Seasteading
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- Discover the captivating history and future of seasteading! From ancient island-builders to pirate radio stations, explore the quest for autonomous communities at sea. Dive into the modern movement with Silicon Valley's failed project and the cutting-edge oceanic pods available today.
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Reminds me of a line from "The Man Who Was Thursday" by G. K. Chesterton:
'The poor have occasionally objected to being governed badly, but the wealthy have always objected to being governed at all.'
I am shocked how little this concept is used in science fiction. A dystopian paradise on the ocean blue seems like an interesting setting.
That was one of the best draws about the SeaQuest series, before NBC stepped in and tried to turn it into underwater Star Trek -- they had some great stories about various underwater communities that the SeaQuest had to visit and/or protect.
@@olencone4005 Yes!
Waterworld❤
Sealab 2021 😂
@noiseusa I mean, there are _some_ examples, but it feels like something that could be a sci-fi trope in its own right, especially for the more realistic sci-fi that take place on earth. Its just as interesting, if not more so, than the desert planet trope.
Seasteading has been imagined many times in novels, from Jules Verne's 1895 science-fiction book Propeller Island about an artificial island designed to travel the waters of the Pacific Ocean, to the 2003 novel The Scar, which featured a floating city named Armada. It has been a central concept in some movies, notably Waterworld (1995), and in TV series such as Stargate Atlantis, which had a complete floating city. It is common setting in video games, forming the premise of the Bioshock series, Brink, and Call of Duty: Black Ops II; and in anime, such as Gargantia on the Verdurous Planet which takes place mainly on a traveling city made of an interconnected fleet of ocean ships.
It's also a prominent theme in the game Raft.
I was reading the first 2 sentences of you comment, and was like "no way he is going to mention Gargantia"
Well played, man of culture.
Maybe we should build mansions on sea cliffs?
Or deep in hills that flood yearly?
How about avalanche prone areas?
It's not like oceans are dangerous or anything...
I was employee #5 at The Seasteading Institute back in 2008 when we were in an empty ex-Facebook building in downtown Palo Alto. I heard about it on Econtalk back in 2006 or 2007, so I volunteered but was hired on the spot. I became Operations Manager and also did some forum moderation (fun stuff there) as well as donor outreach and perk deliveries. If you donated back in 2008-2012, you probably heard from me (and hopefully I sent you a shirt).
It was one of the most exciting things I've ever done. All the journalists called us insane, and academics thought we were trying to make murder islands and stuff. Conservatives thought we were commies, liberals thought we were fascists. We had a pretty eclectic community of boaters, reactionaries, libertarians, fishermen, bitcoiners, potheads, and everyone else, so if you were in a room of 10 seasteaders you'd get 10 different opinions on something.
Highlights included launching Ephemerisle in 2009 in the Sacramento Delta, which was a 48-hour marathon of trying to keep 10 platforms attached and afloat without killing anybody. One almost caught on fire one night when a guy put some highly combustible oil in the tiki torches. The guy running that project was Chicken John who was a character if I ever saw one.
The Seasteading Conference was crazy too. It was a tiny venue, but we had some of the top thinkers in the world arguing with each other over feasibility. I was bummed we didn't do one in 2010.
Patri was an awesome boss. His emphasis was on experimental economics. I got to meet his dad David a few times, who's definitely one of the smartest people in the world. I also got to meet people like Moldbug, Peter Thiel, a bunch of transhumanists. Later Randy Hencken became my boss, who had done communications there. His emphasis shifted to experimental therapeutics. I ended up meeting a ton of pro-psychadellic folks who are also brutally smart.
Honduras falling through sucked. We had a cruise ship that sat collecting barnacles for a year. The Phuket launch was scary.
I only quit to pursue stunts fulltime, but that job was awesome. It was like an intellectual safari. I learned to think less about what people "should" do, and more about what people "could" do. It made politics seem silly, because in a room with a bunch of people disagreeing on policy, the seasteaders' focus was on how to make sure they could all do what they wanted to do. That's the opposite of every political conversation you have in a democracy.
Did they ever talk about the size of the military they would need to have to avoid getting raided ? I think it would be a fun project to see if you could make it mostly self sufficient to help with improving research into human colonization and terraforming.
@@southcoastinventors6583 Sealand has done a pretty good job with no military. But the sand pile off Samoa failed badly. This was why the falling out with Honduras was so sad, and the Thai situation had everyone on edge.
I forgot to mention, the job also brought me to Seborga, an autonomous principality of Italy and I met the princess. Awesome place.
@@EricJacobusOfficial Hey wish you the best luck hope one day you get enough funding to make these projects possible also don't forget the antiship/anitpersonnel rockets.
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@@EricJacobusOfficial i remenber having some interactions with the SSI, the wiki is... barebones, the whole initiative seems to be a "everyone is free to donate" kind of deal, so much so that the finantial page has become a billboard for failed coins, there are "studies"... but most are very little more than pontetial ideais on certain communities, the whole intentions arent bad... but it needs a whole lot more of cohesion, maybe i could work on the wiki...
Another historical example would be the Aztec building Tenochtitlan (today Mexico City) on top of Lake Texcoco
Not in the Sea though
@@southcoastinventors6583 Neither were the people living on Lake Titicaca, but it was still featured in this video.
7:10 thanks for the jumpscare fart noise 😂
And the sudden cut at the end😂
3:21 I cant be the only one thinking they just ran out of space so they stopped short of spelling “Radio Mercury”🤣
In the early 90's there was a book by Marshall Savage called "The Millennial Project" that laid out a general blueprint for colonizing the stars -- and seasteading was the first step. The idea was to use building self-sustaining colonies at sea to develop the technology and techniques used for building space colonies. He set up the First Millennial Foundation to try and build support for the idea (I did some graphic design work for them back in the day), but I don't think it really caught on... the Millennial Foundation later rebranded to the Living Universe Foundation which, unfortunately, doesn't seem to be particularly active :(
I'm glad someone brought up this book. It was a very interesting read.
Well, you cant live on a star. So theres that
@@John_Redcorn_ Stars have planets. You can live on them. So... yeah. 😑
@@olencone4005 yes but you cant ‘colonize’ a star. A star is not a planet
@@John_Redcorn_ Ah, I see, you're being intentionally pedantic to overcompensate for your shortcomings. How dull.
You should have mentioned the world's biggest seasteading settlement: Makoko, the "floating slum" in Nigeria, which has a population of over 85,000. No other community on stilts comes anywhere close to this in size.
Seasteading gets explored fairly frequently in anime. Some notable examples are "Gargantia on the Verdurous Planet", where large communities of future humans live on gigantic floating megastructures that are essentially hodge-podges of various restored ships and barges that are then bolted together. It depicts a lot of the challenges that such an existence would entail, including securing food and fresh water, dealing with inclement weather, fending off pirates, and struggling to maintain a successful community of nomads as groups join the fleet or split off on their own journeys.
Other examples include "Nanana's Buried Treasure" and "The Asterisk War", which are both similar in that they focus on the concept of gigantic floating megacities being deliberately created for the purpose of establishing academies, research facilities, and corporate offices in neutral locations to promote development free of restriction and interference from traditional influences. There are others as well. The presentation of seasteading in these futuristic settings is usually as a vibrant environment full of hope that covers up something more dystopian. Very interesting concept that will likely see more development in the future as sea levels and global population rise. Let's just hope it doesn't go the way of Waterworld.
And you have Girls und Panzer's school ships which are basically floating cities that look like various aircraft carriers(most of them from the WWII era).
Ah, I see you are a man of culture as well.
So the best the tech bros could offer was indentured servitude in a company store? That’s on brand
Libertarians, not tech bros. They couldn't care less about the tech, it's just a way to draw people in and make money. That's what their cries of "free market" and "small government" actually translates into.
I've read/listened to quite a bit on modern seasteading, and the pattern is always:
- Billionaire tech bro doesn't like paying tax
- He and a few fellow tech bros create a grossly over-promising video that gets the Elon-simps going
- Realise nations do need to pay for things like sewage removal, so rebrand tax as something tech sounding
- Turns out they lied about the actual level of investment or permissions from now angry governments
- Project ends quietly because [something about dreaming too big]
- Billionaire tech bro doesn't like paying tax....
Inteligent people dont like being robbed.
you seem like a ton of fun at parties.... spending you life criticizing the same people who have lifted human civilization from a life of 16 hours a day 6 days a week of non stop labor through technology innovation ... you and your ilk see these inventors as evil.... you and all of those like you are the scourge of human existence ... living off of creators innovations and intelligence while "blaming" them for the sad state of your pathetic life
There was another idea, a giant floating barge/ship that would very, very slowly cruise up and down the east or west coast of America, with thousands living there, it's own heliport and marina for speedboats, with the entire enterprise being designed as a tax dodge for rich people and their companies, all of whom would declare their cabin to be their primary residence and a post office box on the ship as the HQ of their companies. It's amazing how hyper focused the fabulously wealthy are on schemes to not have to pay taxes.
That was Blueseed. It shut down due to lack of funding.
Another similar scheme actually managed to get their ship, the Satoshi. That one was run by real idealists - a few people who got rich betting on bitcoin at the right time and imagined their ship as a libertarian paradise at sea. They got their ship, but found that the running costs were a lot higher than expected (crew still want paying!), and that the open ocean is not so lawless as they had imagined rendering all their intended revenue sources impractical. Eventually they gave up and sold the ship at a loss.
There was a book in the early 1990s, _The Millennial Project_ , which proposed the construction of several hundred seastead arcologies as a step towards space colonization. The book was predicated on the use of several cutting-edge construction and power-generation techniques which, for better or worse, never really worked out. The seasteads would be built around ocean thermal generators, which would be used to power not only the floating cities but a system of linear accelerators and launching lasers for space missions, which was also unlikely to be practical.
As with most seasteading projects, much of the plan lay with the assumption that, being outside of territorial waters, they wouldn't be subject to other nations' laws; how they would defend themselves from any potential attack or invasion - especially if the power generation and orbital launch systems worked as planned, something many countries would covet - was never explained.
The group behind the book, the Millennial Foundation (later renamed the Living Universe Foundation) still exists as far as I know, though they had something of a schism in the early 2000s, with several former members defecting to a different micronation project, 'New Utopia'.
That project, under a Libertarian calling himself 'Lazarus Long' (after a well-known Robert Heinlein character) claimed to be forming 'The Principality of New Utopia', which was going to be an underwater seastead in the Caribbean. Since 'Long' died a few years back, I don't know what has happened with that group since.
That laser to boost craft into orbit was suppossed to be steerable for nearby threats for defense. Still not practical as someone would find a way to sabotage it. Alliance with some neighboring Nation would most likely be a necessity.
Boy, you could make a very long video about the dangers of these things when hurricanes/ typhoons come by or a host of other easily understandable disasters that could befall them !
Couldn't stop thinking about the film, Water world 😂
IVe seen that TV show, its called STargate Atlantis... and it sinks... and flys through space... its a whole thing...
I was surprised Freedom-Ship didn’t make it into this list. Maybe it deserves its own video?
YES please do a video on this
Surprised the people of Ha Long Bay weren't mentioned as communities of seasteaders, as they never step foot on dry land their entire lives.
Also, fun fact about Sealand is they have 3 international football 🏈 teams, a mixed, a women's and a flag squad.
I always love Sealand stories!
I had no clue the history of pirate radio was so intense
Same. Didnt expect to learn about scientology
The UK's efforts to stop the offshore broadcasts got very aggressive in the 60s. There were internationally-coordinated raids, and an attempt to cut off supplies to boats by making it a criminal offence to transport any supplies or materials to a ship operating an unlicensed transmitter - so the only way to get food was smuggling under cover of darkness, dodging coastguard boats that were trying to catch and arrest anyone making a delivery run. Offshore pirate radio was finally ended in 1990 with an amendment in which the UK government declared that /any/ ship transmitting a radio station which could be received in the UK, regardless of location, and irrespective of country of registration, was subject to UK law and may be seized by force. This is not exactly good diplomatic practice, asserting the power to unilaterally seize ships registered in another country even far from British territorial waters, but it had the desired effect: The threat of having a helicopter full of heavily-armed special forces soldiers arrive to seize a ship was enough to deter any continued operations.
There are still pirate radio stations in the UK, mostly around London, but they are short-range now - depending on disposable, easily-concealed transmitters. Stuff one down a drainpipe and it could take weeks for Ofcom to find and destroy it.
@@vylbird8014 to be fair, the diplomatic implications of seizing/forcibly boarding a ship with a relatively short range transmitter operating off the coast of Britain transmitting essentially exclusively to the UK (even if registered to another country or no country at all) are vastly different to forcibly boarding/seizing a ship halfway across the world transmitting primarily to another country entirely registered to an unrelated country that just happens to occasionally have transmissions reach the UK under ideal weather conditions. Obviously there are grey areas in between, and most cases likely aren't so cut and dry, but still, especially given how international law is essentially just things that countries agree to with zero actually binding authority... there's a solid chance that such a law from the UK would only be used in the diplomatically favorable situations, even though it technically declares authority even in extreme fringe cases. Piracy (i.e. attacking/robbing/kidnapping people from a ship) laws are similarly aggressive in nature when dealing with major world powers. But enforcement varies wildly based not on legal circumstances so much as diplomatic implications
The amount of videos you lads churn out is absolute insanity.
There's some great seastead artwork out there. These days thanks to indoor vertical farming we know we do not need soil (nor Sun, and very little water and space). Many people live on boats. They have a lot of freedom but can;t really grow their own food. Even a modest seastead could change that, giving people enough room to grow crops and make not only food but bio-replacement parts. It could be true self sufficiency. Of course, you could do that on land too.
Seasteads share lot in common with vertical farming if you invested in either you would have lost you shirt and possibly you underwear.
@@southcoastinventors6583 Vertical farming has been successful to date and is spreading.
@@Montie-AdkinsAbsolutely. That person is just clueless and ignorant about the world’s food supplies.
@@Montie-Adkins
Yes, so succesfull everyone that tried it gave up. And yes, it's spreading and also collapsing. People that take it up give up fast. No, it's not spreading. It's not successful either.
@@darlenefraser3022
Yes, vertical farming is "absolutely successful and spreading" although it failed and nobody uses it. No, it not successful nor spreading. If you want to see someone clueless and ignorant about the world's food supplies look in the mirror. That guy's knowledgeable. Ignorant and clueless people like yourself call knowledgeable people clueless and ignorant.
Pirate Radio is an excellent movie.
Going to be starting our own little seastead on the Alberni inlet with some old logging camp barges soon as our house sells
I think hurricanes and monsoons would have something to say about floating cities.
Build near the Equator. With no Coriolis Effect, larger storms can't organize. Thus, the worst storms are avoided. As a benefit, the warm equatorial surface waters would help an OTEC function. Ocean Thermal Energy Conversion could be the heart of a floating city.
I seasteaded for five years.
We even had an airport on the roof.
Did you ever find the bowling alley.?
Floating houses are somewhat common on the coast of British Columbia. Some are in organized neighbourhoods, but some individuals look for a cove or fjord to tie up in alone.
I’m glad you mentioned Sealand. I love those guys! 😀
I think conquering the seas is going to be our precursor the conquering the stars.
sea borne settlements i believe will be playing a part in our development but considering how no city on earth is self sufficient and no country is fully self sufficient the chances of such an expensive expansion being self sufficient are near 0
though as i say they do have a part because we have examples of our cities requiring heavy amounts of imports and countries needing trade.
from the simplest level though you can try and create some deep sea farms for seaweed and/or fish and would provide a new way to produce low density housing in areas rapidly running out of places to put any housing.
solar farms would also see a healthy partnership with a seaborne settlement since the cool water beneath them would help to passively cool the panels which currently is one of the largest hurdles for solar
And… first thing to come to my mind was the Bioshock franchises underwater city “Rapture”. Oh…. Boy.
I love that you posted this right after those guys seasteadded in Titan near the Titanic wreck
I designed a ship that sat on top of a submarine. The ship was the life of the submarine through an umbilical cord system.
This way one could get away from weather or nuclear disasters.
Learning to survive on life at a depth that wouldn't be effected by disasters.
The submarine was to dock to the floor bed. Unfortunately, the location I choosed has an old Spanish ship wreck.
I was once asked when was the happiest time of my life? I said when I lived next to the ocean.
My design start out as just a simple place for me to get away from humanity. Then the submarine got added. Then I looked at turning the submarine into a science research vessel and then into a 3 day underwater vacation.
The submarine alone would need 25 million dollars.
25 Million? I used to know a guy who could do it for a tenth that, but he hasn't been answering my calls since he went to ferry some tourists on a wreck-viewing dive.
Has any of the Seasteading organizations incorporated Waveline Magnet generators, solar panels, wind turbines, and vertical farming into their plans?
I am seasteader and for me, it's not about taxes but rather about the new frontier and overall tabula rasa thing. People should have a place where they can easily get entrance approval, easily start their own business or get hired and have a very transparent state. Also, one interesting point - people should have the right to experimental medicine. Like, cancer patients should have the right to ask for unapproved genetic therapy, etc. If somebody is interested, I can write more.
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Makes a lot more sense to focus on large offshore wind and solar infrastructure so that there is economic activity that bring people there to service and can be used as dual use platforms for marine agriculture. Focusing on making commodies at sea and only worrying about temporary housing for employees at first is a better path forward than trying to build some superyacht money pit.
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I met some of the Sealand guys at DefCon 8 back in 2000. Really cool guys, i was bummed to hear about the fire. It seemed like such a cool idea.
this video touched on pirate radio. i remember seeing a movie when i was little, about a pirate radio being operated from a B-17 in flight. does anyone have any idea what that was? did i just make it up? i could have.
‘The American Way’ (1986), a sci-fi comedy, starring Dennis Hopper.✌️
@@razzle1964 thank you. i just looked it up. gonna have to find a copy now.
One could argue that an Aircraft Carrier could meet the definition of a sea stead. It could operate relatively autonomously and independently.
The anime Japan is Sinking on Netflix gave us an idea of how seasteading can happen in our time however the disaster of that mega islands project in Dubai has given us the irl version of what not to in this regard.
(7:10) what the heck? someone got gas? LOL
It's a great concept, and you would think countries with a small footprint would welcome the idea of suddenly increasing their "landmass". Is a shame it is caught up with certain ideas that prove antithetical to investment.
PHUCK YEAH, SEASTEADING!!!! WATERWORLD PARTY TIME!
You should do a feature on the Maunsell Sea Forts in the Thames estuary! (Unless you already have) There was some pirate radio activity there back in the '60s, I think.
I quite like the idea of seasteading. If it wasnt for my fear of drowning. Im an accomplished swimmer but there is just something about vast bodies of water that unnerves me at times.
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At 7:14........ The fart noise got me lol
Please do a video on the Las Vegas sphere
gotta love the fart noise
Mate, it made me jump 😂
This was the featured comment so I waited and laughed pretty hard when it came.
7:10 Factboy ate too many beans!
A little light Whistler! What about the future of seasteading? That would be interesting!
I'd say why not build modular boats. As long as you can make a boat that can technically connect up with two other boats simultaneously and maintain that connection indefinitely practically becoming a single vessel then you can do seasteading, with enough boats you will have the space to do whatever you want to do on the water. I'm not sure why these people want to live on the water because it sounds horrific, I prefer forests and mountains under my feet.
I'd love to see it tho, making boats bigger then aircraft carriers sounds amazing, all that surface area can be used for power and food production, storage, housing. And then what you can eat and live free from any laws, better protect yourself with some guns maybe some missiles or anti missile missiles and drones. It seems like a very stressful life where you can be sunk and drown with no one that will look for you.
They want to live on the water because if you have dreams of making a perfect new society, the first thing you have to do is get away from the old ones.
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The video games Bioshock and Brink. The Great Pacific, an image comic. Very interesting.
Longwave Radio Atlantic 252 was the last pirate radio station the UK had. It shut down just several years ago.
No, there are still pirate FM stations around London. But they are local affairs: The glory days are long past.
So proud Kevin was able to have that epic run
I can see how and why seasteading would be a cheaper option to space colonization.
Oceanix is building a floating city in Busan, South Korea.
There was a homesteader who improvised his own little seastead in a lake using industrial foam floats to support his buildings.
Thw story of sealand is the most hilarious thing to happen in the 20th century.
On living at sea, I say this - I shall not ever claim as refuge, a place that does not have the decency to remain in the last place I left it.
Sealand sounds hella cool
Did anyone notice the "gwibble" sound around 7:10 when he's talking about someone called Bates
Yes he either does not like that guy much or missed it in the edit. 😂
I don't think I'll ever not giggle at "Lake Titicaca" but I think I'm okay with that
Had to rewind on the tower part to be sure. Little fart noise made my dog and I look at each other With a "why you do that?" moment.
I heard that too and had to back up to make sure. It happens at about 7:11.
Given the modular nature of modern container shipping am surprised nobody has already tried this.
Yeah, in my opinion, the first real seasteading colony should start with decommissioned oil rigs converted into apartments with the help of refurbished shipping containers.
What about security? If you are in international waters, who is responsible for stopping pirates attacking?
Same person responsible for stopping people from attacking and stealing your belongings now; you.
@@Ursus5848 The Wild Wild West Pacific hehe! :P
@@Ursus5848 I think what he is refering to is the fact that many of these ideas always leave out the fact that you a descent military to make this happen otherwise you become easy picking which why it makes no sense why the British even allowed pirate radio ships to exist a couple well placed mines while the ship is in port would have scuttled that idea.
@@southcoastinventors6583 He specifically asked about pirates
@@Ursus5848 I answered it you need a military or hire a PMC
Three problems with Seasteading. [For me, at least, anyone els?]
Pirates.
Hurricanes/Cyclones/Typhoons.
Waterspouts.
And having no country or government to reach out to for aid or protection.
[extra, unnecessary info about me and my personal reason to stay ashore]
Also, I can't swim, and have the lovely rare condition of extremely heavy bones. I literally cannot float. My doctor did a test on my bone density and was pleased to add me to his "Rare Wirdness" file. The trade off is that breaking a bone is near impossible, and Bone Loss with age will merely bring me to a normal bone density, if it occurs.
such beard, much impressive
The weather on the ocean can get quite rough.
I look at that and wonder what they will do if a storm with 40 foot (12 m) waves comes along…?
I would imagine they would need a very long stabilizer under the floating home to prevent it from being overturned.
The sea steading is a great idea to escape taxes; however, wouldn't the residents have to pay a tax to maintain the structure, get rid of waste, bring or produce drinking water, etc. Other than fishing, what industry is there to support the community?
Love your channel(s)! It's a very interesting idea - floating cities. Have you heard of Jacque Fresco and "The Venus Project"? Fresco was a very interesting character and one of his may design ideas was for cities and habitats, both on and below the surface of oceans. Check it out (y). And thanks again for your work.
I just started thinking about Big Boss and the MSF.
The idea of being out of the jurisdiction of any government reminds me of the last movie Laurel and Hardy made in 1950 called Utopia. Laurel inherits an island that is out of government reach and they decide to create a society without any laws which as we know comically back fires.
If you combine Cyberpunk story with Sea Organization you end up with the book Snow Crash. Neat
There's a bunch of channels by the crews of shipping vessels, they show how the ocean behaves in "calm" and rough weather. A floating settlement on the ocean would need to sustain equivalent of major earthquakes on a daily basis and the ppl too. 🫣🤢 Let alone the phenomenon of "rogue waves"-- massive waves that come out of nowhere. And if far enough out to sea, salt water rain.
The idea of corporate seasteads for avoiding visas [workers/human rights] is bone chilling.
I love building these in civ 6
Up to 9 minutes, none of the examples were actually 'seasteading', not even the Uru on Titicaca, since they all depended on food grown on land. The main problem facing seasteading are obtaining drinkable water, and damage from weather and waves.
The water problem is easily solvable, but turns into another problem: Obtaining sufficient energy. If you had a big enough pile of money to seriously try this, the top of your boat ship would need to be covered in solar panels and sheltered greenhouses. You can use the energy to desalinate water. And reduce the fuel needs for moving the ship.
Recalling an episode of Secret Agent with Patrick McGoohan that takes place on a pirate-radio platform.
Can't forget about the Republic of Rose Island
I'm surprised you didn't mention the private island floating oil rig "KOKOMO AILAND - PRIVATE FLOATING HABITAT" made by the company supposedly making private submarines "migaloo"
Kinda loved the little fart sound at the reveal of “Sealand”
I think someone saw Waterworld and tought "I need to get in on this before it's to late!"
This is all well and good, but any proposed permanent floating structure will have to contend not only with todays major storms, but also increasingly powerful ones in the future
If it was that easy, Louisiana wouldn't be washing into the sea
I’ve had the thought for years of using mineral accretion through electrolysis to create an island. They’re are many areas of the worlds oceans that are only just below the surface. Such a place would be perfect for this sort of thing.
Theres only two major issues: storms and rogue waves. People don't quite grasp just how dangerous the sea is until they are shown 48,000 ton battleships getting tossed around like rag dolls or 100 foot high waves sinking oil rigs.
here in the netherlands we made part of the sea into a lake and then made a whole new province which can probably be done on plenty of other locations and bays and things like that. though it basically was an ecological disaster for all the life that lived there (back then people didnt really know or care about that yet) so in modern time we would have to pay close attention to that if we were to do that again. there have also been concepts to make whole new islands in the north sea that are large enough to be a signifiacant portion of the size of the netherlands, but at the moment those concepts have not been seriously considered yet
Seacrete\biorock, yup.
there is alot of appeal to these but when it actually comes down to living there it would probably be more of a pain than the benefits you get from it for most
Welcome to Waterworld .
How do they cope with adverse weather e.g. typhoons, tidal waves, Hurricanes etc??????
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Why the wet raspberry or wet fart sound at the "Principality of Sealand"? LOL.
So many questions. I wonder how they (whoever's going to own or live there) are going to avoid or mitigate the problems caused by the salty air on their structures. I mean, as far as I know and if I'm not mistaken, just taking care of marine vessels (i.e. sailboats, yachts, etc.) can be costly and/or a pain, what more with something more than twice the size? And that's besides the general upkeep (i.e. sewage, electricity/fuel). And let's say you're rich and lucky enough to actually own and live in one... where are you going to get insurance for your property?
Sewage is the one thing that isn't a problem: The whole idea is to escape that oppressive government red tape, so you can just dump all the sewage overboard.
What about the UAE's (Dubai's) artificial islands?
3 issues, why no such projects can survive: 1) seawater (corrosion, marine life), 2) weather (ever heard of "storms"?) and 3) economics (everything involving ships is EXPENSIVE!). The costs of maintaining a ship/structure in the middle of the ocean are astronomical. Not to mention you need paying residents willing to live there... 👀
Interesting. The first thought that occurred to me was offshore oil rigs.
Next MegaProject or SideProject video?
Absolutely. I am seasteading-pro (not lolbertarian, though) and in my opinion, ocean habitats made from refurbished platforms like oil rigs should be the first real step.
Forget the sea. We should start spacesteading.
Kinda reminds me of how others are opting for much less complicated ideas and simply have an island built in the sea... thought not for the same reasons. Like Denmark is intending on building an island 100km off the coast in the North Sea in order to act as a service hub for the energy industry.
some rich guy tried that by dumping a bunch of sand on a reef and declaring it a sovereign state, the local government wasnt too happy and just took the new island
Happened somewhere in asia i think
are the people building new islands the same people that say the sea levels are rising?
because something happens when you put stuff in water
@@AlphaKnight-hg2jq Well of course it didn't got to well since it was in territorial waters.