Wish they told the normies about Luke and Mara Jade, just briefly, but in regards to Anakin’s attachments, and the jedi, and how Luke was able to combine love and the jedi way where Anakin couldn’t cause of the jedi in the republic.
One of the underrated moments for me regarding Anakin’s feelings/interactions with the Jedi Council come in the Phantom Menace. When the Council refuses to let Anakin join the order, there is a quick closeup of Jake Lloyd’s face where you can see the anger and confusion. To me, it has always represented the seed of distrust that manifested between Anakin and the Council. Because now, this child feels unwelcome, feels like a burden. And as he grows in the Order, there is always some part of him that knows that some Jedi, like Mace, don’t think he belongs there. And Anakin will strive to become the best, most powerful Jedi ever to prove them wrong. And in this pursuit, he begins to lose himself to the dark side.
Really makes what Obi-wan said to Anakin in that flashback on his series more heavy. "Your need to prove yourself may be your downfall" or something like that
that brings up a question i always had - Is it possible or has there ever been any character in SW history (whether in tv, movies, books, comics, video games etc.) who chose the dark path over light to actually achieve whatever goal, ever ended up contented or happy? does the choice of using dark side abilities as a conduit for their passions automatically make them evil? lets talk about it folks...
@@joeg6478 I don’t know of anyone who went dark side and everything worked out well. But I never got into the old EU (Legends) material. Personally, I don’t feel like you can use the dark side and end up happy. George Lucas used to talk about the idea of the dark side is acting out of selfishness and personal power. I think Sith/Dark-side users can get pleasure from getting what they want, but it is fleeting and they search for new power to obtain. Like an addict, they get a hit after winning but it soon fades and they are searching for the next score. I just don’t think someone who using the dark side will ever be satisfied and content.
@Kasey Key - i tend to agree Anakin legit believed he could wield the dark side as a tool to save his wife and overthrow Sidious yet when he actually attained it, he instead tried to murder her, served under his sworn enemy for the rest of his life and eventually forgot her and his kids even existed. Yoda even told Luke during his training the dark side aint more powerful than the light so i don't think it's biggest allure is really about "unnatural" power, that's just a side effect. The chief seduction of the dark side that tempted Dooku, Anakin and all the rest, seems to be Control. Control of bringing "order" to the galaxy, control of people's actions, control of life over death.
@@colbycoolby1592 Last Hope by The Wasp1995 (Later) no wait, I was wrong. That line was from Avengers: Infinite Wars by free man writer. I was reading both of them back to back at the time.
On the note of having an adjective for each clone, Baker's adjective for Rex is "Solid" which makes it even more tragic when we realize he's crying under his helmet in the end.
@@TheRebornJuker No. All due respect, the Normies often have TERRIBLE takes and are far less knowledgeable about franchises. They're fair-weather fans.
@@williammccormick984 i mean when they react to things like sunny in philadelphia they apologize everytime they make a joke...when it comes to more funny/darker shows blind wave are the biggest pussys. Other than that i agree
What I love about the Clone Wars is that it originally began as an extension of the prequels, but over time the prequels became an extension of the Clone Wars instead.
57:00 I wonder if a reason why Yoda has such a good relationship with Wookiees is because of their shared longer lifespans. If a Wookiee is five hundred and Yoda is 900 that Wookiee would have been over half Yoda’s age.
I would love to see The Normies rewatch Revenge of the Sith after watching Clone Wars. When they first watched it, they didn't know who Plo Koon or Kit Fisto was. But watching Order 66 with the knowledge of the Clone Wars HITS DIFFERENT.
I like the point about how Rex doesn't hesitate and how his hesitation during order 66 saves Ahsoka. It really comes full fircle since way back in the Rookies episode he shoots the "clone" immediately upon seeing the droid attack flare.
I love star wars so much, but unfortunately I don't have someone close to me that has watched star wars, so I can't have those types of deep conversations, but I always love it when there's a great discussion like this
In my honest opinion Anakin brought balance to the force in 2 key ways: 1. The balance of duty and love. Both sides lacked true compassion and love that Anakin showed Luke and in Legends he allowed Jedi to have families and encouraged Love 2. He removed politics from Jedi. Luke’s new order wasn’t tied to the New Republic like the old order was.
By defeating Sidious, Anakin does restore balance as the evil sith has lost all of its power. But because of sneaky ways of the sith, they always leave some backup plan to help restore power to the Sith if the main plan fails. I don't like how it's being looked at since Palpy returned in ep 9 that Anakin didn't restore balance to anything, and that the only thing Anakin did was express his love to Luke by saving him. That really lowballs Anakins character.
You released this before the Normies released the reaction to the last two episodes of Clone Wars on their channel? Well this video will need to be put on hold LOL
@@graystark240actually they mentioned it might get released earlier within video itself, and it was recorded like a month ago or smth, so i think they agreed to do it like that. Still wierd a bit, but it came out within same day so i don't really complain
@@Sarfixell nah for sure. I think they did the best they could. When I mention communication I mean communication between blind wave and the normies. But your not wrong, still the same day.
1:04:29 Marketa: "[When there's something that you claim is too dangerous] ...you are blinding yourself to the dangers of that thing. Instead you should study it." And that's exactly what Palpatine was telling us in Revenge of the Sith: *_"If one is to understand the great mystery, one must study all its aspects, not just the dogmatic narrow view of the Jedi. If you wish to become a complete and wise leader, you must embrace... a larger view of the Force."_*
Damn when Eric said "I'd do terrible things for my wife", I felt that. Freshman year of high school, I found a spot that was across the street from my high school, but out of the line for the pick-up. One day a group of older kids started harassing me and would not leave me alone. They didn't put a hand on me but we're verbally harassing me. I told my Dad after the second day of it happening and he told me to point them out the next time he came if they were still there. The next day they were still around and when I got in the car I started to tear up and pointed them out. The next thing I knew, my Dad was advancing on them with speed I'd never seen before. He yelled and screamed at them in such a terrifying way I thought he be locked up for life. He never touched them btw. Then he calmly got back into the car and drove me home. From that day on I learned that my family would have my back no matter what and that my Dad would be ready to go to prison for my safety, he literally told the harassers he would! I was never bothered again.
Kinda hurt me that Eric did correct Chris about zero's girlfriend popping "him" him????? Sir that's the most iconic lesbian relationship in star wars history
I saw "Star Wars" in 1977 at 7 years old and have been a fan since. When they introduced Ashoka, I didn't care for her. However, they were the same reasons my little sister annoyed me as kids. LOL I came to love the character in the same way I do Yoda and Luke. Dave Filoni did an excellent job of complete character development with Ahsoka Tano. I am very appreciative of his creation on the level of Lucas. Her journey is how you build a great character. 👍
When Ahsoka first came on the scene, the things people hated about her I loved. Her spunkiness and sass back at Anakin was exactly what he needed. About Anakin and love. It's not so much love that the Jedi were against, it was attachment. The fear of losing. That was what the Jedi warned against. And that was what Anakin's downfall. It's also what Palpatine exploited so masterfully. The real thing that caused the Jedi's downfall was that they didn't recognize that many of their rules and dogma were based on fear. Speaking of the Father, Son, and Daughter, before I ever saw that episode, I wrote a fanfic that was kind of a Star Wars style Dicken's Chrismas Carol in which Anakin went through a series of lessons with a spirit/family, and the people who read it said how much it mirrored that episode... and I had never seen it at the time I wrote it! When I finally saw the episode, I was, damn, am I psychic or something? LOL
Dave filoni tells us a poignant part of the jedis downfall is that they lost their way, and should have been compassionate and Qui Gon Gin was the only one who understood this. We see this in the dual of the fates, which is the fate of Anakin, understanding that you can love selflessly without loving possessively. so in that sense the order fails Anakin, and in turn Anakin falls due to not being able to let go of padme, his mother, Ahsoka etc.. because attachments are for bidden, but not love, something the Jedi had forgotten.
Commenting before knowing if it comes up but Marketa needs to read Dark Disciple! (iirc she hasn't yet...) it's a SUPERB continuation of both Ventress AND Quinlan Vos's stories.
Padme was AMAZING in The Clone Wars. The level of impact she had on how things unfold was unbelievable. She almost screwed Palpatine's plan with democracy and hard work. She really was great. But I guess every character was great. They did an incredible work of giving way more depth to the characters. Anakin went from being seen pretty much like a brat in II and III to a complex character with flaws. The clones were pretty interesting and, as they said, the show totally humanized them. For me this is the best SW content between movies and shows, despite sometimes having a little bit of a childish touch. I wish they did a show like this one about the old republic, they would be able toshow so much depth about that era.
The mandalorian arks and how it continues in rebels the back story and history made the mandalorians so much more intimidating compared to not knowing anything about them
It’s nice to see Eric talking to people who don’t really like the sequels too much because I think all the blind wave crew really like the sequels so there’s never that much debate
Man I didn't know how bad Chris was down for Ventress, ok so who is gonna tell him that in the unfinished arc Ventress was gonna get a haircut and would became 10 times hotter
When I saw the whole clone wars from kid to young teenager, many characters hit me, the clones specially and the one that I never forget aside the main characters and secondary is definitely Captain Gregor, the solitary orange clone commando who stand against a droid army by himself
My favorite arc in Clone Wars is 'The Gathering' with the younglings earning their crystals and making their sabers. I've always loved the 'start of a journey', like my favorite part of all Harry Potter that I watch more than any others is Harry visiting Diagon Alley in the first movie.
43:00 Yes and I've been thinking for a while that Jedi and even the Sith, but specifically the Jedi have been getting weaker and weaker as time goes on. From The Old Republic they were fighting like crazy, displaying really skillful in sync fights. In the prequels they only had a some of that. In the original trilogy they didn't have any of that. And in the sequels they had a pinch, but their force abilities are different and coming back to their roots from the old days. Force Projection is so cool. 1:03:14 That's really cool. I actually teared up seeing him get a medal for his help. He's still a trooper even at that age. 1:08:27 Dooku is the Lord of finesse. 1:11:19 Savage is my 2nd favorite Sith with Maul being my 1st favorite. Savage was awesome and brutal.
Was Palpatine actually hundreds of years old, though? I assume he was an ordinary middle-age human in Episode 1. Maybe early fifties? He wouldn't have been older than ninety or so when he got thrown down the reactor shaft, and the Palpatine in Episode 9 is... maybe a clone or whatever. Who knows? Not hundreds of years old either way, though. Either 120 or so or maybe around 30 and aged very poorly due to dark science fuckery.
I dont know if it's a theory that's already out there in the ether (since I dont follow theory channels or anything) but I think Darth Maul coming back is more mystical and tied to the events upsetting the balance on Mortis, which is a place that reflects the state of the wider galaxy. Rather than the more mundane idea that he survived being halved, survived the fall, literally crawled without a lower body from deep below Naboo, commandeered a ship, navigated to a random planet and sat there quietly without being detected for a couple of decades. It's pretty interesting to me that nobody knew he was alive (the Jedi, Palpatine, Mother Talzin) until suddenly all the relevant factions seem to be able to sense his presence all at once? Maybe Maul didnt survive The Phantom Menace. Then Anakin nudges cosmic events further towards the dark on Mortis, and suddenly here's a darkside wildcard thrown into the mix with vibes that he kinda came back "wrong" or broken/insane somehow from the process. And he has The Son's voice, much like how Ahsoka being "brought back" by The Daughter has left her with this connection to her. I know Star Wars doesn't really do branching timelines, but at the time Revenge of the Sith aired there was no question of Anakin having a secret apprentive (let-alone one that was still alive), or Maul being alive. It may really be the Mortis arc and the intervention of The Daughter and The Son respectively that in-universe led us to a new continuity.
I know I’m a couple of days late, but this is so cool. The clone wars is so good and people that love Star Wars should absolutely watch it (even if you hate the prequels, still check it out). I also loved the cameos of Boba Fett, Chewbacca, and Admiral (Captain at this time) Ackbar. I would love to see a clone wars esque series that takes place during the original trilogy of years before the sequels).
I loved the clones as early as attack of the clones in 2002. I was seven. As early as 2005, and I saw the order 66 scene, that scene made me cry. I wondered if any clones disobeyed the order. I made fan fiction about clones who disobeyed the order
Great discussion! Eric is such a Star wars expert, I love hearing him talk about Star Wars! I enjoy the Normies reactions, but have stayed away from their Star Wars reactions because they tend to be a bit sarcastic, but this helped me understand they like Star wars too.
This was such a cool crossover! I enjoy the Normies and I'm always looking out for informative & positive Star Wars content, so this video and your Ahsoka reaction convinced me to subscribe. Looking forward to checking out your content, old and new!
The dark empire line of comics is in my opinion the best way they could have handled a palpatine return it literally would have been 3times more entertaining then what we got with episode 9
I loved this deep dive. Many things I've thought about Star Wars expressed so well by you guys, and new things to think about too. In the space of this video, I've become more open about the sequels. While the sequels execution might have been major crap, some of the things discussed here has me thinking from a different view now. I'm a little more interested moving forward from the sequels. Hoping for more collabs/deep dives like these for other shows too.
That’s how I see it too :) It’s a shame that the sequels had some glaring issues, but let’s explore the themes it showed and let’s look forward to what else can be done with these characters if they’re handled well
I really liked that we brought the High Republic into this discussion. Looking at those Jedi and their connection to the force compared to the prequels is really interesting.
36:54 I don’t remember the source but I remember reading that because Palpatine was so engulfed in the dark side, that when Anakin turned against out of love he could not feel the betrayal coming Edit: also I’d this is not lore accurate this is still my head cannon
The most criminally underrated line in the entirety of Star Wars... is during the very first introduction of Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan in The Phantom Menace. This is such a small line, and it's such a throwaway line, but in context with EVERYTHING that happens after...? "But Master Yoda said I should be mindful of the future!" That right there is the beginning of Yoda's character arc that will take him all the way to burning the tree on Ahch-To.
49:48 Makes we want to see a What If situation for that crucial point in Star Wars history. Whoever lived through that fight, determines Anakin's fate. What if Qui-Gon had lived? What if Qui-Gon had lived, but Obi-Wan died? What if Maul had killed them both?
1:12:00 One thing that I remember, I dunno who said it, but Rex of all the clones, he is the one who’s fight style and features are the closest or the clone who is more similar to Jango Fett And other thing that I never thought about is what Aaron says: “if the Jedi were suppose to protect and bring balance to the force and the universe as keepers of the peace, why there’s no Jedi on the separatist side, or the planets and the council of the separatist” the only things that I can think about it is that in certain point of the story, the Jedi and the separatist have a disagree (maybe produce by darth plaegis or other Sith Lords) in order to weak the Jedi trough the people. Other thing that I can think off is that whit growing of the government of the republic, the planets see Jedi intervention no longer necessary and that idealism push them to be refuge of the republic in their capital. Either way, if there’s some Jedi on the separatist side, I dunno how Dooku would be consider, maybe he would hide his sith characteristics and play a more political role like palpatine did, in order to gain the trust of those Jedi, but at the end, the critical point of the Jedi was to play neutral and don’t get involved taking decisions themselves. At the end, the villain win when the hero don’t do nothing
I think the answer to a lot of these questions just come down to that it wasn’t thought of at the time, like how palpatine gets grabbed by vader, why high republic jedi were cooler than movie Jedi alot of it just wasn’t considered at the time
I agree with the Normies. I like Star Wars but don't necessarily love it, but watching Blind Wave talk about it and react to it elevates it significantly for me.
I grew up on Clone Wars well before watching the movies and I honestly believe that’s the true way to watch Star Wars. Cause most people watch the movies and see Vader and think “damn that guy is evil/cool”, meanwhile if like me when I first saw A New Hope and saw Vader I thought “damn Anakin is really trapped in there” Also Ahsoka was my first cartoon crush
The final four chapters of Clone Wars is the best thing I've seen in years. It shows that people who love and work with Star Wars for the universe and not for the profits only, can make a terrific job!
i could watch you guys talk star wars and enlighten the normies for hours more than this, very entertaining, should do a part 2! maybe after they get futher in some of the other shows
Eric tends to use his as a point of reference during the after reaction discussion, in a an organic way to to the topic. Suraj tends to throw it into the middle of the reaction in either cynical or meme way.
I agree about that Episode III cut storyline in the senate; I wish they'd release extended versions of the prequels where they add back in scenes like that.
Check out The Normies Star Wars: The Clone Wars Reaction Playlist HERE: th-cam.com/play/PLbZ4CA8my7fR2IZizpla7ywAxWx4_MZ5b.html
Wish they told the normies about Luke and Mara Jade, just briefly, but in regards to Anakin’s attachments, and the jedi, and how Luke was able to combine love and the jedi way where Anakin couldn’t cause of the jedi in the republic.
Eric nearly had genius on the tip of his tongue. "The sith were obsessed with living, the jedi were obsessed with life"
*finger snaps*
Bars
The only part I replayed
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Hour & a half of BlindWave/Normies deep diving into the clone wars for May4th what a moment👌
I hope they do this for rebels and BB too. Maybe not with Eric and Aaron but just hearing the Normies talk about Star Wars is so much fun
More blindwave and normies!
both channels are bad tbh
@@yowhereamilol wrong, just wrong
@@yowhereamilol why are you even here?
I actually found the Normies through this video and began wqtching their entire Star Wars journey right after this. 💜
One of the underrated moments for me regarding Anakin’s feelings/interactions with the Jedi Council come in the Phantom Menace. When the Council refuses to let Anakin join the order, there is a quick closeup of Jake Lloyd’s face where you can see the anger and confusion. To me, it has always represented the seed of distrust that manifested between Anakin and the Council. Because now, this child feels unwelcome, feels like a burden. And as he grows in the Order, there is always some part of him that knows that some Jedi, like Mace, don’t think he belongs there. And Anakin will strive to become the best, most powerful Jedi ever to prove them wrong. And in this pursuit, he begins to lose himself to the dark side.
I think that's an interesting element and one I agree with.
Really makes what Obi-wan said to Anakin in that flashback on his series more heavy. "Your need to prove yourself may be your downfall" or something like that
that brings up a question i always had - Is it possible or has there ever been any character in SW history (whether in tv, movies, books, comics, video games etc.) who chose the dark path over light to actually achieve whatever goal, ever ended up contented or happy? does the choice of using dark side abilities as a conduit for their passions automatically make them evil? lets talk about it folks...
@@joeg6478 I don’t know of anyone who went dark side and everything worked out well. But I never got into the old EU (Legends) material. Personally, I don’t feel like you can use the dark side and end up happy. George Lucas used to talk about the idea of the dark side is acting out of selfishness and personal power. I think Sith/Dark-side users can get pleasure from getting what they want, but it is fleeting and they search for new power to obtain. Like an addict, they get a hit after winning but it soon fades and they are searching for the next score. I just don’t think someone who using the dark side will ever be satisfied and content.
@Kasey Key - i tend to agree Anakin legit believed he could wield the dark side as a tool to save his wife and overthrow Sidious yet when he actually attained it, he instead tried to murder her, served under his sworn enemy for the rest of his life and eventually forgot her and his kids even existed. Yoda even told Luke during his training the dark side aint more powerful than the light so i don't think it's biggest allure is really about "unnatural" power, that's just a side effect. The chief seduction of the dark side that tempted Dooku, Anakin and all the rest, seems to be Control. Control of bringing "order" to the galaxy, control of people's actions, control of life over death.
I love how this went from clone wars to just a full out Star Wars discussion ranging from old republic to sequel trilogy 😂
I recently read this line in a fanfic: “The Darkness may blind you, but stare at the Light too long and you’ll still go blind.”
Name?
@@colbycoolby1592 Last Hope by The Wasp1995
(Later) no wait, I was wrong. That line was from Avengers: Infinite Wars by free man writer.
I was reading both of them back to back at the time.
Wow, what a line
@@bromega2477 Thanks!
@@bromega2477 thats the one where luke time travels right?
On the note of having an adjective for each clone, Baker's adjective for Rex is "Solid" which makes it even more tragic when we realize he's crying under his helmet in the end.
I love how at 37:39 Aaron wants to say something so he catches Eric’s eye and is like “yeah say it!” Lol
Blind Wave, The Normies & Clone Wars! My 3 favorite things!
Blind Wave is a far superior channel.
@@mikelarsen5836 depends on what show they are watching
@@TheRebornJuker No. All due respect, the Normies often have TERRIBLE takes and are far less knowledgeable about franchises. They're fair-weather fans.
@@williammccormick984 i mean when they react to things like sunny in philadelphia they apologize everytime they make a joke...when it comes to more funny/darker shows blind wave are the biggest pussys. Other than that i agree
@@williammccormick984 you could say they are Normies…. It’s not like that’s their whole brand…
What I love about the Clone Wars is that it originally began as an extension of the prequels, but over time the prequels became an extension of the Clone Wars instead.
20:55 when Chris says "Love is the death of duty" says so much about Anakins turn
RIP Maester Aemon
57:00 I wonder if a reason why Yoda has such a good relationship with Wookiees is because of their shared longer lifespans. If a Wookiee is five hundred and Yoda is 900 that Wookiee would have been over half Yoda’s age.
Hmm. Interesting idea. Maybe.
I would love to see The Normies rewatch Revenge of the Sith after watching Clone Wars. When they first watched it, they didn't know who Plo Koon or Kit Fisto was. But watching Order 66 with the knowledge of the Clone Wars HITS DIFFERENT.
We need another one of these after The Normies finish Rebels
I like the point about how Rex doesn't hesitate and how his hesitation during order 66 saves Ahsoka. It really comes full fircle since way back in the Rookies episode he shoots the "clone" immediately upon seeing the droid attack flare.
I love star wars so much, but unfortunately I don't have someone close to me that has watched star wars, so I can't have those types of deep conversations, but I always love it when there's a great discussion like this
I love hearing people talk about Star Wars❤️
I feel like I must've been campaigning for the Normies to watch Clone Wars for a YEAR before they finally did.
Absolutely loved this and hope they do it again for Rebel’s finale
In my honest opinion Anakin brought balance to the force in 2 key ways:
1. The balance of duty and love. Both sides lacked true compassion and love that Anakin showed Luke and in Legends he allowed Jedi to have families and encouraged Love
2. He removed politics from Jedi. Luke’s new order wasn’t tied to the New Republic like the old order was.
By defeating Sidious, Anakin does restore balance as the evil sith has lost all of its power. But because of sneaky ways of the sith, they always leave some backup plan to help restore power to the Sith if the main plan fails.
I don't like how it's being looked at since Palpy returned in ep 9 that Anakin didn't restore balance to anything, and that the only thing Anakin did was express his love to Luke by saving him. That really lowballs Anakins character.
You released this before the Normies released the reaction to the last two episodes of Clone Wars on their channel? Well this video will need to be put on hold LOL
Just watched it but they do t really talk about the final arc. I’m assuming that’s in the reaction
It’s out now!
The way all of this was released is really weird. Not a lot of communication
@@graystark240actually they mentioned it might get released earlier within video itself, and it was recorded like a month ago or smth, so i think they agreed to do it like that.
Still wierd a bit, but it came out within same day so i don't really complain
@@Sarfixell nah for sure. I think they did the best they could. When I mention communication I mean communication between blind wave and the normies. But your not wrong, still the same day.
1:04:29 Marketa: "[When there's something that you claim is too dangerous] ...you are blinding yourself to the dangers of that thing. Instead you should study it."
And that's exactly what Palpatine was telling us in Revenge of the Sith: *_"If one is to understand the great mystery, one must study all its aspects, not just the dogmatic narrow view of the Jedi. If you wish to become a complete and wise leader, you must embrace... a larger view of the Force."_*
Damn when Eric said "I'd do terrible things for my wife", I felt that. Freshman year of high school, I found a spot that was across the street from my high school, but out of the line for the pick-up. One day a group of older kids started harassing me and would not leave me alone. They didn't put a hand on me but we're verbally harassing me. I told my Dad after the second day of it happening and he told me to point them out the next time he came if they were still there. The next day they were still around and when I got in the car I started to tear up and pointed them out. The next thing I knew, my Dad was advancing on them with speed I'd never seen before. He yelled and screamed at them in such a terrifying way I thought he be locked up for life. He never touched them btw. Then he calmly got back into the car and drove me home. From that day on I learned that my family would have my back no matter what and that my Dad would be ready to go to prison for my safety, he literally told the harassers he would! I was never bothered again.
Can't wait for the final Normies TCW reaction to release!
Blindwave & Normies.. it’s so trippy and cool to hear them all in one space 😁
Kinda hurt me that Eric did correct Chris about zero's girlfriend popping "him" him????? Sir that's the most iconic lesbian relationship in star wars history
I can watch eric talk about star wars all day
Always cool to see you guys together
I saw "Star Wars" in 1977 at 7 years old and have been a fan since. When they introduced Ashoka, I didn't care for her. However, they were the same reasons my little sister annoyed me as kids. LOL
I came to love the character in the same way I do Yoda and Luke. Dave Filoni did an excellent job of complete character development with Ahsoka Tano. I am very appreciative of his creation on the level of Lucas.
Her journey is how you build a great character. 👍
When Ahsoka first came on the scene, the things people hated about her I loved. Her spunkiness and sass back at Anakin was exactly what he needed.
About Anakin and love. It's not so much love that the Jedi were against, it was attachment. The fear of losing. That was what the Jedi warned against. And that was what Anakin's downfall. It's also what Palpatine exploited so masterfully.
The real thing that caused the Jedi's downfall was that they didn't recognize that many of their rules and dogma were based on fear.
Speaking of the Father, Son, and Daughter, before I ever saw that episode, I wrote a fanfic that was kind of a Star Wars style Dicken's Chrismas Carol in which Anakin went through a series of lessons with a spirit/family, and the people who read it said how much it mirrored that episode... and I had never seen it at the time I wrote it! When I finally saw the episode, I was, damn, am I psychic or something? LOL
Dave filoni tells us a poignant part of the jedis downfall is that they lost their way, and should have been compassionate and Qui Gon Gin was the only one who understood this. We see this in the dual of the fates, which is the fate of Anakin, understanding that you can love selflessly without loving possessively. so in that sense the order fails Anakin, and in turn Anakin falls due to not being able to let go of padme, his mother, Ahsoka etc.. because attachments are for bidden, but not love, something the Jedi had forgotten.
Commenting before knowing if it comes up but Marketa needs to read Dark Disciple! (iirc she hasn't yet...)
it's a SUPERB continuation of both Ventress AND Quinlan Vos's stories.
I could watch a thousand of these.
May the 4th be with you Blind Wave
Padme was AMAZING in The Clone Wars. The level of impact she had on how things unfold was unbelievable. She almost screwed Palpatine's plan with democracy and hard work. She really was great. But I guess every character was great. They did an incredible work of giving way more depth to the characters. Anakin went from being seen pretty much like a brat in II and III to a complex character with flaws. The clones were pretty interesting and, as they said, the show totally humanized them. For me this is the best SW content between movies and shows, despite sometimes having a little bit of a childish touch.
I wish they did a show like this one about the old republic, they would be able toshow so much depth about that era.
The mandalorian arks and how it continues in rebels the back story and history made the mandalorians so much more intimidating compared to not knowing anything about them
Thanks for posting this. Never watched the normies so I’m down for this
It’s nice to see Eric talking to people who don’t really like the sequels too much because I think all the blind wave crew really like the sequels so there’s never that much debate
The BlindWave crew don't dislike anything, lol.
A fun get together, I saw the reactors Vkunia and Mary Cherry record one together as well. Y'all have fun
12:17 Never forget that 1000 years of Sith planning and Palpatine’s plot was almost ended by Padme!
Man I didn't know how bad Chris was down for Ventress, ok so who is gonna tell him that in the unfinished arc Ventress was gonna get a haircut and would became 10 times hotter
When I saw the whole clone wars from kid to young teenager, many characters hit me, the clones specially and the one that I never forget aside the main characters and secondary is definitely Captain Gregor, the solitary orange clone commando who stand against a droid army by himself
well hot damn are we spoiled for this Star Wars day. May the fourth be with ya'll, Blindwave x Normies!!!!!!
Great stream guys! Loved hearing your opinions and conversation about the CW!
Thanks to all of you! 🌌 #StarWarsWaveSquadron #StarWarsDay #MayThe4thBeWithYou #StarWars #TheCloneWars
My favorite arc in Clone Wars is 'The Gathering' with the younglings earning their crystals and making their sabers. I've always loved the 'start of a journey', like my favorite part of all Harry Potter that I watch more than any others is Harry visiting Diagon Alley in the first movie.
43:00 Yes and I've been thinking for a while that Jedi and even the Sith, but specifically the Jedi have been getting weaker and weaker as time goes on. From The Old Republic they were fighting like crazy, displaying really skillful in sync fights. In the prequels they only had a some of that. In the original trilogy they didn't have any of that. And in the sequels they had a pinch, but their force abilities are different and coming back to their roots from the old days. Force Projection is so cool.
1:03:14 That's really cool. I actually teared up seeing him get a medal for his help. He's still a trooper even at that age.
1:08:27 Dooku is the Lord of finesse.
1:11:19 Savage is my 2nd favorite Sith with Maul being my 1st favorite. Savage was awesome and brutal.
Was Palpatine actually hundreds of years old, though? I assume he was an ordinary middle-age human in Episode 1. Maybe early fifties? He wouldn't have been older than ninety or so when he got thrown down the reactor shaft, and the Palpatine in Episode 9 is... maybe a clone or whatever. Who knows? Not hundreds of years old either way, though. Either 120 or so or maybe around 30 and aged very poorly due to dark science fuckery.
He’s exactly 50 in ep1. 86 when he falls down the shaft. 117 in ep9 (his mind is 117)
I dont know if it's a theory that's already out there in the ether (since I dont follow theory channels or anything) but I think Darth Maul coming back is more mystical and tied to the events upsetting the balance on Mortis, which is a place that reflects the state of the wider galaxy. Rather than the more mundane idea that he survived being halved, survived the fall, literally crawled without a lower body from deep below Naboo, commandeered a ship, navigated to a random planet and sat there quietly without being detected for a couple of decades. It's pretty interesting to me that nobody knew he was alive (the Jedi, Palpatine, Mother Talzin) until suddenly all the relevant factions seem to be able to sense his presence all at once? Maybe Maul didnt survive The Phantom Menace. Then Anakin nudges cosmic events further towards the dark on Mortis, and suddenly here's a darkside wildcard thrown into the mix with vibes that he kinda came back "wrong" or broken/insane somehow from the process. And he has The Son's voice, much like how Ahsoka being "brought back" by The Daughter has left her with this connection to her.
I know Star Wars doesn't really do branching timelines, but at the time Revenge of the Sith aired there was no question of Anakin having a secret apprentive (let-alone one that was still alive), or Maul being alive. It may really be the Mortis arc and the intervention of The Daughter and The Son respectively that in-universe led us to a new continuity.
I know I’m a couple of days late, but this is so cool. The clone wars is so good and people that love Star Wars should absolutely watch it (even if you hate the prequels, still check it out). I also loved the cameos of Boba Fett, Chewbacca, and Admiral (Captain at this time) Ackbar. I would love to see a clone wars esque series that takes place during the original trilogy of years before the sequels).
That Suraj quote at the beginning sets the tone up perfectly. Lmao
shout out to Normies! always bringing the fun vibes - im sure they received a lot of new fans and hopefully subscribers! May the force be with yous!
It is so fun seeing new fans come into the fold of stories. Loved this.
Great discussion! Always good to hear that the love of star wars is growing.
I loved the clones as early as attack of the clones in 2002. I was seven. As early as 2005, and I saw the order 66 scene, that scene made me cry. I wondered if any clones disobeyed the order. I made fan fiction about clones who disobeyed the order
Watch Bad Batch?
@@kwanarchive Of course.
Great discussion! Eric is such a Star wars expert, I love hearing him talk about Star Wars! I enjoy the Normies reactions, but have stayed away from their Star Wars reactions because they tend to be a bit sarcastic, but this helped me understand they like Star wars too.
This was such a cool crossover! I enjoy the Normies and I'm always looking out for informative & positive Star Wars content, so this video and your Ahsoka reaction convinced me to subscribe. Looking forward to checking out your content, old and new!
The best collab EVER!!!!
Throughout my entire first watch through of The Clone Wars, all I could shout at my laptop was STOP KILLING CLONES!!
The dark empire line of comics is in my opinion the best way they could have handled a palpatine return it literally would have been 3times more entertaining then what we got with episode 9
I loved this deep dive. Many things I've thought about Star Wars expressed so well by you guys, and new things to think about too. In the space of this video, I've become more open about the sequels. While the sequels execution might have been major crap, some of the things discussed here has me thinking from a different view now. I'm a little more interested moving forward from the sequels. Hoping for more collabs/deep dives like these for other shows too.
That’s how I see it too :) It’s a shame that the sequels had some glaring issues, but let’s explore the themes it showed and let’s look forward to what else can be done with these characters if they’re handled well
Perfect to end my birthday with my fav reactors talking about clone wars
Dave Filoni could honestly never stop giving us animated Star Wars content, and it’ll always be the best Star Wars content that exists.
That was such a fun time listening to you all talk about star wars, hope there will be more discussions like this in the future
I love the clone wars, favourite star wars content
The Mortis Arc is the best!!!
Its really nice to see you guys together . . .
just to correct eric on one little thing. Palpatine was born 84 BBY son in Return he would be around 88 years old
My squeal of delight when I saw you are all there together! 🥰
Im shocked after all they’ve questioned it they didnt ask more about sifo-dyas
They do talk about him though
Chris trying to be so diplomatic when talking about his issues with the Sequel Trilogy 😂
Can't wait for when you do this again after they watched Rebels.
I really liked that we brought the High Republic into this discussion. Looking at those Jedi and their connection to the force compared to the prequels is really interesting.
36:54 I don’t remember the source but I remember reading that because Palpatine was so engulfed in the dark side, that when Anakin turned against out of love he could not feel the betrayal coming
Edit: also I’d this is not lore accurate this is still my head cannon
The most criminally underrated line in the entirety of Star Wars... is during the very first introduction of Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan in The Phantom Menace. This is such a small line, and it's such a throwaway line, but in context with EVERYTHING that happens after...?
"But Master Yoda said I should be mindful of the future!"
That right there is the beginning of Yoda's character arc that will take him all the way to burning the tree on Ahch-To.
Not really.
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Okay, hyperbole aside, I think it IS more significant than people give it credit for.
49:48 Makes we want to see a What If situation for that crucial point in Star Wars history. Whoever lived through that fight, determines Anakin's fate. What if Qui-Gon had lived? What if Qui-Gon had lived, but Obi-Wan died? What if Maul had killed them both?
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One thing that I remember, I dunno who said it, but Rex of all the clones, he is the one who’s fight style and features are the closest or the clone who is more similar to Jango Fett
And other thing that I never thought about is what Aaron says: “if the Jedi were suppose to protect and bring balance to the force and the universe as keepers of the peace, why there’s no Jedi on the separatist side, or the planets and the council of the separatist” the only things that I can think about it is that in certain point of the story, the Jedi and the separatist have a disagree (maybe produce by darth plaegis or other Sith Lords) in order to weak the Jedi trough the people. Other thing that I can think off is that whit growing of the government of the republic, the planets see Jedi intervention no longer necessary and that idealism push them to be refuge of the republic in their capital.
Either way, if there’s some Jedi on the separatist side, I dunno how Dooku would be consider, maybe he would hide his sith characteristics and play a more political role like palpatine did, in order to gain the trust of those Jedi, but at the end, the critical point of the Jedi was to play neutral and don’t get involved taking decisions themselves.
At the end, the villain win when the hero don’t do nothing
I think the answer to a lot of these questions just come down to that it wasn’t thought of at the time, like how palpatine gets grabbed by vader, why high republic jedi were cooler than movie Jedi alot of it just wasn’t considered at the time
I need more Star Wars friends!
Man I’d love to see more discussions like this 🤩
I agree with the Normies. I like Star Wars but don't necessarily love it, but watching Blind Wave talk about it and react to it elevates it significantly for me.
Plo Koon was so dope. Makes me wonder how many of the clones that shot him down and killed him were in that pod with him in space.
It was just one clone pilot but still would be sad if he was a 104th trooper
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This is exactly how I play The Force Unleashed games when I do my Dark Side run. I never move faster than a walk.
An amazing crossover episode!
I grew up on Clone Wars well before watching the movies and I honestly believe that’s the true way to watch Star Wars. Cause most people watch the movies and see Vader and think “damn that guy is evil/cool”, meanwhile if like me when I first saw A New Hope and saw Vader I thought “damn Anakin is really trapped in there”
Also Ahsoka was my first cartoon crush
Don't know jack shit about Star Wars. Just glad to see my two favorite groups of people in another crossover
Lmaoo same
To see you guys team up is amazing
The final four chapters of Clone Wars is the best thing I've seen in years. It shows that people who love and work with Star Wars for the universe and not for the profits only, can make a terrific job!
I LOVED this, great video, great talk, I hope more to come!
This is where the fun begins 🙏🏽 💪
Fantastic discussion! I hope you guys are invited back for the Rebels finale and have another discussion.
i could watch you guys talk star wars and enlighten the normies for hours more than this, very entertaining, should do a part 2! maybe after they get futher in some of the other shows
Loved it when you made videos together last year and this was fantastic.
It's funny hearing Suraj beat himself up over making Lost references when I can't even recall a single video where Eric doesn't mention Star Wars
Eric tends to use his as a point of reference during the after reaction discussion, in a an organic way to to the topic. Suraj tends to throw it into the middle of the reaction in either cynical or meme way.
The crossover we didn’t know we wanted, but we all loved!
I mean I KNOW I wanted this crossover tho lmfao always a good time when these 2 channels do stuff together.
We need more of this 🙏
I agree about that Episode III cut storyline in the senate; I wish they'd release extended versions of the prequels where they add back in scenes like that.
i cant see this because i haven't finished Clone Wars but this reunions make my day
i could of listened to this forever... my god i love star wars
What a treat!