At the MMA Lab we worked something kind of like what you do but slightly different. It’s called “the sag” and is a movement the team stole from watching Kamaru Usman. Rather than doing a sort of Uchi Mata like move to a knee tap, we step a little further back and hook the leg from behind, then kick our leg back and drop our weight, “sagging” our weight down and back which drags the person down. This also sets up a Khabib style Dagestani Handcuff position nicely when you then triangle around the leg you “sagged.”
There's a counter to every move. The armbar has so many possible ways to escape it, counter it and pass guard, not let it happen in the first place. Especially with throws--every throw in judo has 10 possible counters. Yet people who specialize in it still find a way to make the technique happen.
Just an idea, don't put your hand on their back. Treat the underhook more as an omoplata with the arm and keep it closer to his elbow. Then drive with your elbow in his ribs or armpit. It is a bit like ippon seonagi on the arm. It's not bullet proof, but it will keep them from slipping out so easily. Don't abandon techniques, refine them.
Funnily, every Judo player can immediately see that Icy Mike's suggested throw won't work. What would work very we'll in this situation though would be a Judo throw you hate: a hip throw.
Either ankle pick or push towards the swept leg. Sweeping someone and pushing the other way is not very useful. Taking out the whizzer is a free back take.
And all this proves is that no matter how well intended your martial arts instructor maybe, theres always going be some techniques that maybe heavily flawed
Not really- every conceivable move has a counter, this guy is just pointing out the one that works for this scenario. That doesn't make the initial move bad. For example, if somebody had me in a full guard on the ground, there are ways to pass that guard- does that mean the guy in guard shouldn't try to maintain his guard? Obviously not. Grappling is a game of rock paper scissors, and there's never going to be any one move without a counter
Yes! This will work on your little brother, anyone asleep at the wheel and people who have no clue what they're doing 😂. This is the equivalent of those "No Touch" artists conning everyone to play along with their nonsense. But to be fair, Icy Mike's takedown from that position is relatively low percentage, and easy to defend. This blind leading the blind stuff is a real train wreck. At least it's good for a quick laugh. Keep these comedy bits going! 😂
@@MP-dq6ko This is a video aimed at sport MMA. Wrestling against the cage has become a huge part of the metagame at the highest levels. And obviously eye pokes are illegal in MMA. But this channel does have a video on dirty fighting and some other self-defense content if that's more your speed.
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It's good! You should do more technique videos.
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If you take your whizzer out I would just do a flip.
and karate chop his carotid artery to end the fight immediately
At the MMA Lab we worked something kind of like what you do but slightly different. It’s called “the sag” and is a movement the team stole from watching Kamaru Usman. Rather than doing a sort of Uchi Mata like move to a knee tap, we step a little further back and hook the leg from behind, then kick our leg back and drop our weight, “sagging” our weight down and back which drags the person down.
This also sets up a Khabib style Dagestani Handcuff position nicely when you then triangle around the leg you “sagged.”
Side kicks work Mike. Mike, they work.
Freezing Michael from difficult to damage really got you there
As one does
I like the combination of short-form and long-form content. The full video has a lot more detail, but the shorts are interesting little snippets.
Yo shots fired!!! Haha I love the collaborations in working the same problems we face on the mats.
no shots, he is developing the art. This vs this. its good to challenge, so u can progress
We would call this peer review
There's a counter to every move. The armbar has so many possible ways to escape it, counter it and pass guard, not let it happen in the first place. Especially with throws--every throw in judo has 10 possible counters. Yet people who specialize in it still find a way to make the technique happen.
Nothing gets me going like a simple detail that flips the script. I love your content!
hell fighting is not about knowing moves it's abouthaveing skills and fighting for control
Oooohhh, throwing some shade Icey Mike's way. Lol...
Please don't whiz on me
😨 called out
R.I.P. Mike. Surely he's used to it by now.
Pretty cool stuff.
Just an idea, don't put your hand on their back. Treat the underhook more as an omoplata with the arm and keep it closer to his elbow. Then drive with your elbow in his ribs or armpit. It is a bit like ippon seonagi on the arm. It's not bullet proof, but it will keep them from slipping out so easily. Don't abandon techniques, refine them.
Guess he didn't notice icy mike kept his head connection through the move...🥴
Lol was gonna mention this. The head blocks the whizzer from coming around
Wow. I didn't know there was a counter in any grappling technique!
Need more of these full speed videos, everyone post videos where the opponent is just laying there doing nothing
I thought he was khabib for a sec
Try having your training partner apply downward pressure next time
Good one
Cliff is on the entire pharmacy, have you seen the size of him it's insane that even in amateur MMA you can be juiced to the gills like that.
Nice 👍 I just discovered this move on my own not too long ago, while doing Jitsu too..
Funnily, every Judo player can immediately see that Icy Mike's suggested throw won't work. What would work very we'll in this situation though would be a Judo throw you hate: a hip throw.
Recently started bjj and my stand up is terrible. I think I can find a context for both moves. Thanks Icey and Armchair.
Either ankle pick or push towards the swept leg. Sweeping someone and pushing the other way is not very useful.
Taking out the whizzer is a free back take.
He needs to keep driving his head and pick the ankle. It shouldn't be that easy to pull your arm out.
nice move
each attack has its counter, each counter can be countered, it's combat sports, like chess...
Tbf you could still make this work with the right head positioning, gonna try this out, seems cool!
We call that uchi mata
And all this proves is that no matter how well intended your martial arts instructor maybe, theres always going be some techniques that maybe heavily flawed
Not really- every conceivable move has a counter, this guy is just pointing out the one that works for this scenario. That doesn't make the initial move bad.
For example, if somebody had me in a full guard on the ground, there are ways to pass that guard- does that mean the guy in guard shouldn't try to maintain his guard? Obviously not.
Grappling is a game of rock paper scissors, and there's never going to be any one move without a counter
Yes! This will work on your little brother, anyone asleep at the wheel and people who have no clue what they're doing 😂.
This is the equivalent of those "No Touch" artists conning everyone to play along with their nonsense.
But to be fair, Icy Mike's takedown from that position is relatively low percentage, and easy to defend.
This blind leading the blind stuff is a real train wreck. At least it's good for a quick laugh. Keep these comedy bits going! 😂
The guy needs to grab the elbow instead of the wrist with his left hand.
This is just Judi
Do you even need to be against the wall to take the whizzer out. If they're hooking your leg like that they can't go behind you straight away...
Until he seatbelt-lace and rolls you…..not likely to be in their repertoire
It's almost as if there's no 100% successful move or technique.
do you have not heard of the counter to the counter? or nooo.. you are a newbie
yrah none of that really works in a street fight
This is aimed at sport MMA, where wrestling against the wall has become a huge part of the metagame. Though AV does have some self-defense content.
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Street fighting doesnt even work in street fights
No, but it works excellently in wall fights, duh
@@jc-kj8yc lol
Id just thumb your eye. No rules in a street fight
Lol, you're kidding, right?
@@institches2750 nope
@@institches2750 I'm Gen X. We don't give af
@@MP-dq6ko This is a video aimed at sport MMA. Wrestling against the cage has become a huge part of the metagame at the highest levels. And obviously eye pokes are illegal in MMA. But this channel does have a video on dirty fighting and some other self-defense content if that's more your speed.
There are rules in a street fight, they're called law