@@ExceedProduction I don't think Larian of all studios would cop-out on that interaction, Minthara says several times how to love is the hardest thing person can do, so it makes sense she would appreciate you the most.
It is nice to wake up with her and not have her looming over you trying to stab you😂😂 sure she poisons you, but it is just a little to build your tolerance so someone else can't poison you
I mean she does come froma culture were everyone has the same level of trust in each other as a politicians, so in my eyes she just trains so we wouldn,t be dead
She doesn’t care about law or hierarchy, doesn’t respect any higher being or authority. She wants to be free and violently crush her enemies. Definitely chaotic evil.
God, these characters are amazing. Minthara, Lae'zel, Shadowheart, etc. They are all brilliantly written and acted. This game is a masterpiece. Minthara has drastic change of character based on your decisions and conversations. Initially, she's very cold and ruthless. Here, she's softened and is completely taken with Tav. So much so, she wants to name her House after her, which would have been unthinkable early on in the game.
Enable non lethal attack and attack her first in the goblin camp. Make sure you use mele attacks and deal with the rest of the camp as you deem necessary. Ive she survives unconcios then you'll met her next time at moonrise tower in act 2, she wil l talk to Ketheric about her failiure to conquer the grove, persude the interigator to not kill her and free her from the prison afterwards. Pretty neat paladin, she already has some lithid powers and she is the most likely to accept the mutated lithid tadpole to become stronger.
Minthara is the perfect representation of what I see as "amoral neutral" - she's not evil, just self-serving , or in case of romance serving two people :) She feels like a rottweiler puppy and as a guy who happened to have two rottweilers as my neighbor died and somebody had to adopt them I gotta say, it's super cute how despite outward agression they bend over backwards to please you.
I definitely think she's evil though. Like, objectively she's evil, it may be in large part due to her heritage as a noble drow of Menzoberranzan (however you spell that place), but she revels in pretty much every way to ruthlessly assert dominance and power that she can. In that way, along with her paladin base class, she could be seen as an exemplar of Lawful Evil. Evil doesn't mean that you are incapable of loving or caring for someone in D&D, it just means that you tend towards actions that benefit yourself at the expense of another. I think in that respect, Astarion, Lae'zel, Minthara, and Shadowheart are all very interesting characters as they are all some varying shade of evil at the start of the game, if you go by traditional D&D reasoning, yet each one of them has a very firm logic and sympathetic edge to their evil actions.
@@deadseven3474 You skip a teeny-tiny problem - outside of actions done under control of Absolute we never see Minthara demand anything evil, since quips like "Let's kill that shitty clown and we'll be heroes" seem to be her deadpan delivery jokes. If anything Minthara's actions outside of Menzoberranzan seem to be directed simply by survival, by that logic an average bear is evil because it eats innocent fish. Objectively speaking Astarion, Lae'zel or Shadowheart do much evil out of ambition, ego or fanaticism, the motivations that make immoral actions done in their name expressly evil.
@@mareczek00713 On all that, I'd almost call her Chaotic Neutral, but she's too calculated to really earn that. Maybe Neutral Evil? And that's only, once again, more due to the culture of Lolth-Sworn Drow around power. If there were halfway points between alignments, I'd probably put her as a semi-evil. No big bad villain, outside of her aspirations for back home, but is that really evil if they ALL would do it?
Minthara, would defo be her friend, would keep it in my pants though, lest she listens to reason and tells lolth to stuff it. Cause very much is lolth a complete freaking loonatic. And minthara makes me laugh. No that one scene of her with a desperate plea or strife from acknowledgement of being a pawn from booking her on the head had any play. Genuinely, bonking her on the head was purely because i had a choice and i chose option 3. Screw you halsin! Kinda.
@@mal1362 that is worst thing to do in forgotton realms, if follow no god then you will end up on the wall when you die. suffer forever while being stuck to that wall.
@@dragoonofdarkness1826 That's true for most people, but I'm pretty sure Withers wouldn't let that happen to his favorite adventurers...I hope. If not, sign me up to follow Gale.
So, she's always terrible and evil. I never regret taking her out right from the start. I only wish there were more options to taunt and humiliate her.
The fact Minthara wants the new house to be in your name says a lot given the culture she was brought up in
if you are a male drow she still says this and calls you her king which just proves your statement further
@@cream583 Holy shit really? DAMN that does given drow culture...
@@cream583 Wait really? I mean, maybe that was just the easy way out for the devs but taking it at face value - DAMN!
@@ExceedProduction I don't think Larian of all studios would cop-out on that interaction, Minthara says several times how to love is the hardest thing person can do, so it makes sense she would appreciate you the most.
A part of me never knows when Minthara is being dead serious or joking and i love it.
Her being serious is messed up, and the way she makes jokes is being messed up.
I'm pretty sure Minthara tells the player about being ordered to kill her beloved, poisoning her, and then holding her while she died. Yikes.
The fact she does not sleep implys she just stared at you till you awake.
she IS an elf, she requires only 4 hours of meditation
@@equinoxxed_7502shes drow not elf i think
@tharealKDHD Drow = Dark Elf. It's an elf variant
@@equinoxxed_7502 my character is an elf and sleeps
I love how her "good" ending, still ends in her being a conquerer and wanting to poison people
Luckily we’re able to tame her from most of that, I’d imagine she wouldn’t think of going against our characters wishes
A girl's gotta have her hobbies.
In my good ending with her we became crime lords which for some reason I've not seen anyone else encounter.
It is nice to wake up with her and not have her looming over you trying to stab you😂😂 sure she poisons you, but it is just a little to build your tolerance so someone else can't poison you
I mean she does come froma culture were everyone has the same level of trust in each other as a politicians, so in my eyes she just trains so we wouldn,t be dead
WAKE UP SOLDIER, HORUS HAS TURNED ON HIS BROTHERS AND IS ATTACKING THE EMPEROR!
I was there when Horus slew the Emperor…
HERESY THE EMPREROR LIVES,
@@release_the_Diddy_list
HERESY
@@release_the_Diddy_list You and everyone else. Was there a single person who wasn't there?
Have faith, we are all bleeding today. Hahaha.
Karlach a loyalist Bloodletter
I don’t want to fix her. I want to enable her!
I want her to make me worse honestly
Love Minthara! Had to romance her on my second play through but got caught up in Shadowheart again! It pained me that I had to let Shadowheart go!
That’s me almost every play through 😆😂
There should be a new alignment in D&D called Deliciously Evil. That's what Minthara is.
She doesn’t care about law or hierarchy, doesn’t respect any higher being or authority. She wants to be free and violently crush her enemies. Definitely chaotic evil.
God, these characters are amazing. Minthara, Lae'zel, Shadowheart, etc. They are all brilliantly written and acted. This game is a masterpiece. Minthara has drastic change of character based on your decisions and conversations. Initially, she's very cold and ruthless. Here, she's softened and is completely taken with Tav. So much so, she wants to name her House after her, which would have been unthinkable early on in the game.
0:07 the smile of one who is truly contented
Minthara is a goddess ❤
Milfthara
U didn’t say I love you!??!?
Minty’s laugh is so delightful ❤❤
I didnt know you could recruit her, kind of feel bad for beating her to death now.
Maybe recruit her in your next play through?
Maybe beat her to death again in your next play through?
There’s a toggle non lethal option in the “passives” menu. You can just knock her down in act 1 and save her from Ketheric’s prison in act 2
Enable non lethal attack and attack her first in the goblin camp. Make sure you use mele attacks and deal with the rest of the camp as you deem necessary. Ive she survives unconcios then you'll met her next time at moonrise tower in act 2, she wil l talk to Ketheric about her failiure to conquer the grove, persude the interigator to not kill her and free her from the prison afterwards. Pretty neat paladin, she already has some lithid powers and she is the most likely to accept the mutated lithid tadpole to become stronger.
@@Fireok73does she join you if you save her in act 2?
It almost makes me feel bad that I took her out almost every playthrough I've ever done..almost 😅
Got this ending as my Wyll "Butcher of Frontiers" playthrough
“I can fix her”.
Someone make a mod for the conquering of mezzoberanzan
Minthara is the perfect representation of what I see as "amoral neutral" - she's not evil, just self-serving , or in case of romance serving two people :)
She feels like a rottweiler puppy and as a guy who happened to have two rottweilers as my neighbor died and somebody had to adopt them I gotta say, it's super cute how despite outward agression they bend over backwards to please you.
I definitely think she's evil though. Like, objectively she's evil, it may be in large part due to her heritage as a noble drow of Menzoberranzan (however you spell that place), but she revels in pretty much every way to ruthlessly assert dominance and power that she can. In that way, along with her paladin base class, she could be seen as an exemplar of Lawful Evil.
Evil doesn't mean that you are incapable of loving or caring for someone in D&D, it just means that you tend towards actions that benefit yourself at the expense of another. I think in that respect, Astarion, Lae'zel, Minthara, and Shadowheart are all very interesting characters as they are all some varying shade of evil at the start of the game, if you go by traditional D&D reasoning, yet each one of them has a very firm logic and sympathetic edge to their evil actions.
@@deadseven3474 You skip a teeny-tiny problem - outside of actions done under control of Absolute we never see Minthara demand anything evil, since quips like "Let's kill that shitty clown and we'll be heroes" seem to be her deadpan delivery jokes. If anything Minthara's actions outside of Menzoberranzan seem to be directed simply by survival, by that logic an average bear is evil because it eats innocent fish.
Objectively speaking Astarion, Lae'zel or Shadowheart do much evil out of ambition, ego or fanaticism, the motivations that make immoral actions done in their name expressly evil.
@@mareczek00713 On all that, I'd almost call her Chaotic Neutral, but she's too calculated to really earn that. Maybe Neutral Evil? And that's only, once again, more due to the culture of Lolth-Sworn Drow around power.
If there were halfway points between alignments, I'd probably put her as a semi-evil. No big bad villain, outside of her aspirations for back home, but is that really evil if they ALL would do it?
Would u say mizora is the same?
So what you are saying is..... "I can fix her".
Orin's outfit painted black looks interesting
Minthara, would defo be her friend, would keep it in my pants though, lest she listens to reason and tells lolth to stuff it. Cause very much is lolth a complete freaking loonatic. And minthara makes me laugh.
No that one scene of her with a desperate plea or strife from acknowledgement of being a pawn from booking her on the head had any play. Genuinely, bonking her on the head was purely because i had a choice and i chose option 3. Screw you halsin! Kinda.
Minthara no longer follows lolth. After being manipulated by both lolth and the absolute minthara has cursed all gods follows none.
@mal1362 ah.
minthara is indeed no longer under any god's influence. she's entirely ride or die with the player character, to the very end.
@@mal1362 that is worst thing to do in forgotton realms, if follow no god then you will end up on the wall when you die. suffer forever while being stuck to that wall.
@@dragoonofdarkness1826 That's true for most people, but I'm pretty sure Withers wouldn't let that happen to his favorite adventurers...I hope. If not, sign me up to follow Gale.
Perfect evil drow woman
I never understood how Minthara is related to the rest of the Baenre’s. Is she saying her mother is Quenthel? Or someone else?
You do Fluffy luffy ending next?
So, she's always terrible and evil. I never regret taking her out right from the start. I only wish there were more options to taunt and humiliate her.
She's not too bad as far as Drow nobility goes. Especially not by the end. But she is still Drow nobility soooooo
She is the most lighthearted and kind drow noble I've ever seen.