I don’t have a problem with EVs as an alternative for people who want one. My problem is when government tries to dictate what I will buy and will not buy.
Great to see a sensible comment for a change. EV works for me, but not everyone. I don’t understand why ICE drivers hate EV and vice versa. Surely we should all be able to choose what suits us best
@@hardsjeremy3973The issues never mentioned on channels like this is that exhaust fumes are actually toxic to people and wildlife and the people most affected tend to be poorer people. The other issue is climate change. Many ev drivers are delighted that science and engineering has provided the technolgy for people to continue with the lifestyle that they are used to . However channels like this are pretty well science free and conspiracy rich so if there is no such thing as climate change or toxic fumes then it must be because "they" are trying to stop me from whatever. As evs develop extraordinarily fast and become cheaper and will one day soon be cheaper than an ice car, many people are excited. On the other hand the dare we say luddittes are becoming increasingly uncomfortable as the inevitable transition approaches, they can feel the rumbling getting closer and closer everyday. Fortunately most people just want to drive a car and don't really care what fuel goes into it but are delighted with the ev experience. A few years ago we were shocked by the Australian fires, seemed never ending. 2 weeks ago we had the dubai floods, one week ago we had the Brazilian floods, what will happen next week? Its hard to ignore it.
I think EV's are the way of the future, just because of the efficiency compared to ICE vehicles. There's a lot of infrastructure that needs to change and we're not there yet. I think it's coming soon though. I'm looking for that ideal moment to switch from ICE to EV.
@@protorhinocerator142 Absolutely. The worlds railway systems have been quietly converted to electric drive without the fuss that cars seem to generate. And the reason is efficiency. Efficient technology will always succeed and where the difference is so large, it is absolutely certain. And then there are the other benefits, smooth driving, possibilty of fueling at home and fueling for free at home from solar. In the UK I think that we are just at that point. I have have a Nissan leaf 5 years old and its 150 mile range is more than adequate for my needs. However when I go on a long trip the range anxiety creeps in and I have to plan for charging and also a backup plan but it is all fine in the end. That's me with my 5 year old ev. However I recently did a very long 4 day trip with a friend who has a new polestar. His experience after 6 months contrasted noticeably to me. He likes to drive to the maximum, no creeping around like me. His car charges at 3 times the rate of the leaf and he had no fear of range. He was confident of charging when he needed to just as anybody is confident of getting petrol when then need it. The services we visited all either had a dozen or more high-speed chargers or they were being constructed, not just planned!. Charging took place during coffee/bladder breaks plus he has the option of charging at home. This was of course mainly on the motorway so some areas will be difficult (Cormwall in summer for example) needs special help. over 80% of charging is done at home and I can imagine that most existing ev owners have the abilty of charging off road, not available to many. However 100% of ICE fueling has to be done at service stations . We dont need the charging infrastructure to charge 100% of all vehicls, we just need enough
I was thinking they could use the old fashioned A/C and roll down the window, but if the windows are electric that would use up the battery and the open windows would make the car less aerodynamic and scrub-off range.
@@Bobo-ox7fjeven if that were true, it would be expected of an EV owner too since shockingly EVs also have undercarriage, tires and lights. What ICE doesn't have is charging anxiety and range issues.
I used to check oil and water levels before driving my cars, but once I grew up, and could afford decent cars, I know those levels dont vary between oil changes, and I know my idiot lights work, and dont ignore them. I see a use for having an ebike for local runs, but electrification will not replace a car....
@@mikedee8876 same here. My car tells me when a bulb is out or a tyre pressure is low plus the car has to pass its MOT every year so I’ll do some checks before an abnormally long run but for day to day it’s just drive and be sensible. 👍
@@nickgood8166 This winter it happened several times that people got snowed in their cars for up to twelve hours and those who had electric cars had to seek help in the real cars.
Imagine a world where a vehicle exists that gets you 600kms out of a single tank and only after a 2 min wait to refill, you can repeat the same mileage. Winter doesn't really affect it, you can use your heater if you're cold and AC if you're hot. It's quiet, accelerates nicely and if you look after it, it'll last you well over 15 years. Oh if only 😢
Winter does effect ICE. Especially after a cold start. Trust me, as a Canadian, I know winter. Gets cold enough, and they barely turn over trying to start.
The EV should have been nuclear powered. There is only so much you can do with chemical reactions. As for research EV and ICE have been along side each other. They are not new or recent. Improvements to motor and motor drive electronics made the setup more practical and efficient. But far as battery technology and recharging time that sucks. And to say it it 10 to 15 minutes means you are trying to bend the laws of electrical physics.
my 6 litre LS2 v8 HSV Grange gets around 1000ks on a full 70 litre tank at highway speeds. Its 17 years old this year and only had the usual maintenance. Its comfortable, spacious and very quick. Never have range anxiety. Not so good fuel wise in city traffic but I don't care because environmentally its well and truly on the positive side now given its age with now negligible fuel costs on an overall value for money proposition. And, its going up in value ha ha..
You forgot to mention number six in the list. 6/Find the nearest scrap yard and leave your heap of sh*t there,then wake up and realise you've been had.
Not Golf Courses , a quite well known Golf Club near me were charging their electric death traps in a store room one caught fire and burnt the whole place to the ground I believe it caused about 75 Million Dollars worth of damage they lost everything all the the history of the club was lost.In an interview with the local Fire Brigade Captain at the scene he said they get called out to about 4 fires of EV batteries per month and I live in a Rural area.
Who on this planet thinks that telling people living in a hot country that they should turn off the air con - and they still think this is the future of motoring? It’s the 21st century and we are told to turn off the air conditioner to ‘eco out range’. Seriously?
Its also because the EV fanatics don’t really know what driving pleasure is all about …. They are a ‘different breed ‘ and we can expect to dispose of them once the reality kicks in ..!
There was 2 ev cars that was burning at the freeway roadside here, they melted the asphalt around them. Guessing my tax money will pay for their privilege to smell their own farts.
@steveinoz8188 No sorry, its what ive seen when driving there from the time of the burning car several months ago until recently, one patch is fixed the other one isnt.
I've lived in Phoenix, Arizona where the summer temps are over 38 C for 6 months, and I've lived in Maine where the winter temps are below 0 C for 6 months. As an RV'er, we learned a long time ago that A/C and heat are two things that you don't run on battery power. They just consume too many electrons.
@@gerbre1if an ev got to 1 million km’s, how many battery packs have been replaced? I can show you a diesel with over 1 million k’s that is the original engine, 😂
5: Select tyres wisely - choose tyres with a low rolling resistance. Uhm.......aren't those the tyres with poorer road handling characteristics, i.e. that need more distance to stop the car and have less grip?
@@paulsimpson8990 , PS4 are for people that believe they are pilots. There are far better street tyres, such as Bridgestone Potenza Race (even BP Sport or Michelin PS5 are better). But they are more expensive because the BEVs are far heavier and with a bigger torque than ICEs or hybrids, needing higher load indicators.
It is easy to justify them, have a commute of 100 miles to and from work. I save £200 compared to a diesel which got 56mpg. I very seldom do long journeys..
It's the MISINFORMATION, 90% of what you hear is misinformation played to a misinformed community. If you believe any of MGUY, the you are misinformed.
The last thing on my mind when I get in my vehicle to travel to my set destination is to have a checklist to have to abide to or I might not get to my set destination. When I get in my vehicle and am in driving mode, my attention is on the road first and foremost, then I will turn on my favorite music and roll along, occasionally checking on my fuel gage if traveling long distance. In regards to EV's you also need to keep in mind to have a checklist of stations that have EV charging stations. This "saving the planet, while they are destroying it" EV scam will soon run it's course. This scam has nothing to do with saving the planet, it has to do with bankrupting everyone so they can more easily control everything.
A few years ago I owned a Jeep Grand Cherokee with the V8 Hemi. I live in NYC and needed to drive down to Virginia which is about 380 miles away. Honestly thought about renting a vehicle because I thought the Jeep would drink gas like a drunk drinks cheap wine. I filled my tank, drove further EAST on Long Island to pick up my parents and THEN drove to Virginia. Much to my surprise, the Jeep shut cylinders on the highway when they weren't in use. I only stopped once for the bathroom but not gas!!! Mad it to my destination with a quarter tank, which I used all weekend driving around. Filled up when I was leaving and made all my drop offs and back home with ease! I'll never be buying an EV! I have since traded the Jeep and now have a V8 Durango! 😁👍🏼
The simple answer to getting good range in an EV is to buy an extension lead that’s as long as the journey you’re taking so you can have it plugged in at home and unwind the cable via a passenger. 😊
My 14 year old a3 2litre diesel can fillup and drive from Herefordshire to Heathrow with a passenger and luggage. But wait theres more. I can return to Herefordshire and pick up another passenger and do it again and return to Herefordshire All on one tank of 55 litres. Put that in your elon musk pipe and smoke it
@@diecastb it's not just 10 hours journey that are a problem, even a 3 hours journey (390km/242m) at european freeway speed is going to be an issue with an EV. I take my automatic diesel, I do that straight no break, no one is excessively tired and we are done with a tank still half full. With the average EV (60 kWh, 220m claimed) on motorway, I have to drive slower to avoid draining the battery too quickly and recharge at 80% 2/3rd of the way to reach my destination with a battery at 40% (which means the battery needs to be recharged soon). EVs are a solution for people who don't need to drive more than 1 hour journeys at a time ever. The only people who fit this bill are urban folks and those would rather use public transport than driving.
@@diecastb For the foreseeable future (25 years horizon) the only way for EVs to achieve 8 hours of highway driving is by adding more battery as, outside of some minor incremental improvements, there is no way to increase the energy density 3 or 4 times. As for daily commute, for now it is a somewhat viable replacement, once there are too many EVs on the road and the grid is unable to charge all these vehicles, all the countries that banned ICE will be like in california in hot summers or NZ: don't charge your car. With the advent of smart meters and smart charging stations: you won't even get the power delivered to your car. It's inevitable because the maths don't add up and we have no magic solution.
I’ve been on remote stretches of highway where there’s not an EV in sight. On one such road I passed a Tesla going really slow probably praying to make it to the next town. It was in a hot area so he was also probably suffering without air conditioning.
I won't be surprised one day of passing an EV with a naked driver frantically throwing every item in the EV even the passenger seats and side mirrors just to lighten his ride so he can reach the next charging station.
EV makers try and sell them on their performance. Amazing speed and acceleration. However, if you actually want to go any distance in comfort with the AC on, you can't use any of those. So the only time you can use the amazing performance is whilst driving in the city where you are limited to 20 or 30 mph. !
@@mguytv My engineering degree qualified me for the UK institutes of electrical, mechanical and civil engineering. I specialised in electrical engineering in my final year. I'm sure that you can understand that the last 20 years have been difficult. The level of understanding of basic science in the general population is abysmal. I have been screamed at for explaining that some things are impossible. People seem to love perpetual motion machines. Heat flows from cold bodies to hot bodies, etc. Aaaagh. I don't try to explain any more, I just mock and laugh and, if I want to be really annoying, point and laugh hysterically. Then have a drink.
Its bad, but I was expecting the "regen braking" nonsense to get a call out. It does nothing to increase range, but only limits the loss of energy from converting kinetic energy in to heat when stopping. It is neither a perfect capture nor an energy generator. The determinate factors are going to be reducing drag by driving slowly and the inherent energy inefficiency of electric motors at higher rpm. Basically, the entire article is a demonstration that the author does not understand basic thermodynamics.
@classicalextremism I'm glad somebody here pointed this out. There is zero to be gained from regenerative braking. If energy is generated by braking or decelerating then the same energy is immediately lost, along with additional heat energy, by accelerating back to the original speed. Hence "bypassing" freeways to take a city route not only adds much extra time to a journey, it also creates a net loss of stored energy greater than travelling the same distance at a constant speed. Obviously this happens with ICE motors too, but with ICEs nobody is trying to pretend it's a selling point.
Small EVs are OK, just, for young girls popping around the inner suburbs and whose boomer parents supply off street charging. For everyone else they are useless
So what about all the "freeing the city" measures they're implementing more bike lanes, turning roads into city parks, more pedestrian precincts, soon there will be no roads to regen those precious "green machines". And the roads that are left will be clogged by dead EVs
Do not forget the tyre changing machine, you will also have to take 4 spares with you on every trip and change them when you are on a different surface
In 2001, I put VW's claim on ym 2000 Passat having 1 200 km range when I noticed that I had driven practically highways and country roads only. Managed to get 1 235 km from a full tank with a bit more than fumes to spare.
Thank you Simon. It is indeed not as much about the EV technology (welcome if competing fairly and subject to safety regs) - it's the lies, theft and embezzlement of public funds that is concerning.
The reason EVs suck on highways is that aerodynamic drag is proportional to v^2. At highway speeds (100km/h) you get 4x the energy consumption than what you have in the city (50km/h) (roughly), exposing the low-energy density of the batteries in comparison to fuel.
No it’s because ice is so inefficient in the first place that you don’t notice the difference as much but it is there. EVs are 90% efficient so you notice the changes a lot. Stop trying to impress everyone with your knowledge of high school physics 😂😂
@@paulsimpson8990...and you factored in the coal fired powerstation that made the electricity and the losses in the cables and the battery self discharge at 2% daily right? Oh.
@@davelowe1977Coal? Don't worry. Your victoria era power supply will be upgraded in due course. 50% of UK power supply is renewable and growing. Same thing will happen everywhere else.
Regen braking doesn't make city driving more efficient than highway. It is simply the lower speed leads to less air resistance. And typically, the city routes are can be longer, so there is yet another inefficiency.
Look at the marketing they always tell you how quick they are you know 0-60 3 seconds the battery is really low helping centre of gravity and handling. Then you are told do don’t use any of it
If the Tesla has a 75kwh battery - 100% charged you have 100 bhp for 1 hour, or 200hp for 30 minutes, get the picture - flooring the Tesla to get 3 seconds 0-60 sucks power, but you get a bit back when you see the speed camera and take you foot off...
I travel a lot of highway kilometres and one thing that stands out is EVs travel well below the posted speed limit. EV drivers run very little risk of speeding fines and in turn the governments lose revenue. I wonder what the EV evangelical MPs will come up with to overcome that financial loss.
@@XenonJohnD If you followed the context of the actually video and the suggestions on HOW TO INCREASE/CONSERVE range you would get where the OP here is coming from....
@@hudsonbear5038 "same with loss in fuel duty/tax no gov can take the loss for ever" >> this problem can be easily solved. Make the price of kw to charge an EV minimum $2. At home replace meters with smart ones which will detect when an EV is charged and make the charging price same as for public stations
Assuming thermodynamics works the same in Australia as it does in the US, I don't know about "preconditioning" the cabin with AC. My experience is that on a hot, sunny day, the car will be very unpleasant within a couple of minutes after turning off the AC, regardless of any "conditioning".
yes, make sure you carry them with you at all times, so you can change them for different road surfaces, you will need to tow a trailer for this, also making sure you can change those tyres as well, have fun driving your EV, just do not expect to get anywhere fast.
I find this terribly alarming! If the climatards can not terrify me from the moment I wake up, to the moment I go to sleep, I must be missing something. Why can't I live in fear like normal people? 😂
They brag constantly about how fast these things accelerate, but tell you not to do that because it shortens your driving range. This is like saying buy an EV, but don't charge it when the load is high on the grid. Cooling the inside of your car on a hot day before going works for about 5 minutes, then the sweating starts, what a dumb suggestion.
I have a 3rd gen suzuki swift, that in worst case has 570km of full 40L tank range and in best case with cruise control and a constant 80-90kmph on express way has nearly 700kms on range. and that too with ac running all the time. I dont see a point in babying an EV with low abrasion tyres, dont leave city limits. and lets be honest city life sucks because people cause traffics, they cant go and cant let any other go. that is city life.
They are talking nonsense, regen braking will never 'increase range' you can never get back more than was put in. It will always take more energy to get back the kinetic energy that braking stored in the batteries than the energy that was stored. The only 'advantage' of city driving is that it is slow so the air resistance is much lower, if you drove at the same average speed as going through the city on the highway you will always go further than going through the city.
Both ICE and EV have comparative advantages, Highway your vehicle is using 6.7l/100 @ $2.25 / l = $15.75. My luxury EV uses 20kwh per 100k highway @ 65c/kWh ( assuming I use a DC fast charger ) = $13.00, never had to go without climate control, massage seats or heated seats. I get 500klm range, 20-30 min recharge which isn’t a great inconvenience to pull over for a coffee after 4-5 hours driving, 0-100 in 3.4 seconds. For local use I charge for free from excess solar. I also own 3 V8’s and a diesel - each has its use and advantages.
The answer is to tow a trailer behind BEV with solar panels, the towing will mean that more power is needed, so the answer is to add a bigger trailer with more solar panels, the bigger trailer will use even more power, the answer is to....... Forget it mate.
The Pacific is currently in an El Niño phase. Westerly winds push warm surface water away from Australia, towards Sth America. This “pile up” of warm water hitting the west coast of South America evaporates and dumps rain across the continent. This year the effect has been so severe that countries like Bolivia and Brazil are reporting unprecedented flooding. During El Niño Australia’s East coast normally experiences drought conditions. That’s because the cooler sub-surface seawater is less evaporative. But this year (2024) is different. There has been widespread flooding and as you point out Cateract dam is full. As is Warragamba. This should be of major concern! It suggests that the sub-surface water is warmer than it should be, meaning the ocean is reaching a point where it can no longer sequester the increasing atmospheric heat. Of even greater concern is this. Water vapour is more potent than CO2 as a greenhouse gas, so increasing the amount in our atmosphere will force temperatures to go higher. With higher temperatures even more sea water will evaporate. This becomes a positives feedback loop 🔁 or what climate scientists call a tipping point. It may already be too late to avoid climate catastrophe. If it is to be avoided then EVs will be part of the solution. ICE vehicles can only ever be part of the problem.
Permit me to analyze their suggestions: (1) What is the point of preconditioning your car while plugged in when it is 86F (30C) outside? Turning off the A/C will result in an immediate rise in cabin temperature. Suggestion number 1 is pointless and I suspect uses more resources overall while falsely claiming to be better. (2) Choose the city route has two obvious problems. The first problem is the time factor. Turning a 1 hour drive into a 2 hour frustration is not better in all cases. This will result in a desire to run the A/C even more (and for longer). At least in my truck on the highway I could turn off the A/C and run with the windows down, which I often do during the Michigan winters. Refreshing. The second problem is that regenerative braking is only part of the factor in efficiency. Above 25 MPH (40 KPH), the drag forces begin to grow rapidly with speed (at least by the square of the speed). You engineer types can elaborate. So, if this city route is a bunch of stop and go traffic lights with long idle periods and speeds approaching 45 MPH (72 KPH), I suspect EVs will still hold an advantage but that advantage would be fading fast. (3) Heavy acceleration is a problem for all engine types. Constant load is the best for all types of combustion engines which is why hybrids and EVs are so much better in stop and go traffic. However, on the highway (unless you drive like a mope ... I believe the Assuies call them bogans (???)) constantly on and off the gas pedal as you just have to push all sense of safety dodging through traffic. (4) Eco-mode in my truck is called "my brain". Don't drive like a fool and I automatically get 10% better fuel mileage on my diesel truck. (5) Tires? Seriously? I quote, "Consider the terrain you'll be driving on and plan ahead so you can optimize your tires for reduced abrasion." Now we are suppose to keep multiple sets of tires in the garage, which some people don't have, just to swap out when we predict ahead of time what the road conditions are going to be like. And just how am I to know in advance the quality of the roads and the rolling resistance presented? How to I balance safety and efficiency hours or even days in advance? How does that work if I'm on a trip that goes from primary to secondary to perhaps 2 track roads all in the same day? Where do I store the mud/snow tires on a trip through the Rocky Mountains only to end up in the communist city of Seattle the next day? See. I punched more holes in their line of reasoning in 10 minutes than the Bismark did to the Hood in 1941. And I wasn't even trying that hard. If you read all of my mussing, give the post a thumbs up.
@@jesusisalive3227 So you mean to not let you get out of the area. Well still better than not to be able to leave your mcmansion without 2 tons of metal and glass but still terrible.
I see this lie be peddled several times and it's complete nonsense. Model S with 300-400 miles of range is a several hour trip. I would be far more concerned with gasoline or diesel being controlled by the government. With EVs, I can power my vehicle by the sun using Solar PV that they government can't control.
I owned a vn and that Buick v6 is one of the best engines around for longevity and they’re really good on fuel. That was in 1993…30 years later I can tell you my Tesla m3 is very fast, very comfortable, very efficient, has a long range and costs $2 to fill the tank. The vn was a great car though 👍
Interesting comment regarding the aircon... explains why you often see EVs driving around with the windows down (and presumably with the ac off) on stiking hot days.
Do you really see lots of EV drivers with the windows open because they daren't turn on the air-con? No. The aircon on modern EV's runs uses a heat pump, very efficient. You can leave it on all night if you want to and sleep in the car no problem. Do some homework before posting.
@@XenonJohnD hmmmmmm and yet even the manufactures, Motoring websites and even orgs like the AA and RAC tell you too reduce aircon use to extend the range..... Are they all lying ??? NOPE
@@XenonJohnD hmmmmmm and yet even the manufactures, Motoring websites and even orgs like the AA and RAC tell you too reduce aircon use to extend the range..... Are you say don't know what they are talking about but you do ???
regen driving does NOT improve battery life .. if you compare it do a motorway drive AT THE SAME AVERAGE SPEED as you took on city roads. That's bc wind-resistance is the dominating term, typically rising in proportion to the square of the speed. It starts to become a non-trivial arresting force at speeds above 30-40kph
@@imzjustplayin an induction motor seamlessly switches between motor and generator. Fact is that if you’re coasting you’re either accelerating or decelerating. If you’re accelerating then you’re wasting energy on increasing the cars speed above what you want it to be. This happens when you go down a hill but when you regen you capture that extra energy and put it back into the battery. If you coast and slow down then your wanting to slow down in which you don’t coast you use the motor to decelerate the car. These are the facts. Coasting works in ICE but not in EVs.
@@paulsimpson8990 I don't know what you're point is. You can coast in an EV without touching the brakes or doing any sort of regenerative braking just like in a gasoline vehicle. The most efficient driving involves very little usage of the brakes or doing regenerative braking something all hypermilers know. Hybrids and EVs are superior to non hybrid cars because unless you're doing engine braking which isn't common below a certain rpm (it varies) the engine is burning fuel while idling. If you disable regenerative braking entirely on an EV or hybrid, they're still going to be more efficient than a non hybrid. Regenerative braking is just a side benefit of having those electric motors. Once energy is put into the wheels, best usage of it is for going forward rather than trying to recapture it in a battery. Regenerative braking is a compromise as it would be wasted in the brake pads otherwise.
My Lyft from the airport yesterday was a Tesla. He told me how great it was and then proceeded to tell me the 10 minute details on how he manages his pickups to make sure he could get the most fares in without running out of power or not having enough range to get back to his house for his 6 hour charge time on his home charger. No thanks.
When I was driving my BMW i3 from BMW's headquarters in Munich back up North in winter, I had to drive through the whole of Germany and Denmark stopping every 20 minutes to charge. The range of the 'car' was under 100km to begin with with a full battery (on a highway...slightly over 100km with only city driving), but remember that they're only charged quickly to ~80% and it's not recommended to quick charge to 100%. So when you leave the charger for your next stint, you have only 80% of the already less than 100km of range. Then at about 130km/h that empties quickly. And no-one can drive consistently to exactly 0%, you need to leave at least 15-20% with that small battery as charging stations aren't exactly at optimal locations and you need to leave reserve to get to the next one if they're broken. So you're pretty much driving with 80%->20% of the battery which means you're have 60% of its capacity to use (probably 70-75% for a car with a larger battery). Then add winter, with necessary cabin heating and something they don't tell you about: the EV battery still going out of optimal temperatures and thus dropping massively in efficiency, increasing consumption a lot! From BMW Headquarters to Nyborg Denmark where I got on a ferry is 1,125km. Divide that by even 100km and that's 11 charging stops. In reality with only using about 60-65% of the battery every time I probably got about 60km per charge. I'm sure I did at least 16 charging stops plus overnight charging as I had to stop for the night with such slow progress. Charging stops would've been about 20 minutes normally at optimum charging speeds as the i3 charges its small battery at 50kW which is ok, and unlike Teslas the i3 has very constant charging at near maximum the whole time up to about 80-85%. But that's not the reality of EV charging as anyone with experience knows. In the winter, at those horrible chargers I didn't usually get the full 50kW. It was winter so the battery was out of optimum temps so it refused to accept full charging speeds. So I often had to charge the ~15% -> ~85% charge for 30-35 minutes, sometimes even 40 minutes! Then it was 20-25 minutes of driving again! Repeat that for about 16 times over the course of two days...just sitting at one truck stop/gas station after another...
Actually, we already had an super cheap fuel to produce and 60% less emissions than regular fuel. You can also get this in most fuelstations here in Sweden. The ethanol powered cars (E85).
Indeed, about 10 years ago I bought a 1997 B4 VW Passat TDI Wagon with the 5-spd manual that was a gray market import from Germany-via Canada, so it didn't have the U.S. emissions package and was a bit more efficient than the U.S. spec model. I could force feed almost 23gal (90L) of 70% BIodiesel and 30% condemned Jet-A into the tank, and at over 50miles per US gallon, on business freeway trips I typically got about over 1000miles per fill-up. Running some 'maths', I come up with at least 300Kwh to drive a model 3 Tesla 1,000 miles. Considering that in the U.S. West coast about 70% of electric power coming from non-renewable sources (mostly natural gas and coal) driving the Model 3 would likely produce several times more carbon emissions than my old VW TDI.
"take the city option for regen breaking" nope, it will not help you. what help is the slow speed and lower air resistance loss. you could use that in a non city route too (not on highway, but other back roads.) yes, most driver will consider your a prick for going 30-50 in a roads that allows 90, but that is not different than considering you a prick for having the electric car alone. regen breaking reduce the loss from stopping, but you still lose energy by stopping.
The problem is physics. There is only so much energy stored in a battery. An hour drive in city is maybe 25 miles long. An hour drive in our freeways is 80 miles. Since energy density of gasoline is much higher, you carry more "miles" in the same volume.
Air conditioning in a car requires more power than household AC. I found that for an older vehicle that has those once popular quarter windows to deflect outside wind into the compartment that there ain't any problem keeping cool . Tests were done though that at speeds above 60kph that it was more efficient to use AC and to keep the quarter windows closed .
Na you can do long trips in EVs because theres diesel powered generators out there to charge them 😂 but diesel is expensive then paying extra for the electricity dosent make sence tho , best to buy an efficient diesel car or a hybrid
Wind resistance is a major negative for all EVs. A fellow took his Ionic 6 onto the German Autobahn and attempted to see if he could sustain 140 mph and for how long. First he could not sustain 140 due to throttling by the cars computer to avoid overheating. He did average about 120mph. At this speed air resistence cut his range to 1 hour or 120 miles - then he had to charge for nearly an hour; average speed 65 mph. ICE engines have a powercurve; as your engine approaches red line the efficiency of the engine is higher. Hence a small ICE engire generally gets better mpg than a large engine because it gets to high RPMs more of the time.
More Tips to Extend Battery: •Plan shorter trips. •Dont drive up hills. •Always follow car ahead of you bumper-to-bumper to stay in it's slip-stream. •Drive only in tail-wind conditions. •Always drive West to East to take advantage with Earth's rotation. Big Tip: Always ask neighbor or friend if they're driving somewhere near to where you want to go.
If the Tesla has a 75kwh battery - 100% charged you have 100 bhp for 1 hour, or 200hp for 30 minutes, get the picture - flooring the Tesla to get 3 seconds 0-60 sucks power, but you get a bit back when you see the speed camera and take you foot off...
Funny you mentioned this. I filled up my C8, a mid engine super car. The estimate of range was 325 miles. I drove 25 miles on the free way and when I got hone, the range was 320 miles. Amazing how that worked. My average and best ever indicators were almost on top of each other. Last time I drove a really long way to get gas, no stops basically at all, got my best ever fuel consumption at 24.8 mpg, in the C8. The range after filling up was 350, higher than our sensible RAV4
Years ago I was with a friend driving home after a camping trip. His alternator went out, but we had another 300 miles to go. We stopped at multiple gas stations to recharge his battery. It was a nerve-wracking trip, not knowing if we'd make it to the next gas station and fearing we'd be stuck on the side of the road. Thank God we finally made it home just after sundown. Not until now did I realize I'd had the "EV driving experience" of extreme anxiety back in the '70s!
@@deniswauchope3788 Happened to me as well, well before all this EV BS, alternator packed in very early on a 40 mile journey, I needed some lights and some heating, but I knew my battery was a bit knackered anyway. My god, even having a voltmeter to show how it was coping didn't help much to stop the anxiety of staring at that warning light, and 'Wondering when the ECU would just suddenly die or go bonkers??' Yeah, a very early prelude to the current range anxiety that's much in vogue.
Regen breaking is indeed a fudge and misunderstood by the general public. While driving, "extra" energy isn't put back into the battery by braking, merely energy that has already been expended is partly recovered. Maybe think of the cycle like a traditional wooden rollercoaster. Charging it is dragging the cars to the highest point of the ride. When launched, the ride can gain and lose speed, gain and lose height, but can never go beyond a speed directed by rolling resistance and can never go higher than the launch height. At the end of the ride, the cars will be traveling slowly at a much reduced height. Ev batteries energy outputs are much the same
How is it a fudge? You are not coasting like a roller coaster….you are recovering kinetic energy which is put back into the battery…..where does that energy go in your ice car? Friction and heat….you need to take a trip in a model 3 and watch the energy indicator. You can depart the top of a mountain and arrive at the bottom with 5% more battery charge 👍 try making gasoline when you drive down a hill
@@paulsimpson8990 you are misunderstanding my analogue. Yes indeed it is highly likely for a ev to get to the bottom of a mountain with 5% more charge compared to what it had at the top of the mountain. However, drive that same ev back up that same mountain immediately afterwards and I guarantee it will have much less charge in that battery than if it travelled the same distance on a perfectly flat road
Are you telling me I cannot drive my Hertz Tesla at 220 km/h across Germany on one charge? A C-Class Mercedes which I rented a few years ago from the airport did that with ease, by the way.
My dad was actually surprised by the range of his new petrol car. Well "new" is 10 years old used/refurbished here. Anyway he managed to do ~800km on a single tank. His speed was 100-130km/h which is the legal speed limit for highways in my country.
I live in NE NSW, not to far from the Pacific Motorway. It has become a challenge not to overtake them on the Motorway. Most are travelling between 80 and 90 kph for their own Conservation, that is power conservation. At 30kph below the max speed limit of 110kph they may draw the ire of the NSWHP, they are very black and white when it comes to slow speeds for no reason. My wife in the morning travelling north for work says they are usually the slowest vehicles on the Motorway.
Apart from town routes, why would you in a proper vehicle given an alternative, all those range increasing suggestions work in an ICE vehicle with the added bonus of better range on motorway/freeway driving.
Taking the city route to benefit from regenerative brakeing reminds me of the Sinfeld episode where Kramer had the idea of buying and consuming tons of soda so he could make money on can recycling.
Driving short distances in the city can also be a catastrophe for EVs! Driving in the city in the winter with an EV means consumption can approach nearly infinite!! This is something I experienced and noticed to be a catastrophe with EVs when I drove mine in my everyday work life in the cold winter of Northern Europe: -The car got cold over the night. You have your car precondition itself and heat up the cabin as it's about -5C outside, using up lots of electricity which already makes the reported figures for EVs totally false. Then you get in, and drive 2 km to pick up a parcel. Your car sits there outside for 20 minutes while you get to the pickup, wait in line, then get back to your car... -Which means the car had enough time to get cold again You turn on the pre-heating of the cabin (and the car pre-heats the battery automatically) when you headed back towards your car. Then you drive 2km to the office, and spend about 1 hour there. -Car gets cold again So you preheat it again, then head to a meeting 3km away. -Car gets cold again It takes about an hour, and after pre-heating it again you head to another meeting 1km away, and park for the hour it takes for that meeting. -Car gets cold again Then you head out for lunch, pre-heating the car so you are not freezing while driving the 1km to the lunch place where you meet your colleague. -Car gets cold again Then you preheat and head back the 2km to the office -Car gets cold again You prepare by preheating to go pick up some stuff, driving 1km to pick them up -Car gets cold again After only 15 minutes inside picking up the parts the car is completely cold again, but thanks to preheating you're comfy on your way to a work site 3km away. -Car gets cold again You preheat, leave the work site, then go back 3km to the office -Car gets cold again You preheat and head towards home, but you have to go pick up some groceries. -Car gets cold again You finally drive the rest of the 2km home. -Car gets cold again so the car's systems automatically heat up the battery for charging...and the charging losses are still higher than normal. So that's about 19km, and 12 times you had to heat up the car's cabin with electricity, plus however much the car needs to keep heating up the battery. Tesla uses 7kW to precondition the battery in preparation for fast charging (proven to use that heater for over 30 minutes for preparation and during one single charge even after having driven on a motorway for a long time before that!) but I don't know how much mine used for heating the battery...EV companies hide that info from you. I'm sure they hide that info for a reason. I could tell there was massive amounts of energy wasted as my battery would empty very fast on such days, with hardly any km driven! This is how many of my days went when I still lived up in Northern Europe. Many short drives in a cold climate. With an ICE car I would've barely used any fuel...even when using a gasoline-powered Webasto heater to pre-heat the car! As any mathematician can tell you, in the winter with EVs your energy consumption can approach infinite. I mean consider someone who only drives like three incredibly short errands per week...but the EV has to keep its battery warm and always pre-heat itself for charging and driving. I'm sure it uses up a lot of electricity just sitting there during the week only to then drive (inefficiently as the battery is still cold and the cabin heater is blasting) a stone's throw away for the retiree to get his weekly groceries. Many people really use their cars like that. Multiply that by millions. For no reason. And they have to pay many times more for their infrequent, limited motoring compared to their old cheap ICE car.
When EVs are working hard, the batteries get hot and require cooling, with pumps etc that use battery power. When batteries get hot their internal resistance goes up and now they are a resistor is the circuit, the last thing you want. This thermodynamics has been know for over 100 years of electrochemistry. Reference Nernst.
As an engineer you should understand these concepts. The faster you go the higher the fuel consumption in any car. It's just that ice cars are lamentably inefficient at town driving and are at their best at about 50mph constant driving speeds. But I agree if I lived in the Australian outback I wouldn't drive an EV. But for town driving and if you have a house supply you can't beat an EV. It's really horses for courses isn't it. I must replace the engine in my MG TD for a motor and battery.. . I do agree with most of what you say but you do seem obsessed with ridiculing people who have bought an ev. Its not nice and these people were given incentives to buy them remember. And by the way i have never seen an ev on fire. Just a few on you tube
Tip 1 concerning 'preconditioning your car' doesn't make sense, you can precondition the car as much as you want, but how are you going to get into the vehicle without opening the door and letting all that preconditioned cold/warm air escape. As for tip no.5, that's just ridiculous. "Consider the terrain you'll be driving on and plan ahead so you can optimise your tyres for reduced abrasion." So, do they expect people to stock a range of different tyre compounds in their garage so they can switch them out dependant on where they may be going on a day to day basis?
Regenerative breaks helps get some energy back but you are still using energy. It is the slower speeds not the regenerative breaking. There is an optimum speed for the motor and if you can keep it at its optimum speed will get the most from your battery.
I don’t have a problem with EVs as an alternative for people who want one. My problem is when government tries to dictate what I will buy and will not buy.
Great to see a sensible comment for a change. EV works for me, but not everyone. I don’t understand why ICE drivers hate EV and vice versa. Surely we should all be able to choose what suits us best
@@hardsjeremy3973The issues never mentioned on channels like this is that exhaust fumes are actually toxic to people and wildlife and the people most affected tend to be poorer people. The other issue is climate change. Many ev drivers are delighted that science and engineering has provided the technolgy for people to continue with the lifestyle that they are used to . However channels like this are pretty well science free and conspiracy rich so if there is no such thing as climate change or toxic fumes then it must be because "they" are trying to stop me from whatever.
As evs develop extraordinarily fast and become cheaper and will one day soon be cheaper than an ice car, many people are excited. On the other hand the dare we say luddittes are becoming increasingly uncomfortable as the inevitable transition approaches, they can feel the rumbling getting closer and closer everyday. Fortunately most people just want to drive a car and don't really care what fuel goes into it but are delighted with the ev experience. A few years ago we were shocked by the Australian fires, seemed never ending. 2 weeks ago we had the dubai floods, one week ago we had the Brazilian floods, what will happen next week? Its hard to ignore it.
I think EV's are the way of the future, just because of the efficiency compared to ICE vehicles.
There's a lot of infrastructure that needs to change and we're not there yet. I think it's coming soon though.
I'm looking for that ideal moment to switch from ICE to EV.
@@protorhinocerator142 Absolutely. The worlds railway systems have been quietly converted to electric drive without the fuss that cars seem to generate. And the reason is efficiency. Efficient technology will always succeed and where the difference is so large, it is absolutely certain. And then there are the other benefits, smooth driving, possibilty of fueling at home and fueling for free at home from solar.
In the UK I think that we are just at that point. I have have a Nissan leaf 5 years old and its 150 mile range is more than adequate for my needs. However when I go on a long trip the range anxiety creeps in and I have to plan for charging and also a backup plan but it is all fine in the end. That's me with my 5 year old ev. However I recently did a very long 4 day trip with a friend who has a new polestar. His experience after 6 months contrasted noticeably to me. He likes to drive to the maximum, no creeping around like me. His car charges at 3 times the rate of the leaf and he had no fear of range. He was confident of charging when he needed to just as anybody is confident of getting petrol when then need it. The services we visited all either had a dozen or more high-speed chargers or they were being constructed, not just planned!. Charging took place during coffee/bladder breaks plus he has the option of charging at home. This was of course mainly on the motorway so some areas will be difficult (Cormwall in summer for example) needs special help.
over 80% of charging is done at home and I can imagine that most existing ev owners have the abilty of charging off road, not available to many. However 100% of ICE fueling has to be done at service stations . We dont need the charging infrastructure to charge 100% of all vehicls, we just need enough
I own both so I must be biflexfuel
Choose a route that’s downhill all the way to your destination and the same going back.
Or better put the EV on a trailer
Yep 😅😊😂😂
Haha!
Or…just not buy an EV to begin with. 🤨
Just the reverse of your dad's route to school when he was young which was uphill both ways.
Yes Sir, I paid $80,000 for that EV. No I can’t turn the air con on in 35 degree heat. You’ll just have to pass out.
I was thinking they could use the old fashioned A/C and roll down the window, but if the windows are electric that would use up the battery and the open windows would make the car less aerodynamic and scrub-off range.
fun fact as someone driving rally inspired cars i drive hard with heating maxed to exhaudt heat out of the engine if wrc can survive 60°c i can too 😂
57k but ok sure.
❤Bring alone plastic bags of ice.
Yes, very useful in big hot countries like Australia and USA 😂
Considerations before driving an ICE:
1. Get in and drive.
Considerations before driving an EV.Get your sanity checked.
Yeah the planet savers aren't very bright
@@Bobo-ox7fjeven if that were true, it would be expected of an EV owner too since shockingly EVs also have undercarriage, tires and lights.
What ICE doesn't have is charging anxiety and range issues.
I used to check oil and water levels before driving my cars, but once I grew up, and could afford decent cars, I know
those levels dont vary between oil changes, and I know my idiot lights work, and dont ignore them. I see a use for having an ebike for local runs, but electrification will not replace a car....
@@mikedee8876 same here. My car tells me when a bulb is out or a tyre pressure is low plus the car has to pass its MOT every year so I’ll do some checks before an abnormally long run but for day to day it’s just drive and be sensible. 👍
Driving without the heat on here in Sweden when it's twenty-five degrees below zero will not end happily.
Sounds like Pearl Harbor.... definitely a Nip in the air....
At least they have a ready made coffin 😁
@@lesliewelch6551 And then they get a one-room apartment with geothermal heating.😉👍
@@nickgood8166 This winter it happened several times that people got snowed in their cars for up to twelve hours and those who had electric cars had to seek help in the real cars.
@@nickgood8166 More than 1 nip at pearl harbour
Imagine a world where a vehicle exists that gets you 600kms out of a single tank and only after a 2 min wait to refill, you can repeat the same mileage. Winter doesn't really affect it, you can use your heater if you're cold and AC if you're hot. It's quiet, accelerates nicely and if you look after it, it'll last you well over 15 years. Oh if only 😢
And it took decades to perfect these ICE vehicles. What makes them think they can do the same for EVs in such a short amount of time?
Winter does effect ICE. Especially after a cold start. Trust me, as a Canadian, I know winter. Gets cold enough, and they barely turn over trying to start.
The EV should have been nuclear powered. There is only so much you can do with chemical reactions. As for research EV and ICE have been along side each other. They are not new or recent. Improvements to motor and motor drive electronics made the setup more practical and efficient. But far as battery technology and recharging time that sucks. And to say it it 10 to 15 minutes means you are trying to bend the laws of electrical physics.
my 6 litre LS2 v8 HSV Grange gets around 1000ks on a full 70 litre tank at highway speeds. Its 17 years old this year and only had the usual maintenance. Its comfortable, spacious and very quick. Never have range anxiety. Not so good fuel wise in city traffic but I don't care because environmentally its well and truly on the positive side now given its age with now negligible fuel costs on an overall value for money proposition. And, its going up in value ha ha..
A fantasy
6. Keep a good pair of hiking boots for the rest of the journey.
You forgot to mention number six in the list.
6/Find the nearest scrap yard and leave your heap of sh*t there,then wake up and realise you've been had.
You forgot the need for a respirator when it goes up in flames!
That is why EVs should be restricted to Golf Courses and delivering milk bottles.
You stay on the golf course, grandpa.
Then....don't buy them.... badahbum tjisss 😂
I have driven a milk truck for two summer seasons. EVs couldn't handle the load.
No thanks, we 'need' our milk.
😄
Not Golf Courses , a quite well known Golf Club near me were charging their electric death traps in a store room one caught fire and burnt the whole place to the ground I believe it caused about 75 Million Dollars worth of damage they lost everything all the the history of the club was lost.In an interview with the local Fire Brigade Captain at the scene he said they get called out to about 4 fires of EV batteries per month and I live in a Rural area.
Don't let technology dictate your lifestyle.
Choose the technology that best suite your lifestyle.
And the narrative dictate the technology and science
Or politicians.
Don’t let a hype…
Then get a horse
Who on this planet thinks that telling people living in a hot country that they should turn off the air con - and they still think this is the future of motoring? It’s the 21st century and we are told to turn off the air conditioner to ‘eco out range’. Seriously?
They just want to prove that EVs are hot right now.
@@SolAce-nw2hf🤣🤣
I use air conditioning when I drive EVs. And use the heater in the winter.
@@TroySavaryso the article is a lie?
@@TroySavary What is the real world impact on your range?
The fact they feel the need to give EV driver these tips only shows how EV's just aren't ready for all round use.
Its also because the EV fanatics don’t really know what driving pleasure is all about …. They are a ‘different breed ‘ and we can expect to dispose of them once the reality kicks in ..!
and they never will be
There was 2 ev cars that was burning at the freeway roadside here, they melted the asphalt around them. Guessing my tax money will pay for their privilege to smell their own farts.
@steveinoz8188 sweden, north of malmo
@@Acolyte_of_Cthulhu Yes, set on fire by arsonists.... in October 2020.... why not tell the whole story?
@steveinoz8188 No sorry, its what ive seen when driving there from the time of the burning car several months ago until recently, one patch is fixed the other one isnt.
What car brands ?
If there is no facts about this, not even 1 news article, then it can be FUD.
Last week I got 1050kms to a tank from my Toyota hilux 2.4 diesel and that was with the air con on full time as it’s 40c.
My Rodeo dual cab would do 1600km on a single tank...
Upgraded to a long-range fuel tank, only took a few hours to do.
@@petert3355 I get about 290km from a tank on the MV
Wow that’s so amazing
In the states, they’ve gelded the diesels with “anti-carbon” components, to about 20mpg. There are no high mpg diesels anymore.
last week i got 12,000km on a single fuel stop on my A380. just only top up 21000kg of Fuel, carries 400pax and aircond at full blast.
I've lived in Phoenix, Arizona where the summer temps are over 38 C for 6 months, and I've lived in Maine where the winter temps are below 0 C for 6 months. As an RV'er, we learned a long time ago that A/C and heat are two things that you don't run on battery power. They just consume too many electrons.
If an EV is the car for you,then you don't need a car.
I like that, can I pinch it??
Nailed it, Sir! 😎
100%. Nice one
Some EVs reached 1,6 mio kilometers. Your fossil car is a loser.
@@gerbre1if an ev got to 1 million km’s, how many battery packs have been replaced?
I can show you a diesel with over 1 million k’s that is the original engine, 😂
The funniest thing ever happened I clicked on the video and the ad came up was for an EV 😂😂😂😂😂😂
That’s the beauty of woke algorithms. They will try to shove that cr*p down your throat no matter what.
@jimmurray9214, It's on purpose.
5: Select tyres wisely - choose tyres with a low rolling resistance.
Uhm.......aren't those the tyres with poorer road handling characteristics, i.e. that need more distance to stop the car and have less grip?
And they are expensive and worn fast.
Regular tires work fine. The range difference is too small to pay extra for EV tires.
😂😂 my model 3 came with pilot sport 4 tyres….you obviously can not afford tyres as good as these otherwise you would know better
@@paulsimpson8990 , PS4 are for people that believe they are pilots. There are far better street tyres, such as Bridgestone Potenza Race (even BP Sport or Michelin PS5 are better).
But they are more expensive because the BEVs are far heavier and with a bigger torque than ICEs or hybrids, needing higher load indicators.
My EV has standard tyres, no problem.
The more EVangelists try to justify EV ownership the dumber the idea becomes.
It is easy to justify them, have a commute of 100 miles to and from work.
I save £200 compared to a diesel which got 56mpg.
I very seldom do long journeys..
It's the MISINFORMATION, 90% of what you hear is misinformation played to a misinformed community. If you believe any of MGUY, the you are misinformed.
The last thing on my mind when I get in my vehicle to travel to my set destination is to have a checklist to have to abide to or I might not get to my set destination. When I get in my vehicle and am in driving mode, my attention is on the road first and foremost, then I will turn on my favorite music and roll along, occasionally checking on my fuel gage if traveling long distance.
In regards to EV's you also need to keep in mind to have a checklist of stations that have EV charging stations.
This "saving the planet, while they are destroying it" EV scam will soon run it's course. This scam has nothing to do with saving the planet, it has to do with bankrupting everyone so they can more easily control everything.
A few years ago I owned a Jeep Grand Cherokee with the V8 Hemi. I live in NYC and needed to drive down to Virginia which is about 380 miles away. Honestly thought about renting a vehicle because I thought the Jeep would drink gas like a drunk drinks cheap wine. I filled my tank, drove further EAST on Long Island to pick up my parents and THEN drove to Virginia. Much to my surprise, the Jeep shut cylinders on the highway when they weren't in use. I only stopped once for the bathroom but not gas!!! Mad it to my destination with a quarter tank, which I used all weekend driving around. Filled up when I was leaving and made all my drop offs and back home with ease! I'll never be buying an EV! I have since traded the Jeep and now have a V8 Durango! 😁👍🏼
Regenerative breaking is less than 100% efficient, therefore city route can be recommended for EV only because it is slower.
And since they tend to be longer than the arterial road routes, they can more or less guarantee that you're not going to get there anyway.
The simple answer to getting good range in an EV is to buy an extension lead that’s as long as the journey you’re taking so you can have it plugged in at home and unwind the cable via a passenger. 😊
Diesel genset on a trailer.
Better still, tow a diesel generator behind you
Perth to Melbourne is 2722 km 40m extension cords are $143 each Total cost to go to Melbourne would be $9,731,150 -00. 😄😄😄😄😄
@@davewatson2124 😂😂😂😂😂👍👍👍
My 14 year old a3 2litre diesel can fillup and drive from Herefordshire to Heathrow with a passenger and luggage.
But wait theres more.
I can return to Herefordshire and pick up another passenger and do it again and return to Herefordshire
All on one tank of 55 litres.
Put that in your elon musk pipe and smoke it
your comment made greta and elon very sad.
@@diecastb it's not just 10 hours journey that are a problem, even a 3 hours journey (390km/242m) at european freeway speed is going to be an issue with an EV.
I take my automatic diesel, I do that straight no break, no one is excessively tired and we are done with a tank still half full.
With the average EV (60 kWh, 220m claimed) on motorway, I have to drive slower to avoid draining the battery too quickly and recharge at 80% 2/3rd of the way to reach my destination with a battery at 40% (which means the battery needs to be recharged soon).
EVs are a solution for people who don't need to drive more than 1 hour journeys at a time ever. The only people who fit this bill are urban folks and those would rather use public transport than driving.
@@diecastb For the foreseeable future (25 years horizon) the only way for EVs to achieve 8 hours of highway driving is by adding more battery as, outside of some minor incremental improvements, there is no way to increase the energy density 3 or 4 times.
As for daily commute, for now it is a somewhat viable replacement, once there are too many EVs on the road and the grid is unable to charge all these vehicles, all the countries that banned ICE will be like in california in hot summers or NZ: don't charge your car. With the advent of smart meters and smart charging stations: you won't even get the power delivered to your car. It's inevitable because the maths don't add up and we have no magic solution.
cybertruck tow range, 85 miles LOL.
Thats slighty better than I expected lol....
@@hudsonbear5038that was constant speed on a freeway.
@@rjbiker66 with a tail wind???
Just because Cybertruck fails as a truck doesn't mean all EVs fail at their tasks.
@@TroySavary Errm this little chat is about cybertrucks lol so we don't care...
I’ve been on remote stretches of highway where there’s not an EV in sight. On one such road I passed a Tesla going really slow probably praying to make it to the next town. It was in a hot area so he was also probably suffering without air conditioning.
they will go back to an ICE vehicle, like most do
I won't be surprised one day of passing an EV with a naked driver frantically throwing every item in the EV even the passenger seats and side mirrors just to lighten his ride so he can reach the next charging station.
EV makers try and sell them on their performance. Amazing speed and acceleration. However, if you actually want to go any distance in comfort with the AC on, you can't use any of those. So the only time you can use the amazing performance is whilst driving in the city where you are limited to 20 or 30 mph. !
Alternative to what I said before, don't buy a 'disposable' EV not now, never, ever!
All these EV media articles you find and read out make my brain shrivel up, Simon.
It makes YOUR brain shrivel up - can you imagine what to does to mine? 😂
The awful reading makes my brain shrivel up....
@@mguytv My engineering degree qualified me for the UK institutes of electrical, mechanical and civil engineering. I specialised in electrical engineering in my final year. I'm sure that you can understand that the last 20 years have been difficult. The level of understanding of basic science in the general population is abysmal. I have been screamed at for explaining that some things are impossible. People seem to love perpetual motion machines. Heat flows from cold bodies to hot bodies, etc. Aaaagh. I don't try to explain any more, I just mock and laugh and, if I want to be really annoying, point and laugh hysterically. Then have a drink.
Its bad, but I was expecting the "regen braking" nonsense to get a call out. It does nothing to increase range, but only limits the loss of energy from converting kinetic energy in to heat when stopping. It is neither a perfect capture nor an energy generator. The determinate factors are going to be reducing drag by driving slowly and the inherent energy inefficiency of electric motors at higher rpm.
Basically, the entire article is a demonstration that the author does not understand basic thermodynamics.
@classicalextremism I'm glad somebody here pointed this out. There is zero to be gained from regenerative braking. If energy is generated by braking or decelerating then the same energy is immediately lost, along with additional heat energy, by accelerating back to the original speed. Hence "bypassing" freeways to take a city route not only adds much extra time to a journey, it also creates a net loss of stored energy greater than travelling the same distance at a constant speed. Obviously this happens with ICE motors too, but with ICEs nobody is trying to pretend it's a selling point.
EV'S will always be unviable in Australia
And most of the world once you get out of major towns and cities
Doesn't Australia have a highway that continues for 1000s and 1000s of miles? I can't imagine the EV logistics.
Small EVs are OK, just, for young girls popping around the inner suburbs and whose boomer parents supply off street charging. For everyone else they are useless
Ev,s is only suitable for in city driving and will never work in countries with wide open spaces.Think of going on safari in Africa.
@@peetventer9704 don't worry you can just pull up to a diesel generator disguised as a rhinoceros
Yes this is so true. Your a legend, just by articulating the truth. Well done
So what about all the "freeing the city" measures they're implementing more bike lanes, turning roads into city parks, more pedestrian precincts, soon there will be no roads to regen those precious "green machines".
And the roads that are left will be clogged by dead EVs
All agenda 2030 nonsense, there will be no cars in the city eventually just EV autonomous livery vehicles
Basically, EV's are TERRIBLE in every situation.
Congradulations, your mind has been completely sealed shut.
toy car for Barbies LOL
Small EVs for city dwellers in not a terrible idea.... still not as viable as hybrids though.
@@Tom-dt4ic only against evs, so, no harm done to anyone.
Not every situation; good for granny to pop to the shops and back, so long as she has off street parking so she can plug it back in again!
They're saying to keep a garage full of tires at the ready for wherever you're going.
Do not forget the tyre changing machine, you will also have to take 4 spares with you on every trip and change them when you are on a different surface
In 2001, I put VW's claim on ym 2000 Passat having 1 200 km range when I noticed that I had driven practically highways and country roads only. Managed to get 1 235 km from a full tank with a bit more than fumes to spare.
Those diesel Pissants were great road cars ! I wish they still sold them here …
Thank you Simon. It is indeed not as much about the EV technology (welcome if competing fairly and subject to safety regs) - it's the lies, theft and embezzlement of public funds that is concerning.
The reason EVs suck on highways is that aerodynamic drag is proportional to v^2. At highway speeds (100km/h) you get 4x the energy consumption than what you have in the city (50km/h) (roughly), exposing the low-energy density of the batteries in comparison to fuel.
No it’s because ice is so inefficient in the first place that you don’t notice the difference as much but it is there. EVs are 90% efficient so you notice the changes a lot. Stop trying to impress everyone with your knowledge of high school physics 😂😂
v^^2 or v^^3? I'd have to look at the dimensions, but I can't be bothered.
@@paulsimpson8990...and you factored in the coal fired powerstation that made the electricity and the losses in the cables and the battery self discharge at 2% daily right? Oh.
@@roadie3124 it's the square of the speed.
@@davelowe1977Coal? Don't worry. Your victoria era power supply will be upgraded in due course. 50% of UK power supply is renewable and growing. Same thing will happen everywhere else.
I relish my highway trips in my 2001 Commodore .. With air-con , and cruise control the miles fly by while I watch my distance to empty increase !!🙂
Regen braking doesn't make city driving more efficient than highway. It is simply the lower speed leads to less air resistance. And typically, the city routes are can be longer, so there is yet another inefficiency.
You’re wrong
@@paulsimpson8990 He's correct. Regenerative braking is a side benefit of an EV or a hybrid but not the primary reason why they're efficient.
Look at the marketing they always tell you how quick they are you know 0-60 3 seconds the battery is really low helping centre of gravity and handling. Then you are told do don’t use any of it
If the Tesla has a 75kwh battery - 100% charged you have 100 bhp for 1 hour, or 200hp for 30 minutes, get the picture - flooring the Tesla to get 3 seconds 0-60 sucks power, but you get a bit back when you see the speed camera and take you foot off...
I travel a lot of highway kilometres and one thing that stands out is EVs travel well below the posted speed limit.
EV drivers run very little risk of speeding fines and in turn the governments lose revenue.
I wonder what the EV evangelical MPs will come up with to overcome that financial loss.
That's funny because Teslas seem to be going pretty fast on any motorway journey I have been on in the last 5 years.
same with loss in fuel duty/tax no gov can take the loss for ever..
@@XenonJohnD If you followed the context of the actually video and the suggestions on HOW TO INCREASE/CONSERVE range you would get where the OP here is coming from....
Not to mention the loss of revenue from the gouging fuel taxes they're missing out on !!!
@@hudsonbear5038 "same with loss in fuel duty/tax no gov can take the loss for ever" >> this problem can be easily solved. Make the price of kw to charge an EV minimum $2. At home replace meters with smart ones which will detect when an EV is charged and make the charging price same as for public stations
Assuming thermodynamics works the same in Australia as it does in the US, I don't know about "preconditioning" the cabin with AC. My experience is that on a hot, sunny day, the car will be very unpleasant within a couple of minutes after turning off the AC, regardless of any "conditioning".
5. So am I supposed to have different sets of tyres depending on where I am going?
yes, make sure you carry them with you at all times, so you can change them for different road surfaces, you will need to tow a trailer for this, also making sure you can change those tyres as well, have fun driving your EV, just do not expect to get anywhere fast.
Ah, but if you plan well, you can be changing the tyres to match the road conditions while charging the EV.
Another excellent video why bother just buy a petrol or diesel vehicle. What a lot of rubbish about what you should do when owning an ev
I'm surprised they didn't suggest running alongside. Or better yet, walk
Or have a passenger get out and push 😂🚗💨💨💨💩
The Cataract Dam drive from the Gong has always been a favourite of mine.
Diesel ASX 2.2lt'
50 litres gets me over 900kl on the H'way.
Not a single catastrophic climate alarmist prediction has come true.
...and not one of the ridiculous targets, set at the global 'climate love-ins', has ever been met.
I find this terribly alarming! If the climatards can not terrify me from the moment I wake up, to the moment I go to sleep, I must be missing something. Why can't I live in fear like normal people? 😂
Lots of things they are predicting are coming true. You need to get out more.
@@amraceway Nope. Stop watching MSM and you get out more.
@@amraceway Give one example.
Sadly, yes, I experienced the dramatic range loss on the motorway!
Perhaps a dedicated ‘slow’ lane for EVs on highways should be considered.
With signs telling them to, Brake Here, every half a mile to help with the range. Better be careful what we say they might just do this
Best travelling speed on German Autobahn for modern EVs is 150 km/h or 93 mph.
@@gerbre1 why? at least with normal cars I've noticed fuel consumption is best around 80-100kph. going 120-130kph eats a lot more fuel.
@@Born_StellarBest traveling speed (average speed) not economy. He was talking about slow lanes for EVs.
They brag constantly about how fast these things accelerate, but tell you not to do that because it shortens your driving range. This is like saying buy an EV, but don't charge it when the load is high on the grid. Cooling the inside of your car on a hot day before going works for about 5 minutes, then the sweating starts, what a dumb suggestion.
I have a 3rd gen suzuki swift, that in worst case has 570km of full 40L tank range and in best case with cruise control and a constant 80-90kmph on express way has nearly 700kms on range. and that too with ac running all the time. I dont see a point in babying an EV with low abrasion tyres, dont leave city limits. and lets be honest city life sucks because people cause traffics, they cant go and cant let any other go. that is city life.
Love the Suzuki Swift Sport 💪
They are a really nice girls car
“Preconditioning” your vehicle by using the air con before a trip is going to last about five minutes when driving on a hot sunny day.
They are talking nonsense, regen braking will never 'increase range' you can never get back more than was put in. It will always take more energy to get back the kinetic energy that braking stored in the batteries than the energy that was stored. The only 'advantage' of city driving is that it is slow so the air resistance is much lower, if you drove at the same average speed as going through the city on the highway you will always go further than going through the city.
Both ICE and EV have comparative advantages, Highway your vehicle is using 6.7l/100 @ $2.25 / l = $15.75. My luxury EV uses 20kwh per 100k highway @ 65c/kWh ( assuming I use a DC fast charger ) = $13.00, never had to go without climate control, massage seats or heated seats. I get 500klm range, 20-30 min recharge which isn’t a great inconvenience to pull over for a coffee after 4-5 hours driving, 0-100 in 3.4 seconds. For local use I charge for free from excess solar. I also own 3 V8’s and a diesel - each has its use and advantages.
Granny mode …?
Driving the motorways in the UK, it is quite interesting to see the few EVs all driving slowly in lane 1.....
The answer is to tow a trailer behind BEV with solar panels, the towing will mean that more power is needed, so the answer is to add a bigger trailer with more solar panels, the bigger trailer will use even more power, the answer is to....... Forget it mate.
The Pacific is currently in an El Niño phase. Westerly winds push warm surface water away from Australia, towards Sth America. This “pile up” of warm water hitting the west coast of South America evaporates and dumps rain across the continent. This year the effect has been so severe that countries like Bolivia and Brazil are reporting unprecedented flooding. During El Niño Australia’s East coast normally experiences drought conditions. That’s because the cooler sub-surface seawater is less evaporative. But this year (2024) is different. There has been widespread flooding and as you point out Cateract dam is full. As is Warragamba. This should be of major concern! It suggests that the sub-surface water is warmer than it should be, meaning the ocean is reaching a point where it can no longer sequester the increasing atmospheric heat. Of even greater concern is this. Water vapour is more potent than CO2 as a greenhouse gas, so increasing the amount in our atmosphere will force temperatures to go higher. With higher temperatures even more sea water will evaporate. This becomes a positives feedback loop 🔁 or what climate scientists call a tipping point. It may already be too late to avoid climate catastrophe. If it is to be avoided then EVs will be part of the solution. ICE vehicles can only ever be part of the problem.
Permit me to analyze their suggestions:
(1) What is the point of preconditioning your car while plugged in when it is 86F (30C) outside? Turning off the A/C will result in an immediate rise in cabin temperature. Suggestion number 1 is pointless and I suspect uses more resources overall while falsely claiming to be better.
(2) Choose the city route has two obvious problems. The first problem is the time factor. Turning a 1 hour drive into a 2 hour frustration is not better in all cases. This will result in a desire to run the A/C even more (and for longer). At least in my truck on the highway I could turn off the A/C and run with the windows down, which I often do during the Michigan winters. Refreshing. The second problem is that regenerative braking is only part of the factor in efficiency. Above 25 MPH (40 KPH), the drag forces begin to grow rapidly with speed (at least by the square of the speed). You engineer types can elaborate. So, if this city route is a bunch of stop and go traffic lights with long idle periods and speeds approaching 45 MPH (72 KPH), I suspect EVs will still hold an advantage but that advantage would be fading fast.
(3) Heavy acceleration is a problem for all engine types. Constant load is the best for all types of combustion engines which is why hybrids and EVs are so much better in stop and go traffic. However, on the highway (unless you drive like a mope ... I believe the Assuies call them bogans (???)) constantly on and off the gas pedal as you just have to push all sense of safety dodging through traffic.
(4) Eco-mode in my truck is called "my brain". Don't drive like a fool and I automatically get 10% better fuel mileage on my diesel truck.
(5) Tires? Seriously? I quote, "Consider the terrain you'll be driving on and plan ahead so you can optimize your tires for reduced abrasion." Now we are suppose to keep multiple sets of tires in the garage, which some people don't have, just to swap out when we predict ahead of time what the road conditions are going to be like. And just how am I to know in advance the quality of the roads and the rolling resistance presented? How to I balance safety and efficiency hours or even days in advance? How does that work if I'm on a trip that goes from primary to secondary to perhaps 2 track roads all in the same day? Where do I store the mud/snow tires on a trip through the Rocky Mountains only to end up in the communist city of Seattle the next day?
See. I punched more holes in their line of reasoning in 10 minutes than the Bismark did to the Hood in 1941. And I wasn't even trying that hard.
If you read all of my mussing, give the post a thumbs up.
They are trying to confine us to a 15-minute range.
What's wrong with that, as long as you can still use your car, what's wrong with not being forced to have a car.
@TheSuperTiger2011
What is wrong with the govt trying to confine us? Are you serious? 🙆🤷♂️🤦
@@jesusisalive3227 So you mean to not let you get out of the area. Well still better than not to be able to leave your mcmansion without 2 tons of metal and glass but still terrible.
I see this lie be peddled several times and it's complete nonsense. Model S with 300-400 miles of range is a several hour trip. I would be far more concerned with gasoline or diesel being controlled by the government. With EVs, I can power my vehicle by the sun using Solar PV that they government can't control.
It is a fact, if you did any research, you would find out those cars are not getting anywhere near the stated milage.
Yep my 89 vn commodore v6 5spd gets about 750-800 kms out of a tank. My 57 Plymouth gets 23mpg out of a 13 Gallon tank.
I owned a vn and that Buick v6 is one of the best engines around for longevity and they’re really good on fuel. That was in 1993…30 years later I can tell you my Tesla m3 is very fast, very comfortable, very efficient, has a long range and costs $2 to fill the tank. The vn was a great car though 👍
I put $80 of diesel in my old $2k Peugeot every week or two, and I don't have to stop to refuel for another 1,300 km!
Interesting comment regarding the aircon... explains why you often see EVs driving around with the windows down (and presumably with the ac off) on stiking hot days.
Do you really see lots of EV drivers with the windows open because they daren't turn on the air-con? No. The aircon on modern EV's runs uses a heat pump, very efficient. You can leave it on all night if you want to and sleep in the car no problem. Do some homework before posting.
You're upsetting people!
@@XenonJohnD hmmmmmm and yet even the manufactures, Motoring websites and even orgs like the AA and RAC tell you too reduce aircon use to extend the range..... Are they all lying ??? NOPE
@@XenonJohnDyou’ve got to be in dreamland! How many ev,s are on the road and how many have a wizbang air o setup? You goose🤣🤣🤣
@@XenonJohnD hmmmmmm and yet even the manufactures, Motoring websites and even orgs like the AA and RAC tell you too reduce aircon use to extend the range..... Are you say don't know what they are talking about but you do ???
I had a 2L Mazda once, locally it did 350 (563km) miles to the tank. Went abroad and stayed on motorways, I got 650 miles (1046 km) to a tank.
regen driving does NOT improve battery life .. if you compare it do a motorway drive AT THE SAME AVERAGE SPEED as you took on city roads. That's bc wind-resistance is the dominating term, typically rising in proportion to the square of the speed. It starts to become a non-trivial arresting force at speeds above 30-40kph
You are wrong about regen….you do not know what you are talking about
@@paulsimpson8990 You're wrong about regen. The highest efficiency drivers avoid regen at all costs.
@@imzjustplayin crap
@@imzjustplayin an induction motor seamlessly switches between motor and generator. Fact is that if you’re coasting you’re either accelerating or decelerating. If you’re accelerating then you’re wasting energy on increasing the cars speed above what you want it to be. This happens when you go down a hill but when you regen you capture that extra energy and put it back into the battery. If you coast and slow down then your wanting to slow down in which you don’t coast you use the motor to decelerate the car. These are the facts. Coasting works in ICE but not in EVs.
@@paulsimpson8990 I don't know what you're point is. You can coast in an EV without touching the brakes or doing any sort of regenerative braking just like in a gasoline vehicle. The most efficient driving involves very little usage of the brakes or doing regenerative braking something all hypermilers know. Hybrids and EVs are superior to non hybrid cars because unless you're doing engine braking which isn't common below a certain rpm (it varies) the engine is burning fuel while idling. If you disable regenerative braking entirely on an EV or hybrid, they're still going to be more efficient than a non hybrid. Regenerative braking is just a side benefit of having those electric motors.
Once energy is put into the wheels, best usage of it is for going forward rather than trying to recapture it in a battery. Regenerative braking is a compromise as it would be wasted in the brake pads otherwise.
This electric vehicle swindle is here in California, too.
My Lyft from the airport yesterday was a Tesla. He told me how great it was and then proceeded to tell me the 10 minute details on how he manages his pickups to make sure he could get the most fares in without running out of power or not having enough range to get back to his house for his 6 hour charge time on his home charger. No thanks.
The best cabs are hybrids …
When I was driving my BMW i3 from BMW's headquarters in Munich back up North in winter, I had to drive through the whole of Germany and Denmark stopping every 20 minutes to charge.
The range of the 'car' was under 100km to begin with with a full battery (on a highway...slightly over 100km with only city driving), but remember that they're only charged quickly to ~80% and it's not recommended to quick charge to 100%. So when you leave the charger for your next stint, you have only 80% of the already less than 100km of range. Then at about 130km/h that empties quickly. And no-one can drive consistently to exactly 0%, you need to leave at least 15-20% with that small battery as charging stations aren't exactly at optimal locations and you need to leave reserve to get to the next one if they're broken. So you're pretty much driving with 80%->20% of the battery which means you're have 60% of its capacity to use (probably 70-75% for a car with a larger battery).
Then add winter, with necessary cabin heating and something they don't tell you about: the EV battery still going out of optimal temperatures and thus dropping massively in efficiency, increasing consumption a lot!
From BMW Headquarters to Nyborg Denmark where I got on a ferry is 1,125km. Divide that by even 100km and that's 11 charging stops. In reality with only using about 60-65% of the battery every time I probably got about 60km per charge. I'm sure I did at least 16 charging stops plus overnight charging as I had to stop for the night with such slow progress.
Charging stops would've been about 20 minutes normally at optimum charging speeds as the i3 charges its small battery at 50kW which is ok, and unlike Teslas the i3 has very constant charging at near maximum the whole time up to about 80-85%. But that's not the reality of EV charging as anyone with experience knows. In the winter, at those horrible chargers I didn't usually get the full 50kW. It was winter so the battery was out of optimum temps so it refused to accept full charging speeds. So I often had to charge the ~15% -> ~85% charge for 30-35 minutes, sometimes even 40 minutes! Then it was 20-25 minutes of driving again! Repeat that for about 16 times over the course of two days...just sitting at one truck stop/gas station after another...
I think synthetic fuels will make EVs obsolete . Hybrids are the future.
Actually, we already had an super cheap fuel to produce and 60% less emissions than regular fuel. You can also get this in most fuelstations here in Sweden. The ethanol powered cars (E85).
Butanol all the way.
Yeah grow food for petrol, real smart.@AndrewTSq
Mmm no you don’t think….because if you could you would realise that EVs are the future
@@paulsimpson8990 lol
Indeed, about 10 years ago I bought a 1997 B4 VW Passat TDI Wagon with the 5-spd manual that was a gray market import from Germany-via Canada, so it didn't have the U.S. emissions package and was a bit more efficient than the U.S. spec model. I could force feed almost 23gal (90L) of 70% BIodiesel and 30% condemned Jet-A into the tank, and at over 50miles per US gallon, on business freeway trips I typically got about over 1000miles per fill-up.
Running some 'maths', I come up with at least 300Kwh to drive a model 3 Tesla 1,000 miles. Considering that in the U.S. West coast about 70% of electric power coming from non-renewable sources (mostly natural gas and coal) driving the Model 3 would likely produce several times more carbon emissions than my old VW TDI.
"take the city option for regen breaking"
nope, it will not help you. what help is the slow speed and lower air resistance loss. you could use that in a non city route too (not on highway, but other back roads.) yes, most driver will consider your a prick for going 30-50 in a roads that allows 90, but that is not different than considering you a prick for having the electric car alone. regen breaking reduce the loss from stopping, but you still lose energy by stopping.
The problem is physics. There is only so much energy stored in a battery. An hour drive in city is maybe 25 miles long. An hour drive in our freeways is 80 miles. Since energy density of gasoline is much higher, you carry more "miles" in the same volume.
Air conditioning in a car requires more power than household AC. I found that for an older vehicle that has those once popular quarter windows to deflect outside wind into the compartment that there ain't any problem keeping cool . Tests were done though that at speeds above 60kph that it was more efficient to use AC and to keep the quarter windows closed .
Na you can do long trips in EVs because theres diesel powered generators out there to charge them 😂 but diesel is expensive then paying extra for the electricity dosent make sence tho , best to buy an efficient diesel car or a hybrid
Wind resistance is a major negative for all EVs. A fellow took his Ionic 6 onto the German Autobahn and attempted to see if he could sustain 140 mph and for how long. First he could not sustain 140 due to throttling by the cars computer to avoid overheating. He did average about 120mph. At this speed air resistence cut his range to 1 hour or 120 miles - then he had to charge for nearly an hour; average speed 65 mph. ICE engines have a powercurve; as your engine approaches red line the efficiency of the engine is higher. Hence a small ICE engire generally gets better mpg than a large engine because it gets to high RPMs more of the time.
Take the city route, even though it will take 3x longer (bypasses must be avoided for max regeneration.)...
Solar shading for reduced AC power drain.
I had this exact conversation with a friend on Saturday, over a pint...
If you want to eliminate all these issues with evs, get an ice car.
More Tips to Extend Battery:
•Plan shorter trips.
•Dont drive up hills.
•Always follow car ahead of you bumper-to-bumper to stay in it's slip-stream.
•Drive only in tail-wind conditions.
•Always drive West to East to take advantage with Earth's rotation.
Big Tip: Always ask neighbor or friend if they're driving somewhere near to where you want to go.
Eco mode should be the only mode available for an Ev. Max 48 hp, not 1200hp.
If the Tesla has a 75kwh battery - 100% charged you have 100 bhp for 1 hour, or 200hp for 30 minutes, get the picture - flooring the Tesla to get 3 seconds 0-60 sucks power, but you get a bit back when you see the speed camera and take you foot off...
Funny you mentioned this. I filled up my C8, a mid engine super car. The estimate of range was 325 miles. I drove 25 miles on the free way and when I got hone, the range was 320 miles.
Amazing how that worked. My average and best ever indicators were almost on top of each other.
Last time I drove a really long way to get gas, no stops basically at all, got my best ever fuel consumption at 24.8 mpg, in the C8. The range after filling up was 350, higher than our sensible RAV4
If you are wondering what it is like to drive a Ev just unplug your alternator and let the anxiety in 😂
Years ago I was with a friend driving home after a camping trip. His alternator went out, but we had another 300 miles to go. We stopped at multiple gas stations to recharge his battery. It was a nerve-wracking trip, not knowing if we'd make it to the next gas station and fearing we'd be stuck on the side of the road. Thank God we finally made it home just after sundown. Not until now did I realize I'd had the "EV driving experience" of extreme anxiety back in the '70s!
@@deniswauchope3788 Happened to me as well, well before all this EV BS, alternator packed in very early on a 40 mile journey, I needed some lights and some heating, but I knew my battery was a bit knackered anyway. My god, even having a voltmeter to show how it was coping didn't help much to stop the anxiety of staring at that warning light, and 'Wondering when the ECU would just suddenly die or go bonkers??' Yeah, a very early prelude to the current range anxiety that's much in vogue.
Regen breaking is indeed a fudge and misunderstood by the general public.
While driving, "extra" energy isn't put back into the battery by braking, merely energy that has already been expended is partly recovered.
Maybe think of the cycle like a traditional wooden rollercoaster. Charging it is dragging the cars to the highest point of the ride. When launched, the ride can gain and lose speed, gain and lose height, but can never go beyond a speed directed by rolling resistance and can never go higher than the launch height. At the end of the ride, the cars will be traveling slowly at a much reduced height.
Ev batteries energy outputs are much the same
How is it a fudge? You are not coasting like a roller coaster….you are recovering kinetic energy which is put back into the battery…..where does that energy go in your ice car? Friction and heat….you need to take a trip in a model 3 and watch the energy indicator. You can depart the top of a mountain and arrive at the bottom with 5% more battery charge 👍 try making gasoline when you drive down a hill
@@paulsimpson8990 you are misunderstanding my analogue.
Yes indeed it is highly likely for a ev to get to the bottom of a mountain with 5% more charge compared to what it had at the top of the mountain. However, drive that same ev back up that same mountain immediately afterwards and I guarantee it will have much less charge in that battery than if it travelled the same distance on a perfectly flat road
Are you telling me I cannot drive my Hertz Tesla at 220 km/h across Germany on one charge? A C-Class Mercedes which I rented a few years ago from the airport did that with ease, by the way.
You have to look for a petrol tesla then
I guess he is.
@@mike-bv2jc Well, Hertz charges $277 to fill up a Tesla with petrol. I think I will look for a methane Tesla that runs on cow farts.
@@ChristianWagner888 that's even better
My dad was actually surprised by the range of his new petrol car. Well "new" is 10 years old used/refurbished here.
Anyway he managed to do ~800km on a single tank. His speed was 100-130km/h which is the legal speed limit for highways in my country.
Yeah, EVs don’t come with 6 speed gearboxes.
And?
exactly, much more relaxing driving an EV and no expensive repair or service costs
😂 ah the worst feature of ice cars having to choose between maximum efficiency and maximum power all the time.
@@dps615 Just wait until your EV needs new tyres, or a new heater matrix, or a new battery pack. Then come back and tell us EVs are cheap to repair.
@@dps615 except when the motors or battery die
I live in NE NSW, not to far from the Pacific Motorway. It has become a challenge not to overtake them on the Motorway. Most are travelling between 80 and 90 kph for their own Conservation, that is power conservation. At 30kph below the max speed limit of 110kph they may draw the ire of the NSWHP, they are very black and white when it comes to slow speeds for no reason. My wife in the morning travelling north for work says they are usually the slowest vehicles on the Motorway.
Apart from town routes, why would you in a proper vehicle given an alternative, all those range increasing suggestions work in an ICE vehicle with the added bonus of better range on motorway/freeway driving.
Taking the city route to benefit from regenerative brakeing reminds me of the Sinfeld episode where Kramer had the idea of buying and consuming tons of soda so he could make money on can recycling.
EVs are just terrible, PERIOD
I have one and I love it best car ever
If they areinefficient at higher speeds, I wonder, what speeds do they use to calclulate the range that is advertised ? 🤔
What about suggesting to EV owners to drivealong highways with their foot on the brakes 🤣
Kinda hard to scan with my phone if I’m watching on my phone.
He's obviously never heard of Prime Water - it regenerates underground and doesn't just recycle. That is just the old scarcity trick.
Driving short distances in the city can also be a catastrophe for EVs! Driving in the city in the winter with an EV means consumption can approach nearly infinite!! This is something I experienced and noticed to be a catastrophe with EVs when I drove mine in my everyday work life in the cold winter of Northern Europe:
-The car got cold over the night.
You have your car precondition itself and heat up the cabin as it's about -5C outside, using up lots of electricity which already makes the reported figures for EVs totally false. Then you get in, and drive 2 km to pick up a parcel. Your car sits there outside for 20 minutes while you get to the pickup, wait in line, then get back to your car...
-Which means the car had enough time to get cold again
You turn on the pre-heating of the cabin (and the car pre-heats the battery automatically) when you headed back towards your car. Then you drive 2km to the office, and spend about 1 hour there.
-Car gets cold again
So you preheat it again, then head to a meeting 3km away.
-Car gets cold again
It takes about an hour, and after pre-heating it again you head to another meeting 1km away, and park for the hour it takes for that meeting.
-Car gets cold again
Then you head out for lunch, pre-heating the car so you are not freezing while driving the 1km to the lunch place where you meet your colleague.
-Car gets cold again
Then you preheat and head back the 2km to the office
-Car gets cold again
You prepare by preheating to go pick up some stuff, driving 1km to pick them up
-Car gets cold again
After only 15 minutes inside picking up the parts the car is completely cold again, but thanks to preheating you're comfy on your way to a work site 3km away.
-Car gets cold again
You preheat, leave the work site, then go back 3km to the office
-Car gets cold again
You preheat and head towards home, but you have to go pick up some groceries.
-Car gets cold again
You finally drive the rest of the 2km home.
-Car gets cold again so the car's systems automatically heat up the battery for charging...and the charging losses are still higher than normal.
So that's about 19km, and 12 times you had to heat up the car's cabin with electricity, plus however much the car needs to keep heating up the battery. Tesla uses 7kW to precondition the battery in preparation for fast charging (proven to use that heater for over 30 minutes for preparation and during one single charge even after having driven on a motorway for a long time before that!) but I don't know how much mine used for heating the battery...EV companies hide that info from you. I'm sure they hide that info for a reason.
I could tell there was massive amounts of energy wasted as my battery would empty very fast on such days, with hardly any km driven! This is how many of my days went when I still lived up in Northern Europe. Many short drives in a cold climate. With an ICE car I would've barely used any fuel...even when using a gasoline-powered Webasto heater to pre-heat the car!
As any mathematician can tell you, in the winter with EVs your energy consumption can approach infinite. I mean consider someone who only drives like three incredibly short errands per week...but the EV has to keep its battery warm and always pre-heat itself for charging and driving. I'm sure it uses up a lot of electricity just sitting there during the week only to then drive (inefficiently as the battery is still cold and the cabin heater is blasting) a stone's throw away for the retiree to get his weekly groceries. Many people really use their cars like that. Multiply that by millions. For no reason. And they have to pay many times more for their infrequent, limited motoring compared to their old cheap ICE car.
I scraped the bottom of my car on a speed bump the other day. No harm no foul. Can one in an EV say that?!
When EVs are working hard, the batteries get hot and require cooling, with pumps etc that use battery power.
When batteries get hot their internal resistance goes up and now they are a resistor is the circuit, the last thing you want. This thermodynamics has been know for over 100 years of electrochemistry. Reference Nernst.
As an engineer you should understand these concepts. The faster you go the higher the fuel consumption in any car. It's just that ice cars are lamentably inefficient at town driving and are at their best at about 50mph constant driving speeds.
But I agree if I lived in the Australian outback I wouldn't drive an EV. But for town driving and if you have a house supply you can't beat an EV. It's really horses for courses isn't it.
I must replace the engine in my MG TD for a motor and battery.. .
I do agree with most of what you say but you do seem obsessed with ridiculing people who have bought an ev. Its not nice and these people were given incentives to buy them remember. And by the way i have never seen an ev on fire. Just a few on you tube
There is no way mguy is an engineer. If he is he is a complete dumbass and you wouldn’t want him on your project that’s for sure 😂😂😂😂
Hybrids are ICE but are really efficient in town
Tip 1 concerning 'preconditioning your car' doesn't make sense, you can precondition the car as much as you want, but how are you going to get into the vehicle without opening the door and letting all that preconditioned cold/warm air escape.
As for tip no.5, that's just ridiculous. "Consider the terrain you'll be driving on and plan ahead so you can optimise your tyres for reduced abrasion."
So, do they expect people to stock a range of different tyre compounds in their garage so they can switch them out dependant on where they may be going on a day to day basis?
I'd move to Australia but for the wildlife that seems hell bent on killing everyone.
You want dangerous wildlife, come to South Africa. One needs to go to the game reserves, amoungst our magnificent mega fauna, to be safe from it.
@@nickgood8166 I think the only safe continent is Antarctica. Surely they don't have killer penguins? 🐧
Regenerative breaks helps get some energy back but you are still using energy. It is the slower speeds not the regenerative breaking. There is an optimum speed for the motor and if you can keep it at its optimum speed will get the most from your battery.