Spanish: Mines, Sighting Hole and Smelter (Uinta Mountains, Utah)

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  • @rebeccajohnson2633
    @rebeccajohnson2633 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Thank you for sharing and music goes well.🙂

  • @patrickjones1061
    @patrickjones1061 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Your channel, knowledge and discoverys are incredible. Again thank you for sharing your adventures.

    • @LowBudgetExploration
      @LowBudgetExploration  ปีที่แล้ว

      Your welcome and many thanks for supporting the channel. Some of these sites are to cool to hoard to myself and I enjoy sharing them.

  • @jasonvoorheis1984
    @jasonvoorheis1984 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I like the history and the western music

    • @LowBudgetExploration
      @LowBudgetExploration  ปีที่แล้ว

      I do too, that old spaghetti western music is the best. The composer is Ennio Morricone. He is legend.

  • @myboloneyhasafirstname6764
    @myboloneyhasafirstname6764 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I’m crazy about your “Spaghetti Western” theme music. It is awesome, and worthy of the subject matter.

    • @LowBudgetExploration
      @LowBudgetExploration  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Thank you. I also love it!! Ennio Morricone was a genius.

  • @123456wasp
    @123456wasp ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great music for this type of video! 😎👍

    • @LowBudgetExploration
      @LowBudgetExploration  ปีที่แล้ว

      Thanks bud and I appreciate the comment. Sometimes I make a video and then watch it months later and I'm like, "why the heck did I use this or that song" LOL. My son is usually my best critic and will quickly (in a loving way) point out my stupidity.
      Most of the time I try and use unknown music artist that I find on youtube. This way it promotes their music. The bad part is, I don't make any $$$ from my videos. It's all good tho, I just do it for fun and enjoy sharing these wonderful sites with people.
      Luckily, this one worked out perfect and the music wonderfully matched the video.

  • @k5nutt
    @k5nutt 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    My guess is a vein of something was takin out of that area. I took me many years to buy into the tree markings. I still believe there has to be stone monuments as well since tree's are not permanent and can be blow over, get chopped down, become infected and have a set life span. Secondly i have always wondered how the spanish made it that far north. I have read Juan De Maria's journal (1765) and the Dominguez Escalante journal (1776) and they both relied upon native guides. I can only think that perhaps not all of the codices were burned and the church had possession of a few that lead the way or they were following something much older in stone.

    • @LowBudgetExploration
      @LowBudgetExploration  2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      It is a very intriguing mystery and I fully understand your thought process. The Indian guide new nothing of any Spanish Mission in Rock Creek even though they passed directly south (Duchesne/Fruitland) of the alleged Mission Site. The Lagunas in the Salt Lake Valley had never seen a priest or heard of Christianity. Nothing is mentioned of the Spanish being in the area by the occupants of Ft. Rubidoux on the junction of the Uintah and Whiterocks River, or any mention of old mining/mission activities by the countless fur trappers who roamed the Uintah's throughout the 1800's. Nothing was mentioned of any previous Spanish occupation or mining activities by the Government Agents, when they had the first Indian Agency where Rock Creek flows into the Duchesne, trying to teach the Indians how to grow fruit for the market. I could go on and on with stuff I have pondered over the years regarding inconsistencies with "Spaniards in the Uintah's".
      Yet they were most definitely in the area mining for a very long time. I have seen their work with my own eyes and even held their artifacts in my very own hands. When I was young I held 3 Spanish cannon balls that were found hidden behind a rock ledge. My friends cousin found a sword stuck in a very old pine tree, the tree had literally grown around the sword. I know of an ant pile which contains buttons from an old Spanish Uniform and other small Spanish Artifacts (I imagine the soldier/miner died in the immediate vicinity). The Land owner is very superstitious about that stuff and wont touch it.
      I personally believe they kept a very low profile, unlike the fantastic stories you read about in the treasure books. They did this not for fear of the Indians, but for fear of other Europeans. The French to the North, English and/or Americans coming in from the East, Russians in the North West and especially fear of other Spaniards illegally mining on their respective areas. Humans were the same back then, as they are now and greed ruled the day. They kept a low profile, worked their butts off, concealed their mines and left subtle clues to assist the next legally authorized expedition in finding their mine sites in what was then a vast wilderness. They then returned to Spain wealthy men. Some would return to the new world on future expeditions, but most probably didn't and used their new found wealth to better their lives back in Spain.
      Regarding rock monuments; I know of some very interesting ones I found a few years back in an area known for Spanish Mining activity. They are in very hard to reach area on a river bottom. One has a "Sighting Hole" built into it and points to the other side of the River. I have found a total of 3 in the area, marking an old trail. It's a pain in the a** to get to them, but I need to make an effort to return to the site and document them. The river was to high and it was a cold day, so I couldn't cross the river when I found the one with the "Sighting Hole". To answer your question, they most definitely did use rock monuments.

    • @chriskeller5516
      @chriskeller5516 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      I've heard that later groups of Spanish would remark trees and replace markers that were damaged.

  • @billyedwards6101
    @billyedwards6101 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    That was soooo neat. I enjoyed watching video it was very entertaining. Would you please continue to make more videos. I liked them a lot..😁😊👍

    • @LowBudgetExploration
      @LowBudgetExploration  ปีที่แล้ว

      Absolutely. I greatly enjoy sharing these sites with everyone. They are too special to not be shared.

  • @rwerner1143
    @rwerner1143 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    As a younger man, we used to hunt elk in this area. I have been to many of the spots you have shown. We were hunting and came across a cave (whole) very close to the gorge. Some stones appearing to be geodes were stached close by. I tried to find this a few years later but the area was fenced and the gate had a padlock on it. Now I'm to old to walk around much. As they say, I wish I knew then what I now now.

    • @LowBudgetExploration
      @LowBudgetExploration  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thank you for sharing this. I will keep my eyes out for the pile of stones. If I ever find them, I will keep one and make contact with you and give it to you.

    • @rakkassan2187
      @rakkassan2187 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Well done indeed. Thank you, from Sangre de'Cristo/ San Luis Valley..

  • @henrygallegos3399
    @henrygallegos3399 ปีที่แล้ว

    Good job brother, very interesting

  • @toplistcrew7645
    @toplistcrew7645 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    At 1:20-21 there is a white tipped arrow head shaped rock on the middle bottom right. It’s pointing toward something good. It resembles a giant arrowhead.

  • @montyhunter2260
    @montyhunter2260 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Fantastic video.

  • @chriswertz1438
    @chriswertz1438 ปีที่แล้ว

    Superb

  • @darrelllne2136
    @darrelllne2136 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    EXCELLENT !

    • @LowBudgetExploration
      @LowBudgetExploration  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Thanks. Glad you enjoyed the video.

    • @darrelllne2136
      @darrelllne2136 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@LowBudgetExploration Found similar stuff in the Mohave desert in California. Now I'm living in Arizona and am finding the Spanish here in the Salome area. They were all over the American Southwest.

  • @addisonmorton3250
    @addisonmorton3250 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I’m also a basinite, I would love to swap stories or go on an adventure

  • @molliefenner7076
    @molliefenner7076 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great video beautiful area .potential

    • @LowBudgetExploration
      @LowBudgetExploration  ปีที่แล้ว

      Thank you Mollie. Appreciate your comment and watching the video.

  • @EddieLeal
    @EddieLeal 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    The Good, bad and the Ugly theme?

    • @LowBudgetExploration
      @LowBudgetExploration  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      You bet, if you have an interest in that genre of music check out these guys. They remade a lot of the old 1970's western music. th-cam.com/video/enuOArEfqGo/w-d-xo.html

  • @MT-cy5tm
    @MT-cy5tm ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Nice video. May I suggest using colored letters instead of black or white. They would be easier to read.

    • @LowBudgetExploration
      @LowBudgetExploration  ปีที่แล้ว

      Thanks MT. They are a "work in progress" and I've tried to incorporate more talking in the recent ones. Appreciate the input.

  • @rodwoods2108
    @rodwoods2108 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Basinite, I liked your answer. I read the Book Fort Uncompaghre about Robudoux. You probably know the story about Mel Fisher backtracking gold form the Atoucha Shipwreck to the Uintah. The date on some of that finger gold bars was 1704, I think. I keep wondering when all the Ute enslavement occurred. A few Spanish trying to enslave a large number of Utes does not make sense to me. Sounds hokey. The Utes were never that easy, I don't know why they don't call BS on that. But they stay quiet about all the history which I think they know in much more detail than they would ever tell. The Spanish would have always been outnumbered. There was no mention in Colorado of the Southern Utes ever being so weak and to be made slaves. I think the Spanish stayed out of site, dodged the Utes and did not make trouble to stay alive.

    • @petecapri4054
      @petecapri4054 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      I second this, I think the Spanish presence this far north was limited to exploratory and slaving expeditions, I think there were much more profitable and safe mining ventures closer to Mexico City

    • @LowBudgetExploration
      @LowBudgetExploration  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I've never been a big believer either in the Spanish enslaving large amounts of Indians this far north. I believe they tried to stay quiet, keep a low profile and not enrage the local Indians. They wanted to get as much gold/silver as they could and get back home.

    • @petecapri4054
      @petecapri4054 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@LowBudgetExploration there are accounts of early Spanish expeditions raiding the agricultural societies of your area for slaves, but I haven’t found much on their mining activities. How can you be sure that the stuff you find on your expeditions isn’t American in origin? A group that we know for sure mined the region very intensively.

    • @LowBudgetExploration
      @LowBudgetExploration  ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@petecapri4054 Peter, very good and honest question. Thank you.
      Without being able to go back in time, we will never know the specifics of who dug any particular mine for certain. I can only base my observations on clues I find in the specific area.
      We have lots of artifacts from the Spanish Miners, many I have held in my own hands. These artifacts are numerous and include; canons, canon balls, various armor, swords, mining tools, silver bars, gold bars, old coins.
      We also have found numerous signatures of Spanish Miners, to include; rock monuments, crosses and other emblems carved into rock faces and old pine trees to mark trails, smelters and of course their old mines and workings. Most of the mines collapsed long ago and you can barely see traces of them.
      My belief "theory" is the following;
      1. Spanish Explorers had ventured into Northern Utah prior to Escalante and Dominquez. I can't remember the explorers name, but the two fathers referred to him when they were near the Indian Crossing of the Green River. For example, they didn't name the Green River, it was already named by the Spanish; the "Bueno Ventura's" and they already knew it was the border for the Ute and what they titled, "Comanche" Indians.
      2. After 1776 more Spaniards come to the Uinta's in search of precious minerals. They mined the area until probably around the 1820's, or the time of Mexico Independence.
      I do not believe, as some do, that there were large concentration of Spanish Miners in the Uinta's. I believe they were few in numbers and tried to keep a low profile and not enrage the local tribes, since they were so far removed from civilization in New Mexico. They were basically on their own and Utah was the Frontier of Spanish Territory.
      3. In the 1820's the fur trade begins and trappers/mountain men start pouring into the Uintah Basin (I have a video coming up on this, just waiting for the snow to melt so I can film it). By this time the era of Spanish Mining in the Uinta's has ceased. This is why you never read about Spanish Miners in the Journals of the Mountain Men. You read about slavers, but not miners.
      4. By the 1840's the fur trade has all but evaporated and the Mormons start arriving in the Salt Lake Valley. During the 1840's through 1850's you have small groups of Mexican Miners (who knew of the location of the mines from the Spaniards) enter the Uinta's. This is the time period where you have the stories of the Chicken Creek Massacre and Mormon Pioneer Journal Entries of Mexican Miners with mule trains packed with ore coming from the Uinta Mountains and so forth.
      5. By the 1860's the Uintah and Ouray Reservation is established, the Mormons are rapidly colonizing Utah and Civilization as we know it in Utah is slowly being created.
      6. In 1905 the reservation is opened up and prospectors start searching the Uinta Mountains legally for precious metals. I say legally, because I guarantee they were already searching before the reservation was officially opened.
      7. Present day - people like me and you, try our best to unravel this history.
      Sorry about the lengthy response. I thought you asked a very good question, deserving a detailed response.

    • @petecapri4054
      @petecapri4054 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@LowBudgetExploration thank you for the length of your response. I will have to dive deeper into this after this exchange!

  • @JasonAlexzander1q47
    @JasonAlexzander1q47 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    What about the lost josephine mine?

    • @LowBudgetExploration
      @LowBudgetExploration  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      I believe we may have taken our horses up around there a few times when I was a kid entering the back country lakes, rather than that I've never messed around up on Hoyt's Peak. I try to stick in areas that don't get a lot of traffic and Hoyt's Peak has been explored by so many treasure hunters, prospectors and hunters, that it would be a waste of my time.

    • @JasonAlexzander1q47
      @JasonAlexzander1q47 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@LowBudgetExploration It is my belief that there are no lost mines. They were all worked out. Or the high grade material was worked out anyway. But for some adventurous spirits. They dream of a lottery ticket scenario. And that is fine too I guess. Thanks for your video

    • @LowBudgetExploration
      @LowBudgetExploration  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@JasonAlexzander1q47 I'm glad you enjoyed the video and thanks for watching (I'm working on a new one, so stay tuned). I just love the adventure and history of it all, the chances of finding gold and silver are just icing on an already delicious cake.

  • @nesterse5323
    @nesterse5323 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Dude 😎😎😎😎😎😎

  • @JasonAlexzander1q47
    @JasonAlexzander1q47 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    It has always been said that there isn't enough mineralization in the unitias. Guess not

    • @LowBudgetExploration
      @LowBudgetExploration  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I know exactly where your coming from and I've always pondered this too. I can attest there is precious metals in the Uinta's, I just believe they are located in a very few concentrated areas. Some of these concentrated areas are very rich. This has always been my theory.

  • @michaelfercik3691
    @michaelfercik3691 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Do not trust writings on quaky trees. Pine trees could possibly be old, but a quaky tree does not have the life span of pine trees and if there is a one hundred year old quaky tree still standing, then it would have to have all of the elaborate writing done on saplings with being a couple of inches in diameter, which is impossible to elaborately carve on. Sorry for stepping on toes!

    • @LowBudgetExploration
      @LowBudgetExploration  ปีที่แล้ว

      Michael, I appreciate the way you worded things and no offence taken. I too struggle with markings on quaky tree's, especially since arborist only date them to live around 150 years here in the west. I have friends who stand on both sides of that fence.
      How I approach it; I find them interesting and worthy of documenting. Some of the carvings get quite elaborate. Thanks again for the comment.

    • @jw6921
      @jw6921 ปีที่แล้ว

      Ditto that 60 to 70 years is average life span for a quaky of course they can live longer but its rare. Also consider that its been over 200 years since that area was given up by Spain if they even had claimed it. By that time Mexico claimed it. Either way the mining most likely would have taken place much earlier so tree carvings would possibly be long gone. Spaniard symbols while diverse usually are far more symbolic in nature than actual words or lettering. I'd say the carvings were done recently and maybe to give more credence to a story while Id also say they most likely are old Spaniard mines. While there is definitely some mining done as always during that time they would be after high grade veins and would smelt it right there. Considering there are not many mines in the area and the geology says there just is not a large amount of gold there tells you its just small amounts here and there. Had there been decent gold in those mts. there would have been lots of mining done as you can bet prospectors went thur there on there travels to the next gold rush.

    • @Charlie-do6wv
      @Charlie-do6wv ปีที่แล้ว

      ​@@jw6921 What about the Hoyt peak treasure? I read the Spanish Waybill from the Colonel in charge of the expedition and mine in that area and it clearly stated there were 12 different levels and in each level there were 100's of barrels of product to be smelted and in the back of the main shaft buried behind a heavy wooden door was the kings 5th and the estimated value at that time in the 1500's by the Colonel who wrote the Waybill was 600 million in gold. That's just the Kings 5th! Meaning the value of the rest, 4 parts, would've been 5 times that amount in total. In 1500's value which tells me if it's true and still there you're talking 100's of billions perhaps even a trillion dollars worth waiting to be unearthed....

    • @walkingdad506
      @walkingdad506 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I dont know about that, I know of several quackies in the Uintahs near Flamming Gorge, That were old when I was a kid, I am now 65 years old and those trees are still there. I am also aware of Spanish Armour that was found behind Hogsback Mountain overlooking the town of Manila and sits at the Head of the valley to the west. The Mountain is also the largest flint deposit known. Many Native American artifacts and strewn all over the area.

  • @nesher296
    @nesher296 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    No doubt you found something of valuable history here. I have found similar things in sycamore canyon. where when the anglos came they found crosses erected on hills (which they prompty cut down and claimed as their own.) Also in sycamore canyon a large cache of spanish armor, swords and other artifacts they wont name were found in a cave. These were removed and kept with the ranchers family until lost.

    • @LowBudgetExploration
      @LowBudgetExploration  ปีที่แล้ว

      Too bad those artifacts have been lost. This is how we slowly lose our history.

  • @azcowgal5837
    @azcowgal5837 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The reason so much labor was employed was because the guy running the show didn't have to do any of the labor.

  • @michaelwiberg7419
    @michaelwiberg7419 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    As far as this goes you’re. Looking at the wrong. Site oil. Paintings give a direct. Vision of the Josephine 2 . Inquire personally and its is to be shared.

    • @LowBudgetExploration
      @LowBudgetExploration  ปีที่แล้ว

      Not really sure what you mean. Perhaps you can send me an email and elaborate some more. My email is in the description down below.

  • @josephinadelamartiniquemin5448
    @josephinadelamartiniquemin5448 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    That is not anywhere near resembling a Spanish mine camp hopeful.

  • @rileymanderscheid9805
    @rileymanderscheid9805 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    The black type is too difficult to read. Had to stop watching vid at 1'

  • @donaldbortzfield5331
    @donaldbortzfield5331 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Nice music , nice pictures. But boring