What if I told you that you can like Nirvana and The Smashing Pumpkins while seeing similarities in both Smells Like Teen Spirit and More Than a Feeling? It's amazing. You all should try it.
I can like some old Smashing Pumpkins while also seeing the fact that Billy has always been a dick too, lol. The deeper I dove into my fandom back in the day, the more I realized this guy's ego is inflated and fractured at the same time.
Ross Cates honestly. Pumpkins are my favorite band. But I freaking love nirvana. Great vision and very influential. Billy is a great guy telling a story, kurt would probably laugh
So many comments where they say Billy never respected or acknowledged the greatness of Kurt/Nirvana. I guess these people didn't watch/hear the comments he made on three separate occasions in interviews where he discusses aspects of his respect and opinion on Kurt/Nirvana's talent. I can't recall his exact words, but I'll sum them up. I saw/heard 3 interviews with Corgan discussing the subject. One from around '94, he was talking about the fact that Gish, he felt, was overshadowed by Nevermind, and said, you know, it was such a groundbreaking album and a sound that was unlike us and it has its place in rock history because it was quality stuff, "No denying it". Next interview I heard on the radio he was talking about Kurt's song writing skills saying he was a genius for tapping into the zeitgeist of the time. The third that I recall was when he was saying how he was so depressed over the way Nirvana just managed to sell records so fast and people took to them so much, and here he was wishing he could write like that, making him nervous about the upcoming album which would be Siamese Dream. Why do I say all this? Because you can have an opinion as much as you want, I don't want to take that away from someone. But to claim your opinion is exactly how things are when there's the possibility you haven't heard him say otherwise, isn't how I operate and I venture to say how anyone ought to operate. One person does NOT know EVERYTHING. So keep an open mind, both sides, Billy's a jealous Dick people or Billy's a respectful guy people.
good point. It's like when I heard in the interview where Cobain said he had always hated Pearl Jam, hated their band. Does it make us to claim he was an annoying and jealous person?
Anyone who knew they were making it in the record business, and running into the buzzsaw of Nirvana and Nevermind had to be destabilized by its greatness. Just be glad you weren't an 80s hair metal band, because at that point, you were OLD and OBSOLETE!
Legend has it that Cobain was trying to play Bostons song just as a jam to warm up to...he ended up playing different chords to a more punchy rhythm--the rest is history
I just don't understand it. It seemed like he was just telling a story that Kurt himself most likely would have found funny and then everyone calls him smug. What? LOL
Even more than that. Kurt even admitted having written the song while he jammed on....More Than a Feeling. Here is the real Nirvana fanboy who knows this :D
Yes, he didn't try to lick Cobain ass or chant the praises how great the record was, it was, and I think he knows. Like some hard core fans or worshippers do. I think Cobain would accept this better and more easily than you. Corgan is hugely self-absorbed. That's it, period. Take it or not.
Kurt played Boston's More than a Feeling riffs right before jumping into their song Smells like Teen Spirit at the 92 Reading Festival just to be funny...Kurt did that on more than 1 occasion so he was well aware of it. The Smashing Pumpkin's "Cherub Rock" melody comes from Cheap Tricks "Ohh Laaa" song So there you go!!! ... but Billy even never shied away from saying that Cherub Rock melody is from that Cheap Trick song. This story Billy is talking about is on a TH-cam documentary called "Nevermind the Garbage" Billy was at Butch Vigs house - a producer on some albums of Smashing Pumpkin's. Butch was the producer for Gish, Siamese Dream and Nirvana's Nevermind. That July 4th in Wisconsin Butch played Nevermind for the first time and he said everyone at the party got real quite and then after the whole album was done playing someone at the party said play it again. Billy Corgan does say really nice things about Kurt and Nirvana in some interviews. Like when Billy Corgan was on the Joe Rogan show he was really nice about Nirvana.
He was more than aware of that. He wrote that song jamming on More Than A Feeling and one other Boston song. I don't remember that song though. I just read Krist Novoselic's reaction to the riff was: "That's ridiculous." I love that :D
Every chord progression to every Smashing Pumpkins song has been used in history at some point or another in a different pre-existing song. Billy knows this, so trust me everyone, that's why he wasn't putting down Nirvana when he said that, he was just recalling that he thought that at that particular moment...
By the way have you seen the interview /video (it was a tribute to the late frontman of Stone Temple pilots) where he called Kurt, Layne and Weiland the (that) generation's voices? (meanwhile, not adding himself to that like , not like in Corgan's manner :)?) I was pleasantly surprised he was a huge fan of AIC, Jerry playing. I luv them
Billy is a perfectionist and it's his perfectionism that created such an awesome band. A natural byproduct of his drive is his feeling of competition with Cobain. He knows he will be remembered as second best in his generation and it frustrates him. That's perfectly fine thing because he is not overly toxic about it. SP are my favorite btw ❤
True. Aneurysm was written way earlier though and was mostly played at live concerts prior to a few compilation albums with it though so it’s unlikely that it influenced RATM. But I also remember in one of Dave Grohl’s documentaries(pretty sure it was sound city) Brad Wilk said they recorded the debut Rage album at the same studio Nirvana recorded Nevermind intentionally
After hearing alot of interviews with Billy about Nirvana its obv he is jealous of Kurt and his place in music. I like both bands but its not even close who the superior band and frontman is.
You know what I know for sure :stop comparing or taking part in that constant rivalry, who's better, who worse, he's a prick and have not done anything good since..., He's bad as a person,.. etc. There's me and the music that I love, (I like Nirvana and SP, as also I don't like something by them, that's okay, that's a purpose of music to find an audience which will appreciate and find something that relate and resonate with your soul. I want to stop care about what's 'behind the scenes'/backstage, or if i do, I want to enjoy it, and be reasonable and tolerant as a human. Cause all humans are individuals, and mostly complex ones.
Check out the Peel Session and Reel Time Demos from the Gish Deluxe Edition if you want to hear what it would sound like if Steve Albini produced the album instead of Butch Vig (the Pixies demos for Doolitte provide a similar experience). I was always surprised that Cobain and Corgan didn't have more to do with each other at the time, but after seeing interviews you can tell that they had very different temperaments. And despite somewhat similar sounds at the time and sharing a producer, it seems Kurt came from a more punk ethos and Billy came more from a more classic rock ethos.
There was not only the competitive rivalry musically but a lot of the tension was over Courtney Love from what I understand. She was involved with both of them and Trent Reznor and it seemed to fuel a feud. But it also pushed all of them to make better music and try to outdo each other.
Yeah, Corgan had more classic rock, prog rock and metal influences. Technically, he’s a better guitarist and musician than Kurt. When I first started playing guitar, I learned almost every Nirvana song. There’s a few Corgan solos I still can’t play. Kurt was simple, but also creative and unique.
That's exactly what I thought when I first listened to Smashing Pumpkins' Godzilla so... And Kurt was totally aware of the "more than a feeling" thing. He talked about it before and that's why they made that joke before playing S.L.T.S (I think you can hear it in one of the Outcesticide records)
This comment is so dumb. If you listened to what Billy said, he was admiring that Kurt knew it sounded like teen spirit in Tokyo because he did play more than a feeling and it went over the crowd's head.
It doesmt sound like more than a feeling but it does sound similar the chords from godzilla by blue oyster cult. Alot of songs have similar chords i think kurt probably messed up the chords at some point in practice then and was just having fun .the chords for the chorus in more than a feeling are g c e minor d . If it was reversed as e minor d g c it would almost be the progression in that key. But to really be the progression in that key of smells like teen spirit it would be e minor a g c. The original smells like teen spirit was f b flat a flat d flat. So different key different chords different order. Kurt probably accidentally played smelled like teen spirit backwards and the melody of it sort of works even though its off by a chord abd different key.. but godzilla by blue oyster cult is closer if it were in the same key slowed down the equivalent chords would be f b flat a flat e flat with slides. Still not quite it either but closer than more than a feeling because its the same forward order and off by that last chord.
Are you crazy and bash him just because he never admitted he 'stole the riffs' and prank like Cobain on many occasions? Hah, yes, he's not Kurt, but maybe he's aware of that to himself
Kurt even admitted that he jammed on More than A Feeling and one other Boston song. So there you go...but well Billy, Bullet With Butterfly Wings has the chords as Bleed The Freak, so what?
Nirvana played in tokeyo 1992 sun plaza and they did not do a Boston more than a feeling in intro at this show not sure what billy is referring to but def the wrong show they didn’t do it in Tokyo
Yeah yeah yeah heard it before every GCD song is the same right? OK they have common elements. Kurt probably even was fooling around with that song when he figured it out teen Spirit. But the end song sounds nothing alike. More than a feeling is g5 a5 e5 d5 where as teen spirt is f5 bflat5 aflat5 dflat5 Literally not a single chord is in the same place. The only similarity is that it’s a 4 chord repeating powerchord rhythm. It’s not even close to a rip off and Kurt probably just was making fun of it that people thought it was.
I love Billy Corgan but he is such a damaged guy. He's not exactly talking shit here, but there's just something about his tone, it's classic annoying Corgan. Teen Spirit and More Than a Feeling only have 2 chords in common, but a similar stumming pattern. I suppose finding similarities between the two probably helped him to deal with the fact that what he was listening to was so obviously superior to Gish. Still it's petty. Today uses the same chords as Thought I'd died and Gone To Heaven by Bryan Adams but you didn't hear Kurt going on about it all the time.
You didn't watch the entire video. Corgan states Cobain backed up his comment about More than a Feeling. In fact here PROOF th-cam.com/video/JvmuVvb_zO4/w-d-xo.html
Billy is always praising Kurt. Kurt him self said he was surprised that he was surprised he wasn't sued by Boston for stealing that lick (jokingly). Everything I said is on video on TH-cam. Including video of Kurt playing more than a feeling on stage before teen spirit.
Yeah, he knew Kurt had these great rocking songs and he wanted that. He had great songs in his own right but it seems like he was always trying to catch up to Kurt’s level.
@WilshirecityBlues sophistication doesn’t equal a great song. great melodies equal great songs, and Kurt was a master at that. Billy is not as great a songwriter as Kurt was.
Sorry Billy... while there is a similarity of rhythm, 2 of the four chords are different. MTAF is in G Major (at that point in the song, it starts with a DMaj tonal center.) The chords are G, C, Em, D. Functionally this is I, IV, vi, V. While SLTS is in F (while the chords play power chords, the actual song is in MINOR btw...), I'll put it in G to illustrate the differences. So in G it is G, C, Bb, Eb. (or i, vi, III, VI if the melody is used to fill out the chords). A child can see those are different. In fact, the third chord is a tritone different and the 4th a half step. Both dissonant intervals.... soooo, quite different. Great ear there, man...
@@jaimeflor4181 Similar in some way, perhaps (as I CLEARLY stated). But Billy said , and I quote, "Wait, that's 'More than a Feeling' by Boston". That is incorrect. It may have a passing similarity, but it is not the same.
Oh, Billy. You wear your bitterness and envy on your sleeve. And you needn’t do so. Yes, Cobain was the greatest of your generation. You’ve even admitted as much. But you are also one of the best song writers we’ve ever heard. Let that be enough.
I don’t think you have to be a fan of one band or the other to recognize that Siamese Dream is just a better album than Nevermind. As brilliant as Nirvana was.. I venture to say it’s probably better than TEN, Nevermind, Badmotorfinger, Temple Of The Dog, Core, Facelift.. all the albums that came out around that time. It’s just musically and artistically on another level. So stick that in your pipe and smoke it, Billy Corgan.
The same thing with any musician who's forced to play the same old rift over and over again for more than 3 years on end. If I had to play the same shit over and over again I would probably begin to sound feedback in spite
Smells like teen spirit and more than a feeling sound nothing alike. A chord progression is not copying a song. It’s simply a rhythm. If you learned from playing classic songs of course that type of rhythm would come up somewhere.
It’s nothing more than the similarities in the strumming pattern. It’s not the same chord progression, it’s not in the same key; even if you changed More Than A Feeling into a Minor Key, it would not sound the same. It’s a lame comparison but Kurt was smart enough to know. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Smells like teen spirit is it journey or is it yours Billy? This other interview you explicitly explain how it was your riff but you let it slide cus you got in…hmmm
Different chord structures as well. I think he's likely saying that it reminded him of the song because of the first 2 chords played. Same thing when I heard "Bullet with Butterfly Wings" and all I could hear was Metallica's "Motorbreath" during the chorus. But those 2 songs sounds nothing alike other than the chords in the chorus being the same.
He always sounds like he's humblebragging with jealously when talking about Nirvana. Like half baked compliments that are actually slights about why the Pumpkins were better, etc.
can you imagine being as creative and good as billy yet somehow right when you come out one of the greatest legends of music of all time kurt cobain is out of nowhere just kicking your butt on every level...its gotta be tough to live with that.
Get real. It's totally similar. That's why Kurt would sometimes play it instead of Teen Spirit. Anyone familiar with both songs can hear the similarity. You'd have to be a moron not to.
Story doesn’t add up. They played more than a feeling live at reading. You don’t hear this happen when you go to listen to the live bootlegs of the only Tokyo show nirvana ever played.
Except it's not. Similar rhythm and first two bar patterns but third and 4th are different. Also its a whole step higher. But close enough I guess at first listen. There are tons of songs that sound similar. At least Boston weren't douchebags about it and threaten to sue like KD Lang did to The Rolling Stones with Anybody Seen My Baby. 🤣
He wanted to be what kurt Cobain was so bad. But he went bald and didn't have the talent or the voice of a generation. So every interview he slights him and his music
Bwa ha ha ha ha. You're obviously not old enough to remember the early 90s and how huge SP was, not only when Nirvana was around, but after Kurt died. Billy never wanted to be Kurt. What's wrong with going bald? What does that even mean? So, he's bald. So what?
He couldn't because he isn't Kurt. Both may have been abused as children, but they both had very different ideologies, goals, and mindsets at the time. Kurt may have been a better human being(drug abuse and his demons aside) in general than billy, but it still doesn't negate the fact that billy corgan is one of the greatest songwriters of the 90s.
@@valamolamb I am talking about the harmonic melodic relationship, the songs of cobain are not as usual as the songs of corgan. It wasn't just major and minor tonality, Kurt went beyond this
Of course. There is competition between all artists. Paul McCartney cried when he heard Brian’s “God Only Knows” and then Brian went almost into depression when he heard “Sgt. Pepper’s”. So I’m sure billy admired Teen Spirit. Cobain could’ve been jealous at Billy’s solo in “Geek USA”.
Corgan has admitted to serious envy of Cobain. He even stated he was suicidal because of Nirvana’s success. It’s a shame because here he implies Nirvana “stole” more than a feeling, which any rationale person would know is bullshit. They share some of the same chords but are clearly two completely different songs. But that’s Billy for you. Always trying to stir some shit up. I still love his music, though.
It's not that crazy and he's not that jealous. If you were old enough, you'd realize that Smashing Pumpkins were huge back in the day. Not only that, but their music is more subtle and complex than Nirvana's ever was. SP went on to make more music after Kurt and Nirvana died, well into the late 90s. Nirvana came and went, while SP still survives. Live and let die.
As if.. He hated Kurt and Nirvana..ya there are similarities between the riffs. I doubt very much that is what he thought when he first heard the song.
0:26 Lies i bet.. his hatred is so obvious here. I bet what he really thought when he first heard teen spirit would've been 'damnit! Why didn't I think of this!!'
What if I told you that you can like Nirvana and The Smashing Pumpkins while seeing similarities in both Smells Like Teen Spirit and More Than a Feeling? It's amazing. You all should try it.
good effort reaching out to these people man lol. many of them are simply lost just stuck in their one track minds
I can like some old Smashing Pumpkins while also seeing the fact that Billy has always been a dick too, lol. The deeper I dove into my fandom back in the day, the more I realized this guy's ego is inflated and fractured at the same time.
Ross Cates honestly. Pumpkins are my favorite band. But I freaking love nirvana. Great vision and very influential. Billy is a great guy telling a story, kurt would probably laugh
I think krist said it reminded him of a pixies song, too lol
I see no similarities.
So many comments where they say Billy never respected or acknowledged the greatness of Kurt/Nirvana. I guess these people didn't watch/hear the comments he made on three separate occasions in interviews where he discusses aspects of his respect and opinion on Kurt/Nirvana's talent. I can't recall his exact words, but I'll sum them up. I saw/heard 3 interviews with Corgan discussing the subject. One from around '94, he was talking about the fact that Gish, he felt, was overshadowed by Nevermind, and said, you know, it was such a groundbreaking album and a sound that was unlike us and it has its place in rock history because it was quality stuff, "No denying it". Next interview I heard on the radio he was talking about Kurt's song writing skills saying he was a genius for tapping into the zeitgeist of the time. The third that I recall was when he was saying how he was so depressed over the way Nirvana just managed to sell records so fast and people took to them so much, and here he was wishing he could write like that, making him nervous about the upcoming album which would be Siamese Dream. Why do I say all this? Because you can have an opinion as much as you want, I don't want to take that away from someone. But to claim your opinion is exactly how things are when there's the possibility you haven't heard him say otherwise, isn't how I operate and I venture to say how anyone ought to operate. One person does NOT know EVERYTHING. So keep an open mind, both sides, Billy's a jealous Dick people or Billy's a respectful guy people.
good point. It's like when I heard in the interview where Cobain said he had always hated Pearl Jam, hated their band. Does it make us to claim he was an annoying and jealous person?
@@sadiesleepwalker646 well kurt is better than everybody so it doesn't even matter
@@sujalgautam9761 No, he was just an average artist. The 90's was filled with more talented artists than Kurt.
Anyone who knew they were making it in the record business, and running into the buzzsaw of Nirvana and Nevermind had to be destabilized by its greatness. Just be glad you weren't an 80s hair metal band, because at that point, you were OLD and OBSOLETE!
the story is they listened to the whole album and billy was like’ let’s hear it again.
Few people have, which is why history forgets the Pumpkins
That performance of More than a Feeling/Teen Spirit by Nirvana is up on YT, btw.
There's only the Reading one. Billy said he saw them in Tokyo.
he also jammed it on the 24th feb 1994 for the last time in their fourth to last concert.
Legend has it that Cobain was trying to play Bostons song just as a jam to warm up to...he ended up playing different chords to a more punchy rhythm--the rest is history
Whats up with all the Nirvana fans pissed off because Billy Corgan told a story?
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That's Nirvana fanboys for you,
I just don't understand it. It seemed like he was just telling a story that Kurt himself most likely would have found funny and then everyone calls him smug. What? LOL
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Exactly I don't get it either it's ridiculous.
Even more than that. Kurt even admitted having written the song while he jammed on....More Than a Feeling. Here is the real Nirvana fanboy who knows this :D
Yes, he didn't try to lick Cobain ass or chant the praises how great the record was, it was, and I think he knows. Like some hard core fans or worshippers do. I think Cobain would accept this better and more easily than you. Corgan is hugely self-absorbed. That's it, period. Take it or not.
So damn cool. Both are great bands.
Kurt played Boston's More than a Feeling riffs right before jumping into their song Smells like Teen Spirit at the 92 Reading Festival just to be funny...Kurt did that on more than 1 occasion so he was well aware of it. The Smashing Pumpkin's "Cherub Rock" melody comes from Cheap Tricks "Ohh Laaa" song So there you go!!! ... but Billy even never shied away from saying that Cherub Rock melody is from that Cheap Trick song. This story Billy is talking about is on a TH-cam documentary called "Nevermind the Garbage" Billy was at Butch Vigs house - a producer on some albums of Smashing Pumpkin's. Butch was the producer for Gish, Siamese Dream and Nirvana's Nevermind. That July 4th in Wisconsin Butch played Nevermind for the first time and he said everyone at the party got real quite and then after the whole album was done playing someone at the party said play it again. Billy Corgan does say really nice things about Kurt and Nirvana in some interviews. Like when Billy Corgan was on the Joe Rogan show he was really nice about Nirvana.
He was more than aware of that. He wrote that song jamming on More Than A Feeling and one other Boston song. I don't remember that song though.
I just read Krist Novoselic's reaction to the riff was: "That's ridiculous." I love that :D
Peter Heinzelmann right😀
Cherub Rock actually sounds like a Rush song and Corgan was totally open about that in a recent interview.
Every chord progression to every Smashing Pumpkins song has been used in history at some point or another in a different pre-existing song. Billy knows this, so trust me everyone, that's why he wasn't putting down Nirvana when he said that, he was just recalling that he thought that at that particular moment...
SLTS and MTAF are two of the most classic rock songs ever written.
I guess that crowd
Knows not what it means
Main's Main 😂 perfect comment
And I say
@@olliem4501 he’s the one
By the way have you seen the interview /video (it was a tribute to the late frontman of Stone Temple pilots) where he called Kurt, Layne and Weiland the (that) generation's voices? (meanwhile, not adding himself to that like , not like in Corgan's manner :)?) I was pleasantly surprised he was a huge fan of AIC, Jerry playing. I luv them
Now I have heard it, I can't unheard it 😂
Billy is a perfectionist and it's his perfectionism that created such an awesome band. A natural byproduct of his drive is his feeling of competition with Cobain. He knows he will be remembered as second best in his generation and it frustrates him. That's perfectly fine thing because he is not overly toxic about it. SP are my favorite btw ❤
The chord progression was similar, but the groove was what really made it work
Listen to Smashing Pumpkins cover of Godzilla. Kurt took the groove from that.
should upload the whole interview. it was a good one
Nirvana and Tupac greatest of the 90s. All in the videos all on the records dancing come to deathrow!
Westcoast Rap and Westcoast Rock both were kick a$$ in the 90s
He’s talking about reading 1992 where they famously played it before smells like teen spirit ?
So, you weren't actually listening then. He said it was in Tokyo. Listen again.
@@alukuhito 🤨
Honestly, I'm a musician and I know both songs exceedingly well, love both songs, and do not think they are all that similar. Sorry on that one.
I wish that sense of humor was enough to pull kurt out of his pain.
It takes so much musical intelligence to hear that.
Aneurysm by Nirvana uses the same cords as Know Your Enemy by RATM
True. Aneurysm was written way earlier though and was mostly played at live concerts prior to a few compilation albums with it though so it’s unlikely that it influenced RATM. But I also remember in one of Dave Grohl’s documentaries(pretty sure it was sound city) Brad Wilk said they recorded the debut Rage album at the same studio Nirvana recorded Nevermind intentionally
It was first preformed in 1990 before Rage was a band
After hearing alot of interviews with Billy about Nirvana its obv he is jealous of Kurt and his place in music. I like both bands but its not even close who the superior band and frontman is.
You know what I know for sure :stop comparing or taking part in that constant rivalry, who's better, who worse, he's a prick and have not done anything good since..., He's bad as a person,.. etc. There's me and the music that I love, (I like Nirvana and SP, as also I don't like something by them, that's okay, that's a purpose of music to find an audience which will appreciate and find something that relate and resonate with your soul. I want to stop care about what's 'behind the scenes'/backstage, or if i do, I want to enjoy it, and be reasonable and tolerant as a human. Cause all humans are individuals, and mostly complex ones.
Billy is a better musician but Kurt had a better look.
Check out the Peel Session and Reel Time Demos from the Gish Deluxe Edition if you want to hear what it would sound like if Steve Albini produced the album instead of Butch Vig (the Pixies demos for Doolitte provide a similar experience).
I was always surprised that Cobain and Corgan didn't have more to do with each other at the time, but after seeing interviews you can tell that they had very different temperaments. And despite somewhat similar sounds at the time and sharing a producer, it seems Kurt came from a more punk ethos and Billy came more from a more classic rock ethos.
There was not only the competitive rivalry musically but a lot of the tension was over Courtney Love from what I understand. She was involved with both of them and Trent Reznor and it seemed to fuel a feud. But it also pushed all of them to make better music and try to outdo each other.
Yeah, Corgan had more classic rock, prog rock and metal influences. Technically, he’s a better guitarist and musician than Kurt. When I first started playing guitar, I learned almost every Nirvana song. There’s a few Corgan solos I still can’t play. Kurt was simple, but also creative and unique.
That's exactly what I thought when I first listened to Smashing Pumpkins' Godzilla so...
And Kurt was totally aware of the "more than a feeling" thing. He talked about it before and that's why they made that joke before playing S.L.T.S (I think you can hear it in one of the Outcesticide records)
what's the problem? He just told the story, lighten up
This comment is so dumb. If you listened to what Billy said, he was admiring that Kurt knew it sounded like teen spirit in Tokyo because he did play more than a feeling and it went over the crowd's head.
The actually played More than a feeling right before teen spirit at Reading
It doesmt sound like more than a feeling but it does sound similar the chords from godzilla by blue oyster cult. Alot of songs have similar chords i think kurt probably messed up the chords at some point in practice then and was just having fun .the chords for the chorus in more than a feeling are g c e minor d . If it was reversed as e minor d g c it would almost be the progression in that key. But to really be the progression in that key of smells like teen spirit it would be e minor a g c. The original smells like teen spirit was f b flat a flat d flat. So different key different chords different order. Kurt probably accidentally played smelled like teen spirit backwards and the melody of it sort of works even though its off by a chord abd different key.. but godzilla by blue oyster cult is closer if it were in the same key slowed down the equivalent chords would be f b flat a flat e flat with slides. Still not quite it either but closer than more than a feeling because its the same forward order and off by that last chord.
Yeah Billy, because none of your riffs and idea's are stole from Pink Floyd.
Are you crazy and bash him just because he never admitted he 'stole the riffs' and prank like Cobain on many occasions? Hah, yes, he's not Kurt, but maybe he's aware of that to himself
Hahaha The Shape is easily offended
pink floyd are shit
@@sadiesleepwalker646 he wanted to be kurt soo much.
Kurt even admitted that he jammed on More than A Feeling and one other Boston song. So there you go...but well Billy, Bullet With Butterfly Wings has the chords as Bleed The Freak, so what?
Bleed the freak?
@@sadiesleepwalker646 Alice in chains
Nirvana played in tokeyo 1992 sun plaza and they did not do a Boston more than a feeling in intro at this show not sure what billy is referring to but def the wrong show they didn’t do it in Tokyo
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the first thing he thought was “this is our version of godzilla” 100 percent.
Reading 1992 When Kurt did that. lol
John J- I think corgan knows better than us- they probably did that many times live.
he did on reading and on milan feb 24 1994 second to last performance of slts
Yeah yeah yeah heard it before every GCD song is the same right? OK they have common elements. Kurt probably even was fooling around with that song when he figured it out teen Spirit. But the end song sounds nothing alike. More than a feeling is g5 a5 e5 d5 where as teen spirt is f5 bflat5 aflat5 dflat5 Literally not a single chord is in the same place. The only similarity is that it’s a 4 chord repeating powerchord rhythm. It’s not even close to a rip off and Kurt probably just was making fun of it that people thought it was.
I had thought that precisely when I first herd it !!!
He played more than a feeling because it was floating in the press.. Which is probably where Billy got the idea..
Kurt himself played More than a feeling at Reading in 92 as a teaser/intro to Teen Spirit. It’s very close sounding
I love Billy Corgan but he is such a damaged guy. He's not exactly talking shit here, but there's just something about his tone, it's classic annoying Corgan. Teen Spirit and More Than a Feeling only have 2 chords in common, but a similar stumming pattern. I suppose finding similarities between the two probably helped him to deal with the fact that what he was listening to was so obviously superior to Gish. Still it's petty. Today uses the same chords as Thought I'd died and Gone To Heaven by Bryan Adams but you didn't hear Kurt going on about it all the time.
kurt doesnt go on ab it cause he is a dead junkie
You didn't watch the entire video. Corgan states Cobain backed up his comment about More than a Feeling. In fact here PROOF th-cam.com/video/JvmuVvb_zO4/w-d-xo.html
MrPro10
The chords on "Today"also sound a lot like Pixies' "Where is my mind?"
tony salas
Nirvanas success really sticks in your craw doesn’t it. Lmao.
Billy is always praising Kurt. Kurt him self said he was surprised that he was surprised he wasn't sued by Boston for stealing that lick (jokingly). Everything I said is on video on TH-cam. Including video of Kurt playing more than a feeling on stage before teen spirit.
Billy’s jealous...lol
He always has been
Yeah, he knew Kurt had these great rocking songs and he wanted that. He had great songs in his own right but it seems like he was always trying to catch up to Kurt’s level.
Everyone was
@WilshirecityBlues yeah, that's what made William our William. Kurt was our Kurt because he wrote simple yet deep songs
@WilshirecityBlues sophistication doesn’t equal a great song. great melodies equal great songs, and Kurt was a master at that. Billy is not as great a songwriter as Kurt was.
Sorry Billy... while there is a similarity of rhythm, 2 of the four chords are different. MTAF is in G Major (at that point in the song, it starts with a DMaj tonal center.) The chords are G, C, Em, D. Functionally this is I, IV, vi, V. While SLTS is in F (while the chords play power chords, the actual song is in MINOR btw...), I'll put it in G to illustrate the differences. So in G it is G, C, Bb, Eb. (or i, vi, III, VI if the melody is used to fill out the chords). A child can see those are different. In fact, the third chord is a tritone different and the 4th a half step. Both dissonant intervals.... soooo, quite different.
Great ear there, man...
composerdave68 I’m sure the guy that wrote Siamese Dream is really looking at your breakdown and rethinking his life decisions. You do you man lol
smithfan22 He’s speaking in Jazz 😂
They don’t have to be exactly alike from music theory standpoint to have some similarities. Way to overthink things!
@@jaimeflor4181 Similar in some way, perhaps (as I CLEARLY stated). But Billy said , and I quote, "Wait, that's 'More than a Feeling' by Boston". That is incorrect. It may have a passing similarity, but it is not the same.
That may be butch vigs influence. Alice in Chains may also have used some of that more than a feeling.
Oh, Billy. You wear your bitterness and envy on your sleeve. And you needn’t do so. Yes, Cobain was the greatest of your generation. You’ve even admitted as much. But you are also one of the best song writers we’ve ever heard. Let that be enough.
He was super jealous of Nirvana. For the fame and courtney love
He and Courtney were lovers before Kurt. And maybe still are.
@@Anyuta2038 they probably are
Doesn't he mean Peace of Mind
not More Than A Feeling?
I don’t think you have to be a fan of one band or the other to recognize that Siamese Dream is just a better album than Nevermind. As brilliant as Nirvana was.. I venture to say it’s probably better than TEN, Nevermind, Badmotorfinger, Temple Of The Dog, Core, Facelift.. all the albums that came out around that time. It’s just musically and artistically on another level. So stick that in your pipe and smoke it, Billy Corgan.
Come on..... More than a feeling and Teen Spirit are two Way different songs..
They do have similarities. It’s ok to have different perspectives you know
kurt was making fun of more than a feeling
Did he not want to be called by his stage name or something...?
Josh Spicer I saw a video last night on the tonight show where he was called William Patrick Corgan as well. I think that's what he's going by now.
He was the badass Billy Corgan back in the 90's until 2007. Billy Corgan is dead on 2007 and then resurrected as William Patrick Corgan
He always comes off bitter towards Nirvana, pumpkins was massive in thier own right I don't know why he's always having little digs
He gives respect to Nirvana and Cobain, in the interviews I saw. It's just the way he is, the way he talks.
GUESS WHO I AM? MR. WILLIAM PATRICK CORGAN HUH! LOL!
I thought my english was good but I cannot get what he says about Smells like teen spirit at 0:29. Somebody can help ? :) Thx
fabian semal "wait that's More than a feeling by Boston"
nah, they played it as a joke after hearing your snide comment
Butch vig is the fifth Beatle
Any chance he could, Kurt would avoid playing Teen Spirit lol
The same thing with any musician who's forced to play the same old rift over and over again for more than 3 years on end. If I had to play the same shit over and over again I would probably begin to sound feedback in spite
@@SuicideSeason4545 just like billy hates to play 1979
@@georgefisher2048 I've heard
You know he hates the idea that nirvana is an iconic band and not him
I think Billy may be cappin i think Billy made the connection right then an there as Kurt exposed it
The verse are godzilla by böc
Smells like teen spirit and more than a feeling sound nothing alike. A chord progression is not copying a song. It’s simply a rhythm. If you learned from playing classic songs of course that type of rhythm would come up somewhere.
He ain't Kurt, he's Hurt
Sounds nothing like more than a feeling .
It’s nothing more than the similarities in the strumming pattern. It’s not the same chord progression, it’s not in the same key; even if you changed More Than A Feeling into a Minor Key, it would not sound the same. It’s a lame comparison but Kurt was smart enough to know. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
........people searching for "More than a feeling" by Boston..........
That's crazy lol. Nice.
come as you are
Smells like teen spirit is it journey or is it yours Billy? This other interview you explicitly explain how it was your riff but you let it slide cus you got in…hmmm
Billy really reminds me of Dave Mustaine sometimes
Both songs sound very different
Different chord structures as well. I think he's likely saying that it reminded him of the song because of the first 2 chords played. Same thing when I heard "Bullet with Butterfly Wings" and all I could hear was Metallica's "Motorbreath" during the chorus. But those 2 songs sounds nothing alike other than the chords in the chorus being the same.
It’s people like this interviewer that makes billy corgan arrogant. Sorry man
He always sounds like he's humblebragging with jealously when talking about Nirvana. Like half baked compliments that are actually slights about why the Pumpkins were better, etc.
Yes but still diff song
"More Than Teen Spirit, More Than Teen Spirit, More Than Teen Spirit, More Than Teen Spirit, More Than Teen Spirit"
"Smells Like A Feeling, Smells Like A Feeling, Smells Like A Feeling, Smells Like A Feeling, Smells Like A Feeling"
can you imagine being as creative and good as billy yet somehow right when you come out one of the greatest legends of music of all time kurt cobain is out of nowhere just kicking your butt on every level...its gotta be tough to live with that.
Fun video.
This comment section is so insane. How come that so many kids are talking shit down here in this kinda milieu???????????????????
Bro busted out his government name
I like Corgan but he hasn’t yet written a single song that sold 30 million albums. Envious much, Billy?
Why they using his whole ass government name😭😭
Be skeptical of all bald guys
It's really not that similar... like I get that the first 2 chords are kind of the same... but that's about it really.
Get real. It's totally similar. That's why Kurt would sometimes play it instead of Teen Spirit. Anyone familiar with both songs can hear the similarity. You'd have to be a moron not to.
Story doesn’t add up. They played more than a feeling live at reading. You don’t hear this happen when you go to listen to the live bootlegs of the only Tokyo show nirvana ever played.
He also took music from killing joke
Except it's not. Similar rhythm and first two bar patterns but third and 4th are different. Also its a whole step higher. But close enough I guess at first listen. There are tons of songs that sound similar. At least Boston weren't douchebags about it and threaten to sue like KD Lang did to The Rolling Stones with Anybody Seen My Baby. 🤣
Your audio editor sucks. It’s called a compressor: it makes the quiet and loud sounds the same volume. This is unwatchable
He wanted to be what kurt Cobain was so bad. But he went bald and didn't have the talent or the voice of a generation. So every interview he slights him and his music
Bwa ha ha ha ha. You're obviously not old enough to remember the early 90s and how huge SP was, not only when Nirvana was around, but after Kurt died. Billy never wanted to be Kurt. What's wrong with going bald? What does that even mean? So, he's bald. So what?
What does going bald have to do with music? Michael Stipe went bald and wrote some of the best songs REM ever did
HATER. WHERE DOES HE GET HES MELODIES FROM??
I like Smashing P. but Billy could never wirite a song like teen spirit.
He couldn't because he isn't Kurt. Both may have been abused as children, but they both had very different ideologies, goals, and mindsets at the time. Kurt may have been a better human being(drug abuse and his demons aside) in general than billy, but it still doesn't negate the fact that billy corgan is one of the greatest songwriters of the 90s.
Sure because he wrote way better songs than that piece of s**t ! A mosquito an albino! Really? 😂
@@valamolamb I am talking about the harmonic melodic relationship, the songs of cobain are not as usual as the songs of corgan. It wasn't just major and minor tonality, Kurt went beyond this
jealous? lol
Of what?
I get the sense that ego head Corgan wishes he had written the huge hit Teen Spirit.
Of course. There is competition between all artists. Paul McCartney cried when he heard Brian’s “God Only Knows” and then Brian went almost into depression when he heard “Sgt. Pepper’s”. So I’m sure billy admired Teen Spirit. Cobain could’ve been jealous at Billy’s solo in “Geek USA”.
Corgan has admitted to serious envy of Cobain. He even stated he was suicidal because of Nirvana’s success. It’s a shame because here he implies Nirvana “stole” more than a feeling, which any rationale person would know is bullshit. They share some of the same chords but are clearly two completely different songs. But that’s Billy for you. Always trying to stir some shit up. I still love his music, though.
Its crazy how jealous he is of Nirvana and Kurt. Not only from music but because of Courtney as well.
There is always a sense of envious whenever someone brings up kurt around him
It's not that crazy and he's not that jealous. If you were old enough, you'd realize that Smashing Pumpkins were huge back in the day. Not only that, but their music is more subtle and complex than Nirvana's ever was. SP went on to make more music after Kurt and Nirvana died, well into the late 90s. Nirvana came and went, while SP still survives. Live and let die.
@@alukuhito billy corgan DID state he wanted to kill himself bc of nirvana's success
Oooh, this interview needs less salt and lemon. Cause someone has a hurt butt.
Fat Joe got skinny
Sour boy
Silly Borgan
you are kinda crazy, but we like it ;)
As if.. He hated Kurt and Nirvana..ya there are similarities between the riffs. I doubt very much that is what he thought when he first heard the song.
0:26 Lies i bet.. his hatred is so obvious here. I bet what he really thought when he first heard teen spirit would've been 'damnit! Why didn't I think of this!!'
100 years from now the Pumpkins will be lost to time, but Nirvana will be remembered in the same way we remember Mozart. Dude is jelly.
Jealus
😂
who the fuck calls him William Patrick Corgan?
William Patrick Corgan? I've been out of touch I guess.
He should just go by Billy Patty Corgi at this point
Fat Joe lost a few pounds and that Puerto Rican accent?
Smashing pumpkins forever living in the shadow of Nirvana and Corgan cannot fathom how jealous he is of that
The two don't sound anything alike to me
Every time this guy speaks it's an opportunity for him to
shade someone. Such a turn-off.