize this was a problem from the beginning 😂 especially with a murder mystery we shouldn't have to worry about the time line being wonky because timing and dates could 100% be clues! So annoying!!
This bothers me so much, too! So much so I have made a Reddit post about it 😂🤡
I need to check this show out
@@brocklytodd5317 1000% recommend it's a fun time
I think Bev was Sazz’s west coast lover. Bev wanted Sazz to stop doing stunt work and knew she wouldn’t unless Charles was out of the picture. So she’s been plotting to kill Charles but mistakenly got Sazz.
@@THEEWAHWAH stop it wait I think you may have done something 🫢 also would explain why bev knew about paradise NJ!
In the beginning, Oliver said that if you don't face your fears, then your fears will eat your face. Charles is "the face" to Sazz. So what is Sazz's fear?
@@SavageThrifter that's a really good observation, according to Jan sazz was really worried about something relating to all this the day of her death so something definitely had her worried / potentially fearful
Oliver being an IPad kid is really funny! 😂
@@eliaspersson3206 I thought it was hilarious but it reminded me of my dad trying to use his phone a little too much hahaha 😂
Sink apples!!! (TM) 😃 That was me! 😊 Thanks for the “insider” shoutout. ❤ Glad to hear there’s an explanation for them. 😂 (The unexpected mystery of the season: Why sink apples? 😉)
Also, I’ve meant to say I love how the Clue music, which I commented on the first time you used it last season, has unofficially become a thing. 😊 Your videos are so fun! ❤
@@Jillian_Paige I'm so glad sink apples are not yet another cursed type of food in this season because we already have too much! Thanks for watching and for your comments it really means a lot :) more clue references to come!!
@@kitkatz3859 ❤️
Abraham Lincoln in the background alot and when Charles was trying to get information from the bar tender the only president he named was Lincoln on the $5 bill. The rest he just said $1 $20 ect... So are they pointing at and actor? The bar was in existence since the civil rights act and Lincoln issued the Emancipation Proclamation in 1963 and I have 0 idea what any of this means for the death of sazz hands. Lol I need more coffee. Great vids, I look forward to them every week
@@ericrush-bw3cl I caught that about the five dollar bill as well and got super excited because I love a good Abraham Lincoln reference! I have a quote of his tattooed on my arm haha so if this is all intentional I would love it. Also great connection about civil rights and Lincoln. Thanks so much for watching :)
Thanks for the reply!!! 🙂 Lincoln seems to be hinting at something and that's awesome you have a Abraham Lincoln quote tattooed on you. Keep up the great content. I look forward to it every week while I go to work
@@ericrush-bw3cl that means so much thanks for tuning in! I have seen people say maybe it means an actor is trying to get at Charles and given how many people are connected to Hollywood that would make a ton of sense!
Again (back to back commenting here), there’s something with Howard just can’t tell what. There’s something bigger with this Animal Jobs podcast. Not sure if it’s just a set up to find out the pigs job, or if there’s something larger at work.
@@visualoo1918 definitely think the pigs job had to be a clue as well as his dog Gravey, but I can't go fully to the point of thinking he's a mastermind or anything. We've seen too much evidence to contradict that in my brain but also for sure can't help but suspect that man!
another banger to watch over my dinner tn😌
@@editingeek ❤️❤️❤️
Maybe the movie people are bribing howard for info too. Love your theory of him wanting to be the hero so they will include him.
@@molliekatz432 anything to protect my man Howard from jail time he's in charge of way too many animals to be arrested
I have some WILD thoughts so this comment will be long 😂 I was just thinking that Howard being nervous when someone slipped the flyer under the door makes it seem like the westies really aren’t involved in of the murder plot. Maybe he knows the murder plot has nothing to do with Dudenoff or their rent control scheme, so that would make him legitimately nervous if it really was Dudenoff that showed up while he was there. Maybe he would be nervous squatting in this apartment because he doesn’t want to be involved in any of that but still wants to be involved with the trio and this was the only way they would let him help.
I keep trying to go back to the first episode of S1 to see if howard or Jan showed up later at the restaurant somewhere in the background and were eavesdropping on the trio.
Maybe Jan was a full on psychopath but not a murderer. What if Jan and Howard had a brief elevator affair before Tim Kono where they bonded over psychopathic ideas, and she agreed to take credit for the murder, either because she really likes the sick attention that comes from the notoriety of being a murderer or maybe Howard payed her to take the fall. That seems unlikely though.
Maybe Howard and Jan were or are in a real relationship and when she started a fling with Tim Howard got jealous and killed him but Jan took the fall. Now he’s trying to first frame Charles for murder in season 2, and when that didn’t work he tried to kill him in season 3. He could pull off a sniper shot even with his fear of blood. I know all of these ideas are quantum leaps (please reconsider Scott Bakula as the mastermind) but with all the unanswered questions from each season the clues have to be leading somewhere right?
And it just all comes back to season 1 with the cat paw prints as the very first clue, and Jan’s insistence to take another look at Howard even though big Teddy D. was their main suspect at the time. Maybe both Jan and Howard are the moriarty suspects. Who said it just has to be one mastermind?
@@Jinxed222 if jan and Howard had an affair I will need my therapist on speed dial ASAP 😭 that said I think it was so weird Jan was detailing to have everyone look at Howard over teddy when neither option would really point to her. If she kept a low profile and agreed with their direction she would have been even less sus. So I always wondered why she did that
I agree that the way they reveal information makes all 3 look terrible at solving anything. I am a graduate of Dick Wolfe university and would have checked on who is on the leases, who pays, who gets mail etc immediately. also what about this crime makes it the FBI and not the police? ep 4 is called the stuntman and that movie has a running theme that everything is not what it seemed. also that stuntman was having an affair with the hair makeup lady. I wonder if the relationship Sazz couldnt get out of was Cookie or maybe even Joy. episode 1 was named after a movie where part of the plot had to do with land rights. who inherits Sazz's land? finally next weeks episode is named after the movie Adaptation which stars Meryl Streep and she's having a secret affair in that movie.
@@lisa-lisa-lisa I love Loretta but if next week is alluding to her cheating on Oliver, we riot at dawn!
I also am so confused as to why the FBI is taking this case over the other ones. Maybe due to the nature of the murder weapon, maybe given this is the fourth death at the arconia, who knows but it is strange!
@@kitkatz3859 I assume the murder is tied with a monetary crime/fraud like mail fraud, wire fraud, mortgage fraud etc. of course the 3 wont ask until the end of episode 10
1. I know it was “half baked” but I enjoyed your take on Howard and that provided a ton of perspective 👍
2. I’ve been trying to figure out the motive and I can only rule things out. Avenge - is there anyone he hurt that would have an avenger? Maybe Ben glenroy given their rocky past, and his stuntman wanted to kill Charles to pay respects? Longshot, unlikely.
Protector- would killing Charles protect someone? Maybe sazz given the pain she was in? I think the problem with this is that being a stuntwoman is what she’s always wanted to do and she loved doing that for Charles. So it would be bad, almost evil, to rip her dream (and friend) away that she chose herself.
Money- the only monetary value would be in killing Sazz - a stunt person job may be available. But no one we met looks like her.
Those are my thoughts so far. Tricky season indeed
@@Nick-db1zp i think it's really helpful to look at motives as you did by breaking down the different types of motives we would see in this type of story!
I think the murderer is somebody that used to live in the building, but I also hate Charles, but doesn’t Charles don’t really remember him offhand for him to not really know who he is, but somebody used to work in bravos as well by the similar bravos to bravo at one point in time
@@kaiwancallender2761 a person from his past could be a really interesting connection to Hollywood as well!
Ok so, no one else seems to be mentioning this but it seems obvious to me: Fake Sazz says they’re doing something with Backula. Charles then meets Backula, who confirms this, and his concern for Sazz. I don’t remember Sazz ever actually mentioning working with him though.
@@Z71B she actually mentions it in season 3 episode 5!
@@kitkatz3859 ok, sorry! The plot thickens…
I have a feeling that Scott Bakula and Joy could be the killers. Scott could have been the shooter and Joy cleans the mess. Scott could have also poisoned Olivers dog because Oliver kept rejecting his auditions. Also Scott says Joy sent him a photo, maybe it was a photo of the crime seen all cleaned up and the reason he couldn't show Charles was that he would recognise the room was his apartment. Scott and Joy are the only 2 people we know that knows that Sazz was stunting for Scott in LA so they could be working together to get revenge on Charles
Would be a good tag team duo but joy carrying a 6 foot tall sazz would be a hard ask! Doesn't mean they didn't have someone else do it though!
Another thing I was thinking on Scott was that he could be Charles brother, we know that the show keeps hinting 'brothers' to us and that Charles dad liked to sleep around. Maybe Scott is jealous of Charles getting the Brazzos act instead of him, he could have also been trying to buy the painting off Bunny because it had his father on it and that's who we saw Bunny talking to at the diner. He could also be the murder that was unsolved, maybe he was aiming for Charles but missed and accidentally hit somebody else instead @@kitkatz3859
If Mabel Mora doesn't end up being the Moriarty, I'm gonna be shocked
@@SavageThrifter I would once again be eating my words 😭
So, I just realized that maybe there may be a clue in the name Dudenoff. "Dude" no "ff". Two females instead of 1 male? There are countless references to 2 people or doubles throughout the show.
I do think the name dudenoff is a weird name to have, almost sounds like a fake name so it could possibly mean something else!
Also Ben's stunt double took an apple out of the dumpster and ate it. Not sure how apple's are important to the story other than some kind of biblical hint idk but I feel like the killer is definitely going to be someone in the stunt community. Is Sazz's dad, Slim, still alive cause idk I just feel like he is important
Was looking forward to this video 🤩.
I absolutely agree with you. There are far too many cameo appearances in this season.
The stunt double for Ben Glenroy should have been a different actor. Paul Rudd again would only make sense to me if it turned out that Ben wasn't dead after all, but I wouldn't like that idea. Also, the whole Finsta/Lorretta side quest would be pointless if it had nothing to do with solving the case. I'm much more interested in the whereabouts of Oliver's dog and Howard's boyfriend and his cat 😅
@@shiraparaguas9273 would love to see a spinoff of Jonathan oscar Uma Mrs. Gambolini winnie and mabel's aunt all chilling somewhere in the arconia 😂 I've seen people theorize Ben faked his death and I agree I would hate that, I think at the very least Glen is maybe being paid off to do something by someone else, maybe he was bribed to try and bonk Charles on the head with a real bottle because he's hard up for work and needs the money
Bless you for solving the sink-apple torture mystery.🎉
@@tmtb80 always getting to the bottom of the hard-hitting questions facing our generation 🫡
I’m assuming because the west side of the building is for renters only they probably don’t pay to have doorman services etc. I could be wrong but that seems like a privilege the easties get from their building dues. I could totally be wrong but there’s been no mention of any kind of westie Lester figure. The west tower also seems to be a littler dingy compared to the east where they own their units.
Also, can we just stop for one moment and think back to season 1. Zoe’s family owned the entire 11th floor and not once did the trio ever go there to talk with her parents after finding out Oscar didn’t kill Zoe. I just think it’s weird that link was never investigated. What’s on the 11th floor?! Now back to season 4….
I’m now questioning everything I thought about Howard before today!
I’m so excited for this video! Thank you! 🎉
@@Jinxed222 thanks so much for watching and your always amazing comments!!
@@kitkatz3859you are absolutely my favorite TH-camr making omitb content. Your theories and the way you present the information is so fun to watch! I’m really hoping the more likes and comments us fans leave you, the more this channel will grow because you deserve it!
@@Jinxed222literally this comment made my day, thank you so much for your comments it's the absolute most fun part of making these videos. I had such a hard time picking which of your comments I wanted to include in this video because they were all so great! ♥️♥️♥️♥️
@@kitkatz3859 you are the best! I am so lame but I get so excited when you add them into your videos. Thank you for the shoutouts!
@@Jinxed222 not at all you guys have brilliant comments and they must be seen!!
Stay hydrated
@@DoublePMedia for this season I can't afford not to 😭
That’s my theory, but the old girlfriend that has took away from Charles and season1 and season might be the killer
Cookie?
tap in is an expression in golf I've heard. but don't know if that's true. Perhaps another golf reference.
Me avoiding having anything to do with golf for 29 years is finally coming back to haunt me 😂😭
@@kitkatz3859 😅
About Howard, where is his boyfriend Jonathan?? We left him stoned in the theater and then he disappeared ?
@@athenaistorgeman5440 Howard doesn't date flops that get stage fright on opening night I guess 🫠 the timelines and weird continuity issues of this season so far are wild
Double P media brought up that we have no idea about which hallway Howard found the little piggy. Did the piggy leave the west Tower and somehow ended up at the East Tower or did Howard go into the west Tower? Also, where is Gravey? Is she not needed anymore because we only needed her to point out a murder? This episode was ok and it was great to see Paul Rudd.
@@nicki1050 I am really gonna be annoyed if Gravey is introduced only to find the dead body! I thought this episode was a tad weaker than the others but still had fun.
I’m also wondering where Grave-y is.
I agree with you I don’t think that the difficult relationship Sazz talks to dr. Maggie about is about Charles. I think the difficult relationship is with the stunt community, Sazz had a good relationship with Charles a her “face”, she confides in him, something the other stunt people don’t like and she later expresses she doesn’t want them to know her plans for the future. However, I don’t think any of them are the killer. In the earlier seasons we are introduced to the killer(s) within the first couple of episodes and definitely before episode 4. Even though it doesn’t really look like Sazz had much in common with the other stunt people, they seem to respect her in some ways. I’m still trying to work out who the murderer is. I could be wrong, but that’s my theory for now. I really enjoy your videos, looking forward to more 😊
@@halsearoot6365 i will say I think maybe Charles is bad at reading people so I'm not sure how much of his memories are accurate or his version of what he believes but in past interactions it has always been sazz reaching out, if she wanted out she could have just done nothing so I agree for sure! Also am hoping as well the killer isn't a very late introduction that would really suck. Thanks so much for watching!!
I think maybe it isn't Charles but we knew she wanted to break up with Jan and I am thinking she might be related to Bev Melon or Bev is Jan's perfect sister and wanted their life rights to prevent her relationship to Jan from coming out and is in the Paradise Jump place site to find Jan...it's kinda weird she has no limit on price for them and now Sazz is dead so maybe no need for rights and Jan on the lamb and criminal she has harder time protecting her rights so could be connected ...
@@amandachilds5290 love this theory sm but now also concerned she may actually shoot Charles Mabel and Oliver LOL
I think shed-Bev might be a doppelganger.
I thought Dr Maggie looks like she could be related to Jan.
I wanted Sazz to be Charle's sibling, but alas...
Agree with your Howard theory.
Who has influence and money and smarts????? = Leonora Folger / Rose Cooper, of course!
It does seem to be about Charle's past.
Hmmmm...it's a mystery.
@@tmtb80 I will say that the AB blood type match is very convenient, would be a great twist if they're related after all!
They said the bar was open to the public since the civil rights act of 64. They said it had been open to stunt people prior to that.
@@THEEWAHWAH great catch!
Also glad I could help restore your faith in Charles 😊
@@THEEWAHWAHit was looking bleak for a while but it was the reality check I desperately needed!
I’m assuming because the west side of the building is for renters only they probably don’t pay to have doorman services etc. That seems like a privilege the easties get from their building dues. I could totally be wrong but there’s been no mention of any kind of westie Lester figure. The west tower also seems to be a littler dingy compared to the east where they own their units.
Also, can we just stop for one moment and think back to season 1. Zoe’s family owned the entire 11th floor and not once did the trio ever go there to talk with her parents after finding out Oscar didn’t kill Zoe. I just think it’s weird that link was never investigated. What’s on the 11th floor?! Now back to season 4….
@@Jinxed222 very good point, definitely seems like the West side is the forgotten tower of the complex but you would think the fact that dudenoff is renting so many places for no reason would be odd to someone!
Also I've just straight up given up on mabels deductive reasoning as a detective lol she's got nothing on omitb sleuths 😂
@@kitkatz3859 what if Dudenoff has some kind of deal going with Ursula? What if the boxes she was throwing out in season 2 had to do with the evidence of the rent scheme. It’s a stretch but she does like to make deals to get people to sign up for her pyramid schemes. Like the trade for Oliver to sell gut milk in exchange for the Tim Kono information.
@@kitkatz3859 Mable is a terrible detective. Howard might be the best of out of them all 😂
@@Jinxed222 literally though, Howard is putting in work this season and nobody recognizes him for it🫡🫡🫡
@@kitkatz3859 this last episode has got me so confused. I’m also looking at every single thing like it’s a clue but I can’t figure out what the clue is for! Although did you see all the why’s on the third murder board? Why are there so many clues on the boards that aren’t being discussed in the episodes? And again, with the crap detective work! Like great job asking Bev if she killed Sazz, but a fantastic follow up would’ve been to ask why she’s there and how she knows about the poverty shack. I’m getting legitimately frustrated with the writers this season. The whole point of a murder mystery is to give us the clues to solve it, not to completely derail expectations for the sake of an unexpected plot twist. Ugh 😩
Hey Kat did you see my reply to your message, i added some more theories about Scott
Ok I’ve been waiting days to talk about that terrible Rudd return & accent & no Uma . Where is Uma
@@tegdirb1017 the very few Uma crumbs the show is giving us will not be enough to keep me going through this season 😭
I think whoever killed us is in LA. I got something to do with the Hollywood producers in LA because.😅 and maybe has to do with the girlfriend from season one the one that says stole away from Charles and see that was mentioning season one1
Do you think the show writers would do that for two seasons in a row though? Going from the play producers to the Hollywood execs seems almost too redundant. This season is really doing a great job at confusing me 😂
I think Howard is a great side character. I think what happens when you do a storyline like a murder mystery storyline that I like in a soap opera. You gotta have side character that do more or develop the more TV show. That’s my opinion.😮😢 see you later
@@kaiwancallender2761 I think this is more likely at this point than Howard being a mastermind. As I explained in my theory I think he's just done too many things where we see him alone and acting with seemingly good intentions. Sure he may do sus things but that's why I wanted to make a theory that explored other realities other than the mastermind route. Thanks for your comment! :)
I do wonder about Howard. Nina punched him in the face..Really!? We just glazed over that but why? Some gross “pregnant hormones” explanation
@@visualoo1918 i get Nina is scary but I also found that to be kinda insane. She just seems really intense but physical violence didn't seem like her MO. That's why I'm thinking there's more to this than we were given 🤔
Hello!!!
I just starting watching episode 5
Omg
It has to be Charles’s accountant !!! ???
If his money is being deposited in Belize etc
Suppose his accountant is siphoning /embezzling his funds????😮
Omg i totally forgot about the accountant 😭
just for fun...Could Sazz be Helga?
Could be! Certainly tall enough but I still believe sazz is dead so I wonder who was on the ham then
8:38 and 11:23 - Lmao
Also can we talk more about the theme of consequence that seems overwhelming with this season. Can that help us find some kind of motivation for the killer(s) ?
@@00pulce00 motivation is truly what I am so stuck on right now. I wonder if maybe it's not what Charles has done to make someone upset but maybe his existence or involvement in something is an obstacle that needs to be removed
@@kitkatz3859 Definitely agree on all of that! There's just too much to lose for the people that seem too invested in this movie, for any of them to be the killer(s).
I think whoever killed us is in LA. I got something to do with the Hollywood producers in LA because.😅 and maybe has to do with the girlfriend from season one the one that says stole away from Charles and see that was mentioning season one1
Cookie does have a prominent spot in the murder board and she was specifically mentioned this episode so they could be gearing us up for a cookie introduction sometime soon!
@@kitkatz3859 Do you think the show writers would do that for two seasons in a row though? Going from the play producers to the Hollywood execs seems almost too redundant. This season is really doing a great job at confusing me too 😂 The other seasons seemed a little easier to solve.
@@Jinxed222 I do agree that another meddling producer working on a project would be so annoying to have back to back to back, even season two had similarities in that way. That said maybe if the target was actually sazz or was unrelated to the movie I wouldn't mind as much