Why Adding a Nakoda Operator is A Big Deal
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Tell your dad that some random stranger on the internet thinks he’s a gigachad
Says that a group of strangers called him a gigachad
Greg's Dad for president 2024
Ditto
I second this
Make that two
This documentary style cultural analysis is where you shine my man. If you ever get time to have a second channel where you do more stuff like your Brazil documentary I'd watch it.
Fully agreed
Definitely this always has fitted his style.
Wait, there's a Brazil documentary?
@@reapthebeats_9461 that’s what I was thinking, never saw it either I’m assuming?
@@xinikal_ The amount of money i'd pay to hear this dude tell me about the culture of one of the most 0 or 100, no inbetweens regions in esports...
Papa Greg seems like a cool guy.
Agreed
He does and is
Of course he is he raised a chad
This
Just an all around excellent group of people.
I'm Cree and it's pretty damn interesting they added a Native person. Pretty sweet stuff.
me too (oji-cree), but they had Frost since op Black ice :P she native too
Boozhoo homie
@@trayvon4484 I thought frost was a Chinese Canadian
@@NorroTaku I believe her last name is either Chinese or Tibetan. I don't think they say since she's born Canadian though.
I was flippin' excited when I heard. I'm Haida.
Thunderbird is a cool character lore wise. Aside from Melusi, the last actually realistic story we got for an operator was Goyo (dad and sister killed in a bombing, mom encouraged him to join military school and he worked on anti-smuggling operations), Everything else is super cheesy and unrealistic, so it's cool to see a new character that earned their spot with their own ambition and skill
I dunno, Flores is literally same with Caveira. Both engaged in crime in their past but got their second chances to turn their life around.
@@memecliparchives2254 Ace and Melusi are also pretty realistic. Ace is an expert at opening hatches/walls to save people (and has military experience), and melusi literally kills people to save animals, but i guess her gadget isn't realistic. Oryx is also realistic, to a certain extent. He has military experience and got selected into team rainbow because of his extra ordinary power and agility.
@@MrSeal-oy3fu Just retcon the part where he joins Nighthaven and there you go. Yeah, Oryx is a figurative representation of local fighters against terrorists in their homeland like Kurdish against Isis and he is Kaid's right hand man after all.
@@memecliparchives2254 Oryx also runs through walls so idk about the realism there lol
@@CalculusPhysics I guess his backstory is kind of. And just give him a prototype exosuit (not exactly a suit but those wrapped around arms and legs) that will alleviate it.
I hate when big content creators complain about lore, so thank you for making this
God bless anyone reading this, you are loved❤
What?
oh nvm great comment
The lore does suck but she’s cool
Agreed but I think siege is just... Not good in that department.
For one the writing of character themselves has been pretty inconsistent, but most importantly is that said writing isn't front and center, and my best way to put it in relation to another online game: "it isn't Apex Legends".
What do I mean ? Well Apex's characters are *very* front and center. They are a core part of the game's identity, even if they don't tie up with their gameplay. In Siege, outside of THunt there's really no characters.. they would be blank states and nothing would much change. They don't interact with one another, they don't have voicelines outside of "deployed X or Y", "spotted enemy at Z", and the obvious "RELOADIIIIINNNNG"
Which is a shame really. Siege in lore has a pretty good cast of characters, and is probably the first multiplayer game I know where character have a "calm" and "in combat" variant of their voicelines.
This is what it’s all about; recognizing and acknowledging other people’s culture and history. That’s how progress is made. Love the vid.
A mass grave of First Nations children was just found near my city in Canada, it’s a really dark part of Canadian history. It good to see representation for First Nations people in a video game.
Yeah I live in the same province. It was so shocking
Texan here, we’re praying for your people and country.
Yep I’m in Northern BC, very horrifying things happened at the Residential schools. The last one didn’t close until 1996
There's a sense of relief seeing people becoming finally aware of what we've known for all these years.
Wish goyo would be considered Native American, he basically is because Mexican people are Native American
Nice one Greg. I’m Native American by blood but due to destruction of much of Native culture I don’t even know what Tribe I come from, or damn near anything about my roots
It’s crazy how you know way more the culture than I do. Says a lot about Native history in the US
Y’all should look up the Navajo Indians and their role in WW2. There’s a good book from the perspective of one called Code Talker.
I remember reading a book (based on real events but using fake characters) that I really enjoyed for dual credit history about how integral they were to battles on the island during the “island hopping” warfare. So cool how the ace in the hole to keep comms secure was to use a language that was ostensibly dead. I don’t mean that in a derogatory manner, just in the same way Latin died out, even if not by the same means, just more eroded in terms of presence through the passage of time.
I read code talker in school, one of the best books I have ever read.
It was a really good book
I love that book so flippin much, thanks for helping me remember
Shit like this is an excellent reminder of why Greg is such a shining gem within the Siege community
I can’t wait for the Irish operator I wonder if it will talk about them having beef with the SAS ops
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British and Irish people don’t always get along
@@joeligmacandace9356 I wonder why?
@@reaperofinsanity3370 The Troubles. Look it up
@@joeligmacandace9356 especially when one of them is called Thatcher 😅
Hearing Greg talk about his father is really heart warming,also tell your dad he's pretty cool
“Mission passed +Respect”
Jokes aside, great video
"a james bond villan" i just died lol
Well rule 34 sniper is the reason why we're going to have Rainbow Six Siege: Civil War soon
I can officially say I learned something and was genuinely left with a feeling of fulfillment. Thank you for your time and energy in making this video and teaching me these things.
I agree this video was really good
6:20 as an Irish person if they don't mention the troubles in the lore of the character i will flip shit.
What would be the point of that? The characters shouldn’t be there to make political points.
@@alexglase765 I don’t think you know how big the troubles were in Ireland.
@@alexglase765 Theres a guy named Thatcher that specificly hates the scotish operator.
@@swemn8062 dont know what your on about. In Thatcher's bio it literally says Sledge is one of his few friends
@@alexglase765 .... The characters in the TOM CLANCY GAME LOL
Yeah honestly the jokes can be annoying especially when you have friends that do it 24/7 and the moment I say it’s unfunny or just plain dumb they just go.......”LIBERAL”
My friends call her Thanos even tho those markings on her chin are important to her way of living
@@gjr9546 I don’t care if you make a joke it’s just when you hear it over and over and over again like those lame ass among us jokes it just gets lame and repetitive
@@halfblood5995 WHEN THE IMPOSTER IS SU- Sorry but I agree with you
Or they get offended and just go "RaYcisT"
THey probably dont even know what a liberal is in the first place lol
During the reveal stream for Thunderbird, I found it really cool what they did to create her, especially with bringing consultants of her tribe to help make Thunderbird more authentic in her design. Stuff like that defintley needs to happen for this game and its future operators.
No it doesn’t. Ops just need to be good and balanced, I don’t give a shit about being more diversed, Thunderbird is a broken op, but this comment section is fine with it cause she’s a native lmfao
@@2kmichaeljordan438 bro it's a live service game. New heroes/ops/characters are op 90% of the time on release.
@@2kmichaeljordan438 she's not even op lol
Aight time to set a reminder on this vid for tomorrow, put on a hazmat suit and come back for this juicy comment section once it's ripe.
Im quite proud of the ry community on this one. Haven't seen a whole lotta vitriol yet
rest in peace gregor’s dad. sorry for your loss.
I originally watched you because you were a good content creator for R6 that mixed comedy with tactics in the game itself. That said I have to say that this video and your other recent videos included education has been surprisingly great to fill out the subject matter. I look forward to more of this in the future.
We could all stand to have thicker skin. We could all ALSO stand to be more considerate. Both things can be true.
Good vid Gregor
Making fun of literally every other operator :)
Making fun of the Indian operator :(
@@XCVBNMC ahem... NATIVE AMERICAN
@@ArKyt3k ur right. I can't wait for an actual Indian operator who's gadget is scam calling defenders.
@@XCVBNMC there already is an Indian op, it's Kali
@@XCVBNMC all in favor of changing dokkabeis nationality say I
As a Welsh person, I can’t say I’m all too bothered by jokes like sheep shagger and shit like that, and to be honest I wouldn’t say I’m particularly offended by any jokes about Wales. But some of them are just so tired and played out that it just gets annoying, and I wish people would just stop saying them cuz they’ve been beaten to death.
Cymru am byth! Here's hoping a Welsh operator comes in the future.
I would've thought any sheep-related jokes would have been related to new zealand or some shit but I guess you learn something every day.
Side note, your language is wild as fuck, and I mean that to say it sounds very cool.
If they add a Welsh op they'd better have a codename like ram or something
"Aww shit boys, I've flashbanged myself. T'in dwp mun"
Dude, I would *love to have* a Welsh Operator in this game. Here's hoping for Year 7!
I thought this was going to be a shallow attempt to stab down on uninformed memers but I'm glad Gregor is so much more. The well explained and meaningful video has changed my mind about thunderbird. Before she was Thanos chin, now she is a deeply cultured woman of complex origin. Thank you Greg.
so being a nakoda person that was born on the fort peck rez in montana, i can say that the internet can definitely do better than shitty thanos jokes, and that i heavily respect this video greg
Thank you Gregor for having some class when talking about this subject. As someone whose family is native to America, it does feel kind of crappy when people constantly try to make jokes about your culture without understanding it at all. The number of times I have had to stop myself from rolling my eyes at the same unfunny, ignorant "joke" lest I look like a killjoy SJW with no sense of humour. Heaven forbid though if you make the same style of joke towards them because then they immediately realize how unfunny that style of joke actually is.
It really comes down to this.
When you make a joke that is culturally insensitive but you didn't know any better: It doesn't make it Ok but we can have a teaching moment if you are receptive to hearing it out.
When you make a joke that is culturally insensitive but others have tried to explain why it legitimately isn't funny: Not ok, you're just being an asshole. Stop being an asshole.
We all have said/did some dumb things that we can all learn from, it just requires you to be willing to accept that you may not know enough about something or you might know the wrong things. It's ok to be wrong, we can all do better.
Awesome vid, and you perfectly encapsulated a point made by a lot of people about the current state of discussion surrounding culture and comedy, you can still joke about people's cultures, just not be insensitive to the people who really do care about it,while also pointing out that it doesnt mean you have to pander to overly sensitive points of view. Really admirable Greg, you did a great job
I love how real Gregor is when it comes to these topics. It feels like someone with actual feelings and thoughts is telling me something that feels personal to them and something they care about. I also love how much respect takes into account when it comes to these videos. Great video gregor.
As a native Canadian I wanted to thank you for making this video and being an awesome ally to indigenous people. Your dad raised you right, and I thank you for venturing into the muddy waters to deliver this message.
It is so important to speak up about these toxic jokes that are not even funny. These videos makes it easier for younger people to comprehend since your approach is not super opinionated and aggressive but rather informative and chill.
So this is coming from an Australian that was never taught about Nakota people or really anything about the native Americans, I like the team rainbow being a melding pot of different nations, cultures and backgrounds
You know about indigenous Australians right?
Ubisoft is adding a new operator from my tribe (i'm a Wesley) the Nakoda people, that does put a smile on my face :)
This hits even more with the discovery of over 200 child skeletons found on the site of a residential school in Canada. I’m always for the inclusion of indigenous because after all their culture and lifestyle has been suppressed for centuries.
Wow, way to miss the point of the entire video. She's not being include because of her ethnicity, it's because she fits the team. You just had to go and make it political.
@@humbleclay79 Ayyyy my man
@@humbleclay79 saying that a oppressed culture needs representation isn’t political.
@@humbleclay79 No, the ubisoft devs deliberately chose to add an Indigenous woman to the game. They wanted to add some Native representation to the game. You’re the one missing the point.
@@megavore97 and what is the point exactly? Are you trying to infer them deliberately choosing her is a problem? By that logic, choosing Thermite is a problem since he is a white Texan, choosing ash is a problem since she is Jewish, Aruni is a problem since she is Asian, and Mira is a problem since she is Spanish. No matter how you picked, each of them have a different culture with different defining characteristics. Although maybe you weren’t making that point so now I am curious, what point were you making?
As a Native American, thank you for representing our culture well. Seeing all the dumb jokes about her has sucked. Thank you for bringing a new perspective to a community
6:27 Goddammit. When you played that part of history of the entire world, i guess, my brain replayed the rest of the video in my head.
I have watched that video many, many, many times hahaha
Same
Idk why he get offended by thanos joke bc she did look like thanos and maybe thanos was based on native America.
@@AgentYellowWang Thanos wasn't based on Native Americans. Simple as that.
@@endergoldman9965 maybe some inspiration from native America 🤷♂️🤷♂️ it look really similar idc how that offended anyone?
@@AgentYellowWang But it did, accept that.
I know that the whole “long lost air to the Danish-Throne” is unrealistic, but you gotta admit that that is really cool. Like, I know that Ubi Stepped out and did some unrealistic things, but let’s just say it adds a lot of... SPICE, to siege.
It kind of fit the operation as a whole too. Phantom Sight was heavily inspired by spy fiction. A member of a clandestine unit who is super deep undercover and a Secret Service agent? Hell yeah!
TL;DR this is like the third video of yours I’ve ever seen and I couldn’t be happier
I’ve been playing this game for like a month as a way to just play something I won’t take seriously/get competitive with cuz I suck at FPSs (I think I’m failing tbh) and only found you after looking up “wtf does Nomad do?” This video came up as a recommendation and as of 3am EST, fuck all 288 dislikes on this video. This is dope content. I got a history lesson which I normally hate, I learned that it’s the Nakoda tribe and not Dakota like I thought I heard and I learned a funny dude on the internet has a potentially complex political ideology while still seeming to give a fuck about other human beings. Tbh, it’s not worth inviting ppl to dislike your content, if they don’t they’ll let you know cuz TH-cam comments be like that some times. I just hope you know that you’ve made something that will impact ppl in this presumably tiny community. Thanks for giving a shit.
(Disclaimer I’m not a Native American or anything close, I’ve just grown to have a disposition close that of your dad)
They did super well with this operator I like the realism and tactical aspect of siege so it’s really refreshing to get an op that’s realistic. Natives have also had roles in several US wars.
This was a fantastic video Greg, I really like these types of videos from you, a lot of great points/counterarguments made and the part about your dad was great
I really love the new operator and even tho i normaly dont care about representation i can't help but appreciate the Job Ubisoft has done/ is doing with Siege. Love the video and really liked getting your perspective on this topic.
I'm an Aussie, I've got aboriginal blood, I was really disappointed when both the Aussie ops ended up being white. Australian Aboriginals are so underrepresented in media and it would've been cool to have somebody in rainbow representing that heritage. thunderbird being nakoda is a great addition and gives me hope for more indigenous populations to be represented
I was hoping initially that one op would be Aussie, and the other would be a New Zealander. Not only did indigenous folk get stiffed a little, but the Kiwis did too.
Considering our close historical ties with them, it was a little disappointing
I understand what your saying and I would like more indigenous representation but I think it would be better in they had a NZ themed season later down the line than making AUS and NZ share again
I’m an Aussie as well. Would have loved for one of the Aussie ops to be of aboriginal descent, I’m hoping now if a New Zealand op gets added they are Maori
@@Aviationlord7742 100% just cuz they didn't make a first nation Australian op doesn't mean they shouldn't do Maori character in later seasons
I really like when you get series like this. Thanks for the vid.
I am Navajo American. The Thunderbird is very important to me in the Navajo mythos.
The Thunderbird was once a large imposing creature from the realm of chaos. It was massive, when it would soar across the sky, every flap of its wings would cause thunder to crack and storms followed behind the Thunderbird whereever it traversed. The creature soared through the Navajo lands as it harassed and picked off people. That was until, a duo of characters referred to as the Sun Twins were awarded special tools and weapons from Spider Woman. (She was a woman that taught the Navajo how to weave and to never do so out of selfish desire for notoriety). Spider woman assisted the twins.
The Monster Slayer and Born from Water (the general titles assigned to the duo). Took it upon themselves to fight the imposing bird of nature. The battle was one of clever technique and some luck. The twins were able to defeat the Thunderbird and when it died. It crashed down on the desert and left a massive hole. To which time has covered the body.
According to my Grandmother, Grand Uncle, and Medicine Men I talked to growing up. When the Thunderbird died, it's body turned to stone. We see the corpse of the bird every day. It is based on a volcanic neck, called Shiprock Peak. The Peak was referred to as the tail feathers of the Thunderbird. Which is a protected and honored landmark of the Navajo people. It was a triumph of the Sun Twins. (If you look at Shiprock Peak from space, it would appear that the peak has two massive sprouting wings. To which amazed my geography professor when I informed him of the legend).
The Navajo, or the Dine as we call ourselves believe in Order and Chaos. To me, the character Thunderbird is embracing the mythical creature as a chaotic bringer of order. Someone who soars with eagles and is there to help defend everyday people. The Thunderbird is remembered as something different to other tribes. I felt like I should explained the Navajo version I grew up with.
Also, I LOVE TB's design. She is rugged and eminates the embodiment of a modern American Indian person. (I don't like to use the term 'Native American'). She is not whimsical or appears like a tribal warrior stereotype.
I have not seen a character with so much self respect since Thunder from Killer Instinct 2013. I love Thunderbird and what the character may come to mean to me for the future. I miss my relatives and the stories they told me growing up, but now I attempt to at least inform my family's newest generations of the heritage they possess. I live in a place near a town called Shiprock, and nearly every day I go anywhere. I see Shiprock Peak and I feel comforted in the deepest parts of my soul that such a landmark could mean so much to me.
Thank you for enduring my steam of consciousness.
Forget siege lore I’m more interested in Gregor’s all-knowing Dad’s lore
I remember how happy I was when Melusi got added and a South Atrican operator was in the game.
Mom?
"Yes..?"
It's Greg.
"What's he done?"
He's being a chad again...
I loved this video, Greg. Honestly gold standard type stuff. Putting this kinda energy out into the community is so important.
You’re a chad my guy
I like it when games like R6 add characters of different backgrounds and depictions. Not to mark off a checklist of "diversity", but rather to create a diverse group of characters with interesting stories. I don't care if Ubisoft makes a checklist to add a gay person, a disabled person, or people of strange ethnicities, I care if their stories are intertwined with these details to make them compelling characters to play and learn.
TL:DR, don't let a single trait define a character. Let a single trait be a piece of a whole character
Man, I really love this, fa real... One of my best friends, in life, is a Lakota Sioux! She taught me everything about her life on the Rez and her people... Along w the crap they endured, growing up. So, content like this, will always be supported by me! Thank you!
There's a line from star trek, a show that's always led racial and sexual representation. "Infinite diversity in infinite combinations". We have plenty of white, western, straight characters. We don't need less or it's wrong or bad. It's just nice to have a character you can see yourself in, whoever you are, or however you can compare yourself to them. People are different and weird, make characters that are different and weird.
Dude if your Indian and your being proud of having an Indian character in a game like Siege, you need to find a new hobby.
@@XCVBNMC no, I'm saying you have pride in who you are, and it's nice to see people like you in the media you consume. I doubt any Sioux people are gonna start playing R6 off of this. But the ones who already do might enjoy it. I know as a Slavic jew I like playing Slavic and Jewish character.
@@Yourantsally but it's a competitive shooter. It's one thing if the characters lore had actual matter in the story but they don't. Sieges lore is just filler for those who like to read. I highly doubt anyone who plays this game picks their character based on the lore.
@@XCVBNMC plenty people do. Would you rather siege just be a bunch of nameless, faceless dudes in full tactical gear and face masks?
@@Yourantsally you do realize plenty of tactical shooters are like that right and people play them more than do with siege now compared to what siege was when it was just codenames and facemasks.
I really liked When Activision added Talon to Modern Warfare. The dude uses hardass quips like ''Live on the land, die on the land'' and ''Join your ancestors''. And a lot of other voice lines he uses seems to pay tribute to his first nation heritage.
As far as I'm aware, when he was added to the game, no one started whining about it. No dumbshit said about his facepaint.
Its says a lot when the CoD community is more tolerable (in both directions) than Sieges.
I only watched her preview teaser trailer, but knew right away she was going to be native american, I mean thunderbird? The thunderbird(to the sioux at least) Was a great protector of humans. So a air medic named thunderbird was a little on the nose. While I'm not nakoda(Lakotan sioux from my father) I thinks its pretty cool to see her.
I love hearing about the relatives of youtubers who knew alot, and use that experience to add onto whatever a youtube talks about.
It adds some nuance and even genuineity to it all. Face full of eyes also referred to his grandparents, his grandfather who was a world war 2 vet, and how he used the stories he learned to talk about the literal darkness of the war.
Its nice to see the relatives\older generations still being referenced.
Isn’t it kind of funny that acknowledging the humanity and cultural nuances of someone instantly makes you an SJW 🤔
The society nowadays has been significantly polarized.
@@danangputratiarno5028 buddy, we had to deal with being owned as property not seen as humans by our “masters” but instead as living machines that would die in anywhere from 3-10 years depending on what plantation you were on. Granted “freedom” but were still enslaved through share cropping because we could only sell to our former “master’s” who’s land we were on. Apartheid throughout reconstruction and Jim Crow, fighting to no longer be second class citizens throughout the 1960s. Our heads were shaved, our languages banned, our religion banned, those who didn’t convert were burnt as heretics. Cultural genocide so effective that to this day our languages, writings and religion are lost to this day.
I don’t mean to come off as an ass but, when have we not been polarised? It’s nice that you’re noticing it now because it is affecting you but it has been affecting us for centuries. Look up the Tulsa race riots, that was pretty polarising. Look up sun down towns and realize that those places still exist. Oh maybe getting lynched for allegedly looking at a white woman could get your lynched, again pretty polarising.
@@andrescrespo2514 You completely misunderstood what he was saying but go off lol
This is a nice video, and you're a nice man, Greg. You make some good points, and this coming from a guy who doesn't pay much attention to the character background affecting affecting his gameplay and plays everything regardless and continues to enjoy Kali despite her having minuscule resemblance to Indians.
I have to point out that, as much as I'd like agree with you that your feelings aren't in this video, I could see a gradual increase in your emotional expression after the part where you told us about your fathers stories. That emotion seemed to reach its peak when talking about the tattoos and Thanos relevance. Which is perfectly fine. It's nice to see people associating with fictional characters and advocating for them against stereotyping and generalisation. I often associate myself with jäger and oppose any idiot thinking that jäger has autism just because he's not the best at picking up social cues.
I agree with all you've said. Good video, great points, and our community really need to get mature. We've been riding stale jokes and stereotyping for far too long. About time we grew up.
P.s. I'm no American, but I think your pops was a good man and made sure you knew your history well. One salute for him and you from this random Indian on the internet.
Gregor with the top notch takes as always. Love seeing this stuff man.
im glad you made this video because this encompasses my feelings exactly and it sometimes feels like people have a problem with me for not swinging to either extreme of the argument immediately
I loved when they added Goyo, my only complain is that he hasn't more spanish lines and doesn't say Taco Tequila.
But i liked that he saids phrases from Octavio Paz´s poem
character from foreign culture dropping random lines in said language always sounds so retarded
@@skotomogilnik6305 VITÓRIA SOBRE A MORTE É A NOSSA GLÓRIA PROMETIDA!
@@skotomogilnik6305 Im not asking him talking in spanish all the time, but like Caveira talks while doing an interrogation or Vigil while using his power.
@@Parzival_V well yeah thats what i was talking about. noone ever does it irl and when a videogame character slip their language into speech for no particular reason it just sounds dumb
@@skotomogilnik6305 I mean, depends on how you do it. In the case of Vigil for example, he's usually talking to himself or muttering under his breath. Isn't that pretty believable that he'd do that in a language he's most comfortable in?
Lines that teammates are meant to hear from him are usually in English (i.e. 'Shell out' for when he throws an impact. Most of his Korean lines are things he just sort of thinks aloud to himself.)
I'm sorry for your loss Gregor. Your father seems like a great man.
This is the kind of discussion I like to hear! Keep it up Greg!
9:07 the flash never goes off
I feel like thunderbird and Jäger would have hour long conversations about helicopters
I was curious about the tat and was about to google it while watching this video, but it was nice to get it explained here. I do think the design for her tattoo is a little minimalistic and could probably have been made more intricate to really flex some of the designs the natives came up with.
R6 is a great game to see a bunch of lesser known nationalities pop up, because it's bare minimum "neat" that you're reminded "oh yeah, Lithuania does exist, I wonder what it's like." It shows stuff you aren't as used to seeing so it's novel at worst and super cool at best. It usually doesn't try to do anything weird with how it presents the operators and just shows them off as is instead of doing stuff like "this person is from china, china bad" or "this person fight in Iraq, he good".
Hey man big fan of your channel and honestly, when I heard the character that was going to be added was from Canada and an aboriginal, I kinda just got like happy. You don’t see characters that are aboriginals that often in media and normally when you do its some stereotype that normally isn’t true. So Idk having a character I can relate to in the game just feels nice. Idk and cool video tell your dad he’s fuckin cool
As a Canadian, I'm incredibly happy she was added, especially in light of recent events in Canada. I personally love her chin tattoo, and I think it's a really awesome addition to a character design. I think that the only thing that makes me kinda hesitate on it is that, and I know it sounds silly in light of all the incredible unrealistic things about Siege, but as a pilot in the RCAF, she just wouldnt be allowed to have that tattoo? If the dress policy for the RCAF has recently made an addendum to tattoos, especially regarding Native and First Nations members, please let me know, as I know they have some exceptions to the policy, but just like her eyebrow piercing, it wouldnt be allowed.
As I said, in the context of the game I have no problem with it, and she seems like a cool operator with a wonderful design, it's just a detail that sticks out to me because I grew up in a military, and specifically RCAF pilot family.
Good on Ubi for adding her though and repping one of the most underrated airforces in the world :)
The next series on the Gregor channel is Papa Gregorchad explaining Native American history.
I only think her weapon kit for most part does not make sense. However getting "certain" canadian assault rifle on defense would have been quite broken
I’m glad you brought this up. As a Peter Ballantine Cree from Canada I’m glad that aboriginal people are being represented in video games. And I’m glad that you brought up the misinformation that the schools give.
the reason people have an issue with the tats isn't because 'they must hate natives', it's because they're face tats, and most people still think face tats look bad/weird.
I guess I do not really get it, Siege has added people from everywhere and all walks of life(as Greg mentioned) I could see a small portion of people getting upset or even a small portion of people making insensitive jokes. Assuming the number of people who will be upset or be insensitive will be small why frames that as the reason to talk about Ubi adding a Nakoda Op? It seems that rather than talking about how cool or interesting it is for Ubi to add a new op alone it gets framed as people have been hating on the new op for "X" reason. We saw this is Flores, where he was the first gay character to be added(I am not 100% on this statement) and rather than talking about how adding the Bomb-Ba to the game would change things it was people defending Flores being gay which has zero impact on the gameplay. Perhaps this is just me but I tend to apply a Stoic mentality to these sorts of things by asking the following. What do I have control over? My opinion on the new op and everything surrounding them. What do I not have control over? Other peoples opinions on the new op and everything surrounding them.
I agree, I'm Assiniboine (Nakoda) and I was absolutely surprised by Ubisoft adding a Nakoda operator!
when i heard about thunderbird i just thought it was kinda cool and then went about my day
"AS EVERYONE SHOULD'VE DONE." Go on with their day after learning something very cool, instead doing what folks do today and READING INTO IT
Same reaction I had with that and when they announced that Flores is gay. Like oh cool -- hopefully their kit is good.
To your point, I’ve been playing siege for 4 years and when I saw their were gonna ad an op from Mexico I popped off. that little bit of representation made my day, and it will make the day of others when new ops from different background/countries come in for everyone
It isn’t even just 13 year olds making these jokes, I’ve seen mf TH-camrs cracking these same dumbass jokes, and are likely the reason so many damn 13 year olds are repeating it. VG is a prime example, dude genuinely hated the design and took cracks at it without even understanding what the markings on her face mean
Dude people are here to play a game, not learn Native American culture and why we shouldn't make fun of it. Bandit was an undercover cop who had to get his hands dirty but people still meme about him being a drug addict even after all the facts were presented. I don't see why we can make fun of literally all the other ops except the Indian cause apparently chin tattoos are part of their culture.
@@XCVBNMC i don't think doing drugs is an integral part of German culture pal
@@XCVBNMC you can make jokes, just don’t be weird and insensitive. Saying thanos chin over and over becomes less funny and more prejudicially charged the more you say it. If you’re gonna make jokes about something then you should at least know what the fuck you’re talking about, right?
@@LumaPairing so, If I know about the markings then I can make thanos jokes again and again? I just want to know if I can make thanos jokes again because of her chin.
It's probably better if I ignore this thing since I like dumb and unfunny jokes
I mean, VG just doesn’t give a shit about the writing. Him cracking jokes is nothing new considering he will probably never care. It sucks but like who’s to say he wants to learn the culture of real operations or police work?
hey greg. been watching your gids since the og every op video came out, ill be honest i dont watch as much anymore because i quit playing siege but i still get recommended your vids and watch just to see what you and the rest of the community are up to. i just wanted to say i really enjoyed this video and if there are any topics similar to it (inside or outside of gaming) that youd like to make a video about i think you should do it.
Ubi’s handling of adding in persons of cultures in Siege has been ANYTHING but SJW tokenism. If anything, I’d say it’s the near perfect industry standard for how to do it. For fucks sake, we ha e a literal “Found God” character in Lion. No one the time and effort to argue with got their panties in a twist over Ubi painting religion in the positive light it can have on people’s lives. Thunderbird is perfectly fine as a character in the lineup. Anyone who says this is forced has to understand that it’d get boring if all the new operators where coming from the big four of the GSG, Spetznaz, FBI, and GIGN. Hell, Oryx was a novel idea, an unaffiliated operator with actual hard prison time.
Trust me the rainbow community will complain about every little crumb they can. The amount of people I saw complain that Oryx shouldn’t be in rainbow because he was in prison was insane.... like apparently if you go to prison you can’t be anything else other than a prisoner. Wait till they find out over 15 percent of convicts seek for work in the justice department......
Except Thunderbird literally sounds like a whites woman when she speaks English... and I’m willing to bet Ubisoft just looked up translations and has a white voice actress try to imitate Nakoda translation
@@Alecfisher01 Well nice subtle racism....because the voice actress is literally a Nakota and Assiniboine.....so yeah. “Sounding like a white women” can’t be farther from the truth.
Except when you have characters like Amaru and Iana, then that's a problem.
Good video. Despite being a bleeding heart libtard myself Gregor I largely agree. Policing humor should not be a regular thing, though I think we all realize there has to be a limit on that to some extent. Racism is still very much a thing, but many people seem to go hunting for it and let's be honest with ourselves, many don't put in the time or effort to research and determine if something actually fits the definition of racism or is just something they personally view as offensive.
South Park is a great example you used and I'm glad you did. One thing that I think is striking about South Park is that they literally make fun of everyone, and they aren't afraid to go far with it. They roast and take digs at pretty much every group imaginable. And that's why I feel confident that racism, sexism, other-isms, is not their intent. And while intent is not everything, there is a lot of importance that can be found in both habit and intent.
Personal example: A friend of a friend used to hang out with a shared group of friends we had a few years back. We could hang out, get food, all that normal stuff. Over time I started noticing that he would make racial jokes. Those jokes, while I didn't think them funny, first seemed harmless to me. They always came across specifically as attempts at jokes, and that was it. However, I noticed over time as I got to know him a bit more, that his jokes were very one-note. He made a lot of jokes specifically about minorities and a LOT of jokes specifically about minorities working low wage jobs. To the point that I started realizing that he didn't make many jokes outside of this, especially when we were in a resturant. He really enjoyed making comments about a waitress right after she walked away. Some people at the table would laugh, others like me just ignored it.
One day I decided to mention this to the shared friend who pretty much always burst out laughing at these jokes. I said "You ever notice how *friend* seems to always make jokes about minorities and not only doesn't make jokes about white people but won't laugh or respond when people make them." At the time my friend who came from a conservatives household but saw himself as apolitical, got very defensive and pretty much just said that I'm reading too much into it. But over time I noticed that he stopped laughing at the jokes as much, until he was nearly as silent as me.
Then one day it happened. My friend confronted his friend about the jokes while we were at a resturant, right after the guy made a joke. He did it in pretty much the same way I brought it up. We then saw the joke telling guy turn as though a switch went off in his head. He got serious and angry. He then proceeded to go on a quiet tirade against minorities. He insisted that people of color make bad waitresses and servers because they don't care about doing a good job, and that they are basically lazy, selfish, and after a quick buck. He said something alone the lines of "I'm sure there's a job that those people can be good at but I don't know what it is." He even mentioned that he is oppressed and unable to share these views which he knows are right. The group was largely white and conservative leaning unlike myself, but at that moment it clicked in everyone's minds. *Oh shit this guys like a legit racist, he's been telling these jokes because he saw it as a socially appropriate way to express his problematic views.*
After that, the guy who used to organize those occasional dinners, invited people without inviting that guy. This despite the fact that they had been very close friends for years. Even he felt really uncomfortable with what happened, and the people who laughed all the time admitted that they felt a bit guilty for encouraging the behavior. We even later found out that a young waitress who was working her way through school at a diner, heard some of the shit that he used to say, and literally went into the back to cry once.
I know this story goes a little off topic, but I think it's legit important to remember that racism, sexism, and things along those lines, they are real, they do exist. A joke or comment doesn't necessarily mean anything in relation to racism, but we should be wary and keep an eye out for the real deal. Because there tends to be signs over time if someone or something is just a joke or if it is actually problematic. I know that liberals can be ridiculous and push things too far, but this online anti-SJW push back can be pretty damn bad itself when it is willing to ignore real problems when they present themselves. Jokes do not equal racism, but jokes can in fact be used as a tool in an attempt to express unpopular views.
isn't it strange that the "anti-sjw" became the new "sjw"?
Always has been
This isn’t anywhere close to SJW
@@Alecfisher01 I think the point was more that people who oppose obnoxiously vocal sjws are themselves obnoxiously vocal
Being a general long time supporter of the Gregor-brand take on modern politics and sociology-via-video games, it really is no surprise to get some lore about Papa Havenner and learn how much he instilled a sense of desire for cultural understanding and empathy that you built upon throughout your own adult life. Legends raising legends. Killer vid as always.
Still can’t believe Gridlock is one of Australia’s finest
Maybe she’s not, and the SASR just wanted her out of the way. Perhaps literally lmao
@@pcarrierorange Idk how she got in there in the first place lol
@@Anubis_YT her thighs bro. Could shatter bricks and bones with ease. Me and my friends call her thunder thighs.
The last game I played that did this for me was Battlefield One: I learned more about WW1 simply by playing the game and reading loading hints than I did in high school and I thought that was badass.
And if I’m being honest? The lore videos about Siege give me something of a Star Trek vibe even if the story is as simple as people coming together in spite of and even learning to celebrate their differences to accomplish great things? I think stories like that will always be important.
Absolutely bf1 taught me about ww1 or at least some of it. I was fascinated with WW1 And some of the conflicts. I didn't even know about battles like the Somme of Pashendalle. Along with most of the Italian front. I really hope the nail the Irish operator as an Irish person myself they could go with many routes in regards religion, ethnicity, and other things.
I agree with 90% of your points but arent jokes subjective?
The joke isnt funny but it isnt that bad
If it's subjective, he can think it's bad. And some jokes ARE more universal than others: it's a balance between being candid and being mindful of your audience
I think Thunderbirds design is considered boring because it's so normal and realistic compared to the wacky crazy operators we have these days. If she was released alongside book and Blackbeard nobody would bat an eye
I gotta admit you changed my mind. I didn’t exactly like thunderbirds design, really it was just the helmet and my only opinion about the chin was literally “you don’t see that everyday.” And I was also one of the few people back before I got out of politics was that Ubisoft was making all sorts of representation because otherwise they would get canceled on Twitter but then one night when I was reading lore and saw that Flores has a husband. This at the time threw me off because I was so used to overlyflamboyant gay characters or characters that the video game company shoved in your face that he was gay *cough cough* EA. All I remember thinking to myself when reading that Flores was gay, I was kind of happy because Ubisoft gave representation to the lgbt community and didn’t shove it everyone’s faces or make it obvious. And since then I’m perfectly fine with Ubisoft adding operators of different color and sexuality but I don’t think they should go down the road that EA went with Gibraltar.
I think Ubi deserves praise where it's due, representing different groups of people can be really cool and doing it so well with really cool and interesting characters is to be commended. Flores is a pretty cool character, and him being a gay man is a part of who he is, sure, but it isn't ALL of who he is. I dunno, I agree, I think it was pretty well done. The recent turn they've had in character writing has been pretty solid. Super agreed, things like the chin tattoos show Thunderbird's unique and personal background while being still pretty grounded in the world of the lore.
I hope they can keep on this sort of track or tone because it's pretty good!
@@sithguy20awesome this
I mean EA back in mass effect 2 days removed gay romances due to media pressure so idk whyyou think of them as as shoving sexuality down peoples throats.
I didnt even know gibraltar was gay before reading his lore so again idk why hes a bad exemple.
Your name and profile do not match with what you said.
@@swemn8062 because of the comic they released which basically said the entire reason he protects people is because he’s gay. Just because someone is gay doesn’t mean that it has be a major part of who they are as a person. Like Flores he didn’t become a thief because of his husband he became a thief to give back to his community and to take care of his mother.
This was awesome. My respect for you and your content has grown by a mile from this. I was always attracted to siege BECAUSE it was unafraid to show diversity, to show all of these different ideologies working together. Sure, the writing has gotten a little off-beat. But as someone who did once care about the lore, this is in fact very cool to see and comprehend. I also really liked your explanation of South Park/K&P/Boondocks, because it really does seem like a lot of people miss the point of the satire.
Very good video.
I love the fact that Greg is self aware enough to point out the fact that just because his openly discussing his own opinions on siege’s diversity roster, he’ll be called a SJW.
What does “SJW” mean? Ik I can google it but I’m to lazy
@@castiel2917 Social Justice Warrior, tbh the word kinda lost any and all meaning at this point anyway
@@castiel2917 It used to be a positive label for activists but now the Internet right-wing so it is suddenly hugely derogatory to activists.
You did not miss at all with this video. You put everything forward in just an amazing way man you should have millions more watch this video. Just great job man
Love your videos. The new format is dope as well
Well, as a scandinavian i dont like that they took gods from our culture and made the into marvel heros but idk
Fair
Thanks Gregor for this great video! As a Tlingit person of the Thunderbird clan, I was so happy to hear that siege was finally getting a native operator, especially one with the nickname Thunderbird.
Imagine the terrible jokes if Ubisoft adds a Muslim operator 🤦🏽♂️
I don't think their religious beliefs are ever explicitly mentioned, but Fuze, Alibi, Nomad, Kaid and Oryx come from nations with a majority Muslim population, and Jackal is of presumed Moroccan descent. Yet nobody seems to clown on them for being potentially Muslim, similarly Ash is Israeli and is confirmed to be Jewish, yet from what I've seen people don't really make jokes about that either.
They already have their names are Kaid, nomad, and oryx
Bi-Racial Native here, I lived with the black part of my family in the south most of my life, so I never was exposed to things like living on a reservation, although I was always taught about the heritage and history. I appreciate that Ubisoft incorporated a character like Thunderbird into the game. Honestly, jokes like the Thanos thing and hell the Travis Scott looking like a bacteria are just played out and annoying, but you just, unfortunately, have to deal with it. Some people are just ignorant of cultural differences and shit on other cultures because they have no clear understanding of that culture. Hell, some people go their entire life never even so much as seeing a person of different ethnicity, so their views just come from the stereotypes that they see. Great video, as usual! Also, love the Bill Wurtz joke!
Miss the old intro
I completely forgot about it
Everytime Gregor uploads i remember the music of the it
Very well said. Any reasonable person can understand when a joke is funny and when it's just to be obnoxious and I think you explained that incredibly well.
Operator diversity should be actively sought out. The whole point of the game is that each operator is from a different part of the world working for a different government.
Candian Cree here, very grateful for people like your dad Gregor and even more grateful you decided to share it with everyone else.
Well knowing how toxic this community is I’m not surprised.
Also that bug were the flash grenade icon sticks forever is annoying
This kind of content of yours is even more interesting than Siege videos - not saying they are bad (they are good in fact) but these small educational videos that you make on occasion fit you even better than a videogame stuff, in my humble opinion. Besides, it was simply interesting to watch, so thanks for the video Greg, keep it up!
The only point that you're wrong on is she does favor Thanos. At least objectively she favors Thanos more than any other operator. You're going to have to take that one on the chin