We've laid 1200' of 5" out at 55mph. On a 4 lane highway. We found very positive way to secure the hose end since that day. After having loaded 5" hose for 20 years....there isn't any fire I wanna put out that bad as to lay out 6000' at once. LOL. I'll use tankers and say I did the best I could. Seriously, this is amazing. Good work.
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I'm amazed that you can lay 6000 ft without needing a "booster pump" in between. Also, I wouldn't want to be the one who has to pack it up at the end, put them back down at the station to let them dry, and back up on the rig when dry (assuming you let them dry).
Jcool2018 Jim Briggs This is a drill for ISO to 1. prove that the lay works without using relay pumping, and 2. To lower the rating for the homeowner outside the distance of a certified water source. The department isn’t stating this should be standard, but it’s a new way of operating and it works for this particular district. The thought is with budgets in mind is a used engine that carries 6k ft of hose is far cheaper than buying several tenders, equipment and 24 hour coverage to man them. This operation is only 3 personnel when setting up and 2 once complete leaving more personnel for suppression.
That's pretty neat, never seen a hose truck before. In the rural area around here we're allowed to have very big water trucks that can hold 45,000 liters so usually when there's a fire, farmers will arrive with those trucks and that will supply enough water.
Those breaks are going to give every crew member tinnitus if they have to hear that for the entire time they creep along at 3mph picking up a mile of hose.
Not to play youtube armchair firegod, but at that speed don't you have issues with stress on the couplings? A department I was on had an engine that lost a load of LDH (2400ft) on a highway at 50ish mph and we had to toss or cut down quite a few lengths of hose that were either stretched and compromised or had couplings that were compromised. Also, the thought of repacking 6000 ft of LDH makes me nauseous. I hope you guys have a lot of probies.
I will never complain about hose testing days ever again after seeing what those guys have to load back up now. I do hope they at least tested it then while they had it off the truck
Wow, I thought this video was going to be boring and was wondering why it was "recommended". That was interesting though. Damn that's a lot of hose. Also impressive that they can pump that much water with sufficient pressure all that distance.
Curious question, would the pumper create enough pressure to push the water all the way through 6000 feet of hose and still maintain 100+ psi of pressure at the other end?
In this 2-pumper relay operation, they could theoretically lay 9,200 ft of 5 in between the water source pumper and the fire attack pumper ... and still get 185 psi operating pressure while maintaining 500 gpm (from a hydrant, according to Fire Apparatus Magazine) www.fireapparatusmagazine.com/articles/print/volume-19/issue-7/features/comparing-four-and-five-inch-large-diameter-hose.html
Disconnect each section, wring it out with rollers, then back the truck up and lay it back in the bed a section at a time. You're right, you don't need a gym when you're doing it all the "old school" way. With our Dept. it took removing several of the younger members before they realized that it's an all hands on deck thing. So many times the younger guys wanted to stand around afterwards and brag about being the greatest firefighter ever. Even had a couple get mad and buck back at the officers telling them that it wasn't what they signed on to do and it was the officers' job. That was a fun day to be at the station! The joys of being a volunteer! Lol
Please tell me someone doesnt have to hand pack that hose back in the truck? LOL I would think some fire department would have a machine for that by now? Man that was an awesome video!!!!!! Keep up the good work and BE SAFE!!!!!!!!
What flow (gpm) were you flowing, and how much residual pressure did you have? The friction loss on 6,000 feet of 5" hose, regardless of elevation changes, is quite significant.
Laying 6000' of hose is no problem using it is no big deal the problem comes when it is packed back on the rigs, our department had a 1948 Maxim pumper that carried over 2500' of 2 1/2" with room for more, this truck stayed in service untill the late 70's one hell of a truck
how can you hold the pressure with one engine? here in Germany we got SW2000 its a Engine with 2000 meters Horse lines onbord but we need to put a pump like every 500 meters to get the Pressure steady?!
Excuse me for asking, I don't really know much about fire hoses but I work in job where I have to do with pipes and pressures and stuff like that. So I'm guessing this was like a 5" hose...how on earth can one truck create such an enomous pressure to come up for all these friction losses of a 6000ft hose?!
bkgill88 ever heard of friction loss? Do the math on this and then you'll start to realize why tandem pumping would probably be necessary for this operation.... I haven't done the math yet but with most hoses rated to 300psi, I'm sure the pressure would have to be increased somewhere along the hose lay to prevent blowing lines and to get the proper pressure to the end of the hose
Yes, we know the "friction loss' formulas and calculations do not add up for this operation. tandem pumping was needed for the operation. Read some of the other comments, especially from long4400 and I think some of your questions have already been answered in the comments.
Billy just think of it as an underground water main, We as firefighters are so engrained that their is no new way to do things. The probability of people saying you need a engine in line to boost pressure have probably never practiced or even tried it. This practice does work in the geographical area for this department. Should it be standardized, no but it does work and should be considered for departments as a new and alternative and cheaper way to lower ISO.
5" hose has very little friction loss for fire flow rates. Even compared to 4" hose...the LDH 5" is far, far superior. I've also recently seen 10" LDH at FDIC 2016. Now that's something to see. The truck was specially designed to winch it back on.
NeilLB7 very little friction loss? Wow,I'd have thought it would be a ton,what is this LDH hose? I've been retired from fire fighting for more than 20 years,hell I've been disabled for 25 this year,,,,got I just realized I am old,and 10" ? Jesus....we had just gotten 4" for out telesquirt when I left,and we all thought that was huge lol
Dave Kauffman Jr getting old and off the line sucks, doesn't it! Hope you can still have an active life with your disability Tjanks for your yeats of service .what dept? Been disabled for 10yeats myself..from CFD
Back 0n June 30th 2022 we laid 6000 feet of ldh to the Norwich transfer statiion fire after using a tanker shuttle in the beginning but we had an engine tied into the hydrant so it was being pushed up the hill. No idea who did the pick up because we were released a little earlier. "Water came from 10 different tanker trucks, Eyeburse said. Firefighters had changed their strategy by Thursday evening. Firefighters had established a relay with 6,000 feet of 5-inch hose stretched from a hydrant on Otrobando Avenue to the fire, with several pumper trucks helping to move the water. The move replaced the need for a tanker relay."
our engine carries 1500' and it squats pretty bad as is i can only imagine the suspention is loving that... also ive experienced 3000' lays with a bad hydrant and needless to say 6000' would be really really bad if you dont have enough engines to progressivly boost your pressure... just wow im watching this knowing id hate to be the one to clean it up, good video!
Is the pump powerful enough to push water through over a mile of hose? The firetruck seemed to be going too fast during the lay process, if there had been a snag or other issue with the hose, people could have been injured or equipment damaged.
this might be a dumb question, but what if you don’t need exactly 6000 feet? What if the fire is, say, 4500 feet away from the source? Do you take some of the lengths of hose out of the truck before setting off, or take a longer, wriggly path, or find the closest connection point along the line and disconnect it there?
I think that was a bit too fast to deploy that hose. I think you're putting serious stress on the coupling connections, and there's quite an impact when they hit the pavement. Nice exercise, but I'd slow the hose wagon down.
+ffjsb I believe for the certification, they needed to have a certain flow within a certain time frame. Slowing down over that distance could cause a significant delay in having a supply established
+Chris 131 Yeah, but if you trash all your hose, it kinda defeats the purpose. Adding a couple of tankers would help, as well as establishing certified water sources such as ponds with dry hydrants. Part of the ISO is also testing hose every year, and that's a LOT of hose to test.
Hey dumbass, if my life was in danger, a 6,000" supply line is not going to save it. You clearly don't know shit about firefighting or hose lays. If you don't have anything intelligent to say, run along.
Some say that they are still packing the hose back up to this day.
Gilbert McGillicutty I can fold his with a good puller in under three hours
Gilbert McGillicutty we used a HOSE MULE to load it.
1_foxtrot_01 and shirley replies " yes it will"
the pumps on those trucks will push water alot farther than that..
1_foxtrot_01 you can get about 2 miles on only 300 psi. out of the pump
5 minutes to deploy 12 years to wrap up pretty damn impressive
We've laid 1200' of 5" out at 55mph. On a 4 lane highway. We found very positive way to secure the hose end since that day. After having loaded 5" hose for 20 years....there isn't any fire I wanna put out that bad as to lay out 6000' at once. LOL. I'll use tankers and say I did the best I could. Seriously, this is amazing. Good work.
*never mind guys we dont need it anymore *
bryce hamilton lmao!!
*Throws Radio Out the Window*
Nathan Zittle after taking haligan and sawzall to it. "Chief it just fell..damn cheap radios
MsFiregal8 It's those new damn Motorola's that central gave us
Ouh damn, that’ll be sad
Dammit, 20 feet short.
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drove through the other day, they're still packing it up.....
@@hammerlane3871 lol im dead
that sounds like a problem, may I recommend a doctor lol
Just pull the slack
OH MY GOD IT MUST HAVE TAKEN HOURS TO RE RACK THAT
Rincon Fire purchased a tool called a Hose Mule that mounts to the truck and picks the hose up for you. Check it out on youtube
Any link for the video u mention
Aaron Shoemaker aren't they packing it by hand at the end??
Aaron Shoemaker holy s can u imagine
I think the "Hose Mule" is just a big pulley that the hose runs over then the guy in the back has to spead it all out so it doesn't get tangled.
Good day to be on vacation or out of town.....
Whoever had to reroll and test and repack that hose is the true hero of this video.
Holy smokes.... Seeing that much hose deployed almost made me want to cry with the thought of loading it all back up.
Firefighter: I got your supply line.
Firefighter 2: no need we took care of it on tank water. 😬
Feel bad bad for whoever has to pack that back up..
i i feel feel bad bad too too..
"Engine 4 from command..."
"Go ahead..."
"Engine 4 we needed that supply laid northbound and I have you heading southbound..."
"@#$%&"
+chris twohill just grab the end and haul ass the other way
lol
chris twohill I hurt myself laughing at what you said.
chris twohill lol. Awesome.
chris twohill
Still laughing 3 years later 🔥👩
*gets to the end*
Oh wait guys..theres a hydrant right here
6000 feet of hose that is just absolutely brilliant. What an awesome sight and by the looks of things quite a good working pressure to
I'm amazed that you can lay 6000 ft without needing a "booster pump" in between. Also, I wouldn't want to be the one who has to pack it up at the end, put them back down at the station to let them dry, and back up on the rig when dry (assuming you let them dry).
Thankfully we've been able to pack house wet for the last 10 years
@@DominiDiscord still can't pack it frozen though
@@monkeyoperator1360 fair point.
As an explorer myself I can confirm that this would be our job. Welcome to the brotherhood.
Welcome to hell probie
i know right
All I could think about was the poor bastard they were gonna make repack that bed.
Whew! I get pissy when it takes half an hour to load our couple thousand feet of LDH, I don't want to imagine 6.
This was way more entertaining than it should have been.
Fuck that. Just set up a few dump tanks and have everyone and their twin brother dumping water from a few water points.
Jcool2018 Jim Briggs This is a drill for ISO to 1. prove that the lay works without using relay pumping, and 2. To lower the rating for the homeowner outside the distance of a certified water source. The department isn’t stating this should be standard, but it’s a new way of operating and it works for this particular district. The thought is with budgets in mind is a used engine that carries 6k ft of hose is far cheaper than buying several tenders, equipment and 24 hour coverage to man them. This operation is only 3 personnel when setting up and 2 once complete leaving more personnel for suppression.
That's pretty neat, never seen a hose truck before. In the rural area around here we're allowed to have very big water trucks that can hold 45,000 liters so usually when there's a fire, farmers will arrive with those trucks and that will supply enough water.
That was very therapeutic to watch. Thank you!
35mph
Hey Great job and We Thank You for your service and Saving Lives......BE SAFE.....!!!!
By my calculations, that is about right but it sure seems longer.
Jenny Chapman 6k
Those breaks are going to give every crew member tinnitus if they have to hear that for the entire time they creep along at 3mph picking up a mile of hose.
its videos like this that make me so thankful that are departments pump has two large reels on the back
"Alright, hose is stretched, flow water" 5 minutes later.....drip drip drip lol
When you thought a 1000ft on FDNY satellites were long.
Not to play youtube armchair firegod, but at that speed don't you have issues with stress on the couplings? A department I was on had an engine that lost a load of LDH (2400ft) on a highway at 50ish mph and we had to toss or cut down quite a few lengths of hose that were either stretched and compromised or had couplings that were compromised. Also, the thought of repacking 6000 ft of LDH makes me nauseous. I hope you guys have a lot of probies.
i was thinking that myself. seems like they were laying that way too fast. faster than i would have anyway.
No, the department had a letter from American Hose Co. stating that it was safe and approved by the manufacturer to be laid at no faster that 35mph.
Zack Borst
I calculated the speed at about 30mph.
Benjamin Brooks how? by counting hay bales?
its 4 am and i have no clue why i am here
vince creeed this is why I go through the comments so I know I’m not the only one lol
vince creeed
Because you could not look away.
You searched for big hose and ended up here.
Then they realized: “We forgot to connect the line.”
just drag it into place to fill the gap
what was the GPM during the ops? what was the total gallons pumped. Do you have a link for the details?
I will never complain about hose testing days ever again after seeing what those guys have to load back up now. I do hope they at least tested it then while they had it off the truck
Wow, I thought this video was going to be boring and was wondering why it was "recommended". That was interesting though. Damn that's a lot of hose. Also impressive that they can pump that much water with sufficient pressure all that distance.
I'm glade we have tankers
wow never seen that before .... thank's for sharing that cool
Man, that's a lotta hose!
Curious question, would the pumper create enough pressure to push the water all the way through 6000 feet of hose and still maintain 100+ psi of pressure at the other end?
what was ur out put pressure vs in take at the other end
2 stage pump? in volume or pressure?
What was the compound pressure at the receiving apparatus? Thanks
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A mile length of hose with no engine in the middle of it, pretty impressed
what was ur pressure and what was ur intake pressure at the other end
2 stage pump?
in volume or pressure?
In this 2-pumper relay operation, they could theoretically lay 9,200 ft of 5 in between the water source pumper and the fire attack pumper ... and still get 185 psi operating pressure while maintaining 500 gpm (from a hydrant, according to Fire Apparatus Magazine) www.fireapparatusmagazine.com/articles/print/volume-19/issue-7/features/comparing-four-and-five-inch-large-diameter-hose.html
That was awesome!
We never had no "mule hose"... What we had were some sore ass arms the next day. Do this once a week and you'll be in shape in no time... FAAAk!
Disconnect each section, wring it out with rollers, then back the truck up and lay it back in the bed a section at a time. You're right, you don't need a gym when you're doing it all the "old school" way. With our Dept. it took removing several of the younger members before they realized that it's an all hands on deck thing. So many times the younger guys wanted to stand around afterwards and brag about being the greatest firefighter ever. Even had a couple get mad and buck back at the officers telling them that it wasn't what they signed on to do and it was the officers' job. That was a fun day to be at the station! The joys of being a volunteer! Lol
Wow! Imagine having to re-lay all that hose, lol!
This video made me want to cry
I can’t imagine the friction loss in a 6000 ft lay!
Assuming a flow of 500 GPM the friction loss would be 120 psi.
120 psi a 500gpm en 6000ft??
Please tell me someone doesnt have to hand pack that hose back in the truck? LOL I would think some fire department would have a machine for that by now? Man that was an awesome video!!!!!! Keep up the good work and BE SAFE!!!!!!!!
If you watch until the end of the video it shows how the department picks the hose up. They use a tool called the Hose Mule
is the hose mule 7 guys and a truck?
Hats off to whoever repacked that hose. I’d say screw it and call for tankers before I lay all that hose
Holy crap! You'd actually have to factor in some friction loss in that amount of LDH!
What flow (gpm) were you flowing, and how much residual pressure did you have? The friction loss on 6,000 feet of 5" hose, regardless of elevation changes, is quite significant.
The maximum they could flow would be roughly 550 GPM. 550 GPM would create a friction loss of 150 psi over the 6000 ft lay!
Chief: “Time to repack the hose bed rookie!"
Rookie: "Get fucked chief"
Commander : Dang boys,the mule hose break down. Time to pack and roll the hose manually.
Boys : .....
Biggie the hose mule was purchased after the first two test runs. It did suck loading 6k manually
Laying 6000' of hose is no problem using it is no big deal the problem comes when it is packed back on the rigs, our department had a 1948 Maxim pumper that carried over 2500' of 2 1/2" with room for more, this truck stayed in service untill the late 70's one hell of a truck
What was the flow on this?
That was cool...
How are they going to put it back?
how can you hold the pressure with one engine? here in Germany we got SW2000 its a Engine with 2000 meters Horse lines onbord but we need to put a pump like every 500 meters to get the Pressure steady?!
A pimp would say "thas a lot of hose"
How did you Dry it all ??
Or just put it up wet ?
(that what she said)
Why was this so satisfying?
What are the yellow/white barrel type objects at the side of the road? That's some hose laying
so how do they roll it up after usage?
What kind of situation would demand such a long hose outside of training?
How long does it take to pick 6000 ft of hose back up?
Excuse me for asking, I don't really know much about fire hoses but I work in job where I have to do with pipes and pressures and stuff like that. So I'm guessing this was like a 5" hose...how on earth can one truck create such an enomous pressure to come up for all these friction losses of a 6000ft hose?!
Driving that fast doesn't damage the hose when it drops, especially the metal connection points that hit the asphalt hard?
No, the department had a letter from American Hose Co. stating that it was safe and approved by the manufacturer to be laid at no faster that 35mph.
bkgill88 ever heard of friction loss? Do the math on this and then you'll start to realize why tandem pumping would probably be necessary for this operation.... I haven't done the math yet but with most hoses rated to 300psi, I'm sure the pressure would have to be increased somewhere along the hose lay to prevent blowing lines and to get the proper pressure to the end of the hose
I assure you it's only 6,000ft. I was driving the firetruck.
Yes, we know the "friction loss' formulas and calculations do not add up for this operation. tandem pumping was needed for the operation. Read some of the other comments, especially from long4400 and I think some of your questions have already been answered in the comments.
I was thinking that that has to be one hellva a pumper back there at the start. No place along the lay was another booster.
How long does it take to pack that thing?
Did they source water directly from that lake?
HOLY COW! WHY? How many years does it take somebody to put all that hose back in the truck?
So please tell me how long it took to re rack that!!!
My question is unless you have tandem engines picking up, how in the hell can you flow water that far with one truck?
Billy just think of it as an underground water main, We as firefighters are so engrained that their is no new way to do things. The probability of people saying you need a engine in line to boost pressure have probably never practiced or even tried it. This practice does work in the geographical area for this department. Should it be standardized, no but it does work and should be considered for departments as a new and alternative and cheaper way to lower ISO.
5" hose has very little friction loss for fire flow rates. Even compared to 4" hose...the LDH 5" is far, far superior. I've also recently seen 10" LDH at FDIC 2016. Now that's something to see. The truck was specially designed to winch it back on.
NeilLB7 very little friction loss? Wow,I'd have thought it would be a ton,what is this LDH hose? I've been retired from fire fighting for more than 20 years,hell I've been disabled for 25 this year,,,,got I just realized I am old,and 10" ? Jesus....we had just gotten 4" for out telesquirt when I left,and we all thought that was huge lol
Dave Kauffman Jr getting old and off the line sucks, doesn't it! Hope you can still have an active life with your disability
Tjanks for your yeats of service
.what dept? Been disabled for 10yeats myself..from CFD
Billy Wood pumps
whats the frictions loss rate for 6000ft?
Geesh.. i remember the pain in the butt picking up 250 ft of 5 in hose.. but 6000ft.. Whoa..
Back 0n June 30th 2022 we laid 6000 feet of ldh to the Norwich transfer statiion fire after using a tanker shuttle in the beginning but we had an engine tied into the hydrant so it was being pushed up the hill. No idea who did the pick up because we were released a little earlier.
"Water came from 10 different tanker trucks, Eyeburse said.
Firefighters had changed their strategy by Thursday evening. Firefighters had established a relay with 6,000 feet of 5-inch hose stretched from a hydrant on Otrobando Avenue to the fire, with several pumper trucks helping to move the water. The move replaced the need for a tanker relay."
our engine carries 1500' and it squats pretty bad as is i can only imagine the suspention is loving that... also ive experienced 3000' lays with a bad hydrant and needless to say 6000' would be really really bad if you dont have enough engines to progressivly boost your pressure... just wow im watching this knowing id hate to be the one to clean it up, good video!
8 years later and I heard the crew is still out there packing it up
The kit to the left of the picture needs a stronger support to prevent movement and metal fatigue.
can the on board pump push that much hose?
Haven't seen anyone mention it but it's funny to see how little a large portions of the LDH is not used noting the dust because there so much hose.
Is the pump powerful enough to push water through over a mile of hose? The firetruck seemed to be going too fast during the lay process, if there had been a snag or other issue with the hose, people could have been injured or equipment damaged.
gosh damn, how fast was he going when he was ripping hose off that truck?
The department had a letter from American Hose Co. stating that it was safe and approved by the manufacturer to be laid at no faster that 35mph.
How long to dry all that hose
Do the recruits get to flake the hose again?
Dadgum that's gotta be close to 500 gallons hose fill!
is that much hose really needed?
How long did it take to wrap up
How long does it take to put it back on engine
Did this include the ponylengths of ldh?
this might be a dumb question, but what if you don’t need exactly 6000 feet? What if the fire is, say, 4500 feet away from the source? Do you take some of the lengths of hose out of the truck before setting off, or take a longer, wriggly path, or find the closest connection point along the line and disconnect it there?
You drive to the scene laying out hose, and then disconnect where needed, leaving the other 1500' on the truck.
would there even be enough water in that lake to fill that hose?
Красиво разложил, я хочу ещё посмотреть как он это все будет собирать
I think that was a bit too fast to deploy that hose. I think you're putting serious stress on the coupling connections, and there's quite an impact when they hit the pavement. Nice exercise, but I'd slow the hose wagon down.
+ffjsb I believe for the certification, they needed to have a certain flow within a certain time frame. Slowing down over that distance could cause a significant delay in having a supply established
+Chris 131 Yeah, but if you trash all your hose, it kinda defeats the purpose. Adding a couple of tankers would help, as well as establishing certified water sources such as ponds with dry hydrants. Part of the ISO is also testing hose every year, and that's a LOT of hose to test.
ffjsb I bet if your life was in danger you'd want them to not give a damn about a hose!
Hey dumbass, if my life was in danger, a 6,000" supply line is not going to save it. You clearly don't know shit about firefighting or hose lays. If you don't have anything intelligent to say, run along.
Hey Bitch Ass, I have plenty of fire fighting experience and I hope u burn in hell
so only one pump on that line? and not a care for the well being of the couplings!
That's pretty cool.
Mesmerising after a while... Now put it all back XD
Rumors say, they are still picking up the hose.
Is there a forest fire somewhere that's why they're pulling out all the hose it is so big and so thick
How long to put it back in?
I wonder how much water it takes to fill the hose, its gotta be alot!